General Debate 3 January 2009

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Turpin

Does anyone here think that China, Russia, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia don’t know where their arms and monies are going and how it’s going to be used?
No country should accept anyone letting bombs off in their territory and has the duty and right to respond to stop it happening again, So what’s the difference with missiles or mortars into their towns?
Sure they may be inaccurate and hit and miss but the terror created isn’t.
How would we respond if we had 300 missiles come in 24/7 last week and the previous months?
Meanwhile we sit with our lattes and pontificate on the excesses of both sides whilst our government arms and aids the terrorists in our name.
Every dollar sent as humanitarian aid by the EU, UN and other countries including ours is a dollar Hamas doesn’t spend on providing infrastructure to their people.
Every dollar we send the terrorists from Kiwi taxes that we don’t hold them properly accountable for, is a dollar that finances terrorism against another democratic state, and we are complicit in this, because we all know what it is being used for, including everyone in the Beehive.
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January 3, 2009 10:18am
Michael E

China and Russia must know that any small arms and man-carried weapons they sell to Iran and Syra will end up in Gaza, Lebanon and the West Bank. The Egyptian Government is generally trying to keep arms out of Gaza, as is Jordan trying to keep them out of the West Bank. But corruption and sympathetic officials are letting arms in.
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January 3, 2009 10:26am
side show bob

More questions on Obama and if he is a true yank have come to light, very interesting. Go to (www.investergatingobama.blogspot.com) sorry don’t know how to post a link.
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January 3, 2009 11:01am
cha

Well Turpin you’ll have to tell me why the US isn’t held responsible for the munitions used in the IEDs that have killed upwards of 2100 US soldiers. And here’s a tip, google “Zapata Engineering”
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January 3, 2009 11:10am
MT_Tinman

Try http://www.investigatingobama.blogspot.com instead. That works.

But “interesting”?
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January 3, 2009 11:15am
Jack5

Further evidence that the Families Commission is useless and a waste of taxpayer money appears in an NZPA article printed in today’s ( 3rd January) Christchurch Press and presumably in other newspapers.

It says a commission study has found people often discuss relationship problems with family, friends, and professionals rather than with “professional counsellers”.

They spent money to establish this!!!!!

This commission is an insult to taxpayers and this study confirms how air-headed the commission’s instigator, Peter Dunne, is.
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January 3, 2009 12:33pm
joeAverage

Having just put my grand daughter down for her nap (2 yo ) born on my 58th birthday,we are having this naughty 2yo.I played 5 little pigs on her toes and i thought WHY DO THE MAORIS AND PACIFICA beat, burn spin, dry put on clothes lines scald rape ETC ETC ETC these little joys WHAT THE FUCK ARE THESE PRIMATIVE CRETINS missing in their genes ,.Are they just stupid because the bro are just stupid OPPS THATS THE REASON, I deserve demerites but i would fight to the death to protect this little joy. FUCK there are fuckwits in pacifica who do body slams on 2 yo, I KNOW WHY THEY WEAR THEIR DESIGNER CAPS SIDEWAYS brains are fucked up due to cap tightness
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January 3, 2009 2:18pm
joeAverage

Im sorry folks for loosing my rag,i love my 2 grandchildren and struggle when i look at my beautiful Alyssa and think a child her age was spin dried,god under the clark reign children were treated as nothing ,NOTHING , ,only treated as something to GET A BIGGER BENIFIT and more woodstock and lion red (GAG)
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January 3, 2009 2:36pm
PhilBest

Could someone who is not a lefty troll please explain why negative karma was the only result of this comment?

PhilBest (3955) Vote: 0 2 Says:

January 2nd, 2009 at 10:04 am
The subject of “homeless” people is often dragged up by bleeding heart lefties as an illustration of how heartless the USA or some other country that they despise, is. Invariably, the comparison is with Sweden or even with Communist nations, where, apparently, “equality” is such a wonderful thing that there are NO “homeless” people at all, not one to be seen…….beautiful, utopia, paradise. Presumably NZ, with people like the blanket man and the bucket man and the cat lady and similar characters, falls into the category of heartless non-egalitarian countries that have not compassionately lifted such people up to the level of the rest of us by throwing taxpayers money at them.

The harsh reality that these bleeding heart lefties are wilfully ignoring, is that in Sweden and the other countries they name, characters like the blanket man are simply not permitted to exist outside an institution in which they are incarcerated. In the harsher countries, like the Communist ones, all the people who would have been “homeless” in Wellington or New York, are in slave labour camps, usually not lasting long there either before ending up 6 feet under. Living without actually working, not being an option in North Korea and the former USSR and other such caring, egalitarian utopias.

