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May 29, 2007 10:42am by David Farrar

Destiny Protest photos

Nigel has lots of photos from the Destiny protest up at Waitangi. More people than I expected.

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SPC

I guess Destiny bosses must hire Destiny workers, just as EB bosses hire EB workers. Otherwise how do so many get the day off work?
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May 29, 2007 9:44pm
Redbaiter

Good on them. Were they the only ones with the balls to protest these damn commies? What a Stalinist basket case this country has become.
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May 29, 2007 11:15pm
Bearhunter

Could someone tell me which war those “forefathers who fought for a Christian country” were involved in? I remember several references to wars being fought variously that small nations might be free or to clear the storm clouds over europe, but I’m fucked if I can remember one involving NZ soldiers that was fought for Christianity.
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May 30, 2007 8:26am
dave

More people than I expected.

There was an amusing moment on Morning Report yesterday. Sean sarcastically asked Archbishop Tamaki: “So how many protesters will there be? Dozens or hundreds?”

The cardinal replied, after being momentarily taken aback by the acidic tone of voice: “Thousands, Sean.”

His holiness can sure pull in a crowd, much, much bigger ones than the usual rent-a-mob ones someone like Valerie Morse arranges, I will concede him that.
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May 30, 2007 9:24am
TomS

Every now and again we have to suffer through a neo-fascist with messianic pretensions and his blackshirt henchmen seeking to intimidate us into accepting his intolerant and narrow views. Bishop Brian is just another small time Oswald Mosley.
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May 30, 2007 9:34am
pass-the-dutchie (from the left hand side)

Good to see the snivelling Dutch immigrant (Joris de Bres) putting Tamaki and all the other natives/Christians in their place.

The Destiny crew should check with Uncle Joris and get their facts straight before rushing off to Waitangi to be so intrusive and disruptive. After all, what right do they have to be there?
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May 30, 2007 9:46am
Redbaiter

“Brian is just another small time Oswald Mosley.”

What a cowardly smear.. Can’t get anything on him so smear him by association. You leftists are just such horrible people.
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May 30, 2007 9:46am
llew

Shouldn’t those children be in school? 🙂
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May 30, 2007 10:07am
Ross Miller

Llew … and the kinds that were herded along by their teacher on Friday to participate in Aunty Helen’s reopening of the Labour Party Mangere office too.
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May 30, 2007 10:15am
llew

“”Brian is just another small time Oswald Mosley.”

What a cowardly smear..”

Out of interest, why is this cowardly? Anyway, Tamaki is surely inviting the comparison, even if it isn’t accurate.
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May 30, 2007 10:18am
llew

“and the kinds that were herded along by their teacher on Friday to participate in Aunty Helen’s reopening of the Labour Party Mangere office too.”

Yeah, that was what I was alluding to. Maybe we can arrange a truancy ambush for the next big protest or gala opening. 🙂

That’d play well on the news.
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May 30, 2007 10:27am
Psycho Milt

Yes, TomS – what a cowardly smear. You should take an example from Redbaiter and stick to relevant, logical, persuasive argument that avoids personal insult…
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May 30, 2007 11:11am
Tim

I’dbe curious to know Bishop Brian’s opinions with regard to Jews. Whilst not numerically large, I’m fairly sure there have been members of the Jewish community in NZ since the earliest European settlements.
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May 30, 2007 11:28am
TomS

Cowardly smear? Take one transparent tinpot wannabe, give him an army of blackshirted followers, add to the mix intolerance based on culture/religious/racial difference and what have you got? Didn’t we fight that sort of thing in WW2?

I seem to recall a lot of people here declaring their reverence for our the sacrifice of our fallen on ANZAC day. Some of you should practice what you preach.

Instead, what we get is the usual drivel from Farrar’s Fascists. Maybe redbaiter with get a little runic “FF” for his shirt collar so he’ll be suitably dressed when he beats the outlanders, and imprisons the traitors?
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May 30, 2007 11:35am
richgraham

Mr Tamaki and his followers and sympathisers are fearful. They fear that their Christian religion is being deliberately undermined by this government. The government says the inter-faith conference is not a government initiative – which is simply a falsehood – the presence of government leaders and representatives like Mr de Bres show that.
Given this government’s record of deceit, the protestations by Mrs Clark are not believable. NZers do not believe Mrs Clark and her statements. Given the numbers of non-Christian representatives in the NZ delegation to the conference, out of all proportion to their numbers in our population, the fears of Mr Tamaki and his flock are reasonable.
The question we should ask ourselves is this – why is the government doing this ? There is absolutely no need for any such conference, there is no need for ‘statements of religious diversity’, there is no need to declare that NZ is not a Christian country. The way we are proceeding is working pretty well.
I suspect Mr Tamaki and his people think that this government wants to undermine and maybe worsen the position of the Christian religion in NZ – as a part of the continuing Labour ‘progressive’ campaign to improve NZers and make them better people – better by the lights of progressive belief.
It doesn’t appear that God is about to save NZ, perhaps Mr Tamaki and his flock will. Certainly the Labour government won’t.
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May 30, 2007 12:15pm
dad4justice

TomS hows Tim ? I am busy getting his cell ready in the liarbore prison , no visiting allowed sorry dear , but lots and lots of electrodes , panty slut boy will like them .
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May 30, 2007 12:18pm
phillipjohn

“Good on them. Were they the only ones with the balls to protest these damn commies? What a Stalinist basket case this country has become.”

