General Debate 28 October 2008

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PinkGina

A good series of discussions this afternoon….

Adolf – bang on.

Clearly the most vicious moral of the present financial crises facing the planet is “living on debt with no leeway.”

How this is played out politically is, while facinating, also crucial to the future success of our economy and as SlightlyRightly points out, those that are best equipped to manage the fall is what is important right now.

Ironically NZ’s position and timing could not be better, we have an election to get it right.

And get it right we must
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October 28, 2008 2:37pm
Redbaiter

Would you ever see anything like this from the limp socialist lamers who call themselves the media in NZ??

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/10/27/video-megyn-kelly-goes-nuclear-on-obama-stooge/
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October 28, 2008 2:38pm
Redbaiter

“You’re beyond help PhilBest. Just take a bex and have a good lie down sweetie. You’re going to need it after next Wednesday.”

Go way you small child. Just so pathetic. Phil provides the information you have no answer to, and you’ve just proved it.
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October 28, 2008 2:40pm
david

Hey Adolf, while the topic is live, do you think we will see here what happened in Oz during the last downturn in house prices seeing as how the mortgage market is dominated y Australian managed banks.

As it was told to me by one who was affected, the first step was that the banks were mighty unwilling to take the actual losses on overcapitalised homes into their balance sheets and were as co-operative as hell to help the homeowner re-arrange his finances.

They would even help complete renovations, offer budgeting advice and be really nice etc all the while encouraging the homeowner to get the mortgage value down to the new market value. Once they knew that the mortgage was secure they started lowering the boom in a wholesale manner and forced sales in order to get their liquidity back up a bit. Those who had busted their asses to save their homes were the hardest hit as a result.

This may have been because in turn they were being pressured by those who had lent to them. It was though, followed inevitably by a push to lend the newly found cash and away it went again.

Moral of the story – owe the bank far more than they could possibly recover by selling you up, you will remain their best friend only so long as they need to keep you solvent.
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October 28, 2008 2:42pm
Lee

Assuming he wins, Obama will not last a full term. His policies and those of the Congressional Dems (such as the ‘Fairness Doctrine’ which is a thinly disguised attempt to shut down independent right wing media, and laws to restrict gun ownership) will lead to civil war.
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October 28, 2008 2:43pm
grumpyoldhori

Lee, so 79% believe the Nats should go into coalition with those primitive tribal types as you put it.
So will the Nats entrench those primitive tribal seats as labour will do, or would they prefer to stay in opposition ?
You see one thing about the Nats, they seem to have a lot of immigrant idiots who manage to put their feet in their mouths.
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October 28, 2008 2:44pm
lloydois

Sorry Redebaiter but if you believe his drivel you’re just as retarded and delusional as he is. But then we knew that. I just love the way you come across all serious and patronising whilst your belief system has clearly collapsed around your very small brain, completely clueless as to the changed political landscape unfolding before your eyes.

If you are as smart as you think you are you’d realise what a fruit loop PhilBest is.
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October 28, 2008 2:46pm
CraigM

Dime asked : “did you listen to the tape? ”

I’m picking a big “no” from Redeye on that one. Once you listen to the tape, there is no defending its content. That would put Redeye in an embarrassing situation, so best not to listen and continue to pretend it doesn’t exist.

Lloydois: suggesting PhilB needs a lie down is all fine and good, but it would be nice if you were to come up with a comment on the topic, or does the above apply to you also? just easier to pretend what you don’t like doesn’t exist. It is simpler to make personal attacks than to defend the indefensible isn’t it?

I really would love to hear someone defend Obama’s comments on that tape. Of course that means admitting that you are a communist/marxist which is not easy to do, even in this socialist la la land.

just wondering.
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October 28, 2008 2:48pm
roger nome

“Phil provides the information you have no answer to, and you’ve just proved it.”

awww! – wasn’t that a touching moment? redbaiter reaching out for fellow wing-nut philbest’s hand in reassurance. Just goes to show, you can’t stand on your own two feet. You have to hold someone else’s hand. What ever happened to individual responsibility? You’re a weak-minded tool redbaiter – so typical of a socialist.
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October 28, 2008 2:52pm
Lee

“Lee, so 79% believe the Nats should go into coalition with those primitive tribal types as you put it.”