The whole point is not the “caring”, but the “freedom”. Read “The Reclaimation of Skid Row”, by Heather MacDonald, to understand how the “rights” and “civil liberties” issues, backed up by a whole lot of bleeding heart social agencies and lawyers (that Heather MacDonald calls “the Homeless “Industry”), that grant these people the “right” to live on the street. It is an eye-opener.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_4_skid_row.html
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January 3, 2009 2:48pm
Owen McShane

Many of us predicted that if the AGW theory proved to be just another scare to add to all the previous ones the anti civilisation brigade would find another reason to demonise carbon dioxide and hence continue to wage war on the use of fossil fuels especially by developing nations trying to take their place in the sun.
It hasn’t taken long. We are getting increasing numbers of press releases and panic claims about the acidification of the oceans from the excess CO2 in the atmosphere. (which assumes an optimum).
Apparently the coral reefs will die – again. They were going to drown because of rising seas but of course they rise and fall to match the sea level which is why they have been around so long.
First the pH of the oceans is not constant but varies from place to place. So if the average pH falls then some places depart further from the average while others mover closer to it. Any effects will be site dependent.
BUT, here is the characteristic signature of the Alarmist. They talk of the acidification of the oceans which implies the oceans are turning acid and naturally more acidity is bad. Drinking battery acid is not good for your health.
But in reality the oceans are alkaline – i.e. their pH is higher than 7.0 which is neutral.
Seawater typically varies from pH 7.5 to 8.5, with an average around 8 (7.8 to be pedantic). This means that the oceans are alkaline. Surface waters (warm) have a pH closer to 8.5, and deep waters (cold) have a pH closer to 7.5.
Due to the chemical reactions that occur, seawater is heavily buffered. This means that it is difficult to permanently change the pH by adding acids or bases. However, there are localised variations. At the surface these are due to temperature changes and biological activity, and at depth they are controlled by pressure and advection (movement of water with varying
concentrations of dissolved gases).
The correct term for what they claim is going on is the reduced alkinity of the ocean – not the increased acidity. Go to the chemicals which control your spa pool and you will find their labels are correct. They talk of pH decreases and alkilinity increasers.
Even Wikipedia acknowledges this when it says: Note that, although the ocean is acidifying, its pH is still greater than 7 (that of neutral water), so the ocean could also be described as becoming less alkaline.
This is serious corruption of scientific language by these new wave alarmists – but what would you expect?
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January 3, 2009 3:08pm
Glutaemus Maximus

Jeremy Clarkson has an article which is indeed nail on head time again!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/columnists/clarkson/article2091008.ece
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January 3, 2009 3:48pm
kaye

PhilBest: I read that article on Skid Row and I don’t understand that bleeding heart leftie mentality either. What is so wrong with expecting people to take responsibility for their own lives and situation? They are adults, for god’s sake. I can’t imagine living with the attitude that I was the victim of a cruel system and was being ‘oppressed’.

However, the Bleeding-hearters like to treat them like that because it makes them feel better (they are ‘helping’ someone) and because it feeds their egos by reinforcing how clever they are and that ‘they know best’. (Oh yes, we’ve heard that recently in New Zealand.) They are the ones who are keeping these people down (on the streets), not the system, the government or our society.
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January 3, 2009 6:48pm
joeAverage

The SLACK CAPS are going down in a flaming heap
121 for 7 in the 24th over. 🙁 🙁 watching my painting dry is far more exciting
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January 3, 2009 7:55pm
dad4justice

joe – I am at the match because it’s free now after the golf ball size hail fucked things up. What a bunch of fucking wimps, do they have any real balls or do they need another psychologist to stuff their heads up? Talk about soft cocks. Bring back Buck and Hadlee.
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January 3, 2009 8:01pm
joeAverage

The GREENIE MP KIETH LOCKIE as NZ first suicide bomber WILL DEMOSTRATE SUICIDE BELT BOMBING on PETONES warf and John MINTO his mentor will demostrate a bomb belt going of on KIETH LOCKIE (a idiot) at the end of the warf , john Minto will set the belt off and LOCKIE will show the results BOTH are FUCKWIT IDIOTS, vote green vote dispair.MINTO is avaliable for ANY PROTEST THAT YOU WANT, a pro protester minto will kick kids and little dogs
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January 4, 2009 2:28pm
joeAverage

The FUCK WIT slackcaps lost by ONE ball sigh WAS HELEN CLARK/DAVIS motivating them.I want to know why people support a team of worries ITS A WORRY.I WORRY, WE ALL WORRY ,THE SLACK CAPS SHOULD WORRY THE COUNTRY WORRIES. South Africa and Australia LAUGHS
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January 4, 2009 2:44pm

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