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Glutaemus Maximus

And meanwhile at the top of the planet there is more bizarre socialist shenanigans.

And like NZ, there is a crazy person in charge.

http://www.order-order.com/

Don’t worry this is a good old fashioned right wing blog.

Just scroll down to the psychoanalyst discussing Mr Browns current detached Mania.

As for the latest poll results. No worries

There is only one poll that counts. And HC is looking far too confident. Just like the lovely Mr Brown.

She will go too far! Giggle.
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October 11, 2008 9:30am
Lee C

Three questions for John Key:
1) Is the National Party going to lose the election because compared to the hard-out superior political machinery of the Labour Party, they are a bunch of pansies?
2) Why doesn’t National get their collective fingers out and stop being such a bunch of pushovers?
3) Is the left correct – there is a ‘secret agenda’ but actually it is to lose the election?

Which would explain 1 and 2….
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October 11, 2008 9:38am
Lee C

ps anyone see this from teh VDS:
“If you hear a Nat revealing their secret agenda, let us know. It really is worth getting stuff on tape if you can, too. It is the only way the media will pick it up.” – Is this the crusial difference between teh parties?

Lee – http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/
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October 11, 2008 9:43am
philu

so..yesterday must have been black friday for you nattys..eh..?

..the roy morgan poll..

..that underlined by the tv3 poll..

..and the s.f.o. ‘clearing’ peters..

..and in the background..

..the economic carnage caused largely by adherence to your individualistic/’greed is good’ ‘philosophy’..

..(boy..!..those days are now well and truly ‘gone’..!..eh..?..)

..could it get worse..?

..oh..!..hang on..!..the reaction to the ‘underwhelming’ kiwisaver/r&d gouging/$12 more than labours’ ‘tax plan’..from national..

..hasn’t been factored into that poll..eh..?

..so..it can only get worse for you nattys..really..

..eh..?

..so..you and act..

..eh..?

..i am so looking forward to the sight of key clasping the toxic-viper-to-most-voters that is douglas..to his bosom..

..eh..?

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 11, 2008 9:45am
democracymum

I’m beginning to feel like the odds are completely stacked against the right in the election.
(And it’s not called the right for nothing)

TV1 and TV3 are completely left leaning, exhibit A Duncan Garner’s pathetic excuse for a story
over Bill English being recorded saying “winning is everything”

Listening to talkback last night Pat Britton couldn’t contain his excitement over the dip in the polls, and even suggested
that because a well known blogger was slow on posting recently that somehow he was not being fair to Winston.
Note to Pat, David is not at his desk at the moment.

A couple of nights before he had our Minister of Education crowing about how they were now the first government to be debt free – guess he isn’t part of the inner circle. Apparently Wishart calls him the Artful Dodger, seems like a very
befitting name under the circumstances.

Sometimes it seems that only those of us who are reading these blogs are properly informed, thanks to the great
information provided by David, Whaleoil, The Hive, No Minister and Busted Blonde and others.

So far in this election, the left have secretly filmed the National Party Conference and the Finance Minister has stolen all
of our money so that National will struggle to do anything as government.

But all our stupid MSM can do, is ask Helen what she thinks of the secret recordings, and never ever ask her or any of the other politicians on the left any hard questions.
Some people even think that Winston is now in the clear, because the SFO didn’t lay any charges.

Say what you like about the States but they have a robust media, that digs dirt on both sides.
Ours is working only for one side.
Helen has no intention of winning this election fairly, but will release another secret recording days before the election,
just enough to tip some undeciders her way so she can win another Term.

Is anyone else feeling a real sense of injustice about what’s happening here?
And how can we get the truth out to properly inform people, when our media won’t?
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October 11, 2008 9:53am
Glutaemus Maximus

Well Philu,

Seeing how fast things change, don’t think you have really got any time to be comfortable.

The scandal that is the mismanagement of the NZ economy, seems to have escaped your attention.

Deficits for a decade, maybe National do actually want to throw the election. Stranger things have happened.

Something is about to change voters minds quite soon. Just before the election.

😉
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October 11, 2008 9:54am
homepaddock

Labour is supposed to be governing but has no plan to help with what’s happening now and have yet to trust us with what they’d do if enough voters were stupid enough to allow them a fourth term.
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October 11, 2008 9:59am
first time caller

I thought Key’s campaign opening last night was very very good. I got dizzy watching Clark with the background swirling around too much.

Who the hell is that political lecturer from Akld Uni doing the “impartial” analysis? Cabbage. He couldn’t have used more pro Clark and negative Key buzz words in his 3.30 mins if he tried.

Appalling effort on impartiality from TV1.

Just as well no-one watches them
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October 11, 2008 10:02am
Richard Hurst

I have to agree with Lee C. Why the hell isn’t National on the attack? Hells bell there is now plenty to attack Labour over. I have written about this on my blog.
There are no medals for second place in this election- John, Bill, and the Nats in general- pull finger, get off your arses, light a fire cracker up your backside and get going! Banzi! Attack!
You sleep, you weep.
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October 11, 2008 10:07am
Redbaiter

“Is anyone else feeling a real sense of injustice about what’s happening here?”

Yes- the left are exposing themselves more and more as crooks and cronyists, dishonest scum who will do anything for power, and as you say, the people who read blogs know this, but the general public does not because the mainstream media are crooks too and all part of the Labour Party and are brazenly assisting Klark and her gang in their deceit.

We are in the grip of a bunch of crooks who want to make New Zealand a soviet style socialist totalitarian state, and they just might, through the deceit and deception we are now witnessing, achieve that objective. That’s what is making you uneasy. The knowledge that this dishonesty is going on, at the same time as you seem powerless in preventing it.

The left are the enemies of freedom, and their soldiers are NZ’s mainstream media. The media, TV One and TV Three are the stormtroopers of socialism. Kept in the pocket of government by their innate political sympathies but also by Klark’s numerous bureaucracies, “commissions”, and their associated “public good” advertising budgets. The duplicitous propagandists calling themselves journalists and reporters are just cheating partisan fraudulent scum, who know that their financial well being depends upon the election of the Labour Party.
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October 11, 2008 10:26am
big bruv

At the risk of sounding like that idiot Phool….I told you so!.

For months now I have been uneasy about the campaign strategy the Nat’s have decided on, it is spineless and pathetic.

Can you imagine what Labour would be doing if the roles were reversed, Labour would be attacking the Nat’s about the constant stream of sleaze and corruption that has followed the PM over the last nine years, they would be non stop in reminding people that the Nat’s stole $880,000 from the tax payer, they would be merciless in their attacks on waste in the public sector and brutal in the way they attacked political appointees in the public service.

Most importantly they would be attacking the biased right wing media at every opportunity.

The Nat’s need to understand that the very future of NZ depends on this election, we simply cannot afford another three years of corruption and mind blowingly incompetent mismanagement of the public purse.
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October 11, 2008 10:32am
s.russell

Why the hell isn’t National on the attack?

Confucius say: When enemy is committing suicide, it is best not to disturb their concentration.

Or maybe it was Sun Tzu, or perhaps Mickey Mouse.

Voters in New Zealand do not need reminding about what is bad about Labour, they do need reassuring that National is a safe choice.
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October 11, 2008 10:34am
Gerrit

What PhilU needs to get his head around is the economic reality.

It actually does not matter who wins the election in terms of economic change in New Zealand. There are not going to be enough tax payers to maintain the lifestyle of the tax recipients (public servants included).

So PhilU, enjoy your lifestyle while you can as even the Labour party will have to cut state spending in the future. The pie has shrunk and will shrink even further in the near future. There will not be much of a slice left for the likes of you.

