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September 12, 2008 10:30am by David Farrar

Obama’s Electoral Map

Very funny, and apt. Hat Tip: Gman

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berend

DPF, you shouldn’t criticize community organiser Jesus. That’s simply not on. Criticizing Pontius Pilate, aka Governor Palin, is acceptable. And btw, I support the separation of church and state.
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September 12, 2008 10:41am
stephen

Heh, gutted for Obama. What an elitist, or something. What’s with the colours though?
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September 12, 2008 10:42am
Ross Miller

philu supports him …. does that mean that phil’s a zero too?
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September 12, 2008 11:08am
Murray

I laughed and I laughed… then I stopped for a bit and then I started laughing again.

Jubo Ears Hussain, the light relief of the 2008 election
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September 12, 2008 11:08am
poneke

But you and fellow travellers such as The Hive and No Minister are running the McCain – Palin campaign. How many votes do they get in New Zealand?
🙂

[DPF: Well I have many US based readers :-)]
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September 12, 2008 11:30am
Redbaiter

Thanks for the laugh. Colours are wrong tho. Given that Europe is largely a collection of slowly disintegrating social democrat [read communist] cesspools, shouldn’t it all be red?
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September 12, 2008 11:35am
radar

“Given that Europe is largely a collection of slowly disintegrating social democrat [read communist] cesspools, shouldn’t it all be red?”

Do you regard Scandinavia as being a part of Europe? Denmark was recently found to be the happiest country in the world, and Norway has the highest standard of living in the world. Denmark, Finland, and Sweden are all close behind. Does anyone ever wonder what life is like on Redbaiter’s planet? I have been to Europe and I didn’t see one cesspool. You need to get out and about more.

“Jubo (sic) Ears Hussain, the light relief of the 2008 election”

Stop trying to hide your racism, Murray, and just come out with it. Take off your white hood and reveal yourself.
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September 12, 2008 11:42am
Craig Ranapia

And the point, DPF? I notice you’re not exactly shy about offering opinions about politics in nations where you don’t get a vote either.

DPF, you shouldn’t criticize community organiser Jesus. That’s simply not on. Criticizing Pontius Pilate, aka Governor Palin, is acceptable.

Well, Berend, cut the cry-baby bullshit. McCain and Palin were quite happy to treat “community organiser” as a dirty word (well, two) and someone turned it around in terms that gets good Christians where they live. Aww, isn’t it mean when the people you attack don’t just curl up and die?

And I’m not the only person who noted the irony that the delegates lapping up the put down were there because they’re pretty effective “community organisers” themselves — or do pixies run the GOP grassroots organisation — including registration drives, voter turn-out operations etc. that are critical in an election season — nowadays?

[DPF: The point is I found it funny. Another point is exactly that – those of us overseas don’t get a vote. Overseas sentiment is 90%+ for Obama, but it is more finely balanced back home.

I still think Obama is more likely to win, at this stage, incidentially]
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September 12, 2008 11:43am
Zippy Gonzales

What do you think pork bareller Palin’s going to do the federal deficit? Europe’s going to have the last laugh.
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September 12, 2008 11:43am
Redbaiter

“Norway has the highest standard of living in the world”

God save us from the proclamations of half educated socialist children. Because it is oil rich, not because of the efforts of ignorant fools like you.
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September 12, 2008 11:52am
stephen

I know some other zany countries that are oil rich!
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September 12, 2008 11:54am
lloydois

LOL. Last time I was there the standard of living in all those disintegrating social democrat cess pools was pretty darned good. A top 10 ranking of GDP per capta would suggest likewise.

Luxembourg
Norway
Qatar
Iceland
Ireland
Switzerland
Denmark
Sweden
Finland
Netherlands

Now she’s decided war with Russia is an option perhaps NZ doesn’t look so bad after all!
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September 12, 2008 11:58am
Murray

Oh goody my stalker is following me about now.
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September 12, 2008 12:15pm
stephen

Would be a poor stalker who didn’t.
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September 12, 2008 12:19pm
somewhatthoughtful

lloydois makes a good point. Although that is pretty funny. One thing though, Obama’s not that far away from today’s national party based on where the nats were in 2005 under a more market-driven leader (brash) and assuming they’ve moved more left/centrist since then under mister ‘me-too’.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008
http://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2005
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September 12, 2008 12:23pm
Murray

And yet still annoying stephen.
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September 12, 2008 12:33pm
radar

Yes, lloydois, you are right. Of that ten-country list nine are in Europe. Is this the “cesspool” the village idiot speaks of? Can’t be.
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September 12, 2008 12:36pm
Redbaiter

“Yes, lloydois, you are right. Of that ten-country list nine are in Europe. Is this the “cesspool” the village idiot speaks of? Can’t be.”

