General Debate 19 January 2008

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Owen McShane

The EU is going to subsidise its agriculture.
US Grass farmers can now sell carbon credits for their soil management.

We plan to tax our farmers because of methane emissions but not allow claims for soil sequestration.
What is our death wish?

Finally, the US scheme depends largely on no-till technology developed here at Massey University by Dr Baker and taken to the US through a joint venture with Washington State University.
It is no use here because we do not recognise the sequestration capability of soil because we want to demonise our cows – alone in the world.
Yes some US farmers have to reduce stock numbers to make the soil credits count but the increased revenue from selling carbon credits compensates.
We should wish our farmers luck – they are going to need it.
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January 19, 2009 11:02am
wreck1080

Now the NCEA results are out, a bunch of eager younger relatives are telling us all their marks. I have to say, I have no idea if what they tell me is any good or not.

I’ve looked on the NCEA website, but that does not really tell me much either.

I need an easily understandable grading system (A/B/C/D…) that ranks students nationally relative to each other. The only way to do this, is if all students sit the same exams, like in the old days.

At least they could print on their website, how todays marks compare against the older style marks (merit = B??? or A??? or what? ).
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January 19, 2009 11:05am
Max Call

Generally you could say that Excellence = A, Merit = B and Achieved = C. Not Achieved is a fail grade. These are for achievement standards.
Unit standards have only achieved or not achieved.
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January 19, 2009 11:16am
Max Call

Your student rellies should be able to explain this to you…
Most students should have sat external exams for some of their standards in each subject.
If they tell you they didn’t ‘have to’ this is true insofar as there is no compulsion. Some students are lazy and once they have achieved the minimum number of credits required are not bothered attempting further credits available to them.
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January 19, 2009 11:19am
Max Call

Also some schools/teachers will actively encourage less able students who they suspect will earn a ‘not achieved’ to not sit the standard. This is not then recorded as a fail and enhances the schools statistics.
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January 19, 2009 11:24am
cocamc007

very sorry to hear about Lloyd Morrison illness. Great business leader and hope he is back to best soon
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January 19, 2009 11:29am
freethinker

Bad luck for John Key to break and arm but 10/10 for admitting a moments inattention was the cause – this bodes well for personal responsibility when the leader admits it was my fault – cannot recall Helen or any of her ministers ever admitting to be at fault!
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January 19, 2009 1:10pm
wikiriwhis business

well ,

I learnt a new word today: Equanomics.

This is the key word that many are expecting to see from the Obama administration.

equal economics for all. Thats why I feel Obama is on a hiding to nothing. Because of the expectations.

America’s problems are too big to be solved in 8 years. Maybe even 50 thanks to the Bush administration.

America just needs to feel some relief and maybe Obama will give that.

But the land of milk and honey phoned. Its closed borders and America isn’t part of it anymore.
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January 19, 2009 1:56pm
fredinthegrass

Freethinker
Agree with you.
I feel a sense of responsibility returning
Maybe we will see ‘failed’ back in education instead of not ‘achieved’
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January 19, 2009 4:17pm
big bruv

“America’s problems are too big to be solved in 8 years. Maybe even 50 thanks to the Bush administration.”

Look folks, the excuses are starting already.

Of course it is utter bullshit to blame the economic crisis on Bush, the blame for this mess can be traced right back to Clinton and plastic Nancy Pelosi.

I do find it interesting that during the election campaign the Hussein Obama fans were telling us that the messiah was the one who could and would fix all the ills overnight, the con man has not even taken office yet and the same people are making excuses for the man.

The next four years is going to be a lot of fun watching the left come to the slow conclusion that they have been conned.
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January 19, 2009 4:37pm
AG

BB,

Should you really be commenting here, when you have unfinished business on this thread?

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/ouch-6.html/comment-page-1#comment-526220

Or are you tacitly admitting that you were just, actually, in reality … making shit up? If so, isn’t your credibility here a little suspect?
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January 19, 2009 4:44pm
big bruv

AG

Nah, its not that at all, its just that I refuse to take orders from a pinko.

