General Debate 15 October 2008

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democracymum

Question of the day for Helen Clark

What did you mean when you told John Key last night that
“you might be used to shouting at home don’t shout at me?”
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October 15, 2008 8:33am
Monty

One big issue for me today – What is Cullen’s secret agenda? he is proposing a mini-budget in December (fat chance – all he wll be announcing is his retirement and exit from politics) – but it does beg the question – what does he know about the state of the economy? What cuts will he be forced to make to pay for his student bribe. Is the Guarantee scheme for bank deposits unaffordable and will it bankrupt the country?

Is Cullen going to repeat what Labour did in 1990 and lie / hide the true state of the economy from the people of NZ. Is Bill English going to get a nasty call first thing on Sunday 9th November 2008 and say you better come in for a briefing?
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October 15, 2008 8:35am
getstaffed

democracymum – Helen’s SIS listening post must have reported a hollered “Huh, have you seen my blue shirt” on the top of the stairwell microphone 🙂
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October 15, 2008 8:41am
Bob

I don’t think much of the leaders debate or who “won” it. The two contenders are not performers. It is not a television idol contest. I consider the choice of leader to be a choice between managers. I never thought Jim Bolger had much personality but I think he was a good manager. The fact that Labour hired him to run SOEs attests to that. David Lange was a great entertainer but not a good manager as eventually became apparent. The leaders did little more than try to out talk each other. I find it much better to make a choice on who won by reading their policies and views in a newspaper where you can take your time and study them. I accept Helen is a superb public performer with a faultless delivery most times but I don’t like her socialist policies.
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October 15, 2008 8:45am
greenfly

What was all that prattle in the background? Was someone locked out and clamouring to be let in?
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October 15, 2008 8:55am
Gooner

Monty – Cullen is going to cancel the current tax cuts and raise taxes further for revenue purposes until the 2010 tax cut kicks in at which time he will say he will cut them again. That’s my pick.
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October 15, 2008 8:55am
homepaddock

Labour’s established a new ministry – it’s to be headed by Shane Jones who is now the Minister for Short Showers.
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October 15, 2008 9:01am
redeye

McCain involved in yet another scandal. Who is running this guys campaign?

“William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.

The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein’s government.

During the same period beginning in 1992, Timmons worked closely with the two lobbyists, Samir Vincent and Tongsun Park, on a previously unreported prospective deal with the Iraqis in which they hoped to be awarded a contract to purchase and resell Iraqi oil. Timmons, Vincent, and Park stood to share at least $45 million if the business deal went through.”
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October 15, 2008 9:08am
calendar girl

Barry Soper has usually tried, not always successfully, to appear even-handed as a prominent and entertaining political commentator. Last evening, however, he demeaned himself and his “profession” by posing the ultimate patsy question about Key’s attitude to the 1981 Springbok tour. Why would he prejudice his standing to deliver such an inane question? It was a sad moment.
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October 15, 2008 9:19am
WraithX

calendar girl: I agree – it was terrible. Also – am I the only one who thought he looked and sounded like an old pimp?
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October 15, 2008 9:27am
redeye

I thought it was a reasonable question. Aren’t we allowed to know something philosophical about the man we’re being asked to vote for. What was wrong was that he only asked Key one of these questions.
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October 15, 2008 9:33am
david

It’s the little things that stick with you.

It has been patently obvious (and frequently commented upon) that Helen Clark has refused to refer to John Key by name for much of the last 3 years. Possibly this was on the grounds of trying to create some sort of mental “black hole” in the minds of those listening when contemplating the Opposition.

Blow me down tho’. Right fom the start last night she was calling him “John”

He fell for it a bit by calling her “Helen”, when he should have stuck with her preferred form of address and called her “Miss Clark” time after time after time.

Its all about controlling the language. IMVHO
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October 15, 2008 9:36am
Hoolian

Cullen set to borrow more for his electoral bribes, despite it being “mind bogglingly stupid”.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4727201a13.html

Also, attended the Aro candidates meeting last night. Young Labour were out in force, assailing Stephen Franks for his comments on Civil Unions, and everything else. Bloody hell. Talk about them being uninformed. Grant Robertson was loving it, though for all the wrong reasons. Franks did well to fob them off. I’m sure he can’t wait to see the smiles wiped off their faces when he wins Wellington Central.