Funny then ain’t it, how everyone wants a US passport.
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September 12, 2008 1:51pm
stephen

Lah-tinos?
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September 12, 2008 1:54pm
PhilBest

Illydois, where the F did you get THAT list of GDP per capita?

What about THIS one?

1 Qatar
2 Luxembourg
3 Bermuda
4 Jersey
5 Norway
6 Brunei
7 Singapore
8 United States
9 Guernsey
10 Cayman Islands
11 Ireland
12 Hong Kong
13 Switzerland
14 Kuwait
15 Andorra
16 Iceland
17 Netherlands
18 British Virgin Islands
19 Austria
20 Canada
21 Gibraltar
22 Denmark
23 United Arab Emirates
24 Sweden
25 Australia
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September 12, 2008 2:40pm
PhilBest

Some comments:

Little tax haven countries do very well. (Bermuda, Jersey, Guensey, Cayman Islands)

Oil wealthy countries do well IF they handle their wealth the right way. (Qatar, Norway)

Smaller countries surrounded by big markets, with good economic management, do well (Luxemburg, Singapore, Ireland)

Too much Socialism tends to squander advantage that a country once possessed (France, Germany – yes, I know, they aren’t even on the list)

Strong historic ethics of work, thrift, and responsibility, enable a country to adopt lots of Socialism for a long time before it turns it into a busted-arse country (Sweden).
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September 12, 2008 2:48pm
PhilBest

Recommended Reading:

“EU versus USA”, by Fredrik Bergstrom and Robert Gidehag

http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf

Illydois, you are full of shit.
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September 12, 2008 2:52pm
PhilBest

I just posted a link to a PDF study, “EU versus USA” by Fredrik Bergstrom and Robert Gidehag, and it has been swallowed up in moderation.

Basically, Illydois, you are full of shit.

Here is the Wall Street Journal:

Europe vs. America
Germany edges out Arkansas in per capita GDP.
Sunday, June 20, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT

“The growing split between the U.S. and Europe has been much in the news, mostly on foreign policy. But less well understood is the gap in economic growth and standards of living. Now comes a European report that puts the American advantage in surprisingly stark relief.

The study, “The EU vs. USA,” was done by a pair of economists–Fredrik Bergstrom and Robert Gidehag–for the Swedish think tank Timbro. It found that if Europe were part of the U.S., only tiny Luxembourg could rival the richest of the 50 American states in gross domestic product per capita. Most European countries would rank below the U.S. average, as the chart below shows.

The authors admit that man doesn’t live by GDP alone, and that this measure misses output in the “black” economy, which is significant in Europe’s high-tax states. GDP also overlooks “the value of leisure or a good environment” or the way prosperity is spread across a society.

But a rising tide still lifts all boats, and U.S. GDP per capita was a whopping 32% higher than the EU average in 2000, and the gap hasn’t closed since. It is so wide that if the U.S. economy had frozen in place at 2000 levels while Europe grew, the Continent would still require years to catch up. Ireland, which has lower tax burdens and fewer regulations than the rest of the EU, would be the first but only by 2005. Switzerland, not a member of the EU, and Britain would get there by 2010. But Germany and Spain would need until 2015, while Italy, Sweden and Portugal would have to wait until 2022.

Higher GDP per capita allows the average American to spend about $9,700 more on consumption every year than the average European. So Yanks have by far more cars, TVs, computers and other modern goods. “Most Americans have a standard of living which the majority of Europeans will never come anywhere near,” the Swedish study says.

But what about equality? Well, the percentage of Americans living below the poverty line has dropped to 12% from 22% since 1959. In 1999, 25% of American households were considered “low income,” meaning they had an annual income of less than $25,000. If Sweden–the very model of a modern welfare state–were judged by the same standard, about 40% of its households would be considered low-income.

In other words poverty is relative, and in the U.S. a large 45.9% of the “poor” own their homes, 72.8% have a car and almost 77% have air conditioning, which remains a luxury in most of Western Europe. The average living space for poor American households is 1,200 square feet. In Europe, the average space for all households, not just the poor, is 1,000 square feet.

