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May 18, 2006 8:01am by David Farrar

Gay scarf offended

Slow news day. A man is offended because a police officer called his *scarf* “a bit too gay”.

The scarf is receiving counselling.

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Murray

“”I was pretty shocked and didn’t know what to say. I don’t think this is appropriate behaviour and I think that people should be made aware of these negative attitudes,” he said.”

I think he might find that the police is not a profession for him given how easily he is offended. There’s a lot more abuse, being hit and running than there is group hugs.

His comment seems kind of gay too.
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May 18, 2006 8:21am
Scott Higham

I’m offended too.

This was a recruitment officer at a careers expo.

Where does he get off?

I can tell you that if somebody in my organisation made that type of remark when talking to potential new staff, they would be out of a job.

This is completely inappropriate from this person in the context of where these comments were made.

It does nothing to improve the Police’s appalling reputation in the community it is there to support, and even the apology (which implies that the person who was wearing the scarf should not have ‘taken it personally’) was lack lustre and ill-informed.

Its not funny.

Its sick.

Scott.
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May 18, 2006 8:27am
PabloR

Come on, one of you is dying to write that it’s political correctness gone mad.

Silly thing to say, but from the sounds of the context on the news this morning they were engaging in a bit of banter (surely asking to wear the policeman’s hat is a bit gay too?)

Must be bored waiting for the budget to ge news articles out of the student rag…
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May 18, 2006 8:53am
AGJ

Oh ffs harden up. We are creating a society of nambie pambie cry babies.
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May 18, 2006 9:00am
Murray

Even better, we’re creating a ploice force or nambie pambie cry babies.

Read the hand wringing and sensitivity crap training that we paying for in that article.

I’d rather they were trained to read maps and answer the damn phone first.
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May 18, 2006 9:05am
Uroskin

It’s about time the cops got told that their uniforms need an upgrade from the ill-fitting trousers and badly tailored and garish light-blue shirts to the silly hats. No crim is intimidated by that sartorial incompetence.
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May 18, 2006 9:10am
Scott Higham

NO NO NO.

I refuse to sit here and let the Police be exempt from the same standards that apply to other employees for basic standards of professional conduct.

As I say, if this happened somewhere other than the Police, the person would potentially be out of a job for breaching basic standards of conduct.

Yeah, perhaps its banter. Perhaps its a bit fun.

BUT, and this cannot be overemphasised, this is a person who is responsible for recruiting new staff in an area where turnover is unacceptably high.

This is a person who is charged with bringing new talent into an organisation well known for employing bumbling idiots and thickos, and trying to change its public perception.

He appears to have no idea of the impact of his actions, let alone the broader responsibility he holds as a public servant to avoid creating the perception the Police is any different to other employers in the sector.

I’m highly offended at (1) the comments, which were stupid and ill-advised, and (2) the fact that taxpayer money is being used to employ a person who clearly doesnt understand what he is employed to do.

Scott.
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May 18, 2006 9:15am
Craig Ranapia

Scott:

Well, I’d probably be a little more inclined to tell the officers concerned that I could take ’em to a few clubs where a boy in uniform is queer as a three dollar bill. But that’s just me. 🙂

Seriously, I agree with you that the comment was utterly inappropriate and the chaps concerned should be ripped new arseholes at the first opportunity by their superiors. I certainly won’t be mincing down the nearest cop shop when I want my couture critiqued.

But, FFS, who does the stagey over-sensitivity really serve? Is it going to make policing a more attractive career for people who happen to he homosexual, or have gay and lesbian officers lunging for the PERF application forms? Is it going to make gay and lesbian tax-payers feel any more secure in theit homes, or on the street?

I have my doubts; but I am sure that the Police have much better things to expend time and resources on than ‘sensitivity training’ that will have as much effective as a good bitch-slapping and a written warning from a commanding officer.
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May 18, 2006 9:51am
Ross

Lighten up Scott. Don’t attribute to malice what could be easily attributed to stupidity. It’s not hard to consider how those sorts of comments could be spun. The reality is probably something far different – simply one officer making an off-hand comment that he would probably never say if the situation was formal or if he considered how those comments could be interpreted.

Perhaps you could shed some light on just what the ‘impact of his actions’ is? I’ve heard comments that I considered much more offensive being used as jokes by gay people. Is this one of those exclusive things where you can’t poke fun if you don’t know the secret handshake?

Let
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May 18, 2006 9:52am
gd

What amuses me is the Socialists PC crapola is coming back to bite them on the bum Couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of wankers.
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May 18, 2006 10:05am
Jeremy

I agree with Scott. It was a very inappropriate comment to be made especially by a policeman in work time.
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May 18, 2006 10:06am
culma

The officer used the correct terminology, when referring to item of clothing. The scarf was the item that should take offence not the individual wearing it. The officer didn’t call the student “a bit gay”.

