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May 2, 2008 4:50pm by David Farrar

Number 1 selling NZ non-fiction book

Guess which book is now the number one selling NZ non-fiction book?

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Ferdinand

So it sold more than titles including “100 Ways to Use Slow Cookers and Crockpots” and “Year-round Recipes for Crockpots and Slow Cookers”. I guess crackpots beat crockpots this month. 🙂
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May 2, 2008 4:57pm
berend

Heh, brilliant spotting Ferdinand. And the people modding him down: you’re loosers, this was just a very funny comment, regardless of what you think of the book.
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May 2, 2008 5:06pm
Redbaiter

Funny ain’t it, that a book that has so many serious and valid criticisms of the most powerful politician in NZ, and is a best seller, still remains pretty much ignored by the NZ mainstream media. Now why would that be?
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May 2, 2008 5:07pm
radvad

Good to see they acknowledge it is non fiction. That means it is true that David Parker was exonerated by a forged document.
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May 2, 2008 5:09pm
Redbaiter

“this was just a very funny comment”

Think so?

Leftists calling their critics mad?

Yawn….

I thought humour had to have some degree of originality.
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May 2, 2008 5:10pm
Rocket Boy

It also pushed ‘Short Fat Chick to Marathon Runner’ into second spot, tough competition in the non-fiction best sellers list.

Anyone finished with their copy? I’ll read it but I don’t actually want to spend any real money on it. I’m busy saving for a weeks driving holiday in the UK.
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May 2, 2008 5:10pm
Redbaiter

“I’ll read it but I don’t actually want to spend any real money on it.”

Naaah, as usual, you want to use someone else’s money.
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May 2, 2008 5:15pm
JSF2008

hell trend micro pro has deemed this a dangerous site,scary where are the terrorists, hell im a book printer(MACHINIST) :)BOOK PRINTER,i have printed lots of books 🙂
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May 2, 2008 5:16pm
Rocket Boy

Redbaiter – After I’m finished reading it I’ll return it to the original owner and if it’s such a great book it might change my mind and I’ll vote National!
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May 2, 2008 5:18pm
roger nome

Good to see that Wishart continues to get hammered on this thread:

http://poneke.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/wish-2/#comment-2963

At least he looks to have finally given up is “big gay” conspiracy theory.
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May 2, 2008 5:19pm
Redbaiter

“Good to see that Wishart continues to get hammered”

Only a braindead communist fuckwit like you gnome would consider writing something so subjective as if it was an indisputable fact.
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May 2, 2008 5:27pm
ghostwhowalks3

You have confused the fiction list!
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May 2, 2008 5:34pm
coge

Still unavailable in the public library, unlike hollow men was immediately following that release.
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May 2, 2008 5:45pm
Johnboy

“Anyone finished with their copy? I’ll read it but I don’t actually want to spend any real money on it. I’m busy saving for a weeks driving holiday in the UK.”

What you driving there Pocket Toy a few more nails into red Kens coffin?
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May 2, 2008 5:54pm
roger nome

Redblather:

He gets exposed as a liar several times. It’s an out-and-out hammering. Go read it yourself. Or do you still buy the “big gay” conspiracy theory?
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May 2, 2008 6:08pm
Buggerlugs

no woger, but everyone buys the “labour is a pack of rip-off thuggish lying sado-masochistic wankers” theory.
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May 2, 2008 6:36pm
andymoore

Absolute Power is my guess, checking now…
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May 2, 2008 6:57pm
Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left

“Good to see they acknowledge it is non fiction. ”
yeah but so is The Bible
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May 2, 2008 7:10pm
Inventory2

Well done Buggerlugs – great slap-down!
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May 2, 2008 7:25pm
Inventory2

roger nome said “He gets exposed as a liar several times. It’s an out-and-out hammering. Go read it yourself.”

Thanks for the invitation roger nome. I did go read it myself. And after reading it, I think that either you are a liar, or you have a highly inflated opinion about your own importance. I’m in a good mood tonight, so I’ll be charitable and suggest it’s the latter. I actually believe that Wishart has given a pretty good account of himself at Poneke’s place considering all the supposed “attack-dogs” he is taking on single-handed.

