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November 13, 2007 7:10am by David Farrar

General Debate 13 November 2007

So who is the Shortland Street serial killer?

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Inventory2

Helen Clark?

Seriously though – a heads-up – Helen Clark is doing talkback on Newstalk ZB Wellington just after the 9am news today. 1035AM or http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz (pick the Wellington feed) – if anyone wants to ask her questions it’s 04-472-1035
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November 13, 2007 7:19am
philu

tame iti..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 13, 2007 7:20am
checkthefacts

Actually Helen says she didn’t do it. She says the murderer is the 1980s reforms. Winston Peters disagreed and said it was an immigrant.
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November 13, 2007 7:23am
Inventory2

Nah phil – tame doesn’t believe in violence!
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November 13, 2007 7:24am
Inventory2

If Helen’s denying it, she must be guilty – she couldn’t lie straight in bed (Helen in bed – scary thought!!!)
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November 13, 2007 7:25am
dad4justice

Shortland Street thinks its cool to promote a story line where a 14 year old is in a sexual relationship with a older person ? What sick writers !!

WTF , I thought the charge reads in the Crime Act ; Sexual Violation and Unlawful Sexual Connection with a child under the age of 17 years .

It is indeed a sick society that condones the perpetrators of sexual abuse against vulnerable minors through the media . Shortland street is just another socialist tentacle of a liberal government trying to eradicate acceptable standards, values and morals in our communities .
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November 13, 2007 7:32am
dad4justice

And Helen Clark should be in prison !!
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November 13, 2007 7:33am
Inventory2

Anyone else noticed that the anti-Terrorism Supression Act hikoi is going to get from Taneatua in the Eastern Bay of Plenty to Wellington in just two days? Either they are walking very briskly, or it is a very “pakeha” hikoi!
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November 13, 2007 7:45am
Pascal

What 14 year old, D4J? As to the killer – I’m still thinking Joey.
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November 13, 2007 7:50am
dad4justice

Its a wonder Helen Clark didn’t celebrate the launch of the hikoi at the Ch Ch Cathedral like she did with the hikoi of hope ? Who said politics and Church don’t sleep in the same bed ? Talk about unholy alliances ?
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November 13, 2007 7:51am
Sofia

How does TV3 have ‘leaked’ information on the ‘terrorism’ case?

Is Helen Clark in contempt of court for her comments?

How can a case for Tuhoe compensation be considered when the police may not now present the evidence they had to justify their actions?

What exactly prompted Commissioner Broad to act when he did?

Is it correct that the investigations cost approximately $ 8 million and who is accountable for that considering the law is unworkable?

Does Tame Iti, who claims to have bought back a message from Frank Bananarama for Helen Clark, admit that in fact he was deported from Fiji? And if that is true, what else of Tame’s claims are untrue?

Why did Collins not advise police earlier that they couldn’t prosecute when he knew earlier [supposedly by a month] what some of the evidence was?

Why do I upset myself so early in the morning?
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November 13, 2007 7:58am
dad4justice

Lots of good questions Sofia, and I would love to ask Helen Clark everyone of them . Talk about a cess pit nation of fools being dictated to by an unscrupulous Prime Minister and her bent cabinet !!
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November 13, 2007 8:01am
pdm

re the 14 year olds relationship on Shortland Street.

About 7 or 8 years ago a friends 15 year old daughter moved in with a 21 year old with the consent of his mother. The girls mother went to both the Police and WINZ (or whatever it was called then) to lay complaints. Neither wanted to know about a complaint of what in my day’ was known as `Unlawful Carnal Knowledge’. Nor would they take any action to return the girl to her home because she was said to be a consenting party yet there was clear manipulation by two much older people.
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November 13, 2007 8:26am
Inventory2

pdm – was that the case where CYFS actively helped the girl to “divorce” her parents?
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November 13, 2007 8:32am
dad4justice

The law is , sexual Violation and Unlawful Sexual Connection with a child under the age of 17 years , the old carnal knowledge charge . Police are extremely reluctant to charge offenders on this rap and CYFS actually place minors into the custody of sexual predators , for example , a young girl 14years old was raped by CYFS caregiver in Timaru . I watched the filth go down at trial in Ch Ch . I yelled abuse at the scum after sentence was passed . He is in prison on the protective wing with all the other sicko’s !!
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November 13, 2007 8:39am
vto

sofia – “Why do I upset myself so early in the morning?”

