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October 17, 2006 10:36am by David Farrar

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innocentIII

Mmmm who does one dislike more …. the Labour Party or debt collectors?
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October 17, 2006 1:07pm
Peter S

Well, if its a matter of trust, you can usually expect a debt collector to keep their word. They will come back and strip you of your assets…..

Hm

Maybe not so much difference after all…
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October 17, 2006 1:16pm
Murray

At least you can negotiate with a debt collector and they leave you alone when you’re bankrupt.

Cullen will keep taking your money when you die.
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October 17, 2006 1:19pm
NikonD2H

Priceless!!..Helen and the SisterHood will probably pass a law to get rid off Debt Collecting Agencies next.
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October 17, 2006 1:21pm
Seamonkey Madness

Well that would be the only decent law they would bring in, in a while then!
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October 17, 2006 1:29pm
NikonD2H

Priceless!!..Helen and the SisterHood will probably pass a law to get rid off Debt Collecting Agencies next.
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October 17, 2006 1:29pm
phil u

uh oh..can anyone else see/smell the moderators..?

(it’s the sandals and socks and clipboards that give them away..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 17, 2006 1:36pm
NikonD2H

Priceless!!..Helen and the SisterHood will probably pass a law to get rid off Debt Collecting Agencies next.
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October 17, 2006 1:39pm
Ten Cents

Hey Phil, I should put you on my list along with Sonic.

get a job buddy.

Whhoooorrr, I couldn’t do that, he says.
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October 17, 2006 1:46pm
phil u

ew..!..imagine what they must be like..eh..?

to volunteer/clamour to ‘moderate’/censor someone elses’ blog..?

does that set a new benchmark for “gettalife..!..”….or what..?

i have this image of either little skinny or big fat geeky righties….with a strange taste in clothes..
(who for some reason snuffle/wheeze when they talk..)

with ambitions to be parking wardens..(if it wasn’t so public..eh..?..)

this is better..they can lurk in the shadows…poised..

tee-hee!…eh..?

(but sad also..)

(i wonder what they will do with this comment..?.)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 17, 2006 1:46pm
Ten Cents

Hey Phil,

Why cant you write using proper sentences and paragraphs?

Just a question.
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October 17, 2006 1:51pm
phil u

why can’t you punctuate correctly..?

(cant is actually can’t..eh..?..the ‘ is to replace the missing ‘o’..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 17, 2006 1:56pm
phil u

why can’t you punctuate correctly..?

(cant is actually can’t..eh..?..the ‘ is to replace the missing ‘o’..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 17, 2006 1:58pm
NikonD2H

Breaking news Helen and the Sister Hood changing the law regarding Debt Collectors and there Agencies
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October 17, 2006 2:03pm
NikonD2H

Breaking news Helen and the Sister Hood changing the law regarding Debt Collectors and there Agencies
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October 17, 2006 2:06pm
moe

Actually phil, its to replace the missing ‘n’ and ‘o’ – some spelling nazi you are.
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October 17, 2006 2:06pm
Murray

mmerk… grffle….nerk nerk … kasplurk! Ha ha so there… sniffle… blurk blurk!!!

God help anyone who can understand the silly little tosser with is paranoid accusations of moderation.

Hullen must be so pleased to have him on the team.

LOOK OUT PHOOL the black helicopters are coming for you!!

Or are they blue?
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October 17, 2006 2:09pm
Ten Cents

Thankyou Moe.

I wasn’t suggesting that everything had to be classroom perfect but I am assuming English is Phil’s first language. So, it shouldn’t be hard to complete a comprehensible sentence or even a paragraph. (Para- what, huh, Whoooaar!) Additionally, your punctuation is appalling.

Hey Phil, do you need some help with your jobhunting? Don’t you get bored doing this all day, every day?

Don’t be put off by your lack of grammatical nous; bullet points are all the rage these days. Whooaarrrr!!!!!!!!
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October 17, 2006 2:18pm
Ben Wilson

LOL, parliament is sovereign in this country, so it would be a pretty interesting constitutional crisis if the courts came after them. I think parliament would win because they still have the army, a fact Lincoln reputedly consoled himself with. But those were pretty crap times, wouldn’t want it here.