Anyway, rather than doing anything that you might consider long-winded or amateurish, let me quote Wishart himself:

“There are many on the blogosphere who have never met me, nor interacted with me, yet presume to know my state of mind or that they have cast iron proof a story I’ve done is wrong. When push comes to shove, most if not all are entirely Mouth, and as I noted earlier hiding behind pseudonyms.

Had Jum read his Investigates properly, he/she would have learned about dioxin poisoning in New Plymouth – a story broken by the magazine but ridiculed by the Government and many in the media at the time.

Jum would have learned about New Zealand’s dubious constitutional position, which the Government steadfastly refused all questions on. The details have now been updated and expanded in Absolute Power in the chapter that deals with absolute power.

Jum would have discovered from internal Air New Zealand sources that the airline was cutting corners on flight safety from an engineering perspective, and he/she would have read this about six weeks BEFORE parts started dropping off Air New Zealand planes. (Air New Zealand and Investigate go back a long way, which is why there’s more to the Press Council ruling than meets the eye).

Jum would have discovered, just a couple of months out from the 2002 election, that National MPs and friendly journalists had been secretly paid to write or comment on matters dear to the heart of the Business Roundtable (So much for the Ian Wishart is “biased” angle).

There have been hundreds of stories, backed up by documented evidence or people prepared to testify to various things. Some of those stories tick people off. Too bad, you can’t please all the people all the time.”
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May 2, 2008 7:39pm
1984

Dymocks had it at No. 6 in their overall sales listing (i.e. across all categories), so I think its selling plenty.
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May 2, 2008 8:20pm
Redbaiter

“He gets exposed as a liar several times.”

No he doesn’t, and who would you be to judge that anyway, a cowardly POS who posts messages all over the internet using someone else’s image as an avatar? What would you know about honesty? You’re light years away from ever understanding the concept.

I admire Mr Wishart for his restraint and his reasonableness and his patience. He has more integrity (and courage) in his little finger than those desperate hate driven attack hyenas of the left who are baying and snarling and slavering on that thread. What a repugnant bunch of creeps.
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May 2, 2008 8:25pm
capills_enema

“so I think its selling plenty.”

Yeah, i just seen this bloke reading it at the bus stop. His lips were moving, mind.
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May 2, 2008 8:32pm
Steve

andymoore,
Shut up FFS.
There is an elephant in the room but most of these liabour trolls don’t know.
Let them wallow in their shit for a while.
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May 2, 2008 8:35pm
capills_enema

“a cowardly POS who posts messages all over the internet using someone else’s image as an avatar?”

Hehehe… Oh yeah, i’d forgotten about that, Mr Baiter… oh dear oh dear oh dear… Have you kissed and made up with Whaleoil about that yet?
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May 2, 2008 8:35pm
Fletch

I think it’s very interesting that one of the subjects discussed on Poneke’s blog (and indeed in Ian’s book) who has also contributed to the thread still hasn’t made made clear her position then or now about women’s rights and/or feminist issues.

I would have liked to have known what she thought about it then and what does she think about it now and, more importantly, why does she seem to be ducking the issue?

She seems determined to want to disassociate herself from that 70’s feminist group and seems to be using an attack on Ian and his allegations of what did-or-did-not-happen to distract from the real questions.

Why not, now that she has an open forum (so to speak) to clear up matters is it still so unclear?
eg, ‘I said this then, and I think this now’ etc

I think that is quite telling in itself.

Again, it’s using Helen’s ‘attack is the best defence’ strategy; Play the injured party then attack the person who is saying what you don’t like to change the subject and leave the original question up in the air. It’s so obvious.

Spin, spin, spin….
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May 2, 2008 9:16pm
Razork

My god, that is a sorry top 10!

Is that really the best NZ non fiction authors/publishers can produce?

Being #1 on that list is as about as exciting as kissing your sister.
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May 2, 2008 10:19pm
polemic

IS ABSOLUTE POWER A WORK OF FICTION OR NOT,
I thought this was a good idea someone did earlier.

