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Inventory2

So who is the “very high-profile” Pararemoremo resident that got topped overnight?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/02/guess-who.html
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February 5, 2009 8:11am
big bruv

“So who is the “very high-profile” Pararemoremo resident that got topped overnight?”

Good Question IV2, the next ones should be “lets hope the Police do not find out who killed him” and “can the Curtis brothers take the place of this dead low life”
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February 5, 2009 8:27am
wreck1080

antonie dixon is dead!!
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February 5, 2009 8:53am
Inventory2

Correct wreck – it is indeed Dixon, and the police are “not lloking for anyone else” – which means either that he topped himself, of the police have better things to do with their time than kind the killer amongst a prison full of killers.
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February 5, 2009 8:57am
wreck1080

The CEO of transpower should resign.

He is responsible for the Auckland power cut. His 800,000 dollar salary says so.

I cannot believe they took out a transformer for maintenance knowing a failure in one of the remaining transformers would cause massive power cuts.
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February 5, 2009 9:06am
kiwipolemicist

On a lighter note.

My prize for Blooper Of The Week goes to the fireman who started a fire in a fire station – they sent ten trucks to deal with it 😆 . Here’s a photo of the fireman : 😳

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/ooooops-fireman-starts-fire-in-fire-station/
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February 5, 2009 9:20am
Murray

Shameless linkwhoring becasue this is cool http://www.youtube.com/user/ImaginosFilms
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February 5, 2009 9:24am
llew

Way cool, Murray.
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February 5, 2009 9:29am
LUCY

antonie dixon is dead. Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
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February 5, 2009 9:35am
dime

did i hear this on the news this morning..

Labour Finance spokesman calling for Aprils tax cuts to be canned? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA eat shit labour

Dime’s gonna spend his tax cut in a way that will increase his global footprint 🙂

stopping tax cuts – was that the 1st part of the mini budget?
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February 5, 2009 9:43am
pdm

wreck 1080 said: `The CEO of Transpower shoul;d resign’.

John Banks made it pretty clear that is his view as well on Close Up last night. He gave the CEO a real serve at the end of his interview.
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February 5, 2009 9:47am
dime

as for dixon.. in a past life, i knew the lowlife, criminal brother of renee.. apparently she still loved dixon after the attack and has Dixon’s name tattood on her stump..
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February 5, 2009 9:52am
PhilBest

Murray, were you ever a member of Alf’s Imperial Army?
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February 5, 2009 10:03am
greenfly

Who said:
“Look as a minister I can’t recommend breaking the law, but I believe he should.”
Clue: He has no.
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February 5, 2009 10:06am
kiwipolemicist

If Antonie Dixon has killed himself I am not surprised because I have a friend who knew him and he was a narcissistic (self centred & arrogant) personality. Suicide is an act of selfishness/narcissism.

E.g. people who throw themselves in front of trains want an easy out and have no consideration for the train driver, the train manager who has to check if help can be given, and the people who have to pick up the pieces.

(No offence to anyone is intended, I’m simply calling a spade a spade. I have known many people who are depressed and/or suicidal)

http://www.kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com
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February 5, 2009 10:09am
bharmer

# wreck1080 (261) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
February 5th, 2009 at 9:06 am

“The CEO of transpower should resign. He is responsible for the Auckland power cut. His 800,000 dollar salary says so.

I cannot believe they took out a transformer for maintenance knowing a failure in one of the remaining transformers would cause massive power cuts.”

If I understood, they only had three to begin with. They are around 38 years old (within an expected service life of 50 years). If one had failed because appropriate maintenance had not been done, then what would you have said?
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February 5, 2009 10:20am
Banana Llama

Bharmer i thought we were going to be outsourcing the CEO positions to India and the Philippines in an effort to cut costs and increase customer satisfaction, so there is no need for him to resign.
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February 5, 2009 10:23am
kiwipolemicist

If Antonie Dixon has committed suicide I am not surprised: I have a friend who knew him and Dixon is/was narcissistic (a narcissistic person places their own needs and wants above those of everyone else). Suicide is an extreme form of narcissism.