Labour is ridiculous
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October 15, 2008 9:40am
Redbaiter

“Why would he prejudice his standing to deliver such an inane question?”

I dunno that he’s ever had any real standing, (not IMHO) but the reason he asked it was to posture as a hero amongst his leftie Labour loving peers.

“am I the only one who thought he looked and sounded like an old pimp?”

All he’s ever been. Soper represents all that makes the NZ media such a contemptible lot. A partisan advocate for the left who presents himself as an objective commentator. These despicable and cowardly left wing media plants have brought the craft of journalism into uttter disrepute.

The way they have perverted democracy in the US is going to have some long lasting consequences too. People are much more aware of the deceit over there, and much more angered by it. They’ll pay a price for their support of Obama and the hatred and bile they have generated against Sarah Palin, in that dull brained and uneducated sector of the population that are nowadays their main audience. The CNN believing Oprah worshipping Jerry Springer thirsting Democrats.
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October 15, 2008 9:43am
Fletch

Here’s a little tid-bit you might find interesting. I was talking to someone the other day who has a relative that is hearing-impaired. When using sign-language to sign someone’s name they’ll have some kind of nickname that they sign for that person. The sign for Helen Clark is ‘Horse Face’ or a derivative thereof 🙂
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October 15, 2008 10:05am
Redbaiter

“The sign for Helen Clark is ‘Horse Face’ or a derivative thereof”

Those hearing impaired people need to demonstrate a little more cultural sensitivity towards horses.
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October 15, 2008 10:27am
PhilBest

Monty:

“…..Is Cullen going to repeat what Labour did in 1990 and lie / hide the true state of the economy from the people of NZ. Is Bill English going to get a nasty call first thing on Sunday 9th November 2008 and say you better come in for a briefing?….”

The even bigger trouble is, Monty, that whatever the Nats DO, the MSM are now so completely mired in socialist utopian unreality, that they will give the Nats hell and will shift all the blame onto them and their 3 years of government, for the state of the country at the end of the 3 years. Whereupon the Heleban resurgent, will get back in and it will be even more difficult to ever get the message into the thick, thick, thick skulls of their supporters, that it is bloody socialism that is the problem, not the solution.

I actually don’t want John Key to win this time now that it appears that there are STILL so many thick, thick, thick people STILL supporting the Heleban even after the 9 years of scandal and corruption that we’ve had. I want Helen and Mikhael in coalition with the Greens, to administer a swift death blow to the NZ economy, FOLLOWING which there will HAVE to be a total paradigm shift. A Government with no tax revenue and no sources of loan money, is a government that cannot pay its bills and its beneficiaries and the wages of its civil servants and police and military, and cannot keep the power on. Such a government is by necessity a small government.

3 years of John Key, though, will just prolong the agony and give the Heleban an opening to continue the wrecking of NZ for which they are largely responsible.
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October 15, 2008 10:28am
big bruv

I have just heard the most extraordinary interview on Newstalk ZB between Soper and Leighton Smith.

Smith questioned Soper as to why he asked Key about the Springbok tour, he (Soper) could not believe that anybody did not have a position about the tour back in 81.

Soper also had planned to ask Key where he stood on the Vietnam war!.

Soper is a fucking idiot, there were thousands and thousands of people who did not give a shit either way about the Springbok tour, for a dinosaur like Soper to claim that it is an important part of politics in 2008 shows what a fucking numpty the man is.
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October 15, 2008 10:31am
PhilBest

redeye (38) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating4 Says:
October 15th, 2008 at 9:08 am

“McCain involved in yet another scandal. Who is running this guys campaign?”

“William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime….”

Redeye, are the Democrats not RIDDLED at every level of the party from Senators down to lobbyists, with people who were enablers and abettors of Saddam Hussein?
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October 15, 2008 10:34am
redeye

Phil. No.
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October 15, 2008 10:43am
PhilBest

Change of subject. Close followers of this blog may have noticed my arguments recently to the effect that it is the height of hypocrisy for the “liberal” left to only be liberal when it comes to sexual morality but seek to control every other aspect of their citizens lives. As some old curmudgeon said in a letter to the DomPost, he didn’t appreciate a bunch of “free-lovers” telling him he needed to exercise self-control in his eating. I have also pointed out that when Socialism progresses to its totalitarian conclusion, it becomes severely proscriptive of sexual behaviour after all, as it then becomes an issue of national and societal strength that they do not want undermined. Up till then, it was a handy means of undermining national and societal strength as an element in their agenda of takeover.