Because it is upsetting. We get thumped with their heavy laws and consequences (eg tax rules) and their intrusive nature (eg anti-smacking, fireworks restrictions, etc) all day every day. They infi;trate our lives more than is reasonable.

Then they have the gall to lie and take hypocrisy to quite unbelievable levels and avoid obvious questions and give less-than-completely-honest answers to issues that directly affect our daily lives.

You have every right ot be upset. If it was someone else (neighbour, local idiot, boss, colleague, etc, etc) they would rightly be called to account quicksmart.

I been wondering this – The hoary old argument that pollies need to be paid mroe to attract good people has actually had the opposite effect. The money actually now attracts types that would otherwise be lost causes instead of those that see it as a public service – which is what it is.
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November 13, 2007 8:42am
Lee C

My prediction for the day – after looking at Helen’s ‘won’t back down over the EFB’ stance unfold –

This issue will split the Labour Party.
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November 13, 2007 8:45am
Falafulu Fisi

Phil U said… tame iti..?

I am sure that the psychics from the Sensing Murder TV program revealed that to you Phil.
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November 13, 2007 8:46am
pdm

Inventory2 – was this the case …………………..

No. I am not sure if CYFS even got involved. The girl eventually returned home and was then hounded by the 21 year old and his mother for about 6 months.

No authority took any action whatsoever.
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November 13, 2007 8:46am
david

I2 – I’ll bet the police aren’t game to stop the hikoi ande check the vehicles for Registration and WOF! A couple of breath tests of the drivers wouldn’t go astray either

General – Has anyone noticed a trend whereby the “guilty by use of language” is consistent and widespread on the part of the lefties. 2 examples
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November 13, 2007 8:49am
Brian (Shadowfoot)

Do you think the serial killer will accept a contract for the person in the advertising department who accepts the advertisements which yell and scream at the viewer?
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November 13, 2007 8:57am
david c

“I’ll bet the police aren’t game to stop the hikoi ande check the vehicles for Registration and WOF! A couple of breath tests of the drivers wouldn’t go astray either”

Why would some breath tests not go astray David? And why should the checks be done on WOFs and Regos? Is it because they’re Maori and thus must be drunk in charge of an illegal vehicle?

What colour’s ya neck David?
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November 13, 2007 8:57am
david

OOOps need to finish:

1. The EFB matter is increasingly being defined by the lkeft as a let vs right issue. IMHO this is an attempt to paint it simply as a good vs bad identification which is really easy to grab hold of without any thought rather than a matter of Freedom of Speech matter which is a bit more difficult and requires some intellectual application but in the long run will be longer lasteing and will hold much more passion about positions.

2. I noticed Lila Harre yesterday several times repeated the mantra “National’s well filled war chest” and “the well financed campaign against the EFB” Both these statements went unchallenged. Helen Clark has repeated these same two statements in interviews. Anyone making these statements needs to be challenged and asked for details and proof. KTB has been open about it’s funds and funders – one can hardly call it “well financed”. John Boscowen is spending his own (tax paid) money, again not a case of well financed (by implication by big business whatever that is).

These attempts to dismiss the argument with vague reference to implications o something sinister need to be laid open and the perpetrators challenged to furnish evidence of their statements or admit that they are made up and without foundation. It falls in the same bag as “American Bagmen” and “Policies written in Washington” just shit being flung.
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November 13, 2007 8:59am
vto

hey. rednecks are no more racist than any other group in the country.

rednecks get unfairly pilloried at every turn. they only have red necks because they work outside in the sun. you know – digging ditches to carry your sewer, building roads for you to drive on, building houses for you to sleep at night in.

stop being so ‘racist’ yourself david c
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November 13, 2007 9:01am
david c

“hey. rednecks are no more racist than any other group in the country.”

Boom! Well played sir/maam
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November 13, 2007 9:03am
david

david c – no I was speculating that the police will stay well away as the negative publicity of any interference with the Hikoi (whether justified or not) would be too great for the government to contemplate. Are they all Maori? I though Minto and his band of merry rent-a-mob welfare-fed protesters would be along for the ride.
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November 13, 2007 9:03am
david

playing the “racial victim” card should be your last resort david c rather than your first. Perhaps we should develop a version of Godwin (Godwit anyone?) to describe this situation.!!!
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November 13, 2007 9:06am
david c

“A couple of breath tests of the drivers wouldn’t go astray either”

The inference being…that those in the Hikoi will be drunk.

