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General Debate 26 September 2008

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dmatthews

Kiwiblog has fallen victim to the same WebMarshal filtering that Matthew Hooton talked about last week and which is currently causing NoMinister to be blocked in more than one government department. The home page is okay for now, but all comments links are being blocked at Ministry of Health as being “Offensive – adult and nudity”.
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September 26, 2008 8:13am
expat

Short Selling Rocks
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1adc6466-8a2f-11dd-a76a-0000779fd18c.html?nclick_check=1
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September 26, 2008 8:15am
s.russell

Herald DigiPoll this morning:

National 51.4
Labour 35.7
Green 4.9
NZ First 2.8
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September 26, 2008 8:23am
expat

51.4 – 35.7 = 15.7
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September 26, 2008 8:28am
expat

oh, i’m 1000! happy birthday to me.

bye laybore.
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September 26, 2008 8:29am
homepaddock

I hope all you North Islanders who wanted an extra hour’s daylight in the evening are going to make the most of it after the clocks go forward on Sunday because those of us in the South who won’t get sunrise until after 7am won’t be enjoying the dark mornings. Mutter, mumble.

Waiting until late October would make the change to daylight saving much easier to deal with.
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September 26, 2008 8:33am
big bruv

dmatthews

Is “the Standard” blocked at all?
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September 26, 2008 8:36am
getstaffed

The home page is okay for now, but all comments links are being blocked at Ministry of Health as being “Offensive – adult and nudity

This started happening after the David Benson-Pope post 🙂

That, or state sector webmasters have been given orders which originate from the 9th floor.
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September 26, 2008 8:41am
getstaffed

bruv – was gonna ask the same question. probably not. it’ll be the default public sector homepage by now.
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September 26, 2008 8:42am
stephen

s.russell, if you want polls, I recommend looking at the big picture, as some very studious person has enabled us to do: the tuning fork election. Got it off Jafapete’s site, but I know it was on wikipedia originally.
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September 26, 2008 8:44am
big bruv

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4706510a11.html

Another “sickness beneficiary” who is so unwell that he manages to kill an innocent man.

I can’t wait to see how Comrade Bradford spins this one.
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September 26, 2008 8:44am
s.russell

Thanks Stephen, that’s a really interesting graph! You are of course right that a single poll is rather meaningless, the big picture is more significant, though in this case the two are almost perfectly in tune (deliberate pun).
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September 26, 2008 8:54am
philu

“..but all comments links are being blocked at Ministry of Health as being “Offensive – adult and nudity”..”

..sheesh..!.

..if that spreads thru gummint depts..it’ll kick the guts out of kiwiblog page-views..

..eh..?

(maybe that’s why dpf stopped his tits ‘n guns postings..?..eh..?

..fear of gummint dept censoring..?..)

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 26, 2008 8:56am
getstaffed

Speaking of beneficiaries, disgusting beneficiary bashing here.

Oh, wait… this bashing is not proposed by National. Ah well then it’s good policy, even if Labour *ahem* borrowed it.
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September 26, 2008 8:59am
philu

dpf should get national to pledge to restore access to his comments page..

..eh..?

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 26, 2008 9:02am
Neil

Re-polls. It is the trend that counts.
One year ahead for National, six months above 50% spells a gigantic change of structure in New Zealand.
Don’t look for too much in one poll, of significance that National is well ahead with both males and females.
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September 26, 2008 9:03am
g_

“Is “the Standard” blocked at all?”

The Standard is probably on all Govt dept’s WAN’s, so bypasses the proxy and goes straight there, no filtering at all.
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September 26, 2008 9:10am
glubbster

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4705957a6160.html

with MP wanting to get rid of Labour and NZF looking like dog tucker it looks like your Lab/NZF/Gr/MP/Jim/United theory is bollocks PhilU.
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September 26, 2008 9:10am
wreck1080

I saw another stabbing in cental auckland this time. I thought, at least it wasn’t south auckland this time, they’ve had a run of bad news lately.

but, now , I see the stabber is from Otahuhu… south auckland is just out of control, unfortunately I might be around that area next week. What happened to that place?

Have there been lots more murders lately or do I just imagine this?
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September 26, 2008 9:13am
Bart

“Have there been lots more murders lately or do I just imagine this?”

More reporting/sensationalising keep the attention of the masses away from what is important – it would be interesting to know how many “missing persons” from say 10 years ago were actually murders that were not investigated or even reported.
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September 26, 2008 9:18am
philu

“..# glubbster (98) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
September 26th, 2008 at 9:10 am

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4705957a6160.html

with MP wanting to get rid of Labour and NZF looking like dog tucker it looks like your Lab/NZF/Gr/MP/Jim/United theory is bollocks PhilU..”

glubbster..we are in election-mode..