Then again…it is about time we had a republic…I vote for a system based on referenda, with no parties or representatives at all. Just issues. Yeah, right, like any major political party will go for that.
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October 17, 2006 2:19pm
sonic

Conservatives and humour, its just a contradiction in terms!
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October 17, 2006 2:23pm
Murray

Who told you parilment has the military Ben.

I’m flipping through a copy of my oath and there’s a couple of people at the top of the list that are not the Labour party.

Helen Clark is NOT CIC or the NZ Armed Forces. She is not even in the chain of command.

So pesky those fact things aren’t they. Quick make up some good sounding regulation to support your inacurate claims!

You can cluck republic till the cows come home but there’s still a crown at the top of every badge of the armed forces and they don’t work for Helen.
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October 17, 2006 2:26pm
Ben Wilson

Murray, you’re kidding right? You really don’t think the Prime Minister is in control of the army? Who is then? Who do you think ‘The Crown’ is?

As for oaths, I never swore one to follow the laws of NZ, but that doesn’t mean I won’t be made to anyway. If you’re in the army, you’re doing what Clark wants, right now. Which has always been one of my main reasons for never signing up myself – that one day someone I didn’t agree with could be telling me to kill someone. Or in your case you’re being told you’re not allowed to kill someone when you really, really want to.

Unless you join a rebellion, of course. Good luck.

I’m not clucking republic, but I’m not clucking constitutional crisis either. I’m too pragmatic to want either one.
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October 17, 2006 2:52pm
Danyl Mclauchlan

The Military is responsible to the Minister of Defense (Goff) who is bound by the Collective Cabinet responsibilty and answers to the leader of his party (the Prime Minister).
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October 17, 2006 3:14pm
Murray

Ben having admitted you’ve never taken an oath and knowing that I have what makes you think you’re in a better paosition to know what it invloves?

Helen Clark as PM of New Zealand HAS NO DIRECT COMMAND OF THE ARMED FORCES. From Gen Mataprae to a private TF soldier she is not able to tell them to do so much and do up a boot lace.

The Minister of Defence does. However that minister is also not the CIC.

No revolution is required. Who do you think makes sure that when the GG sacks a government they go?

You can be asured that in the past – and if needed in the future – PM’s have issued what they lovingly asumed to be orders to the military only to be told no.

Saint David Lange wet himself repeatedly on national television because Gen Mace pretty much told him to cram it when Dave wanted to commit New Zealand to unilateral, non-UN approved military action in another nation.

The very thought of people who are willing to join an organisation that holds to concepts like duty and honor just plain scares the crap out of you doesn’t it.

If you can’t be bothered to find out what you’re talking about don’t make the wild claims based on your own willful asumptions.

You want an elected political to have control of the military then move to a republic. You can be a Bush fan, wont that be fun.

First person you swear loyalty to is HMTQ. Deal with it.
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October 17, 2006 3:19pm
Ben Wilson

Murray, what makes you think you are in a better position to know what making an oath means? Are your oaths somehow more important than mine?

The Minister of Defence is appointed by Clark. They can be reappointed. The Minister can get rid of the General. They could disband the army completely, if they wanted. You could be sacked, by Clark, at any time, following this chain of power. Get it?

Naturally this power doesn’t need to be exercised. But it could be. Lange chose not to exercise it, but he could have simply got rid of Mace, if he had any kind of authoritarian bent, or if the need was great enough. You are a fool if you think the PM doesn’t have that kind of power.

As for your duty and honour, you are full of crap, mate. You will do what your CO tells you, or be court-martialled and kicked out of the army. You have abdicated all right to even think about the incredibly moral issue of taking other people’s lives.

My own sense of honour involves personally standing up for what I think is right, not getting a gun, lining up with a bunch of fellow rule-followers, and shooting whoever the man says. You may think that’s full of duty and honour, but only you are fooled.

The only way that what you do could ever be considered to have a moral basis was if the chain of command itself ultimately was in the people’s custody. In NZ that means via elected representatives.

