General Debate 22 February 2009

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dad4justice

Great to see police happy with the huge influx of boy racers in Christchurch this weekend.
To quote them “There were no major driving incidents and no large gatherings of boy racers conducting illegal activity”.

Forget the car crushing Judith C, what are you going to do with savage gang members running riot in North Island towns? Or should I ask Paula B. Same old crap from government and the gangs get stronger as the keystones get thicker.
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February 22, 2009 8:24am
bharmer

Enough activity to confiscate about 70 cars though?
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February 22, 2009 8:33am
dad4justice

67 for unpaid fines, meanwhile the Mongrel Mob and Black Power play lets swing the machete.
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February 22, 2009 8:35am
Michael E

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4856034a6160.html

Looks like the Greens have no options for a new co-leader when Jeanette quits.
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February 22, 2009 8:36am
big bruv

Oh please please let it be either Comrade Bradford or Comrade Delahunty.
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February 22, 2009 8:45am
pdm

Help please.

Can anyone tell me how to access electoral rolls on line? I have been to the election wbsite but cannot find them.

A link would be very helpful.
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February 22, 2009 8:51am
billyborker

FUCK! The earth just stood still. I agree with dad4justice.

If a fraction of the effort on boy racers was put in to gangs we may see some progress in crime reduction. The trouble is, gang tentacles reach everywhere, even in to the government.
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February 22, 2009 8:52am
barry

Oh – this green party thing is going to be really interesting.

Apparently Kedgley is interested – which leaves three fruitloops. Bradford, turei and Delahunty. Turei could just about be OK as shes the only one that seems to have a brain but she seems to have a radical agenda.
The other two can only described as true ‘Horse scarers’

I think the greens will choose someone who will REALLY be scary and that could be Delahunty.

As that guy on TV says – “lovely grubley”. I cant wait to see the shambles
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February 22, 2009 8:55am
Monty

Green Party co-leader Jeanette Fitzsimons is about to announce her resignation. Please make that loony Delahunty the co-leader – or if not her I will give anything for Bradford to be co-leader – hell I migght even join the Green Party to ensure she gets my vote.
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February 22, 2009 9:00am
Brian Smaller

It is not known if Catherine Delahunty, elected to parliament at last year’s general election, will be a candidate for the co-leadership. Her lack of parliamentary experience could count against her.

As will her being a complete moonbat.
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February 22, 2009 9:07am
Brian Smaller

billyborker (233) Vote: Add rating2 Subtract rating 0 Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:52 am

FUCK! The earth just stood still. I agree with dad4justice.

If a fraction of the effort on boy racers was put in to gangs we may see some progress in crime reduction. The trouble is, gang tentacles reach everywhere, even in to the governmen

I gave you positive karma borker. I never thought I would agree with you either.
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February 22, 2009 9:07am
peteremcc

The greens don’t just have a general image problem, they also have an age image problem – they’re all pretty old!
So I expect it will be Turia. We shall see, I guess.
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February 22, 2009 9:13am
oxymoron

pdm

there are no online or electronic electoral rolls in New Zealand. At least not any that are accessible to the general public. They are only available to registered political parties if I recall correctly.
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February 22, 2009 9:15am
cha

Lovely Jubbly
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February 22, 2009 9:19am
peteremcc

“As will her being a complete moonbat.”

It’s the green party, that will count in her favour.
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February 22, 2009 9:21am
Glutaemus Maximus

Moonbat.

Swamp Donkey.

Cosmic Star Twinkyland.

Delahunty has my vote. I would even listen to her singing all Night to get her into power.
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February 22, 2009 9:35am
Inventory2

On the “boy-racer” thing – here’s a bit of lateral thinking from Keeping Stock:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/02/lateral-thinking.html
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February 22, 2009 9:38am
pdm

Oxymoron – thanks – you have confirmed my thoughts so will trot down to the library tomorrow.
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February 22, 2009 9:42am
barry

Thanks CHA – lovely Jubbly it is.

I was sooooo excited about the prospects of the vote that I lost my self control for a few seconds there and just typed gobbledeegook…………
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February 22, 2009 9:46am
bringbackthebiff

hooray, Eric Brady’s basher has been brought to justice. Hope ends up in one of Crushers scungy prefab shitholes.

