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August 10, 2008 12:39pm by David Farrar

General Debate 10 August 2008

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Redbaiter

So here we go again- a rerun of last election where the left media beat up the Brethren issue- the Labour party and their media plants beat up some issue of dishonesty and run with it to try and destroy the moral authority of John Key and the Nats. Meanwhile, policies are left aside. (as they must be of course, for the left have none that work or with stand scrutiny, and that’s why they have to rely so much on their media plants to beat up non-stories.)

When for chrissakes are the Nats going to devise a strategy that counters the partisan propaganda of Labour’s lying media allies. How about a campaign to expose these sneaking yellow backed charlatans posing as journalists? They make a joke of democracy. Can’t they all be boxed up and shipped off to Venezuela to work with Chavez? Scum.
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August 10, 2008 1:03pm
Tom B

TVNZ’s online Olympic coverage – fantastic. I know the opening cermemony commentary was really tedious and banal (which Quinn has defended on his blog) but the live streaming channels are great.

Having four channels is such an improvement and it’s nice to be able to see a decent amount of time spent on the less widely followed sports like fencing and weightlifting.

I don’t know what they’ve done but the speed and quality of the feed is amazing. I live in Featherston and broadband on the weekends or weekday nights is really awful – videos have to be opened and left to load before you can watch them – even low quality ones like youtube or local ones like TV3.

But the high quality feed just plays beautifully after a few seconds of buffering. It really feels like the first time broadband has delivered it’s promise – well in Featherston anyway! Thank god I’m on an all you can eat plan otherwise the data cap would be an issue. I think I went through a gig last night.
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August 10, 2008 1:05pm
big bruv

DPF

I know I have already asked this question in another thread but is there any chance you could make Sunday a PhilU free zone?
I am sure that most of us could do with the break.
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August 10, 2008 1:07pm
philu

“..beat up some issue of dishonesty and run with it to try and destroy the moral authority of John Key and the Nats..”

um..!..is that ‘some issue’ you refer to the re-run of ‘hollow men’..?

..that we just found out about..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 10, 2008 1:09pm
big bruv

Red

No no…John (Me Too) Key will be back on Breakfast TV tomorrow pushing the line that “we will not play the dirty game” while the pinko media and dear corrupt leader and her socialist low life mates are free to smear rumour and outright lies.

I despise our media, can you imagine how they would be hammering the Nat’s if the positions were reversed, we have numerous examples of Labour party corruption and sleaze yet the media do and say nothing.
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August 10, 2008 1:10pm
Redbaiter

Right on Bruv, and agree with you on Philu too the bludging fuckwit is all over Kiwiblog like a rash. Just so boring. I mean who the hell wants to read yards of his ignorant narcissistic drivel on every thread?? (While his own blog languishes in obscurity) Maybe Philu will succeed where the rest of the left have failed in their attempts to turn most readers off the place. Certainly working on me.
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August 10, 2008 1:21pm
Redbaiter

“I know the opening cermemony commentary was really tedious and banal”

Who the hell would want to watch those totalitarian dictators and murderers strutting their stuff anyway? Every one of the bastards should be in prison doing life sentences. Red China, that totalitarian hellhole, and the Olympic games, a custom started by the originators of democracy???? What a joke. Should never have happened. …and Bush needs his arse kicked for going there too. Useless confused prick.
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August 10, 2008 1:50pm
PaulL

It’s a hard one. If you believe in freedom, it is hard to practice censorship.

However, we need to remember that Kiwiblog isn’t exactly a market. There is nothing being bought or sold – DPF is providing a hosting service for free. The only cost of commenting to an individual is time, the cost of me commenting is everybody else’s time to read what I wrote. It is classic tragedy of the commons stuff.

So, consider commenting to be like fishing. There should be a quota. And quota should be, to some extent, driven by the quality of your comments. Ideally, when you comment, the system would allow you a minimum of two comments on any thread (just to be kind of fair), plus a number of comments calculated as a percentage of the total comments on a thread, and influenced by your average karma.

