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November 6, 2007 12:21pm by David Farrar

General Debate 6 November 2007

The Wellington fireworks were pretty damn good I have to say.

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Robyn E. Kenealy

I’m not a shrink, but I’ve got a good deal of experience dealing with angry people. Number one cause – feeling like they’re not being listened to. Number two cause: feeling like they’ve already burned all their bridges. I don’t believe we are born aggressive – D4j, to be honest, your rage might be more than I can handle, and I’m not sure I would trust you with my phone number just yet – but any time you post on here with something honest and non-defamatory, I will read it and respond.
But my post wasn’t a joke, if that’s what you’re driving at, Nick C.

ps: John- I take no issue with what you say about labour. I don’t like them much either, actually (but only cos they’re not left enough!) Only with what you said about an entire race of people.
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November 6, 2007 7:52pm
dad4justice

Sorry Robyn E. Kenealy love to chat darling , however Coro is on and me dog has got caught himself a jugular feed from the thief who was on home d living down the road , and to make matters even worse my cat was charged by police for unruly behaviour after she dropped on turd on a the local MP’s shoe .

I am sorry Lianne – lol – love to chat but my shoe is on the tap .
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November 6, 2007 7:53pm
Robyn E. Kenealy

Dad, I know you were being a bit sarky, but thanks for not really ripping into me. I was a bit worried that that you would.

I know words “can never hurt me” but they do scare me a bit sometimes, epecially when they’re really agro.

Hope you enjoy Coro.
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November 6, 2007 7:56pm
dad4justice

Scare you , no way , do you like boxing Mr Clark ?
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November 6, 2007 7:59pm
Robyn E. Kenealy

No. But I’m frightened of male aggression. Which is why I can’t understand the things you say about women. I am strong and I can stand up to it, but that doesn’t mean that when a man shouts at me I don’t immediately remermber that he is nearly always strong enough to kill me, should he decide to do so.

The things you write are like that kind of shouting. I’m not worried that you’ll really hurt me, but I feel a little bit sick when I read them.
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November 6, 2007 8:04pm
Psycho Milt

It’s fairly straightforward Robyn:

Dad4Justice
You can Google his comments going way back, and in between the keyboard version of Tourette’s Syndrome you can eventually discern that his life is fairly full of fucked-up shit that he’s probably gone to great and pointless lengths to bring down on his own head. The oppressive knowledge of that presumably accounts for the poisonous nature of most of his posts – he’s an intelligent man, so I don’t doubt he has a reasonable level of self-awareness, and it must hurt.

John:
Believed by some to be a sock-puppet of D4J’s, but I don’t credit that. He’s relatively new around here, but the constant SHOUTING and GREEVUSLY MISS-SBELLED WURDS tip us off to the presence of a “Common-or-Garden Ranting Loony.”
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November 6, 2007 8:06pm
dad4justice

Psycho Milt – nice words from a coward . What is your next act Mr Spineless ?
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November 6, 2007 8:09pm
Robyn E. Kenealy

Don’t talk to Psycho, Dad. Talk to me. How do you feel about what I wrote?
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November 6, 2007 8:11pm
dad4justice

Nearly forgot psycho milt , a question please before I forget , do you stab people in the back with a blunt knife or a sharp knife ” I am amazed you took the time to chat with me as I usually clash with your gutter mind on NZ Conservative or tbr . What brings such a twisted communist snake out tonight ?
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November 6, 2007 8:13pm
Robyn E. Kenealy

Are you ignoring me, Dad? If so, just let me know. I’m happy to talk here but I’m not going to waste time if you’re not going to answer.
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November 6, 2007 8:17pm
Psycho Milt

Avoiding work I should be doing, Dad. Given that you’re clearly present on this thread right now, how exactly does what I wrote constitute stabbing you in the back? It was clear enough you’d be there to read it and respond to it. Now, John – he’s copped one in the back…

Robyn’s put it all much nicer than I always do, but let me add my less-pleasant words to hers: might you not consider actually responding to another commenter rather than simply machine-gunning insults at them?
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November 6, 2007 8:20pm
dad4justice

