General Debate 12 January 2008

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wreck1080

Telecom have just pulled the plug on Ferrit. I only ask why it took so long…..

Have all Theresa Gattungs commercial decisions failed (see aapt, ferrit)? She was pretty good where telecom had a monopoly though 🙂
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January 12, 2009 1:15pm
Frank

2008 was notable for the failure US Corporate Banks. Now that the recession is here how many more of the remaining few will fall. These banks are refusing to say how the “Billions of dollars of rescue funds thrown at them will be used?
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January 12, 2009 1:25pm
Inventory2

This morning’s anti-Transmission Gully Dom-Post editorial was interesting…

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/01/unaffordable-pipedream.html
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January 12, 2009 1:29pm
MyNameIsJack

gattung was certainly an expensive CEO.

“Ms Gattung left Telecom NZ with a special payment of $NZ1.8 million, which included a bonus for “revised restraint of trade favourable to the company”. She also received a salary of $NZ3.3 million for the year, which included performance and long-term incentives of $NZ2.07 million. Her total pay a year earlier was $NZ2.2 million.”

And remember, these “bonuses” are paid before all the chickens have time to roost.

Of course, her repalcement has hardly set the world on fire, but he pulls in half a mil more than she did. Just what DOES he do to earn it?
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January 12, 2009 1:32pm
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January 12, 2009 1:39pm
dime

Ferrit was never going to work. I met with them when they started. When they said they wouldnt enter into discounting like amazon.. i decided to stay away.

typical boring telecom. offer stuff on a website at full price and charge a heap of freight.
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January 12, 2009 1:49pm
MyNameIsJack

GE Money has run out of money …

CREDIT-CARD companies are notorious for pushing customers to increase their credit limits but at least one has bucked the trend because of the financial crisis.

GE Money, which is behind cards such as the Coles Group Card, the Myer Visa Card, GE Money Mastercard and interest-free store cards for furniture retailers including Super A-Mart, has made a ”strategic decision” to limit some customers’ spending potential.

Financial expert Noel Whittaker said the response to the credit crunch shows how much the finance giant is suffering.

”Basically what this means is that GE doesn’t have the money to keep lending to people and so they have to restrict what their customers can spend,” Mr Whittaker said.

”You could say they’re being responsible by capping people’s debt but that won’t be why they’re doing it. They’ll be doing it because they’ve run out of money.”

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/articles/2009/01/11/1231608495181.html
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January 12, 2009 2:10pm
Peter

Ferrit sucked from day one. A truly clueless e-commerce play….
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January 12, 2009 2:16pm
bearhunter

Not sad to see the back of Ferrit, not least because it will mean an end to that sinister fucker who used to do the ads. I bet he’s got a clown suit in his wardrobe somewhere.
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January 12, 2009 3:23pm
mike12

I may have missed it but can anyone tell me what became of those wine stealing Labour staffers?
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January 12, 2009 3:39pm
redeye

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/juha/6120

“Ferrit did everything wrong, starting with the .com variant of the domain name ending up with a domain squatter that put up a porn site on it to writing “consumer reviews” of products themselves.”
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January 12, 2009 3:47pm
Owen McShane

The Sixties.
I am about to start writing my essay on “the Age of Environmentalism” which began in the sixties and which followed what I have decided to call the Age of Conflict which followed the generally recognised Age of Napolean.

As late as the mid fifties Isaiah Berlin was able to write that the history of modern political ideas was all based on political theories developed during the Age of the Enlightenment and which were forged in the crucible of the French Revolution.
He never foresaw that the next decade would bring together a set of political ideas which would turn that whole “tradition” on its head.

I was at Berkeley in the late sixties and observed or participated in all the “events” which we generally associate with that decade but I do not know of anyone who has recognised that the sixties actually gave birth to the most powerful political ideology of the last fifty years.

One of the challenges (which I believe I have finally resolved) is how to show that Rouseau’s “greenness” was nothing to do with the beliefs of the Green movement today. His Romantic ideals referred to nature but nature was to be drawn as a resource to enable to man to achieve the Enlightenment progress towards perfectibility.
If you want to see Rousseau’s position spelled out in plain “language” watch “the Darling Buds of May”.
Rousseau’s core belief was Liibertarian – man had to perfectly free from coercion but he believed that could only work in he listened to the voice of nature.
The sixties arguments included the case for World Government. (Along with Nature being at risk, fossil fuel global warming, hatred of the motor car and the need for a new “sustainable” economy.)
The idea of a world government was total anathema to Rousseau so he would not have had a bar of current environmentalism.

