General Debate 1 September 2017

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***SHOW US THE MONEY COMRADE JACINDA***
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September 1, 2017 8:00am
- krazykiwi
  
  Login into your online banking. See that balance?
  
  That the money. It’s yours right now.
  
  However Taxcinder is about to set up a direct debit.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:50am
  - Nosmo King
    
    Use all your money before it gets taxed.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:15am
- cmm
  
  Credit cards are as good as money!
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:07am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Gold is the money of kings.
    Silver is the money of gentlemen.
    Barter is the money of peasants.
    Debt is the money of slaves.
    
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    September 1, 2017 10:16am
- Surely Knott
  
  I was lucky enough to have dinner at the lovely Federal St Deli in the swankiest part of Auckland last night and sat behind a hipster wearing a Karl Marx shirt with Workers unite quote on the back . And I laughed. It’s an American Style Diner! Those delicious oversized helpings and trendy cocktails is the deli and abundance of American capitalism. And I reflected on my visit to communist Russia in the 80’s comrades, where our hotel served dry cakes and tea with no milk due to milk shortages and multiple colours of cabbage.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:24am
  - starboard
    
    Kelvin Davis is a liability for Liarbor. A confused and inept buffoon.
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96385172/jacinda-ardern-tells-kelvin-davis-off-over-capital-gains-tax-comments
    
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    September 1, 2017 12:31pm
    - RF
      
      Christ… another scalding with finger pointing from the princess coming up.
      
      Poor Kelvin is way out if his depth. He is proving to be a Thicko so is suited for a labour minister.
      
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      September 1, 2017 1:29pm
- Im Right
  
  I don’t think ‘Comrade Jacinda’ will be PM for long. If Labour win the election I think she will last 8-12months and step down due to:
  New Baby
  Ill health
  Some other manufactured pre-ordained ‘excuse’
  This was the plan all along and Little (the union pick) will be reinstated. Jacinda has only been the face of change to get the poll numbers up, this has been the plan for months…watch this space.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:42am
  - Chris R
    
    I agree with the theory but will it happen? What many commentators are missing is that Labour doesn’t have momentum…Jacinda and her hobby-horses of glitz, glibness and stupidity have mesmerised some voters. Jacinda has momentum. It may not effect a change of Government as it relies on youthful voters bothering to vote and oldies moving from Winston and National. Tall orders both!
    
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    September 1, 2017 10:18am
    - cmm
      
      What will happen?
      
      My predictions (for what they are worth):
      
      * New unionista leader will take over within a year.
      * WP will throw toys out of cot within a year causing confidence issues.
      
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      September 1, 2017 11:08am
  - cmm
    
    I certainly can’t see her going full term (except in the maternity ward sense).
    
    She’s said many times she does not want the job, so if we are to believe her then it means she’s just in this for the election and then going to step back so the unions can take over again.
    
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    September 1, 2017 11:01am
    - Paulus
      
      After the election the Unions take charge again in the selections and policy.
      It was only a Robertson’s quirk of fate that allowed the Caucus along with Helen Clark to get rid of Angry for the election, and put Helen’s show pony in charge !
      Angry will soon be back as Deputy with Union responsibilities.
      The new Maori show deputy is a dead duck except to pander in the short term as Maori favourable – he will be gone.
      She seems she could be a nice person but keep me away from nice people, even at a dinner party with her along.
      But after 9 years in opposition she does not have really come forward with any policy. Why not – or have Labour wasted their time sitting on their arses.
      What does being in opposition actually mean – complaining about the Government, with no comparable real answer?
      If she gets in which appears likely she will be bombarded in question Time by the new Opposition ex Ministers, many very capable and experience women who have actually worked in a real job.
      Perhaps Trevor Mallard, as Speaker will intervene, like Margaret Wilson did, to help her.
      She will need help – and not from Robertson.
      
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      September 1, 2017 11:15am
      - GazzaW
        
        The unions will be very quick to get their shoes back under the bed if Labour wins the election. On the other hand now that the Helenista faction has their icon back the unions may well be told to fuck off. The return of Clarke and her obvious influence changes the whole dynamics of the Labour Party. She could well run for President of the party and she would cakewalk it.
        
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        September 1, 2017 2:39pm
  - Fletch
    
    She is only Helen’s avatar anyway.
    
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    September 1, 2017 11:06am
  - Piniwi
    
    She might not make it to the election before flying to bits. Looks gaunt and drooping eyelids are indicating over medicated if you look at the debate.
    Bearing in mind she has already spoken about her doubts in a glossy magazine. Then least we forget one of her earliest utterances. “I’m here for a good time and not a long time”. This flippant remark might come back to haunt her.
    Let her avoid too much embarrassment. Tick Two 4 Blue.
    
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    September 1, 2017 1:31pm
    - RF
      
      It’s on the news today. Herr Flick did not sleep last night after the debate.
      
      Seriously that is not a good indication of stability…..
      
      If she slides through to be PM I give her less than a year.
      
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      September 1, 2017 5:54pm
- oldpark
  
  “Lets do this” Correction “Lets tax this”. Thats were the money will come from. (“Thats your answer Starboard blog at 8.00am today.)
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:55am
Jimmy

So the Iraqi army, supported by coalition forces and partly trained by NZ troops seem to be doing very well and have just cleared Ninevah province of ISIS:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41111521

Will labour rescind their previous policy of taking our troops out of Iraq as soon as possible, or will they see the light and recommit our forces until ISIS are fully defeated?
Should NZ be doing more than just training Iraqis – should we provide combat troops like the Canadians and French have (countries not typically assessed as being America’s stooges)?
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September 1, 2017 8:01am
- Morrissey
  
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  Of course, a hero such as yourself will be volunteering to go to Iraq to help out like our brave boys are doing in Afghanistan….
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/08/kiwi-soldiers-tied-dead-enemies-to-trucks-report.html
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:38am
  - cmm
    
    Why would anyone believe this? Muslims are compelled to lie to non-Muslims to advance their cause. We say exactly the same sort of crap in the Hager hit-piece.
    
    Besides, tying a body to the front of a vehicle is pretty difficult and interferes with the airflow and visibility.
    
    Chucking it in the back of a truck or tied onto the back of a truck makes more sense. Those bodies have to go back for intelligence gathering and nobody really wants a shot up body leaking body fluids all over the cab where you’re sitting.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:16am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Actually, maybe we should be training all the western forces as well.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:43am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Training them to do what? Tie dead bodies to the front of vehicles? To terrorize little children? To put a captive human being in a sack and then punch and kick him?
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2712026/Kiwi-troops-in-war-crimes-row
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/news/4025568/Prisoners-being-delivered-to-brutal-Afghan-secret-police
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:01am
    - Lance
      
      You believe that shit?
      If their was money in it, I am sure there would be ‘testimony’ they bit the heads off kittens as well.
      
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      September 1, 2017 9:03am
      - Morrissey
        
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        I believe the evidence of the disgusted New Zealand soldiers and local villagers who reported it.
        
        You? You go on believing what the “authorities” tell you if you like.
        
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        September 1, 2017 9:09am
    - Longknives
      
      Funny how a couple of those Stuff ‘Reporters’ who are so desperately trying to do a hit on NZDF are closely affiliated with the Green Party…
      
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      September 1, 2017 9:05am
    - GazzaW
      
      Why don’t you piss off back to The Standard instead of trolling here?
      
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      September 1, 2017 10:06am
Don the Kiwi

Port
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September 1, 2017 8:01am
- PhilBest
  
  Yesterday’s Herald headline, “Winston wants Port moved”, brought the first thought to my mind, that he must be complaining about the wine display in his favourite restaurant.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:08am
  - mandk
    
    No, it was because he was at a posh dinner and a man further down the table forgot that port is passed to the left.
    
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    September 1, 2017 8:24am
    - Komata
      
      mandk
      
      Re: ‘… Port is passed to the left’.
      
      Silly Lad; everyone knows that ‘the left’ only drink chardonnay or beer; ‘Port’ is for ‘Gentlemen’ and ‘Ministers of the Cloth’.
      
      (Just saying)
      
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      September 1, 2017 12:25pm
duggledog

It’s one thing to contemplate 3 or more years of Jacindageddon with her raft of taxes, 1970s style unionism, a Constitution written by G Palmer, compulsory Maori in schools, boatloads of fighting age Muslim males etc etc

It’s another thing to consider whether an eventual National administration will undo it all.
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September 1, 2017 8:01am
- CHFR1
  
  That does seem to be the usual form. Labour bring in some crazy law/entitlement programmme and National leave it in place or tweak it a bit.
  As much as people say they hate Roger Douglas or Ruth Richardson at least they made the hard calls and we are better for that. The current crop with few exceptions don’t seem to have the spine required to do that and bend with the wind that is our fickle media.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:41am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  This election is all about style vs. substance, and style looks like winning.
  Time for the Nats to bring back the dancing cossacks I say.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:22am
  - Nosmo King
    
    Says a lot about the a certain party isn’t it? It all about style but no substance, plenty of hot air but little to show.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:32am
  - PJ39
    
    A party with a puppy as leader would have an even chance at 5% it would seem
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:36am
    - waikatosinger
      
      Not so – look at ACT.
      
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      September 1, 2017 11:01am
  - kaykaybee
    
    NAts need 2nd generation advertising and damn quick about it.
    The men should change from steady as she goes to , got the books sorted, nows the time to hand out the goodies and take the rest along with us.
    
    Labour has the whole waterways, housing and homeless to themselves. Never thought I’d say it, but that the Nats never saw and managed this largely bollix meme indicates they’re well out of touch with the simpletons that swing and love one liners! Steady as she goes won’t cut it against me, me, selfie, school visiting Jacinda Kardashian.
    
    They need to grab a new positive current theme and absolutely nail it home. It’s not Jacinda they’ll be getting, it’s Robertson, Davis, Twyford and Hipkins. In the main, white, entitled beige middle class men plus Kelvin the crime hugger.
    
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    September 1, 2017 11:15am
kowtow

Wilkommen, wir schaffen das.

‘The three girls were all aged 17 and in a group when the man carried out the assaults about 4pm on Wednesday.

“The male was described as an Indian or Middle Eastern, mid-20s and five-foot-six,” Snr Sgt Donaldson said.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/police/police-hunt-after-assault-teenagers
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September 1, 2017 8:02am
- starboard
  
  Syrians..didn’t take long for them to have a sexual emergency ..and Liarbor wants to bring in thousands more of these vermin!!!!
  Madness.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:06am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Already? But it can’t be the Syrian refugees none were sent to Dunedin!
  
  Oh snap! There goes that excuse! Red Cross sponsored sexual assault – good charity work there RC.
  
  I bet the rape was in a ‘sexual emergency”. Or maybe it was just a lone wolf sexual assault?
  
  Still, I have to go and take a selfie with my hands in a heart shape for FB, and post on Twitter that I “stand with Dunedin” at the same time as imploring not to blame and to point out that “not all muslims are sexual predators”. #MuslimRapersInDunedin – it’s Trump’s fault.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:14am
  - starboard
    
    ***Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari must go***
    
    Convicted sexual deviant, kiddy fiddler and molester of women Ali Akbari..imported from Afganistan must be deported NOW.
    Michael WOODHOUSE Immigration Minister has sat on his hands on this one. Do whatever it takes WOODHOUSE to deport this mangy piece of excrement from New Zealand.
    
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    September 1, 2017 8:24am
    - calendar girl
      
      As Minister of Immigration, Woodhouse has proved even worse than the same Woodhouse as a previous Minister of Transport (zero tolerance speed limits and all that, regardless of circumstances and practicalities; hasn’t that been quietly ‘buried’ since his departure from the portfolio!).
      
      The presence in this country of recidivist sexual predator Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari is disgraceful. Full responsibility for that situation rests with Woodhouse, and his failure to ensure that his officials made decisions that would “meet (his) expectations”.
      
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      September 1, 2017 9:47am
      - Scorpion
        
        WHAT ELECTORATE
        
        DOES THAT CORRUPT USELESS
        
        SCUM BAG STAND IN
        
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        September 1, 2017 10:45pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Woodhouse is the 10th-ranked National candidate on its List, and he’s based in Dunedin
        
        He’s also National’s candidate in the Dunedin North Electorate which is held by Labour’s David Clark. So we simply need to get used to the fact that Woodhouse has a safe (List) seat, subject only to retaining favour with National’s leadership.
        
        In my eyes – and based solely on his Ministerial failures – it seems incredible that Woodhouse is still a Minister of the Crown, and 10th-ranked candidate on National’s List.
        
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        September 2, 2017 5:55pm
    - Paulus
      
      In three weeks time it will not be Woodhouse’s decision anyway.
      Like the deportation of KDC – up to the new Ministers whoever they may be – what a thought.
      
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      September 1, 2017 11:19am
    - rangitoto
      
      Don’t worry. Taxinda will pat him on the head and say he’s a good boy really. Just downtrodden by oppression.
      
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      September 1, 2017 12:24pm
  - simpleton1
    
    Just a little iddy biddy flash (compared to the Sultan above) and he is up for deportation.
    
    31 August 2017
    immigration officer arrived at the court and served him with notice of liability for deportation – meaning he will be deported once he serves his jail sentence.
    Judge Garry Collin imposed a 14-day jail term
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/national/crime/96373543/Man-who-flashes-two-schoolgirls-in-Hamilton-gets-jail-deportation
    
    Seems really good work, but then the guy was on a student visa.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:01am
    - 4077th
      
      This guy should think himself lucky. If he had tried this in Japan (his homeland), he could be facing jail time with work and a very large fine for a morality crime. Jail time in Japan is not the holiday homes like the one’s we have here in NZ. It’s very unusual for a Japanese national to be involved in this sort of thing. This, in contrast to the likes of Akbari whom it seems has been allowed to continue with impunity.
      
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      September 1, 2017 10:01am
    - cmm
      
      No doubt he will get some taxpayer funded milk-sop lawyer who will appeal and he’ll be around as long as Kim dotcom.
      
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      September 1, 2017 11:12am
    - Morrissey
      
      ACT should sign him up as a candidate, pronto, to give some moral uplift to its list.
      
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      September 1, 2017 2:51pm
- Gabby
  
  I’m sure he just thought they were shoplifters.
  
