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October 5, 2007 11:32am by David Farrar

Dewar gets four and a half years

John Dewar has been given four and a half years for peverting the course of justice. Good.

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nih

I really dislike this bastard.

In the final weeks of his fall, instead of going down like a man he and Rickards attempted to manipulate the system to harass Nichols some more.

Initially I thought Nichols and her supporters were rabid feminists, but now I can’t think of a fate bad enough for Dewar.

It’s a real shame the guy he was protecting is still loose and acting like an idiot. It’s even worse that he has the protection of being acquitted. Surely that needs to be revisited now Dewar has been convicted.
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October 5, 2007 11:46am
Robinsod

For once DPF you and I agree – my one concern is that four and a half years is a hell of a lot less than his mates would’ve got if he hadn’t done what he did.
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October 5, 2007 11:50am
Paul

David, this could be a first, I agree GOOD.

I have to agree with Robinsod, he got his mates off lightly.

What does the insanity sentencing trust (substitute the world sentence for life) have to say about this I wonder, or Greg O’Connor?
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October 5, 2007 11:54am
davemc

I may be wrong, but I think all these cases will go down as miscarriages of justice on a scale that puts Thomas and Ellis in the shade.

Time will tell.
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October 5, 2007 12:00pm
Whaleoil

Clearly he wasn’t a member of the Labour Party. He wouldn’t have got charged in the first place as it wouldn’t have been in the interests of the public.

The defense money can buy is a Labour Party membership.
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October 5, 2007 12:05pm
nih

“Clearly he wasn’t a member of the Labour Party. He wouldn’t have got charged in the first place as it wouldn’t have been in the interests of the public.

The defense money can buy is a Labour Party membership.”

So you think this is another episode in the mythical underground Labour vs National uberwar?
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October 5, 2007 12:08pm
Robinsod

So Whale you want to use police gang rape as a segue into labour being corrupt? That sickens me (and I’m very hard to sicken) no wonder your KtB website is falling over. What next? Rape jokes? Oh, no you’ve done those already…
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October 5, 2007 12:10pm
Whaleoil

You sicken yourself, I said no such thing. You clearly live in a world where the sky is not red.
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October 5, 2007 12:12pm
Paul

“He wouldn’t have got charged in the first place as it wouldn’t have been in the interests of the public”

Are you talking about the National MP who drove his tractor up the steps of Parliament?
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October 5, 2007 12:13pm
Whaleoil

No, the Labour Prime Minister who committed fraud and forgery, the Labour Cabinet Minister that bashed, tortured and perved at kids at school, The labour Cabinet minister who exposed himself in Hotel corridor, the Labour cabinet Minister that filed a false declaration at the companies office, the Labour government that changed the law so a private prosecution couldn’t proceed, the Labour government that stole thousands, said they never did and then changed the law to prove the point……….and so on.
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October 5, 2007 12:15pm
Matt Nolan

“Are you talking about the National MP who drove his tractor up the steps of Parliament?”

Shane Ardern, member for Taranaki King-Country, one of the great National strongholds. Thank god I’ve moved away 😉
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October 5, 2007 12:17pm
Frank.

The First of the Many.

Don’t forget Clint Rickards was the Officer in Charge, Commissioners Support Group, and that the Commissioner referred allegations of corruption against Senior Police Officers to him, which he successfully buried.

This is called: Preventing and defeating the course of justice” and this action was performed by a Police Officer, in the Service of the Crown, now appearing before a Police Disciplinary Board Tribunal for a piffling breaking Police Regulations charges!!!!
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October 5, 2007 12:20pm
Matt Nolan

Note: I’m apolitical, I hate national as much as labour.

I’m not trying to be anti-national, I just felt that the whole area would vote national no matter what, and that didn’t feel right.
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October 5, 2007 12:21pm
Robinsod

Guys can we stay on topic. This thread is not an appropriate forum for party politics.
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October 5, 2007 12:22pm
Whaleoil

hahahaha a request from the biggest threadjacker known to man to stay on topic haha funny haha
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October 5, 2007 12:24pm
Paul

“Labour Cabinet Minister that bashed, tortured and perved at kids at school”

careful that’s pretty close to slander as none of that shit happened as you describe.

“and so on” excellent it’s time for an election then and lets see if democracy works.

Shane Arden, thanks for that, it’s been bugging me ever since that guy subsequently got arrested for endangering the public with the burning flag in the same location (well a few meters away). How did he get away with driving several tons of rusty steel up the steps and a 10 second fire gets an arrest?
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October 5, 2007 12:24pm
Russell Brown

You sicken yourself, I said no such thing. You clearly live in a world where the sky is not red.

