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October 7, 2007 11:23am by David Farrar

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Andrew Bannister

I am guessing this post is about the rugby.
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October 7, 2007 11:26am
Lee C

Shows what can happen even when you think you are onto a sure thing….
Commiserations.
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October 7, 2007 11:27am
JesusCrux

Sucked in NZ. All Blacks suck. Fuck yeah.
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October 7, 2007 11:30am
micheal_warren

horrible to watch… bloody disappointing!
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October 7, 2007 11:37am
Redbaiter

Klark’s kiss of death….
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October 7, 2007 11:39am
rickyjj

I blame Chris Rattue.
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October 7, 2007 11:41am
krazykiwi

can’t work out if wayne barnes would have been offered villars in the south of france or estates in the south of england. bidding war perhaps?
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October 7, 2007 11:41am
krazykiwi

… but the upside for NZ is that there now one less ‘noise’ event to distract us from the shameful EFB
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October 7, 2007 11:42am
nih

It’s because they were trying to play with a four-storey ball.

http://blog.skull.co.nz/news/our-new-inflatable-pavilion
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October 7, 2007 11:43am
Andrew Bannister

Well done redbaiter, only the sixth comment to start pointing the finger at Clark and Labour for the loss. Still, I thought it would have come earlier.

JesusCrux – that was pathetic.
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October 7, 2007 11:45am
Redbaiter

“Well done redbaiter, only the sixth comment to start pointing the finger at Clark and Labour for the loss.”

Actually, I think the “Kultural Kringing” promoted by the left has a lot to do with it. Too many thugs in the All Blacks. A more intelligent team would probably have won.
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October 7, 2007 11:47am
Jeff

JesusCrux you truly are a waste of space.

Every one is going to dissect this game but a loss is still a loss.

Lets take it on the chin and move on.
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October 7, 2007 11:48am
Andrew W

New Zealand teams need to learn to play a tougher game off the field, being the better team at the sport is often not enough.
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October 7, 2007 11:51am
Barnsley Bill

PERHAPS TELLING THAT WHINY BITCH GRANT FOX to move on would be a good start Jeff
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October 7, 2007 11:51am
Redbaiter

“New Zealand teams need to learn to play a tougher game off the field, being the better team at the sport is often not enough.”

Fuck, one day you’ll surprise me and say something that is not only coherent but something I can take some message from. Ponderous trendy waffling self important nothing.
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October 7, 2007 11:53am
Paul Marsden

Its not a game any more. Its a business. And they just failed at business, big-time.
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October 7, 2007 11:54am
Andrew W

“Fuck, one day you’ll surprise me and …”

No Red, I doubt I wil ever talk simple enough terms for you to understand.
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October 7, 2007 11:58am
AGJ

Chokers, plain and simple. The big game arrived and they failed to deliver.
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October 7, 2007 11:59am
Redbaiter

Richie McCaw is the best rugby player in the world. For him, it must be heart breaking. Commiserations Richie.
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October 7, 2007 12:01pm
JH

Does anyone know if the guy who wagered five million dollars on the ABs to win, is still alive?
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October 7, 2007 12:08pm
GerryandthePM

This is more than big, this is Titanic.

The unthinkable has been thunk!
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October 7, 2007 12:11pm
Mike S

It’s not whether you win or lose but how you play the game eh chaps?

The IRB has still won.
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October 7, 2007 12:13pm
Hoolian

Are we that suprised? I mean come on – the All Blacks are not that good. We herald them as icons of NZ’s national identity, and anyone who thinks otherwise is branded anti-NZ, but why? Relatively they are a good team, compared to other countries, but really they suck.

I’m not at all surprised they lost to France. It was their own arrogance to think they would soar to the finals. They’ve practically done no training, spent most of the time at beaches, resturants, living the high life in France etc. The reason why the All Blacks won in ’87 is because they were largely rugby fanatics – it wasn’t about money, or fame, or the high life but the very principle of playing a sport for your country. And playing it well.

Ha! I laud the fact that they lost. They deserved no better than to be humilated in defeat.
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October 7, 2007 12:15pm
peanut

NZ needs to stop focusing on the world cup and that it in some way shows who is the best team. It is not a competition designed to find the best team. It is set up for bookies. Where there is a better chance of upsets, as we have just witnessed.

