General Debate 12 February 2009

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Glutaemus Maximus

One of Britain’s top bankers, and advisor to Gordon Brown resigns his post as deputy chairman of the Banking and Financial Services regular, the FSA.

More heads will roll, as the BoE wakes up to the fact that the UK is really, well and truly stuffed.
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February 12, 2009 8:39am
barry

I am very disappointed that the Ka Mate haka hasnt had a performance fee or some other veto condition put on it when its I.P. was included in this latest treaty settlement.

Due to this oversight we are going to have to continue to put up with having to watch this war dance performed not just by our most highly paid performance group (all blacks) but by everyone who finds it difficult to say “well Done”, and find it necessary to resort to this grotesque performance as a form of congratulations.
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February 12, 2009 8:43am
Inventory2

Nice to see that Police getting tough on the Mongrel Mob. Let’s hope that this isn’t a one-off

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/02/more-like-it.html
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February 12, 2009 8:51am
nz capitalist

I would like to congratulate Morgan Tsvangirai on becoming Prime Minister of Rhodesia.

Quite a difficult task ahead of him! ha ha!
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February 12, 2009 8:56am
Murray

Its not a war dance barry. Its a haka, two very different things.
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February 12, 2009 9:00am
Ferdinand

dpf, are you likely to write a piece on the government’s plan to extend the DNA database? I’m sure as a classical liberal you agree that it is a dangerous extension of the power of the state into people’s private lives.

I’m also keen to hear the opinions of libertarian National party supporters on this issue.
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February 12, 2009 9:01am
Neil

I watched Channel 94’s coverage of the maiden speech of Ms C.Delahunty yesterday. What an astonishing scene it was. I have never in my life seen such confusing rhetoric,anger and idiocy from any MP, other than Keith Locke.
She spoke a whole lot of it in Maori, which wasn’t translated and then burst into song near the finish. One of these leftist apologists who has lived off the teat of the public through money from QUANGO’S.
Looking at some of the more sane Green MP’s(Not too many of those) Kennedy Graham looked decidedly uncomfortable through her ramble around cuckooland.
How on earth can we in NZ elect people like that who have Don Quixote like characters of fighting with windmills and stirring up a whole of irrelevant trouble.
God Save NZ if this Delahunty individual gets her hands on the levers of power. But look for a few laughs at her idiotic utterances in the future.
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February 12, 2009 9:05am
expat

If extending a DNA database means the fucktard gangmembers and paedophiles who have seemingly unlimited mobility presently are curtailed and jailed then it seems a good idea.

What do you think Ferdinand?
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February 12, 2009 9:05am
big bruv

Barry

Very well said.
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February 12, 2009 9:06am
barry

Neil, this is what happens when the greens do get some power – they effectively kill people…

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25038717-5018722,00.html
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February 12, 2009 9:10am
paradigm

Neil, I am in full agreement with you.

I also happened to (unfortunately) be watching parliament tv on wednesday when Catherine Delahunty was asked to give her maiden speech. In it she announced that she intended to save us all from individualism, democracy and the free market; all of which are apparently just tools of the collonial oppressors to keep Maori under control while they drink white wine. I cannot understand how the green party can brand itself as anything other than an outright communist party after putting such an ardent Bolshevik zealot on its list.
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February 12, 2009 9:12am
Rakaia George

Ferdinand, the human species evolved in small communities where annonymity was impossible. Everyone knew who you were. I personally have no problem with technology taking us back to that situation for the vastly larger populations we now form.
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February 12, 2009 9:15am
dime

i only heard a soundbite of Delahunty… but it was enough. my god!

TOAD – you seem like a good bloke. you’re a smart guy… how do you honestly put up with this garbage? wouldnt you be better off involved with a major party that weeds out this type of crap?
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February 12, 2009 9:20am
jackp

I read a little of Delahunty speech in the herald and she is trying to bring the country back 140 years. I am dumbfounded how such a racist can be in Parliament. On a lighter note, for those of you who have small businesses, the gst threshold was raised from 40,000 to 60,000 starting April 1st. This helps us because we have such a small business at this point. John Key, I applaud you!
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February 12, 2009 9:24am
Glutaemus Maximus

I guess that when she went to get her done for the big occasion, the hairdressers were shut!
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February 12, 2009 9:25am
llew

Has Delahunty been an MP before? Heh, and didn’t she used to be on Cliose to Home? Or am I thinking of someone else?
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February 12, 2009 9:33am
bobux

ferdinand

I’m OK with DNA sampled being banked for those convicted of crimes above a certain threshold of seriousness, or after a large number of minor convictions.

