General Debate 19 September 2008

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OECD rank 22 kiwi

How about that US presidential race?

Nice Palin interview at Fox News.
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September 19, 2008 8:09am
homepaddock

It’s the 115th anniversary of women’s suffrage in New Zealand.
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September 19, 2008 8:09am
sbk

NZF 5%! ,my faith in the people of NZ has been shattered.
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September 19, 2008 8:11am
Michaels

Should the privileges committee be made up from the public…. like a jury?
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September 19, 2008 8:16am
big bruv

“It’s the 115th anniversary of women’s suffrage in New Zealand”

Who really cares?, suffrage gave us Helen Clark, that is nothing to celebrate.
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September 19, 2008 8:20am
petal

Wow. Look at the Brains Trust above. Astounding.
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September 19, 2008 8:25am
Oscars Grouchy Mum

Dear Winston Peters

Can you please tell me why you desparately wanted those “meerkats” in the media holding your hand at the privileges committee yesterday?

Sucks when you can’t manipulate things the way you want them. BOO HOO.
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September 19, 2008 8:28am
Oscars Grouchy Mum

Big Bruv – if sufferage gave us Helen Clark, who the hell gave us Winston Peters, Trevor Mallard, Michael Cullen ….

Do I need to go on?
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September 19, 2008 8:31am
David Farrar

SBK: Roy Morgan normally has NZ First way above all the other polls. I would not get too worried about it.
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September 19, 2008 8:31am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

homepaddock says at 8:09 am:

It’s the 115th anniversary of women’s suffrage in New Zealand.

Must be about time we changed the person on the $10 note. Someone tourists might recognise. Or perhaps the greatest All Black of all time.
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September 19, 2008 8:33am
Patrick Starr

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September 19, 2008 8:52am
Brian Smaller

Anyone know what has happened to Whaleoils site? I keep getting a frontpage and nothing else.
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September 19, 2008 9:11am
CraigM

“It’s the 115th anniversary of women’s suffrage in New Zealand”

I’m lucky then, I’ve only been suffring for 45 years.
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September 19, 2008 9:13am
Redbaiter

Brian- I have read that Whaleoil is shifting hosts and is sick too.
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September 19, 2008 9:23am
WraithX

What is the story about Helen’s husband and why is it not in the news? Is it just a vicious rumour?

[DPF: Yes and references to it attract demerits]
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September 19, 2008 9:31am
Billy

Oh really, Redbaiter? Where’d you read that?
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September 19, 2008 9:31am
big bruv

Petal

Take a chill pill and get back in the kitchen, I really wonder what our forefathers were thinking when they decided to let you lot out in the first place.
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September 19, 2008 9:34am
big bruv

If Helen calls anything a “vicious rumour” then you can be sure that it is true.
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September 19, 2008 9:36am
Redbaiter

“Petal Take a chill pill and get back in the kitchen,”

Ain’t she cute?
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September 19, 2008 9:41am
WraithX

big bruv: I have only just returned to NZ to live so I am not up on the background of the story – what exactly happened and what was reported by the press? Is this something that is going to come up during the campaign?
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September 19, 2008 9:42am
Dr Robotnik

WraithX – hint

I think I’m done with the sofa
I think I’m done with the hall
I think I’m done with the kitchen table, baby

let’s go outside (let’s go outside)
in the sunshine
I know you want to, but you can’t say yes
Let’s go outside
in the moonshine
take me to the places that I love best