E.g. someone who throws themself in front of a train wants an easy out out and is not considering the train driver, the train mananger who has to check if help can be given, the people who have to pick up the pieces, and the many passengers whose trip is disrupted.

(No offence to anyone is intended, I’m just calling a spade a spade. I have known many people who are depressed and/or suicidal: self-centredness is the universal characteristic of psychogenic mental illness)

http://www.kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com
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February 5, 2009 10:32am
Murray

No.

I’m mine.
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February 5, 2009 10:35am
LUCY

Hows this for stupidity from the Telegraph.

“Liberal Democrat councillor Colin Rosenstiel stopped the vehicle as crews tried to reach an injured person at a summer festival on common land in Cambridge.

Mr Rosenstiel rode his bicycle into the path of the ambulance, blocking the entrance, and refused to budge because he claimed cars were not allowed on the grass.

The emergency crew eventually manoeuvred around him but, on leaving the ground, after they had treated the patient, he allegedly blocked their exit again by locking the gate.”
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February 5, 2009 10:42am
kiwipolemicist

Sorry about the double post: the first one didn’t go up so I waited a while then reposted.
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February 5, 2009 10:47am
side show bob

Murray one of my bulls has died, where can one hire one of these contraptions?, do you know of any coming Liarbore conferences?
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February 5, 2009 10:53am
adamsmith1922

I know many people will probably disagree with me, but I think Rodney Hide made a mistake in his comments regarding the Christchurch businessman and the building permit issue

http://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2009/02/05/13135/

If he wants to rectify the position he should do his job as Local Government Minister. He is grandstanding just like Winston used to do and should be reined in

[DPF: I agree no Minister should ever advocate breaking the law]
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February 5, 2009 11:03am
Murray

Email me bob, we’ll talk.
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February 5, 2009 11:10am
Tauhei Notts

Rodney Hide’s comments reminded me of an important Irish rugby player who spoke to the referee like so;
Player; Would you send me from the field if I called you a cunt?
Referee; Most certainly. I would never ever tolerate such language.
Player; Would you send me from the field if I thought you were a cunt?
Referee; Well I cannot control your thoughts, so you would be able to play on.
Player; Mr Referee, I think you are a cunt.
The player got away with it. Rodney Hide did not recommend breaking the law; he merely commented upon the matter.
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February 5, 2009 11:13am
adamsmith1922

Rodney was not the player he is the referee. He is no longer an opposition gadfly, but a Minister and to the majority his comments will be seen as advocating breaking the law.

He does not deserve to be given a pass on this. otherwise we are back to the days of Helen and Winston.
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February 5, 2009 11:17am
grumpyoldhori

Dinner with a terrorist.
Damn that Palin is a giggle, spends weeks saying what a terrorist Obama is then goes running to a dinner with him.
A conservative, damn you will notice that the yanks who call themselves true conservatives come from poor states and they expect charity via Washington from the wealthy liberal states.

[DPF: When did she call him a terrorist? She called a couple of his his pals terrorist]
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February 5, 2009 11:36am
wikiriwhis business

“Damn that Palin is a giggle, spends weeks saying what a terrorist Obama is then goes running to a dinner with him.”

Awaiting the Baiter on this one.!!
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February 5, 2009 11:42am
wreck1080

Bharmer…
If I understood, they only had three to begin with. They are around 38 years old (within an expected service life of 50 years). If one had failed because appropriate maintenance had not been done, then what would you have said?

I would say he should resign.

The fact is , they do not have enough transformers to run NZ’s largest city. Maintenance is expected activity and redundant systems should cope with failure during planned maintenance.
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February 5, 2009 11:43am
greenfly

Tauhei – you’ve tied yourself into a fine knot defending the indefensible. Hide’s comments were stupid and show a double standard. Makes his other pronouncements look suspect at the same time.
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February 5, 2009 11:57am
Redbaiter

“Awaiting the Baiter on this one.!!”