I am very unhappy with the proposal to retain DNA samples of those merely investigated; but not charged, let alone convicted.

Delahunty appears to be a gift to both National and Labour – unles the Greens can hide her for the next three years, they are going to have embarassing footage of her wheeled out next campaign. Somehow I’m not sure she is what the Greens need to attract the undecided voter with a concern for the environment.
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February 12, 2009 9:38am
stephen

I’m also keen to hear the opinions of libertarian National party supporters on this issue.

You seriously think ‘libertarians’ actually exist in the National party? Fat chance.
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February 12, 2009 9:40am
mike12

Delahunty is a great example of the perils of MMP.
As outback aussie is discovering the greens + power = danger
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February 12, 2009 9:43am
dime

anyone read Delahunty’s bio? impressive HAHAHA

shes a feminist stand up comedian.. “because the idea of male superiority is funny”
can you imagine her hate filled, spiteful comedy show? wonder which lesbian bars she plays?
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February 12, 2009 9:47am
goodgod

Catherine Delahunty was asked to give her maiden speech. In it she announced that she intended to save us all from individualism…

I interpret this as as a declaration of war. Either the Greens fire her or she’ll end up in a wheelie bin somewhere. Austria put David Irving in prison for a similar offence, yet NZ applauds communist comrade Delahunty?
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February 12, 2009 9:48am
llew

I’m thinking of Sarah Delahunty.
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February 12, 2009 9:57am
greenfly

barry said: “we are going to have to continue to put up with having to watch this war dance performed”
and I thought he meant Catherine Delahunty’s maiden speech! Makes ya’ nervous, huh!

Pre-election, John Key made a song and dance of his own about poor, malnourished children turning up to school with no breakfast, so he ordered in a swag of sugared-up muesli bars, to the horror of health officials. Now that he’s in power, he’s thrown open the doors of school canteens to more of that junk. Is anyone else seeing a pattern here? Wonder what’s in the cupboards at the Key homestead? Fruit Loops and Sugar Puffs?
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February 12, 2009 9:59am
Redbaiter

“I’m thinking of Sarah Delahunty.”

Wow.. not Redbaiter??

Is it some kind of therapy you’ve been advised to follow?
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February 12, 2009 10:00am
peterwn

Public mood strongly supports ‘crime control’ and ‘crime control’ measures are politically popular. A crime victim would far rather accept some ‘rights’ limitations to feel safe and secure. What would be politically wise would be to exclude offences while could theoretically attract a jail sentence but where the alleged offender is very unlikely to be involved with other crime. Careless driving (even if it causes death) could be ‘exempted’ but not dangerous driving. I even wonder whether manslaughter (where the circumstances point to no more than negligence) could be exempt. What I had in mind is that manlaughter due to say medical misadventure could be exempt, but not manslaughter due to dangerous driving.

‘Crime control’ is academic jargon for an objective of a police / justice system where some loss of rights and some risk of wrongful conviction is tolerated in the name of efficiency. In the 1970’s there was some swing away from ‘crime control’ but things have very much now swung the other way.
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February 12, 2009 10:00am
Redbaiter

A link to the Green party web page with Delahunty’s speech-

http://www.greens.org.nz/node/20546

Amazing isn’t it, that a proportion of New Zealanders believe their lot will be improved by having this deranged and dangerous fuckwit in parliament.
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February 12, 2009 10:04am
greenfly

peterwn said: “some loss of rights and some risk of wrongful conviction is tolerated in the name of efficiency”
That’s chilling.
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February 12, 2009 10:09am
philu

“..dpf, are you likely to write a piece on the government’s plan to extend the DNA database? ..”

you gotta be kidding..!

