General Debate 20 September 2008

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Wolverine

John Key – grow some balls, bub.
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September 20, 2008 8:11am
Grant Michael McKenna

There was a streaker at Winston Peters’ speech at the University of Otago yesterday. NZ First really had nothing to hide.
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September 20, 2008 8:25am
democracymum

I heard an incredibly damning (and incriminating) audio clip this morning on the news from Winston
trying to explain why told a different story to the privileges committee.

Anyone else hear this?
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September 20, 2008 8:30am
Redbaiter

Mr. Hooten might be a self described “sickening white liberal” who (as one would expect) runs a disgustingly illiberal blog, but he does not deserve the insane hate driven attack launched on him on Friday night by Phil U on the “Hooten Hits Back” thread. A gross abuse of this discussion facility by an uncivilized and ill mannered leftist thug.
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September 20, 2008 8:32am
dad4justice

Hooten and his cowardly commie mates think it’s funny to ban and make public my IP address. He has laid down the terms of reference. Is that Bryan Spondre thing a human being or a Aunty Helloon robot? She has many under her evil spell. Eh Matt !!
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September 20, 2008 8:36am
damocles

Heard the radio report on the 9pm NewstalkZB-supplied bulletin last night.

It turns out that — even though at the time Winston went back and “checked his records” and found that he had reimbursed his blood brother Brian “out of his own pocket” — now Winston finds that the pocket in question was in fact firmly attached to the Spencer Trust at the time (http://newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=144792).

The mendacious one now says that he “gave the Privileges Committee a different explanation because he was only working from memory at the time.” Interesting place to keep your records.

Of course, the only reason this came to light last night was because the Alzheimers cleared briefly — nothing to do with the SFO briefing to the PC earlier in the week.
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September 20, 2008 8:37am
expat

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10533225

Whining fuckers – dont live there.
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September 20, 2008 8:42am
kiwipolemicist

Helen (aka the White Witch) now wants to control the lives of children until their 18th birthday via compulsory training. How is an extra two years going to help when we have an education system that produces functionally illiterate children? What do the rest of you think about this?

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/helens-latest-brain-seizure-compulsory-training-to-age-17/
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September 20, 2008 8:45am
democracymum

damocles

It was the faltering manner in which he spoke that surprised me.
I think we have been all very focused on analysing what he is saying rather than how he
was saying it.

This audio clip, was the most damning evidence I have read/heard since this whole thing began
I hope I hear the chance to hear it again on Newstalkzb.
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September 20, 2008 8:46am
Patrick Starr

Peters has become extremely careless in almost every statement he’s making now

“Mr Peters says the trust was set up to help New Zealand First with legal expenses, and it did just that. He says Mr Henry paid the money, and was later reimbursed by the Spencer Trust.”

NZF legal expenses? – no -remember Winnie you previously claimed Owen Glenn lied because he said he donated to NZF.
You cant have it both ways you lying bastard
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September 20, 2008 8:51am
Andrew W

This from another thread, I think it’s a good question, where to now for new laws and policy from a 4th term of Labour Govt (heaven forbid):

Glutaemus Maximus (314) Vote: 0 0 Says:

September 20th, 2008 at 7:13 am
Let us all take an hour to imagine a Fourth term of Labour Governace.

What would be the likely outcome if by some travesty Helengrad perpetuates?

The fun we had on John ‘Baby Eater’ Key doing despicable things in the distant past.

Imagine another 3 years of oppression, what would we have to endure? Certainly a 5th term in my opinion!

A totalitarian regime to last at least a 1000 tears!
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September 20, 2008 8:54am
democracymum

kiwipolemicist

Ironically this policy also penalises those children who are fast learners.
My son will be 15 at the start of Year 13 and could, theoretically have finished a degree by the time he is 18.
No gap year, or work experience, or OE for him until the White Witch says so.
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September 20, 2008 8:57am
Adam

New Fairfax poll is out and it’s all bad for Hulun. http://www.stuff.co.nz/4699070a6160.html
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September 20, 2008 8:58am
dog_eat_dog

Expat – I agree, the cost of buses has gone up quite a lot too, yet we aren’t seeing any demands from councils on that, are we?
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September 20, 2008 9:01am
GerryandthePM

Both Winston Peters and Jim Anderton will join the flight to Australia.
They have been offered positions with Electoral Law of Asians advice company Smirken,Shaw,Tass,Preekes in Seedney.
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September 20, 2008 9:08am
Falafulu Fisi

For believers in psychic bullshit, here is a thorough analysis of the star psychics of the TV2 Sensing Bullshit show, by the skeptics at Silly Beliefs web site. It is a must read for the gullibles/suckers out there who believe this bullshit.