So what is Europe’s problem? “The expansion of the public sector into overripe welfare states in large parts of Europe is and remains the best guess as to why our continent cannot measure up to our neighbor in the west,” the authors write. In 1999, average EU tax revenues were more than 40% of GDP, and in some countries above 50%, compared with less than 30% for most of the U.S.

We don’t report this with any nationalist glee. The world needs a prosperous, growing Europe, and its relative economic decline is one reason for growing EU-American tension. A poorer Europe lacks the wealth to invest in defense, a fact that in turn affects the willingness of Europeans to join America in confronting global security threats. But at least all of this is a warning to U.S. politicians who want this country to go down the same welfare-state road to decline……”

NOTE THAT LAST SENTENCE, OBAMESSIAH LEFTIES……..
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September 12, 2008 2:58pm
grumpyoldhori

Damn, someone was saying yanks have no sense of humour, they must have
choosing Palin to be a running mate.
Bloody hell she wants Georgia and Ukraine in Nato.
Hmm, Sarah versus Vlad the impaler, telling him the yanks have nukes would
not work that well.
Hey, would National send a battalion if the balloon went up in Georgia 🙂
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September 12, 2008 2:59pm
Murray

Craig I don’t actualy recall David campaigned for election in Europe for the US presidency.

Don’t completly against some crybaby bullshit of your own really.
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September 12, 2008 3:37pm
radar

“Don’t completly (sic) against some crybaby bullshit of your own really.”

Don’t completely what, Murray? You keep leaving out vital things called “words” which results in people not understanding what you are trying to say. Probably for the best anyway.
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September 12, 2008 4:47pm
PhilBest

What’s the Matter With Sarah?
By JANET ALBRECHTSEN
FROM TODAY’S WALL STREET JOURNAL ASIA
September 11, 2008

SYDNEY

“For left-leaning elites outside the United States, the nomination of Sarah Palin as the Republican vice presidential candidate is a case of “only in America” — a sneering phrase foreigners use to explain a weird or distasteful American phenomenon. For them, the emergence of a small-town conservative Christian woman with a large family and a beehive hairdo, who talks about the small-town American values of faith, family and love of country, is the equivalent of crass American television. Mrs. Palin, with “her churchgoer’s smile” and her hillbilly family with their hillbilly names, was a “soap opera . . . too implausible even for day-time television” wrote Anne Davies in the Sydney Morning Herald. “A race that began as the ‘West Wing’ now looks alarmingly like ‘Desperate Housewives,'” said Jonathan Freedland in Britain’s Guardian newspaper.

If one needed a primer on why a certain class of elites outside the U.S. will always detest the political, cultural and social undercurrents flowing through the heart of middle America, the emergence of the gun-toting, pro-life Mrs. Palin has provided it. With tedious predictability, a steady undercurrent of anti-Americanism explains why foreign liberals detest Mrs. Palin. Her rising popularity across America has rudely confirmed that not all Americans care about the preferred presidential pick of the international left-liberal community. Barack Obama is their anti-American dream candidate, a man who is part of their project to bring America, the great Satan, to heel……

“…..people such as Sarah Palin who mean it when they say “God Bless America.” Respectable politicians in places like Australia don’t speak about the love of country. And certainly not in secular Europe or multicultural Britain.

The selection of Mrs. Palin and her role in Republican electoral math this year are also highlighting issues in American politics that surprise and confuse foreign left-wing intellectuals. Commentators in Australia, such as the Sydney Morning Herald’s political editor, Peter Hartcher, have lately sniped about Mrs. Palin’s deeply pro-life beliefs and at those Americans for whom abortion is an election issue. The tendency is to crow about the less divisive politics of abortion in Australia without explaining, or necessarily even understanding, why the issue is heated in the U.S. No mention that in Australia, unlike the U.S., abortion has not been fuelled by an activist, social-engineering judiciary…..

“…….Mrs. Palin was always going to upset the global sisterhood for not being the right kind of careerist woman. She is a happy feminist who doesn’t moan about female victimhood. She loves to shoot moose but is not a fan of aborting babies. That you should be opposed to hunting animals but in favor of abortion on demand is an international article of the feminist faith.