..you seem to have unrealistic expectations of the impartiality of our mr farrar..

..it is..and always has been..his ‘job’…to trot out the party line..

..(with a sideline in character assasination/’yellow journalism’..c.f…his role in the demise of winston peters..

..and any deep-felt political ‘beliefs’/pretences held by our ‘host’..are always shelved..

..in the execution of those duties..

..so no..farrar will now be all gung-ho about dna’ing everyone..

..you’d expect little else..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 12, 2009 10:12am
Redbaiter

“That’s chilling”

Greenblowfly, please stop your hideous posturing as someone with classic liberal tendencies. You’re a big government collectivist commie. Always have been always will be, and as such, a clear and present danger to individual liberty, property rights and freedom overall.

If we replaced any politician with anyone sharing your particular mindset, the quest to restore individual liberty as a prime consideration in NZ society would be set back decades.

Cease the pretense. Its irritating, not amusing.
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February 12, 2009 10:16am
philu

btw..as an aside..

..catherine delahunty thinking herself a comedian…is a grande self-delusion…

..delahunty may be a few things..(and she may well turn out to be a competent m.p..)

..but ‘funny’..

..sure as hell isn’t one of them..

..in a few years of reasonably close observation..

..i wasn’t even aware she thought herself ‘funny’..

..cos’ i never saw her make anyone ‘laugh’..

..and it came as quite a shock to me to see those skills claimed in her bio..

(and funnily enough..in arguments etc in green party quarters..

..it used to piss delahunty off that i used humour/one-liners so effectively to deflect/show up whatever silliness she was trotting out at the time..)

..(delahunty saying she is a comedian..

..is kinda like someone like pita sharples saying he supports/argues for tory/anti-worker legislation..eh.?

..oh..!..hang on..!..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 12, 2009 10:21am
Ferdinand

I am assuming those who support the extension of the DNA database will be happy to be legally compelled to provide their DNA to the police. And will feel the same comfort doing so regardless of who is in government?
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February 12, 2009 10:24am
llew

“I’m thinking of Sarah Delahunty.”

Wow.. not Redbaiter??

Ugh, no, not Redbaiter. Not worth a thought.
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February 12, 2009 10:24am
philu

canya see redbaiter..?..as the economic/environmental waters rise to mouth level..

..still prattling on..

..’give me ‘individual liberty’..(whatever that construct may be in his little deluded mind..does it include mass dna sampling..?..)

..’or give me death..!’..

eh..?

(gurgle gurgle..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 12, 2009 10:25am
Inventory2

greenfly said “Is anyone else seeing a pattern here? Wonder what’s in the cupboards at the Key homestead? Fruit Loops and Sugar Puffs?”

Only one fruit-loop around here today greenfly…
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February 12, 2009 10:27am
Redbaiter

“Ugh, no, not Redbaiter. Not worth a thought.”

Gee, sounds like the therapy is working well.
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February 12, 2009 10:27am
dad4justice

Does his therapy involve the use of electrodes?
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February 12, 2009 10:28am
PhilBest

barry (300) Vote: 4 1 Says:

February 12th, 2009 at 9:10 am
“Neil, this is what happens when the greens do get some power – they effectively kill people…”

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25038717-5018722,00.html

Yep, barry, and look at THIS one; the Green fucktards have got the gall to be defending this?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25042644-5018722,00.html

“…..David Packham, a former supervising meteorologist for fire weather nationwide at the Bureau of Meteorology, accused environmentalists of behaving like “eco-terrorists waging a jihad” against prescribed burning.

“The green movement is directly responsible for the severity of these fires through their opposition to prescribed burning,” Mr Packham said.

The federal Environment Department’s spokeswoman declined to name the applicant behind the proposal to list controlled burning as a “key threatening process”.

But bushfire consultant Chris Muller, a former fire officer with the Victorian and West Australian governments, said the proposal would make it even harder to carry out precautionary burn-offs to reduce fuel loads in forests.

“I am appalled that Minister Garrett would even contemplate an action that would remove or restrict the use of the only effective large bushfire mitigation tool — prescribed burning,” he said…..”
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February 12, 2009 10:29am
philu

btw…..

d’tareckon john key still ‘frets’ about ‘the underclass’..?

