General Debate 15 September 2017

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krazykiwi

There is more honesty in a phone call from a distant Nigerian relative, than in a captain’s call from the leader of the Labour party.
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September 15, 2017 8:00am
starboard

Flip Flop..Flip Flop goes the Liarbor train wreck.
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September 15, 2017 8:00am
- kowtow
  
  Corin Dann siad “flip flop” in the mid day news yesterday , but by 6pm the memo must have come through and it was moderated to a kinder ‘ U turn’.
  
  I wonder who calls the shots there.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:24am
  - ztev
    
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    because he would have to say flip flop for national too for :
    paid parental leave
    child poverty
    enquiry into historical abuse of children in care
    
    On the good side, when it comes to fiscal holes, they keep digging that one.LOL
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:37am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      They needed Cullen to endorse Robertson ffs, can’t any of them vouch for themselves based on past performance?
      Have to say Jacinda has looked like the chick from that Communist clip during the odd debate.
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:43am
  - KevOB
    
    Jandalrella, Taxinda, Madam Che, Her ‘Igness, Former President Communist Youth something or other, Kelvins mouthpiece, Union Puppet, Not a Poppet…
    
    What is she not, not a PM.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:51am
    - Paulus
      
      The woman of New Zealand say that she will be the greatest Prime Minister of New Zealand.
      And am not sure they are not right about being the Prime Minister ?
      Greatest – that goes to Helen Clark her earth mother..
      
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      September 15, 2017 2:53pm
  - simo
    
    In most political environments a U Turn is a fatal blow to the party involved. However, one would think the Labour Party had just wiped some s**t off its shoe. Shows how much these reprobates hold the electorate in contempt. Show these ars*hole*s some contempt on the 23rd with two ticks blue!
    
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    September 15, 2017 11:03am
    - Piniwi
      
      Another electoral truism simo. It is in fact a flip-flop on an earlier flip-flop. The other truism is that changing leaders too close to an election is often fatal.
      Thankfully they panicked and made their move too soon giving plenty of time for Taxinda to rise up rapidly. It has given enough time for her to be exposed as only great for Labour for a short time and not a long time. Her “vision” she worked so hard to sell has been exposed as a mirage visible to her alone. It is not unusual for people who suffer from anxiety disorders to have visions. Pigs that fly and pink elephants are most common.
      Lets leave her with her visions and tick Two 4 Blue.
      
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      September 15, 2017 4:01pm
- simo
  
  The old proverbial jandals (FlipFlops) could be Liarbours mantra and fading symbol of any relevance, just like the sandal scene from Monty Pythons Life of Brian.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:25am
- Gabby
  
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  Ponyboy would never flipflop would he starfish. Little Bingles would never change tack. When he says he changed his mind, that highlights his consistency.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:45am
  - starboard
    
    Flip Flop..Flip Flop, liarbors been caught on the hop.
    
    Suck it up giblet…
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:15am
    - VicParking
      
      Who cares voted yesterday, so did my family ten ticks Blue
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:00am
      - GoVege
        
        Sorry Vic, your votes are cancelled out by the Goveges: 10 ticks red and green.
        And one very stubborn Vege: 2 ticks for Winnie.
        
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        September 15, 2017 11:10am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    On TV last night I saw Saint Cindy hugging a child.
    Child abuse alert!!! Sexual predator!!!
    It wasn’t the first time I’ve seen it.
    Serial child abuse!!! Serial sex offender!!!!
    
    Oh, its OK when ….
    
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    September 15, 2017 11:28am
    - sam green
      
      ….. someone who’s not a serial sex offender does it?
      
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      September 16, 2017 4:57am
duggledog

The venting about Bryan Bruce’s ‘documentaries’, their quality and cost is quite understandable. DPF questions why NZ On Air continues to fund Bruce, but this kind of misses the point.

The point is this.

NZ On Air documentaries don’t get funded unless a broadcaster makes an iron clad agreement to broadcast it first.

In this case, it’s TV3. That’s one thing, but TV3’s timing is also in question here.

So, who commissioned the documentary, and who programmed it? These are the shadowy figures that ought to be questioned, as they are clearly partisan. If one were pro- the incumbent, one would bury Bryan Bruce off peak in January.
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September 15, 2017 8:00am
- cmm
  
  What is the cost to TV3 of airing a BBC doco or whatever.
  
  Now what’s the cost to TV3 for airing a doco paid for by NZ On Air?
  
  That’s hardly going to lead to quality control.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:07am
  - kevn
    
    cmm… What we need (not) is a new TV channel. JA is keen to cough up though, only 38 mil.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:19am
- Muttonbird
  
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  Did you noticed how the Auckland housing market slowed immediately when the Chinese dictatorship restricted capital flow out of the country?
  
  Bryan Bruce is 100% correct and only the greedy and privileged have an issue with it.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:11am
  - cmm
    
    “only the greedy”. Greedy people take more than they have earned. They generate no value but demand the same rewards.
    
    “and the privileged” everyone in NZ is privileged.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:15am
    - ztev
      
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      Those who make a profession out of unrealised capital gains are more privileged than the rest…. not for much longer.
      
      The rise in house prices only has to stop by Xmas and a new labour government will claim victory
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:40am
      - All_on_Red
        
        It’s already stopped you ignorant Mong
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:52am
      - KevOB
        
        But when they discover that prices continue to fall and interest rates rise and mortgages are underwater and NZ’s borrowing ability is curtailed?
        An incoming amateur government will wish they had not got the job.
        
        Is any government able to isolate NZ from a GFC?
        It’s highly likely one is underway, now.
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:59am
      - Muttonbird
        
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        @All_on_Red
        
        Only because of Chinese government policy. Nothing to do with the Nats’ limp-wristed tinkering.
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:00am
      - cmm
        
        “Those who make a profession out of unrealised capital gains are more privileged than the rest”
        
        So let me understand your logic: someone works their arse off, builds up some assets then takes care of those assets and they make some gains – they are privileged.
        
        The people who do bugger all and piss away their income instead of saving it and investing it, but get the benefits of someone else’s efforts through CGT are not privileged.
        
        Maybe if I stare at it for a few more hours I will understand your wisdom.
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:02am
      - ztev
        
        CMM, a family member has around $.75 mill in shares but no property other than family home
        Should one type of assets be favoured over another?
        
        There are quite a big number of people with 20+ houses each, they should be paying taxes to compare with other investments
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:59am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        ‘There are quite a big number of people with 20+ houses’
        
        Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
        
        The vast number of people with rental housing have less than five with the greatest number being two and a greater number being one.
        
        I can substantiate my assertion, can you Z?
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:44am
      - thedavincimode
        
        CMM, a family member has around $.75 mill in shares but no property other than family home
        
        Care to explain why assets generating rental revenues and subject to market pricing variations should be discriminated against relative to assets generating dividend revenues and subject to market pricing variations? Or are you inferring that all capital gains should be taxed in order to broaden the tax base and lower tax rates generally?
        
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        September 15, 2017 12:22pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    More like when Banks stopped being so generous with their lending combined with LVR restrictions.
    Foreign buyers is a tiny percentage.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:38am
  - Inandout
    
    Profit is greed, profit leads to more greed, we must stop profit..so goes the left mantra.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:46am
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    Not having seen the documentary, I might be repeating points already made.
    
    For some years NZ has had very rapid population growth from various sources, not just China, including NZers returning from well-paid overseas jobs; land supply has not grown rapidly, particularly in immigrants’ principal destination city; part of NZ’s building industry has been diverted to Christchurch’s reconstruction; mortgage rates are low. Even if China did not exist, our house prices would have inflated.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:09am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I’ll tell you how ‘greedy and privileged’ I am. I worked long hours until my fifties, investing as best I could. I’m now too sick to work full time, but run a little home business. I have a small rental property, with excellent long term tenants.
    
    My net income is far lower than median income, but I manage and don’t ask for handouts.
    
    Labour wants to add a land tax to my rental and maybe to the ‘business’ part of my home. Labour wants to take cgt if I need to sell the rental or my home [home business cgt was their policy before] so that I would never be able to buy again in the same market.
    
    Maybe I’d then be able to apply under Labour for some relief to bring my income back up to minimum? Probably not, because the bureaucracy to administer all their taking and giving would use a huge chunk of the tax.
    
    Many Mum and Dad rental owners will be in a very similar situation.
    
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    September 15, 2017 12:41pm
duggledog

Here’s a nifty new campaign slogan for National:

‘You want the money or the bag New Zealand?’
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September 15, 2017 8:01am
Dave Stringer

Morning all
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September 15, 2017 8:02am
marquess

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The sun is shining, the birds are chirping, the mornings are warmer, and the Jacinderangement Syndrome is already on show.

Take a breath everyone, and relax a little. Getting yourselves worked up for no good reason isn’t good for your stress levels ?
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September 15, 2017 8:03am
- Simon
  
  Understand being left you want to be lead by a wise king. But Captains Call what a mong,
  
  At least if Princess is PM it will be entertaining.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:06am
  - pdm
    
    I have a question for you lefties:
    
    Who is running the cutter within Labour now?
    
    Comrade Taxcinda – I don’t think so – not now.
    Grunter Robertson – possible – but unlikely.
    The Unions – Yes – so nothings changed and Angry Andy will be back soon after the election.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:13am
    - starboard
      
      Dont forget Kelvin ” crim hugger” Davies.
      He’s all over the place like a mad woman’s shit.
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:21am
      - Inandout
        
        Ah, but he can speak Moddie better than Paula.
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:47am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        He is not on his own. There are too many judges who are as well. Should this qualify for Home D? If the sentence sexist?
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/96816861/inhome-porse-child-carer-shook-baby-twice-causing-possible-permanent-brain-injuries
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:01am
      - KKKKatee
        
        I made a comment yesterday about JA overmedicating herself so much so that she was all over the place like a blowfly all over a turd. Sam Green jumps on me calling me names and also suggests I’m a ‘paid shill’ when he disagrees with me which is almost every time. I thought I’d better tone it down so used the blowfly analogy so I’m rather surprised Sam Green (who I’ve suggested maybe Clarke Gayford in real life) hasn’t jumped on you starboard. Lucky you. But I really wanted to say what you’ve just said but thought I’d be slightly more ladylike instead. It seems that since the Christchurch debate where Jacinda took the gloves off and turned into a screaming shrew, she can’t poke that genie back in the bottle and that is her Achilles heel imo. Also, another point I’d like to trip her up on is at exactly which point she knew of Andrew Little’s resignation. She says she only knew an hour before. I’m suggesting she knew the evening before. As for her “relentlessly positive” campaign. Pfft!!! It’s turned into a campaign based on negative finger wagging, screeching and intimidation tactics, crocodile tears and flip flops. In other words she’s full of shit. Any minute ounce of credibility she may have had at the beginning of the campaign is all over rover. The ‘pretty little thing has lost the plot,
        
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        September 15, 2017 11:40am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Didn’t she say earlier this week that Little first talked about standing down about six weeks before he did? That makes a lie of both his and her comments at the time.
        
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        September 15, 2017 12:50pm
      - starboard
        
        Katee, don’t be too concerned with green sam, he’s just a silly wee boy playing in an adults world here on KB. Suggest you tell him to go play on the road at around 5.15pm.
        
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        September 15, 2017 4:40pm
      - calendar girl
        
        KKKatee, I may be wrong, but my understanding was that Ms Ardern said she learned only an hour earlier that she was to become Labour Leader. (As opposed to learning at that point of Andrew Little’s resignation.)
        
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        September 15, 2017 7:04pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      You also forgot someone else.
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:24am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Darth Vader?
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:28am
      - Victor Omega
        
        Oh, how could you. Pass the bleach.
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:30am
      - pdm
        
        Have you got one with her in a full hijab?
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:41am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Aaaaarrrrrrgggggh !
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:56am
      - starboard
        
        Geeeez..seen a better face on a cliff
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:18am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Parental warning required.
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:25am
      - Paulus
        
        Helen Clark old her after Little Andy went to Auckland to talk to Helen who told him to get lost in favour of Cinderella.
        It was not during the flight from Auckland that he made up his mind – she had already done it.
        
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        September 15, 2017 2:59pm
      - RF
        
        Must not look at the eyes…. Must not look at the eyes.
        
        Mother of god save us……..
        
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        September 15, 2017 4:42pm
      - PhilP
        
        OMG! it looks like one of the 3 Witches from Shakespeares McBeth……..on 2nd thought, it looks like all 3!!!
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:14pm
    - Gabby
      
      Surely there is no one among you who wants to see Jones come back?
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:52am
      - pdm
        
        Is that:
        
        Slow moving Jones
        Porn watching Jones
        Slack and lazy Jones
        The Jones whose leader Winston First told to get off his fat arse and campaign in Whangarei Jones
        
        by any chance?
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:09am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Entertaining…….. And embarrassing. ?
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:21am
  - KevOB
    
    Captain Che?
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:01am
- Rich Prick
  
  A Labour Party mong chimes in and reminds us to just suck their crap in. Must be a day ending in “y”.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:38am
  - marquess
    
    Love you too richy. Have a great day ?
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:04am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Leftie chicks are generally ugly, so please send your “love” over there —->
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:25am
      - sam green
        
        Great debate – up there with “poo you smell” .
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:33am
      - Gabby
        
        That’s your effect on ‘chicks’ pricky.
        
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        September 15, 2017 11:02am
- All_on_Red
  
  Too true Marquess
  Time for a laugh
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCt7T20N07U
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:44am
- srylands
  
  I see no such syndrome. I think she is a very pleasant person. My only concern is about the policies. On the really big issues they are really bad or unclear.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:46am
  - billmurray
    
    Balanced, well said.
    Pleasant and true.
    Well done.
    
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    September 15, 2017 12:01pm
Longknives

Greens and Labour seem to be competing to see who can tell the biggest lie!
Here’s James Shaw-
“When I was about 9, I asked the teacher if we could learn te reo Māori and I was scoffed at,” he said.”

Whatever Pal- That’s about as believable as ‘The People’s Princess’ shrieking that her beloved Grandfather was kicked off his Deathbed and sent out to fend off wolves by himself in the snow…(Conveniently less than two weeks before Election Day)

Why doesn’t the Media call them on these lies? Surely it would be easy enough to track down Shaw’s Racist Schoolteacher or some of the Heartless Beasts who work at Grandad’s Hospital??
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September 15, 2017 8:06am
- Happychappy
  
  Where’s Winston Peters and the Media if this had been Bill English or John Key before him it would be front page News and the left preaching he is not fit to be a Leader but no Like the obese teletubby they don’t want to say anything bad about the Greens until the heat gets to hot to handle.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  The media call them ?
  
  They’ve gone native on “te reo” .They are not independent , they too are agents of change.
  
  Shaw and his bunch of loons prove how dangerous they are with compulsory Maori in our schools , not that it’s any use to anyone but because it is good for us.
  
  Hi I’m from the gummint and you’re being forced.
  
  Next thing we’ll all have to “black up”. That would be fun.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:30am
- gump
  
  Waikato Hospital issued an apology for discharging her Grandad. What more do you want?
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11921987
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:55am
  - Prince
    
    Really, how is this an ‘apology’ ?
    “We are sorry that this experience has caused concern for the family and we would be happy to talk to them and look into the circumstances around this situation.”
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:01am
    - Gabby
      
      It’s more than the poor bloke sent home from Hastings Memorial with a blocked bowel got.
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:17am
- Gabby
  
  I have no problem believing one of his mums sent him off to school to ask that lungnuts, and ‘reminded’ him over the years how the mean teacher scoffed at him.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:56am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Neither can I, as if he didn’t have enough to deal with…in those days.
    Selfish parents putting themselves first.
    
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    September 15, 2017 5:05pm
- cmm
  
  Why the hell do people think everything should be taught through schools?
  
  I asked the teacher to teach us fly fishing, but they wouldn’t do that. And there are a hell of a lot more flyfishers in NZ than fluent Te Reo speakers.
  
  There are countless resources out there to learn everything from abseiling to xylophone playing. You don’t need to be spoonfed in a school.
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:22am
- KKKKatee
  
  But it appears Grandad hadn’t actually been admitted to hospital. Waikato is full to the brim at the mo and you’ve got to be pretty darned sick to be admitted. So what I’d like to know from the ‘transparent one’ is how did Grandad get there in the first place? And did they dump him off and go home because it was too long to wait with him to be seen? Sine things don’t add up here.
  
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  September 15, 2017 11:56am
MrTips

Just checked the method of CB. They don’t report undecideds. And haven’t done for ages. Fair enough.

And therein lies the answer, imo, which we will not know until polling day.
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September 15, 2017 8:06am
- Happychappy
  
  And if your over Fifty they say your not in the age group they need for the survey.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:23am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    I was contacted by an opinion pollster the other day, and they didn’t say that to me.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:40am
    - Gabby
      
      They were letting chappy down gently.
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:57am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Are you going to admit it was Reid Research?
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:58am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      Perhaps they made a judgment call based on the sound of your voice.
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:33am
- Muttonbird
  
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  A lot of those undecideds will be previous Nat voters waiting for more clarity on CGT. They have that now and will vote Labour because of the Nats appalling record on services, infrastructure, and immigration.
  
  This is the chance to steer NZ away from the cliff National is driving us over.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:23am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Here’s that ‘cliff’:
    
    New Zealand’s GDP per capita has grown for each and every year of National’s leadership despite GFC, two+ costly natural disasters.
    
    In contrast to this, since 1960 every Labour government had lead the country into recession.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:27am
    - Muttonbird
      
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      Only by allowing rich foreigners to buy residency. Productivity hasn’t moved.
      