..every party is fighting each other for the biggest share of the vote they can get..

..and ‘positioning’/statements between now and the election must be viewed in this light..

..and in no way can be taken as some sort of pledge/reassurance for you..

..so..every day that goes by strengthens my conviction that lab + whatever mix..will end up ruling us..

i mean..don’t forget that john key is our sara palin..(in being the most inexperienced..ever..to stand for the position..)

..and that inexperience/palin-factor in key..

..will become more and more apparant as the campaign winds on..

..and will lead to his defeat..

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 26, 2008 9:26am
big bruv

What’s the bet that the low life scumbag who murdered this man has previous convictions for violent crime?
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September 26, 2008 9:29am
bearhunter

Pretty bad odds, I would think, Bruv. The copper on Morning Report wouldn’t say whether the arrestee was “known to” police. Which usually means he was.
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September 26, 2008 9:34am
mike12

“Kiwiblog has fallen victim to the same WebMarshal filtering ”

Strange – My companies Web Marshall settings ban the standard and trotski’s blog (“Offensive – adult and nudity”.) but allow Whale and KB
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September 26, 2008 9:38am
Inventory2

Philip Ure – what do you think about this?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/09/benefit-crackdown-from-labour.html
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September 26, 2008 9:40am
WraithX

Inventory2: Phil probably doesn’t mind it as it is not as bad as the 6 hours work he is going to be forced to do when National gets in 🙂 Plus he is probably a sickness beneficiary anyway – not a dole bludger – because of drug dependence. What does CYFs think about drug abusing parents? Do they take their children as wards of the court?
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September 26, 2008 9:44am
macdee

Helen addresses 350 Grey Power members in Nelson yesterday; previously large Grey Power meeting in Rimutaka; Helen protects Grey Power idol Winston; wots goin on!!!
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September 26, 2008 9:47am
Colonel Masters

What’s the bet that the low life scumbag who murdered this man has previous convictions for violent crime?

What’s the bet that the woman he allegedly punched in the head has made previous complaints him but then withdrawn them because “he’s a big teddy bear and loves me really”?
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September 26, 2008 9:53am
labrator

Good for a laugh, even archbishops think that capitalism only goes up and all of those who make money should be punished… looks like the greatest strength of capitalism is its greatest weakness in the uninformed’s eyes.
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September 26, 2008 9:55am
philu

“..Philip Ure – what do you think about this?..”

i think that all opportunities for training/education should be offered..

..we have a ‘dumb’ populace..

..i myself have completed an m.a.(hons) while raising my son..

..and having left school at 15..

..and..um..!..could be an example of the benefits of adult-education..i guess..

..but any benificiary-bashing exercise from whoever..is doomed to irrelevance..

..the huge spike in unemployed from the (soon-to-melt-down) retail/financial etc sectors..

..will be only one of the factors that will take care of that..

..(and for those of you hanging their hats on this ‘paulsen-bail-out’..as fixing everything up..?

..hah..!

..eh..?)

this bailout is only (attempting) to ‘fix’ the residential housing thread of this wholesale unravelling of the american/global economies..

..and as dodd said..’we have to get this right..there is no more money if we get it wrong..’

..so..whaddaya reckon he/they’ll be able to do when the commercial real estate thread crashes..?

..when personal debt/credit gets called in/crashes..?

..and let’s not go near the ‘derivatives’..eh..?

..that’s just altogether to spooky/scary..

..whoar..!

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 26, 2008 9:59am
Nefarious

Ah phool and his Master of Arts! What’s in it phool? The history of armed robbery and it’s links to drug dependence?

If YOU are an example of the benefits of adult education then I’d suggest a maximum age for study. Get a fucking job.

How the fuck did you gain a degree when you are unable to string together a coherent sentence? Did you share your stash with your tutor?
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September 26, 2008 10:04am
PaulL

Phil, I thought you said at the top you were educated. Then you make outlandish predictions that indicate you aren’t. Ah well, people have been saying the quality of our education system is dropping.

As for WebMarshal. Does anyone know how the algorithm works? Seems to me it probably is an automated block, and probably has some key words it looks for and rules about how often those key words appear. It might be interesting if comments on the Standard were to have some of those key words start appearing in them – see whether that led to the Standard being blocked.
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September 26, 2008 10:08am
Manolo

Whoar said “..and..um..!..could be an example of the benefits of adult-education..i guess..”

I almost wet my pants when reading that incredible line penned by the master cook himself and unreservedly the Tui ad of the century!

Living proof of how addled the brain of this loser is.
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September 26, 2008 10:10am
Colonel Masters

Thanks PaulL, I have never understood the farmers’ reluctance to adopt daylight saving. They always say they have to milk the cows in the dark… but how do the cows know the clocks have gone forward?? Why don’t they just milk them an hour later than usual = the same (natural) time as the cows are used to?

