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philu

makes you proud to be a ‘natty’..eh..?

..that ‘blue-chip bob’..(formerly known as ‘bob the builder’..)

the man’s a giant..!

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April 11, 2008 7:30am
John Dalley

Bob the Builder. Will he soon be declaring his offer to build a new sports complex in the Bay of Plenty.
Must count as one of the biggest ewlection bribes ever.
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April 11, 2008 7:39am
Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left

Nothing to do with being a ‘natty’
the man is offensive in the fact that it was a pointless comment
he is right though
My family was hard up when I was a kid and not once did my parents leave the power bill unpaid
and none of us needed power for a machine to help us breathe

stupid thing for a politician to say though in election year
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April 11, 2008 7:52am
dad4justice

Who are the fuckwits that pay MP’s to carry on like headless chickens in nice clothes in a beehive?
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April 11, 2008 7:55am
capills_enema

He’s showing promise, this Clarkson bloke. Could be the next Graeme Lee, or possibly Pat Hunt, if you’re into the retro thing.
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April 11, 2008 7:57am
Pascal

d4j: Who are the fuckwits that pay MP’s to carry on like headless chickens in nice clothes in a beehive?

You. Me. And most other Kiwis.
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April 11, 2008 7:58am
dad4justice

Thanks Pascal , now I understand why so many are leaving for another country.
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April 11, 2008 8:00am
Grant Michael McKenna

Bob Clarkson is a self made man and proud of it. Unfortunately, his pride in his maker renders him somewhat unsuited for service in parliament except as a soundbite generator; unfortunate because his knowledge of practical issues in housing and construction could be an asset to the country.
Shouting out comments that will be controversial is stupid, especially as it means that no context can be given to them, and that they will be interpreted negatively. Just look at the reactions to Horomia’s dieting quip- the Māori party will have Ikaroa-Rāwhiti in the bag soon.
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April 11, 2008 8:02am
pushmepullu

I’m sorry but he is right. They should have paid the bill.

So maybe he was loud and impolite, but if we start suppressing people speaking the truth because they are not being polite, we are veering into the territory of political correctness, not to say censorship.

It saddens me that the National Party who stand for freedom against political correctness seem to be indulging it against one of their best performing MPs. Hopefully John Key did not know about this at the time and when he found out had words with those involved. Clarkson will be an able performer in the next cabinet, where his knowledge on housing issues will be of immense help confronting one of the biggest issues for ordinary kiwi battlers. It’s about time the housing area had the input of somebody who can come at it from a developer’s perspective
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April 11, 2008 8:10am
goodgod

Why am I allowed to edit D4J comments? How did i win this prize? And can he edit mine?

But back on topic…

Apart from the pointlessness of the comment, when was it decided that Mercury energy murdered Mrs. Muliaga by turning off her power? Should the family have paid the bill? Yes they should. Could they have? Yes they could have. Should Clarkson have even brought it up? No, why bother.

I swear, all this rewriting of history via consensus, science via consensus etc etc is getting scarey.
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April 11, 2008 8:14am
Dave Mann

Actually, Bob Clarkson was absolutely correct and his own party is absolutely incorrect, gutless and wrong.

Any party which seeks to encourage or permit a person not to pay their bills, and instead supports legislating to stop the creditor from having the right to withdraw their business from non-payers doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously. They are, like their fellow socialists, the Liarborites, an utter joke.

What are we teaching our children, who see every call for personal responsibility shouted down and ridiculed by every party in our Parliament? Why on earth should an individual have the right to goods and services when they simply refuse to pay for them? Are we about to now force Foodtown to feed, and worse apologise, to shoplifters?

Its a bad enough mess that lazy, stupid, dishonest or disorganised people are automatically given our money by this corrupt system at all – but for the politicians to now propose to short-circuit their own overblown welfare system and legislate directly against a person’s responsibility for their own debt is, frankly, an insult beyond the pale.

This stupid immoral National Party will not be getting my vote, thats for bloody sure.
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April 11, 2008 8:16am
Craig Ranapia

Meh… Clarkson was a tosser, But was I the only person who thought Mark Burton’s outrage was more pro forma than real? I’d suggest he’d still be in Cabinet if he was half as good at doing his job (including giving coherent answers to straight questions) as he was at screeching inane interjections across the Chamber.

And with all due respect to Dave Mann, WTF kind of example is being set to children visiting Parliament when they see alleged adults behaving in ways that would land them a time out in any civilized home or classroom? If Clarkson felt that strongly about the bill under debate, he should have taken a call — under which circumstances, I’d have expected him to be treated with the same courtesy he failed to show Mrs Laban.