      What has moved is homelessness, suicide, domestic violence, and congestion.
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:37am
      - krazykiwi
        
        You project envy, xenophobia, bitterness and hopelessness. What a toxic brew.
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:40am
      - Gabby
        
        Kraykray didn’t buy residency. A small consideration facilitated the processing of an application that was in all ways exemplary and concealed nothing, nothing I tell you.
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:02am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Are you a homeowner? Are you a good tenant if not?
        I feel sorry for that Christchurch lady who is homeless and whose baby died in the earthquake but she herself admits that she didn’t pay her rent and caused damage to the property and does not have care of her other children, what does she expect?
        
        It would seem to me that those things are not all since the earthquake.
        By all means buy a house for her to tenant since you care so much.
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:54am
    - ztev
      
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      But even those numbers are only
      6% rise per capita since 2007
      
      6% rise in GDP per capita in 10 years , whats gone wong?
      
      Thats why labours ahead, that miserly 6% over 10 years has mostly gone to the top 20%
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:46am
      - krazykiwi
        
        6% rise in GDP per capita in 10 years , whats gone wong? (sic)
        
        It’s all good. Nothing has gone wrong. For wrong, we just have to await a Labour-led government after which time we will, as usual, head into a recession… with the resulting destruction of private wealth, loss of jobs, and general misery that we’ve come to expect from you socialists.
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:57am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Muttonhead doesn’t know shit from chewed dates. Hasn’t got a bloody clue.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:30am
    - Gabby
      
      Donkey wee made that mistake. He now knows dates taste nicer.
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:05am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Whereas you still lck poo.
        How’s the coprophagia diet going, Gabster?
        
        You talk so much shit, you need to keep licking.
        
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        September 15, 2017 2:27pm
- Ross12
  
  Mr Tips –that is a good find, but what do Reid do with undecideds?
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:07am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I know what Labour does to the undecideds: They are brutally threatened with vision and transparency.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:59am
  - rangitoto
    
    I’m always in the refused to answer bucket. Is that added to undecideds? If a commercial organisation want to know my opinion they will have to pay.
    
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    September 15, 2017 11:14am
Sarkozygroupie

Speaking of spending other people’s money. And watch him try to slither out of it like a rat up a drainpipe.

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/88891478/deputy-nz-first-leader-ron-mark-patron-of-failed-te-awa-o-te-ora-trust
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September 15, 2017 8:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Nepotism.
  
  No politician should be a patron/trustee of a tax-payer funded organization led by a close relative.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:17am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    There must be some rules around conflicts of interest or something?
    
    Any lawyers out there that can enlighten us?
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:30am
    - kowtow
      
      Rules are only to keep us plebs in order, for the others , not so much.
      
      “An Independent Police Conduct Authority (IPCA) investigation that revealed multiple shortcomings in a police investigation of alleged poaching by two police officers has been severely criticised by those who complained about the case.”
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/central-otago/ipca-report-greeted-disbelief
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:33am
  - Swifty
    
    Asking for trouble.
    
    I see that the trust chair, the supposed ‘bully’, is also the NZ First Wigram electorate chair.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:46am
  - Gabby
    
    Or politician’s spouse.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:05am
Rich Prick

Can anyone tell me what Labour’s tax policy is today?
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September 15, 2017 8:09am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I’ll get back to you . . . .
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:18am
  - KKKKatee
    
    But it appears Grandad hadn’t actually been admitted to hospital. Waikato is full to the brim at the mo and you’ve got to be pretty darned sick to be admitted. So what I’d like to know from the ‘transparent one’ is how did Grandad get there in the first place? And did they dump him off and go home because it was too long to wait with him to be seen? Sine things don’t add up here.
    
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    September 15, 2017 11:58am
    - sam green
      
      You said that earlier – did you forget your meds?
      
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      September 16, 2017 5:04am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I’m less worried about their tax policy than I am about their industrial relations policy.
  They have slid this one under the door and nobody, not even National, is calling them out on it.
  Back to the 1950s folks. Collective bargaining, industry-wide awards, and the unions back in control.
  
  TWO TICKS BLUE, or we’re all fucked.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:21am
  - Muttonbird
    
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    Wages have to be lifted. A bit of pressure on subsidised businesses might force them to stand on their own two feet and become more productive.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:26am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      So Muttonhead, tell us all about these subsidised businesses.
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:32am
      - Muttonbird
        
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        Subsidised by cheap imported labour.
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:38am
    - Swifty
      
      What businesses do you own, how many staff do you have and how much do you pay them?
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:43am
    - flipper
      
      Heh muttonhead….
      
      Have you checked out the minimum wage rates payable in US States and also the Federally mandated minimum?
      Moreover bird droppings for a brain, what happened in Washington State this year after their unilaterally imposed wage increase?
      And check out OECD min wages.
      
      You are proposing a load of guano!
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:08am
    - Digmen1
      
      Our wages are higher than the USA,k Canada, Chile, Argentina and China (who make the stuff we buy and who our food manufacturers need to sell to)
      
      Its our rent and groceries, and consumer goods that are priced too high.
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:58am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      So, how’s the Australian Car Building industry going these days??
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:13am
  - PJ39
    
    Couldn’t agree more. It will destroy a lot of business, reduce the tax take, increase unemployment and the ever reducing productive people will be expected to pay up.
    
    A nightmare that is not been given enough exposure.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:29am
  - ztev
    
    bend over Captain
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:51am
    - KevOB
      
      Her ‘Ighness Captain Che for the bends.
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:13am
  - tf78
    
    If we did a Martin/Martyn Bradbury we could do 4 ticks blue!
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:09am
  - Gabby
    
    TULIXPU or we’rrrrre DOOOOOOMED.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:13am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Shitlicker. MEDIC!
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:02am
      - Gabby
        
        Ballbag, RAZOR!
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:59am
    - fr8traindigital
      
      Consistently nasty piece of work you are!
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:12am
    - rangitoto
      
      SHETAXU
      
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      September 15, 2017 11:17am
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:13am
    - KevOB
      
      MuttonbirdMuttonbird
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:15am
  - RalphT
    
    Captain, I’ll be doing two ticks blue but I fear that despite our joint endeavours the country will still be fucked come 24 September
    
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    September 15, 2017 10:36am
    - RF
      
      Yes. The media are doing their very best to screw this country.
      
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      September 15, 2017 4:53pm
- starboard
  
  We know it’s not transparent…
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:23am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Our tax-group hasn’t convened this early in the morning.
  Wait ’til after smoko.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:26am
  - RF
    
    I hear that they are still looking for a virgin to sacrifice. A rare commodity these days.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:06am
    - holysheet
      
      Come the election, Cindy will be the sacrificial virgin. After all, if you feel like being a murri then you are one, then Cindy can feel like a virgin and be one.
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:14am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The virgin is not such an issue, finding three wise men in the labour party is the problem . . . . .
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:57am
- krazykiwi
  
  Animals are being sacrificed, secret murmurings are being intoned around an ancient fire, and chicken bones are being thrown. Be patient my son.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:36am
- VicParking
  
  Tip youupside down and shake you. Pick up all the money that falls out and give to public servants. If there is to much money get more public servants
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:44am
- Inandout
  
  Robbo chided Garner for not calling their water tax ‘royalties’, because Newspeak starts with Labour. I wouldn’t trust Robertson with a dollar of my money, he is a financial ignoramus.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:53am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    At a campaign meeting in Hawera last week the Labour candidate for Whanganui started talking about water “royalties”. There was a groan from the audience, and a voice a couple of rows behind me called out “Call it a bloody tax, like it is”.
    
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    September 15, 2017 12:54pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Surely you are not calling Dr. Cullen a liar?
    
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    September 15, 2017 5:17pm
- Gabby
  
  They drew your name from the hat pricky. You’re paying the lot.
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:11am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Same as tomorrow
  
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  September 15, 2017 1:45pm
dime

Dime was out last night and didnt catch the finance debate. in saying that, id rather masturbate with a cheese grater than watch joyce v GR.

Anyway, the headline is something about joyce defending against GR saying national imposed 18 new taxes…

just curious…

did joyce at any point say – “well grant, lets for one moment say that we imposed 18 new taxes, my question to you then is – isnt that enough?? how many more taxes do you think NZ needs?”

Grant wants to turn nationals rape into a homicide!
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September 15, 2017 8:09am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Apparently Labour is not going to increase income tax. They’re just going to change the law so that income tax will be higher than if they left the law as it is now.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:21am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Robbo says Liarbor are not bringing a water tax, it is most definitely a royalty on water.
    
    Semantics – still paying!
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:27am
    - Inandout
      
      The term ‘royalty’ is more easily slipped into Treaty legislation.
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:55am
    - marcw
      
      So that would be the same as that petrol “royalty” then.
      
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      September 15, 2017 11:40am
  - Gabby
    
    That would be the law that hasn’t come into effect.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:21am
- MCos
  
  One thing’s for sure, Dime, no right wing political party that I’ve ever heard of admits to having increased taxes.
  On that basis don’t expect to be offered a job as spokesperson for the National Party any time soon before a severe dose of reeducation.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:38am
  - dime
    
    yeah i dont think Dime would suit a major party somehow!
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:46am
- Gabby
  
  dim’s gettin onanistic
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:20am
  - GoVege
    
    I can just visualise him with that cheese grater….
    
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    September 15, 2017 12:14pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Meat with no veg?
      
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      September 15, 2017 5:21pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    that’s a big word for a 9 year old.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:14pm
flipper

Would Robertson or one his/jacindageddon’s shills (like those at Stuff et al), care to explain how a promise (policy announcement repeated ad naus) to eliminate already legislated tax cuts does NOT amount to a TAX INCREASE?

This was more than a Budget promise : it was PASSED INTO LAW before the House rose.

Let us have some honesty here!
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September 15, 2017 8:12am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Dead right Flipper; here’s the vote, as recorded in Hansard:
  
  A party vote was called for on the question, That the Taxation (Budget Measures: Family Incomes Package) Bill be now read a third time.
  
  Ayes 86
  
  New Zealand National 58; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 12; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.
  
  Noes 31
  
  New Zealand Labour 31.
  
  Bill read a third time.
  
  The House adjourned at 3.21 p.m. (Friday)
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20170525_20170526_12
  
  Note that Labour was the only party to vote AGAINST the legislation that will put more money in the pockets of most New Zealanders from 1 April 2018.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:24am
  - Muttonbird
    
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    Especially already wealth New Zealanders. $400m extra for the top 10%. That’s the bit which annoys most people.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:29am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Envy’s a bitch eh Muttonbrain. Why not put that anger into starting your own business.
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:33am
      - Muttonbird
        
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        Haha. Like you’ve worked a day in your life.
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:39am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Worked hard all my life.
        You’d love my life MB. ?
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:44am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        waikatogirl makes a fair point Muttonbird. Have you ever sunk your own money into a business so you could employ people and put food on their tables? Or have you spent your life working for “the man” and resenting every minute of it.
        
        If SWMBO and I had not decided to set up our own business 14 years ago, we’d have far more cash in the bank now than we currently have. We’d have far less stress too, and we wouldn’t be working 70 hours on a quiet week.
        
        And we wouldn’t have to be worried at the prospect of a Labour government imposing a Capital Gains Tax that would penalise us for building up not one, but seven companies from scratch, if we ever decided to sell.
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:51am
      - sam green
        
        You’d love mine Waikatogirl. Mrs green and I are holidaying in Tuscany at present. She runs a hugely successful business which we sunk our own money into, we run a small horticultural holding which we sunk our money into and which provides consistent seasonal employment for people, we have rental property and I manage a small NGO. We work hard and earn well and play hard. Bit rich to assume that everyone who thinks the world could be a better place for all can’t get out of bed. What’s all this wank about envy?
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:02am
      - Muttonbird
        
        Keeping Stock. Are you saying people start businesses in order to put food on other people’s tables?
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:04am
      - waikatogirl
        
        samgreen, Hubby and I have sunk money into a business.
        Some take their chances, others whinge from the sideline… ask MB what his problem is with envy. ?
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:14am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Good for you Sam. Success is something to celebrate, and if Tuscany is the place you choose to celebrate, all power to you 😎
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:28am
      - sam green
        
        I never made the assumption that mb was envious – that’s an outdated gnat meme that deserves to be put to sleep.
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:34am
      - Jack5
        
        Sam Green says he’s posting from Tuscany, which would make him posting about midnight, which is about the time he posts from NZ.
        
        Here’s Sam’s situation: His wife’s an entrepreneur running the couple’s “hugely successful” business, they have small horticulture holding (Sam’s talked of kiwifruit growing in the past), and Sam manages a small NGO – a non-government, not-for-profit business. The kiwifruit picking season may have just ended in Sam’s area, so he’s on holiday in Tuscany.
        
        Sam, you’re not Sam Judd, the widely travelled ex lawyer who co-founded Sustainable Coastlines, are you?
        
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        September 15, 2017 11:03am
      - sam green
        
        Not even close so still no cigar Jack5 – Please get some friends of your own and stop this peculiar obsession with me. I don’t want to play with you – you’re a bit strange and you tell on people all the time.
        
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        September 16, 2017 5:08am
    - Swifty
      
      So you’ll be campaigning for a flat tax system then?
      
      Thought not.
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:41am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Those Rich Pricks eh Muttonbird. Unfortunately for Labour’s narrative, the tax cut they get is the same in dollar terms as someone on $52,ooo pa, who is definitely not in the “top 10%” that Labour bangs on about.
      
      Of course, if you take it in percentage terms, the bgloke on $52k is getting to keep a much greater percentage of his before-tax income than the Rich Pricks you, Grant Robertson and Michael Cullen so despise.
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:41am
      - VicParking
        
        The difference is that those on $52k get a $1000 tax decrease. Those “Rick Pricks” pay $52000 in tax
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:49am
      - Piniwi
        
        KS. It is interesting to note that the tax changes from Budget 2017 (Bill English’s masterstroke 11) was targeted at low and middle income earners. No change for the big earners. A sort of leftie friendly option which eliminated ANY claim of a rich pricks tax cut.
        Even with this tax cut locked in by law Robbo insists there will be no INCREASE in income tax. Having learnt arithmetic by rort we know that he is lying. If you get a reduction of $1060 with a lower tax rate it is your pocket. Cancel that tax reduction means it will be in Robbo’s pocket. Pretty basic.
        Also some students with even tax free loans are doubly pissed off with Labour. While those they might compete with down stream for jobs get their free ride. They on the other hand loose $1060 every year that could help pay off their loan. There it is again the law of unintended consequences. The song “Some girls do and some girls don’t” springs to mind.
        Thanks to the power of suggestion while humming that little tune rush in an tick Two 4 Blue you wonderful person you.
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:43pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Nope. It’s your naked envy that annoys most people.
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:42am
      - GoVege
        
        So-called “envy” on the part of the less wealthy in reality is just GREED on the part of the wealthy.
        They love their money so much, they assume everyone else has the same fixation.
        
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        September 15, 2017 12:20pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Doesn’t annoy me and I am just one.
      
      What is wrong with getting a refund for an overpayment while contributing more to those who pay no nett tax?
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:51am
    - KevOB
      
      The richer ones are those mostly paying tax in this country. I’m a pensioner raising a family–do you think I pay a net tax contribution? I even get family tax credits, accomodation supplement and invalidity benefits. The amounts are relatively generous considering the budget. We cannot expect the taxpayers to support the non-working community Rolls Royce style.
      
      Be very pleased we have taxpayers. Previously many went overseas and they are feeling twitchy again. Government is about the possible not the the wishful. Taxes at present are borderline tolerable and internationally roughly comparable. Corporate tax is only 28% and distributions from companies get that credited back to the individuals. We have arrived at a finely tuned tax system which provides efficient collection. That could be ruined in a few months by an amateur government or union takeover,
      
      Expect revolt if the legislated budget changes are revoked.
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:33am
      - Digmen1
        
        Well said.
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:01am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        We are too polite, it is the rabble that demonstrate.
        I expect Jacinda to take a pay cut, it can go straight to the homeless.
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:40am
      - Piniwi
        
        One Kev to another and you put that so well and economically you can handle your cash and brevity of word too.
        Living offshore on a tax free pension it is a veritable fortune compared to many near and far here. It has seen it being even more beneficial as the exchange it sees it boosted by the equivalent of NZ$100 every 4 weeks.
        Being away does not mean being less concerned for what is happening at “home”.
        The Prime Minister and the Finance Minister have stated categorically that NO NEW TAXES are required. They have illustrated that by REDUCING income taxation to kick in on April Fool’s Day 2018. Not because they feel foolish but they feel compelled to get tax rates DOWN to share the economic gains out to everybody.
        IMO they are even looking at other ways in which the tax burden can be minimised for wage and salary earners. This is what is keeping Judith Collins so busy utilising her considerable understanding taxes and loving it. We know her for her ability in the house but her expertise is being maximised in her own speciality as an individual and her ministerial position. We are getting and will get great value for her time on this task.
        The difference between forecast surplus and actual surplus was huge and is a fair indication that the Government has room to review tax rates. The devil is in the details but it might yet pave the way for Steven Joyce to bring us his first master stroke economical moment. Don’t be swayed by his ready smile as he is just a happy guy doing something he is well capable of doing.
        NZ is in a unique position of leading the OECD out of GFC and building a strong vigorous economy to the envy of other countries. IMO it is a performance that will be added to future lessons of economics learning.
        Suspect there will be even bigger revolts than you allude to if Labour again fail to fire at the poll on 23rd. So what new they are doing their level best to cripple our country.
        Bring it on faster by ticking Two 4 Blue while dreaming of where your tax savings will be spent.
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:25pm
  - pdm
    
    And we know the hypocritical Greens (if in Parliament) who supported the budget tax cut legislation will run with Labour on this one too.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:31am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Just reading Grant Robertson’s speech from the Hansard link above, and I am sure the irony of this comment will not be lost on many here:
    
    The other five-sevenths, $1.9 billion next year, is in tax cuts. These are tax cuts that are not about inflation adjustment, and they are not about so-called bracket creep. They are a straight out election-year bribe—$1.9 billion of unfocused, irresponsible tax cuts.
    