Even under your much vaunted Labour/Green coalition.

Another bout of rogernomics is on the way!!
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October 11, 2008 10:35am
PhilBest

I’m with Glutaemus on this. John Key is actually too much of a nice guy to suffer the inevitable fate that will be his if he WINS the election. Democracymum and the others are quite right about the media, we are being taken for fools, the media actually have no interest in the current socialist government actually paying at the polls for the wreck they have made of the economy and NZ society; it is contrary to their whole worldview.

“Philu” is completely beyond the pale, talking as he does about the “economic carnage caused by greed is good philosophy”, completely prevaricating about the fact that we have had 9 years of socialism and income redistribution. But look, most of the media actually thinks the way “philu” does, that is how stuffed we are as a country. If John Key does become PM, does anyone here believe that the media won’t give him 3 years of hell, regardless of what he does?

I am afraid the future of NZ rests on either the media learning its lesson, or Kiwis coming to completely mistrust the media, and what’s more, mistrust most of what they are told by anyone paid by the government, including schoolteachers. Whether we get 3 more years of Heleban now, or an interlude with a paralysed National government followed by the unleashing of the 4th Reich of the Heleban, clearly we have to actually go bust as a country, with the government running out of creditors willing to lend it money, before it will be accepted as “common knowledge” among Kiwis that socialism, and only socialism, is responsible for the whole mess, because there will be nothing else left to blame. A lot will depend on how long the socialists can get away with blaming everything on “the great free-market-caused crash of 2008”, or blaming everything on global warming, or the weather, or foreigners, or religion, or businessmen, or “refuseniks”, or whatever.

But of course, meanwhile, the media will have progressed from being willing allies, to being explicitly regulated and controlled by the Heleban, blogs like this one will have been banned or regulated out of existence, talk radio likewise. So it may be “too late”, thus does the feckless “free” West fall.
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October 11, 2008 10:42am
philu

i really hope they take your advice there..large sibling..

..a sleaze(?)-attack..

(yeah..repeating/whinging/moaning about paintergate/doongate..as peoples’ financial securities crumble before their eyes..

..that’ll ‘work’..eh..?..large sibling..”

..and attacking the media..

..that should drive you down to about 35%/your ‘core’ vote..eh..?

and as for rat-biters’ tv3 journos are ‘the stormtroopers of socialism’ claims..

(he’s ‘funny’..eh..?…that rat-biter..)

um..!..dosen’t rupert murdoch own tv3/much of our ‘foot-soldiers of socialism’..mainstream media..?

..has anyone told murdoch yet..?

..that he is the leader/enabler of ‘stormtroopers of socialism’..?

..(he/she’s a national-treasure..eh..?..that rat-biter..

..we all need a good guffaw in these troubled times..

..and ratty just delivers..and delivers..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 11, 2008 10:43am
Ford Nucleon

I think s.russell is right about the Nats putting more work into reassuring voters they are a safe pair of hands. The global financial meltdown has created a lot of uncertainty, and when voters feel the future is uncertain they will be more inclined to go with what they know. Cullen’s “prudent” management of the economy and Labour’s social safety nets will be seen by many out in the heartlands as the safer choice. Perhaps this explains the swing in TV3’s poll yesterday?
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October 11, 2008 10:47am
Glutaemus Maximus

The Economy Numbers are being overlooked by the MSM.

All we get is constant sound bites of HC talking about trust, whilst looking smug, and JK and BE on the back foot saying Labour are Pathetic.

What Labour recognise is that the ‘sheeple’ associate HC with Trust. (Not because she has an ounce of Veracity in her.)

And on the other hand they link ‘pathetic’ with JK. It is a real front row sledging situation. Labour are pulling back poll points, and

frankly it doesn’t matter a jot.

From now on JK, BE, and any other Nat or ACT spokesperson have simply got to start using re-assuring words, like trust, safe hands, and the like.

THIS is important.
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October 11, 2008 11:15am
Redbaiter

“Most importantly they would be attacking the biased right wing media at every opportunity”

Sarah Palin said the other day, its hard for her to confront people who buy ink by the barrel. This is freedom’s biggest challenge. Breaking the grip of the left media political bloc, as powerful a political influence as has ever existed. The politicians cannot do it without our help. If you value freedom, you must attack the media.

You must tell your friends. Stop buying their papers. Stop watching their channels. Stop listening to them on radio. Most importantly, if you’re in business, don’t advertise with them. Sure, you might need to advertise, but we have to starve these bastards out. They’re already suffering, from natural economic fluctuations, but also I am sure because many people feel as I do and will not spend another dollar supporting these soviet style propagandist scum.

They can be beaten and their grip on power can be broken. Sure, they’re buying ink by the barrel, but we have the internet, (and the left will eventually take that too if we let them), and we can make a difference. Key and McCain may be weak and ineffectual, and betray us so often, but that only means we must do more ourselves. Keep talking. Keep spreading the word. Keep calling the media/ left power bloc for the corrupt gang of totalitarians they are. Believe me, when you have right on your side, just expressing your opinion loudly and persistently is not as ineffective as you might think.
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October 11, 2008 11:15am
Richard Hurst

“..when voters feel the future is uncertain they will be more inclined to go with what they know.”

All the more reason to attack Labour! If voters go with what they know they’ll be getting a govt and economic manager who has never managed during a crisis, never managed govt during the 1997 Asian financial meltdown, has made quite clear he will not restrain govt spending, has a past record which shows he will not deliver on their future tax cuts promises, will not expand Kiwi saver to the lowest paid, will not give a damn about the economic consequences of the ETS, a coalition partner which considers farmers to be devils with horns and tails that need to drained of their profits and chained up by red tape and broken and a Labour party leadership that has broken the law so many times that such actions are now almost regarded as normal and hardly worth commenting on.
So.. what should National do?
ATTACK!

P.S Nats are doing damn well in the ‘heartland’ by that I mean provincial centers and small towns, especially throughout the South Island. Its urban Christchurch and Wellington etc that they need to get to work and of course the city that really decides who wins NZ elections- Auckland.
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October 11, 2008 11:19am
Redbaiter

“But look, most of the media actually thinks the way “philu” does, that is how stuffed we are as a country.”

Sure, we’re stuffed as a country, and both you and I Phil Best, know the reason for this is that the right have been weak and ineffectual. Ideologically confused and manipulated by leftmedia, a media many on the right stubbornly refuse to acknowledge as their enemy. Sarah Palin comes along, a real person ready to challenge the intellectual/ leftmedia totalitarian power bloc, and many on the right blindly gulp down the kool aid distributed by the media and attack her more intensely than they do the left. When will these gullible morons ever wake up to just how widely and how EASILY they’re being duped and manipulated??
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October 11, 2008 11:34am
PhilBest

THIS GUY said something quite valid on the next thread down:

s.russell (114) Vote: Add rating 11 Subtract rating 0 Says:
October 11th, 2008 at 10:18 am

“I think the explanation is quite simple.

In Canada, art least one poll has shown the ruling Conservatives’ lead over the Liberals declining by six percent. In the US, John McCain has slipped from a 2 percent lead to a 5-6 percent deficit in the RCP average (although doubts about Sarah Palin have doubtless contributed). In the UK, Labour has recovered from a huge deficit to a moderate one. And here in New Zealand, both the TV3 poll and the Morgan poll have shown a big narrowing of National’s lead over Labour to 6 percent and 3 percent respectively.

The common factor is that parties of the left are benefiting, whether in office or not, and the common cause can only be global financial/economic developments. Quite simply, people see the carnage on Wall St and among financial institutions and think capitalism has crapped out. (This IS what many people are thinking and saying, I have heard them.)