Every rugby person in the world knows the All Blacks are the best team, by far, the results over the last 4 years show that. The fun for every non NZ fan is seeing the All Blacks being beaten at the world cup and then watching us implode as a country.

France showed to win these knock outs it’s all about who is going to gain the most emotionally from the win not who has the best players. The French players are heroes for beating the All Blacks. If NZ had won they would have been hacked down by sports media anyway, putting even more presssure on for the semi final.

Mentally the players were happy to loose at it released the pressure and bordom. Finacially the players had nothing to loose. Most are buggering off to other countries after this farse anyway.

Yes, I think the players were bored with all the focus and long long build up to a meaningless competition.
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October 7, 2007 12:17pm
JesusCrux

Andrew, Jeff – if you’re into gayass rugby so much go have yourselves some [deleted by DPF]

[DPF: And that’s a one month ban – you actually broke the law with that one]
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October 7, 2007 12:18pm
nih

I’m well over 18 and I’m still not sure my dad will let me look at that link.
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October 7, 2007 12:21pm
Hoolian

JesusCrux – you are honestly disgusting for promoting that site here.
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October 7, 2007 12:23pm
JesusCrux

Hoolian, this is a site that endorses South Park, you know, that show that has Kenny splattering his teacher’s balls over the faces of basketball players. Cupchicks doesn’t even come close.
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October 7, 2007 12:25pm
Andrew Bannister

Hoolian, I think you are right. The media made out as if playing the games would be largely a fomality we had to go through, in order to take the cup home. So no, I’m not surprised.

One (very small) positive: at least the Australia lost before us, so they didn’t really get an opportunity to enjoy our loss.
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October 7, 2007 12:26pm
Hoolian

I don’t disagree that South Park is also low, but I’m yet to see anyone (DPF in particular) promote a link that directs you to a video of it. I’m not saying you don’t have a right to view that video, or advertise it, but it really is inappropriate for you to do it on this blog, and on this thread. It’s deceiving.
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October 7, 2007 12:28pm
JesusCrux

Alright, well I apologise that you had to go to it. But I also think it’s inappropriate that above posters have suggested I commit suicide simply because I don’t appreciate rugby as much as they do.
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October 7, 2007 12:29pm
nih

I for one am shocked that a thread on this site became offensive.

*cough*

It wasn’t really the best way to derail a rugby thread. I would have photoshopped handbags onto a haka still.
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October 7, 2007 12:30pm
Andrew Bannister

JesusCrux, I don’t like rugby at all, but that doesn’t mean I have to act like a retard when the ABs lose.

By the way, grow up.
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October 7, 2007 12:31pm
nih

I sense a disturbance in the force.
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October 7, 2007 12:42pm
Lee C

nih – handbacks with adidas stripes on them?
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October 7, 2007 12:46pm
nih

Lee: pink with yellow and green flowers. You know, to put their little purses in when they go clubbing.
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October 7, 2007 12:48pm
Inventory2

Two questions – did the All Blacks receive a single penalty in the second half? Was there a forward pass during the movement that led to France’s second try?

I’m not complaining about the ref here you know (not bloody half I’m not!!) Why did the IRB appoint a near-novice to such a crucial game?
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October 7, 2007 12:51pm
rickyjj

This is quite a good summary:
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/10/06/unbreakable_french_recall_shad.html
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October 7, 2007 12:57pm
Advocatus Diaboli

Congratulations France

But you still need to win the final so I can claim my 8 / 1 odds for winning the Rugby World Cup.
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October 7, 2007 1:13pm
Brian Smaller

Someone above said that Richie McCaw was the best player in the world. I’d agree. And tack on that in the game today So’oialo, Ali Williams, Colins and Hore all had great games. I just think that there was not enough leadership – the game plan should have been changed to deal with the way the ref was running the game. A few more tries might have helped as well.

The forward pass that lead to the second French try was neither here nor there. The ref calls that I was upset about were the ones that were not made. French hands in the ruck when we were on their line. Their player behind behind the last feet of our side of the ruck. French players standing at the back of our rucks getting in the way.

