General Debate 21 September 2008

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expat

purile. http://lordlikely.co.uk/
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September 21, 2008 8:16am
philu

raybon kahn has just done his second anti-sensing murder conspiracy theory rant in two weeks..(obsessed..!..or what..!..)

i thought is was time to go..’oi..!..enough..!’

http://whoar.co.nz/2008/the-anti-sensing-murder-hysteria-of-the-raybon-kahn/

and to debunk his wild flights of fancy..

..using reason/logic..(heh!)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 21, 2008 8:35am
expat

Oh, you know how ‘those people’ are phil, inscruitably logical. Its in the genes.
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September 21, 2008 8:37am
philu

so..you’re a rascist..?..expat..?..

..to go with the rest of the bucket of your unsavoury beliefs..?

..eh..expat..?

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 21, 2008 8:44am
Chuck Bird

Has anyone heard if there been any news about ACT’s mystery candidate yet?
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September 21, 2008 8:46am
Tauhei Notts

Chuck Bird
It is all on at Howick this afternoon.
Chowick? Will it be an Asian?
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September 21, 2008 8:49am
expat

Ha ha.

I was referring in a backhanded way to your snide comment above “..using reason/logic..(heh!)”

Look at the moat in thine own eye – bigman.
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September 21, 2008 8:51am
tom hunter

And on a completely unrelated note I see BSG has finally made it to iTunes, or at least the US office.

While BitTorrent fans could care less it’s worth a visit just to see the tableau picture of the cast: cute from the perspective of both art and religion.
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September 21, 2008 8:52am
Glutaemus Maximus

So here is the rub.

I am a Brit.

Domiciled, tax paying, and captive for the moment.

Gordon Brown swims both ways.

There are a few options for this entrepreneurial Pom.

Canada, Australia, and somewhere in the EU. We also have a Gaffe in Spain, just south of Barcelona.

So what?

I am sickened by the vile and nasty administration that Labour is.

Greater Manchester has a higher GDP than Scotland, and certainly NZ.

The rumours swirling around Wellington are that Helen Clark has used undue, and illegal influence over a very disturbing set of

events in the US. The main rumour is about an incident in LAX. Red herring. The vile rumours keep coming back to someone close

to Helen Clark as having inappropriate relationships with a minor in California.

These dreadful rumours have swept through the Manhattan. So please Helen Clark can you please categorically deny in writing that

these awful stories are in fact dreadful lies?

[DPF: If you want a response from the PM, then write to her or file a request for info under the OIA. But do not post accusations as questions here. Yes I know Government Ministers do that all the time, but I am not going to let the blog become a home for these rumours]
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September 21, 2008 8:59am
dad4justice

Fact or fiction Miss Clark?
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September 21, 2008 9:06am
expat

lets play a rhyming game big arse.

meter…
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September 21, 2008 9:07am
Redbaiter

Remember Ralston’s claim a week or so ago that he hadn’t made up his mind who he was going to vote for?? In this week’s column he says this-

“The whirling maelstrom of the Peters affair has sucked an otherwise competent and astute government into a disastrous shambles.”

Good grief, I try not to bitch too much about the lameness of the media in NZ, but hell, to claim that apart from the Winston Peter’s affair, the Klark government has been “competent and astute” is just partisan nonsense. What about the EFB for just one example Bill?

Cultural Marxism is rife in New Zealand and crippling political discourse and the democratic process. Nowhere is it more damaging than in the media. Ralston and others should be doing their damn job. They should be shining light on so many issues and they don’t. Let’s not forget they were forced to follow up on the Peter’s affair by the efforts of the blogosphere. In six months, the mainstream media never showed the slightest inclination to ask Klark the questions that should have been asked. Compare this to their endless hounding of Don Brash and the Exclusive Brethren.

Ralston once ran the most influential media organization in the country. No wonder is it that TV One is mainly just a lame apologist for left wing cronyism and corruption and gangsterism. We need real political discourse in this country. I’m sick of left wingers like Ralston setting the agenda. This country is so far down the leftist road there’s many who criticise Ralston for being right wing for chrissakes.

Right now, the only real alternative to leftist propaganda are the bloggers. Without the blogosphere, imagine what a load of leftist crap we’d all be fed. Sixty years ago, soldiers died for democracy. We’re so engulfed in cultural Marxism and leftist totalitarianism in NZ today, there’s hardly a scrap of it left to fight for.
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September 21, 2008 9:08am
expat

Ralston is right, Huluns administration WERE competent and astute but the wheels have been falling off since smarmy left and then trevor lost the plot etc

Hulun and Mikhael have been left with no competent executive.

Labour, in their current incarnation are the gift that keeps giving – to National.
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September 21, 2008 9:13am
Glutaemus Maximus

After the election here in 1997, and the first Cabinet Meeting of New Labour.