Now you are back pedalling.

Stick to your guns! You think the Hikoi will be filled with drunk people in dodgey cars!
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November 13, 2007 9:07am
david c

“playing the “racial victim” card should be your last resort david c”

no, being a racist should be your last resort.
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November 13, 2007 9:08am
david

And yes I do happen to have a red neck today, resulted from drinking some Lion Brown in the sun on Sunday without a hat on.
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November 13, 2007 9:08am
vto

what colour is your neck david c and how did it get thay way?
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November 13, 2007 9:14am
hinamanu

“This issue will split the Labour Party.”

You would think so. I can ubnderstand staunch commy socialists uniting under the banner of the EFB. This hikoi has a huge potential to explode in faces, the govts being the first. this could escalate weel beyond the protests o fhte Springboks tour.

Labour is definitely out if this becomes reality. Too many bad and supressive agenda’s magnified. ‘Through the looking glass’ in fact.
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November 13, 2007 9:16am
Reg

Question Re: EFB

With Helen’s sudden enthusiasm for “phone-tapping” in respect to Terrorism legislation, I’ve been wondering whether the EFB will allow (tacitly or otherwise) authorities to intercept communications if the believe persons or a group may be intending to flout electoral restrictions?

I note that section 121(1),(2) of the Bill allows for a search warrant to be issued even when an illegal practice is only “suspected to have been” or “believed to be intended to be committed”.

My question is: will this allow (or even give tacit approval) to the Police to tap phones and intercept electronic communications in order to prove a basis for requesting a search warrant under section 198 of the Summary Proceedings Act 1957?

Anyone know?
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November 13, 2007 9:24am
Lee C

I – Hinamanu:
imagine the centre-right in the Labour Party and the Centre left. The way that they will have to polarise around Helen’s support of the EFB. Loyalty to Helen’s inner sanctum in the hope of joining it versus electoral suicide and the wilderness under Goff??

Tough choice. I can imagine the hitherto timid cliques beginning to form, and discuss how they might wxtricate themselves from Helen’s scorched-earth policy.

I like this I’m gonna copy it on the other thread.
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November 13, 2007 9:31am
krazykiwi

reg, your question will invite tin-foil taunts from the left… but that aside i’d suggest that Helen has been A+ at using multiple piece of seemingly unrelated legislation to deliver on a secret agenda. i’m interested in our resident legal beagles’ response(s) to your question.
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November 13, 2007 9:32am
ManukauMum

Sofia – about TV3’s leaked information:
TV3 the other night (Friday?) promoted Campbell Live in the middle of the news to say JC would present some of the things the police knew before the raids. There were I think 4 bullet points. One was “use of an Al Queda training manual” but I can’t remember the rest. By the time it got to 7pm JC said TV3’s lawyer had been told they had better not run the story!
Anyone else remember the other bullet points?
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November 13, 2007 9:35am
Buggerlugs

Does anyone still watch Shortland Street? A more pertinent question is which Minister is going to get the biggest kicking at Question Time today.

I’m going for Cullen.
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November 13, 2007 9:38am
helmet

Bug- Cullen should get a kicking, but none of the Nats seem smart enough to ask tough questions, and definitely none are clever or witty enough to embarrass Cullen. He may be a hopeless finance minister and a pompous prick, but he can think on his feet. The Nats always sound scripted and insincere.
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November 13, 2007 9:59am
Buggerlugs

True – perhaps Kiwibloggers should start bombarding Opposition spokespeople with our proposed parliamentary questions – I know backbenchers usually put thru written questions I send them…just a quick word on style, you can’t use the words ‘scum sucking leeches’ you have to use ‘Labour’ instead. It’s in the Clerk’s office style book.

[DPF: If you do, send them through by 7 am so it is in time for morning meetings]
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November 13, 2007 10:09am
Brownie

But Helmut, it’s tough to fire off riposts when the speaker allows endless anti nat rhetoric but penalises the question maker exhorbitantly.

Never forget that M Wilson supports her party in everyway possible. Geez, I think even John Hunt was less partisan.
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November 13, 2007 10:09am
Reg

KK , yes it would be good if we could get a definitive answer re :Phone tapping.

If for instance; Police were “legitimately” intercepting communications of a protest group on the basis they were suspected of planning civil disobedience or violent protest and discovered they weren’t, but were intending to breach electoral law, would they not then be aware of an illegal activity “believed to be intended to be committed” under Section 121(1)(c) and be able to obtain a search warrant as a result of that espionage?

