General Debate 5 January 2009

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Grant Michael McKenna

All is right with my world, which probably means that some socialist will complain that I am ignoring the injustices of Palestine/whaling/global warming/plastic bags/Iraq/Guantánamo Bay/whatever.
I’m not ignoring them- I just don’t care.
BBQ leftovers for brunch- that is important.
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January 5, 2009 8:08am
aardvark

It’s quiet isn’t it?

I thought “the great Kiwi summer holiday” (when the whole country closed down until late January) had died in the 1990s but based on the number of comments here, and on my own blog, it would appear that plenty of folks are still on holiday today.
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January 5, 2009 9:13am
Turpin

I wonder if they have BarBQ’s in Siouthern Israel or Gaza this time of year?

Thought not PC had it good this morning after listening to RNZ and the other lefty media.

Israel’s response is indeed disproportional. It is disproportionally civilized when compared with the brutality meted out to Israel by Hamas. While Hamas does it’s best to kill Israeli civilians, Israel is reported to be rushing genuine civilian casualties from Gaza to Israel for hospital treatment. Such is the evil of Zion.

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also at Whaleoil a story with a difference, looked for that one in the DomPost !

This post isn’t what you think. It is about the medical aid that has been stranded at the Egyptian border with Gaza, the one border that Israel doesn’t control. The reason?
The Hamas Authorities don’t want to let them in. That’s right, they don’t care enough about their own citizens to get them the aid that they cry out for on television nightly. They don’t have the aid because their government that the lefty apologists for Hamas say is democratically elected won’t open the only border not controlled by Israel because it doesn’t suit their propaganda war.
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January 5, 2009 9:23am
Adolf Fiinkensein

Turpin, you might at least do me the courtesy of attributing my fine prose to the right person!.
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January 5, 2009 9:30am
david

From the “inventing new titles” folder.

Keith Locke is now referred to as SENIOR Green MP Keith Locke by several of the MSM. Co-incidence? Must have come from the press release. Who then will be described as JUNIOR Green MP?

Question: Why would any sane person consider for more than a nanosecond, taking immigrants/refugees PRE-SCREENED for positive indicators as terrorists? Please consider your answers carefully and give 3 valid reasons why Keith Locke should not be instantly committed.
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January 5, 2009 9:36am
Turpin

Adolf
I am sorry and apologise unreservidly.
I open six tabs and guess what Not PC is not one of them!
Its even worse than I thought.
again I apologise.
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January 5, 2009 9:40am
Turpin

1. he’s voted to cover harry Dunhovan retrospectively
2. he’s an MP who voted to penalise Good kiwi parents
3. he supported Helen Clark for 9 years
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January 5, 2009 9:42am
MyNameIsJack

elsewhere the esteemed Mr Farrar wrote “[DPF: Well why don’t you cite some examples where it has worked in getting a regime that is so ideological it stops women from even learning to read, to suddenly agree to change things for the better. Maybe you can cite Mr Chamberlain as your precedent]”

Maybe we need an updated Godwin’s law to take account of the number of times Chamberlain is cited as a supposedly winning hit.

Chamberlain is often maligned, by those with hindsight, as an appeaser of Germany, and yet history shows that England was ill prepared for war with Germany in 1938. By September 1939 there had been some improvement, but still not enough, as the disasterous foray into Europe showed. Chamberlain’s actions may be judged as wrong in hindsight, but at the time he averted an almost certain catastrophe for England and allowed additional time for preparations to be made.

In 1938 the RAF was still mainly equipped with bi-planes, no match for the Luftwaffe, british troops were scattered across the Empire and Dominions, and there was little support for war from any other nation.

It is similar, in fact, to the criticism that the USA didn’t join WW2 earlier. It was those extra divisions of man power in American factories that provided much of the equipment and supplies needed to keep England afloat.
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January 5, 2009 9:44am
Adolf Fiinkensein

Turpin, thanks but once would have been enough.

I sat up and took notice when Radio Left Wing accusingly reported that ‘at least a quarter of the casualties in Gaza are civilians. Nobody seemed to notice that, by inference, at least three quarters of the casualties were Hamas members. Of course in the eyes of the Arab, anyone who is injured is a civilian.

You will not hear or see any publicity adverse to Hamas unless you go searching for it.
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January 5, 2009 9:49am
Turpin

I sadly concur.
I’ve come to the conclusion that becoming an editor means “only lefties and anti-semites wanted”
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January 5, 2009 9:56am
georgebolwing

While many US lawyers continue to make money pursuing pointless courts cases challenging Barak Obama’s election (see http://saveourrights.wikia.com/wiki/Overview), in the real world the strange indirect process by which the US elects its President continues its inexorable progress towards noon on the 20th of January.

On the 13th of December, the various Electors met in 50 state capitals to vote for the president and vice president. As expected, Mr Obama (as he now is) received more than sufficient votes to be elected President. Senator Biden (as he still is) received sufficient votes to be elected Vice President.

The certificates of vote have all been duly submitted to the President of the Senate and the Archivist of the United States, and other designated Federal and State officials and can be viewed at:
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/2008-certificates.

Note that the Secretary of State in each of the 50 states has signed the certificates of vote, despite the numerous law suits seeking to stop them.

Tomorrow (Washington time), the Congress will assemble in joint session to conduct the official tally of electoral votes, at which point the President of the Senate, Dick Chaney, will declare who as been elected President and Vice President.
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January 5, 2009 10:52am
Brian Smaller

“I wonder if they have BarBQ’s in Siouthern Israel or Gaza this time of year?”