Similarly, left-wing media pundits outside the U.S. were always going to parrot the class-driven condescension of her attackers at home. A self-declared “hockey mom” educated at a no-name university, a former beauty queen who used to broadcast the local sports news surely cannot aspire to be vice president. The provincial Mrs. Palin is the perfect proxy-without-borders for the universal disdain metropolitan elites harbor toward those allegedly less sophisticated than themselves.

Blinded by their anti-American prejudices, progressives outside the U.S. mistakenly treat Mrs. Palin as a country hick who has simply roused evangelicals and gun-loving and hunting Republicans. They miss the significance of her nomination. The Governor from Alaska is attracting so much positive attention outside the beltway of American politics — and indeed 10,000 miles away, where ordinary Australians are cheering her on even as their elites pour scorn on her — because she is the real thing. She is a sassy, happy, straight-talking mother of five who has succeeded, not through affirmative action programs or family connections, but through sheer dint of hard work and conviction politics……”
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September 12, 2008 6:36pm
JSF2008

To you feral obama haters ????”DIG really deep BOMB shelters , ,having watched palin( MOOSE KILLER) GASP she can see russia and this stupid bitch (ie didnt eplain what a fuck was to her thick daughter) that thing isnt a loose moose in your studs pants, IM GOING TO ATTACK RUSSIA (CNN) 6.20pm oprox WITH WILD EYES , FUCK NOT ANOTHER FUCKWIT KILL AT ANY COST YANK ,KILLING IN THE NAME OF GOD ,GIVE US STRENGTH ps palin lovers read the shit this bitch has put males through, another closet lesbian pressure and sackings in her state and semi corruption
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September 12, 2008 6:38pm
lloydois

Groan. Janet Albrechtesen….biggest fraud in Australian journalism.
http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/090902_s3.htm

Of course she love’s Sarah. BTW I have no idea how she knows how ‘ordinary Australians’ are feeling about this. (whoever the fuck they are) I seriously doubt Janet knows any. She’s married to a very high profile lawyer and is about as ‘inside’ as you can get
http://www.crikey.com.au/Business/20080812-Janet-Albrechtsen-champion-of-banking-profit.html

…….though she’s possibly feeling not quite so precious since her mentor John Winston was given the flick by the great unwashed Australian public……..all those ordinary Australians I suspect Janet meets rarely if ever.
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September 12, 2008 7:30pm
Craig Ranapia

Craig I don’t actualy recall David campaigned for election in Europe for the US presidency.

Don’t completly against some crybaby bullshit of your own really.

Well, I had no idea it was some horrible offence against decency for Obama to speak in Berlin, until McCain had a shit fit about it. Obama visited Europe, and people were actually interested in listening to what he had to say. Whoop-de-doo.

But let’s get back to my original comment: Berend might think it’s blasphemous for McCain & Palin’s convention “community worker” sneer to draw some return fire. Well, to coin a phrase diddums. Obama never compared himself to Jesus, or Palin to Pontius Pilate, so it’s sure looking like crybaby bullshit and another big fat lie.
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September 12, 2008 7:45pm
Redbaiter

“biggest fraud in Australian journalism.”

What a cowardly cheap lie. Always the same old story isn’t it? Anyone who doesn’t drink your sick commie koolaid is fair game for any number of cowardly false allegations and smears. When are you freaks going to catch up? People are sick of your lies and hate. Who cares that you and the dickwads who are the ABC Mediawatch don’t like Janet Albrechtesen. We know what and who you are. We don’t care what you think. That you post such shit here and think it carries any weight just shows what little you understand about recent shifts in public mood. Take your worthless links and your bigoted shit and shove it. Knuckle dragger.
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September 12, 2008 7:50pm
Redbaiter

“Obama visited Europe, and people were actually interested in listening to what he had to say. Whoop-de-doo.”

Were they? More likely they were interested in the free rock concert and the free beer that preceded Obama’s arrival.
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September 12, 2008 7:52pm
lloydois

C’mon Redbaiter. You’re a bad parody of a foul mouthed moron. Not a cowardly cheap lie at all. Easily documented by all available evidence.

As I said, all you’re really interested in doing is shitting out your pathetic emotional pathologies all over this blog.

Shit away.
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September 12, 2008 7:56pm
Redbaiter

“As I said, all you’re really interested in doing is shitting out your pathetic emotional pathologies all over this blog.”

Yeah, and its what you come here to read. Loser.
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September 12, 2008 7:58pm
lloydois

You’re the least interesting read here Redbaiter. Every post completely predictable because each post is more of the same crap.