So my angel she says, don’t you worry
’bout the things they’re saying, yeah
got no friends in high places
and the game that you gave away
wasn’t worth playing

let’s go outside
in the sunshine
I know you want to, but you can’t say yes
let’s go outside
in the meantime
take me to the places that I love best

and yes I’ve been bad
doctor won’t you do with me what you can
you see I think about it all the time
twenty four seven

you say you want it, you got it
I never really said it before
there s nothing here but flesh and bone
there’s nothing more nothing more
there’s nothing more

back to nature, just human nature
getting on back to

I think I m done with the sofa
I think I m done with the hall
I think I’m done with the kitchen table, baby

let’s go outside
in the sunshine
I know you want to, but you can’t say yes
let’s go outside
in the moonshine
take me to the places that I love best

and yes I’ve been bad
doctor won’t you do with me what you can
you see I think about it all the time
I’d service the community
(but I already have you see!)
I never really said it before

there’s nothing here but flesh and bone
there’s nothing more, nothing more
there’s nothing more
let’s go outside
dancing on the D-train baby

when the moon is high
and the grass is jumpin’
come on, just keep on funkin’
keep on funkin’, just keep on funkin’
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September 19, 2008 9:47am
Ross Miller

David … thank you for your advice that Roy Morgan consistantly overstates NZF support (breathes a deep sigh of relief).

Does it also consistently understate ACT support which it shows mired at 1.5%. I certainly would have expected it to be higher. Is it perhaps the ‘Douglas’ scare factor or something else?
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September 19, 2008 9:59am
WraithX

Dr Robotnik: was it covered up? Who was involved if so?
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September 19, 2008 10:00am
Dr Robotnik

The beard to hide the true face,
Smuggled away in disgrace,
Baubles assisted.
The lies came a twisted,
Corruption will lose them the race.
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September 19, 2008 10:03am
coventry

The Roy Morgan polls appear to have too small a sample base, it’s either that or they only ring Rest Homes located in the 07.
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September 19, 2008 10:06am
Billy

But DPF, Roy Morgan says Winnie’s vote has doubled since the last poll. So if the overstating is consistent, it is troubling.
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September 19, 2008 10:06am
gd

WraithX

Oh yes its the biggest coverup we have ever seen A toxic combination of the MSM and many of those who know and if they had good ethics and good morals would speak up and speak out. It is a matter of corruption that goes to the very heart of good governance. A matter of a person using their position to prevail on others to obstruct the course of justice.

A vile and venal matter of behaviour so utterly bad as to fail comparsion with any other.

And just to add to the sordid affair a matter that has now caused the central party to avoid taking appropriate actions and twisting and turning and being supported by those who know of the matter but are staying silent and thereby giving tacit support
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September 19, 2008 10:22am
getstaffed

Talk among surgeons

Five surgeons from big cities are discussing who makes the best patients to operate on.

The first surgeon, from Auckland, says, I like to see accountants on my operating table because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered.

The second, from Christchurch, responds, Yeah, but you should try electricians. Everything inside them is color coded.

The third surgeon, from Dunedin, says, No, I really think librarians are the best, everything inside them is in alphabetical order.

The fourth surgeon, from Hamilton chimes in: You know, I like construction workers. Those guys always understand when you have a few parts left over.

But the fifth surgeon, from Wellington shut them all up when he observed: You’re all wrong. Politicians are the easiest to operate on. There’s no guts, no heart, no balls, no brains and no spine, and the head and the ass are interchangeable.
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September 19, 2008 10:28am
Redbaiter

Christine Rankin just called the government “lesbians”. (NewstalkZB)
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September 19, 2008 10:29am
goodgod

“Christine Rankin just called the government “lesbians”. (NewstalkZB)”

Just stating the facts, I guess.
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September 19, 2008 10:38am
Bob

Billy, Colmar Brunton shows NZF on only 2%. Take your pick.
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September 19, 2008 10:42am
llew

Oh yes its the biggest coverup we have ever seen A toxic combination of the MSM and many of those who know and if they had good ethics and good morals would speak up and speak out.

… or maybe no-one reported it because it didn’t happen?

Just an idea.
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September 19, 2008 10:45am
Dr Robotnik

You mean like Owen Glenn’s donation?
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September 19, 2008 10:46am
llew

You mean like Owen Glenn’s donation?

Almost exactly unlike Glenn’s donation. Look, I don’t know if the rumour is true or not, but unlike Glenn’s donation, there has been no evidence & no reporting in the media.