    Robertson’s Wikipedia profile reveals this:
    
    Robertson returned to New Zealand during the first term of the Fifth Labour Government to work as a Ministerial advisor to Minister for the Environment Marian Hobbs and later Prime Minister Helen Clark. During his time in Clark’s office, Robertson was rumoured to have the nickname “H3” during the 2005 general election (H1 being Clark, and H2 being Clark’s Chief of Staff Heather Simpson).[8]
    
    As a senior staff member in Helen Clark’s office, Robertson would have been very close to the action when Labour promised interest-free student loans at the 11th hour and 50th minute to narrowly win the 2005 election. I guess he knows more about straight-out election year bribes than most 😎
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:38am
    - ztev
      
      You are naughtly- highlighting Chris Bishops skills as a Wikipedia moonlighter
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:58am
      - Prince
        
        You really are obsessed with Bishop aren’t you.
        How it must ache to know your electorate is about to vote him in with the sort of mandate you could only imagine.
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:08am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        No one does hatred quite like a bitter and twisted leftie Prince.
        
        But by whatever standard one applies, ztev’s obsession with bringing Bishop down (which, by the way, is shared by Trevor Mallard) is extreme, and he should seek professional help.
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:31am
      - ztev
        
        Professional help ?
        Not needed as the voters will be doing all the helping next sat
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:09am
    - Piniwi
      
      OMG KS. Marian Hobbs another of Labours sisterhood from the past. Ex teacher and now fallen angel. Poor little bugger having to watch that on a daily basis. Reminds me of the last hostess on my last ever Air NZ flight. A native naturally who had to move through the plane sideways. Laughing at the window seat as the pilot adjusted flaps and revs every time she went forward, sideways.
      No objection if Robbo thinks this is an election bribe. Fair go it was from an estimated surplus that could have been worse instead better just as easily. An election gamble perhaps since as we have seen the sheeple can not see that far ahead or the extra money in their pocket.
      “$1.9 billion of unfocused, irresponsible tax cuts.” I wonder if the 1.3 million Kiwi’s see it as the same? Particularly since it targeted those in need most. He’s a gem the little poofter. His legacy has already been printed in his little RED book. He wrote in a massive $11.7 billion hole and then when Taxinda did her flip-flop he got stuck with announcing it turned into a fairy story. How big will that hole be?
      In fact it was Bill English’s second master stroke while some acknowledgment of the effort of those who made it happen.
      National care about you too so tick Two 4 Blue to get your share of the goods times.
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:50pm
  - Maxx
    
    Whats the likelihood of Winston First voting to repeal this as superannuitants won’t get their increase. They’re his bread and butter.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:44am
    - ztev
      
      Confidence and supply locks them in.
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:58am
      - Maxx
        
        As I understand it confidence and supply requires the parties set out an agreement ahead of time and usually requires consultation on budgetary matters. Which means that Winston First will have to agree with Labour “Its all about me” on what the legislation would look like.
        
        And I believe they could still abstain from voting on the matter, they just couldn’t vote against it.
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:38am
  - ztev
    
    Not so .
    Stuff looked at 5 NZ families
    Only those 2 with incomes greater than $100k pa would get more under national
    
    The others even those on $65k would get more in their pocket under labour
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96830228/how-national-and-labours-plans-would-affect-five-kiwi-families
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:56am
    - Prince
      
      Stuff dreamed up 5 families and made sure that, for 3 of them, Labour’s increased benefit payments exceeded National’s reduced taxes.
      What about those without families, or those who would prefer to take their futures into their own hands rather than rely on auntie Ardern and uncle Robertson for their income ?
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:10am
      - Maxx
        
        What about the families with no kids? Or individuals? Or superannuitants? Or the family with two full time working parents both on $50-60k?
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:42am
      - ztev
        
        Tissues or hankys ?
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:10am
      - Prince
        
        Exactly. Suck it up people. The media don’t care about you.
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:45am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Are you including the extra debt that each of those families would be accruing as NZ citizens under a labour spending frenzy, and with GDP growth killed dead?
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:20pm
- Prince
  
  Don’t look to today’s Dompost editorial for honesty. They have gone full-out pro-Labour now, with this bullshit…
  “Joyce’s argument that Labour has only postponed two taxes from the list – a capital gains tax and a land tax – and left five in place reeks of sophistry. A reversal of future income tax cuts legislated by National is not the same as an increase in tax and it is intellectually dishonest of National to keep saying so. “
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:28am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I have it on good authority that if Labour’s TWG recommends a Capital Gains Tax, Labour would pass legislation in its first term, but it would not come into force until after the 2020 election.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:43am
    - ztev
      
      An increase in the bright line – just as English did- will come much earlier
      
      A winding back of the rental negative gearing will come much earlier- much like English did with the scrapping of building depreciation- a big rort.
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:01am
      - Prince
        
        Shh. Don’t tell everyone. Remember the new Labour motto…”We can tax this, quietly”.
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:42am
    - Piniwi
      
      Ah KS you too heard what the poofter said when he made the announcement of the tax flip flop. It has as many holes in it as his little RED book shows in his “vision”.
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:58pm
  - flipper
    
    The only intellectual dishonesty is by the F/wits at the Dumbpost who wrote or approved that garbage.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:54am
- Muttonbird
  
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  If the Nats wanted to frame Labour’s sensible policy as a tax increase they should have made the legislation effective immediately.
  
  They dropped the ball there!
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:31am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    How much tax do you pay, muttonshit?
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:36am
    - MCos
      
      Probably more than Donald Trump
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:58am
      - MCos
        
        Can’t make jokes about Saint Donald on this forum.
        
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        September 15, 2017 11:07am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Actually, Trump paid taxes in the many millions.
        
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        September 15, 2017 2:37pm
    - Gabby
      
      Does muttonshit taste like dates donkey wee?
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:29am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        You should know – you’re the poo licker.
        
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        September 15, 2017 2:36pm
      - Gabby
        
        And yet you’re banging on about it donkey wee.
        
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        September 15, 2017 7:16pm
  - ztev
    
    Muttonbird is right- John Key would have made the tax rates change …about the 1st Sept… hahahaha
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:02am
    - Prince
      
      Have to agree with you there.
      But I can’t let that stand, so, just to rile you…
      Bishop,
      Bishop
      Bishop.
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:13am
      - mikenmild
        
        Please stop. I’ll even vote for him if he’ll promise to stop bothering the kids outside Queensgate.
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:49am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        I’ll even vote for him if he’ll promise to stop bothering the kids outside Queensgate.
        
        You start first Mikey.
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:09am
    - ztev
      
      Bishop even made an appearnace on TV news the other night- as wallpaper for Bill.
      But instead of looking alert and eager, he looked like one of those contestants on the Chase who got the easy question wrong.
      The strain of defeat is always seen in the minions first.
      Bill is looking happiest in a long time – it will soon be all behind him, all boxes ticked, its time for a bucket list
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:15am
      - Prince
        
        Can’t be as bad as Annette King yesterday.
        Despite the nods and murmured agreement, her face showed the strains of seeing Labour’s internal polling spelling out defeat, or worse, going into Government with Winston First.
        
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        September 15, 2017 11:52am
  - KevOB
    
    You’re looking at a 6 month minimum for practical implementation in tax or welfare changes. The more computers the longer it takes. The multiplicity of systems and agents don’t communicate easily. It’s only computer salespeople who expound that.
    
    National, being experienced–not amateur, doesn’t promise what it cannot do.
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:49am
    - sam green
      
      And it can’t do what it did promise – so …..
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:49am
    - Gabby
      
      Tulixpu
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:54am
      - rangitoto
        
        Shetaxu
        
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        September 15, 2017 11:24am
- MCos
  
  Committing a future administration to changes such as this based on political philosophy is a smart move by National.
  To cancel the tax reduction will, presumably, require another law to be passed giving the Opposition a platform to kick up a fuss.
  Labour did something similar with the Nuclear Free legislation except that was even more effective and has tied the hands of various governments ever since who don’t dare attempt to recind that law.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:52am
  - ztev
    
    national cancelled its own election tax cuts in 2009 after passing the laws for them in Dec 2008
    
    Dont you remember all this keeping stock- you were in the front row.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:04am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Yeah, I do ztev. I also remember how badly the economy had tanked between the 2008 Prefu, and the briefings to incoming Ministers after the election. Things were going downhill fast, and cancelling the tax cuts was a prudent decision by Key and English.
      
      As it was, we’ve had to endure ad nauseum bellyaching from the likes of you and your Labour mates about how much National had to borrow to keep New Zealand afloat.
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:45am
      - ztev
        
        Borrowing to keep NZ afloat… fair enough, thanks to labours prudence in earlier years the credit score was spectacular.
        Remember however during those years of golden harvest paying down debt and storing money in the Cullen fund Key was saying NZ should be borrowing more – well before the GFC.
        And the golden harvest now, how much is being stored away ? Thats right borrowing this year is near to another $7 bill .
        
        Thats right during years of plenty National is not paying down the debt, but pushing it ever higher.
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:21am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        “…..thanks to labours prudence in earlier years the credit score was spectacular.”
        
        BWAHAHAH. What a load of dung.
        
        The deficit they piled up was even more spectacular – and that after several years of record surplusses.
        
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        September 15, 2017 2:43pm
      - Paulus
        
        Which Finance Minister told Treasury in the PREFU to leave out the ACC deficit of $2,000,000,000.
        It took 5 years to cover that to a balance hence now finally our reduction of our Motor Licence.
        
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        September 15, 2017 3:11pm
duggledog

Dime

Kiwis just can’t get enough of tax and regulation. And as if we didn’t have enough already, about 50% of the population want even more!

You can’t help them. Long term it’s as simple as this, more foreign ownership, more foreigners, more debt, less control.
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September 15, 2017 8:14am
- dime
  
  it cracks me up.
  
  what kind of a miserable prick wants tax increases?
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:20am
  - MCos
    
    Bill English, as you pointed out earlier.
    
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    September 15, 2017 11:10am
    - dime
      
      mcos – was thinking more along the lines of your everyday voter who wants increases. not politicians.
      
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      September 15, 2017 12:01pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  But remember, 50% of the population get more back in benefits than they pay in tax – so why shouldn’t they vote for more?
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:24am
  - dime
    
    ethics?
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:47am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, you’re right.
      
      They are thick.
      
      ethics is such a quaint concept from Ancient Greece. Boring old white male stuff.
      
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      September 15, 2017 8:54am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    and despite raising three children and working three jobs, I have NEVER been one of those who get more in benefits than I pay in tax, and I know this because I have NEVER claimed any form of benefit. What is my reward for all this hard work and societal responsibility, to function as an ATM for the Labour Party, only they refused to tell me how they plan to go about it.
    
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    September 15, 2017 10:20am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Correct RoW.
      My situation was also the same – never even took an unemplyment benefit back in the late ’70’s due to being out of work. That’s why I uplifted my young family and went to Oz.
      The only money I get from the Govt. is my old age pension .
      
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      September 15, 2017 2:46pm
  - GoVege
    
    That’s only for a short time, Don, while the kids are young.
    It was a lifesaver for us when Helen brought in WFF and accommodation supplement.
    But the kids are grown up now and making 50 to 150gs each and paying heaps of tax I’m sure.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:31pm
oldpark

Lie-bour/Green Party so called flip flop,on CGT.
N othing much has changed. There is still a threatened Water Tax, Fuel Tax, Fart Tax (on poor old farm livestock,or animals) A canceling of the $80 Per fortnight for couples on wages,as well as thecanceling of $26 per fortnight for pensioners and superannuands.Also lie-bour joined at the hip Green party their MOU running mates havnt’flip flopped on any of their CGT threats.
The Greens as a condition of a coalition agreement could insist that CGT by lie-bour is enforced. What a great excuse by Lie-bour for another flip flop.
Once more their SMOGASBOARD of secret taxes would be activated. Not forgetting the hated inheritance tax (Dead Granny Tax) to be brought in. That tax was one of the main reasons that Helen Clark Lie-bour tactician told Miss Ardern to flip flop on CGT,until further notice.
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September 15, 2017 8:16am
- starboard
  
  ” royality”..its a water ” royality” not a tax according to the big fat gay one on the am show this morn.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:25am
  - Inandout
    
    Royalty: ‘a compensation or portion of the proceeds paid to the owner of a right’. Robertson is already setting up Maori compensation, the slippery prick.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:01am
  - Chris R
    
    If, as Jacinda suggests it is a “royalty” payment as opposed to a “water tax” then it will be a cost of doing business and hence 100% tax deductible. There’ll therefore never be any funds to clean-up rivers or their dirty minds. Labour are too stupid and too devious to work this out.The only thing easy about Labour is that they’re easy to detest.
    
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    September 15, 2017 1:17pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Starboard. Lets get it right. To you a tax and to Labour a royalty but to the tanifar it means more moola eh bro.
    
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    September 15, 2017 11:13pm
Keeping Stock

Superb cartoon from Rod Emmerson in the Herald today of Gymnast Jacinda’s back-flip. I score her 8/10 for artistic impression, but zero for political nous.

https://twitter.com/rodemmerson/status/908403132085936130
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September 15, 2017 8:18am
Prince

A glorious Morning Comrades.
8 days to go. 8 days to remind workers that a Left Government will mean no adjustment to tax brackets for 9 years by 2020 (shame on you, National).
8 days to remind the women in Gisborne packhouses that a $3.75 increase in the minimum wage hourly rate represents over 3% per annum since April 2008.
Over the same period, CPI has risen 1.8% per annum.

That’s a net increase of 1.2% in your disposable income. Stop whining.
Only National is (belatedly) adjusting the tax brackets to give you more in your pocket through working, not just more benefit payments.
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September 15, 2017 8:21am
- Maxx
  
  Didn’t you hear that talking about politics at work may unduly influence lesser minded individuals and that’s not fair!
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:40am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    And it is not acceptable to run commentary that is contrary to the Union PR machine.
    
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    September 15, 2017 11:35am
- ztev
  
  What national gives with one hand it takes with the other
  Expect higher petrol taxes, above the CPI increase they get anyway.
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:27am
  - Prince
    
    It’s only Labour who are promising petrol tax increases – oh sorry, regional royalty imposition.
    
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    September 15, 2017 10:40am
MCos

Interesting piece of news that’s finally come to light after two years of digging; rather conveniently a week out from an election when nobody is paying particular attention.

Saudi sheep deal: No MFAT legal advice on lawsuit risk
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/339438/saudi-sheep-deal-no-mfat-legal-advice-on-lawsuit-risk
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September 15, 2017 8:23am
- flipper
  
  But who gives a shit!
  It is just like Barclay, and now Yang: a media and beltway issue. The great unwashed have bigger things to worry about – like new taxes and tax increases!
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:45am
  - gump
    
    Murray McCully gave away over $10 million of your money without even bothering to get legal advice. And then he lied about it.
    
    Why won’t you hold National Ministers to the same standards you demand from other parties?
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:01am
  - MCos
    
    That would be right.
    What’s a little corruption here and there if it doesn’t effect me?
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:08am
  - Gabby
    
    Donkey wee tastes dates frigger.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:54am
  - aitkenmike
    
    Really? Who cares about an 11 million dollar bribe to a foreign national, and a minister caught lying about non-existent advice to try and make it go away? I care for one.
    
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    September 15, 2017 2:50pm
  - Gabby
    
    Lies are fine right frigger.
    
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    September 15, 2017 7:12pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  It’s a non-issue MCos. Key has left politics, so has McCully, and as flipper so eloquently says “who gives a shit?”.
  
  In the meantime, thousands of New Zealand farmers woke up this morning, knowing that Labour is going to tax their water usage, and knowing that agricultural emissions are about to be included in the ETS if a Labour Green government. They indeed don’t give a shit about a few sheep to Saudi, but they DO give a shit about Labour’s plans to tax them off their farms.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:59am
  - mikenmild
    
    It’s almost as if you believe no one cares. But if, so how could we understand your own penchant for dragging other incidents from the past do not reflect well on parties other than the one you so blindly support?
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:18am
- Gabby
  
  You mean Munter McMutton did a woopsie in our beret?
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:55am
starboard

…and the best thing, it’s Friday..last day of this fkucing terrible mouldy language week joke.
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September 15, 2017 8:27am
- itstricky
  
  Morena starboard, kei te pehea ana koe?
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:02am
  - Brito
    
    I’d say he’s not feeling well itstricky, but again he maybe a wahine by night and tane by day. Bit mixed up.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:12am
    - Northland Wahine
      
      Whine by night and koretake by day?
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:17am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        I’d say he’s perpetually hoha NW.
        
        I may be out of step with many here, but having learned basic Te Reo, I’m glad that there are genuine efforts to see the language prosper.
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:47am
  - starboard
    
    For you Itsdrippy…
    
    Tā mā de nǐ húndàn
    
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    September 15, 2017 12:36pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Espiner won’t give a toss, he is fully immersed (in his own world of pc) and will keep the flag flying with a full sentence of stoneagers gobbledygook at 0600 most mornings
  
  Thank goodness Ferguson is there to provide a translation in about half as many words although I can take the sentence ‘Good morning New Zealand’, as read
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:03am
- Northland Wahine
  
  Morena starboard! I think you’ll find there’s 7 days in a week. You have the weekend to get thru! ?
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:06am
- mikenmild
  
  Is it true that the Woolston Club is offering you a discount today when you order the 5.00 pm early bird dinner special in te reo?
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:20am
  - kowtow
    
    Only if it’s roast kereru.
    