..or has he ‘moved on’..

..and is he now just focussed on helping his ‘class’..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 12, 2009 10:29am
philu

“..# dad4justice (4773) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
February 12th, 2009 at 10:28 am

Does his therapy involve the use of electrodes?..”

no.you are the expert in that field..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 12, 2009 10:30am
dad4justice

What class of drug are you on today phool? I bet you use a lot of electricity and emit large clouds of toxic smoke into the atmosphere.
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February 12, 2009 10:31am
greenfly

redbaiter – supportive of them collecting your ‘stuff’ (for the safety of all, nothing to see here!) are you?
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February 12, 2009 10:31am
Redbaiter

“..it used to piss delahunty off that i used humour/one-liners so effectively”

Another insufferably pompous communist who mistakes pretension, arrogance and smugness for humour. If you ever developed the ability to percieve how smug supercilious and superior you come across as, you piffling mungbean, you’d never write another word here.
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February 12, 2009 10:32am
philu

‘underclass’..

(have the burn marks on the temples healed yet..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 12, 2009 10:32am
Redbaiter

“redbaiter – supportive of them collecting your ’stuff’ (for the safety of all, nothing to see here!) are you?”

Whether I do or not, I’m not in the slightest manner accountable to dangerous fools like you blowfly.
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February 12, 2009 10:33am
philu

whereas you redbaiter…

..are ‘funny’ personified..

..eh..?

(gee..!..’getting loose’ with you would be about as funny as a barrel of monkeys..

..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 12, 2009 10:34am
dad4justice

Dangerous stinking lefty thinking has caused this mess. Hang them all I say.
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February 12, 2009 10:35am
mike12

“I am appalled that Minister Garrett would even contemplate an action that would remove or restrict the use of the only effective large bushfire mitigation tool — prescribed burning,” he said…..”

One of Garretts songs had a chorus “how do we sleep when are beds are burning”

Hope you are sleeping OK at present peter
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February 12, 2009 10:36am
greenfly

PhilBest – were they ‘blue greens’ or ‘red greens’ do you know, or are you and your het-up mates just smearing? Given that arsonists are implicated, you’d have to assume that none of them were ‘greens’, in fact they are most likely to come from the other end of the spectrum. You’d have to conclude that the killers were from the same camp as you . Wouldn’t you.
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February 12, 2009 10:36am
PhilBest

“….this is what happens when the greens do get some power – they effectively kill people…”

And that is a big-scale problem, barry. Tens of millions of deaths from malaria after DDT was banned. Millions of deaths resulting from “biofuel” production crowding out food production. Billions of people kept in poverty because of anti-development Green policies……..notice “Greenies” hypocrisy about the importance of all living organisms EXCEPT the human foetus, and humans themselves, too, in the worst cases.

Oooooh, don’t get me going; it would be easier than you’d care to think, for this whole filthy anti-human movement to morph into the next Bolsheviks/Nazis. We’ve already got the corpulent hypocrite, liar, and dangerously idolised Al Gore calling for civil disobedience and sabotage of industry and coal fired power generation on the part of the “caring” younger generation.

Come on, let’s see where Toad and Philu and our Greenies stand on this stuff. It’s no accident that some of our Greenies supported Pol Pot.
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February 12, 2009 10:37am
philu

ae you talking about the ‘mess’ that is yours and redbaiters brains/minds..?

which ‘lefty’ did it to you..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 12, 2009 10:37am
dad4justice

Hey greenblowfly, a blue green doesn’t put rare relocated snails in a refrigerator that kills them. Doh well done Doc. How much did that wee fuck up cost Chris Carter!!
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February 12, 2009 10:38am
philu

oh look..it’s phil-the-inferior..!

(him with the copy/paste problem..)

..yawn..!

..(what’s that you say..!..keith locke..and his parents..once supported communism..?

..why..i/we..never knew..

..eh..?

..(and watch out..eh..?

..i think phil-the-inferior/the copy-paster..is about to have another of his ‘attacks’..