Psycho Milt , you are one slippery customer whom I have clashed with since Sir Humphrey’s demish – and you are a big time slime ball . End of story .
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November 6, 2007 8:23pm
dad4justice

Demise Psycho, silly me, but you know all about that -eh bro !
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November 6, 2007 8:25pm
Robyn E. Kenealy

No, I see where you’re coming from. I’m pretty upset by all of this. I find it fairly incredible that someone with as many – well, look, I hope this isn’t totally offensive – I’m going to say rage problems, but I’m prepared to retract that – as you, Dad, has been encouraged to keep firing insults instead of… well, I don’t know. I don’t like that you just insult each other here.
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November 6, 2007 8:27pm
philu

ray the moderator squabbling wth commenters..

..and revealed as a rabid rightie..

(priceless..!..)

..the only time he voted labour was for rogernomics part two..

eh ray….?

and now he’s off to the boozer..!

oy..!..who’s minding the moderating-shop..?

lefties might get ‘uppity’..?

what on earth will happen if you aren’t there ‘to stem the red tide’.?

eh..?

btw..ray..make sure you have a cheezy pir with that piss..eh..?

(y’know..!..dor your health/waistline…?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

[rakaunui(moderation):: Philu I spend about 10 – 15% of the day looking at Kiwiblog
Life is too short for more. I will nearly always leave any comment in the General Debate threads alone as by definition most anything goes in there. However it allows me to be rather more active in clearing the space where commentors are actually debating on topic.]
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November 6, 2007 8:31pm
philu

make that ‘cheezy pie’..and ‘for your waistline’..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 6, 2007 8:33pm
Robyn E. Kenealy

Anyway, I’m gone.
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November 6, 2007 8:37pm
dad4justice

Hi phil , hows things in frog land , I hope all is l kewl dude ? I am sorry to say I can’t understand a word you said but who cares eh dude , go forward and move ahead in the right direction , whip it , whip it good .
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November 6, 2007 8:38pm
Psycho Milt

I guess I should thank you – nobody’s ever offered me such glamorous insults as “slippery customer” and “big-time slimeball” before.
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November 6, 2007 8:40pm
dad4justice

No problem psycho milt , however you have called me far worse , but as they say ; sticks and stones may break our bones – but names will never hurt us .

No hard feelings about the glamorous insults that are trivial in comparison to the corruption shown by a lost the plot Labour Gummint .

At the end of the day , we will ALL be far better of when the big bad witch is finally exposed for what she really is .
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November 6, 2007 8:46pm
hinamanu

I have found out he is a non entity.
He doesn’t exist. He is the persona of someones twisted PR imagination.
Therefore I can now ignore him and his split personality.

This is important, because it is depressing trying to match wits with the mad hatter and march hare. An exercise in absolute folly as Carroll was trying to teach the worls more subtley than orwell.

But this was Carrolls genius. when the political moral he was trying to teach became reality, the lesson is stark and bright as noon.

People, we are now lead by no less than the hatter and the hare

How prophetic and how historic. There was a german with an H too.
Nostradamus called him Hisler, one letter out.

The H was there!
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November 6, 2007 8:49pm
john

Robyn E,K, a nice poster, always remember males might sound forcefull, but they are not always nasty, unless they are wound up then its ,as it should be , bye,J
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November 6, 2007 9:04pm
john

psycho milt i its a stupid act ((spelling) like your stupid name , ,that is how it is , arsehole, psycho, are you trying to alert us to a medical problem, or are you the talking heads ,(phycho killer (NOT)
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November 6, 2007 9:13pm
hinamanu

On another note,,

Does anyone know if DPF was online tonight.

I was thinking he might’ve attended the IRD movie tonight

He seems to get invited to everything thats going and loving it

No signs of fatigue night or day.

well, middle age is till young these days eh. Middle age is like 55 now ?
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November 6, 2007 11:21pm
hinamanu

“Gosh I just read the rest of it – ‘Shooting off unpredictably!!!?” I mean, please!”

aww,

democracy mum never came again

Oops, did dit myself
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November 6, 2007 11:29pm
Pascal

Robyn:

1: Do you believe that everyone has equal opportunities for success and advancement under capitalism? And in what terms should these sucesses be measured?

