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August 1, 2007 8:24am by David Farrar

Abuser Identified

Peter Mc has been abused (as defined by new hospital questions) repeatedly. He identifies the abusers on his blog.

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Porcupine

Yep, and the National Council of Women has said that “more resources will be needed”. Get aboard folks, another gravy train is about to leave the station.

Violent crime has remained approximately static over the last 10-12 years on a per capita basis, despite massive increases in government spending, targeting of at risk comminities, studies by numerous universities, govt depts and quangos, and an explosion of “pipi foundations”. When are we allowed to ask to see some results?
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August 1, 2007 8:34am
dad4justice

How ironic that a delegation from feminaziland – National Council of Menhaters will address the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW ).

I wonder if I get state funding to go to the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Discrimination Against Men (CEDAM)? –Yeah right!

Just think I could invite the author’s of recent academic studies to explain how after extensive research they found the perpetrators of domestic violence to be equal in numbers from both genders.

No one can tell me that is government is not guilty of shameful unlawful sexism!
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August 1, 2007 8:55am
sam dixon

DPF-

A serious effort to tackle a serious issue and what do we get from you?

A) Critique that might improve the solution? or,
B) A sober reflection on the scale of the problem (child homicide has decreased 26% in the last 10 years but is 3rd highest in the OECD) or,
C) Links to childish digs at Labour

Well, who would have guessed.
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August 1, 2007 9:56am
3-coil

Get over yourself Sam.

You might be impressed by this latest pathetic attempt to tackle this issue, but its just more buck-passing from a Labour government that has run out of ideas. None of their “solutions” have improved the stats – while everyone is pointing out the disaster that is Labour’s legacy, you attack the messenger.

A) Why should DPF provide policy for the empty vessel Labour?
B) We all know the scale of the problem – duh!
C) Why are these digs “childish”? Peter Mc has sarcasticly paraphrased the futile straw-clutching attempts of the pathetic failure that is Labour.
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August 1, 2007 10:20am
Chris

He’s male though. Nobody’s interested if he’s been abused.
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August 1, 2007 10:21am
sam dixon

3-coil said
“Why should DPF provide policy for the empty vessel Labour?”

Becuase people, real flesh and blood humans, are suffering every day – proper critiques leading to better soltuions might help ease that terrible burden, but for jokers like you its all about who gets to sit on the Treasury benches.
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August 1, 2007 10:27am
gd

Im thinking of complaining to the Human Rights Commission that as a man I am being discriminated against by not being asked the same questions if I am admitted to hospital. My case will also be that this presupposes that no man has ever been the subject of the matters contained in the questions and ask what evidence can be produce to support this assumption.
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August 1, 2007 10:28am
ROSS

Sam wrote: “A serious effort to tackle a serious issue and what do we get from you?”

You call that a serious effort? I thought the anti-smacking bill was a serious effort. And that doesn’t appear to be working either.
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August 1, 2007 10:29am
David Farrar

Oh Sam you are so precious.

It is now my job as a blogger to solve the issue of child abuse.

And unless I solve it, I can’t criticise flaws in other proposals.

As it is, I pointed out in my pervious post that such a scheme would be fine if it was targeted at all patients with injuries (regardless of gender) rather than only female patients regardless of whether they are sick or injured.
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August 1, 2007 10:38am
Murray

Yeah come on Dave, blog about what the socialist apologist monkey tells you to blog about and toe the party line eh.

Where the hell do you think you are, some western democracy with “free speech” or something?
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August 1, 2007 11:51am
sam dixon

DPF –

Didn’t say you had to solve the problem – just thought a critique rather than childish belittlling of attempts to confront the problem might be better.

I find it strange that something like this gets turned into a male-pride issue. We all know the vast majority of abise victims are women and children – women in hospital are a logical group to screen for abuse, its not because all men are thought to be abusers or its asumed none are abused, – but, I agree why not ask all patients? Couldn’t hurt.
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August 1, 2007 11:51am
sam dixon

actually, where did you say all people should be asked these three questions? in the post, you question whether its worthwhile even asking all women
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August 1, 2007 12:00pm
David Farrar

Women in hospital for injuries are a logical group to screen. Those in for tonsilitis or cancer treatment are not, and I suspect will resent being questioned.

Personally I would question all men, women and children who have any injury – but not those who are just in for sickness.

Will even women giving birth be questioned about whether they are beaten up or abused during the eight hours or so they are in hospital?
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August 1, 2007 12:38pm
Seamonkey Madness

Woman walks into a hospital.
Symptoms include black eye, also bruising to the wrists and neck and cuts to face plus cigarette burns to legs and complains of pain in the genital area.

Man walks into a hospital.
Symptoms include black eye, also bruising to the wrists and neck and cuts to face plus cigarette burns to legs and complains of pain in the genital area.

If you were going to ask the three questions, why would you not ask both the woman and the man?
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August 1, 2007 12:52pm
gd

Dear oh dear I cant imagine the trauma these questions will have on ladies of my late mothers age. Just imagine a 20 something nurse interogating at 80 something lady about the husband she has been married to for 50 plus years and who has never ever thought about such things.

So much for the caring sharing bilious bitch and her cohorts
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August 1, 2007 12:54pm
3-coil

Sam – you seem to know it all, where’s your solution to this problem? It seems you too are guilty of sitting on the sideline criticizing DPF and other commenters, but it appears you have nothing constructive to add to the debate either. “Well, who would have guessed”…indeed.
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August 1, 2007 1:53pm
peteremcc

Chris: “He’s male though. Nobody’s interested if he’s been abused.”

That was one of the points Chris.
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August 1, 2007 2:25pm
sam dixon

3-coil –

I’m not an expert on the issue, nor do I pretend to be. I’m simply a) pointing out the benefits of the proposed quesitoning b) pointing out the flaws in criticisms of the propsed questioning and c) saying lets not have childish tautns of a serious effort to tackle a serious issue
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August 1, 2007 2:47pm
Seamonkey Madness

Sam,

I know you are no expert on the issue (as you stated above) but could you answer my very simplistic question please?

Furthermore, why won’t these questions be asked to only targeted demographics/obivous cases and not the ridiculous examples that DPF gave?

Or is that being racist? (and I’m not saying you are! I am merely asking if you think that asking the questions to “demographically anomalous” cases is.)
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August 1, 2007 2:58pm

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