..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 12, 2009 10:41am
llew

Does his therapy involve the use of electrodes?

??

Speaking of therapy dad… dreaming of torturing something today?
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February 12, 2009 10:41am
PhilBest

greenfly (298) Vote: 0 0 Says:

February 12th, 2009 at 10:36 am
“PhilBest – were they ‘blue greens’ or ‘red greens’ do you know, or are you and your het-up mates just smearing? Given that arsonists are implicated, you’d have to assume that none of them were ‘greens’, in fact they are most likely to come from the other end of the spectrum. You’d have to conclude that the killers were from the same camp as you . Wouldn’t you.”

What, an economic libertarian christian fundamentalist might have something in common with an ideology that moves people to light murderous bushfires? I don’t see it, please explain.

This is not MY suggestion, but the novelist Michael Crichton’s book “Climate of Fear” was about environmentalist nutters going around triggering “natural” disasters to get attention for their cause……..
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February 12, 2009 10:42am
dad4justice

Llew that’s really weak. Go find a snail and put it in the fridge mate.
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February 12, 2009 10:42am
mike12

“It’s no accident that some of our Greenies supported Pol Pot.”

Careful Phil if Keith Locke reads this he might start bubbling again.
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February 12, 2009 10:43am
llew

Llew that’s really weak.

Um… then what did you mean about electrodes? Or “Hang them all, I say” ??

If it quacks like a duck…
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February 12, 2009 10:46am
dad4justice

Do ducks eat snails?
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February 12, 2009 10:47am
llew

Cripes… can’t a guy come here & comment without being pestered by the village idiots?

Meh… rhetorical question I suppose.
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February 12, 2009 10:51am
greenfly

dad – Carter may have suffered but his pain pales into insignificance with the lot the snails suffered. Poor little molluscs 🙂
I know, deep down in your easily-inflamed heart, you feel for them.
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February 12, 2009 10:51am
Redbaiter

“Cripes… can’t a guy come here & comment without being pestered by the village idiots?”

There ya go see. I try a little light hearted humour and you break out in tears..

Sigh..

Just can’t please some people.
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February 12, 2009 10:56am
Brian Smaller

Philu – I thought that you were banned.

Perhaps you could help me. I am looking for a non-standard keyboard with the standard qwerty keys and about three hundred extra commas, fullstops, semi-colons and assorted punctuation mark keys. You seem to have discovered one so could you let me know where you got it.
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February 12, 2009 10:58am
llew

Speaking of light hearted humour, I mention village idiots & you respond… looks like there’s nothing wrong with your self perception then.

As you were…
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February 12, 2009 11:00am
dad4justice

Do you make snide remarks in your sleep dear sensitive llew?
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February 12, 2009 11:01am
mike12

“Do ducks eat snails?”

Yes Dad they do.

Which is why I try and kill as many of the billed predators as I can the first weekend in May
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February 12, 2009 11:17am
mattyroo

Brian Smaller, If you spend your day doing this: http://www.waytoomany.com/singles/bong-smoking-chick.jpg …. You will find that your keyboard looks like that drug fucked fools too
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February 12, 2009 11:26am
kiwi in america

Brain Smaller
Nice shot
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February 12, 2009 11:28am
Captain Crab

Greenfly
“Now that he’s in power, he’s thrown open the doors of school canteens to more of that junk. ”

Kind of you to confirm that the Greens have issues with reading and understanding legislation. Small attention span I guess.
You remind me of the retort from Bolger to Holmes when Holmes was being particularly dim,
” Just what is it about NO that you dont understand?”
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February 12, 2009 11:29am
greenfly

Captain Crab – I’m all attention. Tell me how allowing junk food in school canteens helps the health (and focus on their school work) of children. As I say, I’m all attention (but expecting an missing-the-point response from you).
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February 12, 2009 12:01pm
side show bob

Greenfly
“Now that he’s in power, he’s thrown open the doors of school canteens to more of that junk.”

Hay great, do you think our kids will be able to get some of those hash brownies that Delahunty obviously loves.
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February 12, 2009 12:16pm
mattyroo

greenfly Says:

“Tell me how allowing junk food in school canteens helps the health (and focus on their school work) of children. As I say, I’m all attention (but expecting an missing-the-point response from you).”

