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December 20, 2007 8:26pm by David Farrar

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hinamanu

ooooooooooooooooooooooooohh

I am sooo xcited by this poll. if I believed polls were realistic I would wet myself. This is unbelievably historical data.

I cannot believe this black man has such a huge lead. I do wonder how it corresponds with other polls.

Have american perceptions changed so much.

Wonder how much 24 had to do with this. Can white America believe a black man can have integrity in real life.

Is this George Bushes fault. Does the US electorate want to turn so far across the political and social spectrum to distance themselves from the socially bankrupt warmonger.

has america finally come of age, cast off its naievity and become a balanced, mature and selfless nation.

if they vote this man in it will prove all of this. That America has finally become a liberated and socially conscious nation.

My eyes are wet right now.
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December 20, 2007 8:40pm
hinamanu

Umm,,

I think I got myself mixed up. it wasn’t an American Poll. (tear)
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December 20, 2007 8:44pm
Tauhei Notts

Last time I looked Centrebet had Hillary as hot $1.75 favourite.
Those bookies go broke if they get it wrong, so I have more faith in their prognostications.
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December 20, 2007 8:59pm
reid

Good luck Tauhei, Hillary’s support for failed US foreign policies is why she’s lagging in the polls.

I’m surprised that the people on this blog who talk about freedom from nanny state, individual responsibility, constitutional protection etc seem never to talk about Ron Paul. He’s the only candidate who’s consistently espousing the values people on this blog talk about a lot.
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December 20, 2007 9:35pm
James W

rEVOLution baby!

Go RON PAUL!
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December 20, 2007 9:36pm
flyingkiwi

rEVOLution baby!

Go RON PAUL!

Right behind ya buddy 😀 Nice to seem him raise $6m in 24 hours the other day!
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December 20, 2007 9:40pm
reid

Just in case you haven’t heard of him:

“As a [10 term] congressman, Ron Paul has never taken a government-paid junket. He is not accepting a government pension. He returns a portion of his office budget every year to the taxpayers. As a member of Congress, he has never voted a raise for himself. Do you know any other member of Congress that can make such a claim? Of course you don’t, because Ron Paul is truly one-of-a-kind.”

Former President Ronald Reagan said this about Ron Paul, “Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country.”
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December 20, 2007 9:47pm
hinamanu

Ron Paul sounds very inspiring

Its curious his candicacy isn’t taken more seriously.

but did you know the rumour is the only runners who get in the white house are related to British royalty.
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December 20, 2007 10:04pm
wellybelly

This site endorses Rudolph (9/11 tourettes) Giuliani? Really??
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December 20, 2007 10:08pm
themono

Yeah, I’m a little disturbed by the endorsement there. I thought Farrar claimed to be from the libertarian leaning wing of the Nats. Guiliani is terrifying – the only reason he’s not the scariest of the candidates is that the Republicans have somehow managed to forage up every terrifying individual all at once. Romney’s probably the scariest, followed by Guiliani, followed by Huckabee…
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December 20, 2007 10:12pm
stephen

Yeah I saw that among his top ten funders were the US Air Force, Navy and Army (thats THROUGH them, opposed FROM them). Probably cos it sounds like he doesn’t really want to use them.

The reason kiwibloggers don’t really talk about him is because this is a forum about New Zealand politics, not American. He would end the ‘war on drugs’ and dismantle most governments departments – probably not the forum for that sort of stuff, really.
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December 20, 2007 10:13pm
stephen

seemed like all the Dems and Republicans were roughly equally funded by Goldman Sachs, Merryl Lynch etc too, how bout that
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December 20, 2007 10:21pm
dannyboy

actually its more that the media don’t want to advertise them, locally I’ve noticed that the NZ media mainly show the democratic side of the elections, probably shows how liberal biased the media is. But I think he’s getting noticed more now with the $6million in one day donations. the most exciting thing about this donation day was the amount of first time donators

Ron Paul is worth checking out, http://www.ronpaul2008.com

Go Ron Paul!!!

oh yeah why giuliani? he’s responsible for many firefighters deaths in 9/11 http://youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I
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December 20, 2007 10:22pm
reid

Would he really dismantle most government depts, stephen? I’ve only heard about the fed
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December 20, 2007 10:31pm
RebelHeart

Rudolph is retarded. Pity someone as great as Steve Forbes is supporting him though. The Ron Paul fad is also retarded.
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December 20, 2007 10:32pm
stephen

reid there’s http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm#Government_Reform where he apparently said close departments of Energy, Education & Homeland Security. I saw him on The Daily Show where he said he would close pretty much all of them though. It would be a gradual thing to be fair. It’s probably on http://www.thedailyshow.com.
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December 20, 2007 10:42pm
NX

Go Rudy.