The deeper analysis is that parties of the left offer security while parties of the right offer opportunity. In a climate of fear such as these events are creating, people instinctively turn to the left: towards the parties that are most likely to protect them if the economy falls into the crapper. Instead of wanting to get themselves free of Nanny state, they will say “Help! Help! Nanny! Save me from the scary monsters!”

Note too: these polls reflect the mood of a week ago. Over the past week things have gotten much worse. How bad are they going to get? We don’t know. But even if markets all rally tomorrow, huge damage has been done, and confidence has been perilously undermined.

Unfortunately for National, fear trumps every other emotion……”

To which I would add a repeat of my earlier comments…….we will need to get into a jam that can ONLY be blamed on Socialism before we will wake up. And we WILL get into this jam, under the next Heleban Government over either the next 3 years or the following 3, 6 or 9 after John Key’s temporary government has had 3 years of hell from the slimy snivelling socialist lapdog media. I would prefer to just get it over with. If National gets 3 years of government now, the socialists will use that as their excuse for things not being rosier, for the following decade or more.
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October 11, 2008 12:02pm
labrator

To all of those people that thought complaints about anti-terrorist legislation, which was rushed through parliaments around the world in the aftermath of the Twin Towers collapse, were unwarranted: Britain has just used anti-terrorist legislation to seize UK assets belonging to one of Icelands largest banks.

I think that justifies just about all of the claims about why we shouldn’t give governments more power when things go a little wrong, because they’ll abuse it later when something else goes wrong. The “anti-terrorist” legislation has now had the precedent set for what it can be used for in the UK and that precedent is scary.
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October 11, 2008 12:04pm
chrisw76

I’m sorry Redbaiter, but even as a fairly conservative person who would vote for McCain if I was an American, Sarah Palin as McCain’s choice for Vice President is an insult to the American people.

She is being attacked by the media because with her current level of experience she is manifestly unqualified for the position of Vice President. It is great to be able to appeal to ‘Joe Sixpack’ but even ‘Joe Sixpack’ knows that while they can relate to her, and probably even like her on a personal level, it is another thing to put her in such a position of power. If Palin had more experience then she could be a good choice, but the interviews, debates and speeches I have seen so far indicate that she is simply out of her depth and she shouldn’t be there. Being President (which is always a possibility) is about being able to clearly articulate a message and get things done in Washington. McCain has proven he can do it, Palin simply has not.

I can appreciate the political savvy of choosing her as it gave McCain something to appeal to the more socially conservative part of the Republican base, but there were and are better choices out there than Palin.

Cheers, Chris W.
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October 11, 2008 12:07pm
tknorriss

Here is probably my last post to the idiots at “The Standard” before I suspect they ban me as a troll. You be the judge:

I wrote: “Randal, whatever you think of my posts, one thing I have not done is resort to personal insults as a form of argument. It seems to me that you just can’t engage with someone who has a different opinion to yours.

All I have done in this instance is to ask a perfectly reasonable question about why you are not putting anything up about the Dale Jones police investigation. I think this is perfectly reasonable and thought you might actually do some comparisons and contrasts with Steve’s situation. I notice you have not at all disputed my accusation that you would be all over National like a rash in the same circumstances. Therefore, I take it that you agree with me on that point.

Therefore, I think the evidence in this respect suggests that the name of this blog is one word short. Instead of “The Standard” you should be calling yourself “The Double Standard”.”
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October 11, 2008 12:14pm
Grant Michael McKenna

Considering the paradigm of the entity referring to itself as Philu, I have been struck by the manner in which the entity’s self-referential dialectic is governed by a constant disappropriation of the subject, which is all the more striking when set against the background of the absence of any interface by the entity with mundane actualities.
Given the paradigm within which the entity operates, truth is interchangeable with narrative, which thereby in terms of neodeconstructivist theory implies that the entity has interpolated itself into a reality that includes language as a paradox, requiring us, in other words, to be accepting of the validity of the entity’s mythopoetical reality that the entity has succeeded in setting aside what it considers to be the use of archaic, colonialist conceptualisations of normative sexual identity and has thereby contextualised itself into a paradigm that includes reality as a totality, not of discourse, but postdiscourse, whereby any number of potential discourses concerning material rationalism may be discovered, and anything has the meaning which it is claimed to have because it is claimed to have the meaning.
If one examines this dialectic deappropriation undertaken by the entity one is faced with the choice to either accept that the entity’s [lack of] experience results in a manifestation of consciousness which serves to oppress the entity or alternatively, without necessitating the use of the genre of sub-capitalist sexual identity to contextualise the phenomenon, one may simply conclude that the entity has participated in recreational use of pharmaceuticals to an extent that has impaired the entity’s capability to function coherently.
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October 11, 2008 12:22pm
Redbaiter

“She is being attacked by the media because with her current level of experience she is manifestly unqualified for the position of Vice President.”

This is what I mean when I said and “many on the right blindly gulp down the kool aid distributed by the media and attack her more intensely than they do the left.” She is being attacked by the media for one reason only and that is that she is a real threat to the power bloc they are part of. You display the exact mental weakness that the left exploit so well, and its why the so called right have been losing for three decades or more. If the “media” were ever non partisan, and going to attack any one at all on the grounds of “lack of experience”, they would be attacking Obama and Biden,who are both far behind Palin in that respect. You’re apparently too dull to even perceive this obvious bigotry.
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October 11, 2008 12:26pm
reid

Most people who follow politics see bias in the media.

Both lefties and conservatives see bias against them.

I’d suggest it would be fairly easy to list all the political journos and for both sides to come to broad agreement as to whom represented each side. Some of the very best journos, like political scientists, are those whom you can’t place into either category. Templeton is one of those.

So it undeniably exists. Is it a problem though provided media organisations employ both sides? NewstalkZB has both Leighton and Soper, The Herald has O’Sullivan and Misa.

It’s when an organisation gets infested with the damn things that I have a problem. RadioNZ and TVNZ being two current examples.

The thing that really annoys me is lack of coverage of screamingly important stories and lack of depth. It’s a global phenomena and is completely unhelpful in that by doing this the media have abrogated their significant role in educating and informing the public. I mean hello, there are fucking reasons why we have so many uneducated sheep in society and one of them is to do with the fact that someone feeds them so much mindless pap. Continuously, year after year. It’s self-evident from the rise and rise of the blogosphere there is global unsatiated demand for detailed serious information on any number of topics. All you have to do is package it properly and it will sell, big-time. Why they can’t see this is beyond me.
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October 11, 2008 12:30pm
Redbaiter

Why they can’t see this is beyond me.

The are trapped in their own degenerative cycle. Dumbing themselves down further and further each day, fewer intelligent people pick up their rags or swicth to their channel/ station, so they’re forced to sink deeper into the socialist sewer.

BTW, don’t think that Leighton Smith isn’t controlled. IMHO, he’s forbidden from expressing his true feelings on political issues by the management policies of his station. In line with the strategy I address in my first paragraph.
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October 11, 2008 12:38pm
PhilBest

“chrisw76”, I have to agree with Redbaiter. If you are a “conservative”, why the F. do you not appreciate the “experience” that Sarah Palin so obviously DOES bring to the table? It is one thing to have spent years in politics, making accommodations with the machine, and it is quite another to have risen rapidly through the ranks precisely because one is different, and fresh, and principled, and challenged the status quo, representing solid, rock-base conservatism all the way. If you DON’T see Sarah Palin as an answer to prayer, you are NOT a “conservative”, go and join ACORN.