Anyway, here is a great thinker who just a few days ago made a similar argument much more succinctly:

The esteemed Norwegian blogger “Fjordman”, in “Sweden; The Triumph of Cultural Marxism”.

“….According to Gramsci, the Socialist revolution, which failed to spread following the Russian Revolution in 1917, could never take place until people were liberated from Western culture, particularly from their “Christian soul.” As Lukacs said in 1919, “Who will save us from Western Civilization?” This could be done through breaking down traditional morality and family patterns and undermining the established culture from within by a long march through the institutions, the media and the schools. We can now see that this strategy has been successful in Western media and academia, which are not only lukewarm in defending our civilization but in some cases actively side with our mortal enemies. The irony is that most Westerners have never heard of Gramsci, yet ideas similar to his have had a huge impact on their lives.

The British historian Roland Huntford wrote a book in the early 1970s about Sweden called The New Totalitarians. He noted how equality between the sexes was aggressively promoted from the late 1960s and early 70s. This was closely linked to a campaign for sexual liberation:

“Indeed, the word ‘freedom’ in Swedish has come to mean almost exclusively sexual freedom, product perhaps of an unadmitted realization that it is absent, or unwanted, elsewhere. Through sex instruction at school for the young, and incessant propaganda in the mass media for the older generations, most of Sweden has been taught to believe that freedom has been achieved through sex. Because he is sexually emancipated, the Swede believes that he is a free man, and judges liberty entirely in sexual terms.…The Swedish government has taken what it is pleased to call ‘the sexual revolution’ under its wing. Children are impressed at school that sexual emancipation is their birthright, and this is done in such a way as to suggest that the State is offering them their liberty from old-fashioned restrictions.”

By old-fashioned restrictions, read Christian morality. Huntford noted that this came together with efforts to downplay or attack Western culture prior to the French Revolution. As Mr. Olof Palme, who was Swedish Socialist Prime Minister from the late 1960s until 1986, said: “The Renaissance So-called? Western culture? What does it mean to us?”

“As political and economic freedom diminishes” said Aldous Huxley’s in Brave New World, “sexual freedom tends compensatingly to increase.” This fits perfectly with Huntford’s description. The state strips away your personal, economic and political freedom, yet grants you sexual freedom in return, boldly hailing itself as your liberator. Sweden in 2008 is a society with no real freedom of speech if you deviate from the ruling ideology. The more crushing ideological censorship and political repression become, the more frantic the displays of “sexual freedom” get. Sex is freedom; freedom means sex, and only sex.

State authorities present this as liberation of women and sexual liberation, but it is actually about breaking down rival sources of power: The traditional Christian culture and the nuclear family. This leaves the state more powerful since it can regulate all aspects of life and, most importantly, can indoctrinate the nation’s children as it sees fit, without undue parental interference. The state replaces your family, raises your children and cares for your elderly……”

READ THE WHOLE THING:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3582
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October 15, 2008 10:45am
philu

“..Smith questioned Soper as to why he asked Key about the Springbok tour, he (Soper) could not believe that anybody did not have a position about the tour back in 81.

Soper also had planned to ask Key where he stood on the Vietnam war!.

Soper is a fucking idiot, there were thousands and thousands of people who did not give a shit either way about the Springbok tour..”

redbaiter..it was only only rightwing americas’ ‘bitches’..like yourself..

..who didn’t care/’give a shit’ about apartheid..

..or what was being done to the vietnamese people/country..

(two other things you righties were so ‘wrong’ about..eh.?..)

..and yes..it defines you/them..

..puts you into the (illuminating) political context you belong in..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 15, 2008 10:45am
Redbaiter

“The CNN believing Oprah worshipping Jerry Springer thirsting Democrats.”

Kind of like the TV One/ TV Three believing Oprah worshipping Jerry Springer thirsting Labourites.
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October 15, 2008 10:50am
CraigM

Redeye -“Aren’t we allowed to know something philosophical about the man we’re being asked to vote for.”

