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February 25, 2008 11:50am by David Farrar

General Debate 25 February 2008

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Adam

Nice to hear Helen blaming the media this morning on the radio for their downturn in the polls.
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February 25, 2008 12:05pm
Brownie

Has anyone noticed the Standard Lads frothing at the mouth lately? Their urgent attempts to deflect criticism of the Labour party has resulted in censorship at Castro (Fidel or Raul) levels.

Apparently free speech is only free speech when its what they want to hear.
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February 25, 2008 12:06pm
big bruv

Is anybody else as pissed off as I am about Jesse Ryder?, just when we looked to have uncovered a diamond (a rough one at that but one that could be polished) he reverts to his old ways.
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February 25, 2008 12:10pm
Grant

Have just been made aware that some elderly relatives have been entangled in the Blue Chip fiasco. The impact on them is huge and will probably not end well for them.
Anyone else know others affected by the collapse of this outfit?
G
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February 25, 2008 12:22pm
Murray

So if this debate gets enough people at what point does it become a “mass” debate?

Heh heh, that lowest kama score of the day is mine!

Sweet.
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February 25, 2008 12:27pm
Mr Nobody NZ

Brownie,

I have to agree that the censors over at the standard seem to working overtime to ensure that any opposing thoughts or views get quickly shut down, censored or just plain deleted. What I thought was surprising though was that it seems that they have even thrown away pretend attitude of wanting open discussion as seen by this opening post by one of their moderators last weeek.

Irishbill said on the Filth Thread: “And before any of you little pricks start I should warn you that my tolerance for your filth on this blog is now zero.”
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February 25, 2008 12:30pm
Murray

So differing views are now “filth”. This certainly is a new stardard.

Well given the latest polls they can start having their meetings in a phonebox from now on.
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February 25, 2008 12:46pm
Inventory2

Is anyone else proud to be a member of what The Standard and Kiwiblogblog are calling “The Kiwiblog Right”? I certainly am. If they have felt the needto slap a label on us,we must really be snotting them off!! Here’s a thought DPF – to celebrate to release of Kiwiblog 2.0, maybe there’s a market for a Kiwiblog Right tee-shirt……..
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February 25, 2008 12:54pm
ropata

AAAaaRRRggggGGGHhhhh Kiwiblog page load times suck!
Is it just the time of day, or too many snazzy gadgets in the new format??
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February 25, 2008 12:54pm
casual watcher

Helen doesn’t seem to get what the polls are saying to her at all. She said this morning that she and the Team had “tonnes of good ideas” to release before the election. There is no connection with her to any sort of responsibility for the past 8.5 years of less than mediocre management of this country. Tonnes of good ideas will not be her saviour and one on one debate with Key in the lead up to the election will exacerbate her “problem” in the polls.
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February 25, 2008 12:54pm
Andrew W

This new format does seem slower.
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February 25, 2008 12:59pm
Ryan Sproull

Heh heh, that lowest kama score of the day is mine!

Kama, spelled without the R, means “desire”.

So.

Bring on the kama scores.
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February 25, 2008 1:07pm
Murray

So rude to go round running over peoples dogma with your karma.
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February 25, 2008 1:09pm
Adam Smith

If Helen has tonnes to release before the election it will all be hot air. Can she then be pinged for increasing global warming?
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February 25, 2008 1:22pm
Adam Smith

Has anyone else noticed that Kiwiblog seems slower to load in the new design?

Is this intentional?

Does it vary between browsers? I am using Firefox.
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February 25, 2008 1:25pm
Murray

How about lying at excessive speed.
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February 25, 2008 1:26pm
dime

man this is slow..

too slow to go back and check if dave blogged this.. but

NADER is gonna make a run for president HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

cya dems!
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February 25, 2008 1:31pm
hemi

“AAAaaRRRggggGGGHhhhh Kiwiblog page load times suck!”

Come on! Compared to the old – post comment, wait, time out error — version of site?
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February 25, 2008 1:35pm
gd

Grant the fallout from the finance and other companies collaspes are largely buried given that those who have lost are of a generation that doesnt make a fuss and just carries on regardless. Fact is my organisation and others told the NZX Secrurities Commission Commerce Commission and Minister of Commerce back in 2002 that it was a case of if not when these train wrecks happened. Reason NZ didnt and still doesnt have a robust prudential regulatory frame work nor does it have a Companies Act or NZX Rules that meet international corproate governance standards.