As for Obama becoming President of the US, what “experience” does HE have? A childhood and youth of mentoring from a Communist radical, a move to Chicago precisely because that is where the Black identity politics game is centered, years of poodling along on the Left extreme of the “Chicago machine”, serving on an educational board dedicated to anti-Western, Anti-Judeo-Christian agendas with Bill Ayers the WeatherUnderground man, serving on the boards of charities that handed tens of millions to Mr Ayers causes, his columns in a radical Left community newspaper that could have been penned by Chris Trotter, years training ACORN staff in the tactics of shaking down banks for loans and “affirmative action” and subprime lending to the disadvantaged, his connections to Democratic subprime lending advocacy and the lavish support he enjoys from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, not to mention the church he attended for 20 years, and the pastor who christened his own kids, not to mention the Chicago radical Left strongarm tactics by which he got the Democratic Senate candidate nomination…….BAH.

If that man becomes President of the USA, the whole WORLD is doomed.
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October 11, 2008 12:54pm
chrisw76

Redbaiter: “This is what I mean when I said and “many on the right blindly gulp down the kool aid distributed by the media and attack her more intensely than they do the left.” She is being attacked by the media for one reason only and that is that she is a real threat to the power bloc they are part of. You display the exact mental weakness that the left exploit so well, and its why the so called right have been losing for three decades or more. If the “media” were ever non partisan, and going to attack any one at all on the grounds of “lack of experience”, they would be attacking Obama and Biden,who are both far behind Palin in that respect. You’re apparently too dull to even perceive this obvious bigotry”

I never said that Obama didn’t suffer from the same problem and in fact said that if I was an American voter McCain would probably be my choice. What I did say was that from examining her speeches, debates and interviews I found that she was out of her depth in comparison to her running mate and that he could have chosen better. My real problem is that I don’t think she is a threat to any Washington power broker as they would just run rings around her.

If you disagree with this, then feel free to provide some actual evidence and rationale as to why Palin is a good choice for VP. You might be right that the media misrepresents her. I don’t know because I don’t follow American media that closely. What I have done is gone to the source and formed an opinion. That opinion happens to be similar to that formed by the media. It is quite possible that they simply don’t like her because she is the Republican VP. On the other hand they could have looked at the same things I did and come to the conclusion that she isn’t the best person for the role. Hard to say really…

Cheers, Chris W.
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October 11, 2008 12:55pm
PhilBest

Reid:

“……It’s self-evident from the rise and rise of the blogosphere there is global unsatiated demand for detailed serious information on any number of topics. All you have to do is package it properly and it will sell, big-time. Why they can’t see this is beyond me……”

So, Reid, do you see any role in your information universe, for “Investigate” Magazine, “Free Radical” Magazine, FOX News, The National Review, The Weekly Standard………or have you swallowed the liberal lefty Kool-Aid on those?
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October 11, 2008 12:59pm
reid

Dunno if they’re dumbing themselves down RB. IMO they’re focused on short-term commercial imperatives which has resulted in them rationalising the decision to forsake the opportunity to improve the product offering over time.

TVNZ years ago screened at 11:30PM an excellent doco series on the history of oil – the origins of Standard Oil, Mobil, BP and Shell – written by the same guy who did Commanding Heights.

It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy that such a show will get low ratings. Coverage of the second coming would get low ratings at that time of night.

The trouble is, at this point in time, they’ve done prime-time pap for so long that people have become educated to accept nothing less.

What they don’t see is that they could turn this around by doing the exact opposite and over time it would prove more commercially successful since by definition they’re always aiming at the highest earning demographics. All they have to do is to accept that for awhile this will be unprofitable but the morons can’t see that. They’re idiots.
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October 11, 2008 1:00pm
baxter

Like others I am unable to understand why National doesn’t attack Liabour on ‘TRUST’ they have so many exposed examples of betrayal of trust in their tenure that need to be reiterated time and time again. We now have them protesting ‘prudent management’ by Cullen when he has not only bought a loss making Railway at four times its value and in spite of Treasury recommendations not to, but also has purchase a South Island farm valued by the Goverment at $40 million because of its view and then taken it out of production in order to set it apart for campers and picnickers.
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October 11, 2008 1:04pm
reid

I look at media across the spectrum PhilBest, from the excellent atimes.com, the Wapo, the UK Times, all NZ media, etc etc.

I am familiar with Fox content but watch it rarely since I consider it’s a transparent propaganda tool aimed at morons.

I like Investigate, but haven’t read the others.
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October 11, 2008 1:04pm
chrisw76

Oh in case any one is confused about saying that I lean conservatively, I mean fiscal conservative, not social conservative. I honestly don’t give a damn about what people get up to in the bedroom, think drugs should be legalised (and taxed) [WTF should I pay excise tax on a bottle of Pinot Noir when Cannabis escapes tax free], think the abortion issue is grey not black and white, don’t favour the death penalty as an option (though would probably shoot to kill an intruder in my own house), and have not been particularly religious since I noticed that power corrupts at the age of 5.

Cheers, Chris W.
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October 11, 2008 1:06pm
reid

National isn’t attacking on trust IMO because it’s trying to stand above the fray.

I suspect it’s a McCully special. I quite like his newsletter but he’s an appalling strategist.
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October 11, 2008 1:06pm
PhilBest

I have been thinking of essaying along the following lines for a while. This is an analysis of the “Socialism versus Freedom” issues that the lefty trolls like Philu go on about.

Every country in the world has a “Gross National Income”, that is made up of the totals of everyone’s income. In all Western countries, this income gets “redistributed” to some extent, plus there are services we all enjoy, provided by government in return for taxation.

In a very poor country with NO “redistribution” and very low incomes, it is quite clear to see if most people earn $500 per year, their quality of life is determined by what they can get for $500; plus, they may have the benefit of a road or two and a well or two and suchlike, provided by their government or society.

In a typical Western country, we all get to benefit from extensive infrastructure, this is possibly worth a few grand per annum to each of us. We get security, a police force. We get free education, worth a few grand per year when we’re being educated. We get free health services, worth thousands to those who get them. This is already a form of “redistribution” as we all get the benefit of these things equally while our contributions are unequal.

Then we get straight-out income redistributive policies where cash itself is transferred from those who earn it, to some who have not. We also get subsidies targeted at some people for the purposes of addressing a disadvantage they might have. Subsidised housing, transport, and so on. Then of course, there is a retirement income.

I was reminded recently of some writings of Roger Douglas 20 years ago, in which he pointed out that some of the most disadvantaged people in our society, say a solo mother with 3 children, actually enjoy in the region of $100,000 worth of expenditure on their lives. (And he wrote that 20 years ago). Now, take a society in which there was no such redistribution or subsidy; and imagine how well someone could live if they had 100 grand per year with which to PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES. In fact, we don’t even need to imagine how well somebody DOES live on 100 grand, who has health insurance and who sends their kids to a private school, even when they ARE paying the tax level required of an “income-redistributive” society.

This raises the obvious question, and socialists themselves need to be asking themselves this question, if the independent earner of 100 grand can live so well, why does the RECIPIENT of the same MONEY transferred from the taxpayer, mostly provided in goods and services, have to live so badly?

THIS is the achilles heel of socialism that Sir Roger was bright enough and honest enough to latch onto early in his otherwise red-diaper career. Anyone who has not confronted these realities is either ignorant, perhaps deliberately ignorant, or so consumed by “soak the rich” envy that they simply do not care about outcomes for society.