Fair enough, but ……do you still have the same philosophy and see the world the same way now as you did 27 years ago? I feel sad for you if you do. (assuming your an old bastard like me) Would it not have been more appropriate to ask him how he feels about certain issues now?

It was a ‘set-up’ question, end of story. I don’t want someone with the world view of a 19 year old running NZ. I’d like someone with a few miles on the clock and some life experience gained from being there and doing it.
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October 15, 2008 10:50am
Redbaiter

Redey -”Aren’t we allowed to know something philosophical about the man we’re being asked to vote for.”

These are the drongoes who go spare if you mention Klark’s communist roots- picking coffee for the Sandinistas, cheering on the Vietcong and being documented as the NZ contact for the Philippines Communist Party.
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October 15, 2008 10:55am
goodgod

Running short on time, so to sum up my comments on 3 topics:

Labour – Lying Khunts.
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October 15, 2008 10:56am
PhilBest

Oh, Redeye, Redeye, Redeye. You really do epitomise the problem with politics in the USA today. There have been no scandals involving Barack Obama and his background. There are no past enablers of Saddam Hussein in the Democratic Party structure. Thus the New York Times and CBS and their ilk “do a Pravda” on Americans; only its even worse, because the people in the USSR who read “Pravda” largely chose to DISBELIEVE what they were being told, while eagerly devouring the contents of any “Samizdat” that came their way.

But faithful readers of the New York Times are the most willfully deceived people in human history.

Redeye, I am not going to waste my time providing “links” for you to read. America does not have any equivalents of the “Samizdats” of the former USSR, because they have free speech and a free press. The National Review and the Weekly Standard and countless independant regional newspapers publish, distribute, and sell freely in full public view. If you don’t already know the truth about Barack Obama; and about on which end of the political spectrum in the USA that Saddam’s enablers were overwhelmingly based, you are not going to believe any of it now. Mark Steyn did a depressing column on this just 2 days ago, and I quote:

“……..The day after the most-recent debate I bumped into two Obama supporters in St Johnsbury, Vt. They said isn’t it great that he’s on course to win. Well, they were cute chicks, and I know an obvious pick-up line when I hear one, so I stopped to chat. God Almighty, it was like reverse Viagra: After 10 minutes of Babes For Barack, I never want to meet a female woman of the opposite sex for the rest of my life. Their basic pitch was:

“How do you solve a problem? Like, Obama!

How do you hold a moonbeam in your hand?”

That’s John McCain’s problem. Traditionally, when an unknown politician emerges on the national scene, it’s a race to define him. Gov. Palin is a good example: within days, the coastal sophisticates were mocking her as a chillbilly ditz with a womb that spits out inbred kids faster than the First National Bank of Welfare Swamp issues subprime mortgages. That’s politics as usual: Define your opponent.

But Obama is defined by his indefinability. When I pointed out to my Vermont gals that he lives in a swank pad that was part of some shady real estate deal with a convicted fraudster (Tony Rezko), that he entrusted his daughters’ entire religious education to a neo-segregationist anti-American nut who preaches that the government created the AIDS virus to kill black people (Jeremiah Wright), that he attended fundraisers with a political patron who’s an unrepentant terrorist proud of plotting to blow up young ladies just like them at a dance at the Fort Dix military base (William Ayers), when I pointed all this out, they looked at me as if I’d brought a baseball bat to a croquet match. Mere earthbound politicians are defined by their real estate deals and sleazy buddies, but Obama is defined only by his vibe. As his many admirers in France would say, he has a certain je ne sais quoi. And, if you try to pin down quoi precisely, then they don’t want to sais.

Besides, said one of the cuties, it’s racist to try to link him to unsavory white men (Ayers). And black men (Wright). And Arabs (Rezko). And, just to be on the safe side, any dodgy Uzbeks or Papuans who might have been lurking around the greater Chicago area for the past quarter-century.

The ladies weren’t exactly covering their eyes and going, “Neee-neeee-na-na, can’t hear you,” but the other cutie did begin waving at me her Obama sticker – the one with the giant blue-frosted O embedded in a manicured candy-striped upland – like the villain in the movie trying to hypnotize you with his pocketwatch. I began frantically looking around in hopes that a passing Hare Krishna or Scientologist type could get me out of there. But, no: Gaze into the giant zero of the Obama logo, the hole in the star-spangled doughnut, the vast fathomless nullity that is the gaping keyhole to the door of utopia. To a sad shriveled Republican cynic, there’s nothing there but the wide open spaces of Obama’s blank resume. But believers will see therein the healing of the planet and the receding of the oceans. The black hole of Obama will suck you in through the awesome power of its totally cool suckiness…..”