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  September 1, 2017 11:49am
fluffykiwi

If, as is strongly suggested after last night’s poll that Jacinda is going to be our new Prime Minister, I believe an indepth look at her partner is warranted, he will after all be our first husband/partner.
we need to know everything we are getting. Google, facebook, historical behaviour portends the future behaviour.
Should be lots of information from “Gizzy” etc.,
No problem with a person’s behaviour unless they are supposedly representing my country as part of a government. Whether we like it or not the partner of the Prime Minister is definitely in the spotlight and involved in meeting the rest of the world and is seen as representing NZ etc.,
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September 1, 2017 8:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I know nuffin’
  
  – Yr Gizzy Correspondent
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:14am
- Happychappy
  
  Do you really want to be like the left leave family and partners out of the debate have some decorum.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:52am
  - Longknives
    
    “Leave family and partners out of the debate have some decorum.”
    
    Hang on- Adern splashes herself and Clark Whatshisface all over the Women’s mags on a freaking weekly basis!
    So we are supposed to now ignore his previous History? (also splashed through Women’s Mags) and pretend like it didn’t happen?
    They chose to play that game sorry.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:09am
    - Happychappy
      
      Longknives : I was one that was so pissed off about the Left using John Key son and daughter in most columns at the last Election and I just think as people we are better than that and really shouldn’t lower ourselves to that sort of behaviour.
      
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      September 1, 2017 9:42am
      - Gabby
        
        Oddly chappy maxi seemed priddirilacks about it.
        
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        September 1, 2017 11:46am
      - Morrissey
        
        John Key’s idiot son asked for everything he got.
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/85816838/pm-key-ticks-off-son-max-over-real-men-ride-women-blurt
        
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        September 1, 2017 2:52pm
    - RF
      
      Those that rise to the media’s attention and bask in the public glory also have to take the hits when it goes sour.
      
      Is Ménage a trois an approved Gisborne activity….
      
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      September 1, 2017 9:52am
  - Gabby
    
    The way the dirty media hounded that nice Mrs Sir John Keys was crappy wasn’t it chappy.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:25am
- Gabby
  
  Well Bingles is the pm and we don’t know a whole lot about her indoors and her government funding.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:24am
  - waikatogirl
    
    There is nothing to ‘know’ about Mary English.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:43am
    - GazzaW
      
      …….and you can bet your life that the Fraser House Dirty Politics Dept has dug deep.
      
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      September 1, 2017 10:15am
    - Gabby
      
      We don’t ‘know’ that.
      
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      September 1, 2017 11:44am
    - lifesgood
      
      She’s beautiful inside and out. The left hate that, they have no one to compare.
      
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      September 1, 2017 6:27pm
- RF
  
  fluffy Kiwi.
  
  The dice will fall and we could have a new PM who will be representing NZ in overseas forums.
  
  Some functions will demand the attendance of a partner and it would be in our interest to show some class rather than a jake the rake.
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:07am
kowtow

Is the diversity “dividend” worth it?

‘Britain is home to 35,000 Islamist fanatics, more than any other country in Europe, the EU anti-terror chief has said.’

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/31/britain-home-35000-islamist-fanatics-country-europe-top-official/
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September 1, 2017 8:04am
- fluffykiwi
  
  We probably have enough donar kebab shops. Everyone cried wolf over Chinese takeaways. So let us consider how many dodgy half cooked meat hanging on a hook shops we want.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:05am
  - PhilBest
    
    It’s nice to get the exotic restaurants without terrorism, which seems to be the case with all the cultures we have permitted immigration from in the past, there is but one exception….
    
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    September 1, 2017 8:12am
  - cmm
    
    No need to import Muslims just for a kebab or a falafel.
    
    The Coptics can make all the middle eastern food you want.
    
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    September 1, 2017 11:16am
Maggy Wassilieff

A couple of KB commenters have noted that Jacinda Ardern pronounces some words with t as a d.
(e.g. bedder instead of better).

This seems to be standard American English pronunciation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nAnT3PASak&t=261s
(once you notice it… you can’t stop nodicing id)
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September 1, 2017 8:05am
- pdm
  
  MW – that is the way her mentor and idol Helen Clark speaks.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:44am
  - Gabby
    
    It’s her cute attempt to sound workery. Bingles’ tooright bycrikey farmer bill act is just as adorable.
    
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    September 1, 2017 11:43am
- redqueen
  
  We bedder get used to id.
  
  But, then, New Zealand English has been heavily Americanised already. I am constantly correcting my daughter, who goes to school and hears this nonsense spoken by other children (the teachers don’t sound like it).
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:36am
  - Chris R
    
    I don’t accept that this is an Americanisation, it is just sloppiness. I once had a secretary who came from Taranaki and pronounced all “Ks” as “Gs.” It was just as irritating as the Clark/Adern habit.
    
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    September 1, 2017 11:47am
  - Paulus
    
    Like these children are going to learn a second non Maori language and they cannot speak one correctly first.
    Not a chance.
    Like Wanganui pronounced Wanganui but spelt Whanganui pronounced Fonganui ?
    
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    September 1, 2017 2:40pm
cubit

Labour may have a new bright young thing but the the rest of the team are still the same old negative drones.

Hope she has someone strong protecting her back.
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September 1, 2017 8:06am
- Tarquin North
  
  Nobody ever called Helen weak.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:22am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    There is hope for interns then
    
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    September 2, 2017 5:16am
- G152
  
  Well, the ‘face’ of liebor is neither fresh nor young
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:30am
oldpark

Was wondering who or what drew up the patsy questions on the TVNZ debate last night.
Would have liked Mike Hosking to ask just how many Syrian Refugees Labour/Green Party
will flood NZ with,should last nights Colmar Brunton Rogue Poll become a reality for the socialist Lie-bour/Green Parties.
Last figures put out by Green party was circa 5,000,to start with.
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September 1, 2017 8:06am
- 4077th
  
  Not to mention the 3 questions asked by “everyday kiwi’s”. It was very obvious all 3 were Labour supporters. Bill did his best to answer the questions, Taxinda just sympathised with all of them and offered nothing because she already knew they were in her camp.
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:10am
fluffykiwi

Hopefully Bill will ask at the next debate “Well you have now been in the job longer than 4 weeks, are you any better informed than you were a week ago.” What a cry baby comment “I have only been in the job 4 weeks” she was Deputy Prime Minister and in labour opposition for some considerable time before that, with her personal hope (not expressed) that she would be PM given all the “Make Jacinda Leader” cries going on. So only 4 weeks in the job – give me a break.
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September 1, 2017 8:08am
- oldpark
  
  Yes but has been drawing a huge wage ,sitting in Parliament for nine years,wonder how she put her time in doing nothing.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:24am
  - srylands
    
    Capable opposition MPs should use their time in opposition to become experts in their shadow portfolio. If they don’t have a portfolio, participate in select committees.
    
    It is simply astonishing that the Labour Party does not have a highly developed taxation policy after nine years. Or a trade policy. I am not talking about slogans and values.
    
    I recall reading the biography of former Australian PM Paul Keating. In the period 1980 to 1982 he was shadow energy Minister. He used that time to travel the country visiting the Boards of every major resource company. By the time Labor took office in 1983, they had well developed policies on resource rents tax, a royalty regime, tax depreciation rules, and resource related trade priorities. All this detail had been tested with the resource sector. Other Opposition shadow Ministers were doing similar things.
    
    In his travels, Keating began to develop his strategy of engaging with Asia and the need to open up the Australian economy.
    
    The thing is that Keating and his colleagues did not sit around for 7 years waiting for their “turn”. The did a lot of work, and the rest is history.
    
    Now come back to today, and weep.
    
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    September 1, 2017 8:46am
    - cmm
      
      That’s what ALL shadow cabinets would do. They’d develop comprenhensive policies and budgets that actually added up and put those to the people as a viable option to vote for.
      
      The last 9 years of Labour have just been Andy saying “not good enough, Kiwis deserve better.” without offering a real alternative.
      
      No wonder they made the election about selfies and not policies.
      
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      September 1, 2017 11:20am
    - VicParking
      
      If you are in a shadow cabinet you need to spend time thinking up hard hitting questions like “Do you stand by all your statements” or “Do you have confidence in all your ministers”
      It takes months of traveling the country to think these up.
      
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      September 1, 2017 1:34pm
- Swifty
  
  DLLP, or DLoO.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:28am
- Keeping Stock
  
  She’s never actually been Deputy Prime Minister yet fluffy, which most of us would regard as a positive.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:40am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Yes, you are correct, but Shadow Deputy.
    I am getting all carried away with the Jacinderella movement. Note to self get back to earth.
    This is not the Kardashians reality TV albeit reality TV is better paid than being in government.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:51am
Odakyu-sen

If one wants fiscal responsibility, personal responsibility, greater personal freedom, a smaller bureaucracy, and a dash of civic nationalism, who can one vote for?

NZ First? (the Gang of One)
Act? (not so big on civic nationalism)
The Conservatives? (Craig ruined the franchise)
TOP? (more support than you might think)
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September 1, 2017 8:18am
- PhilBest
  
  One needs to leave the country, go to the USA, and join the Tea Party.
  
  Western Civ is finished, the USA is where its last stand will be, and in the Southern states.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:01am
  - Gabby
    
    The sodden states will get the smaller gumming they want and go to the wall without the federal funding they subsist on philly.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:30am
  - SGA
    
    Western Civ is finished, the USA is where its last stand will be, and in the Southern states.
    
    in the Southern states? Oh dear, it sounds like it’s already finished then //tongue in cheek.
    
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    September 1, 2017 10:01am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    There is always Japan to return to, as a last resort. (I shudder to think how the Japanese social services will cope with the tsunami of silver citizens that is crashing down upon it as I write this).
    
    Shudder! (Or as we say in Japan: “buru buru buru…!”)
    
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    September 1, 2017 10:20am
    - 4077th
      
      I could think of far worse places. I love Japan and look forward to every opportunity I have to go each year. I have never felt safer in any other place on the globe.
      
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      September 1, 2017 10:36am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        With Japan hosting the summer Olympics in Tokyo in 2020, people in NZ are going to see a lot of “let’s tour Japan” promotions in the media over the next couple of years.
        
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        September 1, 2017 11:41am
      - 4077th
        
        I’ll definitely be going and I highly recommend others take the opportunity. Japan is a fabulous place.
        
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        September 1, 2017 12:34pm
- jcuk
  
  YES …. TOP looks good except for the 50% Maori Upper House and taxing the family home on top of rates.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:56am
Happychappy

Ha ha all those that thought NZ First was the way to go to teach Natioal a lesson are now in shit street without a paddle. Labour has grabbed 10% of the Green vote enticed their old voters back from NZ First and are now 6% away from being the Government without needing support. Everyone should be able to look foward to the return of the unions with greater powers and different taxes so the poor can live in better housing with more money to give their children for better play stations, computers and phones. All those Treaty negotiations will start again as Maori will say they did not get a fair deal under National so interesting times ahead and give it time the whinge will be back and moaning about the same thing just a different Government.
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September 1, 2017 8:24am
- oldpark
  
  Think the WO blog site,got it wrong ,as they supported Winston ,and put the boot into National, accusing them of all sorts of anti Winston dirty politics.Should be mea culpa all round to Winston ,as WO dirty politics claim against Nats,in fact helped Lie-bour/Green Cabal.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:03am
  - Piniwi
    
    Then today the old geezer dropped himself deeper into his own hit job. He confirmed he did not bother to read the annual letters sent by WINZ? The OAP champion has no idea about the system at all and what pensioners are confronted with.
    This year was the first time WINZ used their MY MSD system to send out the letter which thankfully they posted out all be it later than usual.
    Thus we can deduce it was his error on the original form also confirmed by interest and penalties. Plus arrogance in not opening letters from WINZ that saw it go for so long. On top of that he has again started to slide in the poles as too many see through his bullshit on this issue. Even after WO desperately still trying to put lipstick on him. They are dreaming.
    
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    September 1, 2017 2:06pm
- Gabby
  
  Are you one of those fullas only speaking te reo for the month chappy bro?
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:31am
Manolo

A dangerous fool:
https://www.ecowatch.com/pope-francis-climate-change-2479496671.html

Pope Francis, who has a strong belief in the science of climate change, called upon world leaders on Wednesday to “listen to the cry of the Earth and the cry of the poor, who suffer most because of the unbalanced ecology.”
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September 1, 2017 8:26am
- Peter
  
  The earth is probably saying “I wish all you parasites would just f**k off. Perhaps its time for another flood”
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:32am
  - jcuk
    
    Dress rehearsal in Bangladesh and Texas?
    
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    September 1, 2017 10:00am
- VicParking
  
  As he sits in his walled palace were the only poor and crying are the childern that are there for the pleasure of his Monsignor’s.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:52am
- PhilBest
  
  Bring back Benedict! There was always something fishy about replacing him while he was still alive, and he wasn’t a sucker for the secular SJW stuff.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:03am
- Nukuleka
  
  At times I am embarrassed to be a Catholic. Fortunately the church is greater than the Pope as hostory has so frequently taught us.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:32am
- krazykiwi
  
  …strong belief in the science …
  
  As a Christian I can say I know a little about belief.
  
  However science isn’t to be believed.
  
  It is evidential, based on a clear, transparent and agreed process. Science is to be tested, and in this case the science in support of Climate Change™ is found to be lacking evidence.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:46am
- realityczech
  
  Appalling that he would compare the real suffering of the poor to the imaginary problem of climate change.
  
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  September 1, 2017 5:23pm
krazykiwi

Take a look at the blue line, NZ’s GDP growth.

5.5% When Labour took office in 1999
-1.1% When National took office in 2008
3.9% Last year

See the pattern? National builds. Labour squanders
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September 1, 2017 8:27am
- krazykiwi
  
  OCR. This was introduced in March 1999, and it remained stable at 4.5% until Labour was elected in November and it rose steadily to 8.25% over their three terms.
  
  Over National’s three terms the OCR has dropped steadily to where to it today, 1.75%
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:42am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Thanks KK!
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:23am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And who’s been watching the NZ dollar? It’s been on the slide for a couple of weeks, and the slide is accelerating as the chances of the Jacinda party getting over the line increase.
    This is what the international money markets think of what Labour will do to the economy.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:46am
    - Piniwi
      
      Not quite so but it has taken a dive after the latest poll. Even the prospect of a Labour Government is causing downward pressure as the money traders look on nervously.
      
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      September 1, 2017 4:18pm
- Flash
  
  It has ever been so.
  
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  September 1, 2017 12:43pm
tom hunter

It’s another thing to consider whether an eventual National administration will undo it all.

For me that’s now the main point. I never expected – or wanted – some sort of Rogernomics II from John Key in 2008.