What utter utter filth
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February 22, 2009 9:49am
greenfly

Finlay MacDonald (Sunday Star Times)
“Nor will Judith Collins be the first minister of corrections to watch crowd-pleasing rhetoric and get-tough posturing run head on into the wall of brute reality.”
Yep. And now she’s saying she will crush the gangs in the prisons and in their state homes. She’s a slow learner, that one. But we love her tough talk, eh.
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February 22, 2009 9:57am
greenfly

Laws says Bennett should go. What’s up with the media this weekend? Where’s the love?
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February 22, 2009 10:00am
davidp

The Greens have the problem that all their MPs, ‘cept Norman and Turei, are in their late 50s or 60s. At the moment that appeals to young people who are reassured by being able to vote for politicians who resemble their grandparents. But young people are fickle and in a few years time they’re likely to want to vote for people who didn’t oppose the Vietnam war when they were at university. So it has to be Turei. But with the Greens selecting the elderly like Kennedy Graham and Catherine Delahunty as their new blood in parliament, then you can’t be sure.
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February 22, 2009 10:13am
slightlyrighty

What if Fitzsimons leaves parliament? Will have have another co-leader outside the house? or will up to 8 blokes have to stand aside on the list for the next woman to enter into parliament.

Turei is their best option as a co-leader, yet her profile on the Greens Website reads “The youngest of the Green MPs, Metiria was elected to Parliament in 2002 after a colourful career spanning resource management law, anarcho-feminist performance, political internship with the ALCP and the McGillicuddies and unemployed rights activism. “My personal political journey has led me to the reasonable conclusion that the present state has no legitimacy and that it must ultimately be transformed into a system which implements Te Tiriti o Waitangi.”

Yeah, she’ll do. 🙂
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February 22, 2009 10:41am
Barnsley Bill

Please let it be the singing idiot.
Rod Donald must be ripping his rainbow tanktop right now.
Photo of contenders here:
http://barnsleybill.blogspot.com/2009/02/fraggle-rock-or-greens-leadership.html
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February 22, 2009 10:43am
baxter

GREENFLY:……….Don’t worry about the Government. They are doing fine. We are all waiting with baited breath for your sage comment on which of Sue Bradford or Catherine Delahunty has the right credentials to be the next co leader of your party.
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February 22, 2009 12:02pm
Redbaiter

Here’s a comment from a poster called Ag (same as the one who posts on Kiwiblog? Could be, just as damned stupid) on a thread dealing with education at the Standard-

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They (Conservatives) have to establish their own universities and think tanks because the evil liberals persecute them. The number one reason that conservative ideas don’t get much show at university is that conservative ideas are often stupid and illogical. That’s not to say that stupid and illogical ideas don’t get aired at universities (see below), but that conservative ideas must be pretty awful to get such a feeble look in.

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This shallow fuckwit does not understand that schools and universities are bublic property and not places where ignorant halfd educated communist knuckle draggers can decide what is “stupid and illogical”, and teach our children accordingly.

See thread:

http://www.thestandard.org.nz/education-lesson-from-uk/#comment-118720

Just thought it needed a bit more exposure as a good example of the way these thick as a brick totalitarian scum think.
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February 22, 2009 12:25pm
s.russell

It seems that the Green Party is slowly but surely being taken over by the radical left. The number of true Greens in the party and Caucus – people whose first priority is environmental concerns – is dwindling. They are being replaced by people like Delahunty who The Alliance would have rejected as too extreme. If she or Bradford becomes co-leader it will become extremely difficult for them to maintain the green shell that attracts moderate types of voters. Will they realise this? Or will they drive left into the sunset and be incinerated in the electoral furnace?
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February 22, 2009 12:27pm
slightlyrighty

A true, centrist green party in NZ would be the death knell for the green party at this point.
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February 22, 2009 12:49pm
greenfly

BAXTER – why are you so hot for our women? You’ve got Tolley, Bennett and Collins – stick to your own!
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February 22, 2009 1:11pm
greenfly

SST – DESPITE YEARS of warnings about the perils of a poor diet, Kiwi shoppers are piling supermarket baskets high with soft drink, white bread and other unhealthy foods laden with sugar, salt and fat. And our favourite product of all is a 1.5-litre bottle of Coke.

Brilliant! Adults choose shit food, so there really is no need to moderate what kids at school can choose from! F*cken brillliant National. Take a bow Tolley!

