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November 9, 2007 12:31pm by David Farrar

General Debate 09 November 2007

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Buggerlugs

and a fruitcake. unless it attracted demerits. because fruit is a derogatory term for chutney ferrets.
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November 9, 2007 8:17pm
Buggerlugs

and backyard gardeners.
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November 9, 2007 8:19pm
idiotboy

Buggerlugs:

o yes it does!

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The “landslide” that the polls suggested to Key was based on nothing more than his “do nothing” honeymoon, massive media-assisted faux-outrage over minor Labour gaffes, and the usual putrid pottage of misogynistic/victim-bashing dogwhistling and “tax-cut” vote buying.

Now the inoculations and gutter stuff is coming back to haunt them. The honeymoon glow is fading fast and the talkback turkeys attracted to the ranting and femme-fear are beginning to see a directionless and rather effete wide-boy in charge of a bumbling and insipid coterie of Hollow has-beens.
At the same time, the very ranting that attracted the good ole boys has also precluded the minor-party partnerships that the mythical landslide hoped to avoid.
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http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=634#comments

Anyone for another round of huzzahs?
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November 9, 2007 8:28pm
Inventory2

“faux outrage” – the Labour “phrase-of-the-week”

Did you read the Dom-Post editorial today idiotboy? It’s good!
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November 9, 2007 9:08pm
Lindsay Addie

Just picking up on the DomPost editorial that IV2 mentions above about the electoral funding row, the end section cuts to the chase quite well:

“It is incredible that any social democrat party would countenance such a move but when a party faces possible defeat, it can elevate ambition over ethics. Miss Clark seems to be calculating that the public interest in election spending is over – that, while voters got seriously angry in 2006, this latest row will be an overnight wonder.

National needs to ensure she is wrong. ”

The Nats need to have a change of strategy in The House during question time, instead of Key attacking Clark again about tax cuts (which was most successful this week) he needs to ask some pointed questions about electoral funding to give this issue a lot more coverage especially on the TV news. English did a good job tearing that wanker Burton to pieces but it could be more news worthy if Key takes the fight to the Government. Until this issue get a lot more air time on the idiot box nothing will happen.

Just a quick word about the latest Roy Morgan poll. Labour picked up support from the Greens 1%, the Nat 0.5%, Maori Party 0.5%. With the Xmas break not far away now the polls don’t really mean a lot until the 2008 political year starts in February. Ya don’t win elections leading the polls 10-11 months out from an election. They mean very little.
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November 9, 2007 9:09pm
idiotboy

That article is crap.

So Helen Clark is gonna deny the kiddies their classrooms and the poor, frail old folk their hip replacements so she can have some airbrushed photos of herself. Oh that devilish Helen!

This dickhead is not interested in presenting the facts in a fair and balanced way – he is just trying to make people angry…

“Miss Clark seems to be calculating that the public interest in election spending is over – that, while voters got seriously angry in 2006, this latest row will be an overnight wonder.

National needs to ensure she is wrong.”

In other words: National needs ensure people get “seriously angry”.

You guys just lap this crap up – dont you.
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November 9, 2007 9:46pm
maidennz

This from Bill English
http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleID=11399

And stuff from Gerry too all in one day….they might be on a role
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November 9, 2007 10:18pm
Santa Claws

Regarding the Polls the left grouping of Labour and the Greens have just about the same percentage as they did at the last Election slight more if anything.

So the National Party has to get over 47% to Govern.
iI not it, will be the unworkable nat/uf/act/moari.
Therefore our game has to be lifted.
Its a big ask and the way John and the team are performing doesn’t fill me with hope
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November 9, 2007 10:21pm
Max Call

I missed Campbell Live – what is the leaked evidence?
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November 9, 2007 10:22pm
idiotboy

Is this what Gerry was talking about?

Gerry Brownlee: I have in my possession a document that sets out the fact that National was happy for a rollover, provided it would lead to a much shorter election period.

Hon Dr Michael Cullen: What I can confirm, thanks to the very helpful intervention by Mr Gerry Brownlee, is that Labour’s position is exactly the same as National’s on the parliamentary spending bill, except that National members want a shorter period of time for electoral spending because they have so much money in their pockets they cannot spend it if the limitations in that regard start on 1 January.
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November 9, 2007 10:31pm
Inventory2

Max – they weren’t allowed to run the story – the Crown Prosecutor threatened them with prosecution so they had to pull it. Nanny State is alive and well tonight!
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November 9, 2007 10:39pm
Inventory2

No idiotbyt – what Gerry says in the video is that the EFB is a crock of shit, and National will repeal it when the become the government.
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November 9, 2007 10:40pm
kehua

Not surprised that Chris Carter earned his living handling Cocks before joining up with a bunch of Dicks, it`s called unnatural progression I guess. I wonder if the leaks[tui] will get investigated[tui] also wondering what it costs to watch Tuhoe for 12 months?? Sky costs me about a grand to watch heaps of swearing and watch lots of Terrorists and killing and sex and stuff.I do draw the line at dressing up in black though.
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November 9, 2007 10:44pm
Lee C

Well, ‘John and the team’ are basically asleep at the wheel at present.

They really are coming across as “Dumb and Dumber.”

When you can witness a government with such a slight grasp on the majority such as Labour waltz a Bill such as the EFB onto the statute books, it beggers belief.

IMHO, any oppostion Party worth its salt would have seen this action as the insult it is, and got angry, very angry. They should have rained s**t on the government – daily. But this opposition – their ‘battleplan’ appears to be ‘Thankyou Ma’am, may I have another?”

My view is that the Nats are not committed to gaining power. Interested in the idea, perhaps, but I see little evidence of committment.

I’m no political strategian,, though, so I’m sure that they must have something awesome just around the corner.

I’ve said they have until Christmas, let’s see….

Idiotboy – I fear that you are right.
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November 9, 2007 10:47pm
Lee C

Will Labour call an early election? – they should, because National have wated roughly four useful months of campaigning already.
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November 9, 2007 10:58pm
krazykiwi

lee, maidennz and iv2 – you’ve got mail 🙂
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November 9, 2007 11:14pm
Inventory2

Cheers KK

BTW – John Key has posted a response to my comments on his site today

http://johnkey.co.nz/index.php?/archives/214-SPEECH-National-Press-Club.html#c1184
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November 9, 2007 11:36pm
krazykiwi

In other words: National needs ensure people get “seriously angry”.

Yes please – anger over apathy any day. and it’s a particularly applicable response when the incumbent government – whatever it’s style or leaning – abuses voters’ trust by loading the electoral dice in its own favour.
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November 9, 2007 11:44pm
Bok

Idiot boy quotes the lack of standard as a source and still wishes to be taken seriously?
It is only slightly sillier than Roger Nome quoting wiki as his research for his thesis.
Made me think. Years ago you used to be able to buy bubblegum with all sorts of trivia written on the inside of the wrappers. God I wished I had hung onto those. It would put the level of my sources slightly above that of these two.
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November 10, 2007 9:48am
roger nome

“It is only slightly sillier than Roger Nome quoting wiki as his research for his thesis.”

This is a defamatory fabrication Bok- retract and apoligise please.
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November 10, 2007 2:10pm
Pascal

So are you going to retract your defamatory allegations against DPF Roger? You do make them a lot, particularly in the field which his business operates in!

You know, I used to have a lot of respect for the tenacity with which you posted. Nowadays though you come across more like a snotty child who has not yet experienced anything.
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November 11, 2007 10:35am

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