I’d like a formula that gives someone with zero karma up to 10% of the total comments on a thread, someone with average karma of negative 10 no comments beyond the minimum (so 0%), and someone with positive 10 up to 50% of the comments on a thread.

Unfortunately that is a lot of coding.

Another way would be to get the karma thing working so that comments with low karma are just suppressed. Problem is that the kiwiblog allocation of karma doesn’t really correlate with the quality of the argument – it often correlates with whether your politics are left or right. Which is kind of funny – from the comments on the threads you’d think we were overrun by lefties, but from the karma voting there must be a hell of a lot of silent right wingers.

Alternatively DPF could just house clean – either ban Phil outright for being a waster, or come up with some new demerit rules. New rules is probably easiest, I’d suggest:
1. Provision for people who consistently sidetrack, repeat the same thing over and over without adding anything, link whore, denigrate the blog owner, or otherwise lower the quality of discussion
2. Demerits awarded to these people whenever they are judged to be wasting bandwidth, dribbling on about crap that they know nothing about such as the world ending or financial meltdowns, or endlessly repeating accusations about a particular party or politician that have no evidence or basis in fact. Judgment of time wasting to be solely at blog owner discretion, but influenced by number of lines of comment as percentage of total thread.
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August 10, 2008 1:51pm
Redbaiter

“Demerits awarded to these people whenever they are judged to be wasting bandwidth, dribbling on about crap that they know nothing about”

Well you should fuck off too then Paul, you’re as a big a damn rambling communist as Philu. Your post above just gives me the creeps with its Chavez style undertones. Utterly repugnant. Go and join the Labour party.
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August 10, 2008 1:55pm
Lee C

I’m posting this one all week on Monkeys with Typewriters.
About the ‘campaign of fear’ tha the Standard is running against the oppostion.

“Which brings me back to the queston about The Standard and its ‘paranoia’. ‘Is it for real’? ….

… The beauty of this construct is that it cannot be empirically proven, any more than ‘witchcraft’could be proven at Salem, ‘Widespread Anti-Catholic Heresy’ could be proven at The Inquisition, ‘Reds under the Bed’ could be proven by McCarthy or ‘the international jewish conspiracy’ could be proven by Hitler. All it requires is a seed of paranoia, threats and coercian and constant repetition of the original presumption until paranoia becomes a ‘proven’ reality. The actual ‘reality’ they hope to achieve, of course is a victory for the Labour-led Government, which, paradoxically would only serve to further fuel the delusion that we have been somehow ‘saved’ from a terrible fate.”

http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/
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August 10, 2008 2:02pm
philu

“..but from the karma voting there must be a hell of a lot of silent right wingers..”

..make that inarticulate ‘silent right wingers’..

..the karma button..(don’t use it myself..)..

..is about all they can ‘manage’..

..(inarticulate rightwingers..the gift/raw material..that just keeps on giving..!)

hello reddy/bb/chuckie/pushmewankyou..etc..etc..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 10, 2008 2:11pm
Chuck Bird

Bruv, it would be good if Key had the balls to take Clark on. Clark has asked Key to apologise for accusing Labour of planting the guy who di d the recording.

Helen has repeatedly accused National of starting the rumour that Clark is a lesbian. Key should ask her to put up the proof or apologise.
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August 10, 2008 2:15pm
philu

“..we have been somehow ’saved’ from a terrible fate.”

wot..?..saved from being hollowed out..

..again..

..by the hollow-men..?

(whew..!..it was a close one there..for a while..

..but it should be ‘sweet’ now tho’..

..now that everyone knows..

we can settle back now.. in the expectation of a lab/grn/mp/prog coalition gummint..

eh..?

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 10, 2008 2:17pm
Southern Raider

Chuck I was having a beer with the boys last week. One friend dismissed it as a wild rumour, until another stated his wife had been a university with Helen and walked in on the act.
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August 10, 2008 2:41pm
philu

raider..

..why don’t you and chucky ‘get a room’..?

..you could have a circle-jerk..

..to your lesbian fantasies..