[DPF: While Greenfly wants Sue Kedgley to decide for all of NZ what we can eat]
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February 22, 2009 3:02pm
billyborker

greenfly, that article was a typical beat up, and sucker you are, you fell for it.

The figures did not include any fruit and vegetabls UNLESS they were packaged. So, If I buy a lettuce, 2 kilos tomatos, 20 kiwifruit applaes, oranges and rhubarb, a loaf of bread and a bottle of coke all the figures record are the beard and coke.

Further, not all food is purcahsed at a supermarket. I buy my meat from a butcher and most of my fruit and veg from the local farmer’s stalls.

And you’re right, there is NO NEED to moderate what kids eat at school – they still eat most food at home, bought by thier parents.

Put your energies in to teaching kids how to cook.
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February 22, 2009 3:20pm
greenfly

billyborker – maybe so. You say,
“I buy my meat from a butcher and most of my fruit and veg from the local farmer’s stalls.”
Good on you, but do you think that is typical? I’m guessing you’re not a heavy Coke consumer either, but there sure is alot of that stuff going down someones’ throats, somewhere, tranforming the drinkers into a potential diabetics.
I’m no cook and couldn’t teach kids much about that, but am driving the biggest school vegetable garden in the country (I reckon).
DPF – Not at all. I think Anne Tolley is far better qualified to make a call like that, given her years and years of dedication to the cause of healthy eating 🙂
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February 22, 2009 3:59pm
billyborker

greenfly, this is just a beatup. Who cares how much coke someoone drinks, except for coke and its competitors? i don’t.

This whole bullfuckingshit of an “obesity epidemic” is driven by skinny people who don’t like looking at fat people. If it IS an epidemic, where are the bodies of fat people falling dead in the streets?

And yes, I DO drink coke, sometimes.

Life is fun, enjoy it!
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February 22, 2009 4:05pm
TimG_Oz

[DPF: [to reid] You think the Israeli Government sends out spies to desecrate Jewish graves, to attempt to deflect criticism of Israel? Fuck that is bonkers.]

Phew – thanks DPF. I was beginning to think it was just me
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February 22, 2009 4:06pm
billyborker

This id TOOOOO FUCKING FUNNY!

Maori pissed off about their “culture” being trashed.

As the men stumble out of a strip club (still clutching a blow-up sex doll), they perform a dance inspired by the Ka Mate haka.

Matiu Rei, a Ngati Toa spokesman, said yesterday: “That certainly isn’t an appropriate use of the haka. If it was just for effect and used in a gratuitous manner – which it sounds like it was – then I would be very disappointed. I’ll consult with my chiefs and we’ll see what they decide on what further action to take.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10558095

The sooner this stupid eye rolling, tongu popping salute to past barbarities is consigned to the dust bin of history, the sooner Maori can join the modern world and prosper.
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February 22, 2009 4:07pm
reid

Tim_Oz says (for details of previous comments leading up, see today’s Ralston thread):

Reid – do you really think it’s coincidental that whenever there is anti-Israel sentiment, for whatever reason, that attacks on Jews just happen?

Were you blind to the Neo-Nazi guy from Lower Hutt running around? Given the extra evidence I gave in the other blog about communications between Nazi groups and individual Jews, do you really believe this does not happen in NZ?

Do you have ANY evidence of Israeli secret service vandalising Jewish memorials or anything anywhere in the world? ANY? Or was it perhaps a plot by Zionists within New Zealand (i.e. the Jews).

If you are going to keep spouting conspiracy theories that insinuate allegations on things you HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT … then I’m sorry I am going to have to play the man as well as the ball.

Tim, I’m rather beginning to think it’s you who has no idea as to how Mossad operates. Either that or you’re just being completely disingenuous.

I deliberately phrased my comment surrounding what you’re talking about, in a rather precise way.

I did this so that a reader could make their choice based on how they believe the world works, vis-a-vis Israeli intelligence operations in foreign countries.

The only evidence that proves or disproves my observation is locked up in the files of the Mossad and the NZ Police and SIS. None of them are going to give you or I any new information and even if they did, would it be believable? So we’re left with making general observations based on our own individual understanding of how those agencies operate. I could equally ask you the same question: if it really was anti-semites who desecrated those graves, how come no arrests have to my knowledge, ever been made? The usual suspects after all, aren’t particularly well known for their cunning and intelligence. Fact is, neither you nor I have any evidence either way, so your argument that lack of evidence disproves my assumption in fact says nothing at all about it, either way.