Sir Roger, the evil bogeyman stooge of the “exploit-the-poor” business roundtable, likes the idea of just giving the solo mum the 100 Grand. For which he is demonised and slagged off against and condemned to political oblivion.
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October 11, 2008 1:25pm
Lee C

tknorriss – I’ve had a similar rocky relationship with the VDS (Very Double Standard) although in fairness I never went in with a completely open mind – but did go in wishing to see if alternative views might be entertained. They aren’t any more than sonic is here. SO, I just got to the stage, where I decided to stop commenting there. I visit and I read, but have come to the conclusion that they are uninterested. But there is more. I am convinced that the Standard was set up by Labour and the EPMU, and is hosted and run by personnel from the above, and was set up with the main intention of smearing John Key and using its presence to feed such suggestions about National to the media, thereby using a ‘faux-paranoia’ meme to persuade swinging voters that National is evil.
SO now I just take the piss out of them on my own blog (while i’m still entitled to have one, because after Labour get back in, it will be subject to improved regulation under a revised EFA, just like kiwiblog will be – But not the VDS, of course as that one will survive intact as ‘in the public interest’.)
This is just one of the reasons that I am so pissed off with National Party being a bunch of naif ‘soft-cocks’ who appear happy to take whatever Labour serve up through the media, ‘sans-lubricante’.
Labour are just better at it than National.
Am I wrong?
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October 11, 2008 1:41pm
reid

Have you seen Commanding Heights PhilBest?

It’s an excellent background to the guy who Douglas got his ideas from. Thatcher, Reagan and Milton Freidman were all students of this guy who is called Hayek. He is of similar status to Keynes.

Not sure if I completely buy this bit of Commanding Heights but its explanation of the origins of the belief from the left as to the evils of capitalism is as follows.

In the 80’s you’ll recall the South American debt crisis. One of Friedman’s accolytes went to Argentina during Pinochet’s regime to implement Hayek’s reforms and he did this during Pinchet’s regime. The lefties seized on this opportunity to create through proaganda, a Pavlovian association, so in the minds of the public there was no difference between on the one hand those reforms and on the other hand that particularly brutal distatorship.

I don’t buy the Commanding Heights these that this was the origin because lefties have been around for a long time, but I have no doubt that over time many lightweight lefty morons have been sucked in by such tactics.

What puzzles me about the lefty anti-capitalism sentitment is that the laws of economics are quite rational and understandable: i.e. it’s not rocket science. There are millions of lefties who are intelligent enough to understand them but it’s as if there’s a short-circuit in their wiring and they just can’t get past the fact that economics is not just about ‘oh the humanity.’

It’s as if the fools are fucked in the head.
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October 11, 2008 1:47pm
PhilBest

Better than that, Reid, I’ve read the book. “The Road To Serfdom” by Friedrich Hayek. I am familiar with what you are talking about, more people need to know this stuff.

You would find a short essay by Hayek, “The Intellectuals and Socialism”, very interesting, it is very relevant to what you say about what people choose to believe.

http://www.mises.org/story/2984

Also, if you are not aware of “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness” by Lyle D. Rossiter, you should be:

http://townhall.com/columnists/LyleHRossiterJrMD/2006/12/04/the_liberal_mind_the_psychological_causes_of_political_madness
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October 11, 2008 2:04pm
reid

Thanks for those Phil.
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October 11, 2008 2:08pm
PhilBest

What you say about the Left tying Capitalism to Fascism goes back well before Pinochet, they do it with Hitler too. The trouble is, those Left/Right analyses break down when there are so many traits not shared by non-Left movements. There is no nexus between Hitler and Libertarianism at all, and very little nexus between Libertarianism and “Paleo-Conservatism”, i.e. the religious/tradition-celebrating Right.

Making the alternative to Socialism, Fascism, in the minds of the ignorant majority, is one of the most cunning ploys of the Left via their control of media and education. Again, read Hayek “The Intellectuals and Socialism” to realise why Socialism has got control of these institutions.
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October 11, 2008 2:12pm
reid

I find the feminism issue an interesting example of the influence of the mechanisms that are used to influence public thinking. By getting control of the universities and using the media to wrap the issue in humanitarian terms they disguise the fact that the issue did not originate in the 60’s but in Soviet Russia in the 20’s.

This disguise has given it a much greater uptake in the West and it’s deliberate and transparent manipulation.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not commenting on the merits or otherwise of the movement, simply on the mechanisms used by social engineers to manipulate public opinion.

The fact they did it and how they did it, is beyond doubt and perfectly provable to those who bother to do some objective research. I consider the question of why they did it and who did it, to be one of the more interesting aspects.
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October 11, 2008 2:24pm
reid

On another aspect of your comment Phil, I wonder how many people understand that Facism is the ultimate expression of socialism.

As I understand it the definition of Facism is creating partnerships between business and the state which are then used for political purposes. Take from Germany the IG-Farben/German Govt partnership that saw the company using slave labour for war production. Those poor bastards were guarded by the govt.

The thing is, socialism = collectivism. Collectivism is the antithesis of personal freedom. Why lefties don’t get that, I have no idea. Oh wait, that’s right, I do: they’re fucked in the head.
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October 11, 2008 2:35pm
toby1845

This whole issue reminds me of a panel discussion I attended in 2005, involving a group of Australian, British and American defence officials. The topic was their countries’ perspectives of current security issues.

The Aussie made a very perceptive comment. He stated that the biggest threat to NZ’s security wasn’t terrorism, or drug trafficking, or religious fundamentalism, or the collapse of governance in the Sth Pacific. Rather, it was the fact that 53% of our population was living on Government welfare. This, he said, would completely paralyse the ability of any NZ Government to respond effectively to a crisis.
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October 11, 2008 3:18pm
Redbaiter

“and have not been particularly religious since I noticed that power corrupts at the age of 5.”

Yeah well, we eventually get to the nub of the issue. Like so many people calling themselves “right wing”, you allow your Stalinist style hatred of religion to drive your anti-Palin bigotry. You clearly missed the whole point of my initial post, that the exploitation of this anti-Christian bigotry has allowed the left to dominate the political dioscourse for three or more decades now.

Get over it for fucks sake. In a truly free society, people are entitled to their religious beliefs. After all, it has been the secularists like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and so many others who have been responsible for millions of deaths last century, not the Christians.

I say again, as you seem to be a bit slow in grasping the real point, it is your anti-Christian bigotry that has allowed the left by the age old strategy of divide and conquer, to attain the political supremacy they have. This point is highlighted by your own attacks on Palin, wherein you are prepared to repeat leftist propaganda and lies against her merely because she is Christian. The “intellectual” left love “right wingers’ like you, while they hate Palin. Doesn’t that give y
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October 11, 2008 3:52pm
Redbaiter

Doesn’t that give you a clue?
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October 11, 2008 3:54pm
reid

The thing about Palin that I don’t get is that she is palpably unqualified to assume the Presidency which is a high liklihood.

Even as the VP, she lacks the required quantity of what it takes in the following areas: experience, ability, intellectual horsepower, management skills and leadership charisma.
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October 11, 2008 4:09pm
Redbaiter

“Even as the VP, she lacks the required quantity of what it takes in the following areas: experience, ability, intellectual horsepower, management skills and leadership charisma.”

What crap. As the Governor of Alaska she has achieved so much, taking on big oil, established political/ business interests and taking on and defeating the Republican party old boy network. She enjoys the highest approval rating by far of any US governor. No charisma? Since she joined the campaign McCain’s crowd sizes have doubled. Her debate with Biden drew more viewers than the Obama McCain debate.