Should be fun. And I look forward to any comments or critiques or useful thoughts.
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January 12, 2009 3:54pm
NeillR

Key’s going to have to grow some balls. I note that he’s quoted in the Herald as saying his ministers will be meeting this week following criticism that they aren’t reacting fast enough to the economic crisis.

If he’s going to be anything more than a one-term wonder he needs to begin stamping HIS authority on issues and not have an agenda set by the media or failed Labour politicians.
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January 12, 2009 3:56pm
MyNameIsJack

mike, they’re innocent.
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January 12, 2009 3:57pm
Owen McShane

MInd you the tax collector also focused on the marvellous derriere of Catherine Zeta Jones – which no doubt reinforced the message from the nightingales.
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January 12, 2009 3:58pm
goodgod

Rousseau’s core belief was Liibertarian – man had to perfectly free from coercion but he believed that could only work in he listened to the voice of nature.

That should be interesting, since man adhering to many natural laws, or even attempting to interpret and apply natural laws, would be recognised by human consciousness as a coercive philosophy. How to escape the pathetic fallacy or anthropomorphism? Alternately, man would need a god to interpret nature for him. Again, god’s laws are percieved as coercion.

So you’re going to write the next great religious philosophy? 😉
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January 12, 2009 4:07pm
Ruth

Interesting post @3.54 McShane.

As a keen foodie and occasional food writer I am interested in this topic from the foodie perspective. For example there is a great deal of rubbish written about ‘rustic’ food such as shepherd’s pie. This dish originated as part of the post-industrial nostalgia for the countryside, which was rearing its head in Victorian times.

A lot of environmentalism is just a sentimentality for a non-existant world – as later manifested by 4WD vehicles among urban dwellers 🙂
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January 12, 2009 4:30pm
big bruv

FFS, somebody needs to remind Key that he won the fucking election.

He does not need to play the game by Klarks rules any longer nor does he need to jump whenever she barks.

This rushing back to Wellington for a meeting with his cabinet ministers is bullshit, he looks like he is reacting to a story in the Herald or reacting to the words of a thoroughly discredited ex PM.

A word to the wise Mr Key, Kiwi’s like strong decisive PM’s, they (kiwi’s) are dumb enough to elect people like Klark simply because she came across as strong, if you want to stay as PM then you need to harden up and stop reacting to every utterance the ex PM makes or every slightly negative story in the Herald.
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January 12, 2009 4:40pm
Owen McShane

Goodgod,
One of the problems of writing anything about Rousseau’s philosophy is that it is full of contradictions. I sometimes wonder if that is what inspired Marx to focus on the “contradictions of capitalism”.

Rousseau seems to be saying that if we listen to the voice of nature (for which the nightingales are the metaphor in the Darling Buds,) then we will not be coerced because we will fall into a natural harmony – any more than a jazz fan is coerced when he taps his feet to Oscar Peterson.
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January 12, 2009 4:55pm
Glutaemus Maximus

Just watch the UK economy go right down the drain.

Totally the fault of the Gay Gordon Brown.

Got a good economy, want it properly screwed? Elect Labour.

Works every time.

85% tax on any excess of personal pension funds lifetime allowance.

IRD is hunting everyone, for everything as they have no money.
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January 12, 2009 5:45pm
goodgod

A lot of environmentalism is just a sentimentality for a non-existant world – as later manifested by 4WD vehicles among urban dwellers

or the fashion of buying brand new artificially dirty jeans

or “stressed” clothing full of holes.
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January 12, 2009 6:20pm
wreck1080

uk is buggered …… last week, the kiwi nearly reached the highest it has been against the pound in the last decade… and, this is a time when the kiwi is very week.