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 10, 2008 2:46pm
big bruv

“with Helen and walked in on the act”

Yuk!….the thought of Klark and ANYBODY is enough to make me chuck.
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August 10, 2008 2:47pm
Rakaia George

“..inarticulate ‘silent right-wingers’..”

This from a poster with the same attitude to punctuation as my 2-year old has to paint.
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August 10, 2008 2:50pm
Brian (Shadowfoot)

I’d like to see a minimum standard of English grammar imposed on commenters, and perhaps a limit of contributions per post.
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August 10, 2008 2:58pm
philu

“..inarticulate ’silent right-wingers’..”

This from a poster with the same attitude to punctuation as my 2-year old has to paint..”

..i think you are confusing anal-retentive punctuation.. ‘laws’/rules..

..with the use of the english language..

(comment number six..i see..

..been ‘silent’ ’till now..have you..?

..and that was ‘it’..?

..i’d slump back into your usual condition..if i were you..

..you just seem guaranteed/doomed to embarrass yourself..

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 10, 2008 3:07pm
jafapete

Redbaited: “So here we go again- a rerun of last election where the left media beat up the Brethren issue”

Oh, may it be so!

On making kiwiblog a philu-free zone, might I point out that philu has never deigned to comment on jafapete’s weblog. So there is a safe haven when you’re all philu’ed out.
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August 10, 2008 3:20pm
riki

I hope you guys are on your lap tops outside in the sun

I’m in Hamilton and David says he can feel the sun in Wellington as well.

anyway,,

I’m just using this thread to tell you about the brilliant post of the san diego zoo/prison in Davids Wellington zoo thread.
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August 10, 2008 3:24pm
philu

phil has never seen jafapetes’ blog..sorry..!

(i need to get out more..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 10, 2008 3:27pm
jafapete

philu, u do
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August 10, 2008 3:30pm
big bruv

Jafa

“Oh, may it be so!”

Do you really want a “dirty” election campaign Jafa or are you confident that your left wing media palls will only report negative stories about the Nat’s?

Labour would be slaughtered if we went down that road.
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August 10, 2008 3:32pm
Redbaiter

“Oh, may it be so!”

Yeah well of course Jafaboy, as a leftist, the last thing you’d ever want is for an election to be fought on the issues. Getting harder to sell that commie crap everyday, as your mainstream media buddies already know, as more and more people turn away from their poison every day. (and still they will not relent- talk about lemmings).

As for worthless communist scum like Philu, he’s the best advertisement there is for a binding citizens referendum on the question of whether only those who are full time working taxpayers should have the right to vote. Thousands of unprincipled cowardly scum like him all over the country abusing the democratic process to underpin their bludging, and of course highly valued as Labour voters by Klark and her acolytes, the most desperate and deceitful band of thugs and cronyists to ever hold power in this country.
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August 10, 2008 3:36pm
riki

“the most desperate and deceitful band of thugs and cronyists to ever hold power in this country.”

Is it just me or does anyone else get peeved she doesn’t have a NZ flag on her prime ministerial car.

Without a flag, she does not represent the common interest of nz/aotearoa
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August 10, 2008 3:40pm
philu

i am not now..and have never been..a member of the communist party..

(not that there’s anything wrong with that…!..)

..and i vote green..

..but aside from that..

..reddys’ quite funny..!..eh..?

and reddy..donchathink your rightwing/let the market rule !’…doctrines..

..are the ones becoming increasingly hard to ‘sell’..?

..people are looking around at the carnage your beliefs have caused’wrought..

..and asking..do we want/need/..can we ‘afford’..

.. more of that..?.

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 10, 2008 3:43pm
labrator

Philu said:

’silent right wingers’.. … … ..the karma button.. … … ..is about all they can ‘manage’..

Philu’s self-righteousness knows no bounds. In another inane posting he has implied that everyone here must post a comment to meet his level of intellect and if they simply choose to hit the karma button then they are some how incapable. How about they’re all busy trying to be productive and don’t have time to contribute but want to stay informed? Think of the karma to this blog as MMP is to our democracy. It’s enabling the less represented to get their view across and I think their view of Philu’s comments are quite clear!