Confused again. I didin’t put it that way, the party your going to vote for has, many times. Lying yet again aren’t you.

“So will the Nats entrench those primitive tribal seats as labour will do”

Labour has said they are opposed to doing so. Try to keep up.
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October 28, 2008 2:55pm
Redbaiter

“If you are as smart as you think you are you’d realise what a fruit loop PhilBest is.”

“You’re a weak minded tool redbaiter ”

Sounds to me like the left are the group that is losing it. Cant take the heat of truth. Never could. Never will.
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October 28, 2008 2:55pm
CraigM

Redeye: “Can’t you hard right types have a debate without name calling or is that all you’ve got?”

llyodois:

“If you are as smart as you think you are you’d realise what a fruit loop PhilBest is.”
& “but if you believe his drivel you’re just as retarded and delusional as he is.”

Roger:

“You’re a weak minded tool redbaiter….. ”

REDEYE: suggest you talk to your fellow travellers. Pot, kettle, black and all that….

That is all.
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October 28, 2008 3:00pm
PinkGina

david

“so long as they need to keep you solvent” has benefits in the transactional housing market but when sales become infrequent and recession strikes as it has, non performing loans loam and mortgagee sales must follow irrespective of whether you’re a Ozzie bank manger or not:)

This financial crisis will create the worst property market correction seen in NZ which will become evident in the next 12-24 months.
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October 28, 2008 3:08pm
wreck1080

Damn IRD website giving me grief today!!!
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October 28, 2008 3:08pm
Redbaiter

Anyone else seen the headline on Drudge? The MM have totallly fucked themselves big time and will never recover from the damage to their credibility that their unrelenting pro-Obama propaganda has caused them. Good riddance. Damn soviet style liars, Stalinists and disciples of Goebbells who have brought the craft of journalism into utter disrepute.

http://www.drudgereport.com/

PS- Keep up the good work Phil B- truth to the left, whose life blood is propaganda, is like a wooden stake through the heart of a vampire.
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October 28, 2008 3:08pm
Ryan Sproull

Wreck1080,

I’m getting no response from the server. Looks like their end.
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October 28, 2008 3:12pm
getstaffed

wreck1080 – i can’t access ird either. i’m at the end of a TelstraClear cable connection in wellington. perhaps civil case where i sue ird for mental distress caused by not being able to pay my tax 🙂
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October 28, 2008 3:12pm
roger nome

“CraigM ”

it’s called parody dumbarse.
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October 28, 2008 3:14pm
dime

“John McCain calls this socialism, I call it opportunity,”

HAHAHAHA

those poor poor yanks!

i wonder how many middle to upper class white kids will vote for this clown. brainwashed on their “wealthy” parents DIME.

can you imagine the look on some of the faces in a years time when they get their paycheck… “what the fuck??? wheres it all gone???”
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October 28, 2008 3:21pm
dime

“I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.”

“It is not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everyone who is behind you, that they have a chance for success too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it is good for everyone.”

(how old is this guy? 14?

“The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society … and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that. … I think that you can craft legal theoretical justifications for it legally, any three of us here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts.”
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October 28, 2008 3:23pm
Redbaiter

“it’s called parody dumbarse.”

Haha, now that’s funny. (unintentionally so) Parody requires wit and intelligence and a real sense of humour, characteristics that you have frequently demonstrated you completely lack. Your remarks are just dull unintelligent left wing spite motivated by hate and intolerance. Nothing even close to parody. You’re so superficial you’re airborne.
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October 28, 2008 3:24pm
dime

“…just to take a, sort of a realist perspective…there’s a lot of change going on outside of the Court, um, that, that judges essentially have to take judicial notice of. I mean you’ve got World War II, you’ve got uh, uh, uh, the doctrines of Nazism, that, that we are fighting against, that start looking uncomfortably similar to what we have going on, back here at home.”

funny how the head sociliast is always a multi millionaire
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October 28, 2008 3:25pm
wreck1080

I am with Telecom ADSL.

