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February 28, 2008 1:57pm by David Farrar

Why you should never take the cartoonists on

Because they always get the last word!

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Humour
NZ Politics
cartoons
Helen Clark
NZ Herald
paranoia
Rod Emmerson

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The Double Standard

Heh.

Teh Standard boys will be hitting the roof!
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February 28, 2008 2:10pm
Frank.

One Carton is worth 10 pages of advertising. It presents the truth in an appealing and humorous way.

I have often wondered how the Electoral Commission regards them. Look at all the last election’s brilliant cartoons lampooning all the bribes offered by Labour that were ignored by the EC when the rest of NZ recognised these bribes?

How does the EC treat future cartoon?
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February 28, 2008 2:19pm
Inventory2

They’ll probably treat this one as a Labour electoral advertisement given the guys behind Dear Leader with “Labour” on their briefcase!!!

What I want to know is – whatever happened to Teflon Helen? This year of “relentless positivity” has gone pear-shaped!
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February 28, 2008 2:27pm
mike12

Poor old Helen, just think if she wasn’t so greedy she could have been putting her feet up at the UN by now…
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February 28, 2008 2:38pm
Bevan

Its her own arrogance that is causing her undoing. She cannot see that she has no more right to tell someone what to do than the next person. What she should have done is shit the fuck up, not put her dukes up for a round with quite arguable the sharpest and deadliest of wit in journalism – the cartoonist. Her statement yesterday was like a big invite to lampoon and ridicule her.
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February 28, 2008 3:04pm
dad4justice

“We’re Doomed” – didn’t the Captain of the Titanic say that.
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February 28, 2008 3:05pm
Lindsay Addie

Wow, what a classic cartoon that is by Emmerson.
The final score: Emmerson/NZ Herald 2 (one of those was an own goal by Helen!) – Helen Clark/Labour 0

😀
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February 28, 2008 3:10pm
TJCO

“Baseless allegations!!! Got in before you Tane 😉
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February 28, 2008 3:35pm
bobux

“Never pick a fight with anyone who buys ink by the barrel”, or so Mark Twain is supposed to have said.

His point still stands – people who pick a fight with the press rarely come out of it looking good. The fact that they are attacking the very people they need to sell their ‘relentlessly positive’ message shows just how rattled the government is.
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February 28, 2008 3:43pm
gd

Now what was that comment some time back about “one being a competent and hardworking Prime Minister”

The minute she started referring to herself as ‘one” then it was the beginning of the end The first stage of the ten stages of madness.

She is now about to exit stage six and enter stage seven. The progress from one stage to the next accelerates up the scale.

She should reach stage ten about August September
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February 28, 2008 3:51pm
TJCO

Think that comment was about the same time as she referred to Phil Field simply being a guy who “Showed concern for peope” lol…
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February 28, 2008 3:55pm
virtualmark

Yep, the reason Labour’s going to lose the election this year is because of that nasty Gordon Minhinnick who’s had it in for Labour, oh, for at least the last 15 years that he’s been dead
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February 28, 2008 3:57pm
Ghostwhowalksnz

Helens press conferences get dozens of questions.

Exactly the sort of press conferences Bolger and Shipley refused to hold ( all comers welcome)

Funny how one comment about Minhinnic ( who got a knighthood from the tories) suddenly appears on the front page under a red headline of democracy under threat
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February 28, 2008 4:05pm
Bok

Oh dear. GWW. Oh Dear.
This from a supporter of the most morally bankrupt and corrupt administration ever to have a go at destroying New Zealand.
How could you even keep a straight face while suggesting out of the blue that the right repaid a cartoonist, when your lot repaid money with honor. Are you really that pathetic? Wow!
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February 28, 2008 4:12pm
peterwn

I never heard anyone criticise the late Gordon Minhinnick for his Herald cartoons (and I saw most of them over several years. So goodness knows why Helen has opened up on him now, instead of many years ago (she would probably have had no credibility then, everyone would have laughed, she would have copped it from Minhinnick and everyone would have laughed again).
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February 28, 2008 5:02pm
Murray

I believe its described as licking the blood of the tank tracks Bok.