Guess I’ll have to support South Africa now. The thought of England winning again …urrgghhh!
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October 7, 2007 1:17pm
Barnsley Bill

Nice to see the usual blame game start. The ref, the linesman, the IRB.
Also the “we need to remove the world cup” circle jerk.
Face facts fellas. In almost every sport the big event every four years is the only thing that matters. As we are a mono-sport country it may have escaped us that almost every other country works towards the big event.
In Europe and specifically in Soccer all these end of year tours are classified as Friendlies and treated as such. That is why we see the huge AB wins against France just a couple of months ago. But when it comes down to the big one NZ got sucked in again.
Being the best team in the world at friendlies is no accolade any of the current mob will be pleased to wear.
The absolute worst thing about this mornings events is the fact we are ignoring the even bigger shock of the Aussis getting beaten by “Grandads Army”. We have to call them that as everybody called them Dads Army last time.
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October 7, 2007 1:21pm
Inventory2

Brian – that’s what I was insinuating when I asked if the AB’s had received a second half penalty. Barnes refereed only one side in the second half. The decision to sin-bin McAlister was questionable at best. He allowed the French to infringe constantly at rucks by coming in from the side, lying over the ball, and playing it with the hand. He allowed the All Blacks no such lattitude. The All Blacks palyed as well as they were allowed to play, and the French got away with illegalities, so good luck to them. I only hope they can beat the English next week – the prospect of England winning another RWC is almost as bad as the thought of another three years of Dear Leader!
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October 7, 2007 1:23pm
Barnsley Bill

Ref bad, linesman bad, poisoned again as well probably!
Witnessing the orgy of onanistic whining 2 and a half times a decade is one of the highlights of living in our socialist utopia.
We woz robbed………….. har de har har.
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October 7, 2007 1:30pm
Nichlemn

So NZ and Australia both lose by 2 points in upsets…

Does this mean Fiji will beat South Africa?
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October 7, 2007 1:30pm
Pita

Victims of our own propaganda once again!

There’s no point in being the best in the world every three out of four years when the rest of the rugby world doesn’t give a toss and sends B grade teams to play against the All Blacks.

Bring back annual Possible/Probables games they are are real measures of commitment and performance.
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October 7, 2007 1:32pm
peanut

Does anyone know what the bookies were paying out for the French to win?
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October 7, 2007 1:32pm
dad4justice

where have all the cowboys gone pc auntie hell ?
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October 7, 2007 1:40pm
Lindsay Addie

All this stuff about the AB’s being the best in world is crap. They cannot win the World Cup anymore, all the tight games against top sides they lose. Aussie in 1991 & 2003, South Africa 1995, France 1999 & 2007.

Called choking isn’t it?

One positive….

Won’t have to listen to all the shit Wayne Smith talks!
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October 7, 2007 1:42pm
barry

One day we will see again a team that has some brains (rather than brawn. These guys just cant think on their feet)

And then we might get a coach who knows that the corporate approach doesnt work in sport
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October 7, 2007 1:42pm
dad4justice

Was the broomstick left outside the park ?
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October 7, 2007 1:46pm
Seamonkey Madness

I’m sorry, but the ancient Curse of Helen has struck again.

That and some poor, poor refereeing.

What the hell is the giant rugby ball going to symbolise now? A NZ white elephant in Paris followed by one four years later on home turf.

Our side played to win – and win they should have. Dodgy refereeing and injuries to crucial players (Carter and Kelleher (who was directing traffic a lot better than Leonard)) was our downfall.
That and the fact that they would have been lynched when they got back to France. The same fat that the ABs will be facing once they get back to NZ and it’s blood-thirsty, rugby-mad sports media.
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October 7, 2007 2:12pm
georgedarroch

I blame Labour for stifling the team with PC doublespeak
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October 7, 2007 2:13pm
Craig Ranapia

Pourrir des raisins pour tout le monde !
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October 7, 2007 2:15pm
john

well at least they can go and have a game of golf , to get over it , chokers.
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October 7, 2007 2:41pm
Pita