The legislators ans regulators are a bunch of gooses Do you what their answer is when I and others tackle them

The NZ market is different to others and doesnt require the same level of compilance.

Give me a break When i ask them whats different these is a long silence.

Tip to you. The next big governance issue will be identity fraud. NZ companies will find themselves wrapped up in defending litigation when a bunch of East Europeans or Asians use the company identity to perpertrate substantial international frauds because the laxness and lack of MFAT compliance.

And you kinow what the NZ legislators and regulators will be running around like headless chooks wondering why it all happened Pathetic,
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February 25, 2008 1:42pm
Ghostwhowalksnz

Dony worry Ryan about the karma, its your dharma that matters
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February 25, 2008 1:44pm
dad4justice

Haha, Ghostly knows all about moral law? Stuff me, crack another one for budda.
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February 25, 2008 1:55pm
Adam Smith

Grant

I tend to agree with you.

The Unisys security index, referenced from Scoop, has gone up considerably due to concerns about security and identity theft; the NZ Police have an advisory – http://www.police.govt.nz/safety/home-identity-crime.html – which has some links to resources.
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February 25, 2008 1:57pm
aucklandabbey

Hi fellow bloggers, So if Helen reckons she’s got “tonnes of good ideas” why hasnt she put them into action. Shes had long enough has she not. and when they make changes, why make us wait for 2-3 years rah!
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February 25, 2008 2:00pm
Jum

I’ve already heard of John Key’s great idea – “we would love to see wages drop”. Do you think it will catch on? And that’s just the one he did tell us about.
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February 25, 2008 2:11pm
aucklandabbey

Don’t actions speak louder than words or so I thought.
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February 25, 2008 2:17pm
Buggerlugs

“We have to keep governing, we have to work on being a government of substance, a government of vision, a government which has got the big ideas.”

LOL – she’s trying to be Barack Obama!

PS Jum – that is so last week. Lift your game. Or your IQ.
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February 25, 2008 2:18pm
aucklandabbey

Yeah christ! arent they low enough. thats why we are settling for people who are getting into NZ without being able to speak english and ending up in our hospitals etc. We should be showing how much we value our workers.
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February 25, 2008 2:21pm
KevOB

It’s about time financial fraud was nipped in the bud.There should be mandatory prison sentences for directors and senior executives, including accountants of finance and any other companies taking deposits from the public if the company fails. Accountants know that to borrow money for a short term and to lend for a longer term is a recipe for disaster. Trading banks do it but they have the Reserve Bank as lender of last resort to guarantee their liquidity. The others are just gambling that new deposits will cover current payments. When this pass the parcel stops, the public, who have been suckered into lending, lose. Without exception every finance company failure has been near criminal that way. The greed of the directors has overtaken prudence.
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February 25, 2008 2:24pm
Buggerlugs

Ah, abbey, he was talking about closing the wage gap between NZ and Australia, not reducing Kiwis’ wages.
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February 25, 2008 2:25pm
aucklandabbey

buggerlugs she can never be Obama for 2 obvoius reasons ha. and yes a government with vision. to highten and value the kiwi worker who is highly valued overseas but obviously not in their own country.
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February 25, 2008 2:25pm
aucklandabbey

oops sorry buggerlugs thanks for that And yup i agree with that one wholeheartedly.
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February 25, 2008 2:28pm
aucklandabbey

oops sorry buggerlugs thanks for that And yup i agree with that one wholeheartedly. Too many good kiwis going overseas as it is.
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February 25, 2008 2:29pm
vto

one thing I wonder about – an outgoing govt will sometimes put in place that are difficult for an incoming govt to change. This current lot have been experts at that, even with some of the contitutional matters such as losing the Privy Council, EFA, etc (and without following the established practices in implementing larger changes eg. wide parliamentary support).

This govt has put in place worker-paid student loans (they are not free), WFF, kiwisaver, etc.