But like Peters’ bluster, there has been unverified scuttlebut & accusation from the likes of gd.

In both cases I think I can guess which is truth & which is bullshit.

Evidence can change my mind though.
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September 19, 2008 10:52am
Michaels

LABOUR HAVE NO NEW POLICY!!!
The prime minister has just released a policy that they released months ago.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4698496a6160.html
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September 19, 2008 10:58am
gd

llew So how come the parties concerned havent take a case against Ian Wishart then Is that they are afraid the truth will out

if is aint true then like Luigi says it can all be cleared up in 5 minutes.

It just to smug to say the parties are ignoring it.

If they value their reputations then they have a place to go and settle the issue once and for all.

Remember the old saying No smoke without fire
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September 19, 2008 10:58am
Lindsay Addie

I wish to promote an idea that some here may well think I’m a bit mad for putting it forward.

I’ve come to the view that all this fuss over Winston Peters could actually be helping him. Note the results in the latest Roy Morgan Poll, it shows him at 5%. Perhaps that old cliche about ‘any publicity is good publicity’ applies to Peters and his friends. I do think this issue which is getting such widespread coverage isn’t helping National. Why? Because for starters it isn’t helping the media coverage of where the parties are at in regards to their policies. Where is the MSM coverage of the fact that Labour have no policies announced yet?

The best thing for the Winston Peters – NZ First fiasco is for it to be off the headlines asap. Let Peters and friends try to get publicity some other way and not the easy way they’re getting it now.

I think the EFA is definitely helping Labour. Why? Where are the usual bunch of pressure groups with their off the wall ideas that add so much to an election campaign. It’s just plain boring without the loony lefty and raving rightwing groups carrying on and banging heads over some issue or another. A part of the democratic rights of people has been removed. Shame on all the politicians who voted for it.

Re the election result I think that National need to get to 47% at least. Getting over 50% is possible but will not be easy. On the other if the Roy Morgan poll was the election result Labour could cobble together a shonky coaltion and form a Government but it would be despised by the majority of voters.

So please MSM and bloggers lets move the election campaign onto more meaningful and constructive topics and leave The Old Poodle in his kennel.
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September 19, 2008 11:00am
llew

Show me the evidence gd. If we’re comparing this with the Peters thing, you’re not Owen Glenn, you’re Winston.
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September 19, 2008 11:01am
Michaels

I just posted this and it never showed up??? Odd??? Anyway, here goes again…..

LABOUR HAVE NO NEW POLICY!!!
The prime minister has just released a policy that they released months ago.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4698496a6160.html

I don’t get it!!!!
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September 19, 2008 11:01am
Billy

Bob,

I hope you’re right. It just seems inconceivable to me that Winston could have come out of this OK. Says a lot about the mindset of your average NZF supporter.
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September 19, 2008 11:03am
Dr Robotnik

llew, I heard the rumours a long, long time ago, and I’m pretty sure there was some kind of media report regarding an incident at LAX accompanied by a fairly indistinguishable photo of alleged perpetrator.

It was a long time ago now and at the time my interest was apolitical so I sniggered and moved on. The consequences may be graver than I would have credited at the time if there is any truth in the rumour though, given the subsequent revelations and implications regarding how the current coalition was formed.

And remember, the Winston – OG story started as rumour and speculation with no evidence.
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September 19, 2008 11:10am
llew

Oh hey gd,

I just heard that even wishart’s conceded there’s no evidence to the rumour. None whatsoever. However, I don’t have a link for that so carry on as you were.

And remember, the Winston – OG story started as rumour and speculation with no evidence.

That’s what I’m asking for – evidence. However, as I said, unlike the Peters’ Glenn affair, I am now of the opinion that the evidence doesn’t exist. Happy to change my mind though, if presented with evidence.