Having said that, my furnishings are terribly faded after all these years of daylight saving 😉

Edit: Looks like PaulL’s comments have disappeared, but I am still in the dark 🙂 about daylight saving whinging.
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September 26, 2008 10:14am
gd

I see theres a move on the North Shore to have roadblocks set up to prevent people from South and West Auckland entrying unless they hold a Good Behaviour Permit

These would be issued by the LTA uopn proof of no convictions or fines the cost would be $500 and require renewal annually.

The cost of the GBPs would be self funding and in fact wouyld make a net contribution to LTA income given the numbers of Westies and Southies applying.

Good to see such citizens initated moves to keep the riff raff out.
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September 26, 2008 10:17am
Viking2

Anyone ever considered philu might be Trotter in drag?
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September 26, 2008 10:17am
homepaddock

Colonel – if cows were milked at the same time by the sun but an hour later by the clock it would put the colection and processing back an hour so the drivers and people in the milk factories would be working an hour later.

Most people accept that an extra hour to play in the evening makes sense in summer, but the extra hour of dark makes it hard to work in the mornings in spring and autumn: http://homepaddock.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/darker-dawn-doesnt-do-it-for-me/
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September 26, 2008 10:23am
philu

ah..nefarious..working on/refining his/her clown image/persona..

..(it’s coming along quite well..eh..?..and he/she is needed..d4j seems to have ‘faded’ somewhat..eh..?..)

“..Phil, I thought you said at the top you were educated. Then you make outlandish predictions that indicate you aren’t..”

they’d be those ‘outlandish’ sub-prime driven economic meltdown ‘predictions’ i’ve been making since august 2006..would they..?

..and when did our mainstream/business media first mention it..?

..just the other day..?

so i/whoar..had a two year jump on them..

..(and really shows them as being naked..eh..?..)

and paul..your simplistic moan at farmers is just that..

..they have to have their cows milked etc..in time for milk trucks w.h.y..

okay..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 26, 2008 10:25am
Nefarious

Thanks phool, it’s nice to feel wanted.

I hope one day that you find someone who wants you too.
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September 26, 2008 10:30am
philu

whereas manolo has a masters in exploitation..

..him being an alcohol pusher..and having ‘interests’ in both loan sharking..and debt collection..

..(i understand he has a special bath in his house..where he attempts to wash out the ‘spots’ on his money..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 26, 2008 10:31am
cha

This has got me thinking WTF.
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September 26, 2008 10:32am
philu

“..Trotter in drag?..”

(shudder..!..)

(he’d have to go with the sturdy/stocky/hairy/sensible/from taranaki..aunty/farmers wife ‘look’..

..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 26, 2008 10:34am
WebWrat

Big Bruv
“What’s the bet that the low life scumbag who murdered this man has previous convictions for violent crime?”

I hear on the radio this morning that the police have only charged him with assult on the woman. WTFs that about?
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September 26, 2008 10:36am
CraigM

R.I.P Austin Hemmings.

I did not know you, but I know you died saving the life of a stranger.
An honourable man taken from his family for doing the right thing.
The world is a sadder place today.

To Mr Austins family, my sincere thoughts and prayers. It may not comfort you at the moment, and you may be angry with him for putting himself in that position, but he died an honourable death and you will be proud of him.

What a tragic waste of a good life.

I’m sure God has you in his arms.
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September 26, 2008 10:39am
bearhunter

There will be more charges. They just need something to get him before a judge with and since the postmortem hadn’t been completed as of this morning, they can’t lay a murder charge yet.
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September 26, 2008 10:41am
Inventory2

CraigM – well said. In the same circumstances, how many of us (honesty call please) would have done the same as Austin Hemmings? Me? I hope so, but I’m not sure…
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September 26, 2008 10:42am
Danny-boy

Phil U, with some experience, I can say that I know postgraduate writing/expression when I see it. Subject and university?
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September 26, 2008 10:46am
CraigM

My wife freaked out last night. Not only was this 50 metres up the road from my office, but last year..this was me.
I stopped a guy hitting his wife in the city one night and walked away with with nothing more than a sore jaw.

I don’t remember thinking about it, I just remember seeing it and rushing in. I hope in the same circumstances I would not stop to think next time either… but you never know until it happens.

I feel gutted for this guys family.
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September 26, 2008 10:48am
PaulL

Agree CraigM. I would have done the same, and it could easily have been me dead. It makes you think.

I did intervene once in something like this, and it was amazing how quickly the women involved turned around to take her partner’s side. You can’t say no to someone asking for help, but sometimes you get no thanks when you do get involved.

