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November 2, 2007 9:01am by David Farrar

General Debate 2 November 2007

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Robinsod

Good stuff – I’ve been looking forward to one of these since I was un-banned. Let’s start by talking about where the donations to KTB are coming from. Or perhaps about whether DPF will be covering the Labour party conference this weekend or about the interesting bit in the Molesworth about how work rights are gonna be a major issue next year and how National better start panicking about that… God the choice is endless!
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November 2, 2007 9:42am
david

Nah,
Lets talk about how sod, Tane, nome et al can afford to spend so much time at their computers and whether or not they are on benefits or just stealing their employer;’s bandwidth and time?

And where is sonic? in jail? fled the country? got lost up his own kilt trying to find heaven on earth? where oh where?
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November 2, 2007 9:48am
vto

lets talk about beautiful women!

or, given that sort of thing is frowned upon these days (publicly anyway), how about why that silly tv program “How to look good naked” only ever has less attractive types in the nude. If they want to know ho to look good naked, just get a Jessica Alba or a Rachel Hunter to show them
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November 2, 2007 9:53am
Robinsod

Y’see David – I try to start a sensible debate and you just get all personal. That’s why they call this place the bog – ‘cos of swampy creatures like y’self.
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November 2, 2007 9:55am
Bevan

Y’see David – I try to start a sensible debate and you just get all personal.

Mr Pot meet Mr Kettle.

That’s why they call this place the bog – ‘cos of swampy creatures like y’self.

No, its more likely because of all the sewage that flows from you when you are around.
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November 2, 2007 10:01am
Chuck Bird

At present if someone tests HIV positive they are not obliged to tell any of their past sexual partners and the authorities are not even allowed to inform say a married man’s wife.

This means someone who has been at high risk will not get tested and have an opportunity to take drugs that will very much improve there quality of life and outcome. It will also mean that if the person who is notified will get tested and be very unlikely to pass on the virus.

The AIDS Foundation has been consistently opposed to HIV being classed as a notifiable disease. In other words a homosexual or bisexuals right to privacy trumps other people’s lives and public health.

No doubt I will be attacked by liberals and called a homophobe because they cannot com up with a logical argument.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=126763

Rising AIDS worries morals group
2/11/2007 7:16:03

A Christian morality group wants HIV to be classified as a notifiable disease, after a total of 177 people were diagnosed with the virus last year.

The status would make it mandatory for doctors to notify health authorities of a patient’s condition, which is then entered into a nationwide database.

Society for Promotion of Community Standards spokesman David Lane says the spread of HIV is at a crisis point, and it needs to be given notifiable status to reduce the risk posed to the community. He says it is the only way to stop the spread of HIV.

David Lane says the gay community is doing a lot to try and avert the crisis, but admits the safe sex message is not working.
70 of the new infections were identified among gay men, and the Aids Foundation is welcoming a debate on the idea.

Chief Executive Rachael Le Mesurier says the Ministry of Health is drafting a Bill looking at making HIV a notifiable disease. She says while she is looking forward to discussing the issue, she is wary some moral watch groups will use it as a platform to criticise homosexuals.

Mr Lane is also concerned about a new ‘rapid’ HIV test, which gives results back in 20 minutes.

Aids Foundation centres across the country are offering the test, which it describes as ‘revolutionary’, but David Lane says it is giving people a false sense of security. He says HIV has a dormancy period of eight weeks, and unless people do not refrain from sex in that time frame, before the test, the results are worthless.

Mr Lane says the Aids Foundations needs to properly inform people about how the test works.
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November 2, 2007 10:02am
Robinsod

Bev – you never told me if you passed school c – I know it’s been a month or so since I last asked, have you got an answer yet or should I just ask your mum?
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November 2, 2007 10:09am
dad4justice

Excuse me Robinsod , one question please, it I may ?

What psychiatric ward are you in because I would like a tiny wee word to your Sigmund, so we can increase the voltage just a smidgen ?
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November 2, 2007 10:14am
philu

so..eating meat is killing you/giving you cancers..

(that’s now proven..)

and the recent (under-publicised) auckland university-proven dangers of consuming dairy products..

dairy is responsible for ‘thickening our blood’..and causing/heart/stroke/diabetes/hypertension problems..

(and explains our world-beating’ rates of these diseases/ailments.)