Or is plain common courtesy and acting your age not your shoe size now ‘socialism’ and ‘political correctness gone mad’?
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April 11, 2008 8:22am
Inventory2

Agreed about Burton Craig – sacked from Cabinet for stuffing up the EFA, and likely to be sacked by the voters of the enlarged Taupo electorate to boot. He would be a worthy candidate for the Monty Python “Upper-Class Twit of the Year” award. A case of “faux outrage” methinks.
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April 11, 2008 8:32am
Yvette

“Apart from the pointlessness of the comment, when was it decided that Mercury energy murdered Mrs. Muliaga by turning off her power?”

As soon as it was decided that the phone, also disconnected, was not needed in case any thing disrupted the power [car smashing into a power pole, Act of Al Gore, or even a power company worker just doing his job]

Clarkson is a fool to not recognise a sensitive moment, especially after Helen had paid the issue so much personal attention, and the family spokeperson became so much more involved in politics. Interesting though that Clarkson beat Peters, that must really upset Winston, but a shame that he has just adds stupidity to National’s current image of weakness.
As DPF says “Sigh . . . “
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April 11, 2008 8:40am
jafapete

“I’m sorry but he is right. They should have paid the bill.” “Actually, Bob Clarkson was absolutely correct…” Etc, ad nauseum.

Wrong, again. The circumstances are a lot more complicated that some of you seem to realise, despite being well reported in the not-too-distant past. There is a reasonably good summary on: http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/423466/1197334

Read that, and feel shame.
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April 11, 2008 8:43am
Craig Ranapia

And if Burton had half a wit, he could have pointed out to Clarkson that any MP who has problems paying their power bill needs some serious budgeting advice. I suspect Winnie Laban has a significantly more healthy bank balance that many of her constituents. 🙂
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April 11, 2008 8:47am
Bevan

makes you proud to be a ‘natty’..eh..?

..that ‘blue-chip bob’..(formerly known as ‘bob the builder’..)

the man’s a giant..!

About as proud as Labourite’s when they think of Parekura “Kids don’t eat cause their on a diet” Horomia…

Now that man is a giant!
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April 11, 2008 8:48am
philu

pushmewanku is quite the comedian..eh..?

“..Clarkson will be an able performer in the next cabinet, where his knowledge on housing issues will be of immense help confronting one of the biggest issues for ordinary kiwi battlers.

It’s about time the housing area had the input of somebody who can come at it from a developer’s perspective..”

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 11, 2008 8:48am
sean14

Are the results of the inquiry out yet? Does anyone have a link?
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April 11, 2008 9:00am
LabourMustBeLiquidated

Hmm, but they still should have paid their power bill, they probably spent all the money on KFC 😉

[DPF: That’s pretty offensive, even with the smiley. While I think the Govt (helped by their new Botany candidate) over-hyped the situation (whose full details are still not known), what info has come out shows that the power company was not without fault in that there were attempts made to do partial payments]
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April 11, 2008 9:00am
dime

hahaha jesus! what a thing to say!

its true, no one else will say it because the family werent white and it would be called racist.

we also know that the guy that cut the power would have been destroyed in the media if he was white.

not sure why he should be rehashing this though. its mean spirited and im sure a family thats trying to rebuild their life doesnt need to hear such shit.

basically he fucked up. (now theres something youd never hear a leftist say about one of their own!)
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April 11, 2008 9:04am
Redbaiter

The almost universal condemnation of Bob Clarkson by a large number of NZers (and his own damn party) is a measure of how far up shit creek this country is- governed and socially conditioned by the lunatic left as manifested on this blog by Jafaboy, PhilU John Dalley and the rest.

Bob Clarkson is damn right. Attitudes of personal accountability need to be encouraged not condemned.

Nothing will change in this country while social mores continue to be fashioned by the left and their simpering media acolytes. We’ll just continue on our lemming like plunge into the abyss. For fuck’s sake. Put this pathetic PC obsession with offense aside and see some real sense. Common sense. I know such an event is almost impossible for a leftist to contemplate, but for fuck’s sake, there’s others who should know better. The National Party hierarchy for some.

Good on you Bob, the only mistake you made was in apologising.
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April 11, 2008 9:29am
Redbaiter

“despite being well reported”

Followed by a link to TVNZ. For fuck’s sake get a life. That bunch of numb nutted left wing lemmings at TVNZ couldn’t report on a good shit. Get real for once Jafaboy, your infatuation with the output of your leftie media suckholes is utterly nauseating.