My view on it is that, from my side of the fence, just dumb luck. I could get killed driving my car tomorrow, but I don’t worry about that before I get in my car. I could get killed helping someone tomorrow, but I sure wouldn’t think about that before going to someone’s aid. I would hope that if I needed help, people wouldn’t walk past and leave me alone – so I simply cannot do that to someone else.
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September 26, 2008 10:49am
PaulL

Oh, and on the daylight savings – I saw Homepaddock’s posting on her blog, and decided to put a comment there instead. My comment here wasn’t all that thought through, and seeing Homepaddock’s posting I had left a lot of gaps in my argument that she had already covered. I still think that daylight saving is a good thing, but need to formulate a clearer explanation if I’m to look rational in comparison.
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September 26, 2008 10:51am
Tauhei Notts

No. I am not blaming the doctor, but the name of the doctor who certified that the murderer is so sick that he should be allowed to bludge off taxpayers; that doctor’s name must be made public.
Then, and only then, will the medical profession take their practice more seriously.
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September 26, 2008 10:51am
Nefarious

“I hear on the radio this morning that the police have only charged him with assult on the woman. WTFs that about?”

They had to take a break from all of the paperwork. The big words were wearing them out and they had speeding tickets to catch up on.
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September 26, 2008 10:52am
philu

cha..cheers for the heads-up on that link..

i’ve done a story on it..

http://whoar.co.nz/2008/active-american-army-brigadespecialising-in-civil-unrestis-called-back-home-to-america/

d-boy..auckland..politics/english/history/media..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 26, 2008 10:55am
getstaffed

Then, and only then, will the medical profession take their practice more seriously

Was speaking with a [well placed] friend who works at MSD. There is a case of a small, 2 doctor GP practice in a leafy AKL suburb. One doctor issued 4 sickness benefit certs in 2007, the other over 2000. This is apparently quite common.
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September 26, 2008 10:59am
philu

..paul said..

“..but need to formulate a clearer explanation if I’m to look rational in comparison..”

indeed..!

(his now-edited-out moan at farmers was..

..what are they complaining about..they are self-employed..they can just get up an hour later..?..)

..he is quite a ‘simple’ soul..that paul..eh..?..

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 26, 2008 11:00am
cha

“It’s not based on any particular data point,” a Treasury spokeswoman told Forbes.com Tuesday. “We just wanted to choose a really large number.”
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September 26, 2008 11:01am
Nefarious

phool, you’re wasting your life on the DPB. With that sort of education and your life experience there’s sure to be a place in parliament for someone of your character.

Give Helen a call, you could be Labour’s next poster boy. You are but a civil union from greatness.
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September 26, 2008 11:02am
Wanderer

Sadness, another hard-working, tax paying loving father and husband has been murdered in cold blood by another dole-bludger, good for nothing, addict who has nothing better to do with his life. Don’t we all know somebody like that.
Get a life.
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September 26, 2008 11:09am
labrator

PaulL, just wondering which of PhilU’s predictions are outlandish?
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September 26, 2008 11:10am
gd

Tauhei Notts

Agree 100% and have said this for years Until we get out this” No one responsible No ones accountable” bullshit these totally avoidable situations will occur

I want to know names date places NO MORE HIDING

the pollies the civil servants and the otehrs involved dont take it seriously because there is no consquences when they stuff up

they all just collectively shrug their shoulders and say How sad Too mad Move on

They are but a cyncial cancer they needs to be exposed and identified
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September 26, 2008 11:12am
alex Masterley

appropos nothing I see in the Dom post a piece that suggests the Labour party is proposing to target long term beneficiaries and give them assistance to get job training and into paid work.
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September 26, 2008 11:24am
LC

Whats Chris Trotters problem? http://www.stuff.co.nz/4706548a1861.html

He seems to wander around the place with little sense. Surely it gets editied before it’s published??
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September 26, 2008 11:39am
fizzleplug

Ok, I hate to be this guy, but for fuck’s sake philu. The “.” key is nowhere near anything of significane that needs to be hit in your writing, nor is the “return” key. Your writing style hurts my brain, offends my sensibilities, and generally plain pisses me off. It’s not the fact that your words themselves are meaningless and seemingly random, but to do that in conjunction with your horrible paragraph structure makes me want to reach through my computer screen and confiscate your keyboard.

To LC: Chris Trotters problem is that he lost his ability for rational thought. Maybe the editors let it run as it is submitted for shit’s and giggles?
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September 26, 2008 11:44am
side show bob

PaulL as a farmer that gets up a 4.30 every morning for atleast 9 months of the year daylight saving is simply a pain in the arse. It has just started to become light about 5.30 and isn’t to hard doing jobs, getting different mobs of cows in, milking, shifting fences, feeding calves and feeding stock etc. But no the socialist arseholes need their daylight saving I would like to see these pricks get up at 3.30 every morning and see how they enjoy it. As for milking when we want, well it gets a bit hard when you have three children that have to catch the school bus or milk tankers that pick the days milk up just after 7.30 in the morning.
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September 26, 2008 11:44am
philu

lc..i just went and read trotters’ piece..