Episode: When the Trail goes Cold — Kaye Stewart : Psychics and the NZ Police

On this last episode Sensing Murder, the spirit of Kaye Stewart was clearly talking to the psychics (Kevin & Deb), but she (Kaye Stewart ) herself was not reluctant to tell the psychics where her body is buried, and that is funny, isn’t it?
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September 20, 2008 9:10am
Adolf Fiinkensein

Has anyone else noticed the term “Clark/Peters Axis” has stuck? How wonderful.

I see commentary to the effect Clark is trying to steal Winston’s ‘old buggers constituency from him. The best way to appeal to voters aged 65 and over is to talk about the election campaign as a battle between the Axis Powers and the Allies. It’s enough to make me dust off my Spitfire and Bren Gun.
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September 20, 2008 9:17am
Put it away

Expat – yeah fuck those whining JAFAs, the prices are just going up the same as fuel costs. They need to harden the fuck up or live somewhere else.
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September 20, 2008 9:22am
kiwipolemicist

democracymum

My reply to your comment is too long to post as a comment, but you can find it here:
http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/compulsory-training-part-2/
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September 20, 2008 10:31am
reid

“Has anyone else noticed the term “Clark/Peters Axis” has stuck? How wonderful.”

Yeah I saw Armstrong used it today, isn’t it great. I wonder when the LPG coalition will sign up to a tripartite pact?
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September 20, 2008 10:32am
philu

“..an uncivilized and ill mannered leftist thug..”

heh..!..has to be a t-shirt..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 20, 2008 10:35am
philu

“..“Has anyone else noticed the term “Clark/Peters Axis” has stuck? How wonderful.”

yes..’secret agendas’..and ‘a matter of trust/competence for the job’..

..are really ‘stickng-up’ nicely..

..aren’t they..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 20, 2008 10:37am
kiwipolemicist

The troll is back: just ignore him so he won’t get his jollies from a reaction.
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September 20, 2008 10:53am
RedRock

Here is a link to Winston on the NewstalkZB last night.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/audioshowpod1.asp?podname=Politics&podlink=pol
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September 20, 2008 11:01am
expat

Why does the labour party have so many gay people in their ranks?
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September 20, 2008 11:05am
expat

seriously, whats the attraction with labour?
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September 20, 2008 11:05am
RedRock

What is really interesting is that Larry Williams at the end of the interview says to Winston “Thank you for calling.” I take that to mean that Winston called unexpectedly.

To me that shows two things:
1) Just how small NZ politics is when a senior politician rings a radio station to try and defend himself.
2) An element of desperation in Winston’s actions and words. Democrymum is right. The tone of his voice is very telling.
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September 20, 2008 11:12am
big bruv

Expat

The attraction of Labour is easy, it is the party for the envious and lazy, they want to be better off but they do not want to do the work.
They hate the idea that some people have got off their arse and done well, they seem to think that the world owes them a living, people like Clark know this and feed from it, what Labour voters fail to realise is that they are being used by Labour and that Labour will never do anything to improve their lot in life.

In a nutshell Labour voters are either stupid, lazy, or they have a communist/socialist agenda they want to push.
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September 20, 2008 11:18am
kiwipolemicist

expat

Labour is full of homosexuals and lesbians because they want to change society and Labour is a vehicle that allows them to do that. Also, if they are in power they can grant legal protection to their own perversions. More detail in my posts:

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/the-motives-of-the-liberal-left/
http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/new-zealand-has-changed-a-lot-in-20-years-thanks-to-the-liberal-left-agenda/
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September 20, 2008 11:23am
reid

“The tone of his voice is very telling.”

Yes it is. I noted his hand shaking during one of the committee hearings on TV too. He’s been caught and he knows it. I would have had sympathy for him if he hadn’t tried to destroy the careers of people who are just doing their jobs. His treatment of the SFO CEO reminds me of Hulun’s treatment of the drivers of her speeding convoy.

Both of them are shocking examples of leadership.
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September 20, 2008 11:35am
Dr Robotnik

Winston phoned NewstalkZB, it was prearranged.

I was listening as I drove home from work, here that philu, WORK, and “let me tell you this” I was pissing myself.

If you can’t even make bullshit sound believable then how the fuck do you expect it to stack up, eh Winnie?

Come clean, knife the witch, and walk a way with a modicum of pride, even if you are a thieving charlatan. You’ve been used, like a double ended dildo.

As for the Labour compulsory training policy, I was shocked that it was not brought up for discussion yesterday. What a reprehensible policy, ever heard the story about leading a horse to water? Fucking stupid idea. Give them the option and the means of support, but compulsion? Fuck that.