GOH is a racist and an obvious troll. I’ve got better things to do than respond to his worthless one dimensional shit.
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February 5, 2009 12:14pm
insider

wreck/bharmer

This report says transformer life is 60 years with early failure not expected till 55 years.

http://www.gridnewzealand.co.nz/f1961,3763477/3763477_transpower-dupont-report-09-sep-2008.pdf

It seems to me highly probable that this failure is human induced. It’s not surprising it happened when there was work on site. What is surprising is that a failure led to a power cut. That should not happen as they should have been working at n-1, meaning the loss of one asset would not interfere with supply. This should apply during maintenance as well. In other words they shoudl have got by on one transformer.

And all this ‘let’s chuck more money at transpower’, well isn’t there the risk that we are rewarding failure a bit like bailing out failed banks? Shouldn’t we find out what caused the problem first?
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February 5, 2009 12:42pm
getstaffed

Protester manhandles John Key at Waitangi
BREAKING NEWS: Prime Minister John Key has been manhandled by a protester moments before he was due to be welcomed on to Ti Tii Marae.

A lone protester rushed towards Key yelling ‘the movement is still alive’.

The protester was dragged away by bystanders.

Mr Key appeared unruffled by the event and moments later was welcomed on to the Marae.

Witnesses said the protester ‘manhandled’ Mr Key before being dragged away.

Speaking to Stuff.co.nz, the protester, while under police guard, said: “The Maori party ain’t going to help us, without protest we wouldn’t have reo, without protest we wouldn’t have kura kaupapa.”

About ten minutes before Mr Key’s arrival five undercover police officers were busted by Marae staff for posing as tourists, and then when confronted, suggesting they were part of the media.

When Marae staff members attempted to confiscate a camera being carried by one of the female officers, the police were forced to reveal their true identities.

It is understood the Marae had requested that police did not to come on to the grounds.

1. Why was he dragged away by bystanders? Where were the DPS?
2. Why would the Marae request that police should not come onto the grounds?
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February 5, 2009 12:45pm
greenfly

“”I may be a lot of things but I’m not a quitter,”
What things John…what things??
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February 5, 2009 12:56pm
Murray

Anyone else dumped grumpyoldhori in their can’t be arsed reading his drivel basket along with phil, chronic and mynameisjerk?
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February 5, 2009 12:58pm
Banana Llama

Well yet another Waitangi day marred by Violence, honestly who is surprised by this, every year we get the same excuse that it is the fault of the white mans ancestors and that the Maori have a right to assault our elected Officials, every year i wonder when will we get up off our hind legs and start acting like free men instead of guilt ridden cowards.
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February 5, 2009 1:05pm
Brian Smaller

I just got back from the Wellington 7s parade. I was a little disappointed in the crowd. Not as vocal as last year. Also there were not enough scantily clad women dancing in between team floats.
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February 5, 2009 2:30pm
PhilBest

Some amazing insights in a Wall Street Journal Article: “Washington Could Use Less Keynes and More Hayek” by Dick Armey

“…..one particular convenience for policy makers. Government spending is, according to Keynes’s construct, a key component in determining aggregate demand, so more spending, even to resod the Capitol Mall or distribute free contraception, drives the economy in the short run.

A father of public choice economics, Nobel laureate James Buchanan, argues that the great flaw in Keynesianism is that it ignores the obvious, self-interested incentives of government actors implementing fiscal policy and creates intellectual cover for what would otherwise be viewed as self-serving and irresponsible behavior by politicians. It is also very difficult to turn off the spigot in better economic times, and Keynes blithely ignored the long-term effects of financing an expanded deficit.

It’s clear why Keynes’s popularity endures in Congress. Intellectual cover for a spending spree will always be appreciated there. But it’s harder to see any justification for the perverse form of fiscal child abuse that heaps massive debts on future generations.