Good call Rakaia George! We need more from the likes of you and a lot less from the likes of Philu.
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August 10, 2008 3:43pm
Rex Widerstrom

Redbaiter says:

When for chrissakes are the Nats going to devise a strategy that counters the partisan propaganda of Labour’s lying media allies.

Well not so long ago, poliical parties used to issue policies that were detailed enough to warrant being bound into individual booklets. Those who wanted the “short” version got another quite thick tome enunciating the party’s platform. I still have a mouldering collection of them somewhere… each one would have taken several hours to read through.

Even when I was trying to churn out policies on everything under the sun with nothing on which to base them and only two inexperienced researchers to help we managed to come up with six to ten pages of material in each portfolio, researched and justified.

That meant a party leader could easily respond to accusations of “your secret agenda is really…” by referring the wanna-be Woodward to a detailed policy document and saying “Stop peddling your ridiculous overheated conspiracy theories Mr Hosking” (to choose a name entirely at random) “our policy is outlined quite clearly in this document and I give people my word that’s what we’ll do over the next three years or I’ll resign”.

Now they wave a half-assed single A4 sheet of “bullet points” around and try to pretend that they can’t be made to mean anything a politician wants them to.

National’s not alone in this but as a party with more Parliamentary resources than most it has less excuse. Act’s and, dare I say it, the Greens’ policies contain more detail and are better argued. It’s not rocket science.

The more detail you nail down pre-election, the less room the chattering classes have to squeak “secret agenda”. While it doesn’t justify the actions of some sections of the media, it does beg the question as to why National hasn’t moved to shield itself from an obvious line of attack.
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August 10, 2008 3:50pm
Redbaiter

Why would Key allow himself to be questioned by that fucken leftist idiot Hosking?? What damn benefit is there in that? Just dumb dumb dumb.

BTW, if they want to talk secret agendas, why the damn hell don’t they bug a few Labour party meetings and record all the talk about killing off capitalism and the establishment of a one party totalitarian state?? Disgusting partisan hacks posing as objective journalists. Just Goebellian scum..
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August 10, 2008 3:58pm
baxter

The following are excerpts from a letter {in Police News}written by a young constable returning from overseas leave without pay who had to wait before resuming his normal duties. He took up temporary work escorting prisoners to court. His observations follow…….”It is amazing how much the convicts all have in common. Firstly the majority did not commit the crime they were arrested for and if they did it was not their fault. Convicts have style and all wear the latest threads including labels such as “Dickies, Nike, Puma and Addidas’ one even still had the shop’s label attached. They have elderly mothers or special needs children they care for, and those dependents come in especially handy when their bail is being opposed. All thought their court dates were next week which is why they didn’t turn up to court, and they are always just about to start that job or the course.
Religion is also a big part of their lives. Coincidentally around bail time all are equipped with what I came to know as the ‘bail bible.’ The holy spirit lights up their lives faster than a tazer bolt. The air is thick with redemption, remorse, and talk of no longer walking the crooked road.
How-ever once bail is granted and they walk back through the dock door religion is replaced by high fives with fellow convicts and chants of “I cracked it G” and later calls of pig. as they scurry down the stairs to freedom. Yes sadly Jesus disappears faster than a member of the public can lay a complaint with the Independent Police Complaints Authority.(Well maybe not that fast}
Convicts are quite a demanding bunch. After giving them a cup of tea on arrival at court, and another with their lunch you would think that would please most people. Not this bunch here are the top 12 questions complete with answers which are asked at least 50 times a day.
1…………Whattimes court boss?…………….10am
2………..Whats for lunch Boss……………….Sausages and Chips
3………..Any more tea Boss………………….No
4………..Got any cigarettes Boss……………No
5………..Got a lighter Boss……………………No
6………..Is my lawyer here yet Boss………No
7………..I gotta take a shit Boss…………….Thats nice.
8……….Any toilet paper Boss………………..Yes
9……….Is my warrant here yet Boss………No
10………When’s the next bus back to the
rock Boss………………………………Don’t Know
11………Any spare lunches Boss……………No
12……..Are my papers done yet Boss……..No

Finally I would like to pay a tribute to the staff who have to do this job full time in what can only be described as a challenging hostile and often dangerous environment. I would also offer some suggestions for a couple of TUI BIllboards.