IMHO the departure of both Australia and New Zealand underscores the ludicracy of the current World Cup pool system

The minnow teams that are led out for ritualistic slaughter in the early rounds and do nothing to elevate/showcase the game…

better to have gruelling hard fought games in fewer pools where one loss against quality competition doesn’t mean an early exit.
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October 7, 2007 2:55pm
Barnsley Bill

Pita. You just trotted out whiny excuse #54.
“It was the fault of the teams we beat in pool play”…….
And so, the self flagellation continues.
But at least you will get your wish in 2011 as the AB’s will be up against a semi finalist from this tournie as a just barely qualified team.
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October 7, 2007 3:04pm
Redbaiter

Andrew Merhtens wouldn’t have missed those crucial kicks.
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October 7, 2007 3:32pm
Barnsley Bill

Redbaiter………… have you forgotten 95?
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October 7, 2007 3:54pm
dave

Ah yes, money was the winner on the day…will the ref get a bonus and be promoted, it works that way here in New Zealand in legal circles.
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October 7, 2007 4:07pm
Barnsley Bill

And dave chimes in with excuse #74, accusing the ref of taking a bung…
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October 7, 2007 4:09pm
baxter

In one respect I agree with Barnsley. ..The moaning of FOX from the time the Haka finished to the moment the game finished. Hell it was bad enough whenever he commented on a game in which Auckland were defeated..pathetic…Collins and Soialo played their hearts out but the other Wellingtonian Conrad Smith was also needed…Mulliana didn’t make a break alnight and didn’t get a pass away to his wings..Poor Game Plan…A wicked witch had been on a Publicity search leading up to the game and was in a foul mood after getting pitched out into the rain in Downing St…I suspect she cast an evil spell on our team.
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October 7, 2007 4:16pm
tom hunter

Sorry if this is a bit windy, but it’s written as a gut response.

Listening to the hand-wringing angst of Sports TalkBack radio, in the hours following the AB’s defeat in the World Cup semi-final, has been an exercise in frustration for me.

The constant references to a glorious All Black past when we dominated the world, the despair at how far our hero’s have fallen in terms of grit and nous, the implied or explicit statements that things like this would not be happening if we had a Meads, a Whineray or any of the warriors from our time of golden weather. Even David Kirk seems to have fallen prey to it, when that most intelligent man appeared to vent his spleen just like any drunken yob watching the game in a pub. It was all too much.

When both hosts and callers delved back in time it was usually to the 1960’s. But I was born in that decade and have few memories of it, none to do with the AB’s and especially the remembrance of feelings surrounding the tests of those days. I have only recorded history to go by, and I’m more than willing to accept that there was clear daylight between the AB’s and their opponents. But it may be the feelings that are more important.

My earliest memory of an All Black game just happens to be of one of the most famous. The test against Wales in December 1972 – the first match broadcast live by satellite from overseas. The contrast with the collective memory of Sports Talk could not be more stark. In the spirit of the day we did not count the recent home series trashing of Australia, a team truly deserving the tag, “Woeful Wallabies”. By the time of the Welsh match all we knew was that the AB’s had suffered two consecutive years of test series defeat – in South Africa in 1970, and at home the following year against a fabulous Lions side. A stack of retirements had left the AB’s short of experience against a team that had given a solid core of talent to the ’71 Lions and would do so for the even more successful ’74 Lions team in South Africa.

In short we were dead! Yet we won, courtesy of grit, nous and a rookie fullback who did not wilt in the atmosphere and booted five penalty goals.

For me that game launched almost two decades of being an All Black fan not always confident of winning – and with the reality of numerous losses along the way to back that feeling. A far cry from the dominance I hear the critics of 2003 or 2007 referring to in past tense. Moreover some of those losses were close ones, and some were against sides that we should not have lost against.

Not until the late 1980’s would there be a period where I felt confident that we could do anybody. Before that there were heartbreaking series losses against the Boks in 1976, Aussie in 1980 and 1986, one off losses against the French in ’72, ’77,’79, and against the Aussies in ’79. Not to mention the balls-up against the English in 1973.