(that now..also all proven..)

the production of it..meat..and dairy..

..not only causes institutional barbaric/cruel practises/tortures of those animals eaten..

(widely ‘proven’..)

but is also causing over 50% of our environmental/climatechange filthy/degraded/polluted waterways..

(this also widely proven..)

given all the above ‘provens’..

how on earth could/can anyone claim to be an ‘environmentalist/green..?

to care about the planet’..

and what we are (very very fast) doing to it..

and still think it is ‘ok’ to still farm/eat animals..?

could someone explain that to me..?

and i know you can’t..

there are no excuses you could profer that could add even the slightest shred of credibility to any claims to justify these ongoing barbarisms..

are there..?

i mean..how much more ‘evidence’ do you need/want..?

before you’ll ‘mend yr ways’..

eh..?

yes..!..i’m talking to you..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 2, 2007 10:17am
Buggerlugs

Vto –
Having Jess or Rach would defeat the purpose. Reality TV is all about humiliation. And it’s much more fun for the producers to humiliate someone who’s already halfway there off their own bat, as they’re more likely to cry/swear/throw things. Plus I don’t think they could improve on Jessica Alba…
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November 2, 2007 10:19am
Robinsod

Dad – I’m not your enemy. Why do you abuse me?
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November 2, 2007 10:21am
Buggerlugs

“and still think it is ‘ok’ to still farm/eat animals..?”

They taste better than tofu, you can’t barbecue spinach, and they taste better than tofu.
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November 2, 2007 10:22am
philu

oh..!..i forgot the booze..!

just one drink a day for ladies..

and two for men..

(whoar..!..eh..?..)

and of course..(only) 500 grams of meat..a week..eh..?

whoar..!..that’s hardly the sizre of ‘a decent steak’..eh..?

and how are you all measuring up..?

to these new/loud imperatives..?

eh..?

still planning on sticking to your ‘death-for-all-diets’..?

and still feeding good about feeding (now-proven) cancerous poisons to your children/families..?

just go vegan..!..eh..?

how many more signposts do you need..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 2, 2007 10:26am
Bevan

Bev – you never told me if you passed school c – I know it’s been a month or so since I last asked, have you got an answer yet or should I just ask your mum?

How about we swap details, get together for a beer and I’ll outline my results over a Tui, or a Speights if you are so inclined.

Dont worry, whilst at school I was never one to be active during PE…..
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November 2, 2007 10:26am
philu

and of course..

(it goes without saying..(?)

ditch the piss..!

and if you need to..

turn to the ‘umble ‘erb’..!

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 2, 2007 10:29am
vto

buggerlugs – true re improvements on jessica alba. what about someone not quite perfect but getting there. one of the gorgeous tv presenters currently ‘on offer’.

philu – good points but you miss the main point. man has been eating meat for who knows how long. continue your campaign but I imagine changing that will take an evolutionary period. Or, if you’re right just get the govt to ban meat!
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November 2, 2007 10:29am
Bevan

Hey, have you heard the report – support for decriminalisation is down to 1 in 5 people……..

BTW, dont you think that all that smoke going into your lungs from toking the weed would be worse when it come to cancer causing substances?
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November 2, 2007 10:31am
Bevan

Oh that was meant to be Hey Phil,…..
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November 2, 2007 10:31am
Robinsod

Bev – are you threatening me? ‘Cos if you are I don’t mind but the moderators might.
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November 2, 2007 10:35am
dad4justice

“Dad – I’m not your enemy. Why do you abuse me?”

Abuse , I haven’t started yet you cunning flibbertigibbet @!
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November 2, 2007 10:36am
Buggerlugs

Actually Phil, the real point is that we’re all dying from the moment we’re popped out, so why not enjoy a good steak, a beer, and go out satisfied?
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November 2, 2007 10:37am
dad4justice

In the red corner robinsod and d4j in the blue corner . Ding , ding , porno queen jumps on d4j after a right hay maker sends a troll through the roof . Police have yet to find the projectile as it may have landed in the sewage ponds ?
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November 2, 2007 10:39am
Bevan

Bev – are you threatening me? ‘Cos if you are I don’t mind but the moderators might.