Are these things actually that hard to reverse? Politically some will be, such as any where some people get handed other peoples money (eg. WFF). But what about things like the Privy Council which I think was incredibly foolish.
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February 25, 2008 2:35pm
PhilBest

HERE’S A GOOD ARTICLE ON FIDEL BLOODY CASTRO:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=1108FA89-5019-4FE5-A2FA-612C1B38C9D5
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February 25, 2008 2:39pm
aucklandabbey

dont post this behind the scenes persons the reason i posted it twice is like a few have commented it is very,very slow to load on comments ok. im a helpful soul if anything so again this is for you not everyone to see ok.
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February 25, 2008 2:41pm
aucklandabbey

as this is too slow at loading comments im off for a coffee. happy blogging and debating folks. I’ll be back. have a nice day.
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February 25, 2008 2:43pm
PhilBest

Yeah, this is going S-S-S-L-L-L-O-O-O-O-O-W-W-W-W-W-W today
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February 25, 2008 2:43pm
dad4justice

Philbest, it is deliberately slow so the lefty Labour retards can catch up.
The other phil, that stoner, must’ve gonged his bong?
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February 25, 2008 2:51pm
catwoman

Can u please go back to the old format. Loading times very, very, very slow!!!!!!!!!!!
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February 25, 2008 2:53pm
gd

KevOB The supreme irony is that none and I mean none of the failed finance companies would have been able to operate in OZ as they didnt meet their regulations And OZ has one of the lightest environments around.

I sometimes wonder if the Socialists are not only crooks themselves but that they support business crooks as well.

Mind you I have found the business and financial illiteracy in both politicans and civil servants to be staggering. Even discussing Business 101 gets their eyes glazing over and you just know you have lost them.
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February 25, 2008 2:57pm
gd

vto This is standard Socialist practise Implement policy that is impossible to reverse and that stuffs up the economy. Did you read the piece in the weekend papers about WFF Now anyone with even half a brain would say Why not just reduce the tax rates Why take and them give back Why have an abatement rate at 80cents Why not have a low marginal rate so its worth looking to increase your income by doing more hours or negoiataing a pay raise for increased productivity.

OHHHHH I forgot Socialists dont do increased productivity

They just slice up an ever decreasing sized npie with bigger and bigger slices going to their mates.
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February 25, 2008 3:06pm
Simeon

How long will Helen clark last as leader of the Labour party??

Vote in the poll at http://nzdebate.blogspot.com/2008/02/vote.html
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February 25, 2008 3:27pm
horisthebear

Interesting to see that Mark Gosche won’t be standing in Maungakiekie . going list only.
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February 25, 2008 3:28pm
Mickey D

Tottenham 2, Chelsea 1. Nuff said. The glory, glory days have returned.
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February 25, 2008 4:03pm
Inventory2

Interesting question posed on Newstalk ZB this morning about priorities

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/02/priorities.html
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February 25, 2008 4:31pm
virtualmark

DPF … have you heard any updates on the EPMU’s application to register with the Electoral Commission as a third-party?
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February 25, 2008 4:38pm
Grant

Thanks to gd, KevinOB, and Adam for their thoughtfull replies. After doing a bit of research into the agreement these people signed, there are a few “advisors”, “account managers”, and “directors”, I’d like to see put into stocks in Aotea Square for the amusement of those they’ve ripped off.
Once again, a direct lack of tangible consequences has seen people indulging in activities that they’d not even consider if they knew there would be “personal” cost.
G
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February 25, 2008 4:51pm
francis

Story about amazing new Obama tech tool: http://tinyurl.com/2yfmjc
and the interface itself http://www.hopeactchange.com/
which is that video but with a stunning new twist.
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February 25, 2008 4:52pm
ropata

I am going to find an IP anonymizer and cheat the comment rating system !! 😉
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February 25, 2008 5:03pm
vto

$1 to every person who votes my comments up. Just let me know once you’ve voted a comment up and we’ll keep a tally (and account).
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February 25, 2008 5:09pm
Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left

The rating system really isnt working.
It realy looks like comments from lefties are given negative “Karmas” possibly just because they are made by known lefties.
For example MickeyD said
“Tottenham 2, Chelsea 1. Nuff said. The glory, glory days have returned.”
and has 2 negatives. Could be two Chelsea fans but I just doubt it, aye.
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February 25, 2008 5:22pm
Owen McShane

IF you think the current trading in financials is prone to fraud, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

Wait until these characters get the hots for carbon trading and offset trading.
This will be a market “worth” trillions – but actually worth nothing because no one has a clue what is being bought and sold.
It is worth remembering that carbon trading was invented by Enron – which is presumably why the Government is embracing it with such fervour.