Perhaps it is a failure of collective memory – people often talk in glowing terms of the wonderful 1977 second test win against the French but not the loss of the first. When the Lions returned in 1977 they did so in the strangest form – a huge, intimidating forward pack and average backs. Our forwards contested with them desperately in three tests before being torn apart in the 4th. To this day nobody really knows how we won that match. Maybe it had something to do with unorthodox tactics – like a three-man scrum that had all NZ rugby media critics hiding their faces in shame but which (as I remember it) resulted in a movement sweeping 70 metres up field before knocking on just short of the Lions tryline.

Reading through that list one might imagine that I am making a small point buried in a larger one. Maybe we were not as dominant as we remember, but does that not demonstrate the key truth that the old AB’s knew how to change tactics mid-game, how to pull out the last gasp win against the odds? Well, maybe. But my memory is that we failed as often as we succeeded in such situations.

Moreover, how different is this history from that of the past 100 years of All Black rugby? Even that fabulous decade of the ’60’s was bookended by series losses against the Boks in South Africa. Were those All Black teams not filled with veteran players? Were they not in fact many of the same people whose names are mentioned with reverence and regret?

Were Colin Meads and company not ‘out-passioned’ in 1960 and 1970, or out-thought? Were Whineray and Lohore not able to change tactics mid-game? On the reading of the 1970 Springbok series it would certainly seem Lohore could not, and neither could the coach. My copy of ‘Men in Black’ mournfully records that near the end of the 1st test the All Blacks seemingly had no idea other than to run a succession of ‘desperate’ tap-and-go moves that were promptly snuffed out. In the series the coach seemingly ignored the fact that Sid Going totally disrupted the Boks, while they eagerly awaited the fabulous passing of the technically superior Chris Laidlaw, which would set the backs up for crash tackles.

In that first test the AB’s went up against a technically inferior team with an awful record (2 losses, 2 draws on the 69/70 UK tour), one they had handily defeated five years earlier. But the Boks had studied their opponents’ strengths. They developed a game plan specifically designed to counter those, then selected and trained the players for it – and left the rest up to intense passion.

The most common term used to describe the All Blacks in the first 20 minutes of that test was ‘shell-shocked’, and it was mentioned by players and critics alike that the winning of the game and the series was rooted in that period, and in the fact they we did not have a consistent goal kicker. Does this all sound familiar?

In the context of their times the 4th tests of those South African series and of the Lions in 1971 were as big as the 2003 World Cup final. What did those near-mythic players think of their failure when there was everything to play for?

And what of the fans? Did New Zealanders walk around filled with bitter recriminations and black despair after those losses? Were they any less ‘gutted’ by the 3rd Bok test of 1937 than we were in 1999 or 2003 – or now? By the awful whitewash in South Africa in 1949 – especially when that team had been designed to avenge 1937?

I read a mood of bleak despair after the 1970 series: that All Black team had been widely hailed as the strongest to ever leave our shores. Surely it could not fail? But it did, spectacularly so. By 1976 the constant, background refrain was a desperate “why, oh why can’t WE win over there”, compounded by the fact that the Lions just had. Did the fans of those eras feel the failures as badly?. It would seem so. How else to explain the tears in the eyes not just of supporters but of aging All Blacks when they finally won a series in South Africa in 1996.

Calling our All Black past glorious is deserved because of consistent 75% success. But it has only rarely been overwhelming dominance, and the failures, recriminations and backlashes were every bit as bad in the past, though played out in the absence of near-saturation media coverage and promotion. The 20 minutes of the 1st 1970 Bok test were seen the day after the news was already known, shown as small chunks of fuzzy, black & white images with perhaps two camera angles. Had it been seen live in colour with multiple angle shots and replays, after a huge buildup of expectation that this time it was going to happen, I suspect it would be as infamous as the 30 minutes against the French in 1999.

Yet the players, coaches, selectors, and the fans, picked themselves up off the floor after those gutsers and moved forward to victories – most notably in 1956, 1987, and 1996 – made all the sweeter by the trials. We need to remember that.