Evidence. Glenn produced it.
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September 19, 2008 11:11am
Louise3

The SFO was to be terminated a week after Rodney Hyde made his complaint with the media in tow. I hate ‘snitchers’ especially little men like him in canary yellow jackets running around squeaking the sky is falling are now asking Owen Glenn “Pick me pick me”! give your cash to me!! Re: Front page article, Sunday Times 14th September 2008. Rodney Hyde is to John Key what Boris is to Count Dracula his sidekick who says “yes Master”

Now lets take a closer look at The ‘Player’s; Their motives; The deals; Promises of things to come and The Pay-off’s!!

Rodney Hyde promises to save SFO at the eleventh hour by complaining about Winston on behalf of John Key Who promises a coalition government with Act What does Rodney get? He promises Own Glenn a position in his party in return for donations all be it declared because we are talking about possibly millions and the donation will not be affected by taxes or declaration or the amount promised to Act. Owen Glenn was expecting to be installed by Winston in Monaco and is pretty peed off cos Winston did not deliver. It was important to him as the posting in Monaco would have given him an enormous advantage over business interests there and also the diplomatic privilege that brings. The SFO is not happy with Winston as he has sounded the death knell for them , hence the letter from a disgruntled SFO member stating this. The SFO blurs the lines with the Privileges committee John Key promises the SFO a position in his government and to keep them alive In return the SFO gratefull for this Divine Intervention from death, agrees to bring down Winston.
Oh and there is the media well they are all peed off because Winston bruises their egos constantly!! Oh yeah sells paper’s!!
Now to sum it up : John Key +SFO, +Rodney Hyde+Owen Glenn +Media =Plenty of Motive to bring Ole Winston down!!
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September 19, 2008 11:28am
gd

llew please show me where I compared the matter to the Peters Glen Affair. I never did.

My point is and remains that where allegations are made if the persons concerned know the allegations are false then we have laws and a Court system to deal with such matters.

Persons who chose not to avail themselves of the system must expect that unless they do so questions will continue to be asked and if they refuse to reply then certain conclusions will be drawn.

The ball is in their court
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September 19, 2008 11:32am
llew

llew please show me where I compared the matter to the Peters Glen Affair. I never did.

No?

if is aint true then like Luigi says it can all be cleared up in 5 minutes.
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September 19, 2008 11:38am
llew

My point is and remains that where allegations are made if the persons concerned know the allegations are false then we have laws and a Court system to deal with such matters.

He hasn’t even been charged with anything & you want him in front of a court?

Persons who chose not to avail themselves of the system must expect that unless they do so questions will continue to be asked and if they refuse to reply then certain conclusions will be drawn.

The ball is in their court

Weren’t you saying exactly the opposite about allegations against Tony Veitch?

I’m sure if you spell out what it is you want to, someone may well avail themselves of the system. In the meantime gd, you’re making shit up.
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September 19, 2008 11:42am
gd

llew I wasnt referring to the Peters Glen case I was referirng to the one that dare not speak its name case.

I am saying if I was in the position of the parties involved and a person made these statements about me I would have them in Court as fast as I could to defend my reputation.

That is unless I knew the allegations were true and could be proven
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September 19, 2008 11:52am
llew

Weren’t you saying exactly the opposite about allegations against Tony Veitch?

No need to answer, I think I had someone else in mind.
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September 19, 2008 11:52am
llew

I am saying if I was in the position of the parties involved and a person made these statements about me I would have them in Court as fast as I could to defend my reputation.

Whereas I wouldn’t dignify them with a response.
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September 19, 2008 11:53am
big bruv

So you know its true as well then llew
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September 19, 2008 11:55am
Adam

Arr ya Scurvy Dogs lets be keelhauling that Clark wench Arr

http://www.piratequiz.com
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September 19, 2008 11:55am
llew

So you know its true as well then llew

Since you mention it, when this thread started I didn’t know. Now after asking around of a few people who would know, I’m convinced it’s bullshit. Why? The story changed too often. It was always bullshit.
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September 19, 2008 11:58am
siobhan

Gosh its pleasant to read through 51 comments and not have the experience ruined by philu.
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September 19, 2008 12:01pm
gd

siobhan Dont be too harsh on philu he adds to the rich tapestry that is DPFs blogsite.