But I did expect the unwinding and replacement of crap like Welfare For Families and the like, with some thoughtful tax system changes. Similarly on a host of other issues.

But it didn’t happen and the odds are now that it will never happen. New Zealand is locked into a permanent cycle where Labour will massively increase spending on health, education and welfare, followed by National, who will merely slow the increases down for a few years, possibly shave income tax a little (while introducing new taxes or increasing old ones like GST and CGT to maintain that precious “fiscal neutrality”), and cross their fingers that the economy will outgrow the insanity.

The Key/English approach in other words. Reliant on National remaining in power for more than two or three terms. Ha!

The thing is that I can’t see this cycle being broken, as it was in 1984.

Time to plan accordingly.
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September 1, 2017 8:37am
- Gruffydd
  
  You want ACT yet vote national.
  Unsurprisingly you get from national exactly what you voted for .
  Center Right for NZ.
  We have a number of wonks who think NZF is more right than national.
  They are telling national to go more left with a vote for a left wing populist who wants to interfere in the markets.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:44am
- cmm
  
  If it continues it must inevitably be broken again… like it was in 1984. The difference is that in 1984 the people were more resilient than they are now.
  
  The real problem we have here is that people will use other countries which are much deeper in the shit as benchmarks.
  
  At USD20trillion of national debt, USA is in the hole for about NDD77k per person.
  
  UK is in the hole for about 2 trillion quid or about NZD56k per person.
  
  Australia is at NZD24k per person.
  
  We’re “only” at NZD19k per person…
  
  So why hold ourselves back? Spend, baby, spend!!!
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:54am
  - tf78
    
    Also in 1984 people had a work ethic which is sorely missing nowadays.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:28am
    - SGA
      
      I suspect that in 1984, people talked about the work ethic in 1954, and in 1954 … 🙂
      
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      September 1, 2017 10:04am
      - redqueen
        
        Everything is better in the minds eye 🙂
        
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        September 1, 2017 10:11am
  - redqueen
    
    Because we can’t just print money. It’s not surprising that countries which have ‘reserve currency’ status can borrow and print their way out of trouble (in the minds of politicians, at least). NZ maintains positive interest rates (even now) for the very reason that foreigners expect a return on any loans to us. The Americans can get away without that, as so much is in USD.
    
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    September 1, 2017 10:07am
- KevOB
  
  Expect more of the same mild socialist state. We now have a negative income tax and the tax system has evolved over 6o years. It cannot change with each Parliament.
  
  The replacement of labour with automation is going to keep pressure on for further welfare. If a robot is to take 30 jobs who is going to feed the displaced? How too can they purchase the goods made by robots? Without our former villages care is now dispersed and tax has replaced it as the most economical social insurance.
  
  1984 was a watershed because Lange/Douglas floated our dollar. That stopped the Soros’s of this world betting against our currency when our export/import balances were unfavorable or when oil rich Arabs wanted more.
  
  What we must expect is a government with a mandate. One whose policies have been affirmed by electors. That cannot happen afterwards.
  
  No taxation without the consent of the governed.
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:07am
oldpark

To the old age pensioners and superannuates,the tax cuts you were counting on, as promised by Bill English’s National Government,will be cancelled if the socialist Lie-bour/Green parties become the Goverment. Of course one bright note,your promised tax cuts,will be helping many well of students,who Lie-bour/Green Party’s,says their need is greater,than your usurious fixed incomes.
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September 1, 2017 8:38am
- Gabby
  
  On the bright side oldfart those younguns’ taxes will cover your super.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:42am
  - Flash
    
    Not until they get jobs after their 3 years of free university education, though.
    
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    September 1, 2017 12:45pm
    - Gabby
      
      They’ll get better paying jobs though. More super for oldfart.
      
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      September 1, 2017 6:24pm
gorse

I am picking a huge US stockmarket crash that will take us all down with it is going to happen sooner rather than later. National, if it is in opposition, will be sitting pretty in three years time as a Labour lead government run by the lightweights they have at the moment won’t be able to cope with it.
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September 1, 2017 8:41am
- tf78
  
  My only consolation is that question time will be great viewing.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:29am
- KevOB
  
  That is a big reason why we need National to continue.
  A GFC will be beyond Labour’s ability to manage.
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:11am
Manolo

Scum:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4841464/People-smuggler-jailed-hiding-five-migrants-van.html

A 22-year-old man has been jailed for three-and-a-half years after trying to smuggle five Iraqi nationals into the UK hidden in a van crammed with furniture.

The Home Office said Huzaifa Hasan Musa, from Scunthorpe, North Lincolnshire, was driving the vehicle when it was stopped by Border Force officers at the UK Control Zone in Coquelles, France, in February 2016.
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September 1, 2017 8:43am
- Gabby
  
  One of the Lincolnshire Musas? His family will be mortified.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:45am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    They should be mummified.
    
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    September 1, 2017 11:21am
Stars And Stripes

It really does not matter for my demographic(upper income, no government payments or subsidies of any sort, no paid parental leave) whether Labour or National wins this election now as we were never in line for any of the goodies anyway.
We have always been the bill payers and always will be and the one single carrot of a $20 tax cut from National was here nor there.
So for me now the big hope is the Greens vote will be low enough to keep them on the side benches where they belong as they are the biggest threat to this country by a mile, not Labour.
If this is achieved I will be satisfied with the election outcome regardless of which way it goes.
In fact National have taken their core voters like me for granted for way too long with one slap in the face after another but with that laughable U turn on paid parental leave the other day you broke my will to vote for you anymore as really are just not worth it.
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September 1, 2017 8:44am
- Gabby
  
  But those extra police will protect your pelf old hoary. Labour are thinking of you.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:47am
- KevOB
  
  Who is going to replace the population if is not encouraged?
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:13am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Yes it is important to encourage those that would otherwise not breed. Many of our best and brightest are delaying having children or stopping at just one because they actually believe in being in a stable financial position before breeding.
    Labour on the other hand are happy to encourage those that are simply a drain on the economy and a drain on society and providing a significant negative benefit to the economy to breed.
    
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    September 1, 2017 10:25am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Agree in part about who is breeding but it is very disruptive to employers and will mean that fewer breeding age women will be employed in the first instance.
      Arguably a temp is used in the meantime but most companies would just operate a ‘man’ down until the return I imagine.
      
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      September 2, 2017 5:36am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Well it’s funny you say that because before paid parental leave appeared in the 90’s people seemed to survive okay and the population in NZ was not falling but now suddenly the country cannot survive without it.
    It is only this way because people have got used to the $$$$$$$$$$ and now cannot imagine ever being able to cope without it.
    As an aside Labour had the numbers to increase paid parental leave and National stood it’s ground and vetoed it and said it’s unaffordable.
    Now come election time they cave in like a sand castle and offer the same thing.
    What a bunch of gutless hypocrites.
    Two ticks blue????????
    Sorry I’m over this shit.
    P.S Even we breed like rabbits the gov’t seems intent on flooding the country with wogs regardless so there is our fate sealed and delivered.
    
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    September 1, 2017 10:28am
KevOB

What are Jacinda’s values?

She is ultra socialist. Quintessential might is right: my way or no way. Reason is hers and hers alone predicated on self elevated superiority backed up by the international communist movement to which she belongs.

NZ rooted these people out in the 60’s as they subverted our union movement. Now they would take over our Parliament. MMP has done a disservice by allowing diverse irrational voices without substance a platform.

A country cannot be governed by ideology. Refer Venezuela.

How can there be any mandate for values over facts?
Taxes, spending.

Is a 1800’s warrior tribal pa language to be recklessly promoted as a vote bribe? It is also socially very divisive.

Jacinda’s dreams surpass reality into social war.

☑️☑️
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September 1, 2017 8:47am
- Gabby
  
  Tulixpu
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:48am
  - KevOB
    
    So nice to hear from you again.
    
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    September 1, 2017 10:14am
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    ShetaxU
    
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    September 1, 2017 12:40pm
- cha
  
  Hysteria much, you ridiculous old goat.
  
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  September 1, 2017 1:02pm
ztev

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The so called 7 annual letters that Winston was supposed to received ?
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/the_letter_winston_would_have_received_seven_times.html

never happened , a fake story . So many people on KB said they never got annual letters yet the false claim was pushed.

MSD have provided details
“. The Ministry of Social development says that “annual circumstances letters” were sent to NZ superannuation clients:
a)who do not have personal earnings and who receive the accommodation supplement,
b)or the single living alone rate of NZ Super,
c)or a disability allowance with a permanent medical condition.

“Any other NZ superannuitant is not routinely contacted to reconfirm their circumstances”.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11914930

The defamation lawyers could be busy after the election. Is there panic at the Taxpayers Union ?
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September 1, 2017 8:49am
- VicParking
  
  For what z?. Winston has forgotten what he had for breakfast.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:55am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Same as yesterday – single malt.
    
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    September 1, 2017 12:45pm
- cmm
  
  Isn’t all the kerfuffel because Winnie was claiming the single living alone rate?
  
  That is (b) above, and he would thus have been getting the letters.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:58am
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    he had claimed the pension when he was living with his partner- she attended the meeting with him!
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:50am
    - cmm
      
      you were there?
      
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      September 1, 2017 9:59am
    - BassilFawlty
      
      We only have his word for that, I guess that’s good enough for you and all of his labour apologists.
      
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      September 1, 2017 11:54am
- All_on_Red
  
  b)…
  
  cmm, snap
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:00am
  - cmm
    
    Sometimes you have to tell ztev twice, or in this case a hundred times.
    
    The whole thread was about this issue and (s)he/it was completely blinded by rabid ideology.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:04am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    ztev shoots; ztev scores!
    
    It’s another own goal from the resident Labour troll.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:42am
    - ztev
      
      The whole ‘annual letters’ issue was a story ‘too good to be checked’
      
      But as Peters said about that twit on TV who defamed him. $60k of lawyers expenses will bring them to their senses.
      DPF and Tim Murphy might be in legal peril. There were lots of people saying on KB ‘ I dont get any annual letters’
      
      Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
      
      btw KS, got your facts right yet about Winstons ‘standing down’ You were all over the place yesterday
      
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      September 1, 2017 9:55am
      - cmm
        
        Where’s the evidence that anyone defamed him? Now you’re just making unfounded allegations!
        
        “There were lots of people saying on KB ‘ I don’t get any annual letters’ ”
        
        Refer section (b) of what was quoted above by ztev: letters only go to some people including those who claim the single person’s supplement.
        
        Are you perhaps schizophrenic that you forgot what you said at 8:49? If so, I’ll cut you some slack and hope you get well.
        
        The people who said they don’t get the letter are those not claiming the single person’s supplement.
        
        Winson claimed the single persons’ supplement, therefore (b) applies, therefore he was getting the letters.
        
        Why the fuck would he claim the single person’s benefit when accompanied by his partner? WP is brighter than that.
        
        I doubt he went into WINZ ofices to do this when it is much easier to post it in and not have deal with the whole embarrassment of: “Oh look Winnies standing in the dole queue”.
        
        WP is full of shit. He often threatens with bluster. Anyone who believes him is foolish.
        
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        September 1, 2017 1:14pm
      - Piniwi
        
        We appreciate you may be intellectually challenged but he admitted on TV this morning he did not open the ‘letters” from WINZ. Only time Jack Tame showed he might finally have some pubic hair by pressing the old codger. There is no doubt at all he got the letters. That and the fact we were both born the same year are all that we have in common. His core voter base will know first hand he is bluffing about with his threats of legal action. They have mostly been around as long as or longer than he has and will be gobsmacked by his arrogance.
        
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        September 1, 2017 4:40pm
- srylands
  
  FFS – Yes that is correct – Winston is reportedly (b) (was).
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:21am
- ex-golfer
  
  Idiot – do you bother reading before typing?
  
  b)or the single living alone rate of NZ Super,
  
  Which is the rate Winston was on – therefore he would have got the letter – 7 times.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:51am
- fluffykiwi
  
  So which is Winnie “C” would come to mind a disability allowance with a permanent medical condition. LOL
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:54am
Awww C-mon

Do any of the clever people here have idea’s on the rate of inflation we can expect with labour?

Will all the promises of tax and spend mean that those who they give all the cash too actually end up in the same position or worse?

If we increase their income by 10% but the cost of living jumps by 15%…

Is my theory correct? How can I prove it to the fucking imbeciles voting left?
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September 1, 2017 8:50am
- krazykiwi
  
  Inflation will climb under Labour. It’s a clear pattern.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:55am
  - Gabby
    
    So you’re predicting real growth? That’ll be nice for a change.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:52am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Yes!
      
      Real growth in economic uncertainty
      Real growth in mortgage rates
      Real growth in public debt
      Real growth in private debt
      Real growth in CPI
      Real growth in our similarity with Greece
      
      So yes, all the growth we’ve seen evidenced when socialist ideology blindly followed.
      
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      September 1, 2017 11:16am
    - rangitoto
      
      Inflation isn’t growth. Try Zimbabwe or Venezuela they have superlative inflation.
      
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      September 1, 2017 12:42pm
  - pdm
    
    And increased interest rates.
    
    Oops I see you added it later KK – still no harm in reinforcing it.
    
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    September 1, 2017 1:06pm
- VicParking
  
  Wait for the $NZ/$AUS cross rate to drop and we will see the mortgage rates start to climb. The AUS banks masters wont want the NZ cash cow to reduce because the AUSy market is crap at the moment.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:59am
  - cmm
    
    WP will force everyone to switch their mortgages to Kiwbank.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:00am
- cmm
  
  Don’t bore me with that crap about interest rates.
  
  The credit card isn’t maxxed out yet. That’s all that matters.
  
  Now anyone want a selfie?
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:00am
- krazykiwi
  
  Look at GDP growth too. Our productivity and international competitiveness underpin a healthy economy. Labour squanders. National builds.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:02am
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    Labour squanders. National builds.
    
    That statement is the exact opposite of reality. Are you Steven Joyce?
    
    https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/9/m/j/2/j/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620×349.19nlh6.png/1454921103846.jpg
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:11am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Under Labour inflation climbs, and GDP drops
      
      Under National inflation drops and GDP climbs
      
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      September 1, 2017 9:17am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Welcome back Mossey, thanks for once again proving the intellect of the left.
      You showed a pretty good flight pattern there, one of your better moments.
      