This is excellent we are witnessing the end of “PC CRAP”
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May 18, 2006 10:12am
DavidW

FFS,
Some of us do remember when the word gay had an entirely different meaning before being hijacked to sanitize homosexuality. As far as I’m aware that meaning hasn’t been revoked yet.

Scott, if that is the extent that it takes for you to start ripping your bodice I’d advise that you get a life … and real quick.
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May 18, 2006 10:13am
Scott Higham

Ross and others:

Nobody is suggesting its malice. Its just stupidity.

From your average Plod, I would expect this sort of attitude and remark and put it down to flippancy and bad PR skills generally.

BUT THIS PERSON IS THE DISTRICT RECRUITING OFFICER.

I expect more from a person with these responsibilities, and so do the public.

I agree with Simon Power, who has said its basically just confirmed the view that the Police is not an employer of diversity and that they pretty much actively discourage recruitment from people outside the ‘norm’.

I find it interesting that on the “new cops” recruitment site they list having an Asian/Pacific Islander/Iwi liaision officer for each district.

So, recruitment is “inclusive” as long as you are from a particular ethnicity but not if you are gay.

It smacks of a double standard and a culture that is about 15 years behind the rest of NZ and most other major employers.

Scott.
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May 18, 2006 10:27am
Ross

Maybe Scott is on to something. The police should represent society as a whole. Perhaps we should go and survey the entire police force on their sexual preferences and find out if they have enough people to fit each quota. We can post the results on each stations notice board so they local commander can make sure he has enough gay/straight officers on duty at one time.

FFS.
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May 18, 2006 10:34am
Jeremy

Racism is not tolerated, but it’s a completely different story with homosexuality.
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May 18, 2006 10:34am
Jeremy

Ross – I agree that there shouldn’t be quotas, but neither should the police secretly discourage homosexuals from joining the force.
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May 18, 2006 10:46am
Murray

Yes we must all have our collective snese of humor removed!

Only white middle class males can have any form of negtive or even non-positive jest directed at them.

Get.a.grip

Scott you sound like your’ve ruptured your treasures.
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May 18, 2006 10:49am
Ross

Jeremy

When you talk about police discouraging gay people from joining I can’t help but think you have applied this specific incident to the wider police and labelled them all the same. Police HQ will no doubt say something about the incident. Ironically no one has any idea whether the person who made the comments was gay or not.
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May 18, 2006 10:51am
Insolent Prick

I think it’s good that a few homos get wound up by this. Dressing up as a cop and singing “Macho Macho Man” isn’t all there is to being a cop.

If you’re not hard enough to take a few insults, you’re not going to survive on the beat in Otara.
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May 18, 2006 10:51am
mikeybill

As a flaming homosexual myself, I am always opposed to homophobia. But given the way “gay” has morphed in meaning now for many younger people to something equivalent to “naff” (itself a word coming from London gay slang known as ‘polari’)I wonder if the officer was just trying to show he was down with the lingo the kids are using these days.

But, if he wasn’t, it is inappropriate, but not a hanging offence.

Now I’m going to put on my cerise chiffon scarf and go and have some lunch.
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May 18, 2006 10:59am
Ross

Jeremy

When you talk about police discouraging gay people from joining I can’t help but think you have applied this specific incident to the wider police and labelled them all the same. Police HQ will no doubt say something about the incident. Ironically no one has any idea whether the person who made the comments was gay or not.
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May 18, 2006 11:01am
mj

If anyone wants an insight into whats wrong with the police culture then get themselves an invite to a big night at a police canteen.You will be gobsmacked.
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May 18, 2006 11:10am
Jeremy

I have a family friend who’s a lesbian (not a radical feminist) who from first hand experience in a number of areas has found that there is quite a lot of homophobia within the police.

The police officer probably did mean gay as in poofter/fag/homosexual considering men wearing scarves are associated with homosexuality.
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May 18, 2006 11:13am
Jeremy

And it’s completely different when some peasant crim yells out
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May 18, 2006 11:19am
err..

The NZ Police uniform is rather gay in contrast to some of our international peers, now the subject comes up…

But I’m very happy to line up with those thinking it’s absolutely fuckwitted of the Police to have somebody who makes these kind of comments staffing a desk at a recruitment expo. Would they hire somebody who told the recruiting officer his hat was a bit gay? Space at these events isn’t free, so I have to wonder why they would be wasting public money on such idiocies given their seemingly obvious inability to actually make themselves appear professional and appealing as an employer.