Today, one problem with manipulating the economy through “discretionary” spending — that part of the budget not mandated by one entitlement or another — is that entitlements have grown large enough to influence the economy, a phenomenon unheard of when Keynes was alive. Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and other entitlements are becoming larger factors in economic decision making than what Congress spends on, say, roads. Discretionary spending is becoming irrelevant as a fiscal tool……”

Read it all:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123371237124446245.html?mod=djemEditorialPage
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February 5, 2009 3:15pm
PhilBest

That is one hugely important point: since Keynes’ day, government spending on entitlements has become so big that discretionary spending is dwarfed by it. One could wonder, if government spending really worked as an economic stimulus, the fact that over the decades we have had more and more of it, why economic growth rates have gone down rather than up…..eh? And if we’ve already got government spending in normal times, of a greater level than Keynes would have been envisaging as the solution to a crisis, perhaps we need to re-look at the validity of his ideas to the modern day situation?
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February 5, 2009 3:20pm
PhilBest

Murray, Redbaiter; GrumpyOldHori is not at all in the same basket as philu and mynameisjack and all those other lefty trolls. He is actually on our side against those guys, on a lot of the issues that matter. I enjoy unearthing the occasional bit of good old fashioned common sense from him, like on the housing racket or chardonnay socialists or what welfare has done to Maori or how criminal justice could best be meted out.
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February 5, 2009 3:25pm
Owen McShane

Rodney Hide did not advocate breaking the law because it turns out the builder wasn’t breaking the law.
The Council has now conceded that their rules say one can add one shower without having to make it wheel chair accessible.
Only if you are adding more than one does the requirement kick in.
One can argue the logic but that is what their rule book says.

The builder was being screwed for daring to rape the Earth mother by using resources.
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February 5, 2009 5:06pm
wikiriwhis business

Maori are very fickle.

If it was not clearly understood that police weren’t permitted on the ground then I would surmise that was an on the spot outburst.

Isn’t Tii Tai a state marae anyway. Doubt police can be kept off which of course makes their covert surveillance all the more provocative. Which usually describes police actions.

The PM must also be thinking hard about the DPS. I would find their lack of presence unnerving in such a situation.

You won’t be the only one asking that q David.
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February 5, 2009 5:12pm
side show bob

Sorry Murray had to bury the bull, in this weather he would fall apart before we got him to the first conference.
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February 5, 2009 6:41pm
Bok

Reid challenged me on this thread here
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/02/the_popes_reinstated_holocaust_denying_bishop.html#comment-530870
And for some reason I cannot post there so I’ll do it here.
Reid in answer to both your statements
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/tvnz_reporting_from_gaza.html#comment-524625
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/tvnz_reporting_from_gaza.html#comment-524622
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/tvnz_reporting_from_gaza.html#comment-524616
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/tvnz_reporting_from_gaza.html#comment-524610
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/tvnz_reporting_from_gaza.html#comment-524321
Ah just read the whole thread and see you go from Fauning over Hamas.. “they are the only ones running clinnics. blah, not coorupt bl to here saying you never approved.

Wannabe knowalls like you piss me off. Do you go around telling girls or boys you hit on that you were a spy or something? Because the bullshit line you spin here is stunning. I dont know why I bothered but I did. In two minute in one thread I found multiple times that you did both of those above.

You see it is because of blowhards like you who think they have a clue that phyco killers like Che become cult heroes. Because you romanticize these killers as fighters for the rights of the people. They dont, they fight for power for those who controls them. If you have no balls to go and have a look for yourself then keep your cornflake box knowledge to yourself.
And I can be abusive because you were as you can see in the links provided (or the remainder of the thread.)
I was hoping for an apology but integrity like truth and facts is just that little bit out of your reach
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February 5, 2009 8:09pm
Redbaiter

See how tolerant “liberals” operate. Lying about Sarah palin, they’re challenged with the truth by Elizabeth Hasselbeck. Watch how they shout her down. These people are cowardly Stalinist style control freak scum, and they’re about in such numbers in the US and elsewhere, and they are attempting to control the public discourse and, as the video demonstrates, will combine to viciously attack anyone who confronts their bullshit.

http://tv.hollyscoop.com/elisabeth-hasselbeck/elisabeth-hasselbeck-stirs-the-palin-pot-again_1531.aspx
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February 6, 2009 9:41am
reid

Yes, I’ll just copy and paste my original reply to that post Bok and I’ll just note once again that you stilll have no banana. Oh dear.