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      September 1, 2017 9:24am
      - ztev
        
        The waterview motorway tunnels were approved under labour, yet the project was cancelled by Joyce
        
        Eventually he saw sense and the tunnels were built, 9 years later. They should have opened in 2012 during a recession but no they were built during a boom
        
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        September 1, 2017 9:48am
      - All_on_Red
        
        NZ wasn’t in a recession in 2012
        ‘In total, New Zealand experienced five quarters of negative economic growth between the March quarter 2008 and the March quarter 2009, totalling 3.7% of real GDP. The relative shallowness of the recession compared favourably with other nations in the OECD, with New Zealand seventh least affected out of the 33 member nations.
        The economy then grew for five consecutive quarters up to mid-2010, totalling 1.6% of real GDP. The recovery was led by exports, with strong demand from major trading partners, Australia and China. This was helped by historically-high prices for New Zealand’s commodity exports, which flowed through to a high terms of trade. The strength in the external sector was led by a boom in demand from China, which boosted dairy and log exports.
        The economy grew 1.4% in the year ending December 2011, the fastest pace in over three years.’
        Source NZ Treasury.
        Typical Labour supporter eh ztev. Knows nothing about economics.
        
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        September 1, 2017 12:18pm
    - Lance
      
      The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one
      
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      September 1, 2017 9:35am
- tf78
  
  The dollar will drop which will be good for exporters. But the cost of imported goods will increase because of the lower dollar, consider all the fruit, vege and food in general, not to mention car’s, electrical goods and all of life’s other luxuries that are affordable now.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:39am
  - Jack5
    
    Fuck, there will be a nuclear winter if Ardern wins.
    
    C’mon, tf78, National and Labour are close enough to form a coalition, or even merge.
    
    They are closer to each other than each is to the Greens or to NZ First.
    
    That’s why the TV debate was mild, civil, almost warm.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:51am
    - tf78
      
      Agree begrudgingly.
      
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      September 1, 2017 11:55am
    - rangitoto
      
      Taxinda is a hard left Marxist.
      
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      September 1, 2017 12:54pm
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Think the basics the petrol tax, all those little Trademe purchases, internet purchases. what price the courier charge on those.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:56am
  - Peter
    
    The faces of the clueless as they vote for more stuff, only to waddle into the Big Red and find their trolley full of imported pointless junk costs them $60 more than usual.
    
    Chur bro. Bloddy gummit. Fags are up, too, man!
    
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    September 1, 2017 11:28am
  - rangitoto
    
    Don’t forget fuel. Also the RB will be forced to crank up interest rates.
    
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    September 1, 2017 12:53pm
  - Paulus
    
    And Fuel will cost more due to the reduction of the NZ Dolllar.
    And your Mercedes for the Maori Elite will cost more too.
    
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    September 1, 2017 2:59pm
- Paulus
  
  Labour will help put up Term Deposits which the Reserve Bank determined a while ago at $14 billion.
  Whilst Superannuants, prudent ones, who have most of the deposits, will see an increase on their deposits.
  KiwiSaver will get stuffed again as the Sharemarket’s decline.
  But of course the tax changes for April are to be cancelled so Super increases accordingly will be cancelled as per Taxinda’s comments.
  So Superannuants will vote Labour/Greens and stuff themselves.
  
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  September 1, 2017 2:56pm
- Piniwi
  
  It will be substantial as history records but in the current financial climate much more so. Firstly there will a new governor of the RBNZ who will doubtless be a Red appointment if they are elected. Then there will be a tragic turnaround in the NZ economy.
  The impact of no tax cuts as well as the introduction of so many new taxes will drive inflation way above the 1-2% band. This will force the OCR to be lifted thus pushing interest rates up rapidly. The reduced disposable income will be be seen as retail spending slows down. Wage demands will be out of hand while being dictated by a new brand of socialist negotiations kick in. GDP will shrink like a scrotum in the snow putting pressure on balance of payments. Made a double whammy as the NZ$ loses value and further worsened by substantial borrowing needed to fund Labour promises.
  Then the biggest shock for them will be a severe downgrading of NZ credit rating.
  Perhaps DPF could crunch some numbers for us which he is so good at and has the resources for. Us oldies have our own memories of how tough it can be to service a double digit mortgage.
  While Taxinda might have made it through the first debate we are no more informed on any of the new taxes that will be introduced and without the detail THERE CAN BE NO MANDATE from the voters. Without any check or balance these morons could again see NZ on the front page of the remaining world newspapers as it creates its own domestic facial disaster. IMO she is a gaunt looking, underfed individual and only has a face to keep her ears apart. No substance, intellect or ability to do what it takes to do anything but a whole lot of damage. Is this a person you would let run your business?
  Finally consider how many countries have reverted socialism in the last 20 years and survived?
  
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  September 1, 2017 5:19pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Great post piniwi!
    
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    September 1, 2017 8:01pm
Monique Watson

I always want a selfie. And some Coke out back

Coke prank on cops:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLeHQFBMtmk
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September 1, 2017 9:06am
fisho

I blame the Hipsters. They love to believe the 70’s were great, maybe if you were a kid, but if you were an adult they were shit.
People dressed like they were poor in the 70’s because they were poor you numpties. They wore brushed cotton because it was cheap, beanies because they didn’t have heat pumps (the smart ones burned coal) and grew beards because they couldn’t afford razors.
You’re going to crap yourselves in a year or two when the cost of kale goes through the roof due to water taxes and the hops for your favourite triple APA are rotting in the hold of a ship due to striking wharfies. Pulled pork will also be banned for cultural reasons and the robotic barista, introduced due to the increased minimum wage, ain’t interested in hearing about the great weekend you had with your buddies visiting a quaint, but dying, regional town.
Back to the future my friends, you’ll love it I’m sure 😉
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September 1, 2017 9:08am
Manolo

mikenmild must be celebrating Taxcinda’s poll results. What a comeback for the Labourites.
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September 1, 2017 9:13am
lastmanstanding

The take out I got lat night from Jacinda is that she is completely transparent.

Shes going to roger me but Im going to have to vote for her to find out exactly how deep she is going to roger me.
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September 1, 2017 9:19am
- Lance
  
  Beware the big red strap-on
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:31am
- krazykiwi
  
  No no no, you have that wrong.
  
  You’ll be rogered whether you vote for her, or not.
  
  And you will be grateful .
  
  (waves finger in admonishment)
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:55am
dime

love the jacinda/ rachel smiley set up.

a day or so ago we get smiley slightly criticising jacinda…

so we can get to the heralds current major headline:

Jacinda has proven me wrong!

Fuck the herald makes me sick to my stomach. im now down to checking headlines and clicking one all blacks story a day.

they deserve to be broke.
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September 1, 2017 9:22am
- Longknives
  
  To borrow terminology from Pro Wrestling- Smalley v Adern was the biggest ‘work’ since her close friend Jesse Mulligan played bad guy to spark all the faux ‘will she have babies?’ controversy..
  
  “Glossary of Professional Wrestling Terms-
  Work (noun)
  Anything planned to happen,[2] or a “rationalized lie”..”
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:33am
- Gabby
  
  dim’s gettin eyestrain from readin rache’s all black story about jacinda
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:57am
- KevOB
  
  They’re Australian.
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:20am
flipper

The usual suspects came out for jacindageddon, including that ugly ‘itch Young, and the ultra-left wingers like Edwards, Manhire and Anti-Bill Slater !

Watched it live and a replay. Still believe English burned jacindageddon …. But the “free be” crowd just see more “free bees”.

Show us the money ??????
Simple – tax, taxes and more taxes. Oh …… and cancel the tax cut and the Nat Super adjustment next April. To say Bill lost the election is just sour grape BS!

About time to swing the axe on the MSM pussies, the anti- Bill cadre, and jacindageddon !
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September 1, 2017 9:26am
RF

I woke up screaming in the early hours as I had a nightmare about a skull with large teeth, wingnut ears and half mullet haircut Jumping out of my 55″ TV.

Thank god it was only a dream…………… or was it ?
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September 1, 2017 9:30am
- Tarquin North
  
  I had a similar nightmare, in my one it looked like John Minto crossed with Helen Clark. The only good news is my TV is only 48″.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:55am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Don’t forget the slight Laila Harre impression
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:57am
  - KevOB
    
    Was there a hint of Kim Dot Com too?
    
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    September 1, 2017 10:21am
    - Paulus
      
      Who will be Labour Greens Immigration Minister who will turf out DotCom.
      
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      September 1, 2017 3:01pm
- Gabby
  
  Do you see the same monstrosity when you shave and when passing storefronts rf rf?
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:01am
  - Tarquin North
    
    You really are a twat Gabby.
    
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    September 1, 2017 10:15am
    - Gabby
      
      You’re more of a Mrs Palmer tarckie.
      
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      September 1, 2017 11:33am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      A ‘Tactical Women’s Alert Team’ T.W.A.T a la Cheech and Chong?
      
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      September 2, 2017 5:48am
  - rangitoto
    
    No he doesn’t but it’s an interesting question to ask Taxinda.
    
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    September 1, 2017 1:04pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Now that I think about it. Has anyone seen if she has a reflection in a mirror?
      
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      September 1, 2017 1:21pm
lastmanstanding

Finance tip. get out of stocks and bonds now and get into cash. Come 24th Sept NZX will go south and cash rates will go north.

There will be some screaming bargains in NZX and Bond market over next 6/12 months.

Capital markets are very jittery around global events and NZ markets will have the Jacinda Effect on top so a double whammy.

Remember your heard it here first
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September 1, 2017 9:30am
- KevOB
  
  Not so fast. I expect you’re right about the 24th but not the long term outlook. My view is that a GFC has begun and we may be looking at years for recovery.
  
  This makes out voting choice easy. Only National has the depth and experience to handle such a downturn.
  
  A Grand Coalition may not be a bad thing. This GFC could be the lulu of the century.
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:24am
- Paulus
  
  Have already cashed up.
  
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  September 1, 2017 3:02pm
JasonJohns

In another thread kowtow has had the courage to raise the problem of the universal franchise, and especially of women being allowed to vote:

‘It’s called the universal franchise.
Particularly wimmin voters ,easily swayed.
Frightening.’

NZ is so controlled by PC that anyone who raises this subject risks being shouted down as sexist. But without women voting we wouldn’t have the Jacinda crisis.
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September 1, 2017 9:35am
- kowtow
  
  I’m not totally against wimmin voting , but they should own property or income to qualify, same with blokes. Should have a job and pay income tax.
  It’s the universalism that’s the problem.
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:39am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Umm so women shouldn’t be in Parliament either, tell you your mother that she isn’t capable of making rational choices.
  
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  September 2, 2017 5:52am
krazykiwi

DPF, there’s a sidebar story on Kiwiblog with a R.I.P. tombstone and “Latest Poll Dire for Labour”

Would you be able to change this to “Latest Poll Dire for New Zealand”.

Thanks.
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September 1, 2017 9:37am
- Manolo
  
  Unfortunately, each country gets the government it deserves, dear krazykiwi.
  
  If a majority of Kiwis are stupid enough to be swindled by socialist Labour, then the sheeple deserve the unpleasant experience of a high-spending, high-taxing, economy-wrecking, socialist government.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:49am
JasonJohns

KevOB has raised the danger of contamination by the Maori language during a Jacinda regime:

‘Is a 1800’s warrior tribal pa language to be recklessly promoted as a vote bribe? It is also socially very divisive.’

Bill English disgraced his European heritage by using the divisive and alien word ‘Kia ora’ during last night’s ‘debate’. That’s a taste of what’s in store. Whatever happened to the slogan ‘One people, one culture, one language’?
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September 1, 2017 9:38am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Oh bullshit. English responded with a Maori greeting to two questions from Maori viewers. He and his wife have actually taken the time to study Te Reo Maori.
  
  PS: “Kia ora” is actually two words 😉
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:46am
  - tom hunter
    
    Psssst – Keeping Stock – you’re rising to Kea’s bait!
    
    As I said of him long ago: he will say anything – absolutely anything, no matter how batshit insane – to start a fight or keep one going.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:53am
    - JasonJohns
      
      If you look at my upticks Tom you will see that many patriots here agree with my scientific and Biblically based arguments.
      
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      September 1, 2017 9:57am
    - Jack5
      
      Tom, you’re right. Keas are entertaining mountain parrots. They’re one of the big draws for tourists, and in my view, the Kea personas enliven Kiwiblog’s general debate threads.
      
      I suspect Kea is a very bright woman or man who has a mental block in some study project, and is repeatedly drawn or diverted to create mayhem on Kiwiblog. He/she thinks it’s entirely satire, but I suspect Kea is an iconoclastic loaner and what we read reveals a lot about the bird’s personality.
      
      The motivation is probably an amplified version of what leads most of us to dabble or babble on the blog.
      
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      September 1, 2017 9:58am
      - Kimbo
        
        People underestimate Gabby, too. Among the scatology are some real nuggets – and a very good knowledge of rugby that goes back at least two generations. What’s not to like about that?
        
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        September 1, 2017 10:39am
  - JasonJohns
    
    As KevOB has noted the language is highly dangerous. Bill should be setting a better example.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:56am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Giving a token greeting in a foreign language is virtue signalling at its finest.
      
      One should start and finish in the same language.
      
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      September 1, 2017 10:25am
  - KevOB
    
    “Ora” or transliterations literally means “live” or “life” in Polynesia. The “(k)ia” is a particle used as an imperative–like a double exclamation point.
    
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    September 1, 2017 10:32am
- howitis
  
  Bill English is a Samoan Chief.
  His children are (+/-) one quarter Samoan.
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/332172/new-zealand-pm-receives-his-samoan-title
  
  Surely he could make the effort to speak in Samoan.
  He has never worked this South Akl opportunity.
  Another example of National throwing this election.
  
  Talofa Bill.
  
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  September 1, 2017 12:48pm
  - KevOB
    
    Are you implying Mrs English is a afakasi?
    
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    September 1, 2017 2:03pm
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      I’m not implying anything.
      Mary English has a Samoan father and an Italian Mother.
      She is one of 13 kids from that union.
      
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      September 1, 2017 7:13pm
srylands

It is concerning that there is an ever growing segment of voters that see the Government as “provider”rather than as a steward of the country.

So they think the Government should provide benefits, housing, child care, paid parental leave, all the way through to subsidised electric cars.

I have never had any expectation I would get anything from the Government. And I have not been disappointed.

If you think the role of the Government is to protect citizens, the quality of institutions, a defence force, a first rate legal system – the infrastructure of society, you will make some very different voting decisions.