Not that I want to interrupt your regular foray into self-parody, but don’t we all?
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October 5, 2007 12:25pm
Whaleoil

Shane Ardern was charged. Not slander when the police report found a prima facie case but was not in the public interest to prosecute.
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October 5, 2007 12:26pm
Whaleoil

Nice one Russell, the sky is clearly red just the the grass is blue and the sheep are pink.
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October 5, 2007 12:27pm
Whaleoil

One must also learn to be able to laugh at ones self.
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October 5, 2007 12:29pm
nih

“Nice one Russell, the sky is clearly red just the the grass is blue and the sheep are pink.”

At long last my dreams of Nintenzealand are coming to life.

Getting back on track, doesn’t it seem reasonable that the guy who was acquitted thrice thanks to Dewar, and Schollum, Shipton and Rickards should all be retried over anything they were found not guilty of?
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October 5, 2007 12:31pm
Robinsod

Whale – you are truly a munter. Oh and seeing as we’re not gonna avoid teh party politics I should point out that Goff talked about changing the double jeopardy rule a couple of years ago so we could retrial in situations like these. At the time I disagreed with him but now I’m not so sure.
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October 5, 2007 12:31pm
llew

I can imagine that one must indeed.
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October 5, 2007 12:31pm
Paul

Or you would have had to prosecute a huge majority of teachers from back then. I remember the whole 4th form being lined up (boys) for the cane, when we played (ruined) the rugby field in the rain. But lets not relive that whole silly saga.

What happened with Arden, was it not in the public interest or is he spending 8-10 in the insanity sentencing trusts maximum secruity unit for the never to come out again? I remember the video well, thinking what a fucking maniac that could come unstuck very quickly.
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October 5, 2007 12:32pm
Whaleoil

yep i’m with you on that one
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October 5, 2007 12:32pm
Lance

This may not go down well…..
But since we are amongst friends 😛

If these charges are indeed what Dewar committed then there are consequences for actions…. BUT
Was anybody else disturbed by how easily what’s her name lulled him into speaking into a concealed microphone, all old friends type preamble?
That really bothered me and I wouldn’t have had any qualms with the outcome if not for that incident.
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October 5, 2007 12:33pm
Nominal

Isn’t that actually 1.5 years inside and 3 years on guaranteed parole?
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October 5, 2007 12:35pm
nih

So both sides used dirty tricks. It really does mirror politics.

Dewar began the trial by showing up in his police uniform, explicitly against police rules. He was obviously trying to swing the jury into seeing him in a particular light.

I’m not so shocked, but I do believe there should be consequences for such behaviour that extend beyond the scope of just one trial.
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October 5, 2007 12:37pm
Paul

Nominal – Ah the insanity sentencing trust has arrived. Put him away for ever.

Lance, she was rapped. Can we leave it at that please.
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October 5, 2007 12:38pm
Paul

Hang on one second. Since this announcement Dad4J has gone.
Coincidence?
Computer rights cut off?
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October 5, 2007 12:39pm
nih

“Ah the insanity sentencing trust has arrived. Put him away for ever.”

Everyone deserves mercy. It’s the way of our country.
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October 5, 2007 12:40pm
Policy Parrot

This charge needs to be sought on more occasions by Crown Prosecutors – there are so many people who should be in jail that get off due to obsfucation by a key witness.

This should stand as a powerful example not to lie in your statement. Also, how do the police expect people to give their statements fully and honestly if they themselves aren’t prosecuted for their own misactions.
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October 5, 2007 12:41pm
Paul

“example not to lie in your statement”

don’t plan on getting arrested – but thanks for the heads up.
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October 5, 2007 12:43pm
davemc

Dewar began the trial by showing up in his police uniform,

What utter garbage. What are you on?
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October 5, 2007 12:52pm
nih

“What utter garbage. What are you on?”

My bad, you’re right. I was thinking of Rickards.
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October 5, 2007 1:02pm
nih

That link didn’t work. Here’s what I tried to link to:

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/john_dewar-2.html#comment-328643
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October 5, 2007 1:02pm
Inventory2

nih said “Dewar began the trial by showing up in his police uniform, explicitly against police rules. He was obviously trying to swing the jury into seeing him in a particular light.”

Are you sure about that nih? I think that you might find that was Rickards, at his second trial – and that is one of the counts he is facing disciplinary action over.
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October 5, 2007 1:58pm
Inventory2

That’s a good sentence for Dewar’s offending – more than half of the maximum. His protestations of innocence won’t have won him any favours from the sentencing judge. Likely as not, he will end up in Te Moenga Unit in Wanganui Prison, where the worst of the sex offenders, witness protection prisoners and ex or current cops go – for their own protection. I would far rather he spent some time anong the general prison population though!
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October 5, 2007 2:01pm
Nominal

“Paul sez ->Nominal – Ah the insanity sentencing trust has arrived. Put him away for ever.”

Excellent example of a witty response there Paul.