(From “Filling In the Blank”, by Mark Steyn; Published in the “Orange County Register”, one of those fine independant regional papers).

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/obama-hear-mccain-2191555-big-don
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October 15, 2008 11:01am
redeye

The same people complaining about Keys being asked about something that happened 27 years ago are they same ones complaining/questioning Obama’s old relationships, birthplace, middle name yawn.
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October 15, 2008 11:02am
3-coil

philu (10:45am) – if that’s relevant, shall we also talk about Helen Clark’s role (she was in the Labour Cabinet at the time no less) in the introduction of Roger Douglas’ economic reforms in the 1980s? Or is she flip-flopping now….and pretending she had nothing to do with it!!!
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October 15, 2008 11:04am
CraigM

No redeye, they’re not. Nice attempt to side step the question though.

I also notice you put Obama’s birthplace in the midst of your “yawn’ comment. One slight issue with that of course is that if indeed he was not born in the USA, then by law he can’t be President. That’s a bit of a biggie don’t you think?

A law that doesn’t fit their purpose is a small point for socialists I know, but still surely it can’t be dismissed as easily as “yawn” ? can it? All he has to do is actually produce an authentic birth certificate and the issue goes away. Don’t you think that, if he could have, he would have by now?

The one on his website has been said by the state government in Hawaii to be “not authentic”.

Still, if he does beome President they can always change the law. Retrospectively of course.
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October 15, 2008 11:16am
PhilBest

Philu (negative karma, 30 something, probably by the end of the day)

“……redbaiter..it was only only rightwing americas’ ‘bitches’..like yourself..

..who didn’t care/’give a shit’ about apartheid..

..or what was being done to the vietnamese people/country..

(two other things you righties were so ‘wrong’ about..eh.?..)

..and yes..it defines you/them..

..puts you into the (illuminating) political context you belong in..

..eh..?”

Firstly, Redbaiter said there were countless people who did not give a shit about the Springbok Tour. That is not the same thing as not giving a shit about apartheid, whatever your addled leftwing judgement might conclude.

And there is no sicker, more addled judgement than that of people like you who talk about “what was being done to the Vietnamese people/ country”, when the bloody Commies killed many times MORE people AFTER they “won” the war than would have died had the war just carried on indefinitely. I say the Commies “won” the war, in inverted commas, because they didn’t “win” the war, it was won for them by the filthy, despicable, bottom-feeding Western Left, who to this day have the blood of those millions of victims of Communism on their hands.

And it is time to replace the bloody craven, snivelling little Commie lapdog apologies for show hosts that we’ve got in this country, with some people who actually posess some human dignity and honour and who ask the questions that should be asked of politicians, like where they stood on the issues when the bloody Communists were murdering and torturing and enslaving their own citizens as they always did, and never MORE so than when they WEREN’T fighting a war with the West.

All the bloody apologists for the bloody Communists that infest our society and our media and blogs today, should have long since crawled away in shame and repented, if they haven’t, they must be keen on securing their place in hell.
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October 15, 2008 11:19am
PhilBest

Philu (negative karma, 30 something, probably by the end of the day)

“……redbaiter..it was only only rightwing americas’ ‘bitches’..like yourself..

..who didn’t care/’give a shit’ about apartheid..

..or what was being done to the vietnamese people/country..

(two other things you righties were so ‘wrong’ about..eh.?..)

..and yes..it defines you/them..

..puts you into the (illuminating) political context you belong in..

..eh..?”

Firstly, Redbaiter said there were countless people who did not give a shit about the Springbok Tour. That is not the same thing as not giving a shit about apartheid, whatever your addled leftwing judgement might conclude.

And there is no sicker, more addled judgement than that of people like you who talk about “what was being done to the Vietnamese people/ country”, when the bloody Commies killed many times MORE people AFTER they “won” the war than would have died had the war just carried on indefinitely. I say the Commies “won” the war, in inverted commas, because they didn’t “win” the war, it was won for them by the filthy, despicable, bottom-feeding Western Left, who to this day have the blood of those millions of victims of Communism on their hands.