The problem is that the numbers of voters that see government through my second paradigm are growing smaller. (Hence ACT’s death).

So the current malaise can go on and on for a while yet. However the correction can be very painful. I recall after the Christchurch earthquake working with a Greek seismologist. She had come out for the work in Canterbury and to escape Greece. I recall her telling me that all her family and friends and her thought everything was fine. Then one day it was like “Someone has taken all the money.” I hope we don’t go down that track. But I have no doubt at all that there are enough New Zealanders who are just like that Greek example. Simply clueless.
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September 1, 2017 9:42am
- Gabby
  
  Did the Greeks have people dying of treatable diseases while Saudi billionaires were being given hobby farms sly? Did Munter McMutton take all their money?
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:07am
- kowtow
  
  srylands , and I’m not trying to be funny but your paragraph
  “So they think the Government should provide benefits, housing, child care, paid parental leave, all the way through to subsidised electric cars.”
  Could apply equally to the Nats as to Labour.
  
  We are in deep shit.
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:34am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  But when you have 8% deducted each month from your wages for 35 years, for superannuation, and at age 65 find that it has all been taken by the government, as has happened to my mate from Piraeus, you tend to get a bit upset.
  That is the polite way of putting it.
  Fucking ropeable is a more accurate way of describing his disappointment.
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:46am
- rangitoto
  
  You will have to be scheduled for a spell at one of Taxinda’s secret re-education camps.
  
  As the great DMT said: “Socialism is wonderful until you run out of other peoples money”
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:46am
JasonJohns

Just to build on kowtow’s brave argument against women’s suffrage, here is a statement from the visionary opponents of this move back in the 1890s

Because all government rests ultimately on force, to which women, owing to physical, moral and social reasons, are not capable of contributing.

Because women are not capable of full citizenship, for the simple reason that they are not available for purposes of national and Imperial defence. All government rests ultimately on force, to which women, owing to physical, moral and social reasons, are not capable of contributing.

Because there is little doubt that the vast majority of women have no desire for the vote.

Because the acquirement of the Parliamentary vote would logically involve admission to Parliament itself, and to all Government offices. It is scarcely possible to imagine a woman being Minister for War, and yet the principles of the Suffragettes involve that and many similar absurdities.

Because the United Kingdom is not an isolated state, but the administrative and governing centre of a system of colonies and also of dependencies. The effect of introducing a large female element into the Imperial electorate would undoubtedly be to weaken the centre of power in the eyes of these dependent millions.

Because past legislation in Parliament shows that the interests of women are perfectly safe in the hands of men.

Because Woman Suffrage is based on the idea of the equality of the sexes, and tends to establish those competitive relations which will destroy chivalrous consideration.
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September 1, 2017 9:43am
Ross12

Can some one please get me up to date. What is Turei’s status with the Green Party. Is she still a member and if so, is she still on their list?
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September 1, 2017 9:45am
- Keeping Stock
  
  No, she is not on the list. She is standing as a candidate in the Te Tai Tonga electorate, and if, as expected, she does not win the seat she will get a nice, fat redundancy for being a defeated Member of Parliament. The only positive is that she will not get to make a valedictory.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:48am
  - Swifty
    
    Parts of one of her very recent speeches was played on NatRad this morning. She made it very clear she has unfinished business and that she has no regrets about telling her story. She definitely wants back in.
    
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    September 1, 2017 10:15am
  - Ross12
    
    Thanks KS.
    It was just there was a bit on WO saying something like ” you’ll get the Greens with them and Turia as part of the Greens”
    
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    September 1, 2017 10:43am
Hugh Pavletich

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1 NEWS viewers give their verdict on English vs Ardern in first TVNZ leaders debate | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/1-news-viewers-give-their-verdict-english-vs-ardern-in-first-tvnz-leaders-debate

Labour leader Jacinda Ardern won last night’s first TVNZ leaders debate of the election campaign, according to a poll of 1 NEWS Facebook followers.

Two hours after the debate, which was live-streamed on Facebook, 7455 people had voted in the poll, which was an unscientific gauge of viewers’ picks.

Asked “Who do you think performed best during our first Leaders’ Debate?” 64 per cent said Jacinda Ardern and 36 per cent gave the nod to National leader Bill English. … view and read more via hyperlink above …

… with further posts …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/09/links-1-september-2017/#comment-2946458
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September 1, 2017 9:56am
- Prince
  
  Radio Sport listeners rated it 70% English, 30% Ardern.
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:37am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Don Brash thinks Labour will win election | Newshub
    
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/don-brash-thinks-labour-will-win-election.html
    
    Don Brash, former leader of both ACT and National, says Labour will take out the 2017 election.
    
    “It looks as if they might [win]. Momentum is certainly on Labour’s side and National is vulnerable in certain areas,” he told The AM show on Friday morning.
    
    It comes after a Colmar-Brunton poll released on Thursday evening saw Labour ahead of National for the first time since 2007. … view and read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    September 1, 2017 1:00pm
    - KevinH
      
      Brash is wrong on that call. Labour will not win the election.
      This election will be determined by coalitions.
      One poll does not make a government. The Colmar Brunton poll indicates Labour is rising in support. What we are witnessing is the bounce effect of having a new photogenic leader.
      The question is can Labour maintain and capitalise on the momentum, or is it peaking to early.
      
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      September 1, 2017 2:10pm
Chuck Bird

I did not watch the debate last night as I went to see a local debate in the Waikato. I was pleased I got a chance to ask the Green candidate, Philippa Stevenson a question.

I stated that I was very concerned that Green MPs thought they were above the law. I mentioned that I was not referring to the MSD issue but highlighted to two other examples. The first was how Green MPs thought it was okay to break the law and smoke cannabis. I referred to Nándor Tánczos.

The second example was Sue Bradford’s illegal protests where she had to be dragged away by police.

The Greenie failed to understand the question and said everyone should obey the law including MPs. She also mentioned some laws were stupid and how the majority wanted cannabis law reformed.

My point which all the other candidates understood was that those involved in the justice system be they lawyers, police, judges or law makers be held to a higher standard than the hoi polloi.

I would rightfully be outraged if I was before a judge on a traffic offense the judge was known to be a dope smoker. The same should apply to MPs.

After the meeting over a cuppa I spoke to her more. I raised the issue of smacking and said many MPs disagree with the law and asked if she would object to them smacking a naughty toddlers if the thought it a bad law. She thought that it was not okay as she believed the anti smacking law was a good law so it must be obeyed.

Any party that does not support rule of law has no business in Parliament. I am going to every candidate meeting that is close by and put these arrogant Greens on the spot.
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September 1, 2017 9:57am
- cmm
  
  Quite.
  
  We have a process by which society decides which are good laws and bad laws, and MPs are part of that process.
  
  Why would you want an MP (by definition who is part of that process) who wants to just undermine that process when it is not what they want, but wants more of that process when it is something they agree with?
  
  But logic is a white male construct, so feelz.
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:08am
- Gabby
  
  Eh oop, I just think it’s a stroke of luck that you’ve managed to find the person who decides whether laws are good so we know whether we need to obey them. I should get her number on speed dial.
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:12am
- Kimbo
  
  I was pleased I got a chance to ask the Green candidate…a question.
  
  The first was how Green MPs thought it was okay to break the law and smoke cannabis. I referred to Nándor Tánczos.
  
  The second example was Sue Bradford’s illegal protests where she had to be dragged away by police.
  
  The Greenie failed to understand the question
  
  Um, as Bradford and Tánczos haven’t been Green MPs since 2009 perhaps she no doubt, rightly, considered it irrelevant. But if you think otherwise, did you also ask the Labour candidate if they thought their party was soft on obeying the law and national defense, what with Michael Joseph Savage and Peter Fraser being imprisoned in in 1916 due to their opposition to conscription during World War I?!
  
  On a more relevant note – did you ask the Greens their policy for the elderly suffering from senility?
  
  After the meeting over a cuppa I spoke to her more.
  
  Stalker!! Can see the headlines now – “Elderly Ngarauwahia resident restrained and pepper-sprayed after harassing Green candidate”
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:48am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    What a hypocrite!! Talking about stalker. What are you but an internet stalker?
    
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    September 1, 2017 12:56pm
    - Kimbo
      
      But I’m not the one who first pestered and trolled others who were minding their own business with, “What do you think, Kimbo?” concerning Winston Peters’ Pike River talking points
      
      …and then when I gave you the courtesy of my answer, you didn’t reciprocate when I asked questions back at you. So not my fault you’ve got an interweb “bunny boiler” on your case! Should have thought of that before you made me feel special by giving me your attention, and said you cared about what I thought…and implied you loved me. 😉
      
      How’s that paternity test for ~~John Bank’s~~ Chuck Bird's alleged love child going, btw? 😉
      
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      September 1, 2017 1:05pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        As I said maybe you are my love child. When I was younger and used to drink too much I occasionally woke up with some women I would rather not.
        
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        September 1, 2017 3:31pm
      - Kimbo
        
        To quote David Garrett: Kiwiblog, where you learn something new every day! 😉
        
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        September 1, 2017 3:35pm
- RF
  
  Chuck… good work. Just keep chipping away.
  
  I woke up to you on NewsTalk ZB early this morning. Next time I want my own pillow.
  
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  September 1, 2017 6:16pm
JasonJohns

A number of commenters here have alluded to the practice of pegging and linked it to a Jacinda-ruled NZ. I won’t go into the hideous details of this practice, except to say it involves an unnaturally endowed woman and a submissive man, but I can confirm that it is on the rise across the country, as more and more men succumb to the domination of their wives, and the Christly conjugal rite of the martial bed becomes a black Satanic ritual. What is worst is that many men, deprived of their old masculine and Aryan pride, actually convince themselves that they enjoy this perversion. In short, that big red strap-on is no joke. If you want a vision of the future under Jacinda, imagine that strap-on ravishing a cuckolded male – forever.
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September 1, 2017 10:02am
- Swifty
  
  I do hear that the hiterto little-known medical procedure, the strapadicktomy, is on the rise.
  
  However, I didn’t realise it has become so mainstream.
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:09am
  - Manolo
    
    Our lost Muslim mate, stephieboy, is in favour of anything finished in ..ctomy. 😀
    
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    September 1, 2017 10:15am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  This site is wonderful. I had to google pegging.
  Until today I thought pegging was hanging the washing on the clothes line.
  I learn something new every day.
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:55am
  - Longknives
    
    Know how to clear your browser history and cookies Tauhei?
    I’d hate you to have some awkward explaining to do to the wife when she sees that particular Google Image in the history..
    
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    September 1, 2017 11:52am
Manolo

I reckon veteran comrade Yoza is a close advisor to tyrant Maduro:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/hope-is-gone-for-venezuelan-opposition-1504171802

Five months of violent anti-government demonstrations have dissipated and the epicentre in Caracas, Plaza Altamira, sits eerily quiet. The barricades that opponents once set up to slow government armored vehicles are gone.

Rumors of a military uprising are gone. And life has returned to normal, with people struggling to find enough to eat in a country stricken by shortages.
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September 1, 2017 10:13am
Ross12

Oh dear. The fun is really starting in the USA. Firstly the Anwan / Wasserman-Schultz massive issue and now we have Comey right front and centre with his rear end about to be put in the fire. It looks like he drafted the FIB’s position on Clinton email problems BEFORE he and FBI officers did any of the major interviews including the one with Clinton.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/08/31/james-comey-drafted-conclusion-in-clinton-probe-prior-to-fbi-interviewing-key-witnesses/#more-137968
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September 1, 2017 10:55am
JasonJohns

Really inspiring to see the Kiwiblog community giving some upticks for the principled and visionary arguments against female suffrage that were made in the 1890s. Just shows that wisdom never ages. I would like to salute kowtow for having the courage to raise the problem of the female vote. Now what we need is a political party brave enough to campaign to reverse this unfortunate policy.
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September 1, 2017 10:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If I did not have the vote, I wouldn’t be bothered telling the hubby who he had to vote for.
  
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  September 1, 2017 11:18am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Oh, I’d still do that Maggy ?
    
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    September 1, 2017 2:29pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Still after all these years? 😉
    Some men are slow learners.
    
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    September 2, 2017 6:05am
JasonJohns

Vote first, peg later – that’s feminism in a nutshell. Uptick if you agree.
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September 1, 2017 10:56am
MCos

Good news for all the President Trump supporters on this forum.
A replica of the baseball style cap he wore on his trip to boost the morale of embattled Texans is now available for purchase on his web site at the knock off price of about fifty bucks.
All proceeds go not to the relief effort, as you’d expect, but to his reelection campaign.
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September 1, 2017 11:09am
- Scott
  
  You may be interested to know that Trump has given $1 million of his own money to the relief effort. But that wasn’t good enough for the associated press who criticised him for not giving enough to charity in the past. Obviously if you are a Trump hater then he can never ever win.
  
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  September 1, 2017 11:26am
- All_on_Red
  
  It was available to buy last January- along with other stuff.
  So it’s a not a new release. Not ‘now available’. So Trump is not capitalising on the flood.
  Nice try though.
  
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  September 1, 2017 11:40am
- Fletch
  
  Meanwhile, Hillary is going on her book tour. You’ll have to pay big bucks to see her though.
  
  The “platinum VIP ticket” to Clinton’s talks in Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal costs $2,375.95 (or 2,967 Canadian dollars), Fox News reports. For those who can afford it, the ticket brings two front-row seats, a photo with Clinton backstage and a signed book.
  
  According to the website selling the tickets, a “VIP Ticket” is also available for $183.15 (or 229 Canadian dollars). The least expensive ticket for Clinton’s talks in Canada is $71.18 (or 89 Canadian dollars).
  
  The ticket prices for Clinton’s book tour vary from venue to venue. For her talk in Florida, for example, the price ranges from $50 to $375.
  
  http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-book-tour-vip-tickets-657995
  
  I guess now that she can’t do money for political favours she has to make money somehow.
  
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  September 1, 2017 11:50am
  - Scott
    
    Fletch that doesn’t surprise me at all. The Clintons are all about the money.
    Hillary Clinton when she was running for president charged people to come to her birthday party!
    
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    September 1, 2017 12:00pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    $2400 for a ‘meet and greet’? Cheap! Saudi Princes and Russian Uranium buyers will be pissed.
    It used to cost them millions!
    
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    September 1, 2017 12:04pm
- kowtow
  
  Good news? More like fake news.
  
  I see Al Jazeera were blaming ‘climate change’ for the flooding. Then when they talk details climate change isn’t mentioned but the growth of Houston on a flood plain and a lack of proper planning are the actual cause not ‘climate change’.
  