It certainly costs more public money than a fucking $70 horoscope in an internal publication. Where’s Rodney when you need him? Oh, that’s right. Prancing around like a twat…
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May 18, 2006 11:29am
Scott Higham

Here is a thought.

Replace the word “gay” from these comments and put “Maori”.

(i.e “that scarf is a bit too Maori”)

Is there a difference?

Scott.
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May 18, 2006 11:29am
Ross

Isn’t it funny how if you start replacing words in sentences you can alter the meaning dramatically.

Not your best work Scott.
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May 18, 2006 11:35am
DavidW

Wow Jeremy, thanks for the info, there are now a whole bunch of guys wearing scarves that I will hesitate to sit next to on the bus tonight. Does this also mean that the ones with kids and scarves are closet queers or that a scarf wearer with a woman is just foolling himself and her?
HHHmmmmm this lends a whole new dimension to watching the world go by.
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May 18, 2006 11:37am
GPT

One phrase taken from one conversation over an entire night – context anyone? Not the brightest comment in the world but it is a little try-hard running off to the paper over it.
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May 18, 2006 11:41am
Murray

Lets try inserting the word “hysterical”.
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May 18, 2006 11:49am
brian_smaller

Scott – it wasn’t you who was wearing the scarf was it?
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May 18, 2006 11:49am
Murray

I’m starting to wonder that myself Brian.
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May 18, 2006 11:56am
TheFlyingEnchilada

So much for a slow news day.
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May 18, 2006 12:05pm
Daniel

So, we have the Safety in Schools For Queers (SS4Q) report out, saying how schools can combat negative usage of the word “gay,” because it easily offends. Now we have police using the word, because it is “cool?”

Yes, “gay” at one point did mean happy. However, its usage has dramatically changed of late, that even kids who know what the original meaning of “gay” was they’d still snigger at the “We’ll have a gay ol’ time” in the Flinstones theme song.

In reality the word “gay,” as in “That xxx is gay,” can offend many people, people as I read it, they are meaning that the scarf is bad, and therefore saying that gays are bad. That is how it is used by people these days.

I can only take that the police officer meant for it to have a negative connotation, as I would anyone I didn’t know and uses that word.

It was inappropriate through-and-through, especially since we have the police trying to pull off a “We aren’t homophobic” image with the inactment of GLBT-friendly police offers.
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May 18, 2006 12:08pm
PaulM

Where’s Rodney when you need him?

Last seen wearing a scarf.
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May 18, 2006 12:16pm
Craig Ranapia

Meanwhile… the new editor of US gay magazine Out takes good-humoured exception to blogger Andrew Sullivan misidentifying him as straight. Sullivan apoloigises for and corrects his act of grotesque insenitivity and the world keeps spinning forwardspinning forward on it’s axis without Sullivan undergoing sensitivity training.

Oh, for the record Scott, anyone calls me a nigger they better have dental cover. Anyone who said the Kia Kaha beanie I own is “too Maori” would just make me laugh – I’m pretty sure the designer would regard it as a compliment. (Just wait till I step out in the tino rangatiratanga t-shit some wag gave me for Christmas a few years back…)

Seriously folks, if this is the most serious issue facing the gay community in New Zealand isn’t life fabulous? And aren’t we all glad Mr Calcinai won’t be entering the police force – if an impertinent critique of his couture is that distressing, God only know how a fresh-faced honky like him would take a bit of lip on the means street of Counties-Manakau.
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May 18, 2006 12:22pm
Mark

Having seen the photo, the scarf definitely WAS gay. And the bloke who took umbrage really is a soft cock who wouldn’t last a day as a copper in my Far North town with common insults directed at Police being “fuck off you white pig cunt”.
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May 18, 2006 12:24pm
Danyl Mclauchlan

Stuff have a picture of the scarf in question and it is, in my opinion, a little bit gay.
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May 18, 2006 12:25pm
Murray

They would have had is ass Craig.

Not in a positive caring sharing way either.
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May 18, 2006 12:32pm
Ben Wilson

I think the real question is whether the scarf actually *was* a bit too gay. An unhappy, angry scarf might actually make a better cop scarf. A balding, wrinkled old one, not the young, fluffy fresh faced one depicted. What criminal would take such a scarf seriously?

I imagine that cops aren’t allowed scarfs at all on the beat, especially not tied in a slipknot for ease of strangling.
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May 18, 2006 12:36pm
Brian (Shadowfoot)

Seeing the photo and reading the article I can only assume that he was wearing the scarf because his girlfriend bought it for him.