Doesn’t surprise me that RB is a Destiny supporter – wait a destroy any last shred of credibility you had! I wonder if, being for a minimal state, you would be willing to pay Brian’s 10% tithe/income tax!
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May 30, 2007 1:19pm
Captain Crab

Toms, please detail when Destiny Church ahd its Crystal Night? Must have missed that one.Or indeed any examples of when they have resorted to violent behavour.
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May 30, 2007 1:19pm
Captain Crab

Toms, please detail when Destiny Church ahd its Crystal Night? Must have missed that one.Or indeed any examples of when they have resorted to violent behavour.
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May 30, 2007 1:20pm
les paul

Ironic that the only response that TomS and llew can muster re: Tamaki @ the Waitangi Interfaith Dialogue meeting, is to revert to type, and indulge in a bit of…. Christian-bashing!

Can’t help yourselves eh boys?
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May 30, 2007 2:34pm
Redbaiter

“Doesn’t surprise me that RB is a Destiny supporter”

So what do you have against them PJ? Alert me to the danger.
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May 30, 2007 3:22pm
Levan

TomS

You are an ignorant man with intolerant views.
Pot calling the kettle I would say…
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May 30, 2007 4:18pm
Redbaiter

“I seem to recall a lot of people here declaring their reverence for our the sacrifice of our fallen on ANZAC day. Some of you should practice what you preach.”

You dare to use the memory of fallen ANZACs in your disgusting and cowardly smears??? What a revolting person you truly are. The rhetoric you use here against a group which has not broken any laws is reminiscent of the kind of language the Nazis used during their persecution of the Jews. You are the barbarian that is the danger TomS. If the fallen ANZACS you insult were fighting anything, it was exactly the kind of mindset exhibited by bigoted intolerant hate mongers such as you.
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May 30, 2007 4:22pm
llew

“and indulge in a bit of…. Christian-bashing!

Can’t help yourselves eh boys?”

Eh? Christian bashing? Nothing wrong with Christians, Les, you should meet a few, they’re generally nice. Some of my best friends etc.

Actually, I’d dispute I was bashing anything.
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May 30, 2007 4:47pm
Sofia

So, given all this krap, where does it leave the Parliamentary prayer, the PMs’ and MPs’ oath of allegiance to the Queen, and the Queen’s Christmas Christian message to the masses?
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May 30, 2007 5:26pm
phillipjohn

“So what do you have against them PJ? Alert me to the danger.”

Well there are many things, the most egregious of which is probably Bryan’s intollerance for homosexuality. That kind of repugnant bigotry has no place in a modern secular state, and I think it’s safe to say the vast majority of New Zealanders will agree with me.
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May 30, 2007 7:16pm
woppo

For Brian Tamaki, Christianity is nothing more than a brand to be hijacked for the advancement of his pyramid extortion racket. Painting him as a spokesman for some kind of oppressed minority is a huge hoot. As for fearful, his followers certainly are. Fear is the tool that the self-ordained ‘bishop’ employs to keep the cash cow pumping. The only fear that he knows is that of being exposed as the scoundrel he is.
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May 30, 2007 7:25pm
Redbaiter

“Well there are many things, the most egregious of which is probably Bryan’s intollerance for homosexuality.”

Oh, you mean that he dares to express a view counter to current PC doctrines relating to homosexuality?? Well, that’s it then. He’s obviously a very dangerous man. Lets hang him from a lamp post right now PJ.
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May 30, 2007 8:49pm
Redbaiter

“being exposed as the scoundrel he is.”

Well expose him. What’s the problem?
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May 30, 2007 9:01pm
woppo

I know freaking well that he’s a scoundrel. It’s his followers who have the problem. Now get back to cultivating your terminal case of Stalin-envy, you tedious little piece of arrested development.
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May 30, 2007 9:06pm
dad4justice

woppo – look in the mirror to find the freakish scoundrel you ratfink/slime machine gutter dweller !!!
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May 30, 2007 9:13pm
Redbaiter

“I know freaking well that he’s a scoundrel.”