I have almost but not quite learnt to decipher the strange code he writes in.

Llew yes I was trying to figure out your Veitch comment and frankly couldnt quite connect myself to it.

BTW has anyone seen a NZ1 Billboard around the country Havent seen any in Auckland What can this mean. Has the secret trust monies run out? Is Luigi still waiting for the Glen donation?

Also I would love to get hold of Luigis personal bank account details and have a good shifty Betcha the source of the deposits would make interesting reading. Mind you most would be in coin of the realm rather than cheques.

To get around the Money laundering Act he must have a squad making the deposits on his behalf.

Wonder if the SFO have cottoned onto the large deposit from (cough) and the Select Committee hearing finding around the same time yet
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September 19, 2008 12:55pm
Hoolian

Check it out:

CIR planned for 31 July to 21 August next year

Justice Minister Annette King says a Citizens Initiated Referendum on the question — “should a smack as part of good parental correction be a criminal offence in New Zealand?” — will be held between Friday 31 July 2009 and Friday 21 August 2009.

The Chief Electoral Office will run the postal referendum, the first held under the Referenda (Postal Voting) Act 2000.

The legislation requires a three week voting period for a postal referendum.

Ms King says the Referenda (Postal Voting) Act was enacted “to provide a simple and cost effective means of conducting referenda”.

“The postal referendum will be held after the Chief Electoral Office has completed the conduct of the 2008 General Election. The Chief Electoral Officer has recommended to the Government that the referendum be held between 31 July and 21 August 2009, with that timing reflecting the need to finish work on the 2008 election and complete the logistics needed to run a postal referendum.”

Hat tip: http://politicsandprose.blog.com/3901171
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September 19, 2008 12:57pm
PhilBest

llew (665) Vote: Add rating 1 Subtract rating 0 Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 11:11 am

“Oh hey gd,

I just heard that even Wishart’s conceded there’s no evidence to the rumour. None whatsoever. However, I don’t have a link for that so carry on as you were…..”

You need to read “Absolute Power”, if I remember rightly, Wishart says that he thinks Peter Davis is a decent man who has been unfairly smeared, or something to that effect. He still states that Peter Davis somehow managed to appear and speak at a conference in the USA while NZ immigration records do not show that he ever left NZ, and that the natural appearance of this being one of a “cover-up” gave the rest of the rumour “legs”. Apparently someone knows someone who knows the crew of the RNZAF plane that Davis rode on, but that must be all there is to it.
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September 19, 2008 12:57pm
philu

“..On the other if the Roy Morgan poll was the election result Labour could cobble together a shonky coaltion and form a Government but it would be despised by the majority of voters..”

absolute rubbish..

..a coalition would by necessity..be the majority..

..thereby representing the majority will/support..

..duh..?

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 19, 2008 1:21pm
llew

..a coalition would by necessity..be the majority..

That doesn’t mean that everyone who voted for parties in that coalition will be happy with their coalition partners.
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September 19, 2008 1:38pm
RRM

I saw an interesting graffito at the corner of The Terrace and Salamanca Rd just now. It reads:

KIWIBANK:
“Gone by Lunchtime”
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September 19, 2008 2:33pm
thedavincimode

Louise3

You could be onto something here. This gels nicely with the theory that Bobo the labrador ate the evidence that would have exonerated Winston. But what was the payoff for Bobo? Does Rodney even know Bobo? Or is Rodney just PRETENDING that he doesn’t know Bobo?

I can see how SFO evidence that the trust payed Winston’s expenses might indeed “blur the lines” to adopt your turn of phrase, in the same way that the murder accused standing over the victim and holding the murder weapon might also blur the lines.