The tastelessness of the scarf is such that only a straight man would be wearing it. It’s definitely not ‘gay’.
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May 18, 2006 12:44pm
Brian (Shadowfoot)

Seeing the photo and reading the article I can only assume that he was wearing the scarf because his girlfriend bought it for him.

The tastelessness of the scarf is such that only a straight man would be wearing it. It’s definitely not ‘gay’.
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May 18, 2006 12:48pm
anonymouse

speaking of things being “a bit gay”

check out ,

NB: Has sound and is a bit non-PC so probably non Work friendly
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May 18, 2006 12:54pm
anonymouse

D’oh it stripped out the HTML
2nd try, Not work friendly

http://www.42below.com/flashad/hero/
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May 18, 2006 1:00pm
burt

I think he doth protest too loudly about the use of the word ‘Gay’. Perhaps the powers of perception are alive and well in our Police force.
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May 18, 2006 1:03pm
Craig Ranapia

And am I the only person wondering why (presumably hetero) Mike Steer felt it was relevant to point out that Mr. Calcinai was at this expo with his girlfriend – yes, we get it: Not queer at all, not even a little bit bi-, strrrraight!!!

Now, personally, I really find it more offensive when straight boys (and the MSM that love them) have to affirm their hetero bona fides at the merest suggestion they may partake of the love that won’t bloody shut up. Guys, get over yourselves – I’ve nothing against heterosexuals, some of my best friends are straight, but why do you people have to constantly ram your lifestyle down everybody else’s throat? It’s just flaunting your sexual preference, and it’s disgusting! 🙂 It certainly offends me more than some idiot copper who seems to pick up his idioms from South Park re-runs.
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May 18, 2006 1:04pm
Insolent Prick

Looking at the Stuff photo, not only does the scarf look a bit gay, but the guy looks like a total homo.
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May 18, 2006 1:07pm
david

The scarf isnt gay, its really sad.I still think David Bain only got found guilty because of his striped jersey! That was a shocker.
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May 18, 2006 1:13pm
burt

Craig. I was taking the ‘preverbial’. I’ve got no issues with how anyone likes to get their jollies. That is between them and the person(s) they enjoy these activities with. As for ramming it down other peoples throats, perhaps a poor choice of phrase 🙂
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May 18, 2006 1:21pm
Murray

That was a photo of HIM????

I thought it was Oscar Wilde.

Hey Craig, We’re straight we date, get used to it!!!

Hetro Pide!!

Hell taking their boyfriends to gay bays is the only way girls can get them to hold hands these days.
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May 18, 2006 1:39pm
Ben Wilson

Important question: Did the cop concerned have a moustache?
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May 18, 2006 2:40pm
llew

“”I was pretty shocked and didn’t know what to say. I don’t think this is appropriate behaviour and I think that people should be made aware of these negative attitudes,” he said.”

Um… in this day & age what’s wrong with being labelled gay? This guy’s the one with the negative attitude 🙂

And yeah, the scarf was gay.

But really, his reply should have been “And THAT from a guy dressed like someone from the Village People?”
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May 18, 2006 2:50pm
baxter

Fortunately he has lost interest in joining the Police. I would reject him on the basis of his re-action to this harmless banter.He would need a much thicker skin to withstand the common banality between members of any Police Section, let alone the invective received from gangsters and young hoods. To hang the Senior Constable out to dry over it increases my contempt for modern Police Administration.
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May 18, 2006 3:04pm
Paula Weir

That is a fairly hideous colour for a scarf.
I think I would have been more inclined to comment on the poodle hair do.
This guy certainly needs to toughen up and get a sense of humour. Although I know a few police officers that have been called to task over minor issues and been equally overly sensitive and emotive.
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May 18, 2006 3:05pm
burt

Look it’s Christchurch for goodness sake. If he wasn’t wearing the correct School scarf then having it referred to as ‘gay’ is to be expected. This is all out of proportion. Joe Cop makes a silly comment, most likely reported out of context of the overall conversation, and this guy wants some milage out of it.

I would blame Police loosing their jobs for driving the PM before I blame this little side show RE: issues with Police recruitement.
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May 18, 2006 3:21pm
Clint

The scarf was gay and the hysteria from this throw away post by David is totally gay.
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May 18, 2006 3:44pm
George

What was the relevance of the scarf to the initial enquiry. How serious is this recruitment officer about recruiting – just days ago we heard about a huge increase in numbers that will be required soon and the expectation that recruits will be hard to find! I think that this recruiter made a remark that went well beyond the call of duty. The lack of professionalism has been acknowledged by the police as I understand it. There is a similarity with the Ryan/Telecom case – individuals not understanding their roles.
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May 18, 2006 4:10pm
llew

So you’re calling gays hysterical now are you??!!!