..it seems pretty straight forward/speaking the obvious..to me..

.what parts of it didn’t you agree with..?

..could you be a little more specific..?

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 26, 2008 11:48am
bearhunter

“He wants to lead New Zealanders back to a time when the friendly local bobby patrolled the neighbourhood, people left their back-doors unlocked, the worst things imbibed by youngsters were booze and cigarettes, violent crime was rare, ”

Sounds okay to me. Mind you, I was delighted to see the pot-kettle interface surface when he derided ACT as dogmatists.
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September 26, 2008 12:07pm
baxter

“What’s the bet that the low life scumbag who murdered this man has previous convictions for violent crime?

Who would be surprised if he was on Home Detention or Parole……..whatever due to our unique secret justice system we won’t know for a year- eighteen months when his Not Guilty pleas have been resolved.
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September 26, 2008 12:12pm
reid

Hey have you seen the reports they’ve now found a lethal bacteria in San Lu’s product? If true this could be pretty bad.
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September 26, 2008 12:50pm
Buggerlugs

this is what happens when you disagree with Helen:

Police have confirmed they are investigating Solicitor-General David Collins.

They would not say what the investigation was about, other than that a senior officer was working on it.
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September 26, 2008 12:51pm
alex Masterley

He probably shot a red light.
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September 26, 2008 12:52pm
WebWrat

Day light saving … I hate it. I feel guilty sitting around in the evening when the sun is still up or still daylight, so I work later. I still want to have my evening on the puter so I end up staying up later, usually ’til after midnight, which exacerbates the problem of getting up in the morning.

My biological clock never adjusts.
I feel tired all summer.
I spend the whole summer looking forward to the end of day light saving.
Then they extend it FFS!!
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September 26, 2008 12:54pm
lloydois

COURIC: Why isn’t it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries? Allow them to spend more, and put more money into the economy, instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?

PALIN: That’s why I say I, like every American I’m speaking with, we’re ill about this position that we have been put in. Where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh, it’s got to be about job creation, too. Shoring up our economy, and putting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade — we have got to see trade as opportunity, not as, uh, competitive, um, scary thing, but one in five jobs created in the trade sector today. We’ve got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation.

WTF?
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September 26, 2008 12:59pm
Owen McShane

CHALLENGING THE NANNY STATE
I have been invited to comment on the Ministry for the Environment’s background paper on “Scope of a National Policy Statement on Urban Design.” National Policy Statements are powerful documents because they ostensibly deal with matters of National significance that are relevant to achieving the purpose of the RMA. Once in place District and Regional Plans and Policies must be amended to give effect to the National Policy Statement.
In the days of the RMA aesthetic matters and matters of design were regarded as subjective matters and hence not to be controlled by regulation. However, the Environment Court has written decisions which accept the argument that the public should have the right to dictate or censor the design of building on private property. So we have now reached the stage where Central government is about to issue a document which dictates urban design policies and procedures with which we must all comply.

However, the Act requires that National Policy Statements must go through an extensive process of consultation and finally be subject to a Board of Enquiry before being implemented.

Most of the general public will probably ignore this proposed National Policy Statement because it seems to have only minor relevance to most of our lives. However, the contents make it clear that this move will be seen by some of us as a means to legitimise an extraordinary level of intervention in our lives by imposing all Smart Growth theories so as to direct where we live, how we live and of course how we get around.

You can read the background material and the paper at the Ministry Web Site.

IF you want assistance in filing a comment contact me at omcshane@wk.planet.gen.nz
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September 26, 2008 12:59pm
reid

Re: Trotter’s piece, the problem is he’s fucked in the head, like all lefties.

As we’ve discussed, Lefties really truly tie poverty into crime. The dolts have confused correlation with root cause. Getting this fact through their thick skulls requires more than a jack hammer.

How come they don’t make the simple deduction from the common observation that in every single high-crime suburb two families living side-by-side produce variation – one family is violent or criminal and another is not. How come? Duh, it’s the moon.

Crime is caused by an individual’s attitude. Attitude is caused by upbringing – peer relationships and family atmosphere being especially important; and educational attainment. Giving a child an upbringing that produces an individual filled with love, self-discipline, a peaceful and thoughtful disposition and education; is as possible in poverty as it is in wealth, because attitude costs nothing.

If you focus on reducing poverty, you’re operating on the margins. Strike at the root – attack the attitude of parents who produce children filled with fear, hate and envy.