This raises wider issues about the blatant self interest demonstrated by all of our regulatory and law enforcement agencies whenever they prosecute people who have already advised them of their innocence or compliance with whatever law/regulation that has allegedly been breached. They only do it to justify and perpetuate their existence. Why don’t they just leave those people alone and get on the case of the real bad guys; the ones that DON’T say that they didn’t do it?
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September 19, 2008 3:08pm
big bruv

RRM

“KIWIBANK:
“Gone by Lunchtime”

How I wish that that were true, sadly (and this is not something you will be familiar with) Key is not a liar, he is a man of his word.
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September 19, 2008 3:14pm
big bruv

Did anybody else hear about that juvenile cretin James Sleep standing in front of a vehicle which contained John Key?

I want to know what the driver was doing and why he stopped.
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September 19, 2008 3:16pm
bearhunter

Louise3: Rodney Hyde is to John Key what Boris is to Count Dracula his sidekick who says “yes Master”

How do you expect to be taken seriously if you can’t get the simple facts right? The only person ever to whine “Yes master” obsequiously was Igor, not Boris. What do they teach you younguns these days…
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September 19, 2008 3:18pm
big bruv

Two things I want to see happen this weekend.

1. The mighty Wellington bring the shield back to its rightful home.

2. The Penrose Warriors are hammered by whatever bullrush team they are playing tonight.
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September 19, 2008 3:30pm
redeye

BB

1. Yes but only so Tasman can get their hands on it.
2. Arent they playing with the cocks?
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September 19, 2008 3:43pm
Inventory2

Amen to #1 big bruv – I’ve just posted a Warriors preview over at Keeping Stock. I went to the Welly v Waikato match at the Tin last week, and if the Lions can get out of the blocks tomorrow like they did last Saturday, the Log of Wood is headed south.
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September 19, 2008 3:44pm
siobhan

“KIWIBANK:
“Gone by Lunchtime”

How I wish that that were true, sadly (and this is not something you will be familiar with) Key is not a liar, he is a man of his word.

I would imagine that if KIWIBANK wasn’t propped up by the government, it WOULD be gone by lunchtime.
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September 19, 2008 3:58pm
big bruv

I2

Heading HOME mate…heading HOME.
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September 19, 2008 4:03pm
Dr Robotnik

I dunno I2. I watched the Auckland – Waikato game and the pace was absolutely manic. I agree if they make as many errors as they did in that game the pretty boy Lions will punish them but you’re gonna miss Waldrom I reckon.
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September 19, 2008 4:03pm
Viking2

I have noticed.
Driving around Tauranga and the Mt. daily as I do I have noticed that there is something missing.
My Question; are we having an election or not?

Why do I ask?
Well simple really.
The complete absence of election hoarding from any party except National. In the “home” of NZF I have not seen a single sign and neither have I seen a Labour sign let alone any others. National have had their troops out and signs up.
Ponderings; is this because NZF and LAB no longer have any money to spend? Is it because they no longer have any willing supporters?
Certainly we don’t have an EPMU head office here to assist with their corporate time and staff etc. Maybe there is some other simple explanation that I have missed.

What’s happening elsewhere?

And I’d also remind you that Winston has yet to declare that he will be standing in the Tauranga electorate. That will be of course if he survives the current brouhaha.
One thing it is doing is keeping him off the streets. Hardly likely to advantage him in electioneering. No wonder he looked so beaten up yesterday.
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September 19, 2008 8:16pm
dad4justice

I live across the road from some nutbar freak with a huge red sign saying vote burns vote labour. I think it is a tinny house?
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September 19, 2008 8:25pm
Patrick Starr

Fuck – I had to give away 4 tickets to the shield match tomorrow. Im off to China for 9 days – but quietly relieved I wont have to see the log ‘o wood head south
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September 19, 2008 8:32pm
georgebolwing

OK, so we are 12.5% through the election campaign, and I am completely mystified by what Labour are doing.

They have presumably known for weeks that this was Week One and so we should have expected something big. Instead we get Phil Goff doing Ron Mark impersonations, Michael Cullen being pathetic and stupid by blaming John Key for the world’s economic woes and Helen Clark being being pathetic and stupid and insulting to the New Zealand Defence Force.