🙂
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May 18, 2006 4:11pm
Brian

Where has humour gone in the world today
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May 18, 2006 5:10pm
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

yup no gay old time down the old police bar union building tonight!

😉

did you all miss that

1) the sad little loser was wearing an orange scarf – and its not even cold yet – yup definitely a bit gay

2) wanted to borrow the policemans hat to try it on for looks – yup clearly someone for whom he sartorial side of the job matters more than the reality.

3) being called on wearing a gay scarf is probably the least insulting thing most cops would hear on a friday night in any town in the country

we should rejoice that a cop has watched southpark and is able to call a gay scarf a gay scarf

and on the upside, thats one sargeant who will never get forced to man (sic!) the recruiting booth again when he could be out doing something more interesting than having to pretend to be nice to spotty little oiks whose mummies still dress them.
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May 18, 2006 5:41pm
Decentre

Y’all are missing the point. The word “gay” has once more had its meaning transformed. Ask any teenager – the word gay means hopeless, useless… and so on. Does not mean you are cruising for a piece of ass anymore!
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May 18, 2006 5:49pm
Jeremy

Gay is not used in the context of useless. In its modern context it’s a way of expressing disapproval of something; it doesn’t take a genius to work out why it
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May 18, 2006 6:42pm
warren

What a joke. Who cares if he’s offended? Why do we continually worry about why people get offended, just say what you think, especially if that’s your belief.

I know many people who, when criticising something, say “that’s gay”. That doesn’t necessarily mean they dont like gay people, it’s they dont agree with the subject at hand.

And yes the scarf was gay as was the guy’s reaction.
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May 18, 2006 7:22pm
Brian

I agree with warren’s last comment “What a joke”

What ever happened to humour in this country?
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May 18, 2006 7:47pm
Murray

If the high heels fit Llew.
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May 18, 2006 8:05pm
PaulL

My problem isn’t that he told the guy his scarf was a bit gay – from the photos it clearly was.

My problem is that he recommended he took it off – which implied that it would improve his chances of being recruited if he did. That is the real bias here – looking gay meant you couldn’t join the police force.
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May 18, 2006 8:52pm
Nathan B

The cop said the scarf in question was “a bit too gay”.

Now, thats just saying it was a 8-10 on the gay scale. If it was a tasteful number, which didn’t clash with the winter blue hue which the NZ constabulary wear, then he might have said “that scarf is just plain old gay” (being a 4-6 on the gay scale).

Would there have been the same reaction if he had said “that scarfs a bit too straight” though?

We’ll never know…
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May 18, 2006 9:33pm
Lindsay Addie

The guys a bloody wuss who needs to develop a sense of humour.

Jeez………..
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May 18, 2006 9:51pm
burt

Imagine if he had said
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May 18, 2006 10:20pm
Nathan B

Haha! Nice one Burt!

At least this “story” hasn’t ‘come out’ on TV news.
I wonder if he would wear the scarf when he was being interviewed?
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May 18, 2006 11:35pm
warren

PaulL – do you see policemen wearing “gay” scarfs? could you take someone serious wearing a highly ludicrous scarf? I couldn’t and nor could a large number of people in this country who still have a sense of humour.

People are too prissy here, nothing wrong with giving someone a bit of shit about their clothes, hair cut, etc etc. If they’re brave enough to wear they should be brave enough to bear the shit they could get.
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May 19, 2006 6:33am
Murray

Anyone else think this tread is getting a bit too gay?
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May 19, 2006 10:01am
Clint

Ladies please, stop this or I will be forced to scratch your eyes out!
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May 19, 2006 10:49am
llew

Murray, that’s how this started, someone telling someone else that the threads are gay.
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May 19, 2006 10:55am
brian_smaller

“My problem is that he recommended he took it off – which implied that it would improve his chances of being recruited if he did. That is the real bias here – looking gay meant you couldn’t join the police force.”

Perhaps the veteran recruiter knew that a wussy looking sissy like the guy appeared to be (whether he was or not) would not survive the rigours of a police career and was trying to let him down gently. He may have been doing the guy a favour. Also, do you really think that Mr Scarf looked like he was truly going to cut his locks off just to be abused by drunks on a Saturday night?
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May 19, 2006 12:39pm
George

Murray, why do you ask “Anyone else think this tread is getting a bit too gay?”

Policemen don’t tread, they plod.

I always thought regular sworn policemen wore uniforms when on duty! Even a candidate reporting naked to the recruitment office could be attired on duty to look just like any policeman.
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