Just to head a possible argument off at the pass, please note that it is pointless to allege that other Jewish grave desecrations are indeed done by genuine anti-semite idiots. That doesn’t rule out the possible usage of them as propaganda tools in particular circumstances.

That whole passport incident stank to high heaven, this is only one of the aspects about it that stinks. I’m looking forward to raising other aspects about it if we continue this discussion because it’s never really been debated here and it was one of the most disreputable things any nation has done to this nation, in a long long time.
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February 22, 2009 4:16pm
TimG_Oz

OK Reid, There’s probably no reason for me to reply as you have essentially given yourself enough rope … but lets go.

Firstly – Character reference. Apologies for playing the man, but it is important background information for anybody reading this. You are an anonymous poster here, who has referenced a number of conspiracies here previously, very few with substantial evidence other than books you read. You do not know any Jews, or have been to Israel, but you want to put yourself forward as “informed”. As a committed Christian, it appears that you are happy to make allegations over what you know nothing about – which I would have thought was a grave sin of bearing false witness. My role is now to substantiate the opinion, already put here, that you are in fact, bonkers. (Most people probably already think that).

Your allegation is a particularly hurtful one to the local Jewish community. It insinuates that they were either directly involved in crimes against their own families, or they were complicit (i.e. your statement “why did it all die so quickly”). I can tell you for a fact that the hurt has not gone away, that many of these people are still fearful and grieving. Many have left the country because of it.

There actually was a lot of evidence that points this crime towards local Neo-Nazis. This includes personal correspondence. The fact that evidence did not lead to a charge does not mean that there was no guilt. Surely, then charges could also have been laid towards others i.e. Jews or Zionists. DPF – I do not want to hijack your blog for legal reasons and allegations here. Nor do I want reprisals – which many Jews have genuine fear over. But it is well known that one “Neo Nazi” singled out a number of individual Jews in Wellington, and if you knew them personally, you would know their families graves were first in line for being smashed over. They also received “anonymous” e-mails with the same re-consecrated grave draped in a Nazi flag years later. Nice huh?

You then go on to place doubt EVERY ANTI-SEMITIC attack worldwide, as possibly self-inflicted. Again, why, other than your complete and utter ignorance. ESPECIALLY given that

Ultimately, Your opinion of Israel means nought in this argument. I am standing up for the Jewish community of New Zealand who has had enough kicking from undesirables and doesn’t need some wacko like you trying to double the hurt.

If you were any kind of rational or logical thinker, or even a decent human being, you would recognise the hurt an insult these kind of comments cause to innocent people in your own city.
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February 22, 2009 4:47pm
billyborker

Sorry Tim, but gotta agree with reid, even though he’s bonkers, as are all xtians.

The scum who abused NZ’s passports should be in jail, in NZ, for a very long time. I don’t care who they were, I don’t care what their motivation was, they are, quite simply, scum.

Reid’s observation that dessecration of jewish graves tends to happen at certain times and is rarely resolved with a conviction, is also on the money. You are right, it doesn’t prove that the dessecration was done by mossad and not the local nutters, but the timing does raise questions.

Your allegation is a particularly hurtful one to the local Jewish community. It insinuates that they were either directly involved in crimes against their own families, or they were complicit

Although I am sure reid can defend himself, this is bullshit, and not what reid said. Unless, that is, all jews are mossad.

Forget your faux outrage on behalf of a community that doesn’t even exist, and look at the world as it is.
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February 22, 2009 4:55pm
reid

If the Jewish people feel victimised inside NZ then I can’t help that, nor do I understand why they would feel like that if any of them read my comment.

As I said, if you draw the conclusion that I’m alleging Jewish people in NZ did that to their own graves, that’s a particularly stupid conclusion to draw. If you draw the conclusion that it’s possible the Mossad did it because that fits their modus operandi, then why is that upsetting for Jewish people in NZ?

You then go on to place doubt EVERY ANTI-SEMITIC attack worldwide, as possibly self-inflicted.

That’s your conclusion, Tim, not mine. I might add it’s a rather hysterical conclusion, as well.
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February 22, 2009 5:00pm
reid

even though he’s bonkers, as are all xtians.