I can appreciate that considerable personal bravery is often required in the army, and that many, even a majority, of recruits have noble intentions. I’m not saying the army are all bastards. I’m just saying they have no special claim to a moral high ground just because they’re full of noble intentions, carrying a gun and addicted to adrenaline.

Oaths to the Queen are as much of a joke in NZ as they are in the UK. When was the last time the Queen had anything at all to say about where NZ troops are deployed? Or even British troops? I’m guessing the last queen who had that kind of power was QE1. If you took them seriously it is because you have an overly-literal frame of mind.
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October 17, 2006 3:56pm
phil u

look..!..

“..mmerk… grffle….nerk nerk … kasplurk! Ha ha so there… sniffle… blurk blurk!!!..”

murrays’ having one of his ‘turns’…

quick…!..someone roll him on his side..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 17, 2006 3:59pm
Danyl Mclauchlan

The very thought of people who are willing to join an organisation that holds to concepts like duty and honor just plain scares the crap out of you doesn’t it.

How many barracks toilets did your ‘honor and duty’ sucker you into cleaning?
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October 17, 2006 4:00pm
MrTips

You’d know a lot about toilets wouldn’t you Danyl?
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October 17, 2006 4:22pm
phil u

so murray..your idea of ‘duty and honour’is following orders to commit mindless killings…of other men women and children…?

wow..!..that’s something to respect..eh..?

what..a..man..!

show me a ‘good’/necessary war..murray..?
(hitler/ww2 excepted)

that good ol’ military mentality..eh..?

that mentality that has brought us such delights as passchendale/the somne..and…and..and..on to the present day..

and surprise.!.surprise..!..murray is gung ho! on iraq… go figure..!..eh..?)

suddenly you become very ‘clear’ murray..

and instantly dismissable…as a sad cliche/caricature…

welded to arcane military rituals/mindsets..

that drive/colour/explain your (mainly) abusive rhetoric…

so..you are a colnel blimp…just there for me to poke pointy sticks at/have fun with….
(and i’ve just been given a whole new bunch of buttons to push/play with.)

.an army-head…as easy as a walk in the park…almost too easy..!)

hang on murray..!..

i’ll get back to you..

i just have to go and sharpen some quills..eh.?

phil(whoar.co.nz
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October 17, 2006 4:30pm
matt

we have one of the best credit ratings in the world
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October 17, 2006 4:53pm
exocet

Ben, Dim, Phool:

Those that know will understand.

Those that don’t never, ever will.
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October 17, 2006 4:53pm
side show bob

I see Dear Leader is rallying the troops to pay the bill, quess she is on the bones of her arse again.

Boy she must be fun to live with, poor old Pete would have to pay for all the champagne and caviar. I wonder if the unions have been told they will again be “donating” by the Liarbour heavies, shit I would be pissed off. Not only do you have to pay your paye you then get the extra privilege of creasing Dear Leaders palms, fuck what a rip off.

Phil and Sonic what are doing here shouldn’t you be out and about shaking someone down, you know how Dear Leader gets through the cash.
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October 17, 2006 5:17pm
phil u

a bit like the mongrel mob/hells angels is it exocet..?

you have to totally buy in to being a staunch ‘bro’..eh..?

so..it’s just a matter of who’se got the best uniform..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 17, 2006 5:36pm
ChickenLittle

phule

War came before politics.

Its what we do.

Humans.

Thousands of years.

Not fifty.Not a hundred. Thousands.

The end..eh..?
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October 17, 2006 7:37pm
James

phil(whore to labour come what may).co.nz
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October 17, 2006 8:04pm
phil u

no james..i’m a green whore..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 17, 2006 10:20pm
Spirit Of 76

I’m afraid Ben, Murray is right about you. You stand for nothing, apart from the dietary requirements of your own ego.
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October 18, 2006 12:17am
j

“I’m afraid Ben, Murray is right about you. You stand for nothing, apart from the dietary requirements of your own ego. ”

Murray was right about my wifes toe jam.He has these powers Ben.
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October 18, 2006 12:27am
Ben Wilson

No Spirit, I just stand for different things to you and Murray, but you don’t seem to be able to handle that.

J, the army does make a man out of you. I wonder what he started as…
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