Have a nice weekend.
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September 12, 2008 8:00pm
gopolks

Hi, I’m a Obama fan, but that is quite funny, makes the point well, that no matter how popular he may be in Europe it means nothing for the USA election.
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September 12, 2008 8:35pm
philu

palin has done her first interview..

http://whoar.co.nz/2008/sarah-palins-first-interview/

she dosen’t even know what the bush doctrine is..(!)

..but be reassured..’not blinking’..and ‘americas’ hell-bent on enemies’..?

..she’s on to that..eh..?

..scary..

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 12, 2008 8:46pm
Kent Parker

PhilBest,

You post an article and make no comment on it.

This article is top of the pile in google. http://www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html

Give it a whirl…

I’m not going to comment either.
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September 12, 2008 9:17pm
side show bob

At least America has a woman, not like you Philu
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September 12, 2008 9:42pm
Kent Parker

And also PhilBest:

The US has between 12 and 20 million illegal immigrants (5% of population), which, if included in the calculations would bring the per capita GDP down somewhat.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8G6u2ko8&show_article=1

Europe has a similar immigrant characteristic but they usually account for it in population statistics. Germany has had its per capita GDP cut considerably since taking in East Germany during the 90s and the rest of Europe has to a certain extent benefitted from and taken the impact of including former Iron Curtain countries in their midst.

The US is a super-power. It wouldn’t be, if either a) it wasn’t incredibly wealthy or b) incredibly populous and totalitarian. If Europe was wealthier per capita than the US then it would be the super power and US bureaucrats would be writing frantic reports about favorable economic conditions in Europe.
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September 12, 2008 9:47pm
kiwi in america

philu
Turns out neither does the ABC network (who employs Charlie Gibson) whose different commentators and reporters have defined the “Bush Doctrine” quite differently at different times. I guess you were hoping for a more Biden sized gaffe from her.
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September 13, 2008 8:29am
radar

“Were they? More likely they were interested in the free rock concert and the free beer that preceded Obama’s arrival.”

Redbleater has just seriously suggested that 200,000 people turned out in Berlin for, wait for it…a free rock concert and free beer.

I can now pronounce that Redbaiter has no relationship to reality.
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September 13, 2008 9:07am
kiwi in america

radar
Local German media reported this to the case and interviews with attendees confirm that SOME did indeed attend more for the concert and free beer and stayed to hear Obama out of curiosity. The Obama campaign of course thought that 200,000 adoring Germans was going to boost their man further in the polls and didn’t count on Americans thinking it was all a bit too much and he dropped in the polls after that trip. Democrats in 00 and 04 convinced themselves that their more Euro sophisticated candidate with such a huge global following would assist in getting them elected forgetting that Germans can’t vote in US elections. Looks like the Obama people haven’t learned anything.
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September 13, 2008 9:17am
philu

how many animals have you killed/tortured/mis-treated today..?

bloody hands bob..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 13, 2008 9:34am
Chris Diack

The map could also indicate the fly-over rights and landing rights for US planes in conflict with Russia over Georgia as pushed along by McCain/Palin.

When did the US acquire a vital interest in Georgia? And Palin’s only conversation with a foreign leader: Saakashvili.
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September 13, 2008 10:05am
Redbaiter

“I can now pronounce that Redbaiter has no relationship to reality.”

This ignorant little time wasting lamer once again shows his narrow parochial mindset. If you had any idea about 1) the population of Germany and 2) the culture there, you’d know that attracting 200,000 people to a free rock concert with free beer is nothing exceptional.
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September 13, 2008 10:31am
PhilBest

Kent Parker at 9.47PM, I am perplexed why you have been hit with negative karma for that comment, it all looks quite helpful and consructive to me……
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September 13, 2008 10:33am
Kent Parker

Kent Parker at 9.47PM, I am perplexed why you have been hit with negative karma for that comment, it all looks quite helpful and consructive to me……

Actually, I’m surprised no one picked up on this bit:

The US is a super-power. It wouldn’t be, if either a) it wasn’t incredibly wealthy or b) incredibly populous and totalitarian.

b) above might refer to our new up and coming super-power. Personally I prefer a super-power with characteristic a) rather than b). So, really I prefer that the income and home ownership rates in our resident super-power are higher than Europe (unless Europe is the super-power), than if they were lower and the rate of totalitarianism was higher. You could write a formula:

super_power_rating = GDP_per_capita X totalitarianism X population(squared)
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