I fear the waters are becoming very muddy and the fact is that corruption and the abuse of power flourish in a legally murky environment.

Is Graeme Edgeler out there somewhere?
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November 13, 2007 10:12am
Inventory2

Brownie said “Never forget that M Wilson supports her party in everyway possible. Geez, I think even John Hunt was less partisan.”

Brownie, I have said several times recently that Margaret Wilson is the most inept Speaker in my memory since the late Dr Gerry Wall. She is certainly the most partisan.
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November 13, 2007 10:18am
Buggerlugs

Watching Wilson in Parliament reminds me of that old losing rugby captain’s saying: “They had 16 players out on the field today.”

She is worse than incompetent and it’s showing even more now she hasn’t got David McGee to protect her.
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November 13, 2007 10:22am
Inventory2

She got shown up badly last week over the Fairbrother question, and the new Clerk actually “overruled” her when Gerry Brownlee challenged her ruling by way of point of order.
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November 13, 2007 10:37am
Sofia

” This issue will split the Labour Party. ”

So how does a member like Winnie Laben tolerate all this crap from Helen?
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November 13, 2007 10:45am
freethinker

Wilson is evil in intent and is proof of the fundamental flaw of MMP in preventing such an incompetent from being removed – FPP may not be the answer but an answer must be found if we are to be represented democratically.
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November 13, 2007 10:54am
gd

ON another matter maybe its time to smash the Green mellon and expose the Red inside. After all the Greens have always portrayed themselves as sooooo liberal supporters of free speech die in the ditch against Gumint supression.

Well nows the chance to out them as the Commies that they have always been. Tar with the same brush as the Chinese. Show that their support of the EFB is counter to their previous condemnation of suppression by other Gumints.

if they can be reduced to under 5% then with NZ1 gone as well the Socialists will be crushed
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November 13, 2007 11:29am
cubit9f

Thought Iti’s scripted interview on Close Up last night was an interesting portrayal of the man. What was ‘he’ trying to say and who wrote the script? Perhaps Ms Sykes. Who else was hovering out of camera. No questions on Fiji.

Like most of the coverage Iti gets it was very sympathetic? What was he up to in Fiji?
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November 13, 2007 11:43am
Inventory2

Just on RNZ news – Clark won’t meet with the Hikoi when it arrives at Parliament – when asked why, she relied “Well, I don’t meet everyone who comes to Parliament” – no mention of “haters and wreckers” this time though.
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November 13, 2007 12:03pm
bwakile

Good point gd
At least labour are openly socialists but the greens hide under their environmental umbrella. IMHO they are the real scum of the earth.

I wait with baited breath for Fitzsimmons to open her gob on the EFB but I suspect they will just keep quiet and pocket the money next year.
They know they are on thin ice. I await the day they poll 4.95% in the party vote.
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November 13, 2007 12:07pm
ManukauMum

Design you own tax cuts & threshold changes!!
http://www.nzier.org.nz/Site/Publications/NZIER_reports_working_papers.aspx
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November 13, 2007 1:01pm
Frank.

How does he get funded for all these overseas trips? Are they educational and funded by the tax payer? or does it come out os his salary for the services and trainimg he supplies?

What is the background for this Tuhoi community? Farming?
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November 13, 2007 1:21pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

D4J:

I see a Brendan Burns is standing for Labour in Christchurch Central. I’ve never heard of him. I take it he’s no relation of yours? 🙂
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November 13, 2007 1:29pm
cubit9f

Frank,

You pose a very valid question. Iti is but one of thousands who have their noses in a bottomless trough being provided a lifestyle that the rest of us can only dream about. The endles liesure time and ability to navel gaze is bliss.

To cut to the quick, he and his many fellow travellers don’t actually do anything but agititate. Many of them post regularly on these blogs.
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November 13, 2007 1:31pm
Rex Widerstrom

Sofia asks:

So how does a member like Winnie Laben tolerate all this crap from Helen?

Like every other MP parachuted into a safe seat (or winnable list position) in return for fealty to the leadership and then promoted to the level of their incompetence – by taking a deep breath, murmuring a prayer of thanks to their respective leader, checking the taxpayer-supplied bank balance, and then picking up the phone to order the limo / subsidised nosh / drycleaning / free airplane ride / overseas ‘study’ trip / [insert other perk here].
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November 13, 2007 1:38pm
cubit9f

Todays question to the man who is “running this show”

Hon TONY RYALL to the Minister of Health: Why has there been an “unprecedented drop” in demand for acute surgery at Canterbury District Health Board?