Since when is inviting someone for a beer threatening? man you must find it real hard to make friends with that attitude.
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November 2, 2007 10:41am
dad4justice

Don’t read anything phil writes buggerlugs, as you have to be on acid to understand any of his dribble .
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November 2, 2007 10:42am
Robinsod

Oh, ok Bev, if you’re for real you can email me on mickyporton@hotmail.com (I probably should be giving out my real name but I trust you guys) and we’ll go out for a few. I live in Wellington but travel a lot so I’m sure we can catch up some time.

Dad – you are threatening me and I appreciate it if you didn’t. I’m sure you understand.
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November 2, 2007 10:47am
Seamonkey Madness

Screw all this other fetid trolling: we, the poeple want to know!!

<b>IS DAVID P. FARRAR GOING TO GROW A ‘TACHE FOR MOVEMBER?!</b>

[DPF: No chance, ever!]
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November 2, 2007 10:47am
Robinsod

I meant “should not”!
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November 2, 2007 10:47am
dad4justice

“Dad – you are threatening me and I appreciate it if you didn’t. I’m sure you understand.”

Well robinsod , or should I say mickey porton , no threats , I am far too clever for your trap mate . Moderators watch me like a hawk , I like walking on the edge, as if you’re not living on the edge your taking up to much space on this planet . Please don’t and try play the victimhood -look David Farrar he abused me card . You will learn one day what a fool you are, however until then we have to read your crap . You have a big bag of dirty tricks , but I understand my enemy very well .
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November 2, 2007 10:57am
Bevan

I meant “should not”!

Robinsod, if you are only 15, you should not be giving out your email address on the Internet!

Silly silly boy.
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November 2, 2007 11:00am
Chicken Little

Robinsod lol, disassembler.

The Crazy Monkey from the Sea has asked the question we all want the answer to.

I’m growing one. My husband doesn’t like it much though. 🙂
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November 2, 2007 11:01am
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

Apart from the Fart Tax fiasco, Labour had really little to say about Climate Change, but suddenly found it last Labour Conference when little else but Phillip Field promised to dominate their weekend. Now is Trevor’s honesty to be a big issue this weekend, after Helen’s rewriting of history [be it only a week old] or do they really have anything more exciting to hang a conference around?
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November 2, 2007 11:01am
Robinsod

Why not Bev?
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November 2, 2007 11:02am
dad4justice

Is Robinsod James Sleep ?
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November 2, 2007 11:05am
Robinsod

Dad – I’ve said nothing bad to you why are you attacking me?
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November 2, 2007 11:06am
dad4justice

Are you James Sleep ?
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November 2, 2007 11:07am
cubit9f

So Peter Williams QC believes the Police may have committed acts of Terrorism at Ruatoki.

Another opportunity for him to take up a cause to push his own persona.
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November 2, 2007 11:14am
Billy

Like David, I have been wondering where Sonic is. I notice he posted on HW three days ago. Hope the little guyis OK.
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November 2, 2007 11:15am
Seamonkey Madness

What do we want?
DPF’s mo!
When do we want it?
NOW!!
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November 2, 2007 11:19am
Bevan

Peter Williams QC

Who is he?
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November 2, 2007 11:32am
Chicken Little

I think one of those ‘Mexican Bandit’ numbers would suit DPF.
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November 2, 2007 11:47am
david

philu
How can you justify all those GHGs going into the atmosphere every time you light up. and the CO2 that comes from the composting of the woody bits and the gas from the bic? Naughty little greenie!

Why not feed the weed to the cows and get high on a bit of steak!
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November 2, 2007 12:01pm
Sam Dixon

“Individual rights at some point must give way”

John Key

hmm.
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November 2, 2007 1:15pm
Bevan

Context Mr Dixon, sometimes a quote is worthless without one.
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November 2, 2007 1:19pm
helmet

Yes Robinsod, obviously, everyone is threatening you.

I mean, read all the violent threatening comments up there, I’m surprised you even had to check if that’s what they meant.
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November 2, 2007 1:19pm
helmet

“Individual rights at some point must give way”

Yeah scary stuff. Silly bugger John Key, he really should have said “under a national government, individuals have the right to do whatever they like”.