    ‘Callaghan sentenced Tau for killing or hunting a protected species, unlawfully possessing protected wildlife and conspiring to pervert the course of justice.’
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/83054927/ngapuhi-leader-to-be-sentenced-for-hunting-kereru
    
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    September 15, 2017 10:53am
    - GoVege
      
      At least it’s only kereru they’re hunting. …these days. 🙂
      
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      September 15, 2017 12:43pm
  - starboard
    
    Probably mikemong. Last time I took yo mama there she made an embarrassment of herself..got so pissed she vomited everywhere. Lost her false teeth.
    
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    September 15, 2017 12:32pm
    - Piniwi
      
      I was ate the poo pumping station when she came to collect them. They have a special rack for false teeth that come through. She spotted a pair that looked about right, reached out, grabbed them and stuck them on her mouth. Improved her smile and obviously one with an impeccable taste. At least it seemed that way since she they tasted like the roast of the day. Nobody found her glass eye though.
      
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      September 15, 2017 11:38pm
Maxx

So i hear from Tony Alexander this morning that the housing industry is about to go into a downward/holding cycle. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/96864107

This is no doubt because Labour have been calling housing a crisis. I’ve lost track of how many crisis’s we’ve had now that the market has sorted without dramatic intervention.
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September 15, 2017 8:37am
- KevOB
  
  Tony Alexander, BNZ chief economist (an Ausssie owned bank) is just reporting the GFC is underway. The building industry is aware and quietly battening down.
  
  Banks don’t speak too loudly at this stage so as not to spook people: us outsiders have more more freedom to state our observations.
  
  An incoming government should be well aware that this is a very hazardous time to be taking over the reins.
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:11am
oldpark

Why “trust” Liebour to do the right thing if they become the new Government. Would say more like “mistrust”.Based on the Lie-bours previous track record when miss Arderns’present puppet master ruled NZ. Helen Clark did some very sneaky,backdoor type of betrayal of trusting Lie-bour Voters. Of course just like their scam plan ,when they wanted people to vote them in with any tax plan details.
Helen Clark dumped our Airforce.Dumped our Privy Council,cancelled hospital waiting lists,causing thousands of the elderly awaiting elective surgery patients to fend for themselves. Many of the dumped people on waiting lists committed suicide. Others had to live with agonising pain. There were many ,many more types of decisions without a mandate.Another one was which caused a lot of hurt and angst. Who or what gave Helen Clark and her Labour Government at that time the authority to close down all mental and hospital facilities. Today we are reaping the terrible sad results of such a Sociopathic Lie-bour Government decision.” Trust”” Lie-bour to care for NZ. With their previous track record,more like “Mistrust.”
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September 15, 2017 8:37am
- mikenmild
  
  If these were bad things, why did your beloved John Key not restore the air combat force and access to the privy council?
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:15am
  - Gabby
    
    It’s almost as if the strike wing served no useful purpose.
    
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    September 15, 2017 7:08pm
gorse

I didn’t hear it myself but I understand Grant Robertson got hammered on radio this morning. He showed up as definitley deficient in running the country’s economy. Can anyone confirm?
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September 15, 2017 8:37am
- Rich Prick
  
  A bloke who couldn’t find Alf standing behind him in a pub ought not to have the PIN to the country’s ATM card.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:44am
  - RF
    
    Dear god. I forgot about wee Alf.
    
    When Alf & Grant go to parlimentary functions involving world leaders is Alf the husband or wife. Just asking……
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:15am
    - mikenmild
      
      If they are married, the term would usually be husband and husband. However, they might prefer the more neutral term partner, or some other term.
      Why do you care?
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:47am
      - starboard
        
        It’s not natural mm..wallowing in sewage is not natural mm. It maybe to you mm, but not the mainstream.
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:56am
      - mikenmild
        
        Back to starboard’s anal fixation again. Just because you can only think about bum sex, doesn’t mean that other people might enjoy different ways of seeking pleasure.
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:17am
      - sam green
        
        Those ladyboys tell a different story about you starboard- back door man – he pay good.
        
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        September 16, 2017 5:17am
    - Inandout
      
      He would be as popular as a pork chop if he took Alf to the world of Islam.
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:18am
      - GoVege
        
        Good…time for them to join the 21st century over there.
        
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        September 15, 2017 12:51pm
    - Piniwi
      
      RF. Fair question but rumour has it is done with a coin toss as to who gets the Tiara. You can see it again today on WO. Robbo’s turn.
      
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      September 15, 2017 11:50pm
  - G152
    
    probably used to Alf in behind
    
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    September 15, 2017 10:48am
burt

Get your New Zealander of the year nomination forms out;

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/96810035/former-msd-benefit-fraud-investigator-was-claiming-bogus-benefits
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September 15, 2017 8:43am
Richard

Red RNZ Radio have been hitting it hard this morning. Just one week to go so no surprise their campaigning, sorry I mean covering the election hard. The years old Saudi sheep affair, shoving the Gisborne apple lady on air and feeding her encouragement and leading questions. Not challenging her that minimum wage rise has been 3% per annum while CPI has been 1.8% same period. Attack on Nats Landcorp lease to own for young farming families policy, repeating verbatim of Grant Robertson’s back down on tax just to make sure voters get the message from Labour, sorry I mean RNZ independent state broadcaster
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September 15, 2017 8:44am
- doggone7
  
  If ‘hitting it hard’ is reporting corruption that is how it is.
  If it’s only coming to light now, just before an election because the information hasn’t been released until now, that is how it is.
  
  If you don’t care about having lying, conniving, corrupt people running the place, that is how it is.
  
  But getting all upset about RNZ?
  Murray McCully for New Zealander of the year, Murray McCully for a knighthood.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:52am
  - mikenmild
    
    I’m pretty sure he will be on the New Year’s honours list for his services to Saudi agriculture.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:21am
    - howitis
      
      Arise Sheikh Abdullah McCully
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:40am
  - Muttonbird
    
    Some people reckon not to worry about corruption in NZ because it’s not as bad as Sierra Leone.
    
    Richard is one of them.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:24am
    - Richard
      
      Taito Phillip Field. A case of real corruption. Got 6 years. It wasn’t enough.
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:21am
      - MCos
        
        And McCully?
        
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        September 15, 2017 11:15am
      - GoVege
        
        Of course.
        Gnats have always valued $$ over human lives.
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:51pm
  - Richard
    
    From AG’s report ( Ms Provost):
    “The payments did not amount to bribery or facilitation payments. Instead, they were made as part of a legally valid contract for services. Public money was spent within the necessary financial approvals.”
    
    Can’t trust the AG I guess?
    
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    September 15, 2017 10:38am
    - Gabby
      
      You can trust her to deliver.
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:50am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Actually gabby, Ms Provost was appointed as Assistant Commissioner of Police in 2001, by the Clark administration. She served in that role for eight years before being appointed Auditor-General in 2009 by National, a position she held for a further eight years.
        
        That she was considered by both Labour and National administrations as being worthy of senior public service roles suggests that she was a high calibre, politically neutral individual. She deserves better than you casting snide, anonymous smears.
        
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        September 15, 2017 1:06pm
      - Gabby
        
        She’s useful all right smuggy.
        
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        September 15, 2017 7:06pm
- RF
  
  I hear the Herald has already picked Labour as winning the election.
  
  For those who have not voted there is no need to vote. So pleased it’s all over.
  
  Must check my passport expiry date…
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:30am
  - marcw
    
    Start reserving your futures in toilet paper would be sound advice.
    
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    September 15, 2017 11:58am
- Gabby
  
  If you can keep the lid on your dishonest shit for a couple of weeks you shouldn’t have to worry about the fake news dishonest media hounding you by finding out the truth.
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:08am
Tom Barker

What’s that charming young Todd Barclay up to these days? Haven’t heard much from his since his boss assured us he’d be working hard up to the election to earn his taxpayer-funded salary. Nobody works harder than a National MP, do they?
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September 15, 2017 8:45am
- VicParking
  
  Were is the Labour Deputy leader these days. Have not heard much from him since the “Leader” slapped him down. Has anyone heard an anti aircraft gun going off?
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:55am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Kelvin was on TV3 breakfast this morning. Very subdued. He accused National of having a petrol tax waiting in the wings. Paula refuted that along with any plans for National to charge for water. She said National are secure in their decision making and don’t have a working party on tax, that taxes were Liarbor’s election plan not Nationals.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:01am
    - KevOB
      
      Kelvin speaks?
      I guess a Deputy has has to have something to do occasionally. Is he the Union Liason Officer or McCarten’s rep?
      Somebody’s acting as Union go between.
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:20am
      - Richard
        
        I hear his balls are in stardusts handbag for safekeeping.
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:24am
      - doggone7
        
        He speaks as much as Paula I reckon. You know the Paula, the lippy one who doesn’t like others to do their talking.
        
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        September 15, 2017 3:38pm
    - Inandout
      
      Garner tried to trip Paula up with his Maori words quiz, but his ploy fell a bit flat when she joked about some words.
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:24am
    - Gabby
      
      She prolly denied it. Pullya doesn’t refute stuff. That would require evidence.
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:49am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’ll see your Todd Barclay, and raise you a Chris Hipkins. At least there is no record of naked teenage boys running away from Barclay in the early hours. What is the point you try to make?
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:56am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    To be fair RP, that was Darren Hughes.
    
    Hipkins though still has some explaining to do over his complicity in an attempt to bring down the Australian government.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:01am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Woops. Yes. They all look the same to me.
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:03am
    - mikenmild
      
      If no one gives a shit about McCully’s corruption; why should anyone give a shit about your ludicrous allegation against Hipkins?
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:22am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Jacinda Ardern did, to the point where she had to hold a presser at 5.30pm on a Tuesday to hose the issue down.
        
        Interestingly, it happened on the afternoon that several National MP’s including my good friend Chester gave their valedictories. I was on my way from the public gallery to the after-match in National’s caucus room when I saw the media scrum in the foyer outside the Debating Chamber, and a subdued looking Ms Ardern making her entrance to address them.
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:51am
      - mikenmild
        
        Talk about missing the point. You constantly refer to real or imagined scandals form Labour MPs, but the McCully business suddenly fall outside some statute of limitations that exists only in your imagination.
        Anyway, isn’t it time you got back to telling off commenters who say mean things about politicians? Be fair now!
        
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        September 15, 2017 9:55am
    - ztev
      
      “bring down the Australian government”
      
      Yes in return, it must have been the Aussies labour who tipped off locals about ~~Col~~ MP Jian Yang
      
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      September 15, 2017 12:45pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Hipkins was the idiot who interferred in Australian politics. ?
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:04am
    - Muttonbird
      
      Looks like a bit of interference would do Australian politics the world of good.
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:26am
      - KevOB
        
        That’s the attitude that get the Aussies worked up. We have over 100,000 seeking full benefit rights in Australia and our good relations are critical.
        
        Trade with Australia took a lot of negotiation too.
        We need Australia more than they need us.
        
        Politeness is an asset in political relations.
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:25am
    - Gabby
      
      Fucking Aussie snoflakes.
      
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      September 15, 2017 7:01pm
  - Gabby
    
    Toddger had better drugs?
    
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    September 15, 2017 10:47am
- Gabby
  
  He’s earning double his salary, that’s how hard he’s working.
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:12am
doggone7

I thought National corruption with Saudi sheep deals would have been a big, major separate article on the site today.
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September 15, 2017 8:47am
- VicParking
  
  Your right, YAWN zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:57am
  - doggone7
    
    Yeah, what’s a few million of my taxpayer money?
    
    A bit more than the $32,000 English paid back. A few million more than Winston paid back. A few million more than Turei has to pay back.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:28am
    - Happychappy
      
      That don’t tax people on welfare so stop whingeing.?
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:50am
      - doggone7
        
        Turei look my tax money for herself and her kid. How many thousands?
        
        McCully took it for his own purposes. How many million?
        
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        September 15, 2017 3:41pm
Michael

Todd Barclay seems to be doing OK.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96832790/Todd-Barclay-selling-home-for-large-profit-before-heading-overseas
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September 15, 2017 8:59am
- Rich Prick
  
  Not bad for 17 months, well done Todd. Better still, it will really upset Labour Party types, think of that as a reverse stamp duty.
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:10am
- mikenmild
  
  That’s the kind of mature boasting we can all appreciate.
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:23am
  - Rich Prick
    
    See. One is miffed at Todd’s good fortune already.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:58am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Has he actually sold the house. If not then all the mealy mouthed comment from the left is just that.
  The house might not sell. He might have to reduce his price all manner f things might happen.
  If things that might happen are seen as set in concrete by the left then obviously labours “might happen” taxes are set in concrete as well and we are right to comment vigorously and loudly. Labour has set the precedent of complaining about what might be.
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:29am
  - Gabby
    
    So cancelling a tax cut isn’t raising taxes fluffer.
    
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    September 15, 2017 10:14am
    - Prince
      
      Yes it is, gibberish.
      
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      September 15, 2017 12:00pm
      - Gabby
        
        Paw prints, so things that might happen are set in concrete. Fluffer will be disappointed.
        
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        September 15, 2017 6:59pm
  - gump
    
    The article says the house is already under contract.
    
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    September 15, 2017 12:06pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Interesting that Ms Arderns recent settlement on the sale of her Grey Lynn house never made the news.
  
  Is the selling of houses now front-page news?
  If it is the papers will be quite large.
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:35am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Did Cindy cash up to avoid her CGT?
    
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    September 15, 2017 10:02am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Nah, she set up shop with her beau in Point Chev.
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:10am
      - Surely Knott
        
        Yes she’s in Pt Chev now. But her elected member declaration says she sold a central auckalnd house in October 2016, and settled on it in Feb 2017. Was that Grey Lynn? She obviously was thinking ahead about the Labour parties Capital Gains Tax. I’d like to not what gain she made and what she sold for. It was good enough for the press to publish Barclay and Keys house price and profit.
        
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        September 15, 2017 2:33pm
      - sooty
        
        So which one had the new throne installed?
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:36pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  I wonder if FART MOUTH who replied to me on that post is Gobshite in disguise. The coprophilia seems familiar.
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:19am
Brito

Ok, the horses mouth has spoken. James Shaw from the Green Party has had a happy little dialogue with Guyon from RNZ. The gist of this is that if the Greens are in the mix, they expect that they will have ministerial warrants. So, what does this mean? It means, as I pointed out last night, that I will be kept awake because…James Shaw as Minister of Revenue, Turea as Min of Social Welfare. Probably the American (Jenter I think) as Transport and a push for carbon neutrality. Don’t start me on the carbon fairy tale. And…40% tax rate. So the Labour pledge of no tax increase can quietly disappear out the door because Cindy can say “they made me do it”.
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September 15, 2017 9:02am
- RF
  
  The devil made me do it……. cindys excuse…..
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:19am
  - Longknives
    
    I think Turei is more likely to reappear as chairperson of one of Jacinda’s ‘working groups’ (Tax or Te Reo or something)
    A couple of years cruisy work at horrendous expense to the Kiwi Taxpayer!
    
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    September 15, 2017 11:36am
Michael

Say what you like about Grant Robertson but every time I google Kiwiblog up comes his face and it would appear David Farrar can’t do a blind thing about it.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=kiwiblog&form=BDSBTB&pc=BDT3&shash=&BDParam=&mkt=en-US
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September 15, 2017 9:03am
- lifesgood
  
  You mean to say you haven’t saved Kiwiblog to favourites!!!!
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:04am
- All_on_Red
  
  Bing is not Google…
  Bing is owned by Microsoft.
  
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  September 15, 2017 12:23pm
Keeping Stock

Breaking News: Man sells house for profit

The Left seems determined to take the focus off Jacinda’s tax flip-flop yesterday, which really isn’t a flip-flop at all. I’ll give her this though; she’s certainly proved she’s flexible.
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September 15, 2017 9:03am
- ztev
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Breaking news: Disgraced national MP sells house for profit after skipping out of his job 3 months before election.
  
  Its so hard for national voters to keep up with whos its candidate and who will be under police investigation ?
  Top of the north, Southland.
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:07am
  - ex-golfer
    
    Breaking news. Labour party leader sells house in Grey Lynn for profit. So what – most of us don’t really care but wheres the news on Ms Aderns recent house sale ztev?
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:33am
    - ztev
      
      Adern recent ?
      
      But you know the MP , the party boy from the south, whom Im talking about
      Plus the 3 months pay after the election even though hes been staying away from parliament for the last 3 months.
      In the end thats the basic reason he was bought down, a total shirker
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:03am
      - Gabby
        
        He’s doing it double, it’s the Dipton way.
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:18am
      - Surely Knott
        
        Yes Ardern recent. Settled 2017 Auckland Central. It’s in the public interest to know what she sold for and what capital gains she made – but that didn’t make the headlines did it. Only when people on the right sell their houses.. Smart of her to sell before she planned to implement her captains call tax.
        
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        September 15, 2017 2:36pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Hope the buyer had the dunny installation checked out by a registered plumber.
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:16am
  - Longknives
    
    Why is “profit” such a dirty word to the Left??
    
    Labour and the Greens both claim to care about Kiwi businesses (in recent advertisements) ..
    Is this another blatant lie from the Left Ztev?
    
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    September 15, 2017 11:33am
alloytoo

So if there wasn’t a $11 billion hole in labour’s budget, doesn’t Labour’s Flip Flop of yesterday now manufacture one?
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September 15, 2017 9:05am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Makes it worse. The day of reckoning cometh, or in labour speak TAX TIME.
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:37am
Keeping Stock

Lloyd Burr won’t be getting a Christmas card from Jacinda Ardern’s office:

Labour leader Jacinda Ardern cancelled her planned visit to Canterbury’s Selwyn River on Thursday because it was “flooding” – but problem was, it wasn’t flooding at all.

She intended to use Coe’s Ford to highlight the party’s pledge to clean up rivers. This part of the Selwyn River is often used as an example of how farm runoff is affecting the health of waterways.

