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December 5, 2008 8:11am by David Farrar

General Debate 5 December 2008

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Ryan Sproull

Or will I have to worship graven images in secret?

I told you to stop calling me that!
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December 5, 2008 3:32pm
bearhunter

Heh. Sorry RS, you know what I’m like when I get in a religious frenzy…
Anyway, must get back to my lookout atop the mountain. I’m keeping an eye out for the next invaders. Sounds like they’ll be here soon.
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December 5, 2008 3:34pm
AG

“The next invaders are likely to be less accommodating towards native spiritual values than the British have been.”

I think J5 means the Australians are coming …
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December 5, 2008 3:37pm
bearhunter

“I think J5 means the Australians are coming …”

I hope they bring jobs money and batsmen.
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December 5, 2008 3:39pm
AG

But leave their league coach at home
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December 5, 2008 3:40pm
grumpyoldhori

Dime, what are your download speeds during the free download time like ?
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December 5, 2008 3:46pm
labrator

“e hia kē nga motokā”

Kei te pai to mohio e hoa!

Poneke is a transliteration of Port Nicholson, the original colonial name for Wellington.

Tamaki-makau-rau is the generally accepted Maori name for Auckland.
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December 5, 2008 3:52pm
dime

grumpy – pretty good! i set my download manager to start at 1am.. i can easily bring down 2 gig a night!
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December 5, 2008 3:58pm
Jack5

Ryan Sproull wrote:`Yes, the “quit whining about the assault – some people would have MURDERED you!” defence.’

Another version might be quit whining about my grandfather’s assault, yours would have EATEN him”

But seriously, how long can we go around feeling apologetic for what our great-great-grandfathers did or didn’t do four or more generations ago? At least the new Asian and Middle Eastern people can’t be saddled with this guilt trip.

And what about the raids, the enslavement, the murder, the cannibalism visited on the Ngai Tahu by northern tribes. Is there a different moral ruler by which they are measured?
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December 5, 2008 4:08pm
AG

It’s not a question of individual guilt for our forefather’s actions. No-one is asking you (or any other private individual) to go in sackcloth and ashes to the local Marae and do penance. It’s a question of how can we structure our society so as to recognise the genuine grievances our history has given us, while forming compromises that allow us to move forward in unison. That involves each side giving a little – so we have Aoraki/Mt Cook.

As for “the raids, the enslavement, the murder, the cannibalism visited on the Ngai Tahu by northern tribes” – that, I would suggest, is a matter for Ngai Tahu to take up. And they have proven to be remarkably forgiving … after all, we have Ka mate, Ka mate performed at All Black tests in the South all the time.
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December 5, 2008 4:14pm
Ryan Sproull

But seriously, how long can we go around feeling apologetic for what our great-great-grandfathers did or didn’t do four or more generations ago? At least the new Asian and Middle Eastern people can’t be saddled with this guilt trip.

Not forever, I agree. When it comes to that stuff, I’m only concerned with the generational consequences, not guilt.
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December 5, 2008 4:21pm
big bruv

Dime

You download 2 gigs of porn EVERY night!

I thought you newly weds did not need that sort of stimulus.
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December 5, 2008 4:42pm
big bruv

AG

“It’s a question of how can we structure our society so as to recognise the genuine grievances our history has given us”

You can structure it all you like however the truth is that non Maori NZer’s are not going to play this game until Maori stop using colonisation as an excuse for their appalling stats in crime, drugs, child abuse, unemployment, infanticide, alcohol abuse, academic performance and health.

I cannot believe that any sane rational person could be conned into believing this is all the result of something that happened over one hundred years ago, shame on the sickly white liberals who fell for this bullshit.
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December 5, 2008 4:47pm
Jack5

AG talks about recognising grievances.

That’s what’s wrong! There’s no problem with trying to give everyone an even economic break no matter what family, race, or religion they are born into, but grievance is a nebulous, harmful concept.

It’s the crap that makes Scots dream madly the union with Britain holds them back and the illusion that for Basque extremists justifies bomb murders. Contrast such malevolent nasties with the heroes with physical disadvantages who, rather than brooding and feeding each other’s misery, valiantly try to overcome, or at least balance, these handicaps.

Grievance is turning New Zealanders into a nation of whingers when we used to be a country of doers. It’s much broader than Maori grievances. It’s the endless whingeing about hospital mishaps, it’s about how psychiatrists who have failed to magically foretell the future and prevent murders by psychos, it’s about cops without extrasensory powers to prevent crime, and it’s about a belief that he state can somehow fix everything and make the country a paradise, if only this mysterious “state” wants to.
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December 5, 2008 4:56pm
dime

newlywed? what makes ya think anyone would have Dime?
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December 5, 2008 5:17pm
grumpyoldhori

AG, as one of THE people who lives in the SI. I am very well mannered around Nga Tahu types, I never pick my teeth 🙂
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December 5, 2008 8:56pm
grumpyoldhori

Dime, damn are you as ugly as the average rugby hooker, OK do this , when you ask a young lady out hand her a paper bag when you arrive to pick her up.
Thats is to save her from any embarrasment if the one on your head comes off.

Hence the term, double bagger.
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December 5, 2008 9:01pm
expat

>>virtualmark (539) Vote: 4 0 Says:

>>December 5th, 2008 at 9:35 am
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expat, I’d expect that ACC will come out of the current economic crisis with better investment returns than nearly anyone else in NZ. They have a very big weighting into fixed interest (which will mark-to-market quite well now that interest rates are dropping) and cash (which could do nicely on a falling exchange rate) and are comparatively underweight on listed equities and property (both of which are getting hammered). They’ll quite likely still post a loss this financial year, but I suspect it might be a lot smaller one than their peers have to cope with.
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Good points V.Mark.I havent had a look at their portf. weightings. When you say comparatively underweight re: equities and prop, any idea of rough % of portf?
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December 5, 2008 9:44pm
WebWrat

Reminds me of a story when I was working at Mount Cook.

A Mount Cook Airlines 748 was flying down the Tasman Glacier and an American lady asked a hostee:

“Say Miss, is Mount Cook named after Captain Cook?”

The hostee ums and ahs for a few seconds and then replies, “Nooo … I don’t think we have a Captain Cook flying for us!”

LOL!
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December 5, 2008 10:12pm
Camryn

US Fart Tax? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081205/ap_on_bi_ge/farm_scene_cow_tax_2
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