People- the power cut had nothing to do with the death of this woman. Its a left wing media beat up.
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April 11, 2008 9:30am
Grant

Too right Dime.
For my part, Bob – if you’re listening, that was not your finest moment. Your interjection may have been true, but it was unnecessary, and as such, should have stayed behind your teeth. Focus on November man.

Take note lefties how many of us on the right can, and will, criticise right wing MPs when we feel they’ve earnt our wrath. Notice, if you will, that even John Key is coming in for a bit of a kicking over his “let’s not frighten the horses” approach. Free speech I believe it’s called.
On the other hand I don’t see very many, if any, occasions where our bunch of lefty trolls can bring themselves to say anything untoward or critical of Helen Clark, her MPs, and all their fellow travellers. Now thats whats called sycophancy, and stupidity.
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April 11, 2008 9:32am
pushmepullu

Philu, this is just a note to say that I will be ignoring your comments until you cease to personally abuse myself and others who hold differing opinions from you.

If you want to discuss the issues I am more than happy to do so but until then I will not validate you with a response.

DPF may feel that personal abuse by leftists is permitted, it is his blog and his prerogative. But it is my prerogative to choose who I respond to and who I don’t. Leftists who want to argue the point, even if they do so without many facts to back them up, will get a response from me (all other things being equal). Leftists who use purile playground insults won’t.
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April 11, 2008 9:32am
dad4justice

redbaiter the “PC obsession ” is how endless meaningless socialist woffle can create a wobbly lefty platform for parliamentary fools to excel.

Smack them all into the offal pit and start again.
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April 11, 2008 9:33am
capills_enema

“Good on you Bob, the only mistake you made was in apologising”… for which you are a simpering PC trotskyite lefty nancy-boy socialist-overlord, erm, socialist.
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April 11, 2008 9:37am
Buggerlugs

Clarkson was offensive, but just as offensive was Winnie Laban using her speaking time to go on about what “this Labour-led Government” has done for families like the Muliagas. It was sick-making. Unfortunately the Hansard isn’t up yet, but it was a poor taste example of blatant electioneering.
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April 11, 2008 9:37am
Redbaiter

Clarkson’s words will resonate with a large sector of the Tauranga population, and that’s what is important.
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April 11, 2008 10:49am
Andrea

Wow 🙁
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April 11, 2008 11:44am
BlairM

Bob Clarkson just became my new hero. Good on him. They should have paid the bill, and they could have waddled down to the WINZ office to get a grant for it. It’s everyone else that is being dishonest about it, which is what is really offensive.
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April 11, 2008 12:33pm
philu

instead of pushmewankyou..

how aboout ‘pushmegentlymassageyourmember’..?

will that be ok..?

and hey..!..you chose the moniker..!..not me..!

darling..!

and..um..!..a tad ‘precious’..?..are we darling..?

and i see the rwsohbp is firmly in place..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

or..would you prefer the more simple/elegant(?)…’tosser’..?

(aah..!..blair m..!

..we call him ‘young gimlet’..

(something to do with his eyes..as i understand it.).

known far and wide as being one who is full of the milk of human kindness..

eh..?

..an inspiration to all who meet him..

and that he has ‘blue-chip’-bob as his ‘new hero’..kinda ‘fits’..eh..?
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April 11, 2008 12:38pm
jafapete

philu, He’s ignoring your comments, so don’t expect a reply any time soon.

pushmewhatever’s indignation would carry a little more weight were it not drowning in a cesspool of hate-filled abuse hurled at lefties by his mates in the kiwiblog right, to which one quickly becomes inured, BTW.
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April 11, 2008 12:52pm
dad4justice

Sigh -jaffapety and philu share the same bong. Take no notice of the foolish cowards.
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April 11, 2008 12:55pm
Redbaiter

“hate filled abuse”‘

Hahhahah.. gawd you commies are so pathetic.. always the same old same old.. there’s no ‘hate’ in the above comment by Pushmepullyou you dipshit.. contempt maybe, but hate? FFS..!!! All that means these days is the expression of an opinion that does not comply with strait jacketed leftist attempts at thought control.
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April 11, 2008 12:57pm
philu

stand well back everyone..!

the !!! rate is going through the roof..

i..i..think he’s gonna blow..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 11, 2008 1:00pm
dad4justice

The only one around here that is blowing hot air is you philu, as your bong is red hot and melting your brain.
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April 11, 2008 1:03pm
philu

how many lambs did you butcher today..?

d4j..?

was it difficult to wash all the blood off your hands..?

and what do you do about the smell of death/fear..?

that dosen’t ‘go’..?..does it..?

no matter how much scrubbing..

that lingers..

do you use alcohol to dull that..?

many ‘brutes’ do..

and has this ‘violence against other living creatures’ spilled over into other areas of your life at all..?

a ‘hair-trigger’ for ‘the bash’..?