Ms Ardern’s office pulled the plug on the visit, with a message to media saying: “With regret we have had to cancel the Coe’s Ford media event with Jacinda Ardern, due to flooding”.

However when Newshub arrived, the river wasn’t flooded or flooding at all.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/09/labour-cancels-over-flooded-river-despite-no-flooding.html

Oh dear; so much for promising never to tell lies. But wait, as they say in the informercials, there’s more:

A number of local farmers had gathered at the site too, after hearing on the radio Ms Ardern would visit. One of them was David Birkett.

“It’s a little bit disappointing. It would have been a good opportunity to talk to her about some of her policies,” he says.

“Labour has made a big hoo-rah about the Selwyn River, and one of the reasons she’s not here is probably because it’s looking really good at the moment.”

Mr Birkett claimed the water was so clean that he’d drink it. Newshub asked him to prove it, and he did.

So tell us the truth Ms Ardern. Did you cancel yesterday because the Selwyn River was flooded, or were you avoiding the very farmers you are planning to tax the bejesus out of?

Bill English might have copped a telling-off from packhouse workers in Gisborne yesterday, but at least he fronted up and didn’t make up a cock-and-bull story to avoid them.

Ms Ardern; you can’t avoid irate farmers forever.
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September 15, 2017 9:10am
- Muttonbird
  
  Anyone heard from Mr Birkett today? Someone should check on him.
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:28am
  - Richard
    
    Daves fine mate. As ever.
    
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    September 15, 2017 10:29am
- ztev
  
  Bill had to cancel a trip to Kaikoura because of ‘wind’
  
  Gerry was suppose to be there first so he took precautions
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:07am
- KevOB
  
  Her PR people let her down.
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:31am
fluffykiwi

The tax issue and what has ben mentioned so far is on the table, no new taxes that haven’t been mentioned before the working group and 2021.
However, taxes have already been mentioned so they must be on the table.
It is all in the wording of Press releases.
CGT has been mentioned
Inheritance tax has been mentioned
Water tax has been mentioned
Land tax has been mentioned
Fuel tax
Emissions tax
Income tax
ALL the above have been mentioned during the electioneering. So therefore they are all still on the table.
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September 15, 2017 9:15am
- gump
  
  The legislation that enabled estate taxes in NZ was abolished in 1999. It can’t be restored without an act of parliament.
  
  References to a “dead granny tax” are about uncertainties over the scope of a CGT.
  
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  September 15, 2017 12:10pm
  - Paulus
    
    I thought that Estate Tax is still on the books but is at zero rate.
    
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    September 15, 2017 3:20pm
- Piniwi
  
  Close fluffykiwi. Don’t forget the tourist tax. Not on locals unless they get across the border. If they don’t have outstanding student loans that is.
  
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  September 16, 2017 12:09am
fluffykiwi

Labour might get a bonus with Hone getting back. He only has to electioneer in his town. race relations will be set back another 100 years if he does.
He is after all campaigning for a weekly wage.
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September 15, 2017 9:17am
- mikenmild
  
  I should have thought you would be happy for race relations to be reset as they were circa 1917.
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:25am
  - Kimbo
    
    Rua Kenana in prison, Tainui refusing to support the New Zealand effort to win the Great War, and Maori rugby players ineligible to tour South Africa? 😉
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:47am
    - mikenmild
      
      That’s kind of what I thought fluffy would like.
      
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      September 15, 2017 9:58am
      - fluffykiwi
        
        Hone is the man who said he wouldn’t want his daughter to marry a “white man”.
        
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        September 15, 2017 10:50am
Tom Barker

I understand that there must be a perfectly valid, and even rather impressive, justification for Mr Barclay’s actions, but I can’t quite work out what it is. Can someone please help me out here? I mean, there’s no way a duly elected National MP could also be a benefit fraudster? Surely?
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September 15, 2017 9:19am
- Gabby
  
  Not deliberately, surely.
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:42am
RF

Apparently Ms Ardern was playing fairy god mother yesterday. Her convoy was returning to Christchurch from Greymouth via Arthur’s Pass and was held up by a rock fall.

Thankfully she had a boot full of chocolates left over from bribing Greymouth school kids to meet and greet her so she walked down the row of waiting vehicles handing them out.

Doesn’t that warm the cockles of your heart. Such a caring wee thing.
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September 15, 2017 9:26am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I hope they were sugar-free chocolates RF. It wouldn’t do for Ms Ardern to be dishing out unhealthy “treats” to schoolchildren.
  
  Oh, hang on. Isn’t treating strictly forbidden during an election campaign?
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:58am
- Prince
  
  Doesn’t that represent ‘treating ‘ ?
  Every person commits the offence of treating who corruptly, by himself or herself or by any other person on his or her behalf, either before, during, or after an election, directly or indirectly gives or provides, or pays wholly or in part the expense of giving or providing, any food, drink, entertainment, or provision to or for any person—
  (a)for the purpose of corruptly influencing that person or any other person to vote or refrain from voting; or
  (b)for the purpose of procuring himself or herself to be elected; or
  (c)on account of that person or any other person having voted or refrained from voting, or being about to vote or refrain from voting.
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:37am
  - Gabby
    
    Paw prints, ‘corruptly’ may be the key word. Did she pretend she had ministry advice that it was the only way to avoid legal action? That would be ‘pretty’ corrupt.
    
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    September 15, 2017 10:41am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Poor old sick grandpa, overtaken by children, not unusual except in this case the children are not hers.
  What sort of a family does she have when they couldn’t even pick up grandpa.
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:49am
  - Longknives
    
    I heard Grandpa was fending off wolves in the snow fluffy.
    Jacinda being clearly unable to provide any kind of care or assistance (or even a Private Hospital) despite her rather considerable earnings…
    
    Oh the Humanity!
    
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    September 15, 2017 11:29am
    - gump
      
      There are no private hospitals in Hamilton.
      
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      September 15, 2017 12:17pm
      - Poppa
        
        There are two private hospitals in Hamilton, Southern Cross & Braemar
        
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        September 15, 2017 1:29pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        There are care homes in Hamilton that provide accommodation and care for elderly people who need recovery after hospital.
        
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        September 15, 2017 6:42pm
  - GoVege
    
    At nigh on MIDNIGHT?
    
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    September 15, 2017 1:11pm
  - Gabby
    
    What about the bowel bloke in Hastings fluffer.
    
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    September 15, 2017 6:53pm
  - Gabby
    
    You don’t seem too bothered about grampa fluffer.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:32pm
Michael

Re Ardern’s cancelled visit to Selwyn River. She says she was acting on advice.
Labour rejects Mr Birkett’s claim it cancelled the visit because the river wasn’t dirty enough for the photo op, instead saying it was an honest mix-up based on information from a security check of the area beforehand.
“We can only act on the advice we’re given, and we were told we couldn’t get close enough for the visit,” says Ms Ardern.
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September 15, 2017 9:27am
- fluffykiwi
  
  So if the standard of their advice or “honest mixed-up advice on information received before hand” is wrong imagine the working party.
  But then I suppose it would just be claimed as “honest mixed-up advice”.
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:35am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    “Honest, mixed-up bullshit”, even though the river seemed to be free of the latter commodity yesterday 😎
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:59am
- howitis
  
  The security of facing up to honest Net taxpaying voters.
  There were not enough school children or beneficiaries (too early for them to be out of bed).
  The latter provide better camouflage and represent the artificial world in which the Tax Fairy feels secure.
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:58am
Rich Prick

Why do Labour’s shrill trolls become more numerous and vocal on this blog around election time? Do they not realise they influence none of us? Why do they bother? An enquiry into that might produce an interesting psychology text.

I wouldn’t darken the Standard’s door, never mind comment there.
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September 15, 2017 9:31am
- mikenmild
  
  Whereas your cheerleading will have an enormous impact…
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Do they not realise they influence none of us?
  
  Oh, they do influence me.
  
  They confirm that their nastiness and hypocrisy displayed throughout the last 3 years is politically based.
  (I’m sure deep down they are warm lovable creatures)
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:59am
  - GoVege
    
    Yes we are…we’re less likely to eat our mammal cuzzies anyway.
    But the truth is…we’re hoping for some of that gold to rub off on us…
    
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    September 15, 2017 1:25pm
- Gabby
  
  They’re after your money, seven fingers.
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:38am
Michael

Who would have thought a few months ago when Little was the leader of the Labour party that the election result was ever in doubt? Now it appears it could go either way. I haven’t made up my mind who I am going to vote for but I have narrowed it down to either National or Labour. Maybe I will give each of them a tick.
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September 15, 2017 9:33am
Dave Mann

I’m worried about this election. It’s all very well for commenters to point out (rightly) that Adern is full of hot air and light on details, but that doesn’t seem to be affecting the ordinary ~~man~~ gender neutral being on the street, judging by the poll results.

There are always things to criticise a government for (I’ve been incorrectly labelled a ‘leftie’ for not supporting charter schools, for example). But no government is perfect and there will always be areas of disagreement. However, the fact remains that National have steered this country admirably through financial crisis and earthquakes and it would be a fucked up mess under a Labour gummint.

I only hope the electorate comes to its senses next Saturday and returns National despite all the media bias that we’re seeing. If so, it will be a miracle and after a decent pause, BE should be knighted and then put back into the backroom role he does so well, in favour of someone with some you know, umm… errr… media ability.
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September 15, 2017 9:38am
Manolo

Isn’t tolerance, as understood by the Left, wonderful?
http://www.dailywire.crom/news/21070/build-wall-berkeley-puts-concrete-barriers-all-daily-wire#

The city of Berkeley, taking no chances with prospective violence from leftists who oppose the very idea of Daily Wire Editor-in-Chief Ben Shapiro speaking at the University of California, Berkeley on Thursday night, is erecting concrete barriers around town to prevent protesters from running amok.
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September 15, 2017 9:38am
- Rich Prick
  
  Expressions of ideas with sharp edges must be met with violence dontcha know. Fortunately the US has the South and Mid-West and those guys carry.
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:47am
- MrTips
  
  If the Left lose this election, and especially if the Greens don’t poll 5%, that kind of thing could most definitely happen here.
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:47am
MrTips

Ooohhh look. Its not just the “bigoted” Christians who have all the “fun”…..
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattle-mayor-ed-murray-resigns-after-fifth-child-sex-abuse-allegation/
#Progressive Hypocrisy™
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September 15, 2017 9:40am
- Gabby
  
  You read about it in the lying fakenews progressive lefty media right?
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:37am
fluffykiwi

Looking forward to Taxis first phone call to Australia. Given how the media manage to get hold of the content of these phone calls I am sure the content of such phone call will be front page on the Herald (now that they have called the election).
Ditto for her call to America, China, South Korea.
All with a whiny voice.
Note: I use the simple Taxi for a name as she is taking us all for a ride with her tax proposals.
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September 15, 2017 9:48am
- Prince
  
  Let me see…
  Tax..”I am rescinding your right to invest in NZ..”
  China, Aussies etc…”So you are renegotiating our agreement ? Good, we have some changes too”
  Tax…”Uh. Not so much. Let me get back to you.”
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:51am
- krazykiwi
  
  Haven’t you heard? She doesn’t have their number
  
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  September 15, 2017 11:32am
  - RalphT
    
    Well I reckon they’ve got her number…
    
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    September 15, 2017 12:22pm
Michael

Re Ardern’s cancelled visit to Selwyn River.
Perhaps a two ticks blue kiwiblogger would like to find out and report back as to who carried out the security check and who gave the advice.
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September 15, 2017 9:53am
Digmen1

Why is our “news” media so left wing biased?

Don’t they have a sense of professionalism?

I’d like to see Barry Coleman buy a radio station.
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September 15, 2017 10:08am
- Inandout
  
  Well at least Michael Bassett is given time on Leghton’s show. That guy has deep knowledge of how Labour operates.
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:43am
- insider
  
  Here’s an example in the Radio NZ newsroom from last night when poll result was announced. Contrast also Suzy Ferguson’s simpering interview with Grant Robertson about major policy foul up this morning with her snarling one with Nathan Guy
  
  https://twitter.com/inspidernz/status/908254598292430848
  
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  September 15, 2017 11:29am
  - Gabby
    
    Nothing Guy thinks he’s entitled to blaart on until everyone’s asleep.
    
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    September 15, 2017 1:48pm
AgentBallSack

Breaking News
North Korea has fired a missile, Japanese warned to take shelter
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September 15, 2017 10:24am
- Inandout
  
  Just a sky rocket, no panic.
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:44am
  - thedavincimode
    
    That’s the problem. It could go anywhere.
    
    Although my experience with skyrockets is that the reliability of the trajectory is inversely proportional to the the volume of liquor consumed and humour generated.
    
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    September 15, 2017 1:04pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Here we go again…
  
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  September 15, 2017 2:17pm
Right of way is Way of Right

I was particularly interested in some woman moaning to Bill English that the Minimum wage had only gone up $3.50 or so in the last 9 years, and how would he feel after only having that much of an increase an hour after 9 years.

If she is only still on the minimum wage after 9 years, I would suggest the problem is more hers than Bills!!
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September 15, 2017 10:27am
- ex-golfer
  
  Correct.
  Couple of immediate questions come to mind:
  1. What has she done to improve her circumstances?
  2. Why would she stay with the same employer if all they pay is minimum wage (there are countless employers in the BOP seeking workers)?
  
  Again its all about NZr’s in general becoming a nation of people sticking their hands-out wnating more and more.
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:53am
  - GoVege
    
    You mean:
    1. All the workers should leave and let the biz go belly up,
    2. How much do the other employers pay?
    
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    September 15, 2017 1:21pm
  - Paulus
    
    It was a Union setup !
    Silly woman – I would like to see her pay packet and how much goes to her Union.
    
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    September 15, 2017 3:27pm
  - Gabby
    
    Well she’s had a chat with the PM for a start.
    
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    September 15, 2017 6:48pm
- kowtow
  
  Of all the questions that Bill gets asked on the campaign trail that’s the one the “news” media highlight for their daily hate broadcast.
  
  And they claim to be fair ?
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:55am
- G152
  
  I can see an employer unable to re-employ her next season
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:55am
- Poppa
  
  Obviously not particularly bright if she thinks Bill arranges how much she gets paid
  
  That increase is not bad in percentage terms. I certainly have not had that & I am self employed
  
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  September 15, 2017 11:32am
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes she should know that it was not too long ago that our minimum wage was $10 an hour.
    It has gone up each year under National.
    
    Why does she think she is worth more than a Chinese factory worker who makes the stuff she likes to buy and only gets $4.00 an hour.
    
    We are living in a global world.
    
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    September 15, 2017 11:42am
    - Gabby
      
      Her rent’s a bit higher than some bloke in China for starters dicman.
      
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      September 15, 2017 6:46pm
Hugh Pavletich

Posted at todays MacroBusiness Australia Links Page …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/09/links-15-september-2017/#comment-2954094

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/09/links-15-september-2017/#comment-2954095

NEW ZEALAND ELECTION 23 SEPTEMBER … LOOMING LARGE SWING TO LABOUR … WITH HOUSING THE MAJOR DRIVER …

Thursday night’s important TV 1 Colmar Brunton poll … note youth report below … read more via hyperlinks above …
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September 15, 2017 10:39am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  When is Nick Smith coming out of hiding … and held to account for his blundering incompetence ? ?
  
  Here is a copy of the Newshun report at the time he was plucked out of the sin bin (for being naughty in an earlier portfolio) by John Key January 2013 and given the Housing portfolio. The lightweight Phil Heatley was fired that very morning by Key ! …
  
  Nick Smith tasked with affordable housing | Newshub
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/business/nick-smith-tasked-with-affordable-housing-2013012218
  
  There is heaps more helpful material within the GONE GONE GOING section at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
  
  The last thing we need is another 3 years of this political loser … and the rest of the Nat losers. Even if Smith is fired, what on earth is there to replace the loser ?
  
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  September 15, 2017 10:53am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Labour’s new leader shakes up New Zealand’s election … The Economist
    
    https://www.economist.com/news/asia/21729013-she-wants-cut-immigration-admit-more-refugees-labours-new-leader-shakes-up-new-zealands
    
    Massive crowd greets Ardern at Otago Uni … Otago Daily Times
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/massive-crowd-greets-ardern-otago-uni
    
    Further coverage …
    
    https://news.google.com/news/story/dl5MNm8G7yc-S_MqIPoS5cH9C4jYM?hl=en
    
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    September 15, 2017 12:07pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      YOU HAVE GOT TO WATCH THIS !
      
      Election 2017 Winston Peters takes Guyon Espiner down a peg or two on Housing. …
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9A39SFxdJY
      
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      September 15, 2017 2:04pm
      - KevOB
        
        Nothing wrong with Winston either. I am concerned too about housing costs inflation. I suspect there are some fat middlemen.
        
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        September 15, 2017 2:45pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Kevin …
        
        Ask too … why we currently have not got this pricing in New Zealand … Pulte Homes Phoenix Arizona example …
        
        https://pulte.com/homes/arizona/phoenix/florence/parkside-at-anthem-at-merrill-ranch-7739#CommunityDetailsView
        
        … EVEN LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS WAKING UP … BELATEDLY ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS …
        
        Waipa mayor: Affordable housing problem remains unless attitudes change | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/life-style/96484661/waipa-mayor-affordable-housing-problem-remains-unless-attitudes-change
        
        … extract …
        
        … “Doing the math, the base price for farmland sold originally for $600,000 to $70,000 a hectare, divide that with a low cluster development of 10 houses, take into account up-front costings of $100,000, I fail to understand why we still end up with sections on the market for $300,000.” … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        … Check out the simple structural DEFINITION OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING MARKET at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … google search ‘New Homes … North American City of your choice’ … refer Demographia Survey for guidance.
        