It’s not rocket-science, but not a single lefty ever gets it.
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September 26, 2008 1:04pm
getstaffed

I see that the sickness beneficiary who allegedly killed Austin Hemmings has initially been charged with “male assaults female”.

Now aside from the near certainty that he’ll be charged with murder… what the hell is “males assaults female”?

Is there the reverse – “female assaults male” charge, and if so, do they receive different treatment by the courts?
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September 26, 2008 1:06pm
xy

Palin can be utterly hilarious. The last sentence here is great. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM72M62jAUc
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September 26, 2008 1:07pm
casual watcher

From Stuff

“Solicitor-General David Collins is being investigated by the police, it has been reported.

Police have refused to comment on the nature of the investigation, other than that a senior officer was working on it, Newstalk ZB reported.”

Is this what Whaleoil and others have been alluding to ?
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September 26, 2008 1:19pm
philu

brilliant..!

..tvnz are doing an online poll..on new zealands’ most trustworthy politician..

(and it’s time for you to weep..!..nattys/actites..there is nothing else left to do..)

peters is on 37%..

hide is on 7%..

..and key..?

..he is trailing peters..on 35%..(!)

(heh..!..

..see what i mean about..

..’time for you to weep..’..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 26, 2008 1:21pm
Danny-boy

d-boy..auckland..politics/english/history/media..

Phil U, so you have four Masters degrees from four different departments? Or you had a supervisor from each department?
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September 26, 2008 1:23pm
philu

politics was the major..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 26, 2008 1:28pm
Rex Widerstrom

I don’t fancy David Collins’ chances, then. I personally knew a senior lawyer who did a lot of Crown work. When he started balking at some of the things he was asked to do, Mr Plod suddenly arrived and charged him with various offences which basically amounted to allegedly ripping off his clients.

They stuffed about for almost a year trying to prove this nonsense until the media (who’d obviously diaried it to check in a year if anything had come of it) started asking why the investigation had produced no evidence. Then, lo and behold, Mr Plod discovered that the lawyer’s computer, which they’d had for over a year and had painstakingly searched for anything that could prove fraud, contained a pile of hitherto completely unnoticed child pornography. And with this serendipitous turn of events, which of course Mr Plod had nothing to do with planting the guy’s reputation was sullied enough that nothing he said would be treated seriously.

And that wasn’t under a Labour government, either – which is why I regularly make the point that Mr Plod doesn’t serve the Labour Party, it serves the government of the day in return for being granted ever-increasing powers.

The kind of thing to which cha alludes above, and philu has posted on, simply isn’t necessary in NZ. The government has a ready-made private “army” to quell anyone – be it a group or an individual – who’s seen as a trouble maker. Just ask those involved in the ’51 strike. Or the Springbok tour protests.
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September 26, 2008 1:28pm
coventry

Sorry for teh cut & paste, but thought it was needed on this one:

PM informed of criminal probe of David Collins (8 September 2008)

The Prime Minister of any country runs an exhaustive schedule, so it was uncertain whether Helen Clark was aware of the numerous communications and evidence flowing into her office over the last month informing her that her Solicitor General David Collins was under criminal investigation by the New Zealand Police.

That was until last Thursday when the Prime Minister was attending a Nature Coast function in Paraparaumu. It was then Helen Clark was personally informed by Horowhenua District Councillor Anne Hunt that the New Zealand Police are investigating the diminutive Mr Collins in relation to a matter which occurred since he took office as Solicitor-General. More precisely, the alleged crime relates to section 111 of the Crimes Act 1961, and a sworn affidavit filed in the Court of Appeal last May by Collins on a book he had sought Ms Hunt to author despite the subject matter being the object of a Court suppression order.

The Court of Appeal has already acknowledged that Mr Collins had undoubtedly made quite extensive notations on Anne Hunt’s manuscript before it was published. Collins swore to the Court that he did not provide any legal advice or vetting of the manuscript. The significance is David Collins was counsel in the proceedings and had intimate knowledge that the book dealt with issues which had been permanently suppressed by order of Christchurch Judge Lester Chisholm. Now the police are investigating the credibility of the sworn affidavit Mr Collins provided the Court of Appeal.

Anne Hunt’s book was banned for four years, and narrowly escaped a court order for its destruction after Justice John Wild set aside all evidence relating to Mr Collins. Less than two weeks ago, Police Superintendent Rod Drew confirmed to kiwisfirst that the investigation was proceeding in the public interest.

The Prime Minister has reportedly stated that her two rules for her appointees are not to lie to her and not to lie to the New Zealand people.

Now that Ms Clark undeniably knows of the nature of the complaint, it will prove a test of her own character how she deals with the matter.
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September 26, 2008 1:30pm
stephen

Phil u, that online survey has been messed with, i’m sure you’ll agree. Was poorly constructed too – they didn’t put any Greens on at all, and they included both the Maori leaders only a bit later.
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September 26, 2008 1:36pm
cha

Rex, you forgot the ‘Specials’.
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September 26, 2008 1:42pm
Danny-boy

politics was the major..