“The system is stacked in favour of the victim”

“Its your fifth burglary charge. You are not getting Bail”

“Go give blood the result will come back lower.”
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August 10, 2008 4:04pm
jafapete

Rex,

Funnily enough I was reminiscing about those documents just the other day. Let’s see, that’s right, such a document was called a “manifesto”. But that was before the spin-meisters took over.

Labour used to be very good at producing such documents. Screeds of detail on all sorts of areas. If it has any sense it will produce one this election. It would be a good look. Better than another pledge card you might say.
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August 10, 2008 4:06pm
Redbaiter

BTW, where did I read about them objecting to our host Mr. Farrar being in the same room as them because he’s not bona fide media? What a fucken sick joke. He’s more impartial and objective (too much so if you ask me) than that bunch of complaining crawling Klark sycophants and hypocrites could ever be.

Of course the real reason they wouldn’t want him in there is that it would probably hinder the flow of their usual friendly chit chat, which would no doubt be leftist bullshit hardly distinguishable from the insufferable delusional crap spoken at any Labour party branch meeting.
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August 10, 2008 4:09pm
Rakaia George

Philu, some of us come here to read what David has to say, not to piggyback on him to rant because we don’t get the readership at our own blogs…

Ah, you vote green. All becomes clear. My usual condition is working to turn a dollar, how about you?
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August 10, 2008 4:15pm
PaulL

Rakaia George – PhilU’s normal condition is to be on the DBP. Got to look after his child you see – he’s a sole parent. I believe his child is in school though, but I can appreciate that smoking pot all day will limit employment prospects. And apparently if you get a job it is hard to work out what to do in the school holidays – apparently all those families where both parents work just allow their kids to roam the streets all holidays.
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August 10, 2008 4:18pm
big bruv

And to change the topic entirely….

Will somebody please jump on the first available plane to China, rip into the Kiwi compound at the Olympic village and kidnap that national embarrassment Dave Currie.

From what I can gather the “haka count” is already at 379, when will this idiot realise that the rest of the world just does not get the “haka” and that we have no place performing a rain dance with such boringly monotonous regularity just because some kiwi has come home in 87th place.

Sometimes it is bloody hard work being a Kiwi.
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August 10, 2008 4:19pm
philu

interesting/sensible words on the futilities of the ‘drug war’..

..a ‘recommended-read’..

http://whoar.co.nz/2008/why-the-drug-war-is-a-crime-against-humanityexplained/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 10, 2008 4:27pm
slightlyrighty

How come one political party says one thing in private and another in public and loses support, yet a smaller party says one thing in public and does the complete opposite privately and gains support?
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August 10, 2008 4:43pm
reid

Anyone want to discuss Georgia, as in what’s happening and why?
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August 10, 2008 4:44pm
JSF2008

WILL the useless pricks stop doing the haka (GAG) and actualy try to compete , and can they not call themselfs the sheepbonkers or dog fornicators or black caps or kiddiebonkers IE TRY, NEW ZEALAND womens hockey or the NZ mens under 19 soccer team THINK it is easier to understand , theres some dumby team called the illbionkers OR someshit i think its soccer , DUMBIES when the tv3 reporters say some team from aoteroa(WHAT/WHERE EVER ) i dont give a shit I LIVE IN NEW ZEALAND where do women go wanting a breast screening they have to find a island country called aoteroa BREAST SCREEN,PC CRAP AS NEW ZEALAND DOSANT DO BREAST CHECKS PC GONE FUCKEN MAD ,under clarks govenment NEW ZEALAND DOSNT EXIST (THINK NZ BREAST SCREENING) opps NOT PC, GWW THERE WILL BE NO COMMENT, from the OPC left ps if you hate my english ,who cares
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August 10, 2008 4:46pm
big bruv

Reid

Phul will..

….its all the fault of capitalism and john key….

‘….eh!
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August 10, 2008 4:52pm
reid

Oh well, it could be important, as in very.