We also need to remember one particular story. As he walked from the field after a good All Black victory in the third test of a series, following a dreadful 2nd test performance, Colin Meads shook his head sadly as he looked at his captain (Lohore I think). Even for the ‘Unsmiling Giants’ such a mood seemed excessively glum. The captain asked Meads what was wrong in the aftermath of such a complete victory. Meads replied, “Why do we always have to play badly before we play well?”.

It was a good question. Perhaps it explains much of the 25% failure rate, and while it meant that we usually won test series, if that strange quirk exists not just in the past but in the present then perhaps it is one answer to David Kirk’s question of what lies at the core of our failures in the World Cup, and is thus every bit as awful an answer as he feared.
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October 7, 2007 4:16pm
pdm

Thank goodness for Hawkes Bay.

Perhaps if the AB’s had their guts nous and leadership a victory would have been forthcoming.

A question re the team leadership – is the problem having a school teacher in charge – thereby suppressing the ideas and flair of others?
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October 7, 2007 4:17pm
dad4justice

Put a meatworker in charge
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October 7, 2007 4:20pm
dave

Hey Barnsley Billl, instead of criticising other blogposts with your whiny excuse #111 , why dont you run your own blog

.. oh thats right you do – and you go around the blogs posting links to your blog so can get more than 10 hits. Shameful.
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October 7, 2007 4:31pm
Michaels

It’s taken me all day to reflect and how to find something positive out of this loss. The positive is that Mugabe’s cousin, H1 and that stupid dumbarse the duck, can’t go glory hunting for something they never had anything to do with. And thanks to this loss, does it mean they will cut their holiday short??
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October 7, 2007 4:34pm
Barnsley Bill

Ouch!
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October 7, 2007 4:39pm
john

i feel i will be dead before we get to the top of the mointain
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October 7, 2007 4:46pm
john

The big football that the witch helen organised, under the tower , what a waste of money, keep that women away from the blacks ,shes a albatross,, failure follows her.
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October 7, 2007 5:05pm
kiki

tom hunter you are why i read blogs every now and then in-between all the personal bitching i find the odd gem. All I can say is bugger.

Cheers
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October 7, 2007 5:05pm
john

Does anyone have a cheap bp stiene flag for sale , i bet mastercharge has millions of this useliss mechandis backing up now, shit if i look at another pretty boy allblack ad i will chunder, opps CHOKE,
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October 7, 2007 5:14pm
dave

Look on the bright side, everyone, at least we won all our other games. France didnt!.
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October 7, 2007 5:16pm
philu

the french pass..the all blacks don’t/didn’t..

they just ‘went to ground’..

again..and again..and again..

(as feckin’ ‘boring as’..)

flair vs predictability..

and flair was the winner on the day..

(prehaps the ab’s could pick up some themed-‘chokers’ before they come back…?

to wear in ritualistic shame..

as they come through the airport..?

(sackcloths and ashs would be so messy..!..eh..?…)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 7, 2007 5:17pm
philu

i..also..blame the ‘gummint’..

(and wither 2011..?..eh..?..)

economic and environmental pressures evident by then..

should guarantee that being ‘somewhat less important than we thought’..

eh.?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 7, 2007 5:21pm
milo

Congratulations to the All Blacks on putting it out there. 26 phases shows the commitment. They are a great team, beaten on the day. That happens that’s sport.

I’m an All Blacks supporter, so I’m proud to support them now, when they are down, just as much as when they are up. Good on you fellas. You still made me proud. Better luck next time.
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October 7, 2007 5:27pm
Deborah

Just so, DPF. Just so.

And, BUGGER!
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October 7, 2007 5:41pm
grumpyoldhori

Forget the bloody referee, NZ had 70% of
the ball.
But the last time we played a centre at
centre in one of the more important games was in 95.

If they were picking on form Nonu would
have been in the team.
And for rugby brains Major would have been played.

McCaw the best player, a captain who cannot change the line of attack, pretty
bloody poor.