According to the gossip from MI5, the only member of the UK Cabinet that had never had a boyfriend was Claire Short.

Disturbing but true alledgedly.

Just the same in government over here.

The time has come to spill the beans.

Having played with the boys in Poole Harbour, and having some well connected mates. The whole thing sucks.

Especially Gordon apparently!

Yuch!!!
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September 21, 2008 9:15am
expat

whos kiddie fiddling in california and is it same sex.
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September 21, 2008 9:25am
expat

OK, so its all a conspiracy theory.

Thats false advertising big arse.
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September 21, 2008 9:34am
Glutaemus Maximus

So 60/55 Kiwi Soldiers would have lost their lives with a National government in Power?

I feel so sick.

In both Desert Storms, the SAS and SBS escorted Canadian IT specialists from Nortel to ensure that the coms were fine.

And so they were. Amazing techs the cannucks.

So Australia lost 2 soldiers. In the whole event.

The Kiwis and Aussies were also complicit. As were Canadian Special Forces.

Where the fuck was the rank spearman correlation there then?
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September 21, 2008 9:37am
Put it away

Chuck “Has anyone heard if there been any news about ACT’s mystery candidate yet?”

I’m guessing it’s not Winston
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September 21, 2008 10:04am
s.russell

Perhaps Act’s mystery candidate will be Jim Anderton. He got tired of Labour and defected, he got tired of the Alliance and defected. Perfaps he has now got tired of the Progressive Party and wants to defect again. He has seen the light, and realised that Roger Douglas was right all along.
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September 21, 2008 10:49am
labrator

Anyone tired of reading in articles like this that the credit crisis is “almost the collapse of capitalism”?!!

Philu keeps bringing up the credit crisis as if it’s representative of a failing in capitalism but I just don’t know anywhere that states that capitalism only goes up. In fact, it’s candy eyed socialists like Gordon Brown who think with their manipulation of open markets that they’ve “ended the boom and bust cycle”.

If you hear people smearing capitalism because of the “credit crisis”, I challenge you to question where they get that idea from.
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September 21, 2008 11:04am
WebWrat

Hasn’t the crash happened because the Clinton govt decided that 20 year olds should be able to buy $500,000 homes on 100% loans?

BTW … can anyone tell me why I can’t save profile changes on Blogspot?

Cheers
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September 21, 2008 11:45am
Falafulu Fisi

Phil U said…
raybon kahn has just done his second anti-sensing murder conspiracy theory rant in two weeks.

Well done Raybon. It is a pity that people like Phil U (who claimed to be well educated) are falling for this bullshit. I thought that this so called talking to the dead bullshit is something that only the populations of 3rd world & under-developed countries followed & believed in. WHY? Because the level of education in science hasn’t penetrated those societies. Witch doctors are common. Alternative medicine is the norm. Agricultural/horticultural farming are still based on ancient beliefs, and all these bullshit. Well one who lives in an advanced society can see these people and say, aha, I can definitely understand why they do that and the reason is, they’re still living in the dark ages, but when you see such mystic practices in advanced societies such as NZ with a huge number of followers who endorsed them wholeheartedly without questioning them, you start to think if you’re in fact living in a 3rd world country. I have experienced mysticism first hand in the village, where I grew up in the thick of it , so I know they’re bullshit.
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September 21, 2008 1:26pm
RRM

“Cultural Marxism is rife in New Zealand and crippling political discourse and the democratic process. ”

Read: The lack of people who think like redbaiter does (fancy!) is crippling political discourse and the democratic process…”

If the redbaiter school of thought is so very clearly right, then perhaps the Redbaiter Party of NZ could put itself up for election? I bet *lots* of people would want to vote ratty!
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September 21, 2008 2:56pm
Mike

“RRM Says:
“Cultural Marxism is rife in New Zealand and crippling political discourse and the democratic process. ”

Read: The lack of people who think like redbaiter does (fancy!) is crippling political discourse and the democratic process…”

If the redbaiter school of thought is so very clearly right, then perhaps the Redbaiter Party of NZ could put itself up for election? I bet *lots* of people would want to vote ratty!”

He’s an authoritarian, he doesn’t believe in democracy, he wont be standing for parliament.

“expat Says: whos kiddie fiddling in california and is it same sex.”

Its John Key and yes it is same sex.
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September 21, 2008 3:30pm
Southern Raider

I see one of the chapters in Wisharts book has just been proven correct with the independent report into the Police in Dunedin.