Edit: I see another rogue poll was released this morning. When are people going to learn, no one really supports National, we are all Labour at heart and the election has already been decided. By Helen.
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September 20, 2008 11:36am
Neil

I saw that “rogue” poll this morning too,sub-edited in The Southland Times as “Poll points to rout by National Party”Labor and its cronies must believe in voodoo if they think they are going to win power.Hence the “headless chook” mentality by Clark,Cullen and Winston Last.
Any poll aware person knows the key is how long they have had this lead. National’s had that lead for over a year while Key has enjoyed support as preferred PM for almost the same length of time. The signs are very ominous for Labor.
There can’t be too many uncertains around now, except for the NZFirst voters one hears on talkback. Still claiming that the rest are as bad and so that makes Winston like pure white toilet paper before being used.Probably can’t sleep because they are worried that Winston has found hobgoblins in his Spencer Trust
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September 20, 2008 11:54am
Adolf Fiinkensein

There were thirteen percent undecided in this poll.
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September 20, 2008 12:09pm
Put it away

That radio clip is great. It really sounds like Peters is starting to melt as the committee applies the blowtorch. Who’s got the marshmallows ?
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September 20, 2008 12:25pm
PhilBest

Dad4Justice, Redbaiter, everyone; THIS is what I said when Trotter first started blogging, on DPF’s thread about him:

# PhilBest (2658) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:34 am

# pushmepullu (379) Add karma Subtract karma +1 Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:51 am

“I think we should start a mass migration to Trotter’s blog and tell him what we really think of him.

If we work at this we will have the poor little Trotskyite running crying out of the blogosphere with his tail between his legs in a few days. The poor fool has no idea, no idea at all what he’s let himself in for.”
(pushmepullu quote ends).

(PhilBest comment begins:)”More likely, pushmepullu, he will slap swift bans on all cogent, hardhitting rightwingers and conservatives. I find it hard to believe a political animal like Trottersky is not already active on the blogosphere, including this site, under a name like “RRM” or “Roger Nome” or “Sonic”.

It may be a good idea to set up a “Trotter Watch” blog where us righties can have the field day we want. But I think Whale Oil or No, Minister already do a good job deconstructing Trotters newspaper columns on a regular basis.

The other strong suspicion I have about Trotter’s foray into the blogosphere at this time, is that, knowing his ethics, (anything goes as long as it advances “our” glorious cause), there will be some kind of “sting” involved in this, perhaps people like Redbaiter will find that the confidentiality of their e-mail address, and issues of that nature, is suddenly a very elastic concept.”

THANK YOU, everybody……..don’t say I didn’t warn you……..
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September 20, 2008 12:30pm
Patrick Starr

Thanks for the link Redrock. After listening to that I am convinced that Peters best chance of acquittal is a plea of insanity. The guy is absolutely barking mad!

It would be interesting if the media got a good psychiatrist to do an analysis of his explanations?.

(and don’t suggest yours Philu – I did say a good one)
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September 20, 2008 12:33pm
Redbaiter

Yep Phil, you were dead right. One of the few who understand the real nature of the leftist beast.
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September 20, 2008 12:35pm
PhilBest

# Andrew W (1191) Vote: Add rating4 Subtract rating 0 Says:
September 20th, 2008 at 8:54 am

“This from another thread, I think it’s a good question, where to now for new laws and policy from a 4th term of Labour Govt (heaven forbid):

Glutaemus Maximus (314) Vote: 0 0 Says:

September 20th, 2008 at 7:13 am
Let us all take an hour to imagine a Fourth term of Labour Governance.

What would be the likely outcome if by some travesty Helengrad perpetuates?

The fun we had on John ‘Baby Eater’ Key doing despicable things in the distant past.

Imagine another 3 years of oppression, what would we have to endure? Certainly a 5th term in my opinion!

A totalitarian regime to last at least a 1000 tears!”

AndrewW, I am with you on this……..did you mean to say “1000 tears”, though, or “1000 YEARS”? Either way, well said.

Venezuela is the place to watch, I reckon: thick, thick, thick voters who “give Chavez an inch” again and again and again and DO NOT LEARN when he takes a mile every time……..things hang in the balance there right now…….at the point at which it is possible that a majority of the thick, thick, thick Venezuelans might actually vote Chavez out, there will probably be no election held in which they can do it……and no election for decades, misery, enslavement……

OK, it hasn’t happened in an Anglo Democracy………YET.
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September 20, 2008 12:40pm
PhilBest

I have been meaning to raise a question I have had in the back of my mind for some time: Is “philu” genuine, or is he some kind of paid stooge with the aim of provoking rightwingers to make comments that some day will be recycled and used by the Heleban as an example of rightwing “hate speech”; perhaps as justification for some sort of blog control legislation?

Perhaps some of the “moderate” rightwingers (BLEAH) could start taking me seriously about the nature of the Leftwing beast?
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September 20, 2008 12:46pm
slightlyrighty

As I said, DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!
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September 20, 2008 12:58pm
philu

this one is for ‘bloody-hands-/sideshow-bob’..

and shows just how unhealthy the foul muck he peddles is..(esp. for children..)