Wot’s a xtian, billy?
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February 22, 2009 5:02pm
billyborker

Someone who believes that a resurrected Jewish god-man, who was his own father, will let you live forever in paradise — if you ritualistically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
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February 22, 2009 5:19pm
dad4justice

You are insane billy borker fugley!! I am disgusted that I live in the same land as such demented filth! Why do you hate God so much you creep? You are truly twisted.
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February 22, 2009 5:21pm
big bruv

“Why do you hate God so much you creep?”

How can you hate something that does not exist?
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February 22, 2009 5:25pm
billyborker

come on dad, I agreed with your earlier today, don’t go all shitty on me now.

I am sane, and have a stamp on the back of my hand to prove it.

If you don’t like living in NZ, then live somewhere that is more to your liking.

I do not hate god, as god does not exist and it is impossible to hate something that doesn’t exist.

I am not a creep, and would prefer you kept your insane mumblings to yourself.

Nor am I twisted, but the evidence here seems to prove you are.

Grow up and leave behind childish things, such as beliefs in pixies and fairies.
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February 22, 2009 5:28pm
dad4justice

Go away big blouse and do your knitting.

fugley – you make me ill.

Wonder if so tough face to face you keyboard cowards?

Stuff this place.
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February 22, 2009 5:28pm
Buggerlugs

jeez you bite like a bloody fish you silly bugger.
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February 22, 2009 5:45pm
billyborker

who’s fugley? I thought d4j was just commenting on my craggy, weather beaten Southern Mountain Man face.
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February 22, 2009 5:53pm
big bruv

Come on D4J, I have always thought you are a bit nuts but I had no idea you believe in middle eastern superstition?
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February 22, 2009 5:56pm
big bruv

“Wonder if so tough face to face you keyboard cowards?”

Why the threat of violence D4J?
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February 22, 2009 5:57pm
grumpyoldhori

TimG_Oz, you asked if that bloke who ran away to Israel had commited a crime as bad as stealing the crown jewels.
No, it was a bloody sight worse that that, he helped those Mossadd blokes in attempting to steal NZ passports.
Now the NZ useful fools for Israel whine that they only wanted the passports for holiday in the sun purposes, but some of us doubt that.

What that bloke committed was an act of treason, and I do not give a flying fuck if he was hori,Jewish, Muslim , any NZ citizen who commits an act of treason that could well put other kiwis at risk deserves to go through a hemp rope stretching contest.
Now some believe that was the act of a loyal kiwi, do you believe that ?
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February 22, 2009 6:02pm
TimG_Oz

If the Jewish people feel victimised inside NZ then I can’t help that, nor do I understand why they would feel like that if any of them read my comment.

Thanks very much for your admission of ignorance on this matter. Much appreciated.

As I said, if you draw the conclusion that I’m alleging Jewish people in NZ did that to their own graves, that’s a particularly stupid conclusion to draw. If you draw the conclusion that it’s possible the Mossad did it because that fits their modus operandi, then why is that upsetting for Jewish people in NZ?

The insinuation is that at best the Jews of New Zealand (which you admit you are ignorant of) are complicit in not any further action on the attack against them.

But it’s possible seeing as you are so ignorant (as you have said) that you actually don’t mean this. And the Jews are therefore just the victims of the international Israeli conspiracy. In that case can we just confirm that youare truly and utterly bonkers and just some nut using this forum to spuse conspiracy theories that support your belief of oncoming prophecies because you cannot get any other (I’d love to see you try and get this stuff published!!!). It also throws complete doubt on every one of your 2047 previous posts.

Perhaps we could put a picture of a bat flying at night next to your alias??
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February 22, 2009 6:12pm
reid

Someone who believes that a resurrected Jewish god-man, who was his own father, will let you live forever in paradise — if you ritualistically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

Try not to confuse religious doctrine as enunciated by any church with religious practice by an individual, Billy. It usually leads one to incorrect conclusions because your premises are flawed.

God’s not Jewish, the Jews are his chosen people. There’s a big difference. Incidentally, the tearing of the curtain in the temple upon Jesus’ death was the symbolic recognition that gentiles are also His people. Because God is transcendent it’s no surprise he was both Jesus and God at the same time. I hope you understand transcendence, it’s an incredibly useful analytical tool. Quantum Mechanics incidentally is one of the keys to understanding how this concept operates in the physical world.