Phil U, how interesting! Supervisor?
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September 26, 2008 1:46pm
cha

The ‘Specials’

http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/whatson/events/livingroom/site1.asp
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September 26, 2008 1:51pm
philu

but it’s still pretty funny..

..eh..?

esp. yellow-jacket..on 7%

and it’s certainly hints at a surge of support/sympathy for peters..

over that long-running soap opera..

..those moments of eye-watering/surreal hypocrisy of bag-man key/and yellow-jacket..

..both longtime trust-fund/secret donation ‘bitchs;..

..pointing the bone at peters..

..would likely have done it..eh..?

..and hasn’t hide/act played it well..?..

in the sense of making themselves indispensable/the only option for key/national..eh..?

..and the real fun hasn’t even started yet..

..that kicks off when they wheel out the decaying albatross around the kneck of the right..

..that is wodger douglas..

..(heh-heh..!..i for one..can’t wait..!..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 26, 2008 2:04pm
stephen

philu, sympathy for Peters my arse – no idea where you got that idea. The poll was fucked when people discovered they could flush their cookies and pick again.
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September 26, 2008 2:17pm
reid

“moments of eye-watering/surreal hypocrisy”

Crikey phil why treat us like morons. You know we know it’s not about who used trusts it’s about who told the truth about using them. We know you know. Who are trying to convince with that bit of lefty propaganda?

Everyone who understands economics knows Douglas saved NZ. Do you understand economics phil? Well do ya?
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September 26, 2008 2:19pm
Ross Miller

I see that dear old philu has yet to comment on the latest poll so perhaps I might do it for him …..

..righties weep tears of fustration

..I mean the latest poll is great news for us ‘good guys’

..National not as much up as predicted

..Labour not as far down as predicted

..its all turning to custard chaps

..as for the Greens; its only a small blip so no comfort there

..its onwards and upwards for those of us who dare to think

..its gloom and doom for you retards

..sad eh

..heh-heh
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September 26, 2008 2:23pm
philu

“..Everyone who understands economics knows Douglas saved NZ. Do you understand economics phil? Well do ya?..”

apparantly only about 2% of us are lining up to be ‘rogered’..again..eh..?..

..we just all ‘don’t understand’..eh..?

..and no reid..!

..for the average punter out here..that detail dosen’t matter..

..it is perception..and the perception is growing that hypocrisy/persecution/plot are the correct tag-lines for this sucker..

..and i really think..people are getting somewhat surprised/pissed-off..

..that at a time when many have been losing their life-savings through our collapsing economic house of cards.

..(and much much more to come..!..).

..when their properties are heading to about 50% of what they were last year..(if lucky..!..)

..and we are staring down a 1930’s style depression/a collapsing retail sector/mass unemployment/bankruptcies..

..you clowns are running/focussing on this sideshow/circus..

..ignoring what we expect our elected leaders to do in times of crisis..

..(and hey..!..what we want/need is not act/national jumping up and down.mewling at peters..

..and in doing so..just proving your irrelevancy/short-sightedness..

….you’d think at a time like this…keys’ master-of-the-universe financial wizard skills..would be out on show..eh..?

..the reality is..that he..like all the others..hasn’t got a fucken clue what to do..

..we are all together..watching the slow-motion trainwreck..

..that is the global economy..

..and we should be worrying/fretting about peters/glenn..

..get real..!

..wake up..!

..eh..?..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 26, 2008 2:50pm
Ross Miller

I think my posting was funnier than his.
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September 26, 2008 2:56pm
Joely Doe

Getstaffed – there is no equivalent charge of ‘Female assaults Male’. Females are charged with assault. I believe the charge ‘Male assaults Female’ carries harsher penalties than standard assault.
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September 26, 2008 3:00pm
stephen

Sorry Ross, you’re both just rather…dotty.
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September 26, 2008 3:03pm
PhilBest

Philu, what do you make of the assessment of economists like Murray Rothbard and Llew Rockwell, who blame government interference in the marketplace for this slow-mo crash? Why were Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae set up to lend money to people to buy houses they couldn’t afford?

Ann Coulter, of all people, says it all:

“The Los Angeles Times: “starting in 1992”, a majority-Democratic Congress “mandated that Fannie and Freddie increase their purchases of mortgages for low-income and medium-income borrowers. Operating under that requirement, Fannie Mae, in particular, has been aggressive and creative in stimulating minority gains.”