I phoned IRD , and they say the IRD Website is working perfectly and the problem must be with my PC (even though I explained other websites are working OK). I see it is working a little better now (front page is loading), but my online gst return is still not going through.

But, it is interesting to see others are also having problems with their PC’s.

Can someone try this webpage…

https://www.ird.govt.nz/cgi-bin/form.cgi?form=gst103
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October 28, 2008 3:28pm
gd

At the rate JK and Crazy Clark are going Im going to be one of the few who doesnt qualify for welfare.

No mortgage No dependent children at home Not old enough to get the OAP. Geeez just taxed to hell to pay for every other bastard
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October 28, 2008 3:29pm
PhilBest

grumpyoldhori (348) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

“PhilBest I would go further than you on this issue.
Land is just another commodity and like another commodity their is a shortage prices will soar.
As you said, there is no shortage of bloody land, just a shortage of common bloody sense by too many bloody politicians, in this case the blame can be sheeted home to labour.

The answer of course is simple, we get a far greater return from urban areas in GDP for the same area than what we do from farmland.

Going on from that, all the state housing areas where there is still a lot of state owned housing.
Move those old state houses out, sell half the land to developers, then use that money to build terrace type housing, both state and private.
A win win situation, one gets a hell of a lot more housing, at no/low cost to the state.
Don’t like a terrace house to rent, tough….”

Thanks, Grumpy. Nice to be able to agree on something. By the way, did you know that Housing NZ is looking at knocking down some of their blocks of flats and building houses because they have a shortage of houses but THEIR CLIENTS DON’T WANT TO LIVE IN FLATS?

Also by the way, NZ’s land use for housing is 1.4%. The ratio of average income to average house price is 6.3. Germany has 15% of their land in housing and yet their average income to average house price is 3.0. The difference is the readiness with which Germany’s regulations allow land to be used for housing.

Saudi Arabia COULD sell Oil for $20 per barrell and still make a profit. They choose to jack the price and restrict supply. The same applies to the price of land in NZ. The urban use of land would hardly be relevant if there were not zoning restrictions, you would find that the price of urban land would drop much closer to the price of farmland. I am not sure what you mean about the “return” on land; most housing has no “return” at all to owners, they live in it; wheras a farm DOES earn an income for its owner. Maybe land with a factory on it earns a higher return than farmland does, but you would still find that if this zoning was abolished, the result would be that commercial land would drop in value to closer to the value of farmland, farmland wouldn’t rise in value to match commercial land.

All this is a classic illustration of the unintended consequences of government interference in our lives.
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October 28, 2008 3:31pm
roger nome

Also – what do you die-hard neoliberals think about National’s socialist plans to substantially up the dole for middle class people who find themselves out of a job during the next few years? Sounds a bit ad hoc to me. Why not put an emphasis on providing jobs for them to get into, rather than making dependent on the state for income?

It’s so irrational, hypocritical and populist it could be a Winston Peters scheme. Love it! 🙂

http://www.stuff.co.nz/vote08/4740971a28435.html
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October 28, 2008 3:34pm
16a Highbury Rd

Truth is one of the “good ole boys” will have a bullet through Obama before the bible at the inauguration has gone cold from hand print.
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October 28, 2008 3:34pm
dad4justice

“it’s called parody dumbarse”; do you say that to the cracked mirror every morning roger nomer? I see you “Love it!”, what do you mean, cracking mirrors or playing the dumbo lefty troll, or both?
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October 28, 2008 3:34pm
PhilBest

dime (529) Vote: Add rating1 Subtract rating 0 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

“I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.”

“It is not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everyone who is behind you, that they have a chance for success too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it is good for everyone.”