Yes, I do beleive everyone has equal opportunities if they take a long term view of events rather than focussing on instant satisfaction.

I’ve posted this a few times, but compared to some I was born into a position that gave me more opportunities than most. This was not an accident, but the result of generations of hard work. My great grandfather was the equivalent of a ditch digger. And he worked himself to the bone to give my grandfather the opportunity to become a train driver. And that old man, whom I wish I knew better, worked to give my father the opportunity to become a mechanical engineer. And my daddy worked many nights, spending months away from my mother in the hinterlands on-site, so that I would have the opportunity to go to university and become a software developer. And now I am applying myself as hard as possible, pulling 12 to 16 hour days so that my daughter will have an even brighter future than I do. Did.

That to me represents capitalism, with the thought of family, not of self behind it.

What is success and how should it be measured? That differs from person to person. A billionare’s definition of success will be vastly different from mine. But will he be happier when he meets his goals than I am when I’ve met mine? I don’t think so. So, to me success is the achievement of goals that are on the boundaries of one’s abilities. Whatever those goals might be.

2: Do you believe that competition is a true indication of human nature?

No, however we do require competition for advancement.

3: Do you believe that people are more likely to commit crimes without a strong deterrent, such as tough prison terms?

Yes, I do. This might sound strange, but you only need to look at video games to see how this is true. In online games where players are as anonymous as they are on a blog you will see the worst forms of behavior possible. Insults that make D4J look like a nun, gouging, theft, harassment and the utter dregs of human behavior.

Why do people step so far outside of their normal behavioral patterns? Because they do not have checks on them. The threat of punishment for behaving badly is not there, so they succumb to their innate desires.

Yes, some have a healthy respect for humanity and plays nicely with others, but the majority do not.

4: Do you think the general right wing pattern, such as illustrated by Sarko in France, has a Christian basis, in the sense that it is predicated on some sense of eventual judgement for one’s hard work? And if so, would you consider this a protestant influence?

No, I do not think so.

5: Do you think there are places where people can interact without an imbalance of power, and if so, where?

No, there will always be an people of greater or lesser power. To me that seems natural as there are always leaders and followers, no matter what you do. However, to characterise that as an imbalance seems a tad harsh. There’s an old Sheryl Crow song that has a rather beautiful line in it:

“It’s not having what you want It’s wanting what you’ve got”

Imbalances only happen when people start seeing things as unfair. In reality they are not. The person who has more power arrived at that position through a combination of luck, hard work (over generations / time). The same innate potential falls within everyone and to somebody who is perceived as being on the bottom end of the scale there is the opportunity to create the leverage that will see them at the top end in a few generations.

But people don’t think that way. They see “Person X is powerful” and immediately desire the same for themselves. They do not consider that it might not yet be their time, that it will come either in a future existence for them or in a future generation for their family.

6: What is the best indication of how “well” a country is doing?

Happiness amongst all it’s people.
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November 7, 2007 7:51am
Pascal

john: Robyn E,K, a nice poster, always remember males might sound forcefull, but they are not always nasty, unless they are wound up then its ,as it should be , bye,J

Nonsense. D4J is a frothing lunatic that flings insults like a monkey flings poop. And being wound up is no reason for behaving badly, unless you are unable to control your emotions and your behavior. In which case, anger management might be a good idea.

Robyn, do not dare to give your phone number to D4J. The man is mad, he threatens physical violence against people and has done so repeatedly against Roger Nome. I would not want to wonder what could potentially happen to you should you say something to annoy him, especially if he has your phone number. Don’t take the risk, please.
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November 7, 2007 7:53am
hinamanu

“Nonsense. D4J is a frothing lunatic that flings insults like a monkey flings poop. And being wound up is no reason for behaving badly, unless you are unable to control your emotions and your behavior. In which case, anger management might be a good idea.

Robyn, do not dare to give your phone number to D4J. The man is mad, he threatens physical violence against people and has done so repeatedly against Roger Nome. I would not want to wonder what could potentially happen to you should you say something to annoy him, especially if he has your phone number. Don’t take the risk, please.”

Just to repeat for safeties sake.
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