And it is time to replace the bloody craven, snivelling little Commie lapdog apologies for show hosts that we’ve got in this country, with some people who actually posess some human dignity and honour and who ask the questions that should be asked of politicians, like where they stood on the issues when the bloody Communists were murdering and torturing and enslaving their own citizens as they always did, and never MORE so than when they WEREN’T fighting a war with the West.

All the bloody apologists for the bloody Communists that infest our society and our media and blogs today, should have long since crawled away in shame and repented, if they haven’t, they must be keen on securing their place in hell along with their idols.
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October 15, 2008 11:20am
PhilBest

Philu (negative karma, 30 something, probably by the end of the day)

“……redbaiter..it was only only rightwing americas’ ‘bitches’..like yourself..

..who didn’t care/’give a shit’ about apartheid..

..or what was being done to the vietnamese people/country..

(two other things you righties were so ‘wrong’ about..eh.?..)

..and yes..it defines you/them..

..puts you into the (illuminating) political context you belong in..

..eh..?”

Firstly, Redbaiter said there were countless people who did not give a shit about the Springbok Tour. That is not the same thing as not giving a shit about apartheid, whatever your addled leftwing judgement might conclude.

And there is no sicker, more addled judgement than that of people like you who talk about “what was being done to the Vietnamese people/ country”, when the b—–y Commies killed many times MORE people AFTER they “won” the war than would have died had the war just carried on indefinitely. I say the Commies “won” the war, in inverted commas, because they didn’t “win” the war, it was won for them by the filthy, despicable, bottom-feeding Western Left, who to this day have the blood of those millions of victims of Communism on their hands.

And it is time to replace the b—–y craven, snivelling little Commie lapdog apologies for show hosts that we’ve got in this country, with some people who actually posess some human dignity and honour and who ask the questions that should be asked of politicians, like where they stood on the issues when the b—–y Communists were murdering and torturing and enslaving their own citizens as they always did, and never MORE so than when they WEREN’T fighting a war with the West.

All the b—-y apologists for the b—–y Communists that infest our society and our media and blogs today, should have long since crawled away in shame and repented, if they haven’t, they must be keen on securing their place in hell along with their idols.
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October 15, 2008 11:21am
llew

The one on his website has been said by the state government in Hawaii to be “not authentic”.

Um – according to this site, the State of Hawaii declared it authentic. Who do you believe?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

“The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama’s birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.

“I guess the big issue that’s being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature,” Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. “Because they scanned the front … you wouldn’t see those things.”

Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.

And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? “When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.””
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October 15, 2008 11:21am
redeye

Thanks llew. CraigM, over to you. Or no more ‘biggie’
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October 15, 2008 11:29am
llew

I’ll believe Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
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October 15, 2008 11:33am
glubbster

The GOP are equally (if not more) incompetent than Labour on economic issues. See Krugman (Nobel Prize winning economist) on how bad economic managers the GOP really are.
Change 08.
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October 15, 2008 11:42am
Patrick Starr

I did a double take!!!- from Duncan Garners blogsite
http://www.decision08.co.nz/Default.aspx?TabId=125&ArticleID=836

“I thought Clark telling him “he might get away with shouting at home but he won’t get away with it here” was a mistake. What? Do Labour’s spies have access to his home as well as his Parliamentary computer?”

shame he cant reflect that in any interviews he conducts
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October 15, 2008 1:11pm
llew

New topic!

Maori party call for dole to be scrapped (yes, really).

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4728223a11.html
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October 15, 2008 1:41pm
grumpyoldhori

Palin, a female George Wallace.
Wallace neither fired a firearm nor did he plant any bombs.
But like Palin with her, Obama is a terrorist rant, he rarked up idiots to do
just that.
A bundle of gelignite, four dead kids, of course the gelignite was planted
in a Christian manner to kill those kids.
I see some of those god fearing conservatives celebrate that brave deed to
this day.
Kiwi Palin supporters do something like that, nope, they would not even walk
around the Hokianga in white sheets.
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October 15, 2008 2:12pm
grumpyoldhori

Scrap the dole why not ?
There is plenty of work that needs to be done, it would be an interesting
exercise to work out what the dole costs on a per not working person
basis through Winz .
Might work out cheaper to have them working on the minimum wage
than on the dole.
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October 15, 2008 2:19pm
llew

Scrap the dole why not ?