The left hate her because she challenges their “intellectual” power bloc. She’s one of us. Is that something that should disqualify her from any high position in politics?? Man it pisses me off to see so called rightists so weakly buying in to the leftist bullshit on Palin. Any Palin hating bigoted Democrat zealot or mainstream media fake partisan “journalist” could have written the sentence above by Reid. Why can’t you people wake up to how you are being manipulated?

..and the left do it so easily.. Pitiful.
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October 11, 2008 4:30pm
reid

Experience as governer of a very small state is not adequate for the Presidency and she fails on management experience for the same reason.

Ability and intellectual horsepower so far not evident although she can deliver speeches and talking points thought up by others quite well.

Popularity esp when you’re talking about American politicial crowds does not have any association with political ability. Look how poorly Ron Paul rates and he’s more capable than anyone in Congress.
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October 11, 2008 4:41pm
philu

“..The left hate her because she challenges their “intellectual” power bloc. She’s one of us..”

is reddy admitting to being a dumb-arse..?..a bit of a ‘thicko’..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 11, 2008 4:58pm
Redbaiter

“Look how poorly Ron Paul rates and he’s more capable than anyone in Congress.”

Well that’s funny because the “capable” Paul’s plan was at one time to bring in Palin as his running mate. So whose judgment is up shit creek here again?? Paul’s or yours?
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October 11, 2008 4:59pm
Redbaiter

“Ability and intellectual horsepower so far not evident”

Repeating this over and over (as the left do) is not going to make it true. As I’ve already tried to point out, nobody who “lacked intellectual horsepower” could have achieved what she did in Alaska. Check out some of the videos of her past debates. I don’t think you have a clue what you’re talking about.
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October 11, 2008 5:06pm
reid

“Well that’s funny because the “capable” Paul’s plan was at one time to bring in Palin as his running mate. So whose judgment is up shit creek here again?? Paul’s or yours?”

If that’s the case RB then I’ll look into it. Do you have a particular ref for me?
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October 11, 2008 5:09pm
Redbaiter

Sigh- No I don’t, but I’ll try and find one for you. However, I do remember reading about the possibility long before she was ever mentioned as McCain’s VP, and when I first heard of her nomination, I remembered her at the time as the person who was once proposed as Paul’s running mate.
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October 11, 2008 5:23pm
RRM

Looks like we’re going to find out OFFICIALLY whether or not Palin is a corrupt power-abuser shortly:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7662607.stm

I particularly liked:
“In what the BBC’s Jonathan Beale in Washington describes as a clear attempt to deflect any potential criticism, Mrs Palin’s allies claim the issue has been muddled by innuendo, rumour and politics.”
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October 11, 2008 5:27pm
ianmac

As a sometimes reader at this site I cannot understand who most of you are trying to persuade. Very few actually address any problem. It seems to be a counterproductive process to endlessly yell “liars. cheats, stolen election, fascist, ‘ ad nauseum. As probably a left leaning floating voter, there is so little in the rants above that would possibly persuade me. The few who attempt to discuss get drowned out by the screamers. If anything I would be put off. Who on earth would join up with Redbaiter or Reid etc. Interesting discussion on the growth capitalism, Liberalism, fascism etc but have no connection with NZ ???? Keep up the sanity Philu.
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October 11, 2008 5:30pm
reid

Nah don’t worry, I’ll find one myself, just wondered if you had a good one handy.

Have a look at this:

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/republican-concerns-about-palin-grow/
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October 11, 2008 5:33pm
reid

Nah don’t worry, only thought you might have one handy.

Have a look at this and tell me what you think about the ethics violations in the photo captions.

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/republican-concerns-about-palin-grow/
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October 11, 2008 5:36pm
reid

Nah don’t worry, only thought you might have one handy.

Have a look at this and tell me what you think about the ethics violations in the photo captions.

news.aol.com/elections/article/republican-concerns-about-palin-grow

FFS WordPress is shit. It’s captured the last two posts just cause of that link. Dave, WordPress is shit.
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October 11, 2008 5:38pm
Redbaiter

Here’s one-

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/352094/palin_on_ron_paul_right_on_campaign

Quote-

[Palin] described the anti-war, libertarian-leaning congressman from Texas as “cool.”

“He’s a good guy,” she said of Paul. “He’s so independent. He’s independent of the party machine. I’m like, ‘Right on, so am I.'”

Paul supporters were delighted. In fact, they even began promoting Palin as a possible veep choice for the Texas congressman.

Unquote
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October 11, 2008 5:47pm
reid

Thanks.
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October 11, 2008 5:49pm
reid

Well that link says that Paul’s supporters were delighted but it didn’t say Paul himself supported her and it did note he refuses to support the McCain campaign. Didn’t know that, but anyway I’ll keep looking, thanks again.
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October 11, 2008 5:52pm
Redbaiter

“Have a look at this and tell me what you think about the ethics violations in the photo captions.”

Really, why would I be reading anything from AOL-?? Nevertheless, the findings are the work of one man who was hired by a politician out to get Palin and who promised an October surprise. The finding is merely a malicious and partisan fraud and beat up, that the left media will flog to death.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2102873/posts
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October 11, 2008 5:53pm
Redbaiter

“Well that link says that Paul’s supporters were delighted but it didn’t say Paul himself supported her and it did note he refuses to support the McCain campaign.”

Fair enough. I too cannot find a link to Paul himself actually considering her, so I could be mistaken. Nevertheless there is a tonne of stuff out there from Libertarians who suggest her as a possible running mate for Paul, (as you’ve probably discovered yourself), including this from the “Daily Paul”.

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Sarah Palin Would Be Best VP For Ron Paul
Posted September 22nd, 2007 by freeman
There has been some little bit of thought been put into who would make a good running mate for Dr. Paul’s presidential bid, and I believe I have located the absolute perfect person for the job: Sarah Palin, Republican Governor of Alaska, one of the most free states in the country.

As I have thought about this, it has seemed obvious to me that there just aren’t a whole lot of Ron Pauls running around out there from which to choose, but a look a closer look at Mrs. Palin reveals a startlingly familiar them to this Ron Paul supporter:

She has strong, rooted family values (she has four children and her husband is a commercial fisherman), was a two-time mayor of Wasilla, one of Alaska’s fastest-growing communities, was elected President of the Alaska Conference of Mayors, and is probably the most popular governor in the U.S., with an approval rating in the 90% range!

In addition to being the youngest Governor in the history of Alaska, she is also the first woman to hold that office.

She has publicly complained about fellow Republicans’ unethical behavior and references Alaska’s Constitution whenever she speaks. Considered a maverick in the GOP, she goes around saying things like: “Fiscally speaking, the private sector can do a better job than government can do.” and “Also just trusting individuals to make wise decisions for themselves and families. I have a lot of trust in individuals. I don’t trust government nearly as much.” She recently signed a bill making it a crime for public servants not to report bribery they know about. Does any of this sound a bit familiar to a Ron Paul supporter?