On another note, how are we going to go in the soccer tonight: Men’s Football (NZ v Brazil)

I predict 5-0 to us.
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August 10, 2008 4:55pm
JSF2008

REID if the half wit pressident of georgia had not done his nighttime missile launch on the capital of ossetia RUSSIA wouldnt be jumping up and down on his tin pot country, throw a stone at russians and russia will throw a brick BACK. this well speaking halfwit launched a attack on a civillian filled city then quoted gwb as his hero,and expected us to come to this suckers aid BURN BABY as EUROPE, isnt going to save his arse, ps they are burning now .and russia will win , the yanks are lossing in iraq,they cannot open a 15th front
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August 10, 2008 4:56pm
Penelope

Slightlyrighty

Because one is trying to appeal to the mainstream, and therefore needs at least a few thinking voters, and the other isn’t and doesn’t.
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August 10, 2008 5:01pm
reid

So why is it Russia’s fault JSF? Do you know the history?

It’s Georgia that attacked the independent enclave of South Ossetia breaking a negotiated ceasefire and causing thousands of civilian casualties. Russia is defending those citizens.

You could use the same arguments the US used to justify supporting Kosovo and Bosnia to argue against the Georgian attack and to support the Russian intervention.

I’m actually rather more interested in the geopolitical factors, rather than the ins and outs of the local conflict. That’s why I said this could be very important indeed.
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August 10, 2008 5:04pm
paradigm

Labrator says:
“Philu’s self-righteousness knows no bounds. In another inane posting he has implied that everyone here must post a comment to meet his level of intellect and if they simply choose to hit the karma button then they are some how incapable.”

I think Philu’s is a perfect example as to why some people use the karma buttons instead of posting comments…
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August 10, 2008 5:07pm
JSF2008

PS REID its not called the NZ mens soccer team ,they call themselves the sheepbonkers or something, TV should give us a guide on the CRAP nick names , these teams call themselfs, whats the mens beach volley team called ????????black sandballs?????????
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August 10, 2008 5:12pm
JSF2008

REID 5.4pm it isnt russias fault, but we will have to follow the usa line, the pressident of georgia REALLY wants to join nato and i think he thought start a fight and we will save his arse SUCKER, russia will distroy all oil terminals and pipe lines as a punishment as georgia thought they had the usa permission to put the boot in against Assetia,dueing a holiday break
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August 10, 2008 5:21pm
reid

Those interested might want to look at this possibility.

I won’t format as a link since WordPress has a fit.

europebusines.blogspot.com/2008/08/massive-us-naval-armada-heads-for-iran

relevant bit on Georgia is at the bottom
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August 10, 2008 5:39pm
baxter

I have just received an election vote survey from “Consumer Link’ I asked who their client was but they would not say. I answered their questions including voting intentions and Nat’s hidden agenda etc…….Anyone know if this is a legit poll. He did offer at the end for me to go on a Colmar Brunton regular survey by email ( receive payment) if I gave my email address. What the hell I complied…..As I say was it legit.
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August 10, 2008 6:07pm
Fairfacts Media

The poodle is toast in Tauranga, reports tv1 tonight.
48% to 28% lead for Simon Brdiges of National.
The NZ First vote has halved to 6% too.
http://www.nominister.blogspot.com has more.
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August 10, 2008 6:34pm
PaulL

Fairfacts – that is brilliant news. If the media now start reporting regularly that Winnie is toast (like they did to ACT last election), he will be screwed. Lets hope that turn about is fair….
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August 10, 2008 7:13pm
Rex Widerstrom

Redbaiter asks:

Why would Key allow himself to be questioned by that fucken leftist idiot Hosking?? What damn benefit is there in that? Just dumb dumb dumb.

Some of us enjoy it as a bloodsport 😀 But aside from the personal pleasure that comes from dusting the floor with an interviewer who mistakes his opinions not only for fact but as somehow setting the tone for what others will believe, it’s a cheap and easy way to lift your support.

There’s hardly anyone out there who doesn’t grin when some ill-informed jackanape is given a few well-researched swats across his nose with a rolled-up manifesto or research paper and has his nose rubbed in his own ego.

