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November 30, 2007 7:27am by David Farrar

Moreu on Key DVD

Heh Moreu is in fine form.

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Pascal

That made me smile 🙂
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November 30, 2007 7:49am
bwakile

Good to see you smiling this morning Pascal
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November 30, 2007 9:41am
Fletch

I think the cartoon that appeared in the Herald the other day (which strangely I can’t seem to find online) was very good, with Helen as a junkie tightening the rubber around her arm with her teeth and injecting a ‘POWER’ syringe into her arm and a bystander saying, something like, ‘be careful, look what happened to John Howard’.
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November 30, 2007 10:02am
Fletch

ps, I found it – LINK.
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November 30, 2007 10:17am
Pascal

Thanks bwakile, I’ve got heaps to smile about. Today makes me curious though – what are the laws regarding the use of cartoons such as this? I see them re-hosted on blogs all the time. Is that fair use in terms of copyright or how does it work?
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November 30, 2007 10:32am
John Dalley

Fletch.
Nice link, was ammusing to look at the other cartoons on that site.
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November 30, 2007 1:17pm
simo

They would love Moreu in Denmark, though I doubt he would last long with the Islamofascists running amok!
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November 30, 2007 2:12pm
David Farrar

I always link through to the original source, and they have never objected.
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November 30, 2007 3:22pm
Lee C

Victory for Tane!

He must be very pleased this morning:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10479448
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December 1, 2007 8:08am
sicoff

off course chris hocquard, music lawyer and greame downes, musicologist both sit on the centre left to left in the political spectrum so their opinions should be taken with grain of salt.

but really its not a good look to be seen using plagarised music, it is of course nothing to do with key, but rather the project managers and advisors, whom have cocked up.

perhaps next time they could use a local muscian to creative new zealand music, though finding a neoliberal muscian that can write creatively is itself a paradox in itself.
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December 1, 2007 8:24am
dad4justice

If I make this video a favourite on You Tube am I at risk of being culpable in offending ? Oh come on . What a load of litigation lawyer rubbish . I will make it a favourite and welcome any Court Action from wet play backwashed shrill puppets .
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December 1, 2007 8:33am
Craig Ranapia

but really its not a good look to be seen using plagarised music, it is of course nothing to do with key, but rather the project managers and advisors, whom have cocked up.

Really? With all due respect to Doctor Downes, I’ve long through his band – The Verlaines – and many other exponents of the so-called ‘Dunedin Sound’ owe twenty five years of back royalties to The Velvet Underground for the wholesale plundering of their musical language. I’m sure others, including Downes himself, would vigorously disagree but that’s what I hear.
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December 1, 2007 8:48am
Kent Parker

All art is based on plagiarism. The Impressionists all plagiarised Monet, the Cubists, Picasso, the Dadaists, Dali. Everyone plagiarised the Beatles, and once Jimi Hendrix plugged his guitar into the feedback, then everyone after him owed royalties (yeah right).

I think anyone who tries to make a case against this is on slim bikkies. ‘Clocks’ is a song, but there is no singing, no hint of the melody. It is only an introductory piece with some chords and rhythm. If you could copyright the 12 bar blues riff then you’be a multi-trillionaire by now. The question is: can you copyright a sound? I’ll leave that for the lawyers, thanks.

This has certainly distracted Moreau’s kids away from their homework!!
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December 1, 2007 9:45am
sicoff

craig

a sound is different to a song, disputes happen not because a band sounds like another band (coldplay vs snow patrol, joy division vs interpol, etc), its usually over sound. (or more recently sampling, think verves bittersweet symphony and the rolling stones)

songs are usually a product of the writers, a sound is (simplistically put) a product of the way the music is played by the band.

anyway, the dispute is over a song not a sound.
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December 1, 2007 9:47am
Craig Ranapia

sicoff:

Thanks for the patronising little musicology lecture. I stand by my original comment that if Messers Reed and Cale were feeling litigious, and had more money than sense, they could stay busy for years trawling through the Flying Nun back catalogue. What exactly the point would be, however, the beyond me.
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December 1, 2007 10:09am
big bruv

Can you imagine the screaming from the left if this was a Helen Clark U tube clip they were talking about.