KARMA POLL

PLEASE GIVE ME GREEN (POSITIVE) KARMA IF YOU THINK ABSOLUTE POWER IS TRUE AND ACCURATE.

PLEASE GIVE ME RED (NEGATIVE) KARMA IF YOU THINK THE BOOK IS FALSE.
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May 2, 2008 10:22pm
scrubone

I think Ian is indeed showing the patience of a saint.

After explaining in some depth that he doesn’t care if the PM is gay, just if she lies about it when pushing a pro-gay agenda he is spending all his time repeating over and over what he said in the book explaining his position.

Just for that alone, the man is a saint.

Meanwhile, some very serious accusations are ignored by the left. This would be the same left that got in all sorts of knots after a book was published with private emails about the opposition and still needed extensive and unsupported “interpretation” to make them look bad.
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May 2, 2008 10:54pm
capills_enema

Polemic: So far your poll is at +8. I think that settles it… Everything in the book is bang on. Let’s hear no more about it then.
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May 2, 2008 11:26pm
Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left

“KARMA POLL

PLEASE GIVE ME GREEN (POSITIVE) KARMA IF YOU THINK ABSOLUTE POWER IS TRUE AND ACCURATE.

PLEASE GIVE ME RED (NEGATIVE) KARMA IF YOU THINK THE BOOK IS FALSE.”

Wow, what a fair random sample that will be
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May 2, 2008 11:31pm
capills_enema

I hope I don’t detect any sarcasm in that remark, SSSL… If the Kiwiblog boys reckon the book’s a winner then that’s good enough for me. Don’t agree, and you’re just being a socialist about it.
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May 2, 2008 11:48pm
Johnboy

Anyone would be sarcastic if it took them so long to realise that if they had changed hands much earlier in life they could be slightly to the right by now!
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May 2, 2008 11:58pm
adam2314

Speaking from experience I presume Johnboy :-))
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May 3, 2008 12:34am
Johnboy

Having changed hands every 99 strokes until the desired result occured I can state with as much honesty as a Tory can muster. I am possibly the most well balanced wanker I know of adam.
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May 3, 2008 12:51am
Bogusnews

Roger Roger Roger.

So Ian has been well and truly done in on Ponekes blog has he? Not everyone agrees with you. For example this comment:

” Fletch April 30, 2008 at 1:41 pm

Sorry, Kay, but I think you’ve been well and truly fisked by Ian. Your name is on the paper/pamphlet as endorsing it. Are you now you say someone else wrote it? I don’t recall seeing in any of your responses (maybe I missed it), “no, I definitely didn’t write that” or “no I didn’t agree with that then”. Did you?

You obviously agreed enough to delivery a submission before the select committee, so why are you trying to back out now? Have you changed your opinion on these things? ”

I note too Poneke is calling for an end to the thread as Kay is being so heavily hammered. Kay and her sympathisers have been desperately trying to say Ian is wrong, but now have fallen on the old “but how can you criticise someone for something they did 30 years ago Ian.”

Amazing the different way people see things.
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May 3, 2008 8:09am
daveski

Just had a quick scan of the highlights package and I’d say that Wishart got flogged as badly as the French did in THAT RWC quarter final in Cardiff
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May 3, 2008 10:18am
PhilBest

Great thread guys. Roger nome continues to get hammered !

The media treatment of Ian’s book is remniscent of that of Mark Steyn’s last one……Time for the NZ public to rise up and demand better of their media, I think…….
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May 3, 2008 11:11am
larryq

I trust Wishart’s book about as much as I trust Hagar’s work. Both suffer from basing their work on strongly held, well stronger than that – viscerally held, preconceived views. They both have to be read with a very sceptical eye. The publicity around the book may well increase Clark’s popularity. Being harshly judged by Wishart is a badge on honour for a politician. I hope National stay well away from Wishart because he’s an unreliable historian and ally. He’s also quite strange.
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May 3, 2008 1:32pm
Inventory2