The man to change Republican politics. Economically conservative, socially liberal.

^Similar to John Key & Dr Brash in that respect.
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December 20, 2007 10:45pm
greenjacket

David –
Giuliani supports detention without trial and suspension of habeas corpus, supports torture of suspects, agrees with search and interception without warrants, and belives that presidential authority overides the courts, the Congress and the law. Giuliani claims he supports tax cuts (though his record is not as great as he claims), but he also supports big government.

I am rather suprised, given your conservatism with libertarian leanings, David, that you don’t support Ron Paul. Ron Paul stands for personal liberty, upholding the constitution, small government, free trade and a policy of non-intervention.

[DPF: Oh I love Ron Paul but he won’t win a single delegate]
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December 20, 2007 11:01pm
Tina

Karl Rove apparently is running the Obama campaign as a black op (no pun intended).
The Republicans are saying little and hoping Oby gets up.
Unelectable.
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December 20, 2007 11:02pm
reid

Personally stephen, I have no problem with closing down the fed and Homeland Security. If their Education is anything like ours, perhaps that would be a good thing too.
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December 20, 2007 11:04pm
hinamanu

Karl Rove is a PR genius,

But running the Obama campaign…. bizarre.

conspirital collusion at worst.
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December 20, 2007 11:06pm
francis

my god, the KiwiBlogk fan base seems to understand American politics about as well as Russell Brown understand the EFA.
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December 20, 2007 11:07pm
reid

So who’s your preferred candidate francis?
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December 20, 2007 11:11pm
hinamanu

Tina,

Can you view my q in the viaduct thread plse.
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December 20, 2007 11:12pm
Redbaiter

Go Ron Paul. Wrong about a lot of things, but really, the only avenue for the changes that must develop.
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December 20, 2007 11:18pm
Tina

Not to taken literally hin….point being, Rove wants to be running against Oby as first choice.
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December 21, 2007 12:02am
Bodycount

“Wrong about a lot of things, but really, the only avenue for the changes that must develop.”

That’s an interesting statement.

How can one be wrong about “a lot of things” but yet, really be the only avenue for the changes that must develop?

Would it not be more correct to say that you disagree with some of his views, nevertheless, you believe he is clearly the only avenue for the changes that must develop?

And just out of interest, precisely what is it that you disagree with?
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December 21, 2007 7:16am
Bodycount

You can’t count anybody out until the counting is over

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBawj7SqEWM
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December 21, 2007 7:47am
slightlyrighty

Though it saddens me to say it, Obama as a democratic candidate is the best hope for the worst of the republican elements in the US.

Republicans know that Bush is extremely unpopular and that the republican following him to try and get to the oval office is going to have a hard time. Arnold Schwarzenegger made an open effort to distance himself from Bush and it paid off handsomely. Any GOP candidate is going to have to do the same.

The very fact that Obama is who he is will give pause to some voters. We know that he is charismatic and intelligent. He is also inexperienced and black. However enlightened we would wish the US to be, that will be an issue for some people.

The good thing is these people would probably vote republican anyway, regardless of who was running.
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December 21, 2007 7:53am
djp

boo Guiliani, he is as crooked as it gets.

Clinton is as bad as the current administration.

Obama is a yes man.

Ron Paul is the only way to go!
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December 21, 2007 9:01am
dime

Huckabee is gonna own this election!!!
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December 21, 2007 9:17am
grumpyoldhori

I notice some people in the states are saying
that Obama or Clinton should get James Webb as a running mate.