Does this put more credence on the other chapters? and does Ms King still believe that Gibbons is a reliable character witness?
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September 21, 2008 5:42pm
tknorriss

Just saw the nonsense on TV3 about cultural audits. Before a road can go in it is standard practice to search the area for ghosts, spirits etc at who knows how much cost to the taxpayer. What a joke. But typical of the liberal, hand-ringing lot we have in there at the moment.
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September 21, 2008 6:29pm
Tauhei Notts

Different subject, but
Alt TV have a repeat at 10.00 p.m. of their wonderful interview with Robert Fisk. The Yids amongst you will severely dislike it but I thought it was wonderful when I caught earlier last week.
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September 21, 2008 8:33pm
lloydois

We must not look to government to solve our problems. Government is the problem.
— Ronald Reagan

Ronald Reagan’s favorite laugh line was telling audiences that: “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.’ ”

As Friedman points out today.

“Are you still laughing? If it weren’t for the government bailing out Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and A.I.G., and rescuing people from Hurricane Ike and pumping tons of liquidity into the banking system, our economy would be a shambles. How would you like to hear the line today: “I’m from the government, and I can’t do a darn thing for you.”

Sounds to me like the Republicans can kiss the election goodbye.

Is anyone stupid enough to buy this line again after the events of last week?

C’mon let’s here it from redbaiter, big bruv, kiwi in america and all those other geniuses who thought Sarah was here to save them.
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September 21, 2008 9:59pm
Redbaiter

“If it weren’t for the government bailing out Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and A.I.G., and rescuing people from Hurricane Ike and pumping tons of liquidity into the banking system, our economy would be a shambles.”

You communists are really such children. This facile claim (above), founded in the simpleton propaganda of a plethora of global cultural Marxists posing as journalists, low IQ recounters of second hand leftist doctrine based myths, is so starkly wrong it just makes me want to laff. In leiu of crying, at how fucked up this world is because of the social ascendancy of dumbfucks like Illy and his ilk. If it weren’t for the gummint and the liberals that run it mandating by legislation unsafe real estate loans to borrowers who were never going to make the payments, the crisis would never have occurred.

Heres’ the real story. Twenty years or so ago, the dipshits leftists in Washington made it clear to banks and other lending institutions that if they did not do something to bring more minorities and low-income Americans into the world of home ownership there would be a heavy price to pay. In typical Marxist fashion, Congress set up processes whereby community activist groups and organizers could effectively stop a bank’s efforts to grow if that bank didn’t make loans to unqualified borrowers.

Enter, stage left, the “subprime” mortgage. These lenders knew that a very high percentage of these loans would turn to garbage, but it was a price that had to be paid if the bank was to expand and grow.

Aside – Guess who was a big mover and shaker in one of the groups (ACORN) forcing banks into making these bad loans. The communist Barack Obama, whose campaign is now managed by the losers from the Democrat party who while working as directors, sent Fannie and Freddie down the tube at the same time as they paid themselves $90 million bonuses.

These garbage loans to unqualified borrowers were then bundled up and sold. The expectation was that the loans would be eventually paid off when rising home values led some borrowers to access their equity through re-financing and others to sell and move on up the ladder. Big mistake.

This is not a failure of the free market and capitalism. What we’re seeing is the inevitable result of political interference by dumbfuck socialists in free market economics.

ABC Bank didn’t want to loan money to Joe Homebuyer because Joe had a spotty job history, owed too much money on his credit cards, and wasn’t all that good at making payments on time. The liberal politicians (like Klinton, Kullen, Klark and Obama) told ABC Bank to figure out a way to make that loan, because, after all, Joe is a straight up minority African American, or forget about opening that new branch office on the Southside.

The loan was made under political pressure and with millions like it, failed and thats why we ended up where we are. You won’t read it in the mainstream media tho. All you’ll hear is the same predictable claptrap spouted by Illy above. Over and over and over, the drumbeat of the Marxist propagandas and dogmatists, reaching as they always are for the hammer and the nails to fasten the lid on the coffin of capitalism.
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September 21, 2008 10:29pm
WebWrat

lloydois (82) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 1 Says:
September 21st, 2008 at 9:59 pm

“C’mon let’s here it from redbaiter, big bruv, kiwi in america and all those other geniuses who thought Sarah was here to save them.”

lloydois, if you actually listened to Redbaiter or Kiwi in America, you wouldn’t be such an ignorant fuckwit. What’s Sarah got to do with it? Christ you pricks will try to destroy anyone that’s not as retarded as you.

From:
http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html

DEMOCRATS NOT TO BLAME? NONSENSE

About Nancy Pelosi. She says the Democrats share absolutely none of the blame for the current financial goings-on. She’s wrong. In fact, she’s lying because she knows here statement to be untrue. I’m going to unload on this when I get back, but here’s your primer:

1. Almost all of the financial problems we see today are based on bad mortgage lending. That would be lending money to people to buy homes who didn’t qualify for a loan.