As for the rest of your comment, refer to my first sentence. Many highly intelligent people have made the mistake you appear to have made which is not being serious about understanding spiritual matters. This is a great shame (for people like you, not for the rest of us), because you miss something critical that explains humanity in a way that cannot and will never be addressed by science. People like Dawkins allege that science is the whole truth and the only truth. Unfortunately nothing I’ve read on him ever touches on for example, the wisdom expounded by all the major players in history, from Confucius, Buddha, Jesus, etc. This wisdom is truth in exactly the same way that e=mc2 is truth.

If you’re serious about truly understanding how spirituality operates in the world but prefer not to reference the religious works like the Bible, Torah, Quran etc, then can I recommend you look into James Allen. His philosophy is outstanding and it doesn’t mention any specific religion, although it does give you areligious spiritual insights, which you’ll never get if you stick with the cold objectivity of the scientific realm.
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February 22, 2009 6:19pm
reid

reid: If the Jewish people feel victimised inside NZ then I can’t help that, nor do I understand why they would feel like that if any of them read my comment.

Tim: Thanks very much for your admission of ignorance on this matter. Much appreciated.

Crikey Tim, I’m going to have to abandon my abandonment of ad homina attacks, just for you.

What are ya? Thick? See Tim, get a brain. I wasn’t saying anything other than if anyone took offence, they’d be unjustified in so doing since there is absolutely no reason to do so. Is that clear enough for you?

reid: As I said, if you draw the conclusion that I’m alleging Jewish people in NZ did that to their own graves, that’s a particularly stupid conclusion to draw. If you draw the conclusion that it’s possible the Mossad did it because that fits their modus operandi, then why is that upsetting for Jewish people in NZ?

Tim: The insinuation is that at best the Jews of New Zealand (which you admit you are ignorant of) are complicit in not any further action on the attack against them.

Tim, there’s no insinuation whatsoever. You’re trying to paint one for your own purposes, and doing a pretty bad job of it. If you really think that there is an insinuation then you’re quite simply paranoid and you should get some help, right away.

Re: your last two paras, they don’t make a whole lot of sense. Firstly I’ve made 2075 posts, secondly reid is my real first name, thirdly, I’ve read them twice and I still can’t see your point. However, it does appear to back up the contention that you’re very paranoid indeed and perhaps you really should go see someone before you hurt yourself.
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February 22, 2009 6:31pm
reid

Tim, BTW, grumpy has twice asked you an interesting question.

Care to answer it?
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February 22, 2009 6:35pm
billyborker

reid, it is impossible to separate doctrine from religious practice as without the doctrine there is no religion.

You appear to have made the mistake that “spiriitual matters” expalin something about beuing human, when they do nothing of the sort. In fact, they detyract from fully experienceing what it uis to be human.

Whilst there is some wisdom in the sayings of jesus, buddha, even mahomet, there is also a lot of crap. They were, just like you and me, men, with a viewpoint. They were in no way special and their insights not necessarily any better than those of other men, such as Tom Paine, Bill Shakespeare, Karl Marx or even, dare I say it, Sam Harris.

If you think all science is cold and objective I suggest you read more widely, perhaps begin with Sagan’s Demon Haunted World.

I once asked a xtian prosletyser why she belived in god – she said “Look at the sky, the trees, the beauty all around and you will see god”. Well, I can appreciate the sky, the trees and the other beauties of life without the need for an imaginary friend. My real friends make the day for me.

Life lived to the full because you know this is all you get is truly liberating to the mind, the body, and yes, the spirit.
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February 22, 2009 6:41pm
billyborker

big bruv (2710) Vote: 1 1 Says:

February 22nd, 2009 at 5:57 pm
“Wonder if so tough face to face you keyboard cowards?”

Why the threat of violence D4J?

Because it is the only response he knows.

When he is losing a debate, he threatens violence.

When his dinner is late, he threatens violence.

When his daughter ran off with an older man, he threatened violence.

The threat of violence is the ultimate position of the ignorant, the stupid and the violent.

Ever wondered why he knows so much about what goes on in jail?

[DPF: And 20 demerits for bringing his family into it]
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February 22, 2009 6:45pm
billyborker

reid – …the contention that you’re very paranoid indeed …

I suspect paranoia is the normal state for anyone who accepts the 10 commandments as a way to live life.