You people no longer set the agenda, there are plenty of examples of the small minded bigotry and abuse at the standard, indeed anybody who has read this thread could find them with ease.

The only people who “make shit up” are you and your pinko mates, for example it is hilarious the way your mates at the standard try and turn the rising crime rate into a fall in REPORTED crime.

They, like you are full of shit.
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January 19, 2009 5:07pm
AG

C’mon … be as big as your name suggests … admit you made a mistake (at best). No-one will judge you too harshly. Honest.
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January 19, 2009 5:12pm
dad4justice

Don’t be a big blouse big bruv. Haha 🙂
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January 19, 2009 5:17pm
John B

Dear Big Bruv (and other Obama bashers),
What is your problem with the next POTUS? I myself would be far closer to a Repub than a Dem but can’t we respect the guy’s achievement and be just a tincy bit excited that a black guy managed to become prez. Rightwingers/conservatives should be the first ones to applaud at Obama taking office as it provides reasurance that the constitution/rule of law/the establishment does work and all have equal opportunity in the land of the free.
What’s with your constant referral to Hussein, his middle name?. Don’t tell me you’re one of these dick heads that think he’s a secret muslim.
I’m sure he’s bound to disapoint (the expectations are too big) and by all means attack his positions or policy but calling him a ‘con man’ and making snide religous slurs is pretty lame.
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January 19, 2009 5:21pm
Banana Llama

Britain is in urgent talks on a 2nd bank rescue package

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPjD2iseTCY

I really have to wonder what the world will be like at the end of the year, can’t keep pumping money into a system that is on life support so perhaps we will see a move away from this fraudulent banking system, not a bad run i guess some 30 years of party time and now the party is over everyone has to deal with the hangover.
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January 19, 2009 5:36pm
big bruv

John B

Why should I be excited that the next President will be black?, the colour of the man’s skin is only relevant to those who choose to make race an issue, indeed they are the true racists.

The guy is a total fake, granted he is a bloody good fake, perhaps the best salesman we have seen since Jesus but like Jesus he is selling a lie.

For the best part of a year all we heard was “change” and “yes we can” yet very few people stopped to ask this man what “change” meant, clearly Hussein Obama has no bloody idea as on the odd occasion where he was confronted by a journalist who was not taken in by the con Obama was a stammering stuttering mess.

Hussein Obama is another in the long line of Democrat presidents who promise the world and deliver very little, however this one has managed to trump the lot of them, ultimately he will fail of course and like all those failed democrat’s before him he will seek to blame the republicans for his lack of achievement, he will be aided in this by the media and Hollywood who steadfastly refuse to report any negative stories about Hussein Obama and will continue to do so until the man leaves office.
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January 19, 2009 6:44pm
joeAverage

Shane Cavanagh who owns a (pissant)cafe in Kaikoura called ( STRAWBERRY TREE CAFE) racist PRICK,, (GOOGLE) on the mainland, this cafe has banned zionists ,israels and jews from his cafe, a real man doing his best for our tourist trade, the grumpy hori would approve, we cannot have BRIGHT i mean BRIGHT jews wandering around GODS OWN New Zealand????? i feel a suicide belt muslim comming on
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January 19, 2009 6:45pm
THNRGB

Evening mates…as I relax here with my icey cold Tooheys Extra Dry Platinum or ten, I think to myself, “what a wonderful day!” Indeed it was. And now a beautiful New Zealand sunset awaits…boo on John Key!!
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January 19, 2009 7:02pm
lloydois

Bottom line Big Bruv is you’re a racist a***hole and a clueless one at that. His name’s Barack Obama. If you can’t show him that respect and have to come up with such race baiting drivel as “Hussein Obama” why would any sentient being give your opinions the time of day?