Anyhow, if any company enters this market sell your shares as quickly as you can before they get pinged by a US class action for fraudulent claims and misrepresentation.
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February 25, 2008 5:36pm
Owen McShane

If you think the current trading in financials is prone to fraud, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

Wait until these characters get the hots for carbon trading and offset trading.
This will be a market “worth” trillions – but actually worth nothing because no one has a clue what is being bought and sold.
It is worth remembering that carbon trading was invented by Enron – which is presumably why the Government is embracing it with such fervour.

Anyhow, if any company enters this market, sell your shares as quickly as you can before they get pinged by a US class action for fraudulent claims and misrepresentation.
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February 25, 2008 5:39pm
vto

I’m just trying to influence the vote with my big money
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February 25, 2008 5:41pm
philu

did you plagiarise that..?..d4j..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 25, 2008 6:34pm
scrubone

Actually, looking down the page it looks like the system might be working – don’t see many trolls, and the few that have made abusive comments are in the negatives.

I don’t like the ability to edit one’s responses though – it’d be too easy to change what you’ve said then subsequent comments would not reflect this.
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February 25, 2008 6:36pm
dad4justice

Hey philu got over the needle yet ?
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February 25, 2008 6:42pm
philu

years ago..pot is my only poison..

how about you and those prescribed meds..?..eh d4j..?

what are you on..?

uppers..?..downers..?..leapers..?..screamers..?

or do you mix ‘n match..?

for that ‘rollercoaster’ effect..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 25, 2008 6:47pm
dad4justice

Dirty needle eh .
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February 25, 2008 6:49pm
Murray

I owe you 3 bucks vto, you’re not buying my vote… at that piddling ammount.
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February 25, 2008 6:50pm
PaulL

SSSL: I also thought I’d seen a few comments where I thought that the content was fine, it was the person who was being scored. I don’t think that is how it should work – for example I saw a Tane post that was sort of reasonable, and a lot of -ve on that. I’m guessing that the excitement will wear off quickly – so only the really obnoxious posts get hammered, but I guess we’ll have to wait and see. I certainly prefer it as a way to tone things down v’s the demerits or outright banning or editing, which other sites we could mention use.

Of course, if DPF had managed to get his default karma thing working, then that was exactly the result he was looking for – if you usually post drivel your comments are assumed to be drivel before you start.
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February 25, 2008 6:57pm
Dismal Soyanz

Have the links to other Blogs disappeared in 2.0?

🙁
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February 25, 2008 7:06pm
Duxton

Interesting comment from Deborah Coddington in yesterday’s (24 feb) Herald on Sunday”

“No one believes Clark seriously offered Glenn a cabinet post, especially when she was dressed as a paua at the time. A possible scenario is that Glenn eyed the Prime Minister as if she was dinner, and she brushed him off muttering; “you’d be a sitter for transport”.

Glenn may have interpreted this as Minister of Transport in a future government, when she really meant he’d be road kill in the path of a Mac truck if H2 got hold of him.”

The reference to H2 is rather cryptic, and in the context of the article could be interpreted a number of ways. Thoughts, anyone?
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February 25, 2008 7:10pm
Andrew W

Hey vto, I’ve voted up yours 100 times already! That’s $100.
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February 25, 2008 7:16pm
Inventory2

Duxton said “The reference to H2 is rather cryptic, and in the context of the article could be interpreted a number of ways. Thoughts, anyone?”

The thought of Helen Clark dressed as a paua has put me off seafood for life!
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February 25, 2008 7:40pm
tux

I like the new version DPF, ropata if the load time sucks, you must be with xtra.
Now for an Xtra rave.
For six weeks now I have been working my way though the xtra hell desk to try and get some NZ domains of their automatic junk list.
Not only does xtra no longer run their own email (I know it’s been like that before bubble), but they CANNOT communicate directly with yahoo to get problems fixed.

And this for domains that have never been infected to send spam, never sent spam and as far as I can tell their only crime is to have been in the cc of an email that got sent serveral thousand times from a NZ site who got their mail out all wrong.
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February 25, 2008 7:44pm
Inventory2

So it’s official now – Phil Goff is a contender………

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/02/so-when-is-it-going-to-happen-phil.html
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February 25, 2008 7:45pm
Redbaiter

“What I thought was surprising though was that it seems that they have even thrown away pretend attitude of wanting open discussion”

I’m surprised you were surprised. There’s not many around these days who don’t understand the left’s obsession with controlling thought and speech, and that their “tolerance” is merely a mask to hide their true intent.