Perhaps the drop has been achieved because there is a new man running the show.
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November 13, 2007 1:49pm
Redbaiter

I’ve heard reports to the effect that Iti was interviewed by some grovelling sycophant posing as a journalist on Closeup last night. Anyone see it?
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November 13, 2007 1:51pm
Sofia

Tame Iti came back from Fiji with a message from Frank Bananarama for Helen and Winston, but apparently was deported from Fiji and hadn’t actually seen Frank. So is anything else that Iti says at all credible?
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November 13, 2007 2:00pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Does anyone know if Winston Peters has booked a one-way or return ticket to North Korea?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4270840a11.html
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November 13, 2007 2:04pm
Buggerlugs

Why the fuck are we agreeing to help a bunch of fucking crackpots like North Korea? We can’t even help ourselves (unless you’re on the gummint gravy train).
You can see NZ’s economic development advice now: “Eat the rich, export your best and brightest overseas.”
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November 13, 2007 2:10pm
gd

Redbaiter It was the most bizarre interview I have ever seen The reporter asked Iti a question in English Iti replied in Maori and a guy who I think is Itis son then translated the answer into English. Itis son had a piece of paper so I suspect the questions and answers were all rehearsed.

IMHO Tame is a pretty harmless cove and is really taking the piss out of all of us. Over the years Ive followed his various endevours and affairs like the one with the rich wife of Alan ………. whose name just escapes me. Remember about 10 years ago when she used to parade Tame around the Auckland social scene. Old Tame lapped it up playing the hori bit on the side to the hilt.

I reckon Plod etc have been rather conned and if we did actually see the ‘evidence’ our question would be WTF were you noddies wasting $8 mill of our tax funds on this crapola.

And thats the real reason we aint going to see it.
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November 13, 2007 2:10pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

GD:

I imagine the interview was fairly inconsequential given the time required for two-way translation.

Anyway Close Up and Campbell Live – and other similar programmes – have turned into a joke. These “interview” shows don’t achieve much at the best of times. Time after time, I’ve seen the presenter (Wood/Sainsbury/Campbell et al) ask mealy-mouthed questions of our politicians. And we never get answers to the hard questions that should be asked, before the wrap-up for the ad break.
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November 13, 2007 2:22pm
gd

POC It was sooooo funny You could see the reporter meterphorically tugging his forelock at Tame. I almost expected him to start tugging something else at one point.
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November 13, 2007 2:59pm
Frank.

Immigration Services now investigating immigration rorts re false jobs for Chinese students.

If any immigration officers are found guilty they would no longer be immigration oFficers. (What? No Crimes Act violations?) Keep it all in house. Straight from the House a few minutes ago.
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November 13, 2007 3:13pm
pdm

Anyone see Ron Marks on question time?

He `outed’ some of the suppressed Police evidence in the terrorism arrests or at least appeared to anyway. Is there someone with the skills to pick them up and post them somewhere?

It looked like he was colluding with Labour as Hodgson, answering for the Police Minister (who was present earlier) seemed to be well prepared and wasn’t his usual arrogant self.
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November 13, 2007 3:29pm
dad4justice

POC said ;
“I see a Brendan Burns is standing for Labour in Christchurch Central. I’ve never heard of him. I take it he’s no relation of yours? :)”

This socialist lickspittle is one of those Scottish Burns not like us Irish Burns’s who are on right side conservatives . I will make Brendan’s life shear hell for him just I did for the soft fairy Tim Barnett . Lianne Dalzeel is my target Christchurch East here I come , haha , funny ol’ world as I battled Lianne’s sister who works at Clown Law often enough. Bring it on ladies – yeah right !!
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November 13, 2007 3:41pm
Frank.

Well Rodney Hide gave a real leader’s speech against the proposed Terrorism Bill. If he gives the same sort of Speech on the return of the EFB to the House then all power to the ACT Party..
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November 13, 2007 3:43pm
slightlyrighty

with regard to Shorty Street, nothing like a serial killer storyline to get your wage bill under control!
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November 13, 2007 3:43pm
dad4justice

Just got on the net 5 minutes and in comes the comments from James Sleep, roger gnomer , ribonsed, etc…. on my blog snog .
The sub standard crew are bang on time again !! Pretty predicable bunch of f##kwits eh ?