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/2317
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October 11, 2008 5:59pm
reid

“Really, why would I be reading anything from AOL”

Because it lists ethical violations from Alaskan State authorities. Here they are:

<blockquote(FILES): This September 25, 2008 file photo shows US Republican vice presidential candidate Alaska Governor Sarah Palin listening as Republican presidential nominee John McCain addresses the Clinton Global Initiative in New York City. Palin abused her position as Alaska Governor by pressuring officials to dismiss a state trooper, an investigator’s report said October 10, 2008. In a 263-page report released by Alaska’s Legislative Council following a six-hour closed doors hearing, investigator Steve Branchflower said Palin was guilty of violating state ethics rules for public officials. “I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110 (a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act,” Branchflower wrote in the report. AFP PHOTO / Files / Mandel NGAN (Photo credit should read MANDEL NGAN/AFP/Getty Images)

AFP/Getty Images

Republican vice presidential candidate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, speaks at a rally near Wilmington, Ohio Thursday, Oct. 9, 2008. Palin abused her power as governor by trying to have her former brother in law fired as a state trooper, the chief investigator of an Alaska legislative panel concluded Friday. (AP Photo/Tom Uhlman)

AP

Republican vice presidential nominee, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, waves to supporters as she arrives at the airport of Allentown, Pennsylvania, in this October 8, 2008 file photo. An Alaska ethics inquiry found that Palin abused the power of her office by dismissing the state’s public safety commissioner, according to a report released on October 10, 2008. REUTERS/Carlos Barria/Files (UNITED STATES) US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN 2008 (USA)

Reuters

Stephen Branchflower, who was hired by the Legislative Council to investigate Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s dismissal of her public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, sits in a Legislative Council room at the Information Building in Anchorage, Alaska , Friday Oct. 10, 2008. Alaska lawmakers are meeting behind closed doors to discuss the ethics report. The Republican vice presidential nominee has been accused of firing the commissioner to settle a family dispute. An investigator’s report was expected to be released later Friday. (AP Photo/Al Grillo)
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October 11, 2008 6:02pm
Redbaiter

Sorry- still don’t get it. What’s your point??
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October 11, 2008 6:14pm
riki

‘She has publicly complained about fellow Republicans’ unethical behavior and references Alaska’s Constitution whenever she speaks. Considered a maverick in the GOP, she goes around saying things like: “Fiscally speaking, the private sector can do a better job than government can do.” and “Also just trusting individuals to make wise decisions for themselves and families. I have a lot of trust in individuals. I don’t trust government nearly as much.” She recently signed a bill making it a crime for public servants not to report bribery they know about. Does any of this sound a bit familiar to a Ron Paul supporter?’

Outstanding analysis on any politician in this day and age. I there fore wonder why she doesn’t espouse these views on the platform she’s promoting instead of constantly playing the personality game.

This is why the media is making her so mis-understood. She won’t focus on who she really is.

Instead of asking who Obama is she should explain who she is.

Ideologicaly, she is throwing a boomerang at Obama which immediately turns back to hit her own head.

Communication break down of her own doing.
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October 11, 2008 6:18pm
reid

No particular point RB, just illustrating there can be grounds for thinking that Palin’s Alaskan record isn’t really the greatest.

riki, I said in February that when Obama and McCain got to around this point in the cycle, that the media would throw some dirt at Obama that would cost him the election.

McCain and Palin through their latest tactics are just warming up the public for this.
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October 11, 2008 7:11pm
Redbaiter

“No particular point RB, just illustrating there can be grounds for thinking that Palin’s Alaskan record isn’t really the greatest.”

FFS..!! You’re kidding me right?? Surely you’ve got more brains than to take this partisan artifice with more than a grain of salt. Did you not read the link I supplied above? Thoroughly debunks this worthless left wing crap. Just look at your sources for chrissake- Reuters, AP. For god’s sake, you don’t still give these despicably partisan organisations a skerrick of credibility do you?. Do you??? Can’t believe it.
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October 11, 2008 7:53pm
reid

I can’t believe it either RB, but there we are.
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October 11, 2008 8:21pm
reid

Look, you may be right, time will tell. I however believe that whatever Palin turns out to be, both her and McCain if elected will prove to be a total disaster worse even than Bush. It’s that bad.

Obama is almost but just fractionally less bad, and he carries the possibility of a JFK-like spirit which would be interesting. I wouldn’t vote for either even if I could.
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October 11, 2008 8:32pm
expat

To paraphrase GMM – Philu is a fucking nutter.

“Considering the paradigm of the entity referring to itself as Philu, I have been struck by the manner in which the entity’s self-referential dialectic is governed by a constant disappropriation of the subject, which is all the more striking when set against the background of the absence of any interface by the entity with mundane actualities.
Given the paradigm within which the entity operates, truth is interchangeable with narrative, which thereby in terms of neodeconstructivist theory implies that the entity has interpolated itself into a reality that includes language as a paradox, requiring us, in other words, to be accepting of the validity of the entity’s mythopoetical reality that the entity has succeeded in setting aside what it considers to be the use of archaic, colonialist conceptualisations of normative sexual identity and has thereby contextualised itself into a paradigm that includes reality as a totality, not of discourse, but postdiscourse, whereby any number of potential discourses concerning material rationalism may be discovered, and anything has the meaning which it is claimed to have because it is claimed to have the meaning.
If one examines this dialectic deappropriation undertaken by the entity one is faced with the choice to either accept that the entity’s [lack of] experience results in a manifestation of consciousness which serves to oppress the entity or alternatively, without necessitating the use of the genre of sub-capitalist sexual identity to contextualise the phenomenon, one may simply conclude that the entity has participated in recreational use of pharmaceuticals to an extent that has impaired the entity’s capability to function coherently.”
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October 11, 2008 8:54pm
Redbaiter

“Obama is almost but just fractionally less bad”

What?? Palin is rail roaded by a partisan kanagaroo court on some trumped up non event, and Barack Obama, black Liberation Theology believing, Marxist, Communist, friend of terrorists, admitted drug abuser, unaccomplished, most left senator, liar, arrogant, meddler in foreign affairs during a time of war, assister of foreign Muslim murderous cousin, precipitator of the worst world financial meltdown in decades, friend of felony vote fraud organization is fractionally less bad??? Fractionally less bad?????

Is hobknobbing with admitted, unrepenting domestic terroists “fractionally less bad”???? Is relying on a convicted slumlord for financing and land deals that favor you “fractionally less bad”???? Is sitting in the pews for 20 years in an activist church while the pastor you veiw as your “mentor” spouts racisim and hatred of America “fractionally less bad”????

Is undermining the President of the United States and meeting with Iraqi leaders to try to get them to change their minds about a timeline for US forces in their country “fractionally less bad”????? Is telling your supporters to get “in the faces of Republicans” and antagonize them “fractionally less bad”????? Is traveling to a Third World nation on taxpayer dollars as a US Senator where your Communist, pro Islamic terrorist cousin is running for office to support him and encourage violence “fractionally less bad”????

Pffft, sometimes I wonder if there is any hope for the civilized world at all when it seems so detached from reality.
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October 11, 2008 9:12pm
Glutaemus Maximus

Once again Redbaiter is perfectly right, and anyone daring to take any counter view is wrong.

Franlky to have such a strong view on Politics, and Political Personalities in the States is a bit odd.

For the record most people in the UK think Palin to be lightweight, and a potential liability. Only because Alaskans don’t seem

to get out much. An attractive candidate with a lot of bottle. Some admirable qualities. She is however a literal heartbeat away from

incredible power. Most Brits find that really scary.

Myopia, what a lovely place to be.
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October 11, 2008 9:45pm
Redbaiter

Most Brits find that really scary.

Not that I would ever be so arrogant as to presume to speak for “most Brits”, but considering the shit filled sewer that they have recently made of a country that once led the world in respect for individual liberty, who the damn hell cares what such a country of what must be semi-civilized half educated knuckle dragging barbarians might think anyway? You sneer at Alaska? How ignorant. Alaska is light years ahead of that turgid stinking inwardly collapsing crime ridden communist backwater the UK.
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October 11, 2008 9:57pm
redeye

Gosh darn it all. Sarah certainly had a right to complain about those tricky gotcha questions from the media like, “What newspapers do you read?” don’t ya all think?

Isn’t little redbaiter just adorable.
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October 11, 2008 10:26pm
Glutaemus Maximus

Well Redbaiter, you certainly speak for yourself.