“(how old is this guy? 14?”

Dime, a socialist is someone suffering from arrested development. They stopped developing a capacity for grasping observable realities of life, at 14 on average.
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October 28, 2008 3:35pm
CraigM

wreck1080

It is ……. very , very slow. (insert IR joke here)

Don’t think it’s you, it’s the site.
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October 28, 2008 3:37pm
roger nome

Also – what do you die-hard neoliberals think about National’s socialist plans to substantially up the dole for middle class people who find themselves out of a job during the next few years? Sounds a bit ad hoc to me. Why not put an emphasis on providing jobs for them to get into, rather than making dependent on the state for income?

It’s so irrational, hypocritical and populist it could be a Winston Peters scheme. Love it! 🙂
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October 28, 2008 3:38pm
getstaffed

wreck1080 – Still problematic. I know of a Wgtn-hosted site that was hit with a well distributed denial-of-service attack over the weekend. I wonder if IRD are being hit?

Edit: Page did load. very slow and 3 previous attempts failed.
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October 28, 2008 3:39pm
CraigM

Roger; “it’s called parody dumbarse.”

point proven. Thank you.

Well done RN. Two posts today and you still haven’t said anything.
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October 28, 2008 3:40pm
dad4justice

“a socialist is someone suffering from arrested development. ”

Well said PhilBest, can someone arrest roger nome and try to develop a sane person?
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October 28, 2008 3:40pm
roger nome

Hey dad. You just realised that the left’s going to win its fourth consecutive election? You seem hurt?
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October 28, 2008 3:42pm
getstaffed

:
AXA freezes three mortgage funds.
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October 28, 2008 3:43pm
Banana Llama

wreck1080 (138) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

” I am with Telecom ADSL.

I phoned IRD , and they say the IRD Website is working perfectly and the problem must be with my PC (even though I explained other websites are working OK). I see it is working a little better now (front page is loading), but my online gst return is still not going through. ”

Took about 5 minutes before it loaded the main site, on the link you gave it produced and error code, probably undergoing some maintenance or maybe the IRD are broke and can’t afford the Bandwidth charges! that would make me lol.
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October 28, 2008 3:51pm
wreck1080

The ird customer services person contacted their IT people and they maintain things are running perfectly………..

Thanks for checking, I am right, yet, I am still wrong according to IRD 🙂
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October 28, 2008 4:03pm
david

Of course you are wreck1080. It’s called the inverse rule of customer power, it was invented by a taxman and I wouldn’t be surprised if he has become the patron saint of taxmen worldwide.
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October 28, 2008 4:23pm
grumpyoldhori

Typical Palin supporter ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9T0FI2axbU

Good thing she stopped her ranting to admonish that person,
whoops, nope, scratch that.
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October 28, 2008 4:46pm
kiwipolemicist

democracymum: this blog may interest you

http://christianclassicalliberalist.wordpress.com/
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October 28, 2008 5:11pm
WebWrat

Heard a democrat talking to Larry Williams this arvo. He said the Republicans were inciting violence against Obambi. The main culprit is Sarah Palin. He was absolutely astounded when Sarah had the audacity to call Obambi a socialist just because of the way he wanted to use the tax system to redistribute wealth. What a terrible accusation!!! A SOCIALIST! You only get them in Eurabia.
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October 28, 2008 5:12pm
Ratbiter

The Standard has pointed out that now Brownlee has been caught out owning undisclosed shareholdings in companies at the same time as he was asking all sorts of questions in the house about said company’s profitability…

National looks more and more like a pretty tight little Shareholder’s Club, looking after their investments, but oh no Helen’s the only corrupt one we want to talk about here 8)
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October 28, 2008 5:54pm
Lee

Typical Obama supporter?

http://www.reuters.com/article/sarahPalin/idUSTRE49Q79N20081027

Plus: ‘The Coming Obama Thugocracy’

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjUwZWIwZTNhY2Y0YTFkYzFmZTIyZWUwZWNkYjk4ZGM=
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October 28, 2008 5:57pm
Helensphotogenicimposter

Brownlee had 600 shares in Contact Energy. This equals about $5000. Surely a Labour MP must own some as well, if not directly, then through a managed fund.