All over the blogosphere, you can read them whinging and whining and moaning because people are saying “unapproved” things, expressing “unapproved opinions” and using “unapproved” language. They know that with such a free exchange of ideas and information, their grip on power is eventually going to slip completely away and based on that, I’ll predict that the left are going to put even more energy than usual into their attempts to prevent the expression of ideas they consider “inappropriate”. You think the EFB is bad? I reckon there’s a lot worse to come, especially as it applies to the blogosphere.
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February 25, 2008 7:52pm
dad4justice

Good point redbaiter, the controlling leftist regime do like to discredit their foes and champion their wayward ideas.

I do wonder how long before the first blogger critic of the Labour Government will face the wrath of unbalanced – politicized law?
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February 25, 2008 8:13pm
vto

ha ha. I’m at -1 and -5!! So much for trying to buy votes. Big money does not influence votes. In fact it’s just made it worse.
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February 25, 2008 8:25pm
Mr Nobody NZ

Red Baiter I agree with you re your assessment of the lefts true intent but what surprised me was the in comparison to some of the other left wing blogs the standard was up until recently running a reasonably smart cyber campaign. The main part of that was their self portrayal as a moderate in the political sphere however since “Hosting-Gate” they seem to have thrown this concept away and instead gone for the rabid dog approach.
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February 25, 2008 8:26pm
Inventory2

Agreed Mr Nobody – they have become “single issue nutters” as Michael Laws would so succinctly put it, their single issue being John Key and his credibility, which they try to besmirch at every opportunity. The problem is, the more they focus on Key, the more his lead over Clark grows! So stick with it Tane, Irish Bill, all-your-base & co!
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February 25, 2008 8:33pm
Buggerlugs

I had to laugh at this over at the subhumanstandard:

Tane
Feb 25th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

“why don’t you take issue witrh the Electoral Finance Act which is the most antidemocratic piece of legislation this country has ever seen.”

You might think otherwise if you’d be involved in the 1951 waterfront dispute, where free speech was outlawed and it was made illegal to provide food to the families of striking workers. The complete lack of any sense of history is behind many of New Zealand’s current problems.

So now the Tutae is saying the EFA is bad? Does this mean the EPMU is gearing up to get behind Goff too?
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February 25, 2008 8:49pm
philu

ah..!..you’re a michael laws ‘fan’..?

that does explain a lot..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 25, 2008 8:50pm
Inventory2

Not a fan at all phil.I even commented on that fact in a post on Keeping Stock a couple of weeks ago when his daughter’s illness first became public knowledge. The “single issue nutter” label was given to a sector of the Wanganui community who he clashed with shortly after his election as mayor, and seemed to me to be an apt description of the Standard at the moment with their obsession about John Key.
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February 25, 2008 8:55pm
dad4justice

ah..!..you’re a michael cullen ‘fan’

that does explain your excessive weed use..
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February 25, 2008 8:56pm
Rex Widerstrom

What a curious position for The Standard to take. “The Tories were fascist thugs 50 years ago, so that justifies a left wing government behaving like fascist thugs today”. My grandfather was a wharfie and hated the Holland government for their antidemocratic actions. If he were alive today he’d oppose the Clark government just as vehemently.

It’s called “principle”, Tane – look it up. Here’s a hint – it’s a long way from “ideology” in the dictionary.
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February 25, 2008 8:57pm
Buggerlugs

ah philu – summat for you. Close one eye and concentrate on the screen, and sing along…

I was gonna clean my room, until I got high
I was gonna get up and find the broom, But then I got high
My room is still messed up And I know why, (why man) ‘cuz I got high
Because I got high
Because I got high

I was gonna go to class, before I got high
I coulda’ cheated and I coulda passed, but I got high
I’m taking it next semester and I know why, (why man) ‘cuz I got high
Because I got high
Because I got high

I was gonna go to work, but then I got high
I just got a new promotion, but I got high
Now I’m selling dope and I know why, (why man) ‘cuz I got high
Because I got high
Because I got high

I was gonna go to court, before I got high
I was gonna pay my child support, but then I got high (No you weren’t)
They took my whole pay check, and I know why, (why man) ‘cuz I got high,
Because I got high
Because I got high
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February 25, 2008 8:59pm
Lindsay Addie

I don’t see Goff trying for the leaders job at the moment. My reasoning is:

• Clark has the upper echelons of the party stacked with all her bootlickers.
• How is he going to put together a decent cabinet out of the ragtag bunch of current MP’s?
• He’s been around for years and isn’t the right person to lead them anyway. They need someone who isn’t closely identified with this current administration. Life on the Opposition benches can be hard for senior ex-cabinet ministers.
• It would smack of a panic measure (remember Moore taking over from Palmer?)
• If Goff did take over he would have to backtrack on policy starting off with the EFA.
• Frankly his chances of winning wouldn’t be great anyway. His party is in need of a major rebuild and that will take more than 3 years I would think.