No, but thanks to Muslim Yoof in France they have car-b-ques.
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January 5, 2009 11:07am
Ryan Sproull

Brian,

Instructions on doing the pretty quoting are here: http://www.w3schools.com/TAGS/tag_blockquote.asp
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January 5, 2009 11:08am
Patrick Starr

something getting to you Turpin? David asked for 3 valid reasons why Keith Locke should ‘not’ be instantly committed.
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January 5, 2009 11:16am
Inventory2

A tragic start to the season for the Warriors

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/01/sonny-fai-missing.html
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January 5, 2009 11:24am
dime

my god. just read about sonny fai. just tragic 🙁

ive followed his development over the last couple of years, he was going to be a star.

poor bugga .. RIP
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January 5, 2009 12:32pm
Brian Smaller

Brian,

Instructions on doing the pretty quoting are here: http://www.w3schools.com/TAGS/tag_blockquote.asp

Thanks Ryan – been trying to find out how to do that or ages. Why someone gave you a neg karma for that helpful hint I will never know.
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January 5, 2009 12:43pm
Ryan Sproull

Thanks Ryan – been trying to find out how to do that or ages. Why someone gave you a neg karma for that helpful hint I will never know.

I suspect they read no further than my name.
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January 5, 2009 12:46pm
Inventory2

You’re right dime – Fai looked as though he might become another Ali Lau’ititi – great ball-player, big, strong and fast. He will be a big loss.
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January 5, 2009 12:47pm
Turpin

Patrick
oops thank you, missed that, obviously in combatative mode.
it happens.
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January 5, 2009 1:08pm
Turpin

Incidently
melanie phillips at http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=635 reports on the peparations for Durban II this year, already you can see where this is going and the line they are preparing to take to support further non-military attacks on Israel.

That’s why — surreally — the Durban II preparatory committee is chaired by a Libyan, Najat al-Hajjaji, with Iran as the vice-chair, Cuba as the rapporteur and other major human-rights offenders such as Russia and Pakistan also among its members. In short, the UN has turned ‘human rights’ into their antithesis — and specifically into a weapon to destroy the right to statehood of the Jewish people.
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January 5, 2009 1:10pm
Turpin

I’ve never heard of martin lewis before but his post at huffington was interesting historically.
just goes to show history or should I say humans repeat themselves.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-lewis/stop-this-vicious-slaught_b_155039.html
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January 5, 2009 1:45pm
kiwipolemicist

The Tasmanian police really spoilt New Year’s for some people. They put a checkpoint on the only exit from a big party and the queues were more than six hours long.

Clearly “customer relations” has no meaning for state monopolies.

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/update-to-police-checkpoints-breach-the-civil-liberties-of-the-many-to-catch-the-few/
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January 5, 2009 2:04pm
grumpyoldhori

Barbecues in Gaza, why of course there are, the red sea pedestrians have grilled a couple of Arab kids with white phosphorus.Would not want those kids to miss out on all the holiday fun.
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January 5, 2009 7:23pm
joeAverage

Damn those DAMN arab kids could be spin dried along with the HORI kids then power dropped KICKED BOILED,given the HORI bash or the ISLAND bash or SLAP (EQUAL OPPITUNNITY ABUSE), SPUN on a clothes line DAMN those palistinians could survive a HORI (dole bludger) holiday damn KIDS are safer in the strip THAN SOUTH DORKLAND but the hori could BASH life into the youngies make them into young future abusers or taggers (TRUTH HURTS)
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January 5, 2009 9:01pm
joeAverage

What a life , each of these benificeries in the gaza strip seems to have 4 wifes and a million kids, BUT WITH EACH WIFE COMES LOTS OF MOTHERS IN LAW a HORI dole bludger holiday, didnt i see that 80% of the population is under 18 on the strip, DOLE BLUDGERS curtisey ie THE UN , the EU or anyone giving something for nothing LIKE A HAMAS ROCKET LAUNCHER CREW (OPPS DONT BE A SUICIDE BOMBER) be a hori , lots ,for nothing
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January 5, 2009 9:28pm
dad4justice

Can you buy hama or hori sky rockets at Bunnings yet? 🙂
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January 5, 2009 9:37pm
Turpin

And for some truth amognst all the crap we go to

http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=636
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January 5, 2009 9:56pm
Turpin

and some more

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-halevi4-2009jan04,0,1975444.story
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January 5, 2009 10:23pm
maurieo

I saw this article in tonights Waikato Times. I wonder what odds our proposed new TAB betting scheme would give on this occurring!

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Former President George H.W. Bush said on Sunday he’d like to see his second son, Jeb, become President of the United States some day.

Interviewed on Fox News Sunday, Bush said his second son, a former Governor of Florida, had all the qualifications to serve in the White House.

Jeb Bush, 55, has said he was considering running for a U.S. Senate seat representing Florida in 2010. The current incumbent, Republican Mel Martinez, has announced he is stepping down.

“I’d like to see him run. I’d like to see him be president one day, or senator, whatever, yes I would,” said Bush, who served as president from 1989-1993.

“Right now is probably a bad time. We’ve had enough Bushes in there,” he added.

Bush and the current incumbent, George W. Bush, are the second father and son in U.S. history to serve as President. John Adams was the second president and his son, John Quincy Adams, the sixth.

No father has ever been followed by two sons into the White House.

George W. Bush will leave office on Jan. 20 with approval ratings hovering just below 30 percent in many polls, some of the lowest of any president in history.
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