2. The Democrats, under Clinton, strengthened a government-created monster called the “Community Reinvestment Act.” This law was then used by “activists” and “community organizers” (like Obama?) to coerce lending institutions to make these bad loans … millions of them.

3. Now we see what happens when political “wisdom” supplants good loan underwriting. When private financial institutions are virtually forced to make loans to people with a bad credit and job history .. this is what you get. Enjoy it.

The Democrats have offered us a candidate who is very anti-private sector. Obama believes that America is great because of government and those who, like him, deride the profit motive. If Americans are stupid enough to believe his socialist drivel and put him in office .. .then we will get just what we so richly deserve. This week is just a preview.
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September 21, 2008 11:41pm
Mike

Redbaiter,

No, I think you’ll find that they changed the law so that banks couldn’t decline a loan to a black man who is in an identical financial situation to a white man. You need to get in touch with reality, but I guess you think reality has a left wing bias also huh?

Anyway your still all claiming that the problem is from deregulation, seems though that its ok to claim this if its a left wing party that did so.
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September 21, 2008 11:49pm
expat

Mike said: “No, I think you’ll find that they changed the law so that banks couldn’t decline a loan to a black man who is in an identical financial situation to a white man”

Oh, yes, and which rabbit tunnel did you pull that piece of ‘wisdom’ out of?

Fannie and Freddie were created at the behest of politicians to support their socialist objectives.
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September 21, 2008 11:57pm
Redbaiter

“Oh, yes, and which rabbit tunnel did you pull that piece of ‘wisdom’ out of?”

Mind boggling isn’t it? ..and look at this load of incomprehensible incoherent garbage-

“Anyway your still all claiming that the problem is from deregulation, seems though that its ok to claim this if its a left wing party that did so.”

Really, a prime requirement of being a leftist must be a brain cell count about 50% lower than sub-normal.
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September 22, 2008 12:38am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

We know who the fifth man is now, David Garrett, an Auckland lawyer and passionate anti-crime advocate:
Act outlines campaign for harsh, quick justice
Very clever of ACT to pick up on the Law and Order issues as it is fertile ground completely abandoned by Labour and National. Rodney Hide makes it clear that the Law and Order policy is one that it is not prepared to comprise on to form a government. That’ll means John Key won’t be able to “Me too” Labour’s “lets hug criminals and commit crimes for fun with no consequences policy”.

Interesting times.
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September 22, 2008 6:32am
expat

Waiheke moaners

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10533443

Move if you dont like it.

What is it about the tree hugging commies that live there?
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September 22, 2008 6:48am
dad4justice

I thought those utopian fairies on Waiheke Island had wings to fly anyway?
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September 22, 2008 6:53am
calendar girl

From this morning’s Dominion Post: “Attorney-General Michael Cullen has a meeting with SFO director Grant Liddell today.”

Is Liddell about to get a dressing down from his boss? What is happening to the operational indepencence of our law enforement agencies?
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September 22, 2008 6:58am
expat

Mikhael will be making sure lidell makes the ‘right’ decision re: WRP, 63, MP, NFA.

Fuck Labour are corrupt.
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September 22, 2008 7:00am
Glutaemus Maximus

Waiheke, nude day every day.

Cosmic Twinky Wonderland.
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September 22, 2008 8:17am
Dr Robotnik

You should have heard the old witch on NewstalkZB this morning.

Telling us that military action is not the way to deal with terrorist, give them a cuddle, some money and get rid of corrupt government. I nearly pissed.

Then when asked whether she would have to make a decision on Winnie of the pishkesh she basically said, “Nah, that privileges committee thing is a load of old bollocks mate. Me and Winnie are still tight and fuck those National wankers, questioning us? Who the fuck do they think they are?”

CORRUPTION.
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September 22, 2008 8:21am
Mike

“# Redbaiter (3679) Vote: Add rating 3 Subtract rating 1 Says:
September 22nd, 2008 at 12:38 am

“Oh, yes, and which rabbit tunnel did you pull that piece of ‘wisdom’ out of?”

Mind boggling isn’t it? ..and look at this load of incomprehensible incoherent garbage-

“Anyway your still all claiming that the problem is from deregulation, seems though that its ok to claim this if its a left wing party that did so.”

Really, a prime requirement of being a leftist must be a brain cell count about 50% lower than sub-normal.
”

Of course you could have addressed my comment, but you chose not to because a brain dead fuck like you has no show.
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September 22, 2008 12:37pm
RRM

Expat (and others): If you REALLY think it helps illustrate your points, to call labour MPs by corruptions of their names that look “sort-of Russian”, then do yourself a favour and at least make a note of the correct spelling of “Mikhail”.

The spell-checker even gives that one to you 😉
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