Its not a pretty image but it does rather seem to fit the… “mentality”.
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February 28, 2008 5:07pm
monsta

“We’re Doomed” – didn’t the Captain of the Titanic say that.

No… C3PO 😀
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February 28, 2008 5:40pm
Ghostwhowalksnz

Look what happened to a Herald cartoonist recently who offended his masters, and of course Granny ran the Mohammed cartoons ( yeah right)
Minhinnick was too the right of Garth George ( would he get a gong from the Tories very very likely)

The herald has had it in for labour since they got the masthead lease back deal ( which screwed the taxpayers) canned by Cullen
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February 28, 2008 5:41pm
Ghostwhowalksnz

Morally bankrupt!!
Thats a laugh, ask those who have been financially bankrupted by that arm of the NP, Blue Chip

I guess we wont be hearing much from Blue Chip board member Lockwood Smith.
Just as well the other former national cabinet members got out before the Serious Fraud office turned up.

John key was lucky like that too.
Thank god he could remember all( for once in his life) to tell the cops all about his ex work mates during his police interview

[DPF: And that is 35 demerits for false and defamatory comments]
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February 28, 2008 5:48pm
Lee C

monsta ‘We’re doomed’ was originally Frazer in Dad’s Army.
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February 28, 2008 7:02pm
Ross Miller

GWWNZ … smear, smear, smear … you are totally and completely morally bankrupt. A fetish for schoolboy french, place dropper to boot “when I was last in Monarco” and proven liar. You sicken me. There are good people in the Labour Party (albeit a diminishing number) but to have you as their standard bearer must test their commitment and patience.

Pray tell, where on page 47 of the Return of Members Interests for 2007 is LS listed as a director of Blue Chip or are you saying LS lied to Parliament?

Back in the gutter you pathetic creature. Hold on perhaps you are the ‘guy’ who screwed the goat, yes, that would explain it.
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February 28, 2008 7:32pm
Ghostwhowalksnz

Sorted out your number plates yet Ross, thats numero de plaque for residents of monaco.
But never been there myself.

The Blue Chip Board, Wyatt Creech and Luxton seem to have gotten out before the fraud squad arrived ( where have we heard that arrive)
Lockwood Smith and Blue Chip, you are right not a board member, but maybe he was the one to hit on them for a juicy donation. for his face time.
As you know denials of who funded your party just mean you are hiding something

But the photos of LS with the crooks at Blue Chip are much much better than being on the board.

This is miles off topic, but thanks for the chance to correct my error
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February 28, 2008 7:50pm
bobux

Ghostie

You just claimed that Lockwood Smith is a board member of Blue Chip. Before making this claim you haven’t bothered to check
– the Companies Office website
– the Blue Chip website
– the Return of Members Interests.

When Ross Millar calls you on your error, you casually admit to being wrong, but make another accusation about Lockwood Smith.

Given your proven track record of dishonesty and your incompetence in undertaking even elementary research before smearing someone, why do you think anyone would be gullible enough to believe you this time?
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February 28, 2008 8:15pm
Inventory2

Ghostwhobullshits – I presume you were referring to this thread from the Sub-Standard – http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=1163 – just another attempt by the lads there to “foment malicious mischief” – Lockwood Smith was in that photo in his capacity as an electorate MP, and Greg Turner & Larry Graham as representatives of New Zealand Golf. Bluechip Finance was NOT at that time insolvent, and NZ Golf was happy to have them as a sponsor. That’s all – no smoking gun; no anonymous donations, nothing. Your cowardice makes me want to vomit!
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February 28, 2008 8:35pm
milo

Ghostie: The Phantom would be ashamed of you. Oh, and by the way, Mr. Walker* won’t be voting Labour.
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February 28, 2008 9:13pm
SPC