No, you horrible little green puke, it is you that is missing the point!

You have no fucking right to be interfering in the lives of what my children eat. I will decide what they can eat and what they can’t, by setting boundaries for them and letting them make their own choices, based on the values I have instilled in them. Not based on some jumped up piece of commie excrements determinations.

If this means that some kids get fat because all they know is eating junkfood, so fucking what. Let’s get some personal responsibilty back and make their parents pay any medical bills. If they can’t afford the medical bills, sleep under a bridge… see if I care. Bound to be plenty of bleeding hearts to come and care for them anyway, the way all you lefties carry on about being the “keepers of our brothers”.

Now fuck off back to caring about your own children!
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February 12, 2009 12:38pm
philu

look..!..look..!

..it’s kia..!

..um..!..got any ‘predictions’ for us..?

..we are all in need of a good laff..eh.?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 12, 2009 12:45pm
big bruv

Judith Collins made a significant announcement in the house yesterday which seems to have been missed by the press.

Ms Collins said she had “just signed off” on double bunking in our prisons, this is great news at is doubles our prison capacity overnight.

Perhaps Collins is making sure there is room for Victoria Stevens.
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February 12, 2009 1:03pm
Captain Crab

Greenfly,
The legislation doesnt “allow it” as the freedom of choice the school gets is balanced by the requirement to educate and provide healthy food.
You really dont get it do you.
Tell you what. Go down to the nearest park and start going around telling parents and their children what to do and what not to do. Take that ice cream away from those children and lets see what happens.
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February 12, 2009 1:16pm
peterwn

So there is $50M of Transpower upgrading work waiting ‘regulatory approval’. To the extent that this involves the Electricity Commission lets hope they get the message too, or they may go the same way as that hapless protestor who got bundled out of a National Party conference by Gerry Brownlee several years ago.

Oh, by the way, with regard to capital works, the Electricity Commission now has to approve Transpower projects which 25 years ago the General Manager of the old NZ Electricity Department could approve himself.
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February 12, 2009 1:19pm
peterwn

big bruv – even the usual Arohata immates will find Victoria a big handful. Some one else will need to double bunk so she can have her own cell.
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February 12, 2009 1:23pm
Inventory2

Great news from Australia

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/02/arsonists-arrested.html
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February 12, 2009 1:54pm
llew

Great news from Australia

Damn, I was kind of hoping that they were wrong about there being arson involved (faith in human nature and all that). But good they’ve made arrests.
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February 12, 2009 2:12pm
wikiriwhis business

“Great news from Australia”

Its all inuendo so far,, knee jerk reaction.

THe police better be right otherwise they gonna look fools and be sued for mills
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February 12, 2009 2:48pm
PhilBest

Wow, now even the Fairfax papers are doing it: throwing the Green sacred cow under the bus:

“Green Ideas Must Take Blame For Deaths”; Miranda Devine; Sydney Morning Herald

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/green-ideas-must-take-blame-for-deaths-20090211-84mk.html?page=-1
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February 12, 2009 4:07pm
MyNameIsJack

Jonkey was very quick to sink the boot in to a Car Hire company that wanted payment for retrieving a car when the keys were lost by an idiot doing an idiotic act.

Will he also sink the slipper in to ASB, or are they exempt from having to behave to Jonkey’s standards?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10556436
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February 12, 2009 4:16pm
getstaffed

Clerics urge Valentine’s Day boycott
Senior Muslim clerics have urged Sudanese youngsters to boycott Valentine’s Day, saying it is a Western institution that could lead couples astray.

Members of the Sudan Ulema Authority, an influential body of religious leaders, called on young men and women to ignore the event on February 14 and resist the temptation to mark it by taking romantic strolls in parks.

I’ve spent quite a bit of time working in Muslim countries in Asia. It’s fascinating to watch the ‘westernification’ of people who would call themselves devout Muslims. Men will drink alcohol in their own homes (but not in public), couples will stroll hand-in-hand when they are alone (but never in public), Women pray less because is means removing their make-up etc etc.