But, dear god, a player given a yellow card in another match for rucking a sod on his side of the ruck.
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October 7, 2007 6:06pm
Barnsley Bill

Milo..
26 phases shows commitment!
lack of a bloody clue more like. To have that many goes and not come up with some points is shamefull.
But chocolate fish prize for staying positive and not blaming everybody else.
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October 7, 2007 6:27pm
hinamanu

what a weird world cup

wager of 5 mill

Fiji in the quarter final equation

The AB’s really weren’t saving the best for last

Obelix turned up to support Gaul

But in the end the AB’s remained consistent,, flaky passes and butter fingers vanquished victory
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October 7, 2007 6:44pm
dad4justice

Go Fiji – ” I’m off to the rugby now ” said Mr B after aunt Hell bagged to crap out of him .
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October 7, 2007 6:48pm
dad4justice

Hey philu the frogs bombed the rainbow boys
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October 7, 2007 6:50pm
hinamanu

I hope Fiji wins the cup

they’ll shove that in Helens face and tell her to pull her nose in

hope it’ll help their economy
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October 7, 2007 7:23pm
tim barclay

People will go into a form of depression and the Labour Party traditionally gets its votes from the depressed and downtrodden. But somehow I do not think this will help Helen Clark. She was there hoping to reap the political benefit if we won but we lost so she can take some of the backlash.
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October 7, 2007 7:47pm
hinamanu

Tim,,

you’re right.

This will be a sure sign people will want a fresh start, fresh initiatives and fresh inspiration.
this loss will equate with a stale odour that willl definitiely reflect in the polls next year.

I think the smile we saw from Helen as she stood in those french stands at games end will be the last one.

for NZers, a losing rugby teams equates with a losing govt

There’s some way we’ll want to find a winner
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October 7, 2007 8:00pm
burt

What we needed was a ‘Johny Wilkinson’ in our team. We spent ages banging around the center field around the 22 in front of the posts and what did we do… We ran into the defense and bashed ourselves up.

As Paul Marsden said “Its not a game any more. Its a business.”

And we just got dicked big time on the world stage.
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October 7, 2007 8:13pm
NZTed

Sounds like a few of you need to read this and get past stages 1 & 2
http://mt.essortment.com/stagesofgri_rvkg.htm

Clark better hope that stage 4 doesn’t hang around until the election…. I suspect it may.
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October 7, 2007 8:20pm
dad4justice

Hey NZ Ted the Klark thing needs Father Ted !!
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October 7, 2007 8:22pm
dad4justice

Why worry, as the liarbour lickspittles paraded the parliamentary world rugger spoof cup in that sordid building in Wellington – cheers Dover, Damien and the all the bent department of erection officials , horray for PC wimpsters !!!
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October 7, 2007 8:34pm
Paul

Can we now get back to sensible rugby schedules.

No more reconditioning programs by just deleting the end of year cash for IRB tours. I’d also love to see the super 14 every other year, which leaves room for a traditional 4-6 week tours.

RWC
Super 16 (include Pacific Is and Argentina)
Tour
Super 16

When was the last time the ABs played in Mendonza (and when was the last time we won).

When I started taking the piss out of the English football team for living off the glory of 1966 world cup back in the 80s, that exact time frame has now passed, and we are still living off the 1987 glory – sad.

The conditioning will come with less rugby, but better quality, and more variety.

IRB = No rookies at 1/4 final time.
Ref cock ups = coaches video challenge time?
Super 16 every other year
Tours and good will back into brand All Black.

Tow last thoughts. How much a hit will TV3 take now that no one will watch the games remaining?
How much for one massive deflated rugby ball – free just has to get to the Eiffel Tower to retrieve.
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October 7, 2007 9:46pm
Paul

PS very very weird to be in Seattle and thinking that possibly not one person here knows the rugby is on let alone the txts I was getting every minute were delivering doom and gloom to me.
Kinda happy to be on the other side of the world now.

pps A rugby thread turns political. Maybe Paddy was right – NZ get over yourself.
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October 7, 2007 9:48pm
Paul

PPS, after being away from this blog for the weekend in Seattle and now back in Vancouver – D4J is still a [deleted by DPF] – what gives?
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October 7, 2007 9:49pm
hinamanu

In fact,, will TV 3 take the risk next round ?????
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October 7, 2007 9:49pm
hinamanu

Paul,,

D4J is seriously lucky he hasn’t been booted for 4 months after last nights puerility. It was sick!!