Grow up.
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January 19, 2009 7:10pm
kaye

I agree big bruv. Right from the start Obama was praised as a ‘Great Orator’. That’s not going to make him a great President. It only makes him a good talker—and Talkers are often not Doers.
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January 19, 2009 7:23pm
big bruv

lloydois

Ah yes, the standard “racist” line from those brain dead fuckiwts who are faced with one who dos not share their view of the new messiah.
Hussein is his NAME Lloydois, it is far less insulting than some of the names your left wing pals have come up with for Bush over the years, and please, why on earth should I show the man any respect?, he is a liar, a fraud and soon to be the leader of the free world…god help us.
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January 19, 2009 7:47pm
mara

I wouldn’t be dead for quids; life is too interesting. But you know you are old when you read glosssy promos that fall out of the daily newspaper and realise that you do not have the faintest idea of the function or purpose of the items therein.
I offer the belkin 4 port 54g wireless g rooter or the san disc 8gb micro u3 with usb connector. Black. If this were a cocktail frock, I guess black would be OK.
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January 19, 2009 7:47pm
Tauhei Notts

I was looking on another web site, and got the impression that our country’s education industry was under threat. Long term employees of unversities are being made redundant. I don’t know enough about this and hope that some knowledgable person would comment.
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January 19, 2009 8:33pm
grumpyoldhori

Tauhei Notts, so all those prats who lecture in useless bloody degrees like the arts, media studies , old Icelandic macrame etc will be fired, bloody good.
Maybe they can hire a few more for the degrees we need, like science, engineering etc.
That way will even catch up with that socialist paradise called Finland in what we actually bloody make or design to be made in China.
Christ at this point we have too many of the young leaving uni with a useless piece of paper with sod all skills we NEED.
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January 19, 2009 9:00pm
maurieo

mara

I wonder about how much they know about me when my daily newspaper consistently delivers two phamplets at a time advertising the New Zealand Mens Clinic. Are they trying to tell me something.
The Green Party also saw fit to deliver 2 of the same phamplet at a time during the election, sort of destroyed the save the planet thing for me
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January 19, 2009 9:45pm
joeAverage

shit GRUMPY Hori im a old fart( 60+ skilled) TRADESMAN , BOOK printer training another apprentance (6th)to date, but i could join the 7% dole bludgers list soon hopefuly NOT HORI
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January 19, 2009 10:20pm
John B

Big bruv,
Im not saying you should respect HIM because he’s black, just recognize its a good thing a black guy got to the highest office in the land as this validates the american system. The rest of your attacks are along partisan lines that sees Republican=good, Democrat=bad. This is an alternative to actually thinking about their policies, I suppose.
Could you explain the Hussein thing a bit more? Its not like you refer to G.W Bush as Walker Bush.
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January 19, 2009 10:33pm
Patrick Starr

Hamas leader Ismail Haniya said today;

“God has granted us a great victory, not for one faction, or party, or area, but for our entire people,”

Yeah, I hope Iran are the next country to have a ‘victory’ like that

What a dick!
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January 19, 2009 11:04pm
big bruv

John B

Lets look at one policy of the Democrats shall we, how about the mind numbingly stupid idea of mortgages for those who cannot afford to repay the bloody things, you know, the same mortgages that has seen the world spiral into an economic disaster.
When you look at their policies over the years there is very little that has worked or very little that they actually manage to implement, its just the same old bullshit time after time, hell the Clinton’s managed to win two elections on the back of universal health care yet the bastards never new they would never get it passed.

I still find it amazing that anybody could be excited that Hussein Messiah Obama has been elected as President simply because he is black, as I have said before the colour of the man’s skin should be irrelevant, sadly it seems that is the reason he has been elected rather than because of his polices (of which he has few).

If anything good does come out of his Presidency I would hope that it would mean the end to racist polices such as “positive discrimination”, only an idiot would ever suggest that discrimination of any form can be positive, indeed the fact that we have a black man as leader of the free world should prove that “posited discrimination” is a redundant idea and one that is not and never was required.
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January 20, 2009 7:15am
Glutaemus Maximus

Hamas leader Ismail Haniya said today;

“God has granted us a great victory, not for one faction, or party, or area, but for our entire people,”

Yeah, I hope Iran are the next country to have a ‘victory’ like that

What a dick!

Looks like ‘ Comical Ali’ now runs a training Academy.

They are just lovely folk.