I do wonder if their Islamic faith will become like the Christian faith seen in traditional churches… that have seen their pews emptying as the last vestiges of religious tokenism are leached from their attendees’ lifestyles.
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February 12, 2009 8:46pm
greenfly

Still not a single Kiwiblog contributer can say how allowing junk food in school canteens will benefit the children. Not one single one of you. Come on, don’t be bashful! (Try, try, try to answer the question not just proclaim me ‘stupid’ – just answer the question! It’s been days since that idiotic announcement. You must have had time to think!
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February 12, 2009 10:33pm
getstaffed

greenfly, children will benefit from being given information and being encouraged to make informed choices.. knowling and learning that choices have consequences. Sporting choices, social choices, academic choices, culinary choices, vocational choices, political choices (like… um, well, vote Green thinking you are being nice to the environment and instead getting a parliament loaded with assorted control-freak crackpots). Choice. The word that strikes fear into the hearts of rabid socialists everywhere. Choice. Night!
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February 12, 2009 10:45pm
Buggerlugs

Does the DPMC still long for government by diktat, or does no-one there know how to drive the website? This page is exactly one year out of date…

http://www.dpmc.govt.nz/cabinet/ministers/delegated.html
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February 12, 2009 11:29pm
noskire

Heh, Kiwiblog is #1 on Google for “burnt sperm”.

[DPF: Oh dear]
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February 12, 2009 11:37pm
greenfly

getstaffed – thanks for your effort at replying – choice is choice, but schools aren’t a free for all for students. There are boundaries everywhere, set by parents, school boards, the ministry and the law. Dangerous options aren’t provided just so that students can choose not to take them. Why offer unhealthy choices, knowing many will take them, just so that the childs right to choose isn’t lessened. Provide a range of healthy choices. That’s what happens in every other field of endeavour at school. Crocodile wrestling isn’t offered in p.e. just so the kids can choose not to do it. It’s irresponsible to offer junk food, knowing that it will contribute to the ill health of some of those students who choose to eat junk. The taxpayer will have to foot the bill when the develop diabetes etc.
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February 13, 2009 7:25am
PhilBest

Double wow, now even Germaine Greer is onto it:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25048576-2702,00.html

“OUTSPOKEN academic Germaine Greer has branded Australian authorities arsonists for failing to carry out regular burn-offs, which she says could have prevented the deadly Victorian bushfires.

Greer said Australians were paying the price for repeatedly ignoring the lessons of past bushfires – the need for burn-offs in cooler months to lessen the risk of blazes in the summer.

“I was born in 1939 and Melbourne was under black clouds of smoke with cinders sifting down everywhere and we were already there on Black Friday,” she said in London.

“We get taught the same lesson again and again and we just think: `Oh no, that’s a bit drastic’. No, it’s not a bit drastic, we have to do it.

“It’s the same old story. We need to educate people, we need to also have a bit of courage and we probably need somebody to direct the operation.

“It’s useless running around looking for arsonists. The arsonists are us. They are our government and our administrators. We have been stupid.”

Greer was speaking while attending a function with Prince Charles in London to celebrate the fifth anniversary of the Royal Flying Doctor Service’s charity in the UK.

The feminist icon, who recalled holidaying when she was younger in the now devastated Victorian town of Marysville, said fire was part of the Australian bush life cycle and the more fuel that was allowed to build up, the greater the risk of a blaze.

She said authorities should learn from how Aborigines used fire hundreds of years ago to remove the build-up of undergrowth and dead branches from bushland areas.

And, she added, if housing subdivisions continued to be built in the bush, fire management regimes should be considered vital to prevent bushfires destroying them.

“Nobody buys a house in a wonderful green forested area expecting it to be burnt,” she said.

“If it is burnt every five years, you’ll have six months where it looks a bit rubbish.

“But you will also get all the orchids and all the rare wildflowers popping up out of the ground.

“All you have to do is turn people’s heads around a bit.

“You can’t prevent fire. What you are going to have to do is learn how to use fire.”
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How about that, Redbaiter? Did you think you’d ever read something Germaine Greer said that you’d agree with?
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