“….Let’s look at the scientific literature first.

From 1988 to 1993 there were over 2,700 articles dealing with milk recorded in the ‘Medicine’ archives.

Fifteen hundred of these had milk as the main focus of the article.

There is no lack of scientific information on this subject. I reviewed over 500 of the 1,500 articles..

..discarding articles that dealt exclusively with animals, esoteric research and inconclusive studies.

How would I summarize the articles?

They were only slightly less than horrifying.

First of all, none of the authors spoke of cow’s milk as an excellent food, free of side effects and the ‘perfect food’ as we have been led to
believe by the industry.

The main focus of the published reports seems to be on intestinal colic, intestinal irritation, intestinal bleeding, anemia, allergic reactions
in infants and children as well as infections such as salmonella..”

(that’s just the beginning..!..wait ’till you get to the cancer-links..!’..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2008/just-how-bad-is-milk-for-you/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 20, 2008 12:58pm
Redbaiter

Philu is a lot of things that disgust me, but he’s primarily a narcissist. Its all about Phil. His whole persona is about ego. You really want to piss him off? Just don’t acknowledge his existence. In any way. I try to do that, but its difficult when so many gullible (but well intentioned) people are providing the responses that keep him coming back for more.
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September 20, 2008 1:24pm
PaulL

Or use the philu blocking tool. I seem to have misplaced the link to it, but I gather it works quite well.
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September 20, 2008 1:28pm
Dr Robotnik

Go look at what happened when Hooten called him a nutter. It was fucking hilarious.

What a psychotic loser.
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September 20, 2008 2:12pm
SK

National MP John Hayes supposedly tried to run down James Sleep, but didn’t do a very good job.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4699139a11.html
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September 20, 2008 2:53pm
PaulL

See, this is why National cannot be trusted in power. Can’t even run over a 16 year old boy, how can they possibly run the economy?
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September 20, 2008 3:00pm
Nomestradamus

Dr Robotnik:

You mean this comment?

The prize on that thread, for me, is this:

..and..over to you to get it sorted..eh..?..

..(that’s if you want your blog to be the success it could..

..eh..?

Yes folks, Philu lecturing others on blog success. Oh the irony! 🙂
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September 20, 2008 3:01pm
dad4justice

I will shout a keg too anybody who designs anti phool software. Clearly he is deranged as is the Supreme Leader of the communist Labour Party Miss Klark and her crazy circus.
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September 20, 2008 4:28pm
Put it away

The easiest anti-phool software is in your head, just automatically scroll when you see his retarded double full stops and double newlines, it quickly becomes a muscle memory thing that you do automatically without wasting too many neurotransmitters that could be better spent on posters who are capable of rational thought and coherent argument
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September 20, 2008 4:41pm
dad4justice

Thank you for that, because it was doing my head in reading his insane frothings.
Do have a good day.
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September 20, 2008 4:46pm
Southern Raider

Did any one see Klark pop up after the Warriors game last night?

What a great way to wreck a brilliant game and put the jinx on them for next week.

I issue I have is that she’s pubically stated on many occasions she doen’t like sport, but always manages to like it enough if there is a photo opportunity.
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September 20, 2008 5:28pm
Nomestradamus

Southern Raider:

she’s pubically stated on many occasions

Oh please – this is a G-rated thread! Otherwise I share your sentiment about photo-ops 🙂
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September 20, 2008 5:45pm
Southern Raider

Did you see Winnie on the news?

Good way to win votes in the Korean community by spending your allocated speaking slot attacking the organisers for not giving him enough time and not providing an interpreter
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September 20, 2008 6:18pm
expat

Klark turns up at the warriors game.

Advisor weasel: “Ms Clark, you need to associate yourself with winners, your colleagues if may be so bold don’t fit the requirement. It would also be advisable to actually spend some facetime with the labour core demographic, yes, yes, I know, the smelly working classes and unemployed. I suggest you make an appearance at the next Warriors game ma’am, no no, of course you wont have to stay and shake hands, just get on TV”.

Clark: “Hmph, well, alright but if I catch the flu I’ll be really cross”
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September 20, 2008 6:34pm
big bruv

None of this matters people, there are far more important things to worry about.

The mighty Wellington are about to win the shield for the first time in 27 years!
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September 20, 2008 6:59pm
JSF2008

GO THE LIONS ,Wellington RUGBY RULES , LUV WINNING the R shield,
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September 20, 2008 9:02pm
JSF2008

Can a 4wd be damaged driving over james sleep a dumb protester (against what)and the liarbour party, a thought , the off road abilities of any 4wd could be tested by running over liarbour party academics,(NON WORKERS) their big heads and stupid egos could test any low ratio gearbox. Parliment the new off road testing ground.
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