Equally corrupt are the many Labour MPs who invested in residential property in the vein hope of making their millions. Their actions contributed to inappropriately high property prices and high interest rates.
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October 28, 2008 6:02pm
Lee

ONE News has just shot Winston’s Firsts campaign DEAD!!!!

He will not pass the 5% threshold now.

Roll on Nov 8!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
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October 28, 2008 6:02pm
Lee

Ratbiter,

why don’t Labour MP’s disclose their shares hmmm???
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October 28, 2008 6:06pm
Ratbiter

helenswhatever:

$5000 is not nothing. And using your position in the house to try and achieve some personal monetary gain for yourself is corruption. Or perhaps it is not, in your eyes?

But I think it’s mainly the lies that are the issue. You know – Winston=liar, lies=bad, and all of that?
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October 28, 2008 6:07pm
Patrick Starr

Lee. Listen to what Clark said. She nipped it in the bud when she “heard of the donations” – She killed it last year!
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October 28, 2008 6:11pm
Ratbiter

Lee – for example…?
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October 28, 2008 6:11pm
Lee

“$5000 is not nothing”

In terms of shares it’s bugger all of nothing.

“lies=bad”

You mean like Helen Clark’s lie in a 2005 interview where she said she would NOT ban spanking?

And as far as corruption goes, exactly how long did she know about the Winston-Owen Glenn affair that is not being revealed???

Kinda slow about disclosing this to the media wasn’t she 🙂
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October 28, 2008 6:13pm
Lindsay Addie

The poodle has been bitten on the arse by the Owen Glenn saga again. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer fella!

How many times does this bugger have to be caught out lying before all the voters realize what a phoney he is?
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October 28, 2008 6:15pm
Lee

“She killed it last year!”

And failed to tell the SFO, and the Privileges Committee, and the media……. and continued to “fail” to mention it when this all blew up in Winstons face!!!!

Oh yeah, shes REAL trustworthy!!! 🙂
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October 28, 2008 6:18pm
Ratbiter

Lee – It’s about $5000 more than I can make by abusing any position of public trust that I’ve been elected to!

I like my elected representatives to be developing policies for the good of the country, not for the good of their Family Trusts, thank very much.
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October 28, 2008 6:18pm
Lee

“I like my elected representatives to be developing policies for the good of the country”

Or the good of billionaire’s Owen Glenn right??? If Hulun cared one bit about “the good of the country” she would take the principled stand that John Key has and refuse to work with the criminal and corrupt Winston Peters.

But Hulun believes that ANY corrupt sleaze bag is just fine as long as he gets her back in power!!!

Oh yeah, she REALLY cares about the “good of the country”!!! 🙂
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October 28, 2008 6:26pm
grumpyoldhori

Lee, are you a subject of HM, sorry, make that are you a NZ citizen ?
If you are not, should you not abide by US rules ?
Not a citizen, no vote.
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October 28, 2008 6:28pm
Ratbiter

Clark is doing whatever she can to keep her government together as long as the term allows, to further their – mandated – policy programme.

As far as I am aware no-one has found any grounds to suspect she is working on the value of her shares every time she stands up in the house.
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October 28, 2008 6:30pm
Lee

Ratbiter’s version of the “good of the country”.

Over 80% of the country is opposed to banning smacking.

Hulun’s response???

“The United Nations told me to”.

Oh yeah, Hulun really believes in whats good for the country!!!!! 🙂

The only thing Hulun believes in is whatever gets her a job at the UN when shes tossed out of the beehive on Nov 8 !!!
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October 28, 2008 6:30pm
redeye

There’s got to be some irony in quoting Matt Drudge’s page while whinging about dishonesty.
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October 28, 2008 6:31pm
Lee

Grumpy,

I abide by the NZ rules thanks!!! Thats because I pay taxes here.