Phil – I think the New Zealand media is probably peeved that Wishart has suceeded in breaking stories that they didn’t – maybe they need to get the message that there’s no substitue for hard work.
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May 3, 2008 1:36pm
freethinker

Larryq

Whilst Hagar relied on anonymously stolen e-mails Wishart documents his allegations so in the absence of him having his arse sued off by those he accuses I guess the court of public opinion will bring in a guilty verdict.
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May 3, 2008 1:55pm
larryq

freethinker

Hagar & Wishart are very similiar characters – tenacious, obsessive, thorough, thick skinned, not motivated by money and ideological. The last point colours their work to the extent that it is at best unreliable and at worst complete tosh, in spite of being based on reliable information (even if it was flogged or more likely leaked). I will read Wishart’s book, as I have with Hagar’s work, because I think it’s important to test your opinions by reading people you disagree with.
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May 3, 2008 2:27pm
Bogusnews

larryq

You are quite incorrect. Hager relied on some stolen emails, and he fabricated many of the ones in the book. Check out Michael Bassets column where he mentions there is a whole page of emails Hager attributes to him that he never wrote. Also, we have no way of know where he got his information from, and how much of it is legitimate. He claims there are from National party insiders, but strangely, gives no quotes from them.

Wisharts book is from completely verifiable sources including the companies office, results from official information requests, and actual speeches from the PM and others.

To compare the two shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the validity of their information sources.
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May 3, 2008 3:25pm
calendar girl

larryq: You made that comment on Wishart’s book (1:32pm) without even reading the book? And you’ve already decided in advance (2.27pm) that you disagree with Wishart?

After such revelations there is rich irony in your describing Wishart as “ideological”!
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May 3, 2008 6:23pm
Letterman

“He comes in, he bowls………OH, BESTSELLER! She didn’t even see it coming, went to ignore, tried to chasitise, called for lemming reinforcements, but no, straight through, no question, THATS’s OUT BY ELECTION TIME! (That’s stuffed her Ritchie!).
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May 3, 2008 9:21pm
JSF2008

who printed the book,was it here or in china. im interesed, could some one help me.
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May 4, 2008 8:32am
Tauhei Notts

This book is being studiously ignored by the daily papers.
Last time I recall them studiously ignoring a best selling book was when Bob Jones published one of his hilarious piss takes on modern journalism. I forget the name of the book but it had me wetting myself with laughter.
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May 4, 2008 8:52am
Patrick Starr

“Popular Potatoes: 100 Easy and Delicious Recipes”, at number 6 and still climbing. If Labour get another term this will take the number 1 spot
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May 4, 2008 9:06am
Murray

So Ians a liar is he wodga?

And hes published these “lies”. Well that would be defamation wouldn’t it. Hullens never been shy about lawyering up before yet Ian has never been successfully sued. Why is that?

Could be your employer doesn’t really want a court to throw light under the rock and on to all the slippery slimey creatures that dwell there otherwise known as the labour party.

I wouldn’t worry about the media ignoring it, the bookshops are in it to make money and they’re all making it their window display. People stopped giving a crap what the media was telling them to think several stops back.
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May 4, 2008 1:19pm
larryq

Even though I haven’t read the book yet, I’m confident that he hasn’t changed his spots. His choice of topic suggests that he is as obsessive as ever.

What I can’t work out is why so many posters regard Wishart’s work as objective when clearly he hates Clark and all she stands for? His strongly held views on this topic, and most other topics he tackles, colours what he writes. It couldn’t be more obvious, and I’m a National Party supporter.
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May 4, 2008 9:49pm
Redbaiter

“What I can’t work out is why so many posters regard Wishart’s work as objective”

Name one.
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May 4, 2008 9:59pm
getstaffed

Yet again folks confuse Wishart’s motivations with the integrity of material presented in his book. Either what he is saying is full of fabrications and hopelessly devoid of facts and it should be discarded (and the book moved over to the fiction best seller list) ..OR.. what’s been researched and written should be taken seriously. I’ve not read the book yet, but do plan to soon. I’ll make my own judgement based on the content, rather than any preconceived opinion of the author’s motivations.
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