National has continued to release policies and does not appear to have done anything really stupid.

I would certainly give week one to the Nats by a wide margin.

I am coming to the conclusion that:

i) Labour are broke and have to wait for the taxpayer-funded TV ad money to arrive before they can do anything;

ii) they really did kid themselves into thinking that they are now the natural party of government, and thus didn’t have to do anything to win the election other than than say “John Key is unfit for office” 64,567 times a week; and

iii) as a result of ii), they have no Plan B and so are reduced to being pathetic and stupid.
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September 19, 2008 8:47pm
riki

Hmm,

Christine Rankin called the govt Lesbians

Jim Anderton is flouting the EFB

James sleep is getting in the news

Doctor Cullen was called a wanker up north and Ran for his life

Anything, just anything can happen folks,

The next few weeks are going to be unbelievable !!!
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September 19, 2008 9:01pm
riki

Forgot to say,

Warriors could win the grand final

Tickets sold out in 15 mins I hear

Plse don’t anyone tell me the result.
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September 19, 2008 9:04pm
getstaffed

I don’t even like League.

But that game was simply outstanding.
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September 19, 2008 11:21pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Stephen Jennings is THE MAN:
Kiwi billionaire sends a hurry-up message to the people at home

I second Stephen Jennings opinion!!
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September 20, 2008 5:25am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Stephen Jennings advocates:
“reducing the size of government, changing the welfare system, reducing taxes and debating “sacred cows” such as the health system.”

I think there is only one party advocating that, ACT!

It’s what the country needs.
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September 20, 2008 5:34am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Labour’s stuffed:
National’s golden run
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September 20, 2008 5:36am
Nomestradamus

OECD rank 22 kiwi:

Quoting from your link:

A snapshot of the public mood after Helen Clark’s election-date announcement shows it would take a huge swing to Labour for her to win a fourth term.

Today’s Fairfax Media-Nielsen poll, taken mostly in the days after Miss Clark named a November 8 election, puts National on 52 per cent support, 18 points ahead of Labour.

The poll confirms a trend which has had National sitting above 50 per cent since November – and John Key ahead of Miss Clark as preferred prime minister for almost as long. It is a golden run of support that Labour will find difficult to break as the election date looms.

Two words: rogue poll!

Oops, the poll confirms a trend? Make that three words: another rogue poll!

Enjoy your breakfast – I can imagine Philu spitting out his organic cornflakes when he reads that link 🙂
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September 20, 2008 5:45am
Glutaemus Maximus

Let us all take an hour to imagine a Fourth term of Labour Governace.

What would be the likely outcome if by some travesty Helengrad perpetuates?

The fun we had on John ‘Baby Eater’ Key doing despicable things in the distant past.

Imagine another 3 years of oppression, what would we have to endure? Certainly a 5th term in my opinion!

A totalitarian regime to last at least a 1000 tears!
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September 20, 2008 7:13am
philu

“..# OECD rank 22 kiwi (709) Vote: Add rating 2 Subtract rating 0 Says:
September 20th, 2008 at 5:36 am

Labour’s stuffed:
National’s golden run..”

yeah right..!..7 weeks to go..

..and 11% in this poll still undecided..

i think you are having a political premature ejaculation there oecd..

(a problem with more than a few righties..i’ve heard..esp the s.u.v.-driving ones..so i’m told..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 20, 2008 7:33am
expat

Phil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNzZzsvOClc

Fucking A.
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September 20, 2008 8:15am
philu

the funny thing is that he really is an asshole..

..he is one of the few rabid rightie showbiz folk..

..him..jon voight..and..um..

(so the song is autobiographical..)

i’m picking you see it as a hymn/anthem to your rugged rightwing independence..?

..eh..?..

..priceless..!

(and..um..the song hasn’t aged that well..y’know how some don’t..?

phil(whoar.co.nz
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September 20, 2008 8:20pm
expat

The song has aged admirably, unlike your boring diatribe.

HTH’s
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