        Housing through the decades, what is affordable? | Newshub
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2016/08/housing-through-the-decades-what-is-affordable.html
        
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        September 15, 2017 5:30pm
Jack5

Rachel Smalley (“NZ women are lard-os” Smalley) lashes a a politician and Cabinet Minister as out of touch because he didn’t jump to be interviewed by her.

This is the radio journo who flew to Europe, looked through the wire at the beginning of the Middle East invasion across the Mediterranean, and demanded NZ open the gate to them.

(Smalley won sufficient support from the bleeding hearts of the media to get John Key to backtrack somewhat on his initial wise decision of “no way”.)

Someone didn’t jump at the chance to be interviewed by you, Rachel? Aw diddums!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11922533
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September 15, 2017 11:14am
- Longknives
  
  Smalley is ‘Team Jacinda’ all the way- She has written several gushing articles about ‘The People’s Princess’.
  I’ve even heard rumours the two are Personal friends…
  Ethics in Journalism? Not on your Life!
  
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  September 15, 2017 11:25am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, he declined a hit job by a Labour hack. Who would have thought?
  
  Perhaps Wachel could fill the slot with a puff-piece by crossing to Jacinda talking to small children at some school, or in front of hand-picked media goons on the steps of some hospital.
  
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  September 15, 2017 11:37am
- Gabby
  
  Froggy Coleman prefers to spout bullshit numbers and fake facts uninterrupted. His throat seizes up if he has to stop to listen.
  
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  September 15, 2017 1:45pm
Swifty

PUP office party on the night of Sep 23…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1dTQh5RST0

Don’t forget to tuck!
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September 15, 2017 11:20am
Fletch

Meanwhile, in Australia, local councils are cancelling ‘Australia Day’ because it’s racist and Nazi-like.

A third council in the city of Melbourne has moved to cancel Australia Day celebrations, arguing the country’s national day is offensive for indigenous people.

Australia Day is celebrated Jan. 26 every year to mark the anniversary of Britain’s First Fleet’s arrival in 1788. The Moreland City Council in Melbourne voted Wednesday to remove all references of the date as Australia Day. One councilor called the ceremonies “grossly offensive” while another compared it to Germany celebrating its Nazi past.

“It would be like celebrating the Nazi holocaust,” Socialist Alliance councillor Sue Bolton said during the meeting, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation reports.

The government condemns the cancelation and it moved to ban citizenship ceremonies in the two other communities that passed similar bills last month. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has previously described the cancellations as “utterly out of step” with Australian values.

“The Turnbull government strongly condemns comparisons of Australia Day with the Nazi Holocaust as deeply offensive to all Australians,” Alex Hawke, the federal assistant immigration minister, said in a statement. “Already we have stripped councils of the right to administer citizenship where they have violated the Australian citizenship ceremonies code.”

The cancellations coincide with a string of attacks against monuments of James Cook, the first European to explore and chart Australia’s east coast. The Turnbull administration has asked the Heritage Council to include statues on the National Heritage List, which would penalize vandalizations with hefty fines and up to seven years in jail.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/14/communities-cancel-australia-day-celebrations-because-its-like-celebrating-the-nazi-holocaust/
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September 15, 2017 11:24am
- Brito
  
  Fletch, the Aussie’s have only got themselves to blame for the reactionary councils and the major challenges they face. Just remember the council or government is a reflection of the region or country (which is watered down by those who can’t be bothered to vote). That’s democracy in action! The same can be said for NZ. If we have a Labour, Green, Maori party government then that is the democratic process is action. What you end up with is a different set of circumstances and rules to work with but by and large, it is survivable. If you reflect on the previous 20 odd years we have had great stability and have waxed and waned around the centre of the spectrum. This possible new world order-Labour, Greens, Maori will take us further left than we are probably comfortable with. Either we get out and vote to reject this notion (or confirm it). But it is what it is and we’ll need to suck it up and get on with it (either group).
  
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  September 15, 2017 11:46am
scottie

Another question for comrade Jacinda. How much lost tax revenue have they budgeted for when the water levy becomes a business expense rather than what would have been taxable profit?
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September 15, 2017 11:25am
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9A39SFxdJY&feature=youtu.be

(Edit of RNZ interview where Winston Peters takes Guyon down a peg or two on Housing.)

Listen to Winston Peters in this interview, telling Guyon Espiner that “it is the ideas of people like YOU that has destroyed people’s hopes”….

“…We used to build more houses 40 years ago when we had 3 million people….we became one of the highest property ownership democracies in the world….I know men who can build 4 bedroom homes for $130,000….The country used to be run by plain PRACTICAL men, not University Students…”
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September 15, 2017 11:40am
- Keeping Stock
  
  For Espiner to have been taken down a peg or two by Peters, that interview must have been edited within an inch of its life. Peters was woeful yesterday, and if you want proof he’s past it, watch or listen to the whole thing:
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/339374/the-leader-interview-winston-peters
  
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  September 15, 2017 1:32pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    “Edit of RNZ interview where Winston Peters takes Guyon down a peg or two on Housing”
    
    On Housing, Winston hits the nail on the head.
    
    Guyon admits in the interview, with respect to housing, he has no idea.
    
    “I have no idea” – Guyon Espiner
    
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    September 15, 2017 2:17pm
    - Gabby
      
      no idea what Winnie is talking about.
      
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      September 15, 2017 6:44pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Keeping in case you missed it, 1:20secs into the edited video Guyon states:” I don’t know what I am talking about.”
    
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    September 15, 2017 2:26pm
OTGO

Can someone tell me what money and benefits Meteria Turei will be paid when she stops being an MP (assuming she doesn’t win the Te Tai Tonga electorate)?
I am trying to settle a bet between a couple of mates (I’m holding the money), one says she gets 170k p.a. plus free air travel, the other says she gets jack.
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September 15, 2017 11:45am
- mikenmild
  
  You mean one of your mates seriously believes she continues to be paid a parliamentary salary indefinitely?
  
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  September 15, 2017 12:04pm
  - OTGO
    
    Yes. I’m holding 2 x $50 bills pending proof otherwise.
    
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    September 15, 2017 12:26pm
    - mikenmild
      
      MPs defeated at the election get three months’ salary.
      She will get some form of parliamentary pension, dependant on when she entered parliament and her length of service, but it won’t be anything near a full salary.
      I don’t know about the travel perks, but I think they were phased out quite some time ago.
      Do I get a cut?
      
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      September 15, 2017 1:41pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  If she has been there 9 years she gets her superannuation, I am not sure on air travel for ever but there are perks.
  
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  September 15, 2017 12:37pm
  - Brigitte
    
    She gets her super regardless of how long she’s been there (it will be a Kiwisaver style arrangement not a pension). The 9 years relates to the GSF which closed to new members in 1992 so excludes her.
    
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    September 15, 2017 1:37pm
- stephen2d
  
  She will get an immediate $40k (not joking) for “hardship” – oh irony.
  
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  September 15, 2017 1:21pm
Digmen1

I know our building costs are high.

But today s house are also much bedda.

Several power plugs in each room
Insulation in walls and ceiling
Larger rooms
Shower instead of bath
Several bathrooms
Lots of down lights (instead of one batten per room)
Aluminium windows
Double glazing
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September 15, 2017 11:45am
- Paulus
  
  And Internet Broadband on line too.
  
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  September 15, 2017 3:30pm
- MCos
  
  Hey Digmen1, isn’t it you that wants Maori to speak in complete sentences?
  
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  September 15, 2017 5:25pm
Digmen1

Yes its time we said “SORRY” to all these women with six kids that cant get a nice warm home that want us all to pay for it while they stay home and look for a few more loser boyfriends.

Sorry, go and find a car to live in, or build your own shed like they do in India or the Philipines.

Then tell all of your friends not to do what you did.

Tell them to get educated, get a job and find a good man, and get married, buy a house, then have two children.
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September 15, 2017 11:54am
- GoVege
  
  First make the sperms donors pay…
  
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  September 15, 2017 12:59pm
- RF
  
  Hat tip to Whale but the problem with our solo mothers is their SOCK. Some other c****s kid.
  
  Some are just breeders that we are obliged to throw money at. If the Greens have any influence in forming the next Govt we will have a new generation of SOCKs.
  
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  September 15, 2017 5:53pm
Longknives

Stuff have ‘Jumped the Shark’ with their ridiculous gushing over Maori language and culture

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/baby/96865742/new-zealands-most-popular-mori-baby-names

Ariana and Maia are Maori names??
The kiddies who write for Stuff have clearly never studied Classical Greek..
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September 15, 2017 11:54am
- cmm
  
  Don’t you know anything???
  
  It’s more colonial cultural appropriation.
  
  The classical Greeks just ripped off the name from the Maoris. They should pay some compo or something.
  
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  September 15, 2017 12:00pm
  - Longknives
    
    True- Considering Maori have also claimed (against all History and common Logic) to have invented Trench Warfare,Tattooing and Rugby Union this is hardly surprising..
    
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    September 15, 2017 12:09pm
    - mikenmild
      
      The trench warfare thing is a funny one. No Maori claimed to have ‘invented it’. James Belish essentially made this claim in his book on the New Zealand Wars.
      What does appear to be the case is that Maori successfully adapted their existing styles of fortifications to incorporate bomb-proof dugouts, communication trenches and musket pits. It doesn’t appear that there was an European guidance in this. I understand the British made a model of one of the pa in the northern War, but it is doubtful that this had any great significance in the development of military science.
      A rhetorical claim more than anything else.
      
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      September 15, 2017 1:50pm
- mikenmild
  
  Some of the loonies on this blog probably think the ancient Greeks settled here a few thousands year before Maori, along with the Celts, Phoenicians and Egyptians.
  
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  September 15, 2017 12:03pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Don’t forget the Gauls.Haven’t you read that great history book, ‘Asterix discovers long white cloudy island’?
    
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    September 15, 2017 12:11pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Indeed. If the government simply released the research that was embargoed in 1988, and opened up the restricted archaeological sites for independent assessment, then these loons could be shown for for what they are. Right?
    
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    September 15, 2017 12:11pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Not that bullshit again. PRATT.
      
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      September 15, 2017 1:42pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        What bullshit? Just some transparency so the evidence itself can show up those goons. Where’s the problem with that?
        
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        September 15, 2017 1:52pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Sigh. there is no secret archaeological evidence. No embargo. Nothing.
        
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        September 15, 2017 2:20pm
      - Longknives
        
        May well be bullshit Mikenmild but if Maori can invent an Ancient Taniwha that can only be appeased by Modern Taxpayer/Ratepayer cash then I think pretty much any ludicrous claim goes….
        
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        September 15, 2017 2:27pm
      - mikenmild
        
        True, Longknives. Except that, in these cases, the ludicrous claims about hidden pre-history are not tending to come from Maori.
        
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        September 15, 2017 2:37pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Milky, are there any NZ archaeological sites that are off-limits to researchers? I think you know that there are. Open them up. Let’s have some scientific transparency.
        
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        September 15, 2017 3:58pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    “Some of the loonies on this blog probably think the ancient Greeks settled here a few thousands year before Maori, along with the Celts, Phoenicians and Egyptians.”
    
    If only! Then at least we would have a rich interesting legacy of great civilisations with beautiful ancient ruins, instead of a few left over pipi shell rubbish piles from a stone age culture.
    
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    September 15, 2017 12:25pm
- KevOB
  
  It’s the Polynesian form that overlaps: letters from the local dialect and all consonants followed by a least one vowel.
  
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  September 15, 2017 2:52pm
Digmen1

If I was the Green pardy I’d put $150 million and make it compulsory for all Maori to speak proper clear concise English in full sentences.
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September 15, 2017 12:49pm
- mandk
  
  Yeah, nah.
  Good as.
  
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  September 15, 2017 12:50pm
Manolo

It is that serious:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/09/14/a-south-korean-delegation-asks-washington-for-nuclear-weapons/?utm_term=.02059d2ae0a1

A senior delegation of South Korean lawmakers is in town making the case to the Trump administration and Congress that such a move is needed to confront North Korea’s growing nuclear capability and place more pressure on China.

“We are here to ask for redeployment of tactical nuclear warheads in South Korea,” Lee Cheol Woo, the head of the intelligence committee of South Korea’s National Assembly, told me Thursday morning.
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September 15, 2017 1:19pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  You’d have to ask what SK are complaining about in comparison to Japan.
  
  I can’t imagine that China, Russia, US, UK, Australia or anyone else would tolerate someone regularly firing ballistic missiles over the top of them – let alone the only country in the world that has suffered a previous nuclear strike, as the Japanese have.
  
  How can anyone justify leaving the Japanese to suffer ongoing missiles and warnings to the population to head for shelters?
  
  They need to agree to take the NK regime out completely – or someone just do it.
  
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  September 15, 2017 1:46pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The Japanese head for shelters more often than you think. They are used to it.
    When there is an earthquake, sensors pick up the P-wave, and an automated warning goes out instantaneously to all mobile phones in that area (you get about 10-15 seconds to react before the earthquake arrives).
    
    These North Korean missiles are business as usual. (It is thoroughly pissing off the Japanese population, though, and will encourage public support for Mr. Abe (pronounced “Ah-bay”) who is a hawk.
    
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    September 15, 2017 2:16pm
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      Talk about rationalisation.
      
      You’re suggesting that the people of Christchurch, purported to need mental health treatment for their trauma from the earthquakes, would be impervious to concern if some lunatic dictator started playing russian roulette with nuclear weapons over the top of them?
      
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      September 15, 2017 2:32pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I don’t think the missiles contained nuclear weapons. It’s just a saber-rattling exercise by the Norks.
        
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        September 15, 2017 6:17pm
  - mikenmild
    
    If only it were as easy to do in reality as it is in the imagination of chickenhawks like yourself, Annie.
    
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    September 15, 2017 2:19pm
    - GoVege
      
      How dare you Milky!!
      Anne is the Boudicca of Kiwi blog!
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:51pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    North Korea has essentially go no option but to fire over Japan if it wants to test long range missiles.
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:47pm
    - GoVege
      
      Yes…imagine the repercussions if they fired in the opposite direction…
      
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      September 15, 2017 10:54pm
- rangitoto
  
  The South Korean press is already braying for their government to develop their own nukes. They could easily do it with the engineering capability they have.
  
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  September 15, 2017 3:10pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Japan would be the same. They would be able to put together operational nuclear weapons faster than you might think.
    
    The Japanese Constitution prohibits first strikes, however, there is mounting pressure (spurred on my these missile runs) to revise this clause and allow the Japanese defense forces to strike first again perceived threats.
    
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    September 15, 2017 7:51pm
publicwatchdog

NZ WHISTLE-BLOWER ALERT!

The TRUTH about the Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM!

“Penny Bright has been shining a light into the murky recesses of public/private partnerships in the Tamaki Regeneration scheme and revealed some disturbing details…”

https://www.facebook.com/penny.bright.104/posts/1796625243683493

In less than 2 days – this video has had 45,000 views.

When are mainstream media going to ‘pick up the ball’ on this apparently CENSORED story?

In FIVE years of this Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ project – there are more houses that have come down than gone up.

237 Tamaki State houses removed.

213 New houses built.

92 ‘social’ houses.

39 ‘affordable’ private sale houses for first home buyers.

82 private sale houses (high-end).

In an OIA reply from Tamaki Regeneration Ltd, dated 21 August 2017, information about the exact prices paid by private property developers for each and every former Housing NZ property was refused because of ‘commercial confidentiality’.

How disgraceful is that?

This is / was PUBLIC property!

Is the apparent ‘CENSORSHIP’ of this story, by mainstream media, because the paper trail goes straight to Bill English, Nick Smith and Steven Joyce?

Past and present Crown Shareholding Ministers in Tamaki Regeneration Ltd, to which 2,867 former Housing NZ properties were transferred on 31 March 2016?

Which, IMO, makes this Tamaki SCAM story – political dynamite?

Penny Bright
2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.
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September 15, 2017 1:30pm
- mikenmild
  
  Got an update on your Tamaki campaign for us, Penny?
  Canvassing going well? I hope your leaflets don’t smell too strongly of cats’ piss.
  
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  September 15, 2017 1:45pm
  - publicwatchdog
    
    My campaigning in Tamaki is going very well Mikenmild – thank you for asking.
    
    Tonight I will be attending the Tamaki candidates’ meeting – to be held at Selwyn College – starting at 7pm.
    
    Standing as a Tamaki Independent is proving to be a very effective way of helping to expose the $1.6 billion Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION scam.
    
    What’s your view on the failure of Tamaki Regeneration Ltd to provide the information on exactly how much private property developers have paid for each and every former Housing NZ property?
    
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    September 15, 2017 2:50pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Thanks Penny.
      
      Any Kiwiblogger volunteer willing to attend the meeting and report back to the group?
      
      And thanks for answering a question, for a change.
      
      Because you have been so nice, I’ll even answer yours. As I understand it, the scheme in Tamaki is to remove a bunch of run down, unsuitable existing state houses and replace them with a mixture of new public and private housing. Essentially, the sale of some (most?) of the land for development is intended to fund the development of more state housing units than existed before.
      
      I think any request for information should be responded to in a way that helps the public to know whether those objectives are being met.
      
      As to withholding information on commercial grounds, this is okay where there is a genuine concerns that releasing such information would prejudice a commercial position. I should note that such a decision to withhold information is subject to a balancing test of any overriding public interest. If you are not satisfied with the response, you could request the Ombudsman to review it.
      
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      September 15, 2017 2:58pm
      - Swifty
        
        Nice.
        
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        September 15, 2017 3:04pm
    - Swifty
      
      Do you think you’ll win?
      
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      September 15, 2017 3:18pm
- Swifty
  
  Once again P Bright demonstrates a complete lack of judgement about what NZers consider big issues.
  
  Tamaki is about developing better housing for more people. But does P Bright get this? No, sadly no.
  