Why so angry? Why the virtiole and venom? GB is a mess. So is the US, and NZ.

Do something constructive instead of just Rhetoric.

Alaska look great in the Summer.

And you get Russia as a neighbour.

Take the oil away, and you have a large peninsula Iceland.

Just point me to a Country that completely works to your desired format?
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October 11, 2008 10:30pm
DamnedAngry

I thought I was ‘DamnedAngry’ but RedBaiter you take the cake!

I’m totally 100% in agreeance with your posts and your ‘baiting’ is working wonders…lol
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October 12, 2008 2:13am
expat

Ha! Just listening to BBC R4 talkback about credit crisis and what should be done about it! Fuck me!

The great british intellect at work, fuck n hell, a bunch of crusty old cunts regurgitating what they read in the daily mail and the telegraph, ub-fucking-believable.

Not one of them has pinged the central banks for pumping tirillions of $ of liquidity into the market place, not one of them has bemoaned the vast housing wealth they have built up at the expense of their kids.

But I digress.

Best Beer for bbq’ING with.
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October 12, 2008 2:21am
expat

Ha! Just listening to BBC R4 talkback about credit crisis and what should be done about it! Fuck me!

The great british intellect at work, fuck n hell, a bunch of crusty old cunts regurgitating what they read in the daily mail and the telegraph, un-fucking-believable.

Not one of them has pinged the central banks for pumping tirillions of $ of liquidity into the market place, not one of them has bemoaned the vast housing wealth they have built up at the expense of their kids, not one of them has mentioned the building society shares they raped.

Fucking boomers.

But I digress.

Best Beer for bbq’ING with.
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October 12, 2008 2:23am
Rex Widerstrom

For those (like myself) having difficulty decoding the seemingly urelated words with which Plain constructs answers to perfectly simple questions, a handy flowchart can be found here.
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October 12, 2008 2:34am
Glutaemus Maximus

There was always the satirical TV program ‘Spitting Images’

They would have feasted on Sarah Palin.

I really think she has a lot to offer, to a School Friends Committee.

Not knowing what papers she reads is really very scary. As they demonstrated on Spitting Images, with Reagan.

“The Presidents Brain is missing”, given what we know now about his premature dementia. They were about spot on.

Like when he said hello to Diana on Brittania. “Hello Princess David”

Listen, I think Obama lacks substance, and could be easily be discovered to be a charlatan. Biden is confused, and Billary were just too corrupt to be contemplated. I think given a chance the Yanks would vote for Fony Tony Blair.

The only pollie in the States with any Gravitas is McCain. And he is too close to death.

I always thought Colin Powell might give it a shot, but he was apparently warned off!

The only really interesting comment to come from the States, was when Hilary Clinton stated that

“If there was a terrible Nuclear War, apart from Cockroaches, the only other survivor would be Helen Clark”

What on earth can she have meant?

PS Baiting is good fun, but there is an election to win!
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October 12, 2008 3:00am
Glutaemus Maximus

Damned Angry,

“your ‘baiting’ is working wonders…lol”

How so?

A tedious, repetitive, blinkered, opinionated bigot.

I have no problem with other people’s opinions. The only issue to me are the misdeeds of the ruling party, and AXIS.

Having watched again, why don’t you come up North and ‘educate’ the cowardly, gutless British. The British National Party could

always find a good use for buffoons like you. Bring your commie bashing experience. There are plenty of heads to bash!

And to all the sychophants, who are of the same shameless thought process. Time to grow up.
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October 12, 2008 3:32am
Glutaemus Maximus

Does anybody have any basic statistics on our new national railway.

Amount, and type of rolling stock.

Line frequency

Average ticket cost?

Usage

Ferry figures

The important question is total revenue pa, over total capital
cost, plus opportunity cost of the capital injected. Divided by total population, and also by potential or actual users.

I swear it will be a huge abortion. And Labour are proud? FFS.
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October 12, 2008 5:55am
paradigm

GM, I think National pushed the wrong line when attacking labour over the trains: What everyone remembers is them attacking labour for “buying a trainset”, when what they really needed to push is them being “ripped off” (or for even more impact “ripped off by Australians”). Much of the public don’t care for ideological discussions as to whether state ownership is good, or even believe it is good for the government to own assets. By alligning themselves more toward the centre, national is obviously trying to solicit these people’s votes. As such they need to direct their attacks toward what the centre to centre-left people will respond to. Stressing state ownership will only serve to attract people who will inevetibly vote act or national anyway and are thus preaching to the converted.

Also with regard to labour being proud of what is in fact a poor situation: remember last election Helen Clark repeatedly mentioned that being “very very very close firends” with the US was something to be proud of, and made use of it in labour adverts. The actual context of the statement was whether NZ was an ally or a friend of the US. As we had our troops fighting with US forces, anything less than ally is insulting (and incidentally not worth of a free trade deal). Interestingly, no major media service ever called Labour out over this. I suspect none will really question the next spin line they spew out either. Their ability to make deductions and agressively question politicians has severely atrophied under the labour government.
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October 12, 2008 7:54am
Glutaemus Maximus

Dear Paradigm,

“Their ability to make deductions and agressively question politicians has severely atrophied under the labour government.”

Wonderful prose. JK is inhibited in having a go due to his revealed share deals in Tranzrail.

I really want to know how active his speculation was during the period of him being Shadow AS Minister of Transport.

Had he remained a backbencher it would have been of no interest, even Cullen said it was never insider dealing!

So was H1 being very naughty by saying he was ever so active in trading at the particular juncture? Or was it one trade? Two?

We need to know.

Compared to the rank hypocrisy from WP, it seems strange that she is allowed to be so vehement by the MSM, when it is obvious to the brighter folks that the real scam was the eventual deal done with the Aussies. Toll must still be dining out on that one!

Who needs the Bledisloe when you can stuff NZ for $500m minimum.

What is the cost per taxpayer for this Stephenson’s Rocket? Talk about Thomas the Tank Engine!

This is never going to be a good deal.
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October 12, 2008 8:45am
Owen McShane

The confused thinking about fascism and socialism persists.
In essence, socialism is the dark side of the tradition of the Enlightenment.
Fascism is the dark side of the tradition of the Romantic movement.
Communism combines the dark side of both.
For elaboration go to:http://www.rmastudies.org.nz/index.php/issues/43-smart-growth
And open item 13: The Rise of the Urban Romantics or the New Road to Serfdom.
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October 12, 2008 11:29am
getstaffed

Clark report in stuff: “Labour will move to prepare a formal economic statement for release in December, setting out the steps to be taken to reignite the economy,” she said.

Of course. Work on MSM consumed sound-bites, smearing and outright lies to win the election, and then announce all sorts of [previously failed] socialist policies that no one gave them a mandate for.
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October 12, 2008 7:54pm
Patrick Starr

getstaffed you have to admit she’s a seasoned campaigner. she knows how to “win at all cost”…. unfortunately which is something lacking in the Nats campaign
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October 12, 2008 8:10pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

reid says on October 11th, 2008 at 4:09 pm:

The thing about Palin that I don’t get is that she is palpably unqualified to assume the Presidency which is a high liklihood

Stop eating up the shit of the Left reid. They’re Morons. Why would you want to listen to what those Leftist Morons say?
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October 13, 2008 6:49am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

reid says on October 11th, 2008 at 1:00 pm:

TVNZ years ago screened at 11:30PM an excellent doco series on the history of oil – the origins of Standard Oil, Mobil, BP and Shell – written by the same guy who did Commanding Heights.

Was the documentary EXTREME OIL?
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