[DPF: No need for the f***wit tag please]
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November 13, 2007 3:45pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

D4J:

I’ve just checked your blog, and there’s only one comment under your last couple of posts? Honestly mate, if the comments are as bad as you say, just post them. They’ll reflect more on the poster than on you.
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November 13, 2007 3:51pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Also, with respect to your latest post, will you be posting the response to your letter?
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November 13, 2007 3:53pm
dad4justice

POC ;
Yes I have the response from the righteous ( lol ) Dame , I will type it up and post it . Just another fob off – to go with all the others .
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November 13, 2007 4:04pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Great, I’ll check back later.

I was also intrigued in the comment about TomS. Apparently he likes to play nicely at Public Address (because they’re good folk) but rough-n-tumble at Kiwiblog (because we’re sewer rats). Well guess what, I wandered over to Public Address, and there it was.
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November 13, 2007 4:14pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

In case others are wondering what I’m rabbiting on about, it’s biffo between Craig Ranapia v TomSocialist: http://www.publicaddress.net/system/topic,826,hard_news_the_finance_campaign.sm?p=34028#post34028
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November 13, 2007 4:17pm
john

We have a shit arse bunch of islanders kicking heads in here in Wgtn(in NEWTOWN) ,ie 6+brave islanders attacking a women and a man in a pack attack in Newtown , they have been , in hospital .Tonight on the news another bunch of these fat islanders on the news(in the basin) kicked another person into hospital , and as islanders seem to dominating our countries sport and islanders are NOW to be BIG lossiers(NO BALLS)BIG LOSSIERS ,LEAGUE ,RUGBY NETBALL,, SORRY RANGI .and the islanders THE WHITE HONKEYS HAVE WON THIS YEARS RUGBY, LEAGUE and NETBALL ,AUSTRALIA will win. ,so to our picific island bloggers stop your kids doing pack assults AND IM NOT SAYING SORRY,you could be next from these BROWN lossiers. J

[DPF: And that’s 50 demerit points.]
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November 13, 2007 6:25pm
john

DAVID what was the name of of the poor studend kicked
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November 13, 2007 7:15pm
john

50 points for saying the facts, DAVID CLOSE DOWN .YOU ARE TOO PC , read the dom post DAVID IM NOT TALKING SHIT

[There are ways one can comment on the disproportionately high crime levels amongst certain ethnic groups without it being offensive to all pacific islanders, or for that matter to almost all people full stop]
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November 13, 2007 7:22pm
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50 dimerit points (FOR THE TRUTH
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November 13, 2007 7:28pm
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DAVID DONT BE A BADGER READ THE PAPERS OR GIVE UP BLOGGING read about the bashings in newtown(amI a racist or the speaker of the truth) DAVID
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November 13, 2007 7:38pm
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DAVID FARRAR banned me because i spoke the truth CORRECTLY not the left or right way ., this blogg is now redunded
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November 13, 2007 7:41pm
dad4justice

John ,
Take it easy brother as 50 runs on the board , who cares , never know John Bracenotwell might get his head out of his arse for just 30 seconds and put Matthew S back in the team of has beens and you can open at the other end .

Keep cool after school said Olly before he fell thru the stage ? ooopps
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November 13, 2007 7:46pm
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david the worlds moving on , ps i watched the tv3 head kicking auckland and the wgtn head kicking,*(NEWTOWN)whats racist david,OPPS dont mention RACE david unless its YOUR head david(or a close friend)
50 dp for saying the truth (ITS SO EASY DAVID):()its your blodd .
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November 13, 2007 7:52pm
Buggerlugs

John – you appear to be having keyboard problems. As for race, I do believe head-kickings are colour-blind – everyone’s welcome to them!
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November 13, 2007 8:30pm
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opps im dribbling on .thats what happens when you have a sick wife with a broken leg and as a trades man your start time is 5.30, to 6.00am, , david as a tired tradesman, as a worker its the tuesday rant 50 dm points, is it worth it???pride only
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November 13, 2007 8:32pm
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im tired
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November 13, 2007 8:37pm
Right of way is Way of Right

Margaret Wilson, the Wayne Barnes of NZ politics!
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November 13, 2007 10:20pm
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Why be so cruel to Wayne Barnes.
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November 13, 2007 11:22pm
Buggerlugs

Margaret Wilson, the Paddy O’Brien of NZ politics, more likely…
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November 13, 2007 11:31pm
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Or Paddy?
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