  As for ‘$CAM, CENSORSHIP, murky recesses and ‘political dynamite’ – people see what they want to see. As for P Bright well, I’ll leave that to NZers to decide.
  
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  September 15, 2017 1:50pm
  - publicwatchdog
    
    Really?
    
    So how come since 2012 – more houses in Tamaki have been removed than have been built?
    
    237 former Tamaki State houses gone.
    
    213 new houses built.
    
    Only 92 of that 213 are ‘social’ houses.
    
    I’m relying for my information on an OIA reply from Tamaki Regeneration Ltd.
    
    How about you?
    
    Kind regards
    
    Penny Bright
    
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    September 15, 2017 2:53pm
    - Swifty
      
      FFS – you can’t be that dim surely.
      
      The job isn’t complete yet!!
      
      “Almost all the stock of 2600 state (social) houses in Tāmaki will be demolished over time, replaced by 7500 homes.”
      
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      September 15, 2017 3:02pm
- stigie
  
  When is the house in School Rd going up for auction Penny or should i ask the Auckland Council who must be owed something over 40 grand now in Rates..?
  
  You’re a fucking disgrace Penny for bludging off the decent people of Auckland !~
  
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  September 15, 2017 2:02pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Same old story again.
  Are Hugh and Penny related?
  
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  September 15, 2017 2:14pm
  - Poppa
    
    Perhaps they share the same lodgings?
    
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    September 15, 2017 2:20pm
  - Swifty
    
    Birds of a feather – same single issue nuttery.
    
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    September 15, 2017 2:28pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Penny:
  
  When are mainstream media going to ‘pick up the ball’ on this apparently CENSORED story? … Is the apparent ‘CENSORSHIP’ of this story, by mainstream media, because the paper trail goes straight to Bill English, Nick Smith and Steven Joyce?
  
  Sorry Penny, but while you’re banging your single-issue drum on a Facebook soapbox, the rest of us are focussed on a general election! (By the way, have you decided who you’ll give your party vote to yet?)
  
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  September 15, 2017 4:57pm
SteveRemmington

Any update on Cindy’s response to North Korea chucking missiles into the Pacific?

Is she offended?

And where’s my favourite broflake? Surely Gaylord is really, really, really furious about this and has fired of a nasty tweet to Kim.
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September 15, 2017 2:16pm
- mikenmild
  
  So no tweets yet from the Orange One?
  
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  September 15, 2017 2:39pm
  - SteveRemmington
    
    Unless you haven’t noticed Milky the orange one is not running for PM of NZ.
    
    Unless of course that you are referring to Kelvin Davis and you call him orange instead of brown for fear of triggering yourself.
    
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    September 15, 2017 2:49pm
    - Brigitte
      
      Perhaps he thinks the The Don will try and counter the campaign by Vlad (you know, like his US one where he, um, er, he did um, er, oh whatever).
      
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      September 15, 2017 2:53pm
    - mikenmild
      
      In that case, Kim Jong-un will be waiting for comments from Bill English?
      Shades of ”We have warned the Kaiser, and we warn him again”, the (apocryphal?) editorial line from a West Coast newspaper in the 1910s.
      
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      September 15, 2017 3:00pm
      - SteveRemmington
        
        You may have been on the tea trolley round but I heard Bill on the radio about 5 minutes ago offering comment.
        
        Please keep up with play Milky.
        
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        September 15, 2017 3:05pm
      - mikenmild
        
        And now you are waiting for Ardern to comment?
        
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        September 15, 2017 3:12pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky, the fable was earlier than the 1910s, and it was the Czar the newspaper had reputedly warned.
        The fabled editorial is supposed to have included:”We have repeatedly warned the Czar …”
        
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        September 15, 2017 4:19pm
      - itstricky
        
        And now you are waiting for Ardern to comment?
        
        He’s carefully considering whether to vote for Labour
        
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        September 15, 2017 5:54pm
    - rangitoto
      
      No but hopefully he is on standby to invade NZ if the commies win.
      
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      September 15, 2017 3:12pm
- Gabby
  
  She says she has no plans to test missiles rimmers. Not even over Strollya. Fishboy says fair enough. Prebbo says that’s the last straw and communism is the next inevitable stage with all the ghastly excesses that entails.
  
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  September 15, 2017 6:36pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/96875989/rnz-listener-takes-offence-to-over-morification-of-the-station

Censorship alive and well in New Aotearoa I see!

I’m a little concerned to see the link using the word “morification” when it should be spelled “murrification”
🙂
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September 15, 2017 2:32pm
- mikenmild
  
  mortification?
  
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  September 15, 2017 2:38pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Why do you lefties always want to kill people Milkey? 🙂
    
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    September 15, 2017 2:45pm
  - KevOB
    
    A rare tick from me.
    
    I had to laugh at the Ho’s on TV1 . Tokenism at its worst.
    
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    September 15, 2017 3:01pm
    - GoVege
      
      Kev: it’s good for your brain to learn a second language.
      
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      September 15, 2017 4:05pm
      - itstricky
        
        Don’t tell him that… You’ll ruin his ‘fun’ laughing ‘@ da hoes’
        
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        September 15, 2017 5:32pm
      - KevOB
        
        I have checked law drafting in Samoan and was moderately OK in Biblical Greek. I have found Maori lacking in root word depth to be useful as a modern language and side with Ngata.
        
        My brain is presently fairly fully occupied: Memoirs for the family are underway.
        
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        September 15, 2017 7:00pm
BananaLlama

Here you go lads and lasses some good news from afar. Norway’s populist right wing government won a second term. Leftists btfo. Sweden will be next.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/09/12/norway-populist-government-wins/
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September 15, 2017 2:37pm
- Johnboy
  
  Only takes a couple of Islamic outrages to turn a stupid, docile lefty populace into a bunch of goose stepping Aryans. We haven’t had any here yet! 🙂
  
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  September 15, 2017 2:42pm
- krazykiwi
  
  From the article:
  
  Migrants from the third world have become increasingly important to the Labour Party, which is backed by 80 per cent of Muslim voters — who now make up a third of the population of Norway’s capital city, Oslo
  
  Sounds familiar.
  
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  September 15, 2017 3:53pm
  - GoVege
    
    A THIRD???
    How long did it take them to manage that?
    Oh that’s right….multiple marriages.
    I pledge my vote to the first party that bans the burqa and polygamy.
    
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    September 15, 2017 4:10pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  BTFO
  
  So its you I see on 4chan with the NZ flag…
  
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  September 15, 2017 6:03pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    I don’t browse /pol/ or /int/ … come to think of it i don’t really browse the chans anymore i’m a twitter /a/nime shit poster.
    
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    September 15, 2017 6:10pm
Michael

He is right about David Bain being a mass murderer but is he right about Jacinda?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/96824698/martin-van-beynen-a-changing-of-the-guard-is-on-the-way
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September 15, 2017 2:42pm
- rangitoto
  
  I’m pretty sure Jacinda isn’t a mass murderer. At least not so far.
  
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  September 15, 2017 3:15pm
  - Longknives
    
    Frighteningly her Political Heroes are-
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes
    
    “Comrades,Comrades,Comrades..”
    
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    September 15, 2017 3:20pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Where in that link does it identify Ardern’s political heroes?
      
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      September 15, 2017 3:52pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Where in your job description does it say bore the fuck out of people on a political blog all day?
        
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        September 15, 2017 6:12pm
Michael

Would I vote for a party that paid a mass murderer nearly a million dollars?
But then I ask myself would the other party, had it been in power, have paid him even more?
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September 15, 2017 2:55pm
- GoVege
  
  At least they didn’t pretend it was compensation for “wrongful imprisonment “.
  It was clearly only handed over to get him and his mate to pi** off.
  
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  September 15, 2017 3:41pm
Ross12

So much for getting the youth / young voters engaged in the election

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/election-2017/339434/fewer-young-people-enrolled-than-2014
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September 15, 2017 3:50pm
Digmen1

Have they played Jacinda not going to the river in the SI on tv yet?
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September 15, 2017 3:55pm
- stigie
  
  She really hates rivers cause they are dirty, she would rather visit a school where she can hug some children and their teachers cause she likes that !~
  
  It’s fucking sickening !!
  
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  September 15, 2017 4:10pm
  - Happychappy
    
    She dropped all the Labour policies in the open for people to see and then for days visits schools so she can’t be questioned on them. Then you have the Media that don’t want to ask the hard question on what she has released and instead go after National about one of their MP’s being a Chinnese spy or Todd Barclay for making a profit on his house.
    
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    September 15, 2017 4:22pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stigie:
    
    You never told us what you were going to do with that block of butter … on special for $4.49 !~
    
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    September 15, 2017 5:09pm
    - stigie
      
      Haha you caught on Nostra, i was hoping Dad would come back and tell me what to do with the block..?
      But of course that’s just a fucking waste with the price of butter these days.
      
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      September 15, 2017 6:11pm
Digmen1

Perhaps Comrade Jacinda could visit NK and ask her hero Kim Jung Un to please stop firing those missiles.
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September 15, 2017 4:05pm
Happychappy

No she is to busy setting up a inquiry into ACC. They absolutelyrooted it in their last tern and now they are about to do the same if they get the Treasury Benches. You can just imagine what will happen once Sweet cheeks will do and how he will gut it if he is Finance Minister.
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September 15, 2017 4:09pm
Jack5

NZ is going to become more like Scandinavia, says Christchurch Press reporter Martin van Beynen who has been touring the country talking to people.

He’s picking an Ardern win, and his article includes this conclusion:

Under her, we can see the country becoming less male orientated, more diverse and tolerant (ironically she stands for less immigration), more open to changes like the legalisation of cannabis and euthanasia and less blaming of the poor and dysfunctional. Ardern stands for Māori language and redistributing money from the financially comfortable to the battlers and the losers.
She stands for a New Zealand that some will see as painfully politically correct and others will regard as less derogatory or patronising of people traditionally seen as different.

In other words, a country that is more Scandinavian than American or Australian.

If van Beynen is correct, coming up will be three great years for right-wing bloggers, ripping into the PC, compulsory Maori language, and general sickly socialism.

But New Zealand like Sweden? Taxed to the eyeballs to finance welfarism; swamped with Third World immigrants; welcome-homes for ISIS volunteers; dark, dark psyches reflected in the thrillers of writers like Henning Menkell, Stieg Larsson, Jo Nesbo, and Mari Jungstedt?

Coming up according to Martin van Beynen: life in Happy Valley.
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September 15, 2017 4:12pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Sweden is the only left wing bastion left in Scandinavia now and the right wing there are in the ascendant so i hope he is right.
  
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  September 15, 2017 5:19pm
Rachael Membery

Ridiculous, I just voted and I wasn’t even asked for ID.
Where are we, America?
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September 15, 2017 4:53pm
- GoVege
  
  You have an honest face, Rachel. 🙂
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Stuff is running a viewer poll on Party vote preference

I ticked Maori Party and discovered that at 0% no-one agreed with me.
Then the little program told me to “Go with the flow” and share the message.
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September 15, 2017 4:57pm
- Piniwi
  
  Nice one MW. It was interesting that National 47% and Labour 35% with poor old Winston on 3%. He wont be chuffed with that as it is lower that his usual drop. More like one of those insipid beers of perhaps MeTu’s cider
  
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  September 16, 2017 12:48am
Jack5

Five hundred posts for General Debate is in sight. Here’s an offering to keep the pot boiling….

An interesting report in Stuff details the important influence of Maori in the rise of rugby in NZ. It quotes well known sports writer Ron Palenski.

He is quoted as saying Tom Ellison, a lawyer and member of the Maori (or “Natives”) team to tour Australia in 1888, persuaded the the NZ Rugby Football Union to adopt a black uniform for the national team.

But when did the name “All Blacks” arise? A report in the Otago Daily Times two years ago, sourcing from an associated publication Southland Express, quotes the last surviving player of the national rugby team tour of Britain in from that tour, Billy Wallace.

He apparently said the team name came about because a London newspaper reported the New Zealanders played as if they were ”all backs” and, apparently due to a typographical error, in subsequent references called them ”All Blacks”.

The Stuff report also mentions as one of the pioneer Maori players Billy Stead, who represented NZ from 1903 to 1908.

The Otago Daily Times report says Stead was the son of the Mayor of Invercargill from 1898 to 1899 and 1917 to 1921, John Stead, whose name is memorialised in several Invercargill structures. Billy Stead, who was born in Invercargill in 1877, was one-eighth Maori. His maternal great-grandmother, Hine Kaitoki, of Ngati Kahungunu, in Hawkes Bay, married a Yorkshireman about 1837.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/96878863/how-mori-influences-put-new-zealand-on-the-world-rugby-map
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September 15, 2017 5:05pm
Happychappy

Has Winstons over payment going to find who Leaked the details or has he dug his own hole. MSD today said they have cleared the staff of making the Leak so that needs Winston to prove National was responsible and now he has no option but to bring his Lawyers in like he has threatened or he might have brought a end to his Political career.
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September 15, 2017 5:21pm
Jack5

Chelsea Manning, previously Bradley Manning, who went to prison for espionage after leaking military documents, is still in the headlines.

This time its about Harvard University rescinding a visiting fellowship it had bestowed on her. This after the director of the CIA cancelled an appearance at the university.

The Guardian reports:

“I now think that designating Chelsea Manning as a visiting fellow was a mistake, for which I accept responsibility,” said the dean of the Kennedy School, Douglas Elmendorf.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/15/chelsea-manning-fellowship-cia-head-cancels-harvard-speech-over-offer-to-traitor
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September 15, 2017 5:38pm
- Jack5
  
  Here’s what Harvard Kennedy School said on Wednesday in announcing the Manning fellowship:
  
  Chelsea E. Manning is a Washington D.C. based network security expert and former U.S. Army intelligence analyst. She speaks on the social, technological and economic ramifications of Artificial Intelligence through her op-ed columns for The Guardian and The New York Times. As a trans woman, she advocates for queer and transgender rights as @xychelsea on Twitter. Following her court martial conviction in 2013 for releasing confidential military and State Department documents, President Obama commuted her 35-year sentence, citing it as “disproportionate” to the penalties faced by other whistleblowers. She served seven years in prison.
  
  The headline described Manning as the school’s first transgender Fellow.
  
  It’s interesting that “fellow” originally meant man or boy, according to an online dictionary.
  
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  September 15, 2017 5:52pm
EAD_TWO

Looks like I’ll have post #500 and it’s not even 6pm!

Here is the documentary I’m watching at the moment and hoping to finish tonight – “The Greatest Story Never Told”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HWxKahieBY

Very enjoyable and informative – I highly recommend it if you’ve got some time on your hands.
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September 15, 2017 5:54pm
- Nostradamus
  
  EAD:
  
  Looks like I’ll have post #500!
  
  That’s impressive – for someone with a current tally of 368 comments to his name 🙂
  
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  September 15, 2017 5:58pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    There is also the c. 5,000 under my old Moniker Nosty……
    
    Just saying 🙂
    
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    September 15, 2017 6:02pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Well when I posted 503 had already posted so is he sure.
    
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    September 15, 2017 6:06pm
- Jack5
  
  D – Quingenti.
  
  Spot on, EAD-TWO, but Jeez, using the mark to plug a video about Adolf Hitler. Nah to that.
  
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  September 15, 2017 6:00pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    @ Jack,
    
    It’ll be some good learning for Mikenmild on a Friday night.
    
    Maybe he might even read some of the comments of those who have watched the video and had their views utterly transformed of from the narrative they’ve had drummed into them about WWII since the day they were born.
    
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    September 15, 2017 6:04pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Not even a new video if you have been around the traps long enough.
    
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    September 15, 2017 6:06pm
Happychappy

Housing prices dropping all over the country down over 20% in some places and 21% in Auckland is this the start of the collapse or are they waiting till they see who wins the Election.
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September 15, 2017 5:57pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Happychappy:
  
  I’m sure Hugh is standing by to answer all of your housing-related questions.
  
  ( … read more via hyperlinks above …)
  
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  September 15, 2017 6:01pm
  - stigie
    
    “Fuck Hugh”
    
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    September 15, 2017 6:16pm
- Piniwi
  
  Cheers HC. Commented earlier on this. Buyers are scared of Taxinda driving up interest rates to double digits and B) the falling house prices might slash their equity if the have to sell it.
  
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  September 16, 2017 12:56am
- Digmen1
  
  My house has gone down steadily from a ridiculous high of 525,000 six months ago to $465,000 now.
  According to homes.co.nz
  
  Still high for my house and the area, but at least they are coming down.
  
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  September 16, 2017 7:24am
tom hunter

A 500 comment GD???

Okay, I’ll bite.

At about 11:54 pm tonight, NZ time, the USA will smash a nuclear-powered spacecraft into the Planet Saturn.

Because this is the 21st century.
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September 15, 2017 6:05pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Thats nothing
  One time at band camp we fired a rocket into Uranus
  
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  September 15, 2017 6:09pm
  - tom hunter
    
    milky already got that one in yesterday!!
    
    On another note of interest (perhaps), she’s cranking at 32,327mph, accelerating at about 1 mile per second squared. So in the time I wrote that, and edited – 32,460mph
    
    And 54,549mph relative to Earth.
    
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    September 15, 2017 6:10pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Crap lol and I didnt see it and now I sound like milky. I need new material.
      
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      September 15, 2017 6:14pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Tom Hunter:
  
  the USA will smash a nuclear-powered spacecraft into the Planet Saturn
  
  Goodness – that’s a creative way to get rid of Kim Jong-un!
  
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  September 15, 2017 6:22pm
tom hunter

179,548 miles from Saturn and closing at about 7 miles a second!
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September 15, 2017 6:06pm
- nasska
  
  Has anyone organised a protest? Does Penny know about this?
  