  Various “news’ outlets calling it the worst natural disaster in US history . San Fransisco Fire, Hurricane Andrew , Katrina etc much more loss of life.
  
  Fake news. Lying media.
  
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  September 1, 2017 11:54am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The Galveston flood in 1900 was worse. 15′ high storm surges and roughly 10,000 died.
    Guess those big Chevy SUVs were a real problem at the turn of the Century huh.
    
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    September 1, 2017 12:02pm
  - Ross12
    
    This is a long but a good one on the “AGW caused Harvey” rubbish kowtow.
    Micheal Mann tries to keep his name in lights with an article in the Guardian explaining why AGW is at fault. Along comes a real meteorologist Joe Bastardi and explains what was happening with Harvey was the exact OPPOSITE to what Mann was saying.
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/08/31/michael-manns-claims-that-harvey-was-caused-by-global-warming-are-destroyed-by-an-operational-meteorologist/
    
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    September 1, 2017 12:06pm
    - Morrissey
      
      “….a real meteorologist Joe Bastardi…”
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blpe_sGnnP4
      
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      September 1, 2017 12:27pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      Hello ross .
      Atmospheric physics .
      Basic shite really but well beyond the loons who people this blog.
      
      The amount of moisture air can hold is dependent on temperature.
      For every 1C warmer the air can hold 7% more moisture. The storm held more rain than it would have without global warming.
      
      A hurricane is a heat engine .
      More warmth more power. The storm was stronger than it would have been without global warming.
      
      Sea level is rising at an accelerating rate .
      The flooding was amplified by rising seas.
      
      When you deny such basic physic you can safely be placed in the category.
      Ignorant .
      
      Mann did not say the storm was caused by global warming so your nutter source can not even get that right .
      
      You find such fuckwittery on WUWT because it is a blog full of nonsense for ignorant nutters..
      
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      September 1, 2017 2:36pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Sea level is rising at an accelerating rate
        
        Nope. No evidence of that. Sea levels near Galverston are rising, but not at an accelerate rate if you look at the average rate since 1900. Of interest though is that Galverston island is sinking at a faster rate than most other areas in the country. I’m sure that doesn’t help.
        
        Also, you should probably stop calling everyone ignorant. Your drug-impaired attempts at ‘science’ are a bit like an author hitting random keys on a keyboard and expect a poem to materialise.
        
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        September 1, 2017 3:17pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        but not at an accelerate rate if you look at the average rate since 1900.
        
        one of the most stupid things I have seen you say so far
        It takes some work to say something so gibbering ignorant .
        Well duh
        Hello Krazy Nutter .
        Sea level rise over the lest couple of century’s
        1.2 mm a year
        Over the last forty years
        about 3.3 mm a year
        over the last twenty
        about 4mm a year
        An increasing rate is called acceleration.
        What you just said was so dumb have you tried eating yourself ?
        
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        September 1, 2017 4:07pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        hello kiwi the crazy.
        So sorry mate pigeon chess just gets you laughed at more .
        What I have said for the last few days and what Distinguished Professor Mann said is the same .
        We can add Dr Jeff Masters and Dr Dr. Gavin Schmidt as they have also pointed out the same Physics .
        
        You on the other hand think average over time gives you acceleration
        A year ten kid should pick up how incredibly dumb that is .
        Here a statistic analysis of sea level.
        https://tamino.wordpress.com/2017/07/25/a-few-other-stations/
        The Neil White in the comments is one of the worlds leading authority’s on sea level .
        
        When (as is happening) the rate of sea-level rise is increasing, the trend over recent decades is higher than the trend over the full record.
        
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        September 1, 2017 4:42pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Care to comment on NOAA’s red line from the start of the series (1900) onward?
        
        Accelerating? Nope. Of course you could cherry-pick start and end dates to show either accelerating of decelerating sea level rises. But that would be corrupt practice, wouldn’t it? Ask Mann.
        
        Try again my friend.
        
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        September 1, 2017 8:31pm
Morrissey

Paula Penfold made an impressive appearance on the A.M. show
—but the sports guy looked REALLY unhappy!

Watch Mark Richardson’s display of dumb hostility as Paula Penfold talks….

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/08/kiwi-soldiers-tied-dead-enemies-to-trucks-report.html
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September 1, 2017 11:43am
Surely Knott

I’ve just read an article about Golriz Ghorman Greens Candidate for Te Atatu. And I didn’t realise she’s actually from Freemans. What the heck is hapening in the bays a hotbed of politicians who come out to West Auckland or Northland pretending to be the voice of the people. First silent T, now golriz and winston – I’m not sure who ticked “single” and i haven’t seen the reminders it cannot be explained – peters, all from the flashest suburbs in Auckland being voted in by the working classes. And if we want more honesty in politics why do we keep voting in so many lawyers.
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September 1, 2017 11:47am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

“On the latest poll:
When asked about last night’s game-changing poll, Ardern said she was surprised.
The party’s internal polls do not show the same jump for Labour as the 1 News Colmar Brunton poll, she says.”

There at Winston First blog, Whale Oil and his cronies are singing the death song for National and urging National voters to vote for Winston.
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September 1, 2017 11:49am
rightoverlabour

Cameron Slater- Traitor

Yes, the next few polls will be interesting. The only one I am really concerned about is the 23rd September. We have to get complacent voters out en masse. I doubt the swing to Lab has been that strong though
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September 1, 2017 11:56am
- Morrissey
  
  The complacent voters do come out—they vote for National and (shamefully, because they’re guided like sheep to do it) for its ACT minion.
  
  It’s when the disaffected and thoughtful and young voters come out in force that National dreads.
  
  And there’s always a rainy day to pray for, huh?
  
  Then there’s always this option….
  https://previews.123rf.com/images/iconogenic/iconogenic1504/iconogenic150402213/38921892-Young-desperate-business-man-with-stress-expression-pulling-his-tie-around-neck–Stock-Photo.jpg
  
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  September 1, 2017 12:06pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    No one wears Ties anymore.
    
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    September 1, 2017 1:35pm
  - KevinH
    
    The Colmar Brunton poll may be flattering to Labour but isn’t backed up by statistics from the Electoral Commission.
    If Labour are expecting a youth quake to deliver them into power, they will be dissappointed.
    In the u35 age groups there are still approxiamately 300,000 who have yet to register:
    
    http://www.elections.org.nz/research-statistics/enrolment-statistics-electorate
    
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    September 1, 2017 1:59pm
- Paulus
  
  Who is Cameron Slater ?
  Isn’t he a hasbeen ?
  
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  September 1, 2017 3:10pm
Manolo

It didn’t last very long, did it?
Always an unashamed trougher and a fraud:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/i-want-to-be-back-with-a-mandate/ar-AAr3Mdy?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

Former Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei is back on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Christchurch last night she wants to stay in Parliament.
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September 1, 2017 12:11pm
- Morrissey
  
  THIS is a “trougher” if ever there was one….
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2711246/Bill-English-defends-taxpayer-cash-for-house
  
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  September 1, 2017 12:29pm
  - starboard
    
    Morris, can you take Gabby and MM and fuck off, maybe go and have a circle jerk in a toilet..any toilet
    
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    September 1, 2017 12:36pm
    - Morrissey
      
      So…what did YOU think about English ripping you and me and other taxpayers off?
      
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      September 1, 2017 12:40pm
      - starboard
        
        Have a look in your own stinky backyard morris
        People in glass houses and all that…
        
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        September 1, 2017 1:06pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Have a look in your own stinky backyard morris
        People in glass houses and all that…
        
        No, starboard, there are no freeloading National Party MPs anywhere NEAR my back yard, thank God. My neighbourhood is comprised of decent, hard-working people.
        
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        September 1, 2017 3:02pm
      - mandk
        
        He did not rip-off you, me or any other taxpayer.
        
        He was given the wrong advice by a parliamentary official, he was cleared of blame by the Auditor General, and he returned the money.
        
        So just run along, sonny, and look for people who commit conscious, complex and sustained benefit fraud.
        
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        September 1, 2017 3:50pm
- Fletch
  
  Maybe I should go into Parliament. You don’t need any qualifications, do you? Nandor was an MP wasn’t he? And he was basically a stoner skateboarder.
  
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  September 1, 2017 12:30pm
  - Morrissey
    
    You didn’t listen to him speak. He was, and is, smart and well read.
    
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    September 1, 2017 12:35pm
    - Lance
      
      I wish there was an ignore button…
      Bloody pain in the arse morrissey is about as palatable as fingernails down a blackboard, some arsehole talking in the movies and a cup of cold sick….. all rolled into one.
      Utter endless drivel
      
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      September 1, 2017 2:52pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Lance, you need one of these….
        
        http://images.clipartpanda.com/hug-clipart-big-bear-hug-clipart-1.jpg
        
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        September 1, 2017 2:59pm
  - KevOB
    
    MMP Mushy mind plonkers.
    
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    September 1, 2017 2:15pm
JasonJohns

Some amazing content from the Hobson’s Pledge facebook page.

Ross Bodle What puzzles me is how come Maori get all these claims especially when they as a people were not the first to settle these islands of Aotearoa /New Zealand? They say they sailed here in open canoes wakas and yet we know to live a healthy life at sea in an open vessel life expectancy is only 7- 8days without water, but to maintain a healthy life at sea one must drink at least one litre of water every 24 hours. How’s your maths these days i.e. the distance from Tahiti to New Zealand (as the crow flies) 2.5 -3000 nm. A voyage at say eight knots in a double Waka /canoe with a crew say, 130 souls aboard would take two months sailing time frame to reach our shores 130 x 60 days = 7,800 litres of water.If the seas and tide are against these wakas the distance and time frame would be longer say three months at sea =130 souls x 90 days at sea = 11,700 litres of water Question: where did they store all the water?, Coconuts, bamboo poles mussels attached to lines towed behind each vessel, also mentioned they sucked the raw juice from the flesh of the fish to survive. Really… After sailing the same waters I find this a real puzzle? from our own experiences tells us to sail to a distant country without the knowledge of the location is simply folly, it just didn’t happen there was no arrival of seven canoes ever … They arrived at our shores from the west not from the east as we have been led to believe.
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September 1, 2017 12:17pm
- Morrissey
  
  Indeed. Why waste time reading books by academics when we can read social media opinions by people like “Ross Bodle”?
  
  (Is that another of Cameron Slater’s pseudonyms, perchance?)
  
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  September 1, 2017 12:31pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    Ross Bodle is in fact one of NZ’s foremost scholars. You ought to apologise for not recognising this.
    
    Here is the blurb for Ross’ most recent book.
    
    Before my dad died he gave me books published very early, on elements of our history. One by Judge J A Wilson of the Native Land Court of New Zealand who mentioned there were others living here who were the ‘Urukehu’ white New Zealanders with red hair. Supposedly, they were not the “martial people” and were butchered by the Hawaiki-Maori. They lived near the Mohaka river before having to flee for their lives.
    
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    September 1, 2017 12:35pm
    - Morrissey
      
      I am, unfortunately, well aware of who Ross Bodle is. He’s a scholar in the sense Alan Titford is a scholar.
      
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      September 1, 2017 12:44pm
    - tom hunter
      
      You’ve got a live one here, Kea.
      
      Far Lefter – so “smart”. Best of luck!
      
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      September 1, 2017 12:51pm
- KevOB
  
  I think your numbers are bit generous. Maori linguistically are close to the Cooks Islanders and that group are only 3,000km from Auckland.
  
  The va’a, waka etc were most likely the very large ocean going outriggers, not unlike catamarans, which I have seen in the Fiji Museum. Those were wind driven not oared and were huge with upper decks and longer than my house of 15m. Polynesian sailing skills are not just legendary they are vouched for by wars. Tonga invaded Samoa for example.
  
  A trip with, say, 15 people might have been done in 12 days at 1okph. That would only require the equivalent of couple 200 litre drums of water. The “migrations” were probably single voyages.
  
  Migration from the West is unlikely as that is Melanesian and ethically not related.
  
  This map give a good idea and confirms the Cooks as likely.
  
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  September 1, 2017 2:57pm
- Paulus
  
  I thought they came from the Taiwan via the Cook Islands – they speak a sort of Maori there too, pre language bastardisation..
  The authenticated map I have is quite clear of the passages of the people’s of the South Pacific.
  
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  September 1, 2017 3:13pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  New paper
  
  “Changing perspectives upon Maori colonisation voyaging”
  
  http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03036758.2017.1334674
  
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  September 1, 2017 4:29pm
rightoverlabour

These two couldn’t organise a shag in a whore house. how can the deputy know fuck all about this. Jacinda starting to sound very much like Herr Jacinda, Jawoll! Three weeks of hell now….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96385172/labour-to-campaign-on-capital-gains-tax-at-next-electionor-maybe-not–kelvin-davis
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September 1, 2017 12:30pm
- Lance
  
  Silly old Kelvin was dumb enough to tell the truth.
  It’s the big red strap-on for him.
  
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  September 1, 2017 3:06pm
Morrissey

Did somebody say “whore house”?

https://www.nbr.co.nz/sites/default/files/story_imgs/shane-jones-quit.jpg
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September 1, 2017 12:34pm
JasonJohns

Hobson’s Pledge say that National must make NZ’s secret early history an issue in this election. Open up the archives…let the people see who was really tangata whenua.
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September 1, 2017 12:36pm
- mikenmild
  
  There is no secret history, Kea, but you already know that.
  
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  September 1, 2017 6:19pm
  - starboard
    
    Pull your head out of your arse mm.
    
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    September 1, 2017 6:37pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Now, I know you are very ignorant of historical matters, starboard. For example, you seem unable to give a consistent story about your imaginary service during the Vietnam War. So, expecting others to swallow your ludicrous fantasies, it comes as no surprise that you believe Kea’s stories – which most people at Kiwiblog recognise are deliberately constructed to provoke the reactions he crave.
      
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      September 1, 2017 6:52pm
JasonJohns

Hobson’s Pledge members want an inquiry into the DOC-sponsored eradication of Northland’s ancient oaks in 2004. Those oaks were a living record of the ancient European civilisation in NZ. Who ordered them to be destroyed?

OAK TREES
Below is a photo of one of many very old Oak trees that were photographed in the late 1800’s and recorded in early writings. Surveyor, Percy Smith, in about 1870 measured one English Oak in Northland to be over 6 feet thick through the trunk. It seems inconceivable that this English Oak, or many more like it around Drury or indeed Waimate in the North, could have grown to such a size in the space of time between Cook’s first visit in 1769 and 1870 when the photo was taken.