On UK TV main news it showed Sasha Baron Cohen in a Balaclava, and a Lassy band Bandana. He was hilaroious. Loved the Urban Cam Gear.
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January 20, 2009 9:26am
big bruv

I notice that “Bomber” (who does seem to be wrapped up in his own self importance) over at Tumeke seems to be in melt down mode over the last few days, I feel that somebody is going to have to tell the idiot that the Nat’s have the treasury benches for at least the next three years as I do not think he is going to make it unless he calms down a bit.

Having said that, it is fun watching the left piss and moan, they have not yet grasped that the arrogance they continue to show is just one of the reasons they got kicked out in the first place.
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January 20, 2009 11:21am
Glutaemus Maximus

Any way, deep joy.

A point gained at Anfield.

The European Big Hitters didn’t look that flash to-night.
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January 20, 2009 11:26am
Ryan Sproull

I notice that “Bomber” (who does seem to be wrapped up in his own self importance) over at Tumeke seems to be in melt down mode over the last few days, I feel that somebody is going to have to tell the idiot that the Nat’s have the treasury benches for at least the next three years as I do not think he is going to make it unless he calms down a bit.

Yeah, complaining that the media aren’t doing their jobs is for chumps.
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January 20, 2009 11:33am
philu

“..The guy is a total fake, granted he is a bloody good fake, perhaps the best salesman we have seen since Jesus but like Jesus he is selling a lie..”

careful..!..large sibling..!

..lucyna’ll come out of hibernation..

..and whack you with her breastplates..

..if you start calling ‘the big fella’ a liar..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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January 20, 2009 2:12pm
getstaffed

Left field question: Who can/should be refered to as “Right Honourable”? I’m writing to an MP and want to know the protocol.
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January 20, 2009 3:29pm
lloydois

“I still find it amazing that anybody could be excited that Hussein Messiah Obama has been elected as President simply because he is black”

How sad you completely miss the history of the moment big bruv. Even Bush acknowledged it on election day. To make a statement like this shows a gross ignorance of US history……..and such contempt for the American people…to suggest that they voted for Barack simply because he was black.

If you think anbout it long enough the only conclusion one can come to is you’re an idiot.
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January 20, 2009 7:18pm
Atheist1

Iloydois “How sad you completely miss the history of the moment big bruv”.

Exactly. Martin dreamed so that Ruth sat so that Barack ran.

It’s not about whether people voted for him because he was black. It’s about history. 50 years ago he wouldn’t have been able to even drink at the same water fountain as McCain. If even Bush gets that, then wake up BB.
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January 20, 2009 7:31pm
Atheist1

whoops talking of history you better swap Martin and Ruth around in the above quote 🙂
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January 20, 2009 7:39pm
Atheist1

oh christ and I meant Rosa…I give up. I really shouldn’t drink and post 🙂 good night everyone, looking forward to the inauguration 🙂
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January 20, 2009 7:49pm
big bruv

lloydois

You came back for more?, oh well, stupid is as stupid does I guess.

Perhaps I have not made myself clear enough for you, the point about Hussein Messiah Obama being black is irrelevant, indeed only a racist would be excited about the colour of the incoming Presidents skin, as for the history, well it means little to me really other than it proves that the media and Hollywood can and do decide the Presidency of the USA.

Personally, I could not give a toss what colour the Messiah is, it is his politics, his sleazy background, his hard left leaning and his willingness to run a campaign based on nothing more than a slogan is what gets me.

You say that I must have contempt for the American people, well now that is a fair point , I would have to agree that I have contempt for the idiots who voted for Hussein Messiah Obama as they seem to have collectivley agreed to put their brains in a jar and cheer on command.

Now while you are away thinking “about it long enough” (your did take an entire day to reply) try and open your tiny little mind to the prospect that you also might have been conned.

As for me, hell I did not need to think long about it at all, it was clear from that start that you are nothing more than a fool.
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January 20, 2009 7:50pm
big bruv

Atheist

You just don’t get it do you?, for goodness sake, your mindset is somewhere back in the 60’s or 70’s.

It is not important what colour the man is, I would have hoped that we had left all that crap behind years ago, only when people like you stop celebrating the man BECAUSE of his skin colour can we truly say we have defeated racism.