These lefty morons get stupider every day.
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November 2, 2007 1:23pm
Max Call

Billy Says:
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:15 am
“Like David, I have been wondering where Sonic is. I notice he posted on HW three days ago. Hope the little guyis OK.”

it is exam time at uni at the moment….
maybe he is studying?
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November 2, 2007 1:30pm
Sam Dixon

Molesworth Featherston reckons Labour will run hard on work rgihts next year and have a “scare campaign that says National will cut pay and conditions”

scare campaign?

We only need to look at the stats, history, and National’s statements to see its true.

Under National, wages rose more slowly, especially for those on low incomes. http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?cat=37

Work rights were reduced by the ECA, they privitised ACC and were going to make the 3rd week of annual leave saleable.

And still they constantly go on about reducing ‘labour costs’, 80% of which in New Zealand is wages. They know they have no policy to raise wages, that’s why they have to try to bribe us with tax cuts instead.

But is a tax cut worth a pay cut from National?
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November 2, 2007 1:31pm
vto

A bit of blue and a bit of red. Bring on the Purple Party!
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November 2, 2007 3:40pm
FighterPilott

Not sure if anyone saw it, but earlier on the Herald online was screaming that there’s a “Convicted Murder on the Loose” now it’s a “Convicted AXE Murderer on the loose”. Wholly shit!
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November 2, 2007 3:57pm
Sam Dixon

Odds of being murdered last year in New Zealand – 1 in 90,000

Odds of being murdered by someone unknown to you last year in NZ – 1 in 250,000

Odds of being murdered by a guy you don’t know who killed his wife while he is on the run from the law – priceless?
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November 2, 2007 5:27pm
Buggerlugs

Gee, I hope Peter Williams QC’s house isn’t burgled while he’s ripping off the natives in Ruatoki. I suspect the attending police would be lining up to take a dump on the carpet before blaming the burglars…what a fucking leech.
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November 2, 2007 6:25pm
hinamanu

“Or, if you’re right just get the govt to ban meat!”

they’re getting around to it , but they gotta work on the kids b4 the adults.

Remember, they did talk bout taxing takeaways.

It all has to be done slowly, bit by bit. its called….
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November 2, 2007 7:11pm
hinamanu

“Or, if you’re right just get the govt to ban meat!”

they’re getting around to it. But they gotta work on the kids b4 the adults.

you know like school tuck shops. Interesting they backed away on taxing takeaways.

But bit by bit, and slow change, the country is being channelled beneath our noses. Could you imagine if someone from the middle seventies was moved directly forward to 2007. They would have a culture shock that would break their heart. and no one would definitely believe you if you were to go back and tell them. And the silly trhing is no one knows the process even has a name…. Fabian Socialism.

Ask anyone on Radio Pacific, they won’t have an inkling what you’re on about. Just call you a conspiracy nut.

Do you think politicians just leave everything up to chance and tomorrows another day??
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November 2, 2007 7:19pm
hinamanu

IS DAVID P. FARRAR GOING TO GROW A ‘TACHE FOR MOVEMBER?!”

Seen the latest tui….

Ginger mo’s are in … yeah right

He He
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November 2, 2007 7:32pm
Steve

About Robinsod,
Why don’t you people just ignore this person? Whoever this person is should act their age not shoe size.
Robinsod is here to disrupt and provoke and insult, yet any insult back is met with more provocation or insult.
See this person on monday morning? not likely, I will be working and paying tax to keep the non productive people in employment.
Get a life and do some real work Robinsod.
That means 10 hours and 30 min for lunch.
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November 2, 2007 8:00pm
Inventory2

Lighten up Steve – I used to think that about Robinsod too (back when he was Robinson), but you can actually have a reasonable discussion with him if you get past all the crap!
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November 2, 2007 11:00pm
Robinsod

Thanks IV2.

Steve – “act their age not shoe size”? What are you like 12 years old? I’m interested to know you’ve got a job that takes up 10 1/2 hours of your day. Could your lack of work/life balance explain your embittered and intolerant attitude? Perhaps you should take a break and stop and smell the flowers ‘cos bro, nobody else is gonna do it for you and we’re all dead a very long time.
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November 3, 2007 1:58pm
Steve

Robinsod,
At 1.58pm you posted – What are you like 12 years old?
Replies from you are met with yet another insult.
For your information I have just turned 55, happy birthday to me.
Now if you will just stop acting like a child, you won’t be treated as a child.
Try and be a nice person instead of provoking.

Steve
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