Taxpayers have the right to vote.

You claim that your voting for the Libertarianz, and the policy of the LIbs is that ALL taxpayers have the right to vote. Abide by your OWN rules.

So stick that where the light don’t shine cuzzy bro 🙂
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October 28, 2008 6:33pm
getstaffed

Ah, so Winston did offer an honorary consol role to Glenn.

Peters is pathological liar.

Be gone from our political landscape you festering pile of corruption.
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October 28, 2008 6:33pm
Lee

“Clark is doing whatever she can to keep her government together”

Power for powers sake. Bugger the good of the country eh??? 🙂
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October 28, 2008 6:36pm
Ratbiter

You missed out the good bit: “to further their – mandated – policy programme.” Typical Kiwiblog commentator. Very selective with your quotes, to make sure they get your meaning not mine.

Seems to me they were voted in to govern until the next election, and that’s what they’ve tried to do. If you want to maintain somehow that Clark is into power for powers’ sake, you might have to sell me that idea…
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October 28, 2008 6:42pm
Lee

“Ah, so Winston did offer an honorary consol role to Glenn.”

Yup! And “trust me” Hulun FAILED TO TELL ANYONE.

Oops! 🙂
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October 28, 2008 6:42pm
Lee

Oh and grump,

if you feel free to attack Sarah Palin and comment about US politics why don’t you follow your own rules. Move there and pay taxes!!!

I at least pay taxes here.

But of course everyone here knows your a hypocritical coward spouting conveniant double standards.

When you gonna come out of the closet and reveal that your really voting Labour?
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October 28, 2008 6:45pm
Lee

“you missed out the good bit: “to further their – mandated – policy programme.” ”

Because that part of your statement was dishonest political spin.

And there was nothing “mandated” about it. Most kiwis at the last election did not vote for Labour.
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October 28, 2008 6:51pm
grumpyoldhori

Lee, ah you are a visitor to this little green land.
Now kiwis paying taxes in the US do not get the right to vote, why should you
get the right to interfere in our elections ?
They say South Dakota is a great state for returning yanks, it would also raise
the IQ level of both South Dakota and NZ when you go back.

Cuzzy bro, oh please, you will be trying to rant that you rant on the marae
next.
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October 28, 2008 6:52pm
Ratbiter

“Most kiwis at the last election did not vote for Labour.”

Here’s the thing with MMP: The most votes governs. It’s not all about National vs Labour any more. Perhaps this isn’t the way democracy is supposed to be, in your mind?
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October 28, 2008 6:53pm
Lee

“Lee, ah you are a visitor to this little green land.”

Nope. I have lived here since the 1970’s.

“Now kiwis paying taxes in the US do not get the right to vote, why should you get the right to interfere in our elections ?”

When in Rome 🙂 I ha[ppen to believe that all taxpayers should have the right to vote. But you have once again proved yourself a coward and failed to answer my question. What gives YOU the right to spew hate at Sarah Palin when you do not even have the decency to move there and pay tax???

Pathetic hypocrite.

“They say South Dakota is a great state for returning yanks, it would also raise the IQ level of both South Dakota and NZ when you go back.”

Ah yes, when you have no brain, and no intelligent argument to make, resort to schoolyard level abuse!!!

Unlike you hori, I take my right to vote seriously. I will not be wasting it on a party that has no chance of getting into power, while sitting on my hori ass and spewing abuse at anyone who does.

The moral reason I should be allowed to vote is because lazy, self-centred armchair whiners like you hate your country so much your throwing a proxy vote to Labour! 🙂
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October 28, 2008 7:01pm
wreck1080

Finally got my online GST return done.

IRD have to take a serious look at their online services if they expect people to use them. What have they been spending their money on?
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October 28, 2008 7:02pm
redeye

Media Consultants apparently.
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October 28, 2008 7:04pm
Storm

Someone must have forgotten about their attempt banning a decent shower.
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October 28, 2008 7:06pm
Lee

Edit. This line of argument is getting out of hand.