Winston used to be a master at this till he changed from being the guy with the information no one else knew to the guy with the information everyone else wants to know.
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August 10, 2008 8:31pm
Chuck Bird

How many votes do you think I would get if i started a political party with it’s primary policy of getting Phil Ure off the DPB.
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August 10, 2008 9:42pm
Chuck Bird

How many votes do you think I would get if i started a political party with it’s primary policy of getting Phil Ure off the DPB?
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August 10, 2008 9:42pm
grumpyoldhori

Sounds like the idiot who acts the part of president of Georgia thought he had a nod and a wink from dubyas regime.
But, not very smart using Grad rockets on the Russian so called peace
keepers.
Reports are they managed to kill the Russian peace keeper boss.
Now the idiot wants the yanks to fly his troops back from Iraq in yank
C17s.
Now that is clever, troops are a military target, pissed off Russians would not shoot a yank plane down ?
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August 10, 2008 9:49pm
expat

The ruskies want to claim back that Georgian oil aye? Wonder why the yanks are involved, never seen them suck up to oil holding despots. The ruskies will stamp all over this one. The great black hope for the white house has his hands full when he comes in to power …
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August 11, 2008 4:17am
jcuknz

Is not the advert heading this blog rather ridiculous … an oil heater being moved back from some inflamables. In my experience oil heaters are bloody useles at heating. Now if it was an electric or gas fire I would see some point to the advert. Personally I turn my gas heater down to ‘pilot’ when I leave the room for even just a moment. STILL it helps to support this interesting blog .. so why am I commenting 🙂
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August 11, 2008 8:47am
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August 11, 2008 10:47am
RRM

Well I for one was quite blown away with the Olympic opening ceremony and some of the venues we have seen so far . The 2008 drummers and the dancers who painted the giant painting on the floor as they danced were just cool. The Cycling road race course is gorgeous, and (unlike the Greeks 4 years ago) at least the Chinese are able to organise a roof for their swimming pool!

Obviously it’s up to you whether any of this is separable from the fact that they are ruled by communists.

Sure it is all paid for by The Party; but all of the artists and musicians and dancers (and builders) who made this happen are ***people*** too, and the job they have done is just stunning. I think it’s sad that anyone would be so blinkered by their hatred of communism that they can’t appreciate the awesome, awesome show that the Chinese people have put on.

And who knows, maybe having giant construction firms like Arups in town for this project will go a long way towards showing a big slice of the population that a free society and economy might be a good thing to fight for?
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August 11, 2008 12:40pm
JSF2008

gasp SHOCK, benificeries working, YER RIGHT
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August 11, 2008 3:38pm
JSF2008

RRM, on Sunday i watched a BBC panorama program on how your beloved communist chinese are supplying death to Darfur,
love the chinese jets and 2007 chinese heavy trucks with heavy machine guns shooting the survivers of mass rapes using nasty thermal ammunition, but then china owns area 7 oil region part of darfur , hell the racist chinese dont give a shit if the arabs are killing blacks THEY GET CHEAP OIL about 15 % of chinas needs i think DONT WE HAVE A FREE TRADE AGREEMENT WITH THESE DEATH PROVIDERS AND BRINGERS (TIBET) helen clarks BEST GREATIST FRIEND???????. think if hitler was helens best friend with a free trade agreement, dogs and fleas??
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August 11, 2008 3:50pm
RRM

And you could hardly accuse the USA of bringing death and destruction to their oil supply (Iraq) could you?

Oh no, wait…
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August 11, 2008 3:58pm
JSF2008

RRM.Have i ever supported the yanks I DONT THINK SO ,ALL these megashit death bringers might put their crow eyes on us oneday for (WATER) or helen clark/davis ,YER RIGHT helen you are SO safe, NO ONE WANTS YOU 🙂
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August 11, 2008 4:06pm
RRM

Or, perhaps to put it another way:
When you see the Chinese Women’s Beach Volleyball team in action later on at the Olympics, what will you see?

Two more damn communists?
or
Two talented, high-achieving young women?
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