Well makes no diff to me, just wondering what others here think.
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October 15, 2008 2:22pm
cocamc007

John Cleese on Sarah Palin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMyNk8J1c8g
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October 15, 2008 4:23pm
lloydois

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

Obama 60 points clear on Intrade. It’s gonna be a landslide.
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October 15, 2008 4:31pm
PhilBest

Sorry for the triple posting earlier. The system swallowed these into moderation for no reason. I badly would have liked to edit the first one, but it had disppeared. I tried e-mailing Mr Farrar to the effect that I only wanted the last attempt posted, but….
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October 15, 2008 4:35pm
Ryan Sproull

Sorry for the triple posting earlier. The system swallowed these into moderation for no reason. I badly would have liked to edit the first one, but it had disppeared. I tried e-mailing Mr Farrar to the effect that I only wanted the last attempt posted, but….

15 Hail Marys and five Our Fathers.
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October 15, 2008 4:42pm
dave strings

A TOTALLY different topic

Did I see H1 in a skirt on TV last night?
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October 15, 2008 4:59pm
Brad

Heard Helen Clark complaining on RNZ about John Key’s speaking over her in last night’s TV debate. Unbelievable. She dishes it out but can’t take it when on the receiving end. Stick it to her, John
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October 15, 2008 6:04pm
expat

Grumpy Old Hori.

Why would you go to Hokianga to buy sheets?

Herr Klark didnt like getting a bit back did she? Not used to dealing with disent in her ranks – ‘No Helen, Yes Helen, Three bags full Helen’

Hulun showed her distaste for the nuclear family, you know one that has men and women in it.
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October 15, 2008 6:14pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

What do Obama and Osama have in common?

Both have friends who bombed the Pentagon.
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October 15, 2008 9:27pm
riki

well,,

H1 is coming to Wintec tomorrow in her flagless ( I hate that) Prime ministerial vehicle.

I would like to see a poll on Kiwi Blog about having flags re instated on ministerial cars.
The socialists are so ashamed of us. (hate that too)

Anyway,

This is the goss I heard tonight.

Apparently, Shane Jones is being seen as potential PM material. His rhetoric and speaking style is being seen in a very positive light. He’ll have to wait his turn after Phil Goff. But did you see the way his constituents greeted Michael Cullen. The good doctor had to run from his car to indoors with a flourish. He was actually running.

I think Shanes going to be waiting awhile. he’s a lot older than Phil was when he started out. Mou and all.

Aah, the good ol days!
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October 15, 2008 9:30pm
getstaffed

Hulun showed her distaste for the nuclear family

Socialists HATE family. Family represents an authority structure which must be dismantled lest it interfere with the power of the state. The same is true of the church. Marginalise and/or dismantle them, while gaining control over the military, police and judiciary. Only then can socialist utopia be experienced. Except that’s already been tried and it has failed. Badly.
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October 15, 2008 9:38pm
tom hunter

Redeye in the General Debate, Oct 15

I thought it was a reasonable question. Aren’t we allowed to know something philosophical about the man we’re being asked to vote for. What was wrong was that he only asked Key one of these questions.

When I read that comment I thought the same thing about the sniffy nosed responses towards those who brought up the association between Obama and Ayers. I also wondered whether Redeye would spot the irony……?

Redeye in the General Debate, Oct 15

The same people complaining about Keys being asked about something that happened 27 years ago are they same ones complaining/questioning Obama’s old relationships, birthplace, middle name yawn.

Ah! Not exactly.
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October 15, 2008 10:13pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Congratulations where congratulations are due for England winning the netball 40-38 over New Zealand in the second test.
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October 16, 2008 12:47am
DamnedAngry

I wish Centrebet would get their odds on the NZ election sorted out…only offering $1.15 on Key and giving $5 for Clark!

Do they know something that PhilU, REdEye, Paul etc don’t?

They’re not even predicting a close race…

Any Labour supporter care to offer me $5 for Key to win?
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October 16, 2008 2:33am
boigarny

watch final debate online you can watch: http://digbig.com/4xrmm
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