The pinko’s would be howling at the biased right wing media.
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December 1, 2007 10:11am
dad4justice

hey big bruv, I heard the sub standard crew of redbus nitwits are doing a U tube clip featuring Auntie Helen to the music – Walk like an Egyptian ?
Here is hoping . Just imagine it – Helen doing the Middle East dance at the UN ?
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December 1, 2007 10:19am
big bruv

I noticed that Klark was attending the official opening of our new Embassy in Egypt, funnily enough she did not seem to be txting during that official function.
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December 1, 2007 10:44am
roger nome

Certainly not a good look for National. The similarities go far beyond a copying of style – and Craig. I play covers of both the verlains and the velvet underground, and am familiar with all of their released work. Suffice to say they’re stylistically similar, but there’s no exact copying of harmony and chord progression as there is with National’s version of “clocks”. Have these heathens no respect for property rights at all?
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December 1, 2007 12:42pm
sicoff

Craig Ranapia

you still don’t get it!!!, it’s an issue over a whole song not the sound of the band that played the song.

a few too many beers last night was it ?, can’t think straight this morning, you got one of those oversizede beer mugs on ya head ?
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December 1, 2007 1:13pm
Craig Ranapia

Sicoff:

You’re a real class act, fuckwit – I’m not only a recovering alcoholic but manic-depressive. Why don’t you slip a crack about ‘keep taking the pills’ into the next tanty?
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December 1, 2007 2:55pm
krazykiwi

Sicoff – contrition I hope.
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December 1, 2007 3:00pm
roger nome

“I’m not only a recovering alcoholic but manic-depressive.”

And out comes the victim card…..
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December 1, 2007 5:07pm
dad4justice

No roger you hold a stacked deck of victimhood cards marked by the supreme leader .
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December 1, 2007 5:11pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Phillip John/Roger Nome:

And out comes the victim card…..

Yes, you’re the victim of your own selective comprehension disorder. Can’t you see that Craig was responding to the implications in Sicoff’s post? No? Let’s walk you through Sicoff’s post slowly: “a few too many beers last night was it ?, can’t think straight this morning, you got one of those oversizede beer mugs on ya head ?”

Or is this really about Craig’s comment on another thread: “Anyway, hope the musical career goes better than the political analysis Mr. Nome.”

Why, as you said yesterday, you slimy little toad 🙂
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December 1, 2007 5:17pm
roger nome

POC:

There are thousands of recovering alcoholics in NZ – my partner being one of them. And yes, she’s understandably sensitive about it – however, if some stranger on a blog made an off the cuff remark about her seeming a bit jaded from a possible boozy night out she wouldn’t cynically use it against them in a point scoring exercise – obviously it wasn’t intended to be a personal jibe against Craig’s alcoholism.
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December 1, 2007 5:26pm
dad4justice

Hi my name is roger nome and Phillip John is my problem .Step One .
Couldn’t resist gnomer pile , sorry 🙂
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December 1, 2007 5:31pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Phillip John/Roger Nome:

[O]bviously it [presumably your comment?] wasn’t intended to be a personal jibe against Craig’s alcoholism.

It wasn’t obvious, but if it wasn’t your intention then fair enough.

Just so you’re aware, the reason I pounced on it: not everyone has an easy pathway through life, including your partner apparently, and I really do think there are some smears that are just beneath the internet.
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December 1, 2007 5:31pm
roger nome

Shit – you actually made sense then D4J! And you were funny to boot. A rare (semi)lucid moment perhaps? Keep it up dad!
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December 1, 2007 5:34pm
roger nome

POC – no I was refering to sicoff’s flip comment. My point was that he didn’t appear to know craig personally, so how could he have known about Craig’s alcaholism? IMHO it looks like Craig just jumped off the deep end without any good reason.
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December 1, 2007 5:41pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Phillip John/Roger Nome:

Actually I do seem to recall Craig mentioning this before, but perhaps not recently.
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December 1, 2007 5:47pm
Craig Ranapia

Roger Nome wrote:
And out comes the victim card…..

No, it’s called not being a cunt. I don’t have a very high opinion of George Hawkins as a politician, but I don’t take cheap shots at the way he talks – as his speech impediment is due to a severe stroke. And I could take some very low shots at a certain Labour MP whose serious drinking problem I’ve seen at first hand, but I don’t.

You want to disagree with what I say, that’s a fair shot. You want to indulge in snide bitching about my sobriety or mental health, well that’s a personal attack I’m not going to tolerate. And I find it rather amusing that the lefty trolls like to affect the moral high ground when it comes to folks like D4J, Redbaiter and Whale Oil but get very tetchy indeed when called on their own bullshit.
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December 2, 2007 12:56am
Craig Ranapia

BTW, Roger Nome, I’m not open about my alcoholism and manic depression to ‘play the victim card’. I do so because it’s just part of my life – and perhaps openness might convince a few more people to think before using something that has caused a lot of pain to me and my loved ones as a cheap put down. Perhaps I’m on a hiding to nothing with the wingnuts around here, but I don’t see why I should have to own other people’s idiocy.
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December 2, 2007 1:05am
mavxp

Craig,
Your posts on this blog keep it bearable – you come across as perhaps the most intelligent and reasoned person here. Why you put up with the wackos (clowns to the left and jokers to the right) is beyond me, but I suppose someone has to call them on their bullsh1t. I tip my hat to you sir!
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