Look to the Greens to attack Labour a lot more from now on, that would be a very good tactic if handled properly.
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February 25, 2008 9:05pm
Michaels

I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back patio
and filled it with seed. What a beauty of a bird feeder it
is as I filled it lovingly with seed. Within a week we had
hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food.
But then the birds started building nests in the
boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the
barbecue.
Then came the shit… It was everywhere: on the patio
tile, the chairs, the table…everywhere!

Then some of the birds turned mean.. They would dive
bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket.
And other birds were boisterous and loud. They sat on
the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food.

After a while, I couldn’t even sit in my own back
garden anymore. So I took down the bird feeder and in three
days the birds were gone. I cleaned up their mess and took
down the many nests they had built all over the patio.

Soon, the back yard was like it used to be ….. quiet, serene and no one demanding their rights to a free meal.

Now let’s see….. our government gives out free food,
subsidized housing, free medical care, and free education
and allows anyone born here to be an automatic citizen.

Then the illegals came by the tens of thousands.
Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services;
small apartments are housing 5 families; you have to wait 6
hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor; your child’s
2nd grade class is behind other schools because over half
the class doesn’t speak English.

Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to
‘press one’ to hear my bank talk to me in English, and
people waving flags other than our own Flag. are squawking
and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.

Just my opinion, but maybe it’s time for the
government to take down the bird feeder.
If you agree continue cleaning up the shit!
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February 25, 2008 10:05pm
Redbaiter

“What a curious position for The Standard to take.”

Well yes, but do you expect much more? I cannot make sense of the comment at all. They’re just so narrow and doctrinal in their political perspectives over there, (and at the other two Labour Party sites). No rationale, no real ability to respond with reasoned argument, just slogans, dogma, intolerance and hate.
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February 25, 2008 10:15pm
PaulL

Michaels, clearly American. And doesn’t translate that well to NZ. Even if I agreed that illegal immigrants come to America because of the free stuff that they can get, rather than so they can work hard and get ahead (and are generally more law abiding and harder working that native born Americans), you’d still have a hard time convincing me that there was any sense in it.
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February 25, 2008 11:40pm
philu

here s the response to the ‘i’m fucking matt damon’ video..

it’s the ‘response’ from the boyfriend/target of the first vid..

and is titled..”i’m fucking ben afleck’..

and you really should watch it..eh..?

y’know..!..for a good belly laugh..

(mind you..many rightwingers (probably) wont ‘get it’..eh..?..)

phil)whoar.co.nz)
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February 26, 2008 7:18am
philu

ahem..!..the link..

http://whoar.co.nz/2008/do-you-remember-the-im-fucking-matt-damon-viddear-john-sarah-silverman-sent-her-boyfriend/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 26, 2008 7:19am
Bok

With all due respect phil it is a long running gag. Nothing really to get, just people having fun. And it is really funny.
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February 26, 2008 8:55am
Lance

Just a heads up from an insider.
The Greens enthusiastic push for more renewable energy; particularly solar hot water has been poorly managed.
An industry that was growing at 40% per annum first slightly dropped last year and now is dead. Nothing is happening, it has been killed.
Thanks largely to the most draconian laws in the world inflicted at breath taking speed. It may recover one day.. years from now. It might make great boasting rights to say we are the first in the world to enact certain requirements but maybe there is a reason no-one else is doing this?
There was need to improvements in SOME areas but the wholesale vitriol from an ill-informed media and self appointed experts further cemented by ludicrously onerous legislation and bad mouthing from certain MPs capped it all off.
Any industry that is next in the spot light like this should be VERY afraid. I could name a few that are much more worthy of destruction.
Should be interesting seeing the report on this later on, how much the government has ‘Helped’ the renewable energy sector. With friends like that….
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