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  September 15, 2017 6:11pm
  - tom hunter
    
    It would have taken twenty years worth of advanced planning, oxygen, food and heating – but oh I would so like to have her strapped to Cassini right now.
    
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    September 15, 2017 6:17pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Tom Hunter:
      
      It would have taken twenty years worth of advanced planning, oxygen, food and heating
      
      You forgot the most important thing: a stack of bottled water so Penny can have a daily bath in space! (Imagine the view!)
      
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      September 15, 2017 6:30pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  My daughter loves it when I show her stuff like that. At 12 years old she is amazed at what humans have done. Thanks Tom.
  
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  September 15, 2017 6:16pm
  - tom hunter
    
    I enjoy it too, although now with teenagers I get the whole, “My God, you can remember it being launched – in 1997”?
    
    Sigh!
    
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    September 15, 2017 6:18pm
Nostradamus

I’ve noticed the discussion about Reid’s whereabouts – and Johnboy (who has met Reid) had a bounced-back email.

It so happens that Reid has posted his name and phone number on Kiwiblog – a long time ago – and I’m not linking to those comments.

It’s unlike Reid not to comment for a while so, as one often does in these situations, I’m wondering about the what-ifs and hoping he’s ok.

What’s the consensus? Should I ring him – or will it all seem a bit weird?
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September 15, 2017 6:26pm
- nasska
  
  For my money I think he’s better left to make his own decision on if or when he returns to the forum Nostra.
  
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  September 15, 2017 6:35pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Phillu force feeding him Tofu last i heard.
  
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  September 15, 2017 6:37pm
  - stigie
    
    The Phool use to force feed shit to all of us here on Kiwiblog with his over the top punctuation !~
    
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    September 15, 2017 7:06pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  I don’t think its weird, sometimes we make connections with the unlikeliest of bedfellows. Would be sad to find out he had passed without us acknowledging some of his craziest posts
  
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  September 15, 2017 6:41pm
  - nasska
    
    I checked http://www.amemorytree.co.nz/ & he’s not mentioned Ballsack.
    
    FWIW Reid has disappeared for extended periods of time before but has always returned eventually.
    
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    September 15, 2017 6:54pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  It’s a tough one Nosty. People on here have had hundreds of interactions with others yet we could walk past each other the street and not turn my head.
  
  What makes it odd is that he has been an institution on this blog for such a long time – I’ve read Kiwiblog for nigh on a decade before joining in 2014 and tbh, and the ones I recalled from those early days were Pete George, Redbaiter and Reid.
  
  The former 2 have left to write their own blogs while Reid has left without a note. Hopefully he’s just taking a break – following and commenting on news in the crazy world we live in can be tiring. Hopefully hes just taking some time off to smell the roses as we should all do once in a while.
  
  Give him a call Nosty, no-one ever minded being checked up on to see that everythings OK. What’s the worst he can say – “thanks mate for the phonecall, everythings OK, after 12 years I’ve decided to take a break from blogging”.
  
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  September 15, 2017 7:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ring him.
  Tell him he’s missed.
  Of course it might seem weird, but so what?
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:48pm
Happychappy

So what the fuck is happening in NZ they are not just not happy about not having Te Reo being taught in school they reckon that we are also letting them down by not having the language on our road signs, so being compulsory is not far away if Labour become the Government.
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September 15, 2017 6:43pm
- starboard
  
  There will be rioting in the streets and I’ll be leading it.
  
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  September 15, 2017 7:04pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    For you Starboard:
    
    Te Arawa kaumatua: ‘Te reo continues to be oppressed’
    
    Mr Macfarlane and Mr Nicholson think Maori Language Week is not the silver bullet for improving the progression of te reo in Rotorua and the rest of the country. “I think Maori Language Week is a bit of a token gesture and the mindset should really be that every day is a Maori language day,” Mr Macfarlane said.
    
    White fellas like you and me should be ashamed of ourselves Starboard. We oppress Maori language and culture by not speaking it (at the breakfast table) or reading it (in the local newspaper) while having our breakfast!
    
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    September 15, 2017 7:09pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      When I hear the word “oppressed,” my post-modernist proximity alarm goes off.
      
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      September 15, 2017 7:42pm
  - nasska
    
    If you want to get some practise in organising a riot you should head our way starboard.
    
    The primitives have managed to get the Rimutaka Hill road renamed as the Remutaka Pass.
    
    I understand that local signwriters are overjoyed. The rest of us……less so.
    
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    September 15, 2017 7:11pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      What does that mean for the local lock-up currently (or previously) known as Rimutaka Prison?
      
      A new entrance sign (“Remutaka Prison”) presumably – and perhaps a new outdoor vegetable garden so the “residents” can celebrate their new home?
      
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      September 15, 2017 7:14pm
      - nasska
        
        Dunno Nostra.
        
        But I think the Māōrī have full naming rights to NZ prisons via continuous occupancy.
        
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        September 15, 2017 7:18pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        That’s true – they got in early with naming rights for Arohata Prison and Waikeria Prison!
        
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        September 15, 2017 7:19pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Rimutaka Prison was originally named Witako Prison, but was renamed at the request of Te Atiawa, who did not wish to have a prison named after their revered ancestor.
        
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        September 15, 2017 7:25pm
Jack5

What’s going on with Jian Yang, the Chinese MP (National) who once worked at Chinese military institutions?

There has been reporting on this overseas, and it would be no surprise if Five Eyes partners are asking for details.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11922788
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September 15, 2017 6:59pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  My concern is that if Jian Yang worked at Chinese military institutions, he will view them and the people who work there as his friends and associates. If need be, he will easily be able to contact them.
  
  Do you really think that once you stop working at a military institution, they stop contacting you and leave you alone? Hell, I did a post-graduate degree at the University of Auckland a decade ago and to this day they periodically e-mail me for contributions and to see how I am getting on. Why would a Chinese military institution be any different.
  
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  September 15, 2017 7:47pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    STOP CONTRIBUTING and the begging letters will cease.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:16pm
- wiseowl
  
  There is an excellent article on Yang on croaking cassandra.
  link on right of KB
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:33pm
stigie

Over 600 is on the cards chaps and Johnboy’s not even here..?

Is Last of the summer wine on tv ?
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September 15, 2017 7:20pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Even more impressive Stigie – only 5 comments (so far) from Hugh Pavletich. It’s most unlike him not to add a steady stream of 10-15 comments (with hyperlinks) on one thread. And not much help from Big Bruv’s 12+ identities either, it seems.
  
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  September 15, 2017 7:23pm
  - stigie
    
    As soon as Dad appears, the others will come out of hiding.
    Dad’s bloody popular you understand Nostra !~
    
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    September 15, 2017 7:27pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      The wistful part of my personality would like to see a reunion between Dad and James Sleep and Roger Nome. Ah – the memories!
      
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      September 15, 2017 7:32pm
      - nasska
        
        Saturday afternoons used to be classics Nostra. Big Bruv vs Redbaiter with Baity’s little poodles humping his leg while Pauleastbay injected some sense.
        
        Total madness but for entertainment it beat throwing Godwhacks to the lions. 🙂
        
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        September 15, 2017 7:46pm
      - Nookin
        
        Rogernome departed (involuntarily as I recall) around 9 years ago but has returned in many guises since.
        James Sleep never really recovered from the ignominy of being run over after lying in front of a car.
        We are not missing much, especially when dad has a propensity for self immolation without them. Mind you, he seems to have stuck assiduously to his meds programme of late. Mourning still for Ritchie?
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:03pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        I’m sure Redbaiter had a soft spot for you, Nasska:
        
        (2013) “a couple of happy pills & another lick of your cellphone battery should see you right.” May well be what you would do Narsey, but being up there in straw chewin weed smokin cousin kissin hound doggin inner tube collectin hillbilly country, what would you know of how civilised people behave?
        
        (2013) Item 1- exposed the self professed liberty loving fraud and coward nasska as a far left anti capitalist anti-christian bigot interventionist pro powerful gummint progressive with a very bad case of OCD. And suffering from the worst case of endlessly irritating Klark style smugness on this blog.
        
        (2015) That’s rich coming from some culturally isolated backwoods hillbilly who judges every other family by the desperate degenerate behaviour of his own.
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:08pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nookin:
        
        James Sleep never really recovered from the ignominy of being run over after lying in front of a car.
        
        I think this was where things started to go downhill for James:
        
        You have to feel for James Sleep. His birthday (15th I think?) was during the Labour Party conference and he had no less a person than the PM [Helen Clark] announce it was his birthday and wish him a happy birthday. That’s pretty cool for any young political activist. Alas poor James was in the bathroom when it happened!
        
        There’s a classic exchange between Dad and Roger Nome (which was only partly responsible for keeping Roger Nome busy on that thread) too…
        
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        September 15, 2017 8:17pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Bite your tongue N. Can’t he just lump them together and PDF them? Poor dear fossil.
    
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    September 16, 2017 1:04am
Jack5

Military history buffs probably already have come across Bismarck’s videos on Youtube.

An interesting one to those who are also interested in logic and decision making is Bismarck’s video on survivorship bias. He uses as an example the analysis of the damage to aircraft in war, and subsequent changes to armour plating.

Survivorship bias – decisions based on the experience of success while ignoring experience of failures – applies to many fields.

https://youtu.be/B3YQJ5DwTzM
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September 15, 2017 7:26pm
noskire

The religion of peace strikes again – blasts reported in London underground.
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September 15, 2017 7:55pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Sh*t – that’s the District line I used to take every day from East Putney to Monument!
  
  Diversity strikes again.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:14pm
  - noskire
    
    Saw a great meme yesterday – “If your religion is worth killing for, start with yourself.”
    
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    September 15, 2017 8:39pm
- Piniwi
  
  Yes noskie. An IED on a timer. No deaths thank goodness with 18 injured mostly flash burns. Perhaps the trains were not on time and may have reduced the carnage. Another long night for authorities and security staff.
  
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  September 16, 2017 1:09am
- Rich Prick
  
  Remarkably, there was virtually no disruption to transport other than the Wimbledon branch of the Distrist Line. The fire near the railway line near Milton Keynes caused more mayhem with all Manchester – Euston trains cancelled.
  
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  September 16, 2017 2:20am
RF

For what its worth… it has to be true but not confirmed.

Spoke to a hard core labour retired coal miner from Greymouth. Strong supporter of Damien O’Connor but very wary of Ardern.

Apparently there has been a mutiny on the good ship Labour. The crew were very concerned about the Captain making her “captains call” concerning tax. Whilst she was out of town on the coast someone thought to be Grant phoned her and gave her the message to can it. She was really pissed and angry.

Although Kelvin is the deputy it is just a title as Grant is the power behind the throne. After the election that my contact was confident Labour would win, Grant will strike.

I was told that Captain is just a popular front with the power players behind pulling strings. I asked if the unions are involved and how long has the Captain got and was told… watch this space.
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September 15, 2017 8:01pm
- GoVege
  
  Nah…they need a Maori for deputy.
  And Kelvin has the brains, the looks and the personality.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:42pm
  - RF
    
    My guy made the comment… Kelvin is thick as pig s****.
    
    Hey … he could be bull shitting however he has no love for Torys and no friend of mine. The old prick is old school Labour who does not like change. He does not have a cell phone.
    
    In spite of Ardern now being a media darling she is apparently treated with suspicion by some in the party as she has been a lightweight until recently.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:31pm
- Gabby
  
  Sounds about as reliable as your old informants rf rf. Barking up the wrong tree again rf rf.
  
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  September 15, 2017 8:46pm
  - RF
    
    Gabby… I know I pissed you off by not paying for bully you were fizzing to me.
    
    Unfortunately you were never reliable.
    
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    September 15, 2017 9:35pm
nasska

How do you confuse a liberal feminist?

Rape her while shouting Allahu Akbar.
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September 15, 2017 8:59pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Sicko.
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:41pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    and 4 more sickos upticked that. Nothing funny about rape, – ever.
    
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    September 15, 2017 11:50pm
Fletch

Look at the security needed at Berkley just because conservative Ben Shapiro is going to speak there. Helicopters in the sky, police, concrete barriers, transit has been shut down etc. Anyone would think he was a highly controversial speaker, but he isn’t.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCV3zPXrygg

This is all because liberals won’t allow anyone to speak with whom they disagree. It’s total bullshit.
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September 15, 2017 9:33pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Morgoths Review has got Ben Shapiros number:
  
  http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.co.nz/2016/03/first-they-came-for-ben-shapiro.html?m=0
  
  http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2016/09/has-ben-shapiro-been-born-again-hard.html?m=0
  
  It’s a boon for Zionist Jews to drip pearls of anti PC wisdom into the conservative mind, a mind which is literally dying for anything even resembling a release from the Marxist-Jewish infection of Political Correctness. It also serves a purpose, the more Hank in Alabama believes in a Muslim/Feminist alliance to take away his guns and freedom of speech while Islam invades the West, the more likely Hank is to send off Hank junior to die in the desert for Israel.
  
  In order to perpetuate this narrative it is necessary to allow Islam to be pilloried relentlessly, we might also get some juicy articles about Black criminality which hint at race realism. In other words, the more Zionist leaning Jews on the Right have been throwing other protected groups under the bus for geopolitical gains and they have done this as being anti-Political Correctness, seemingly having forgotten why Political Correctness was invented.
  
  But why be satisfied with the flabby gristle of feminism or the bloody pork chop of Islam when, in the distance, there’s a huge succulent rack of ribs called ”The Jewish Question” for the, newly awakened, dissident mind to grapple with?. All it takes is a surge of confidence, or Donald Trump, and the masses begin to return to the source, and worst of all is that Jews such as Ben Shapiro can no longer count on the brain-inhibitor in the gentile mind to dissuade them because that would be “Politically Correct”. Writing recently at The Wire Shapiro sniffed
  
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  September 15, 2017 9:48pm
  - Jack5
    
    Come into the real world, EAD_two. Nazism was crushed 72 years ago.
    
    What if you have one of these fashionable DNA tests and it shows you are part-Jewish, as it seems Hitler was?
    
    Judaism and its offshoot, Christianity, are, like Greek and Roman tradition, law, and thought, embedded in the foundations of Western civilisation.
    
    If the Nazis hadn’t been such fuckwitted nasties they wouldn’t have driven out of Europe and into the Manhattan project so many bright Jewish scientists. Then Germany might have had a remote chance of successfully standing up to the United States.
    
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    September 15, 2017 10:10pm
sooty

Went for a drive today, coming home Marcus Lush on ZB talkback tonight. Give 16yr old the vote, he says. The problem is they all indroctunated by all the screaming lefties 8n the school system! If you are giving the vote, what about all the rest, getting married, adult justise and prison, getting a gun, military conscription, having a mortgage and so the list goes on.
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September 15, 2017 9:39pm
sooty

Went for a drive today. Labour have got the slaves in chain gangs on the side of the road in variouse towns touting for votes. Lots of red and billboards of Taxinda everywhere.
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September 15, 2017 9:44pm
- Piniwi
  
  Interesting but futile since it will look like another rent a mob protest. All crushed with latest version of National “LET TAX THIS ad. 15 seconds and revised at minimal cost.
  
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  September 16, 2017 1:15am
Jack5

A handful more posts, folks, and we’re up to 600, and all without the Keas, without the Stephiestanis, and without Griff.

I suspect EAD_two is lurking ready to pounce into the 600 spot with a plug for some neo-Nazi bullshit video.
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September 15, 2017 10:13pm
tom hunter

597 posts???? Okay – I’ll continue to play…

Where is Cassini Now?.
She’s really moving at this stage:
39,800 miles from Saturn
75,335 mph relative to Saturn
105,754 mph relative to Earth.
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September 15, 2017 10:27pm
tom hunter

The animated shot of her approaching Saturn is has been updated every 5 seconds, but hardly seemed to move hours ago.

Changing quickly now though.
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September 15, 2017 10:30pm
tom hunter

Technically of course, she’s already dead and vapourised!

It’s just that it take 83 minutes for the signals to get back to Earth! 🙂
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September 15, 2017 10:40pm
rightoverlabour

608 comments. Is that a record?

MAGA Make Aotearoa Great Again – Vote National

Stuff has an interesting nonscientific poll running. Interesting at this stage – 46% Nat About 37% Labour.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96897026/were-curious-who-are-you-going-to-vote-for
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September 15, 2017 11:45pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Nothing to stop people playing more than once, so labour haven’t caught on yet.
  
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  September 16, 2017 7:45am
Digmen1

I see the ethnic cleansing in Myanmar is up to 400,000. Only 600,000 to go.

I really like the way Aung San Suu Kyi ignored the UN report, and ignores any calls for stopping the army.

I wonder what Helen Clark would have done.

They should appoint a few Burmese generals to the British Army.
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September 16, 2017 7:28am
Manolo

Another lone wof:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/645177/France-Hammer-Attack-Allahu-Akbar-Terror-Two-Women-Chalon-sur-Saone-Parsons-Green
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September 16, 2017 7:37am
Surely Knott

Ok I know the Guardian is a lefty paper but it’s now beyond ridiculous. Even the Herald makes some attempt to cover both sides. Author Eleanor Roy is front page today with – Article 1: Jacinda, “I’ve got what it takes to be the Next Prime Minister” in depth Jacinda and video. Article 2, Jacindamania has lifted Labour into Poll lead, Article 3. New Zealand gripped by Jacindamania as polls soar , Article 4. Jacindamania spreads as Corbyn backs Jacinda 5. Rocketing Rise why Jacinda could be the next rock star politician . Well you get the idea. There’s about 9 sycophantic articles and videos of Jacinda without any coverage of the issues, or the National party it’s leader or the policies. The only article about Bill on the Guardian is a single article about secret recordings. It’s just rockstars and stardust and global media telling you how to think and there’s only one way to think. So only worth telling you about one candidate.
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