DOC’s ERADICATION PROGRAMME
Unfortunately, in 2004-2005 the Department of Conservation, without rhyme, reason, consultation or anyone’s permission are reported to have cut down many old oaks around the Bay Of Islands. Their excuse for this eco-terrorism was, “they are not indigenous to New Zealand”. This caused a major hue and cry within an insulated area of Northland, which has gone largely unreported in the mainstream media.

Information about DOC’s “Oak eradication programme” was reported by Northland resident Ian Pyke of Te Kopuru who said that these trees were over on the coast at Whangaruru in Northland just a bit South of the Bay of Islands.

The point is: DOC have no mandate from the people of New Zealand to engage in this form of eco-terrorism, especially when these trees, based upon their very large girth size at very early periods of the colonial era, appear to predate the first colonial visitors to New Zealand by many centuries. In fact, it is more than likely they may even predate Maori occupation of New Zealand.
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September 1, 2017 12:41pm
- Jack5
  
  Eco fascism isn’t confined to DOC.
  
  There have been moves to replace the lovely weeping willow trees on the banks of Christchurch’s central Avon River. The dream is to replace them with indigenous plants or trees. A few of the willows were taken down, and replaced with native flax or similar.
  
  The willows are believed by many locals to come from slips of trees grown by French settlers to Akaroa. The history or legend is that in turn these settlers took slips of willows from the grave of Napoleon when their migration ship called at St Helena.
  
  Now the eco nuts have their eyes on Christchurch’s botanical park, which has a splendid collection of trees from various parts of the world.
  
  It’s as though fanatics wanted to kill everything in our zoos except kiwis, keas, NZ falcons, and morepork owls (apart from tui, notornis, and blue ducks are there any other native creatures from NZ that haven’t been exterminated).
  
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  September 1, 2017 3:20pm
rangitoto

Loony bins should never have been shut down.
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September 1, 2017 1:17pm
mandk

Evidently, Jacinda has told Kelvin Davis off for saying that there will be a CGT if Labour are elected.

From Stuff: “Labour leader Jacinda Ardern has given her deputy a ticking off for confirming Labour will campaign on a capital gains tax in the next election.

In a confused interview with the AM Show, Kelvin Davis appeared to know little of the detail of Labour’s tax stance and seemed to resile from that comment in the next breath.

Ardern said she had not seen the interview, but Davis was “now very clear on our position”. ”

But what is Labour’s position? It is to have no position. It will all happen after there has been a Tax Working Group.

Jacinda needs to be pressed on what the independent Tax Working Group found in 2010, and about what has changed since then to necessitate another Tax Working Group.

It all sounds to me that either Labour doesn’t have a clue, or that it will use the Tax Working Group to introduce taxes by stealth.
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September 1, 2017 1:55pm
- Paulus
  
  Who is Kelvin Davis – a token Maori for election purposes ?
  
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  September 1, 2017 3:16pm
- sooty
  
  The TWG is just a means to spread the money to the selected comrades!
  
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  September 1, 2017 4:54pm
- Longknives
  
  “It all sounds to me that either Labour doesn’t have a clue..”
  
  After watching the debate last night I honestly don’t think Jacinda knows what freaking day it is!
  She just flashes her toothy smile and makes some throwaway comment about ‘Young People can’t afford Housing’…
  Yet she seems to know nothing about her own Tax Policy?
  
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  September 1, 2017 5:04pm
Stars And Stripes

Former Shortland St star Rene Naufahu insisted innocence, called accusers ‘hoes’
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11915381
“Rene Naufahu has today admitted sex charges against six women he gave acting lessons to – but new video reveals he was adamantly denying any wrongdoing and suggested the complainants were “hoes”.
The former Shortland Street star made a surprise change of plea in Auckland District Court today”.

You dirty little toe rag.
Mind you he has been well media coached as he has issued the obligatory statement saying that he wishes to apologise for the hurt he has caused and he is deeply sorry blah blah when it’s obvious this is just spin as he is only in this situation due to those dirty little hoes who set him up as the story goes.
Mind you he has just been baptised and found the lord again so I’m sure all will be forgiven.
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September 1, 2017 2:06pm
stigie

Come and talk to us ya all after we are elected and we’ll tell you rich pricks how much tax you will be paying in the water tax, capital gains tax on selling your business or farms and we’ve just included a emission tax on all dairy and sheep farmers.
Vote us in on the 23rd of September and we will be transparent in all the taxes yet to be worked out by our (TWG) tax working group headed by the Wn Fairy and Phil Twatford.
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September 1, 2017 4:22pm
- nasska
  
  It’s about as bad as these wankers peddling religion stigie.
  
  “Just trust us, put your faith in God, He’s there even if we can’t prove it”.
  
  Labour are just another pack of arseholes preying on the sick, the thick & the gullible!
  
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  September 1, 2017 4:31pm
  - stigie
    
    “the thick & the gullible!”
    That’s why Labour’s vote went from 23% to 43% in a very short time (6 weeks) Nasska, it’s just fucking bullshit and doesn’t make sense ole chap !~
    
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    September 1, 2017 4:39pm
starboard

Hmmm…Otara, I wonder.

We know, don’t we.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/96403059/disturbing-footage-illustrates-serious-assault-in-manukau-south-auckland
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September 1, 2017 4:41pm
- GoVege
  
  That was totally shocking.
  The victim was apparently working two jobs, probably not particularly well-paid, to support his family.
  What’s the bet the guy who nearly killed him was the product of some loser sperm donor who never stuck around to teach him a work ethic?
  No doubt the man he nearly killed will only be eligible for ACC from his main job.
  I don’t think Pacifica people go in for Give a Little unfortunately.
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:50pm
Inandout

Jacinda consults her parents on finance as they once ran a school canteen. That advice should stand her in good stead for running a country.
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September 1, 2017 5:06pm
- stigie
  
  Better than the Wn Fairy Inandout, what does he know about finance, he pretends to know !~
  
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  September 1, 2017 5:17pm
  - Inandout
    
    Lol, he probably knows all about ‘pay to view’.
    
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    September 1, 2017 5:54pm
- mikenmild
  
  Everyone know she should have specialised in English literature, or zoology, like our last two finance ministers…
  
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  September 1, 2017 7:01pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Fair call. Norman Kirk was a stationary engine driver but as a self-educated and very intelligent yet practical man, more than capable of handling the intricacies of government. Hell, even Murray McCully is quoting the values of Big Norm when it comes to the reasons why we co-sponsored UNSC2334.
    
    And by any reasonable measure, despite some stuff-ups which will come with any government, English and Joyce have proven their competence.
    
    So, what’s your take on the competence of Miss “Relentlessly Positive”?, mikey?
    
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    September 1, 2017 7:08pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You keep forgetting about Bill’s commerce/Economics degree don’t you?
    
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    September 1, 2017 8:23pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I tend to go with a persons highest qualification, Maggy. If you want to refer to his best School C subject, I’ll be fascinated.
      
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      September 1, 2017 8:51pm
Paul Marsden

Mr. John Banks. A father at 70. Congratulations!
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September 1, 2017 5:20pm
- Jack5
  
  John Banks is the father to a whole family of Russian orphans he and his wife adopted 20 years ago.
  
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  September 1, 2017 6:03pm
  - Gabby
    
    OR SO HE CLAIMS.
    
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    September 1, 2017 6:28pm
Monique Watson

John Banks just became a father. Way to go missing out the diaper changes.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11915586
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September 1, 2017 5:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear, the poor Chinese man that paid for John Bank’s son ($5/ week for 15 years) is going to feel a bit put out, I suspect.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11915586
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September 1, 2017 5:28pm
Muttonbird

Isn’t John Banks David Farrar’s favourite person in the whole world?

It must be a sad day for Dirty Politics fans today.
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September 1, 2017 5:41pm
- srylands
  
  Are you the son of ztev?
  
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  September 1, 2017 5:49pm
- Jack5
  
  Given the spectacular hi-jinks of Auckland mayor Bonkin’ Brown, an affiliate of Labour from the age of 17, I would say you are throwing stones from within a glasshouse, Muttonbird.
  
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  September 1, 2017 6:06pm
  - Longknives
    
    But “Everyone likes Len Brown!”
    “You are one of the Good Guys!”
    
    *According to a visibly distraught John Campbell interviewing his good mate Len after his fall from grace…
    
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    September 1, 2017 6:36pm
    - Longknives
      
      As an Auckland Ratepayer I certainly don’t “like” Len Brown.
      I always remember seeing a Len Brown rally with everyone wearing those ‘Len Brown is my Homeboy’ T-Shirts.
      Not one freaking Ratepayer amongst them…
      
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      September 1, 2017 6:40pm
- Shawn Herles
  
  “Isn’t John Banks David Farrar’s favourite person in the whole world?”
  
  No, and never has been.
  
  Dick comment.
  
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  September 1, 2017 6:29pm
Gabby

Just in time for Fathers Day. Brekkie in bed 4 Shagger Banxie.
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September 1, 2017 5:47pm
- GoVege
  
  Wonder what his newly declared son will give him for dads day?
  Hope he starts with an invoice on behalf of his mum.
  
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  September 1, 2017 6:47pm
  - GoVege
    
    And Mr Wong and MSD.
    
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    September 1, 2017 8:42pm
nasska

John Banks is a piece of work despite being semi deified by commenters on this forum:

…..”John Banks has declared himself a fundamentalist Christian who believes the world was created in six days and has derided the education ministry as being over-run by humanists.”…..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/7596566/Banks-Old-Testament-beliefs-create-conflict-in-role

YET

….” During the hearing the court heard Banks urged the mother of his illegitimate child to have an abortion and then supplied drugs to make her miscarry and pressured her to take the necessary dose.

The woman, who said in a sworn affidavit she became pregnant after having sex with Banks in a Hamilton motel, claims she refused to take the pills and the man who was later to become a two-term Auckland mayor ended their relationship.”…..

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11915586

One of the best examples of a sanctimonious, judgemental religious nut who feels qualified to dictate the lives of others while walking on feet of clay.

I’ve flushed better.
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September 1, 2017 6:04pm
- mikenmild
  
  And all those sanctimonious fools that believe he was actually unaware of the donations from the large German should come and see the nice bridge I have for sale…
  
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  September 1, 2017 6:09pm
- GoVege
  
  Well put, nasska!
  
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  September 1, 2017 6:37pm
- realityczech
  
  Banks is a scumbag. Fake contrived and full of shit.
  
  I got to seriously dislike him when he had a talk back show. He only accepted two types of call; Praising John Banks and praising his ideas. Others got cut off.
  
  When can add coward and bully to the list.
  
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  September 1, 2017 6:40pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Well said, Kea. I switched off after he started the hilarious (to him) stunt of deliberately mispronouncing Maori names.
    
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    September 1, 2017 6:59pm
Jack5

There should be legally required DNA tests of all babies.

This would help make fathers, rather than the State, responsible for upkeep of their children. It would be useful for the health system, and for identification in cases of mass tragedies.

If DNA testing were compulsory, and access to results were restricted to the health and legal systems, it would be no greater infringement of privacy than compulsory photographs on driving licences and passports.
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September 1, 2017 6:11pm
- realityczech
  
  And will stop women lying about who the father is. Eg: the guy with the money.
  
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  September 1, 2017 6:20pm
- nasska
  
  To be of any real use a dna sample of every man in NZ would be needed for matching purposes. The alternative would be for any male to be compelled to submit to dna testing on the uncorroborated word of the mother.
  
  No thanks!
  
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  September 1, 2017 6:22pm
  - realityczech
    
    The person named as a father should be able to demand a DNA test.
    
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    September 1, 2017 6:28pm
    - nasska
      
      As I understand it they can although it has to be sanctioned by the court if the mother doesn’t consent.
      
      But the idea of a central dna bank accessible by government agencies is a statist’s wet dream.
      
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      September 1, 2017 6:33pm
      - realityczech
        
        The lying sluts should have no choice. The test should be done but then all records and samples destroyed. There should be no way the police can use it under any circumstances. Ever.
        
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        September 1, 2017 6:49pm
      - Jack5
        
        Nasska at 6.33 says: “But the idea of a central dna bank accessible by government agencies is a statist’s wet dream.”
        
        You could say pretty much the same thing about compulsory registration of births, and about electoral rolls.
        
        Apart from identifying individuals, DNA, at least at this stage, is of limited value in establishing things like ethnic or racial origin.
        
        How do you envisage a compulsory national DNA database being misused, Nasska? What are the dangers?
        
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        September 1, 2017 7:07pm
  - GoVege
    
    There was a fair bit of “corroboration” in Banksie’s case, nasska.
    That’s why the judge decided he was the dad despite stubbornly refusing to take a test for yonks.
    And a mouth swab doesn’t hurt.
    Not as much as a stun gun etc I’m sure.
    (Sorry…couldn’t resist that one.)
    
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    September 1, 2017 6:44pm
    - nasska
      
      It’s not the “hurt” or even the inconvenience I object to GoVege. It’s the matter of forcing anyone to undergo a proceedure for no better reason than the State’s convenience that rarks me up.
      
      There is absolutely no difference between enforced dna harvesting & tattooing an ID number on citizens’ arms.
      
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      September 1, 2017 6:50pm
      - realityczech
        
        Currently you can be “forced” to pay for another mans child. Extensive records are kept about you, what you earn, and of your movements. All because some slut lied to get your money.
        
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        September 1, 2017 6:53pm
      - mikenmild
        
        No nasska. When a simple non-invasive test means that an absent father can be financially liable for some of the burden assumed by his fellow taxpayer, I’m all for it.
        
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        September 1, 2017 6:57pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “The lying sluts should have no choice”
        
        “All because some slut lied to get your money.”
        
        You haven’t had a girlfriend in a very long time, have you Kea? 🙂
        
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        September 1, 2017 7:01pm
      - GoVege
        
        Fair enough, nasska.
        But with all the deadbeat sperm-donors out there relying on decent men to pay for the support of their kids, as well as for their own, it would be good to have these users identified.
        (And hopefully jailed until they cough up or have a vasectomy.)
        But there would need to be some evidence before they come knocking on your door.
        
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        September 1, 2017 7:02pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Would you feel differently Nasska if the sampler was a double D and had a like of high black boots?.
        
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        September 1, 2017 7:05pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”I’m all for it.”…..
        