Four of the ten are simply god’s expression of his own paranoia.
If your god is paranoid, your bound to be paranoid too.
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February 22, 2009 6:50pm
Atheist1

Billy – Life lived to the full because you know this is all you get is truly liberating to the mind, the body, and yes, the spirit.

Nice. Agreed. “That it will never come again is what makes life so sweet.”
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February 22, 2009 6:55pm
billyborker

dpf – better give me another 20 for lying.

but leave d4j alone, let him continue his persoanl abuse, his threats of violence and his attempts to track down posters in order to do them harm. After all he’s a christian, a right winger and an idiot, so can do no wrong.

[DPF: You are an idiot. If you look at the demerits page, D4J has been demerited and suspended more often than any other commenter]
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February 22, 2009 6:56pm
dad4justice

“When his daughter ran off with an older man, he threatened violence.”

That is malicious dirt and totally untruthful. Thank you David Farrar for the time at your blog but I won’t be returning to a place where my children are smeared by some cowardly dirt bag. No doubt big blouse will be very pleased. Very sick people.
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February 22, 2009 7:22pm
grumpyoldhori

Reid, another question for Tim, has he heard of the Israeli Mahal program where those of the Jewish faith under twenty three go to Israel for military training.

Now would Tim be in favor of young Australian Muslims trotting off to Iran for military training because I see no difference.
On both counts the question of loyalty to country comes up, or do some put loyalty to religion first ?
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February 22, 2009 7:31pm
big bruv

Why would I be pleased D4J?, I have no issue with nor have I passed comment on your kids, I happen to agree with DPF that families should never be part of the argument.

I do have concerns that your first reaction is invariably violent and no doubt this is the cause of your various problems however I repeat, I have no issue with your kids.

If you want to leave because you are a nutter then all well and good, if you want to leave because you have some stupid idea that the entire world is against you then go for your life but please do not blame your departure on things that have fuck all to do with me.
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February 22, 2009 7:40pm
billyborker

don’t worry, big bruv, he’ll be back, he always throws his toys out of the cot, storms off, but can’t abide living in his little bedsit without the attention he craves here.
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February 22, 2009 8:13pm
johnbt

I appreciate that it is Sunday, but, it appears that some people need to get a job or a partner or a life or a garden or some bloody thing.
May I suggest we move to the next topic and try to be nice?
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February 22, 2009 8:35pm
TimG_Oz

The last thing I want to do is make a Grumpy old Hori even grumpier, especially on a topic which he is already pretty grumpy about.

Now some believe that was the act of a loyal kiwi, do you believe that ?

Well humour me … I don’t actually know what he has or hasn’t done. Not because I’m ignoring it, but because I was living overseas at the time. But My original answer stands – if he has committed a crime, then he should be tried and convicted. As I mentioned you seem pretty intent to string him up – what would you have happen to murderers? Maybe you should join the DPP? I might even support you!

You never answered my question on your opinion of Reid’s hypothesis (what was the quote from DPF … “F***ing bonkers”). Given your strong stand against criminals – what would be a fair sentence to people inciting a hate crime such as an attack on a Jewish cemetary?

I was born in NZ and am a passport carrying citizen.

But now to answer your other question regarding loyalty to NZ – You may have actually caught me out here. There is one (and ONLY one) other country I am supporting. This is even though

– I pay them a lot of money to invest in amongst other things – defence and military
– I pay money to their charitable organisations, and donate time and effort also
– The government pays me money from time to time
– I have been given a passport for this country
– They have a big relationship with the US, including finance & military
– (Here’s the biggy) – I have sworn an allegiance to defend this country (I have never sworn the same oath for NZ)

So – have I committed treason? Please answer before reading on …….

The country is AUSTRALIA!

Face it – the only way this could be considered treason is if I Boo the All Blacks in Sydney. Well – I’m Going to DO IT. Just to make you grumpier. Not that the Wallabies are any good (the coach is!). I just probably won’t do it very loudly because I don’t really dislike the All Blacks all that much. But a crime non-theless. Tell you what … I’ll just Boo if they lose, Surely that’s treason still?????
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February 22, 2009 10:19pm
wikiriwhis business

“Someone who believes that a resurrected Jewish god-man, who was his own father, will let you live forever in paradise — if you ritualistically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.”

This is not strictly a true representation and Christians do get smeared by Catholic beliefs, but this can certainly be turned into a great nutshell as an anecdote.

someone actually described to me a pregnancy as a woman haven bitten the apple.
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