So he’s already exposed or what? Sorry, can’t get your drift.
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May 30, 2007 9:26pm
phillipjohn

He’s obviously a very dangerous man. Lets hang him from a lamp post right now PJ.”

well, no – you have to be able to muster at least 5% of the vote in order to be a threat (let’s face it he’s never going to win a seat) – and at the moment the self-appointed Arch Bishop’s flock is stagnant at about 1%.

“you mean that he dares to express a view counter to current PC doctrines relating to homosexuality?”

you mean PC doctrines like general tolerance and respect for individual choice? Yes I already know that you think these things are a horrible scourge on our society Baiter, but the problem is that no one agrees with you save for maybe Destiny, the National Front and Chucky Bird. Once again you find yourself in impeccable company.
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May 30, 2007 9:29pm
phillipjohn

“woppo – look in the mirror to find the freakish scoundrel you ratfink/slime machine gutter dweller !!!”

D4J – Time to put that bottle of Jonny Walker down and go to bed mate.
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May 30, 2007 9:33pm
Redbaiter

“well, no”

You said you would inform me of why he was dangerous. Now you’re saying you haven’t done that? Care to try again then?

“you mean PC doctrines like general tolerance and respect for individual choice?”

That’s the tolerance that has them locking Christians up in Canada? How many people has Tamaki jailed exactly?

“the problem is that no one agrees with you”

But if they did, that would make me right? Gawd you leftists are shallow fuckwits..

I don’t agree with persecuting homosexuals, but I’m not yet convinced that Tamaki does this, and one damn thing I know for sure, the day I join with hate driven bigots and slanderers like you PJ Woppo and TomS is the day I surrender to ignorance savagery and barbarity.

Homosexuals have decided to make themselves a politically active group. They have to expect some counter to their propaganda and their attacks on freedom of expression, attacks that make them as bad as anyone they criticize.

I don’t know much about Tamaki, and what he says or does, but hell, if he manages to get so far under the skin of repellent anti-free speech capitalist hating people like you, TomS and the rest, he must be doing something right.
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May 30, 2007 9:48pm
woppo

Daddy and Redbaiter – a pair of stupid and frightened little men who find the internet a convenient fence to pointlessly run up and down behind, barking like dogs.
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May 30, 2007 10:56pm
Redbaiter

Poor woppo. Another sad commie lamer who hates reading stuff that challenges his mindless mediocre by rote scribblings, but is so stunned by any challenge he can’t ever come up with any coherent counter argument.
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May 30, 2007 11:18pm
Bearhunter

And yet another thread descends into personal abuse. Ever heard of playing the ball, not the man? Or don’t they each that at the kindy you attend?
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May 31, 2007 1:04pm
Redbaiter

Always amazes me that people like you can write such stuff without being aware of what a hypocrite it makes you look. Complaining of “personal abuse” but apparently lacking sufficient self control to refrain from adding to it. Weird.
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May 31, 2007 4:40pm
A.J.Chesswas

What is this, the script for some cheesy slapstick sitcom? Thought I’d pay a visit for the first time in ages, this is pretty base discussion guys. I suppose Farrar has given up on any idea this would be a place for real discussion on politics and current affairs. Don’t get me wrong, if slapping each other is your thing, and David doesn’t mind, then go for it. I’m just suprised, that’s all…
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May 31, 2007 8:57pm
Redbaiter

So whats the point in YOUR post AJ, that just had to be made?? My advice to anyone who thought things had gone down hill would be to not risking worsening that impression by leaving off topic sanctimonious messages on a thread that died a long time ago.

Furthermore, I reject the accusation that this is no longer “a place for real discussion on politics and current affairs”.

This has always been a popular site and traffic shows no sign of dropping off. (in fact I think its steadily increasing) Mr. Farrar puts a lot of effort into writing mostly interesting and provocative lead comments. There are threads on here that are interesting, and there are threads on here that quickly die. That’s the way it goes.

Whatever, its doubtful that your supercilious empty of real content spiteful little contribution contributed much more than the worst message on this thread. So you’ve got nothing to feel superior about, especially given that attempting to portray yourself as up-market was transparently the real reason for your contribution.

What you and your thuggish mates on the left need to realize AJ is the days when they could bully and abuse those on the political right into silence and remain free of criticism are long gone.
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May 31, 2007 10:19pm
Bearhunter

Redbaiter, I was merely commenting on the childish nature of the insult-swapping. And after reading some of AJ’s posts on his blog, I’d hardly place him on the left.
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June 1, 2007 8:48am
Redbaiter

Well hell, I can’t remember what political stance AJ normally takes, but to make such a comment seemed to me typical of a leftist. If I’m wrong about that and AJ isn’t a leftist then I withdraw and apologise. My criticism on the message remains valid tho. There’s just no point writing comments here saying the site has turned to shit. You either write something sensible and pertinent or STFU. IMHO.

“I was merely commenting on the childish nature of the insult-swapping.”

Yep, and then you had to add your own little childish insult about attending kindy. What the fuck do you think you gained??
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