I wonder if Tom Scott thought it was as easy for cartoonists when Muldoon tried to dominate the media?
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February 28, 2008 9:20pm
aucklandabbey

in answer to “GD’s” comment isnt exiting and entering stages “Snagglepuss'” line ha! and someone else has gotten tooooooo long in the tooth me thinks. Time for some different blood ay.
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February 28, 2008 9:28pm
aucklandabbey

yeah SPC and they will be wishing they were here to have fun with this too ha! maybe they will send a mind meld like Spock does to one of the cartoonists and send their contributions from the other side Hahaha!
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February 28, 2008 9:31pm
aucklandabbey

Well this new 15 minute stuff is tooooo long for loading comments so im off for a coffee and unlike some I dont have any slaves hahaha! to make it. Happy debating to all :-))
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February 28, 2008 9:46pm
Roark

send a mind meld like Spock

What are you? A fucking startrek retard??? Klark is reaping what shes sown and I don’t blame the Herald for turning on her this hard but they could get a fuckin funny cartoonist instead of this boring vain dross.
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February 28, 2008 9:49pm
aucklandabbey

hey Umm imm agreeing with the cartoonists. tooo long in the tooth is meaning a certain HC person ha! why do you think I said “NEW BLOOD” hahaha!
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February 28, 2008 9:52pm
aucklandabbey

im just keeping it in the same vain as all the rest with quips relating them to different characters thats all. Im a true kiwi but a down to earth one hahaha!
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February 28, 2008 9:54pm
aucklandabbey

see even uyou are using double barrelled meanings ha! “Vain dross” play on a good musician. this is light hearted stuff climb down fromv your high horse ok. meant no harm. you seem to think otherwise. your prob not mine i think. I will not make funnies in future then hile hitler! (joke hahaha!)
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February 28, 2008 9:59pm
Pascal

Edit feature, maybe?
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February 29, 2008 2:00am
vto

GWWNZ, I have read with mild interest various posters calling you names such as liar etc before. This time I followed the thread and can see that you simply made things up – such as Lockwood Smith being on the Board of that Blue Chip company. Why lie? Now I can’t trust anything you post.

And while we’re on the subject of companies going under. That is what happens in business. Everytime a company goes bust all sorts of usually ignorant types jump up and down somehow expecting the govt to permanently guarantee that no company ever goes bust. The finance companies are a classic. Take note you folk – companies go bust. Its called making a loss and is quite normal. If you can’t handle the heat get away from the fire. The finance companies may offer a lesson in greed – if you can;t handle the extra risk then dont chase the extra 1-2%p.a. in interest (the risk and return never matched up, that’s why I never invested in them even though I borrowed from them).

note – I am well aware that sometimes a company will get rorted by a rogue. Different thing.
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February 29, 2008 7:36am
PaulL

It was nice when GWW wasn’t around, I see that DPF has tired of his lies again pretty quickly. Maybe I need to install that RIP thing.
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February 29, 2008 8:25am
Ghostwhowalksnz

vto, i said I was in error about Lockwood smith. He is not on the board. If these are pointed out to me i will correct them. But of course The national party and Blue Chip are really really close
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February 29, 2008 8:30am
Ross Miller

Actually Ghost you didn’t say you were in error about Lockwood Smith.

What you did say was “Lockwood Smith and Blue Chip, you are right not a board member, but maybe he was the one to hit on them for a juicy donation. for his face time”.

So, no attempt to apologise and to compound your drival you proceed to suggest he might have hit them up for a donation.
How is that any more plausable than for me to ascert that Mike Williams might have done the same thing also?

And does “the national party and Blue Chip are really really close” mean that the National Party owns Blue Chip; has shares in Blue Chip; has directors on Blue Chip; has people who know directors of Blue Chip; has people who know people who know directors on Blue Chip; has people who invested in Blue Chip; or is this just another attempt to smear again.

Money where mouth is please.
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