‘loving’ smacks for the children..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 11, 2008 1:15pm
dad4justice

Now that you have lengthened your post and finished editing your moronic ramblings I can post a link that might interest you in your drug induced coma phliu;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7OwHSlnqik
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April 11, 2008 1:32pm
philu

what..?..slaughterhouse-porn..?

no thanks..

phil(whoar.co.nz0
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April 11, 2008 2:01pm
gd

And see the report from the elecos in bhe NBR that the incidence of non payers has shot thru the roof in the past 6 months.

Of course the handwringing Lefties will say its the economic situation Whose be in charge of the economy over the past 6months and the past 9 years.

Of course all Socilaist supporters believe the RIGHT should pay their bills for them All the rich pricks Like those who own 5 houses
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April 11, 2008 2:15pm
jafapete

Dime: “now theres something youd never hear a leftist say about one of their own!”

On Cullen’s use of David Irving to illustrate a point about the ability of sovereign governments to exclude people from their borders, I did note that, “Look, I think Cullen’s an arrogant prick at times, but I’m prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt on that.” Does that qualify as criticism? Had Cullen actually been comparing Irving to the NZ Chinese journalist, as he was accused of doing on this blog, then I would have been amongst the first to say “fucked up”, but it wasn’t clear. In Clarkson’s case, it is abundantly clear what he meant.

And good on DPF for having the integrity to post on this.
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April 11, 2008 3:25pm
Rex Widerstrom

Good grief, while Clarkson had a point it is the way he raised it that marks him as a buffoon. As much of a buffoon as Horomia and his breakfast comments. There are plenty of ways (including simply making a speech in response highlighting personal responsibility) by which Clarkson could have made his point.

Why can’t some people – notably Redbaiter – separate the message (which is correct) from the messenger (who’s a shallow loudmouth attention-seeker with nothing whatsoever to contribute to governing the country)?!

If Horomia happens to stumble upon a truth tomorrow and expresses it, that makes him no less of an idiot. The same applies to Clarkson today.
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April 11, 2008 5:11pm
Redbaiter

“If Horomia happens to stumble upon a truth tomorrow and expresses it, that makes him no less of an idiot. The same applies to Clarkson today.”

Rex, talking of buffoons, by comparing Clarkson to Horomia, what does that make you look like?? Clarkson has achieved real things in this country. Horomia is just another racist self promoting socialist politician who’s probably never had a real job in his life. Clarkson’s only ‘problem’ is his disdain for PC. Its a problem I’m happy to confess I share.
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April 11, 2008 6:36pm
capills_enema

But unfortunately, by apologising, Clarkson has revealed himself to be just another fully paid-up member of the global fag socialist conspiracy.
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April 11, 2008 6:53pm
philu

capills-enema..

have you met redbaiter..?

you do seem to have a lot in common..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 11, 2008 6:57pm
capills_enema

Phil: Redbaiter’s frothing & freewheeling diatribes only serve to discredit the very arguments he purports to support; therefore, either consciously or unconsciously, he is just another tool propping up our Marxist Islamist dykocracy.

I, on the other hand, am the real deal.
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April 11, 2008 7:48pm
philu

over to you..!..ratbiter..!

did you hear that enema said you were ‘..just another tool propping up our Marxist Islamist dykocracy..”

whoar..!..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 11, 2008 8:29pm
Rex Widerstrom

Redbaiter asks:

Rex, talking of buffoons, by comparing Clarkson to Horomia, what does that make you look like?? Clarkson has achieved real things in this country.

Excuse me, but how does knocking up a few buildings or bridges (or any other achievement you care to name) excuse someone behaving like National’s answer to Jill Pettis?

But the real problem with Clarkson acting like an overexcitable schoolboy on the last day of term is that it permits the point he’s making – personal responsibility – to be dismissed as idiotic simply because it was made by someone behaving idiotically.

Clarkson is ineffective simply because he behaves in a way which allows the debate to become about him, not the issues he’s trying to raise. It’s as simple as that.
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