Labour own the UK…
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January 12, 2009 6:23pm
joeAverage

AHH i get it , if you walk out of a (DO) over and over again with cheap nasty sparkling wine under your jacket , hidden , and put it in your car (you are innocent)???? JACKOFF says so its all right they are innocent (lets not cause waves),WHAT jackoff its called STEALING ie ripping off some ones property jackoff ripping off people isnt nice ,are you a liarbour supporter, ARE YOU ON A BENIFIT or something,is ripping off in your genes
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January 12, 2009 6:27pm
Ryan Sproull

AHH i get it , if you walk out of a (DO) over and over again with cheap nasty sparkling wine under your jacket , hidden , and put it in your car (you are innocent)???? JACKOFF says so its all right they are innocent (lets not cause waves),WHAT jackoff its called STEALING ie ripping off some ones property jackoff ripping off people isnt nice ,are you a liarbour supporter, ARE YOU ON A BENIFIT or something,is ripping off in your genes

It’s like all the question marks that were meant for the questions at the end got snagged on the parentheses in the second line.
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January 12, 2009 6:46pm
billyborker

Its really just like JoeAverage is channelling Sarah “pit bull with lipstick” Palin.

I wonder what newspapers Joe reads? All of them?

Here Joe, you need some more ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? feel free to use them in all your posts.
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January 12, 2009 7:10pm
joeAverage

HI BORKER LONG TIME NO INSULT 🙂
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January 12, 2009 7:15pm
joeAverage

good one guys, RS luv the big words um ??? what did you say?? , im a tradesman printer and i dont think Mr Farrar gets to many REAL WORKING NZs on his blog (they get demerited off) to many overeducated people with a lot of theory AND NO LIFE SKILLS ps luv demerites it shows i dont toe the line 🙂
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January 12, 2009 7:28pm
dad4justice

You know joeA, demerits give me the screaming shits. I am always coping them, however in the real world I would knock a billy borker type creep into Kingdom Come. Instead of demerits I would receive a medal.

Ryan – do you want me to make you cry again?
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January 12, 2009 7:38pm
Ratbiter

“in the real world I would knock a billy borker type creep to Kingdom Come.”

I’ve always noticed that fights come to those who pick them, myself…
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January 12, 2009 7:40pm
dad4justice

Go eat some rat poison and get back to me.
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January 12, 2009 7:42pm
Ryan Sproull

Oh, D4J, I wouldn’t break our gentlemen’s agreement and hassle you if it was you posting like that.

It was just too cute for me to pass up. Anyway, JoeAverage just made up for all of that by saying “toe the line”. You’d be surprised how many people foolishly write “tow the line”.

I apologise, JoeAverage. Grammar and stuff are my trade, and I guarantee I’d do a right shitty job of being a tradesman printer. Little things crack me up sometimes, and I didn’t mean it to be a personal attack. I just liked how all the question marks were bunched in one place.
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January 12, 2009 7:46pm
Ryan Sproull

And if I started trying to correct grammar in this place, Philu would leave me too exhausted to move on to anyone else.
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January 12, 2009 7:47pm
dad4justice

“I’ve always noticed that fights come to those who pick them, myself…”

For example; Hama Rockets into Israel. Talk about a easy rat trap catch. Give me a lefty debater and I will have them in tears in less than a minute.
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January 12, 2009 7:48pm
Ratbiter

You got me there dad. I sure learned my lesson this time. Damn…

You really are a frighteningly deranged individual. It is quite alarming to think you are entrusted with nurturing our future generations…
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January 12, 2009 7:49pm
Ryan Sproull

Though I probably wouldn’t even have energy left for Philu if I acted on my impulse to strangle everyone I meet who uses “text” to mean the past tense of “text”.
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January 12, 2009 7:50pm
dad4justice

Must go, the Warden wants his computer back.

Nice edit ratdick, you are a loser. You always get low and nasty when beaten. It’s the lefty way. By the way Sir Redbaiter craps all over you.
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January 12, 2009 7:52pm
Ratbiter

“By the way Sir Redbaiter craps all over you.”

Only in your perverted fantasies 😉

Bit of a fan of faecal play then are you?
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January 12, 2009 7:55pm
dad4justice

Edit time ratshit.
Finished yet. Talk about a toilet tapper.
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January 12, 2009 7:57pm
joeAverage

Thank you RS a gentle man and a scholar, and its not a windup, sorry i use upper case(SHOUT) etc in wild abandonment a lot,sorry to you purist, im sorry, im me. a older poster conversing
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January 12, 2009 8:02pm
Ryan Sproull

Thank you RS a gentle man and a scholar, and its not a windup, sorry i use upper case(SHOUT) etc in wild abandonment a lot,sorry to you purist, im sorry, im me. a older poster conversing