Since the first sentence of the Herald story is “Former policeman John Dewar has been sentenced to four and half years in jail on charges of perverting the course of justice.” [sic] I was merely pointing out that he will likely only serve 1.5 years in jail, as a result of Labour reforms that you obviously support.

Even that length is likely to very hard for Dewar to endure. Can’t be easy being a cop locked up.

Please quote where I said to put him away for ever….

Oh, you can’t find that?
How sad, proved wrong so soon – maybe you should rename your blog to RabidHelenSupporterofLinwood?
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October 5, 2007 2:32pm
dad4justice

That poor lady 20 years of hell for her family and the court wouldn’t let her read a letter at sentencing of a vicious criminal ?

Batten the hatches as here come an army of liarbour lickspittles .

Gunners at the ready , f##king what happened to police integrity Anton !!
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October 5, 2007 3:06pm
dave

On an entirely different note, Taito Philp Field is to face corruption charges. Will he get 4 1/2 years?
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October 5, 2007 3:34pm
unaha-closp

And so the only corrupt cop in NZ is now behind bars. Yay.
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October 5, 2007 4:06pm
Paul

Nominal

“RabidHelenSupporterofLinwood” Funny except I don’t support labour. Never mind.
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October 5, 2007 5:36pm
hinamanu

Was David Benson Pope that labour MP caught exposing himself

and all the rest of it,,

only one I can think of,, no mention of tennis balls but.
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October 5, 2007 7:10pm
nih

It’s irrelevant, but I never liked David Benson Pope. When you look exactly like a sadist teacher would look, you want to spend a little extra cash in the PR and Spin buckets. The guy creeps me out.
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October 6, 2007 3:02am
barry

Anyone who weilds beurocratic power – eg: policeman, politician, etc. should get the maximum sentances when they are found guilty of using that power in anyway that perverts the course of justice.

Dewar should have gotten the maximum sentance available, and if that bum from Mangere is found guilty, then he should get the maximum as well.

Its not as though they arent told all this as part of their jobs – they new what the rules were.
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October 6, 2007 8:03am
dad4justice

I agree Barry the abuse of power by elected officials is not healthy for a balanced and stable society ?

How many years should the Prime Minister serve in prison ?
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October 6, 2007 8:24am
Inventory2

The Herald reports this morning that the starting point for Dewar was six years, but the judge knocked eighteen months off taking into account that “he would suffer “additional hardship” in prison as a former high-ranking officer.”

Give me a break! That is precisely the reason that Dewar should have an extra eighteen months ADDED to his sentence, not discounted!
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October 6, 2007 9:27am
Lisa

Unbelievable this creep gets a concession on his sentence because he was a former policeman!!! As Inventory sayes this is precisely the reaon he should have been slammed with the full sentence. Diddums for Dewar, he’s a tad worried about his reception in jail…Oh dear, how very sad. The judge got it bang on in one respect though when he stated that Dewar “had a remarkable capacity for self delusion and avoidance”. The same should be said of his cohorts Rickards, Shipton & Schollum who continue to vehemently deny and wrongdoing & vigorously & venomously continue to attack Louise Nicholas! Karma works in mysterious ways. The naive & vulnerable LN has become a confident, strong & corageous woman whos achievements are celebrated by many versus the once ‘powerful & predatory’ SS&R who are now nothings who are reviled by most of society. At the risk of sounding boring by rehashing previous postings … “Be sure your sins will find you out” & a lie told a 1000 times over is still a lie!
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October 6, 2007 10:39am
Topcat

Unbelievable he was convicted as he clearly didn’t believe Louise Nicholas was telling the truth and there is a fair bit of evidence that she wasn’t. Nicholas presumably thinks she was always in the wrong time for the seven or so rapes she claims, doesn’t seem to take any responsibility for her own actions.
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October 6, 2007 10:56pm
Lisa

Actually Topcat it’s not Dewars ( or any other member of the police force for that matter) place to determine believability. It’s their duty to investigate and put the matter before the court to determine if the burden of proof is met. And when one of these matters did get to court Dewar through the case by submitting inadmissable evidence and THAT is what he has been done for …called perverting the course of justice. Perverting is right, should be incarcerated on that score alone. Hard to imagine anyone suggesting a 13 year old should be taking responsibility for the actions of an adult male police officer actually. Quite telling that you think she should. I challenge you to read LN’s book and then you may understand why she was victim to so many. Not as uncommon as you may think as sexual crime evidence demonstrates. Many victims ( or survivors) of sexual abuse sadly are targeted by predators for many reasons including their vulnerability & their lack of self worth. Perhaps you know a 13 year old Topcat…how ‘wordly’ is she??? They’re kids at this age. FFS LN had not even started mensturating when she was first raped! Pretty tragic when we start painting the victim as the villain. Rot in jail Dewar & on your deathbed I hope you rot in hell as well!
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