It would stop the chickenhawks like Giuliani
asking why Obama or Hillary were not in
Vietnam.
What a scumbag Giuliani is, dodged the draft
then spent three years chasing other draft
dodgers for the US govt.
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December 21, 2007 9:22am
Tina

Paul has a handle on the problems of the US monetary system ….unfortunately he also has all the gravitas of uncle doofus.
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December 21, 2007 9:23am
TC

To paraphrase Senator Dodd, for Giuliani every sentence has a noun, a verb, and 9/11. If he is selected it may well completely alienate the religious right from the GOP.
The Republican candidates are completely unimpressive. Perhaps only McCain can stand up to the scrutiny of a presidential campaign. At present the Republican’s are eating their young.
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December 21, 2007 9:50am
Jamie

@dime

Huckabee?? Hahahaha. Oh, man. That could be the funniest thing I’ve heard all week.

But in all likelihood it will come down to Clinton and Giuliani. They’re the biggest names, and they have the most money behind their respective campaigns. And as Tauhei Notts points out, bookies like to back the favourite: if money is on the line, all ideologies and politicking take a back seat. Unfortunate, but true. Personally, I think Obama is the only positive candidate. The rest are just the usual suspects. But as around 80% of America is white, slightyrighty has a good point (also unfortunate): many people will not be able to see beyond colour.
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December 21, 2007 10:00am
Tina

True, Obama has a few problems other than cultural incompatibility in the eyes of the majority US electorate.
A couple of years in the Senate means zero experience…his team of “who?” would run the US….you wouldn’t know if he is “positive or not.
Half of the US think there’s a chance Al Sharpton is going to get a gig.

Admitted serious drug use in the past….skeletons will need to stay buried.
This kid is going to run the US military?

And “Obama” is rather too close to Osama.

My theory is the bookies are shortening this fella to bring in the sucker money, if he get’s the nomination watch the overnight blow out.
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December 21, 2007 10:29am
gd

Rudis Da man Cleaned up NY Will clean up the US Pity we dont have the guy here to clean up NZ

None of your soft cock wet arses. All hand wringing and apologising to shadows.

America need a great man to follow Dubya and Senior Bush.

Go Rudi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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December 21, 2007 10:58am
dog_eat_dog

Gd, I hope for the sake of anyone you associate with that your are trolling. You must be a very tiresome individual indeed.

I’m not sure about Obama but at least he is a fresh face.
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December 21, 2007 11:33am
wellybelly

DPF: “Oh I love Ron Paul but he won’t win a single delegate”

so Giuliani is the lesser of 9ish evils?
I suppose you couldn’t bring yourself to support a democrat, cause they are sooo far to the left of our National party…
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December 21, 2007 12:21pm
ghostwhowalks

Rudi , the great man!!
gd you are about as thick as they come
Rudi used an apartment provided for 9/11 rescuers to screw his mistress
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December 21, 2007 12:51pm
ghostwhowalks

Plus your great man seems to look much better in womans clothing… kissing Donald Trump
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8&feature=related
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December 21, 2007 12:57pm
BlairM

Rudi is already dead in the water. He won’t place well in Iowa or New Hampshire, so nobody will be talking about him. Expecting him to pick up delegates in the big states later is a foolish strategy on his part. Events will have overtaken him by that stage.

Huckabee will win Iowa and Romney will win New Hampshire, and those two will be the ones duking it out.

I’m not quite so pessimistic about Ron Paul as others may be. He has bought a half-hour tv special in Iowa and all he needs to do is come third there to make people sit up and notice. If he maintains that through New Hampshire and beyond he could start seriously challenging the other two. I’m realistic about the chance of that happening, but I think it’s actually more likely than Giuliani getting anywhere. His campaign is stalled at the start-line.
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December 21, 2007 1:20pm
roger nome

“DPF: “Oh I love Ron Paul but he won’t win a single delegate”

But he’s an isolationist/pacifist, and you’re a rabid expansionist hawk who believes in white house’s fantasy/lie about a highly sophisticated and oraganised international network of terrorists who want to destroy the west no?

Anyway I’ve just been watching a brilliant video which exposes that lie. Not that you’ll have the intellectual courage to watch it.

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/power_of_nightmares.php
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December 21, 2007 2:33pm
Redbaiter

“Not that you’ll have the intellectual courage to watch it.”