Under Clinton, the entire federal government put massive pressure on banks to grant more mortgages to the poor and minorities. Clinton’s secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Andrew Cuomo, investigated Fannie Mae for racial discrimination and proposed that 50 percent of Fannie Mae’s and Freddie Mac’s portfolio be made up of loans to low- to moderate-income borrowers by the year 2001.

Instead of looking at “outdated criteria,” such as the mortgage applicant’s credit history and ability to make a down payment, banks were encouraged to consider nontraditional measures of credit-worthiness…….

Threatening lawsuits, Clinton’s Federal Reserve demanded that banks treat welfare payments and unemployment benefits as valid income sources to qualify for a mortgage……

……..Los Angeles Times reporter Ron Brownstein hailed the Clinton administration’s affirmative action lending policies as one of the “hidden success stories” of the Clinton administration, saying that “black and Latino homeownership has surged to the highest level ever recorded.”……

……White House chief economist, N. Gregory Mankiw, warned that the government’s “implicit subsidy” of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, combined with loans to unqualified borrowers, was creating a huge risk for the entire financial system.

Rep. Barney Frank denounced Mankiw, saying he had no “concern about housing.” How dare you oppose suicidal loans to people who can’t repay them! The New York Times reported that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were “under heavy assault by the Republicans,” but these entities still had “important political allies” in the Democrats……”
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September 26, 2008 3:20pm
dave strings

PhilU

DId you see the headline in the Dom Post ? No! I’ll repreat it for you then

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>> Labour party proposing to target long term beneficiaries

Eh .. .. .. .. .. .. .. ..
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September 26, 2008 3:23pm
PhilBest

There have been some more interesting exchanges between philu and others today that are confirming my suspicions. “Human Rights” quangos and the like in Canada and Sweden actually PAY some of their staff to troll blogs and provoke and entrap right-wingers into “hate speech”, and then conduct electronic surveillance on the “culprits” and track them down for prosecution. OK, we haven’t YET got the legislation in place in NZ under which the prosecutions will be carried out, BUT, IF Helen is still in power after October/November………

I no longer believe that “philu” is what HE says he is, a career bludger, pothead, criminal, solo parent. I believe he is ensconced at a desk in a plush office furnished with taxpayers funds, paid a fat salary, maybe indirectly, but the Heleban/Sisterhood will be in on it up to their eyeballs.

This would not be the first prediction I have made about the socialists tactics that has turned out to be right.
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September 26, 2008 3:30pm
reid

I think PhilBest as well as those factors you also should not overlook the Bush Administration’s refusal to allow Spitzer when he was NY’s A-G, to setup a task force to examine and expose the predatory lending practices in the Adjustible Rate Mortgage market that have later become known as the sub-prime loans. He was proposing to do just that, 2-3 years ago and Bush shut him down, specifically and deliberately. It’s called protecting your mates who happen to be powerful bankers.
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September 26, 2008 3:32pm
PhilBest

Another interesting angle on THAT, reid, I was reading in the Wall Street Journal only days ago, that Spitzer introduced tough regulations for Wall Street “Analysts”, ostensibly to raise the quality level of the said “analysis”; that resulted in a massive reduction in the numbers of firms offering market analysis. The WSJ was arguing, of course, that the small number remaining in the market ended up as a kind of an oligopoly and failed to do their duty at all, and the WSJ argued that the original larger numbers of analysts would have been a better chance.

In any case, I regard this whole debacle as a disgraceful legacy of government interference in markets ON BEHALF of vested interests; and first and foremost, are the restrictions on zoning for housing purposes that have driven the insane price increases in the first place. Going by “housing affordability” as a guide to the severity of the meltdown being faced by any one country, it is not a good look that NZ is one of the 3 WORST countries in the world regarding the disparity between earnings and property prices. OUR affordability index is a full 50% worse than that of the USA – 6.6% versus 4.4% (and note that Texas is 3.0% and they hardly have a subprime mortgage crisis at all).

SOOOO…..NZ’s lending institutions may not have been as crazy as those in the USA, but nevertheless, if we get a big fat meltdown, we asked for it; setting up the younger generation to not ever be able to afford a house just so we could appease the Gaia God and keep NZ green and unused – we are 1.4% urbanised – SPAR – Germany is 15% urbanised and their affordability index is 3.0 same as Texas. How do they do it? SIMPLE. People want houses, they BUILD HOUSES.
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September 26, 2008 4:13pm
Danny-boy

Hey Phil, supervisor? Year of completion? Thesis topic? Class of honours? 1? 2i? 2ii? You mentioned media, so I’m sure if I asked Dr. Atkinson or Dr. Kemp, they’d remember. In fact, you mentioned English and History, so it must’ve been Geoff Kemp, right? Also, did you write your thesis under another name, because there’s no record of it in the UoA Library. As you would know, a copy of all UoA Masters theses are kept in the UoA library.
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