The main man was away at a function and missed it all

or maybe D4J has grown on him

that would be very very sad
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October 7, 2007 9:53pm
GK

Good on ya boys, you gave it your best crack, we can’t ask more.

They will keep.
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October 7, 2007 10:14pm
Redbaiter

“Kinda happy to be on the other side of the world now.”

Don’t hurry back.
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October 7, 2007 10:17pm
hinamanu

Why do I get the sickly feeling next time we meet France we’ll snot them.

Didn’t we do that to England after they won last time
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October 7, 2007 10:30pm
natural party of govt

For my part I would like to congratulate the ABs on their excellent wins over Romania and Portugal.
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October 8, 2007 12:56am
Grant McKenna

Being as I am an immigrant from South Africa I have been inundated with “sympathy” messages from there. I offer up the lyrics of the Howard Goodall/Richard Curtis song that Rowan Atkinson made famous: ‘That’s Why I Hate the French’

We offered kindly to donate them Calais
And all they gave us back was the bidet
And now they won’t let us go on holiday,
That’s why I hate the French, oh,
That’s why I hate the French

They all wear berets and they’re all called Jacques,
They even steal from us the words they lack
Le weekend, Le camping and cul de sac
That’s why I hate the French, oh,
That’s why I hate the French.

They claim their films are the best we’ve ever had
Well I suppose ‘Emmannuelle’ wasn’t bad
Charles Aznavour is always so depressed
Wouldn’t you be if ‘oui oui’ meant yes?

Sacha Distel has raindrops falling on his head
I wonder if Jean Paul Sartre knows he is dead?
What I resent is that they’re so good in bed!
That’s why I hate the French, oh,
That’s why I hate the French.

They bake their bread in such a naughty shape
They brag about their wine and worship the grape
They criticise our food but then they eat crepes
That’s why I hate the French, oh,
That’s why I hate the French.

And now they started coming here in droves
French cigarettes, French letters and French clothes
I’m sick and tired of eating all this Brie
And I’ll be buggered if I go to gay Paris.

They’re pretty cocky ’bout their games in the dark
They think with girls, they light a special spark
But look what the bastards did to Joan of Arc!
That’s why I hate the French, oh, that’s why I hate the French!
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October 8, 2007 1:55am
Grant McKenna

Or perhaps Mike Batt’s Ride To Agadir is more appropriate:

We rode in the morning, Casablanca to the west,
on the Atlas mountain foothills leading down to Marrakesh.
For Mohammed and Morocco we had taken up our guns,
for the ashes of our fathers and the children of our sons.
For the ashes of our fathers and the children of our sons.

In the dry winds of summer we were sharpening the blades;
we were riding to act upon the promise we had made.
With the fist and the dagger, with the rifle and and the lance,
we will suffer no intrusion from the infidels of France.
We will suffer no intrusion from the infidels of France.

We could wait no more, in the burning sands on the ride to Agadir.
Like the dogs of war, for the future of this land on the ride to Agadir.

Though they were waiting, and they were fifty to our ten,
they were easily outnumbered by a smaller force of men.
As the darkness was falling they were soon to realise,
we were going to relive upon their godforsaken lives.
We were going to relive upon their godforsaken lives.

We could wait no more, in the burning sands on the ride to Agadir.
Like the dogs of war, for the future of this land on the ride to Agadir.

We rode in the morning, Casablanca to the west.
On the Atlas mountain foothills leading down to Marrakesh.
For Mohammed and Morocco we had taken up our guns,
for the ashes of our fathers and the children of our sons.
For the ashes of our fathers and the children of our sons.
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October 8, 2007 2:06am
dad4justice

Why worry be happy as pretty Sara the psycho says get over it and Anton the lawyer said he could smell the death in the changing rooms .

Time for another nervous giggle aunt Helen our lovely first lady and I hope you and your happily married husband of 24 years enjoyed the match ?

The next world war oops , sorry Anton , it was only a game of mugger rugger , (been to war have you??) – will be a joke as anybody with any spunk or spirit jumps on the airplane and gets the f##k out of this nutbar feminist pc cultist regime of psycho twisted socialist liars of the highest order !!

The game is yours girls . Go girls – go !!!
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