        Fair enough but I’m not. The price of having the State in a position to ID its law abiding citizens is too high for any likely benefit.
        
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        September 1, 2017 7:05pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”if the sampler was a double D and had a like of high black boots”…..
        
        I have a preference for short slim chicks with about a B cup S&S . See for example http://nebula.wsimg.com/7fc1cc4e41c65574fddd003b32493922?AccessKeyId=A9179D22DD850FF1D780&disposition=0&alloworigin=1 for a photo of Suzi Quatro who bears a striking likeness to a younger Mrs Nasska.
        
        But the high black boots sparks my interest. 🙂
        
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        September 1, 2017 7:12pm
  - Jack5
    
    Nasska at 6.11 posted: “To be of any real use a dna sample of every man in NZ would be needed for matching purposes.”
    
    If all babies were DNA tested a comprehensive database would be built up over a few decades, and it could be made part of other requirements, such as applications for residency.
    
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    September 1, 2017 7:01pm
    - nasska
      
      The road still leads to compulsory ID Jack5 & that’s what I don’t want to see happen. I’m not too keen on photographs on drivers licences either.
      
      Presently we have a fairly benign, if incompetent, government but if things turn to custard a centralised dna bank will become a tool to micro manage citizens’ lives.
      
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      September 1, 2017 7:26pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        This issue has already been raised in NZ.
        Since about 1970 most new-born babies in NZ have had the Guthrie heel prick test whereby some drops of their blood is collected on a piece of card.
        
        One “dad” wanted access to his child’s blood sample to ascertain if he was the dad.
        
        https://www.privacy.org.nz/assets/Files/70989185.pdf
        
        Seems we have legislation that safeguards the privacy of the blood samples…….. but how easy would it be to change the rules?
        
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        September 1, 2017 8:57pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  “This would help make fathers, rather than the State, responsible for upkeep of their children”.
  
  Will catch a few outstanding debtors but by and large the biggest group of absent fathers are unemployed bums or jailbirds who will never pay even if identified so the problem is still left to the long suffering taxpayer.
  
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  September 1, 2017 6:38pm
  - Jack5
    
    Stars and Stripes, there could be deductions from welfare payments.
    
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    September 1, 2017 7:08pm
dad4justice

John Banks you are a total disgrace to fatherhood. You deserve what’s coming to you.
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September 1, 2017 6:32pm
- Happychappy
  
  D4J: AT least he can say he is not bent and doesn’t frequent Hagley Park.
  
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  September 1, 2017 7:12pm
  - dad4justice
    
    Indeed Happychappy I have always been a fan of Banks, but now I am disappointed in him. However he is normal compared to the twisted bearded professor who engaged in lewd acts with a mentally disadvantaged homosexual.
    
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    September 1, 2017 7:24pm
    - stigie
      
      Please tell us some more of the sordid bits and pieces you have Dad, it sounds bloody riveting..?
      
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      September 1, 2017 7:28pm
    - mikenmild
      
      What acts did he perform on you?
      
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      September 1, 2017 7:36pm
    - Happychappy
      
      D4J : By the way Winston is upset with all you people that gave comments on the latest Colmar Brunton Poll with over 50% saying that they don’t want to see him in any major position like Finance or Deputy PM in any coalition. Winston First is spewing accusing the media of asking Questions that should never be asked. Poor Winston he can thrw the shit and doesn’t expect the media to ask Questions but then when they take him to task he cries wolf.
      
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      September 1, 2017 8:08pm
      - stigie
        
        Vote Winston First and get into bed with Labour/Greens and be satisfied with a damn good rodgering !~
        
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        September 1, 2017 8:19pm
  - mikenmild
    
    That’s certainly an achievement to cling to…
    
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    September 1, 2017 7:25pm
    - dad4justice
      
      mm are you another Kea identity?
      
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      September 1, 2017 7:28pm
    - JasonJohns
      
      The sap flows. The only question is whether it will flow in a natural or alien direction.
      
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      September 1, 2017 7:29pm
JasonJohns

I’m no saint, but I look after my personal hygiene. Uptick if you agree.
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September 1, 2017 6:40pm
- mikenmild
  
  How do you manage lice and tick infestations in your feathers, Kea?
  
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  September 1, 2017 6:54pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    Pretty simple stuff Mike. Don’t eat where you shit, for a start. Simple stuff. Don’t go snorkelling in an open sewer.
    
    I have an assignation with a lady friend tonight.
    
    I am clean.
    
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    September 1, 2017 7:07pm
    - realityczech
      
      “I have an assignation with a lady friend tonight.
      
      I am clean”
      
      Creepy 🙂
      
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      September 1, 2017 7:11pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I love it when the sock puppets talk to each other. Punch and Judy has nothing on it.
        
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        September 1, 2017 7:16pm
- rangitoto
  
  Well I have never looked after your personal hygiene. So I am free from blame.
  
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  September 1, 2017 6:59pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    No but you can salute someone who has surmounted some of the chafing difficulties of personal hygiene. No politics without hygiene.
    
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    September 1, 2017 7:17pm
- realityczech
  
  What the hell are you on about JJ ?
  
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  September 1, 2017 7:07pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    It is a sort of divine fire, according to the prophets of the Bible.
    
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    September 1, 2017 7:20pm
- JasonJohns
  
  Really disappointed at all the petty minded peeps who can’t even congratulate a guy on something as non-political as looking after his personal hygiene. Man. Never mind. I know I’ve taken care of it.
  
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  September 1, 2017 7:53pm
GoVege

When we had our first baby, there was another new mum on the ward who couldn’t stop crying.
I asked her what was wrong and she said her husband refused to visit her and the baby, because he had wanted her to abort the pregnancy.
When I told Mr Govege he was in disbelief.
But at least the guy let her bring the baby home….unlike some jerks.
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September 1, 2017 6:54pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  I had a similar experience but once I saw the other women I quite understood why the guy was having regrets☺.
  
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  September 1, 2017 7:18pm
JasonJohns

Then went Samson to Gaza, and saw there an harlot, and went in unto her, expending himself righteously. Judges 16
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September 1, 2017 7:32pm
- realityczech
  
  It rubs the lotion on its skin it does this when ever its told
  
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  September 1, 2017 7:37pm
realityczech

Obama regime caught lying about climate change.

Following allegations of impropriety over the handling of a controversial climate change report, a government watchdog group now wants to know whether there was any collaboration between the report’s lead author and a key Obama adviser. On March 27, Judicial Watch filed a lawsuit seeking “all records of communications between a pair of federal scientists who heavily influenced the Obama administration’s climate change policy and its backing of the Paris Agreement.”

The FOIA specifically requests correspondence between Tom Karl, the former head of the climate-data program at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), and John Holdren, the director of Obama’s Office of Science and Technology Policy. Holdren is from that species of Baby Boomer global catastrophists who make changing predictions each decade about how we will all die. He also happens to be the science guy who had the president’s ear for eight years.

Holdren’s buddy, Tom Karl, authored a report in 2015 attempting to disprove the hiatus in global warming that had been widely acknowledged by many scientific groups, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The warming pause threatened to undermine the justification for a costly climate-change pact that was being negotiated at the time: How could world leaders commit trillions in tax dollars to stop global warming if it wasn’t actually happening?

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446505/judicial-watch-lawsuit-seeks-obama-white-house-records-controversial-global-warming
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September 1, 2017 7:50pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Holdren is a malthusian nutter. He is quoted:
  
  “Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.”
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:40pm
  - Jack5
    
    Recent population events show Malthus was on target, IMHO.
    
    Third World countries’ populations are expanding up to limits of food production that is being expanded by science any by extending agriculture into the jungles and swamps that once were the homes of wild species.
    
    Malthus didn’t foresee a moral failure in Europe that would allow hundreds of thousands of folk from the Third World to pour into the continent giving a short reprieve from the dire effects of reaching food limits. So the horror of exceeding Malthusian limits becomes a world wide problem.
    
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    September 1, 2017 9:33pm
    - realityczech
      
      If we do not limit population we are stuffed. Mucking around with CO2 emissions is a waste of time unless we address the population issue. Either we do it nicely, or nature will do it for us and that won’t be pretty.
      
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      September 1, 2017 9:51pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Increased prosperity is dampening global population growth. An unintended side-effect is the limitation of this planet’s most valuable resource: humans
      
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      September 1, 2017 10:02pm
      - realityczech
        
        Only in a few countries it is. Humans are just another life form, not a resource. So scuttle back to your grubby little bible.
        
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        September 1, 2017 10:22pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It is extraordinary to think that in my lifetime , the World population has increased from 2.7 billion to 7.4 billion, and for most countries, their populations have adequate nutrition.
      
      Africa is the only continent where the absolute number of undernourished people has increased over the past 30 years.
      
      As this article shows…. there is potential for Africa to become a net exporter of food
      https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/01/how-africa-can-feed-the-world/
      
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      September 1, 2017 10:19pm
      - Jack5
        
        True, Maggie, but the underlying land resource must come under pressure.
        
        When farms have wiped out the lands of rhinos, elephants, and giraffes, where to next?
        
        If the world population breeds up to just under the limit of sufficient food, what happens when something happens like a mini or micro Ice Age caused by Griff’s sun spots or a supervolcano going off?
        
        If the population has been surging with food output, that tends to support Malthus’s theory, doesn’t it? What disproves it is when world population dives because higher living standards cause birthrates to plummet.
        
        I wonder if that will ever happen. Or if it will happen before vast population surges out of Third World countries threaten the developed countries.
        
        In the article you point to, I see the authors are using Fonterra as a model for African farming.
        
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        September 1, 2017 11:24pm
JasonJohns

Into the bar in five minutes. I will pull tonight.

Btw everyone, if you are driving into Eketahuna tonight, take a good look at the traffic. A lot of those cars will be rolling on my rubber.
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September 1, 2017 7:51pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Bald and inflated with excrement?
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:07pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Oh… and it’s not ‘pulling’ when she’s a fucking relation!!
  
  #eke-problems
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:08pm
nasska

…..”I will pull tonight.”….

Probably, but the worst that’s likely to happen to you are blisters & a sprained wrist. 🙂
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September 1, 2017 8:10pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Vase and a wrist guard
  
  #eke-solutions
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:17pm
  - nasska
    
    Don’t worry AC…..he’s been pulling for so long & so hard his sperm are carbonated. 🙂
    
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    September 1, 2017 8:27pm
- JasonJohns
  
  LOL. I don’t muck around in the sack my friend – in, do the mission, out. Like the SAS. So you needn’t worry…
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:47pm
stigie

A father tells his son to stop jacking off. “You’ll go blind if you do that too much!” he says. The son says “uh, I’m over here Dad.”
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September 1, 2017 8:29pm
Jack5

Here we go …

Al Qaeda-linked Somalis seize African uranium mine with object of supplying Iran.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/31/al-qaeda-affiliate-mining-uranium-to-send-to-iran-somali-official-warns-us-ambassador.html
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September 1, 2017 8:38pm
- mikenmild
  
  You think the Iranians need another supplier when the Russians will sell them all they need?
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:44pm
- realityczech
  
  Israel is only the only rogue nuclear nation that is illegally occupying and attacking other countries in breach of international law. Iran has attacked no one in over 300 years. They live under constant threat from Israel.
  
  There is no country on earth that needs a nuclear deterent more than Iran.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:06pm
Jack5

How to spot a cannabis user?

They walk differently … elbows and knees swinging more than usual.

Rooted in the arms and legs as well as in the head?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/marijuana-smokers-walk-different-cannabis-weed-study-move-shoulders-less-elbows-knees-a7922546.html
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September 1, 2017 8:44pm
- mikenmild
  
  As opposed to the ‘legless’ alcohol user…
  
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  September 1, 2017 8:46pm
- realityczech
  
  Imagine the state of Griff as he flops and flaps his way around his doomsday compound.
  
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  September 1, 2017 9:08pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Pain free arthritis?
  
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  September 2, 2017 6:34am
JasonJohns

NZ has 2 parliaments – the one in Wellington and the Delta. Some amazing discussions here.

No sheilas tho.
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September 1, 2017 8:46pm
JasonJohns

Had a couple.

Energy’s coming.
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September 1, 2017 8:48pm
realityczech

Great new ad for Spark celebrating single mothers… for Fathers day.

Probably be made law if lipstick pig gets in.
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September 1, 2017 9:10pm
Jack5

Good on Whale Oil for running videos of animals that have been abused and saved.

Which brings to mind: what happened to the ISIL-supporting idiot who put on the web a video showing the cruelty of halal slaughter at an NZ meat works?

This two-legged mongrel was, of course, celebrating the cruelty rather than highlighting it to expose it.

When something rocks the boats of the export meat industry, the MSM seems happy to go along with the bureaucrats and quickly bury it.
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September 1, 2017 10:22pm
JasonJohns

I love women, I think they’re great
they’re a solace to the world in a terrible state
They’re a blessing to the eyes, a balm to soul
what a nightmare to have no women in the world

I love women
I love women
I love women
we all love women

I used to look at women in the magazines
I know that it was sexist, but I was in my teens
I was very bitter, all my sex was on the sly
I couldn’t keep my hands off women, and I won’t till I die

I love women
ah, I love women
we love women
we all love women

A woman’s love can lift you up, and women can inspire
I feel like buying flowers and hiring a celestial choir
A choir of castratis to serenade my love
they’d sing a little Bach for us and then we’d make love

I love women
I love women
We all love women
we love women
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September 1, 2017 10:27pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Jason
  
  They are temptresses.
  Get your Bible out and read Proverbs 7
  
  25 Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.
  
  26 For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.
  
  27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.
  
  Take a vow of Chastity now and save yourself.
  
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  September 1, 2017 10:38pm
Manolo

A much richer England, isn’t it?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4844772/African-migrant-smuggled-heavily-pregnant-wife-UK.html

An African migrant smuggled his heavily pregnant wife into the UK illegally then turned drug dealer as a means to support his family.
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September 2, 2017 6:03am
- GoVege
  
  NOT a good example, Manolo.
  The drugs were only wacky backy and he spent all the proceeds on his wife and baby, not wine women and song.
  He deserves a medal.
  
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  September 2, 2017 8:29pm
Steve (North Shore)

Busy busy busy. Now in Alaska. Might post some pic links when I get to it. Meanwhile the other day at Waikiki Beach I hade my drone out:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wprt94zqpa0vvwm/Waikiki%20Drone.mp4?dl=0
It’s 10.16am Friday here in Anchorage, off to the Alaska State Fair in Palmer
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