Grumpy, you wanna debate the issues fine. You wanna question my right to vote, come and see me in person.
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October 28, 2008 7:07pm
grumpyoldhori

Lee, I question the right of all immigrants who are not citizens and whose
country does not give equality in voting rights, to vote.
And since kiwis do not get the right to vote in the US even if they are paying
taxes I believe it is only fair that it should be the same for ALL Americans resident in NZ.
And that applies to all countries who do not give reciprocal voting rights for
kiwis who are residents and paying taxes

This is one issue where I believe NZ is too liberal.
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October 28, 2008 7:51pm
Lee

“Lee, I question the right of all immigrants who are not citizens”

Fair enough. But I don’t care.

I pay taxes, and I believe in taxpayers rights. Moreover, I have lived here, paid taxes here, and contributed to my community for nearly thirty years. Every morning, five days a week I get up an hour earlier than I need to to go to my church to help make lunches for the kids (mostly Maori) who turn up to school hungry. I contribute, I pay taxes and that along with the current NZ law, gives me the right.

You don’t like the law? Get it changed. You don’t like the US law? Move there and pay taxes. Until then stop questioning my legal rights.

I feel I have earned my right to have a say. Your entitled to your view on the issue, but constantly bringing it up on threads that are completely unrelated to that issue merely to attack me is bullshit.

Plus, I get back to the issue that you feel you have the right to spew hate against Sarah Palin when you do not contribute ANYTHING to the USA.
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October 28, 2008 8:06pm
redeye

Lee

Half of the world outside the US is spewing hate (or at least ridicule) against/toward Palin. Everyone has the right to spew on a politician. Especially right wing US politicians. We’re all going to be paying for their blunders.

You certainly are one angry Christian.
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October 28, 2008 9:55pm
noskire

More goose-neck crap journalism, this time from NZ Herald.

“National leader John Key is sticking by his decision to rule out New Zealand First from any National-led government, despite a new poll showing over a quarter of National voters want him to rethink his stance.”

Despite? It’s hardly an overwhelming fecking majority!

If any party brings in a policy banning polytechnics from running journalism courses, they will get my vote.
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October 28, 2008 10:12pm
steven sea

Scared of a bunch of muesli munching hippies? Well don’t be, there not into medieval prison systems. You break there laws, you can use your back yard as a garbage dump, you can abuse your pets, you can even smack your children (if that,s what turns you on). Remember building more jails will be banned. But wouldn’t start to feel like… an idiot.
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October 28, 2008 10:26pm
steven sea

Scared of a bunch of muesli munching hippies? Well don’t be, there not into medieval prison systems. You break there laws, you can use your back yard as a garbage dump, you can abuse your pets, you can even smack your children (if that,s what turns you on). Remember building more jails will be banned. But wouldn’t you start to feel like… an idiot.
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October 28, 2008 10:29pm
getstaffed

IRD have to take a serious look at their online services

Wreck1080 – agreed. In the probably knowledge that they won’t I’d suggest that you file your return earlier and pre-schedule any payment via on-line banking. I’ve had a run-in with IRD after doing this from overseas at the 11th hour and it’s painful.
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October 28, 2008 10:50pm
Lee

redeye,

“Half of the world outside the US is spewing hate (or at least ridicule) against/toward Palin.”

I seriously doubt “half”. But certainly a lot of Marxists, lefties, and Muslims are. I don’t take such people seriously.

“Everyone has the right to spew on a politician. Especially right wing US politicians.”

Not while your own country is run by a corrupt and criminal regime.

“We’re all going to be paying for their blunders.”

No your going to be paying for Helen and Cullen’s blunders.

“You certainly are one angry Christian.”

Righteous anger? Hell yes! Perhaps you just not used to someone who stands up for themselves and does not roll over when ignorant anti-American/Republican propaganda is trotted out by people trying to divert attention from the crimes of the Clark regime.
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