No worries, Joe. Probably better to be an older poster conversing than a grammar Nazi whining, like myself.
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January 12, 2009 8:09pm
joeAverage

dad ,please dont overeact, you are a good poster and doint need to overreact to CHEAP snids,and you have a good message, PS be a printer ,if your arse wasnt thick you would die from the windups, you need a arse 25mm thick no 50mm thick THEY ARE HARD OUT THERE, REAL WORKERS ,using hands AND brains MAKING NZ WORK
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January 12, 2009 8:21pm
billyborker

joeAverage (84) Vote: 1 0 Says:

January 12th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
good one guys, RS luv the big words um ??? what did you say?? , im a tradesman printer
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Ryan Sproull (1216) Vote: 1 0 Says:

January 12th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
I apologise, JoeAverage. Grammar and stuff are my trade, and I guarantee I’d do a right shitty job of being a tradesman printer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well, grammar and spelling should be stock in trade for a tradesman printer. It’s because of tradesmen printers who don’t understand spelling and grammar that every second word ending in s carries an apostrophe.
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January 12, 2009 8:22pm
billyborker

dad4justice (4630) 0 1 Says:

January 12th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
You know joeA, demerits give me the screaming shits. I am always coping them, however in the real world I would knock a billy borker type creep into Kingdom Come.
>>>>>>>>>>.
Yes, once again a shining example of xtian anger and violence. What happened to love thy neighbour and turn the other cheek?
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January 12, 2009 8:24pm
Ryan Sproull

Well, grammar and spelling should be stock in trade for a tradesman printer. It’s because of tradesmen printers who don’t understand spelling and grammar that every second word ending in s carries an apostrophe.

apostrophe. noun. punctuation mark which warns the reader than an S is imminent.
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January 12, 2009 8:27pm
dad4justice

“xtian anger and violence”

Really, fugley troll. Great to see you banned from NZ Conservative. What a sad life you live.
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January 12, 2009 8:30pm
joeAverage

billyborker go to the toliet and have a CRAP , its all backing up in your head, are you a troll .do you know what a bogg is , go and relieve your self borker, as you are talking crap
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January 12, 2009 8:57pm
wikiriwhis business

“political theories developed during the Age of the Enlightenment and which were forged in the crucible of the French Revolution.”

will history repeat itself in America. The only thing missing is the statement “Let them eat cake.”

But this time when the peasants revolt, the hierarchy will be ready. In fact they’re already prepared to destroy the masses.

Depopulation was advised way back in the seventies by Kissinger. He got it wrong, there should really be depoliticians.
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January 12, 2009 9:05pm
Jack5

joeAverage writes: “im a tradesman printer ..”

Hell Joe, if you work for Fairfax or the NZ Herald mob and the bosses spot these posts you’ll be an executive immediately.

Great spoof though. Or should we say grate SPOOFE tho?????????????????
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January 12, 2009 9:05pm
joeAverage

billy and jackoff ,you could use both of your hands mutually to keep yourselfs happy, and keep your hands away from keyboards, and not bore real posters, remember your perversions are now legal thanks to the bitch clark nee DAVIS, DEPARTED 🙂 🙂 there is justice if you wait HA
damn why do i run a speedmaster, i have talent (NOT) here 🙂
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January 12, 2009 9:09pm
francis

Hey, Key isn’t “rushing” to anything. It’s positively significant, though, that on his return the first thing he does is convene the ministers who have to do with the budget. This isn’t dog whistle. It’s real life.
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January 12, 2009 9:18pm
joeAverage

ps its all disk to plate etc etc in printing ie computers up to my 4th apprentice, some old fart (ME)has to spread the knowledge to the next level, luv computers, ps my old dunger at home is 2gh ram 160hd dell SIGH but i game (NEED FOR SPEED) luv speed
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January 12, 2009 9:24pm
billyborker

Maybe if you did less speed you’d be more intelligible. Just say no to the drugs, joe.
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January 12, 2009 9:38pm
Patrick Starr

“What happened to love thy neighbour and turn the other cheek?”
Hey Billy barking. Is this the kind of gang up, school yard bully stuff? Tell us, what do you do for work? – what kind of work are you employed in if you think you’re ‘above’ the work of a printer tradesman?

BTW, Have you got any comments on your blog yet? Not even family – or ‘friends’?
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January 12, 2009 9:58pm
Brian Smaller

Jeez Ryan – I am starting to like you.
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