I doubt anybody clicks on your links you sad self obsessed deranged fuckwit.
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December 21, 2007 2:44pm
roger nome

“sad self obsessed deranged fuckwit.”

I wonder, do you ever look in the mirror Rabidbleater?
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December 21, 2007 2:48pm
PhilBest

DPF, how secure is this poll from rigging?

Or is there anything in particular about Obama that endears him to Kiwis other than the fact that it gives us the warm fuzzies to think of a black president of the US? (Hinamanu above – and I got this way about Jesse Jackson when I was a teenager). What would it be about his POLICIES, and do Kiwis even know anything about this?

By the way I would like to see a President Condi Rice one day.
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December 21, 2007 3:13pm
PaulL

Rice has disappointed. Colin Powell was who I wanted, but when I went to hear him speak recently he was very clear on his lack of desire to be (further) in politics. Which is yet another qualification for being in politics…
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December 21, 2007 3:31pm
reid

As I said above Ron Paul would get my vote. However, if you want my prediction, it’s McCain with Hukkabe as his deputy.

Well done roger nome for linking to The Power of Nightmares. I do so myself on this blog whenever I get the chance which is rarely. It’s a great alternative perspective to the war on terror. You might not buy into it yourself, but you should at least watch it.
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December 21, 2007 3:32pm
PaulL

Sorry, was that “well done roger for trolling”? Or “well done roger for link whoring”? I generally try to discourage those behaviours – I feel that people should use their own blogs if they want to post things that they think other people should see, particularly when you are going to be all sanctimonious about it. If you want to post on someone else’s blog, I feel that you owe the courtesy to stay on the topics that they choose.
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December 21, 2007 3:39pm
reid

Fair comment PaulL, and that’s precisely why I don’t post the link myself unless it’s on the topic – and it rarely is. But since roger nome already did, I took the opportunity in my post, the first part of which was on topic, to endorse it, since it’s a valuable but little-known perspective into one of the most important issues we face today.
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December 21, 2007 4:24pm
PaulL

Agree Reid – I was only getting at you for encouraging it, and getting at roger for his ongoing trolling.
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December 21, 2007 4:40pm
Rex Widerstrom

Ron Paul certainly seems to have some support in NZ! Who are these people, I wonder?
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December 21, 2007 6:25pm
reid

He’s got a lot of support from the internet generation Rex. Surprising when you consider he’s over 70.
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December 21, 2007 7:31pm
tom hunter

Since Roger lives in Dunedin and Reid (I think) lives in Chch the two of you should get together because, despite your political differences, you seem to have a lot in common.

Not that I want to encourage trolling BUT…. rather than than exhibiting …intellectual courage… perhaps you two could exercise some intellectual curiosity about the main man behind Nightmares.

Since I’m leaving to drive South now with my kids I do not have the time to go into more detail. However, other readers may wish to enquire further into previous efforts by Mr Paxman. I would recommend in particular A Higher Form of Killing, and especially the edition published in 2002.

Fascinating stuff, especially given the underlying messages being delivered here about intellects, propaganda and ‘the sheeple’.
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December 21, 2007 7:55pm
reid

I live in Eastbourne, Wgtn tom, and even though you don’t buy it, I’m glad you took the trouble to watch it. When you get the chance to reply, I’d be interested to discuss your specific objections to the material presented.
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December 21, 2007 8:46pm
Andrew W

“When you get the chance to reply, I’d be interested to discuss your specific objections to the material presented.”

Ditto
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December 21, 2007 10:01pm
Andrew W

I read an earlier edition of A Higher Form Of Killing about 18 months ago, I’m mystified by your comment Tom, as you appear critical of the book. What I read was a politically neutral and straight forward history of the development and use of chemical and biological weapons.
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December 21, 2007 10:11pm
Dazzaman

“Good luck Tauhei, Hillary’s support for failed US foreign policies is why she’s lagging in the polls.”

Not really, it’s the fact that she is a cold and calculating communist.
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December 22, 2007 5:57pm
Bodycount

Ron Paul: A New Hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA
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December 23, 2007 8:56am
Andrew W

New Zealand desperately needs a:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Paxman
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December 23, 2007 9:17am

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