If you want to cheer for his policies (although you will struggle to find one) go right ahead, I support your right to do so, if you want to cheer because you think he is a nice guy then by all means give it your best shot but please…..do not tell me or anybody else who is determined to stamp out racist behaviour and attitudes that I should cheer because the man is black/brown/yellow or white.
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January 20, 2009 7:56pm
big bruv

Have a look at this, it is outstanding.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/?q=content/yep-sigh
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January 20, 2009 9:09pm
Southern Raider

I see Hamas have started torturing and murdering hundreds of Fatah members in Gaza.

The silence from Locke, Minto, the UN and MSM is deafening.
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January 20, 2009 9:58pm
Patrick Starr

Press TV are reporting
“63 suicide bombings, claimed the lives of at least 2,148 people”
in Pakistan in the last year!!

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=83016&sectionid=351020401

so where are the claims of ‘genocide’ now? – Where are the protests? Where are the boycotts?
Why isn’t that Turkish café owner banning Afghans and Pakistanis?
–( of course -it’s Muslims doing it so it’s ok)
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January 20, 2009 10:48pm
lloydois

“history, well it means little to me really other than it proves that the media and Hollywood can and do decide the Presidency of the USA.”

Clearly history means little to you. You are too dumb to have any understanding of it let alone learn anything from it. The politics of the last year seem to have zoomed over your empty wee head and left no imprint at all.

You sure you’re not PhilBest in another incarnation?
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January 21, 2009 12:42am
Atheist1

BB – “f you want to cheer for his policies (although you will struggle to find one) go right ahead, I support your right to do so”

Thanks Big Bruv because I am!! I agree with all his policies and I must admit I haven’t struggled to find any. If Joe Biden had been President with the same policies, I still would have been cheering today.

Couldn’t help watching this morning and cracking up at the idea of Palin taking the oath. She would probably have stopped midsentence, convinced she could see England from the Capitol or something. Thank Christ we didn’t have to witness that. Although it would have made excellent comedy.
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January 21, 2009 6:45am
enough rope

Perhaps I have not made myself clear enough for you, the point about Hussein Messiah Obama being black is irrelevant, indeed only a racist would be excited about the colour of the incoming Presidents skin, as for the history, well it means little to me really other than it proves that the media and Hollywood can and do decide the Presidency of the USA.
So, shut up about it already. Methinks it’s an issue over which Big Bonehead betrays himself by drivelling to excess.
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January 21, 2009 7:16am
getstaffed

HUGE power outage in Wellington. Suburbs I know have been hit include Miramar, Upper Hutt, Newtown, central CBD, Kilbirnie

[DPF: Yay Thorndon okay]
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January 21, 2009 8:37am
big bruv

lloydois

Goodness me, you really are getting all defensive about your man Hussein Messiah Obama, are you a bit concerned that what you laughingly call the “politics of the last year” have all been a con and you are another victim?

Or does the level of abuse you dish out signal that like all pinko’s you will do what ever you can to silence those who do not agree with you?.

Atheist.
You are right, it would have been interesting to see Palin take the VP oath, instead we watched a collection of cliché’s, pipe dreams and the usual bullshit of the democrats regurgitated again.

Having said all that I now await the miracle’s that Hussein Messiah Obama will perform, I expect the financial crisis to be over by the end of the week and a cure for AIDS to be available by the end of he month.
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January 21, 2009 9:36am
getstaffed

From stuff:
Headline: Sea-level threat from melting ice

Leading paragraph: Scientists fear a giant Antarctic ice shelf threatened by global warming will help spark a rise in sea levels if it collapses

Paragraph 3: Tim Naish, of Victoria University’s Antarctic Research Centre, said its collapse would not directly add to rising sea levels. He compared it to an ice cube in a glass of water when the cube melts, the water level does not rise, because the ice cube has already displaced the water.

More bollocks from ‘scientists’ keep to preserve their endless supply of public funds, and more useless ‘reporting’ from ‘journalists’
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January 21, 2009 9:54am
Ryan Sproull

Getstaffed,

That would make more sense if Antarctica was floating in the sea, rather than being an ice-covered continent.
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