P.S. When you put more than two links in a post Bok, WordPress in its infinite wisdom puts the post into moderation and DPF then releases it. Wish it wouldn’t but that’s why you apparently couldn’t post on the other thread – it’s up there now.

OK Bok, so you have said that all those threads are against Israel and the Jews.

Now, who is “Israel and the Jews?”

Are you perchance conflating the govt of Israel with the state of Israel?

Are you perchance conflating the interests of the Jewish people with the actions taken by the govt of Israel?

It really seems you are, for nothing in all of those posts you cite that were written by me (I haven’t even clicked on the others since I see no point since your comment is about what I said and nothing else), never ever ever ever ever ever ever condemns anything other than the govt of Israel.

None of your links ever cite a post from me supporting Hamas. None of your links cite a post from me condemning Jews or the people of Israel.

I am definitely against the current govt of Israel Bok. That’s because they act against the interests of the Jewish people. However you appear to have conflated the two concepts which are actually quite separate things.

Perhaps you might want to continue your research, although I can assure you that I have never ever ever said anything that criticizes the people of Israel nor shows support for Hamas, in anyway, whatsover. Unless of course you take the view that criticising the govt of Israel is de facto supporting Hamas, but such a view would be such a mistaken, juvenile and puerile approach that I could hardly credit it to a ten-year-old let alone someone like you Bok.

So no banana this time Bok. Maybe better luck next time. Keep trying though. Apparently, you need the practice.
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February 6, 2009 10:13am
vibenna

Given recent revelations, I’m calling the UN as being perilously close to being a belligerent on the side of Hamas.
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February 6, 2009 10:17am
big bruv

I have just found out that spotless catering are charging an extra $1.50 per SMALL bottle of beer at the 7’s today, the bastards are claiming it is a holiday surcharge.

That MIGHT be acceptable if the thieves were not charging $5.00 per SMALL bottle already.
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February 6, 2009 10:29am
billyborker

that’s the free market at work. Don’t you like the free market?

The answer is simple; don’t buy from Spotless, buy from thier competitor. There is a competitor, isn’t there?

I just love capitalism and its anti-competetive streak.
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February 6, 2009 10:45am
reid

Given recent revelations, I’m calling the UN as being perilously close to being a belligerent on the side of Hamas.

I’m not a huge fan of the UN however on this matter it is merely reflecting the widespread opinion that the solution to the ME is a little less belligerence. The Davos forum video featuring Erdogan (Pres of Turkey); Ban-ki-Moon, Shimon Peres and Arab League Secretary-General Amr Moussa, is well worth watching. Whaleoil’s take on it is really quite irrelevant, it’s worth suspending your prejudices and listening to everything every participant says with an open mind.

It really surprises me that some people continue to use partisan politics when looking at this issue. Such people cannot seem to comprehend that even if it’s the lefties who are advocating for a solution, that doesn’t make the solution automatically the wrong thing to do. Here’s an emotive quote from a lefty that logically and accurately summarises the human shields aspect. What he says is actually, in fact, true. Some conservatives cannot seem to bring themselves to see that. I find that very strange indeed.

Nearly seventy ago, in the course of World War II, a heinous crime was committed in the city of Leningrad. For more than a thousand days, a gang of extremists called “the Red Army” held the millions of the town’s inhabitants hostage and provoked retaliation from the German Wehrmacht from inside the population centers. The Germans had no alternative but to bomb and shell the population and to impose a total blockade, which caused the death of hundreds of thousands.

Some time before that, a similar crime was committed in England. The Churchill gang hid among the population of London, misusing the millions of citizens as a human shield. The Germans were compelled to send their Luftwaffe and reluctantly reduce the city to ruins. They called it the Blitz.

This is the description that would now appear in the history books — if the Germans had won the war.

Absurd? No more than the daily descriptions in our media, which are being repeated ad nauseam: the Hamas terrorists use the inhabitants of Gaza as “hostages” and exploit the women and children as “human shields”, they leave us no alternative but to carry out massive bombardments, in which, to our deep sorrow, thousands of women, children and unarmed men are killed and injured.
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