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srylands

I thought this was a parody. But no. It is a ‘safe place’ within The Standard. To comment, you “must be left wing”.

A bubble inside a bubble.

https://thestandard.org.nz/lefties-on-the-standard/
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August 9, 2017 8:03am
- KevOB
  
  WO is considering selling commentators the right to say what they please. Pay and Say.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:18am
  - G152
    
    I get the feeling that WO is falling over
    
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    August 9, 2017 8:36am
    - tas
      
      In my view, WO jumped the shark when it took the position that NZ voting (together with all our allies) for a unanimous UN resolution that Israel didn’t like is the biggest betrayal ever and is the single most important issue this election. Slater makes a bigger deal of it here than it is in Israel according to my Israeli friends.
      
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      August 9, 2017 8:56am
      - Kimbo
        
        a unanimous UN resolution that ~~Israel~~ the Likud-lead government didn’t like
        
        There! Fixed that for ya. Which explains the ambivalence of your Israeli friends… 😉
        
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        August 9, 2017 11:02am
      - Nukuleka
        
        NZ didn’t just vote against Israel with ‘our allies’ as you so quaintly put it. NZ co- sponsored the UN resolution with Venezuela, Senegal and Malaysia. Of course, Venezuela and Senegal are such ‘great allies’ of NZ that most NZers wouldn’t even be able to point them out on a world map!
        
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        August 9, 2017 12:36pm
    - Random T Person
      
      Yep. Hilarious how they are selling mugs after making so much fun of the Labour Party…selling mugs. Also, did anyone see the kicking WO got in the NZ Herald for paid blogs attacking the former headmaster of Kristin School? Like Metiria Turei, he is going to discover that the past never stays fully hidden.
      And the begging bowl came out to buy a couple of hundy’s worth of microphones to make a podcast.
      
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      August 9, 2017 8:59am
      - tas
        
        I feel sorry for him. He’s under a lot of pressure. I have considered giving him money, but some of his positions I just can’t support.
        
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        August 9, 2017 9:07am
      - waikatosinger
        
        I like to pay the game of trying to guess what stories he’s been paid to push. Trouble is you can rarely tell if you are right. I missed the one about the Kristin headmaster.
        
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        August 9, 2017 9:40am
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “Also, did anyone see the kicking WO got in the NZ Herald for paid blogs attacking the former headmaster of Kristin School?”
        
        Yes. That was very disturbing. I have never liked WO, mainly because I have never liked Slater. Not for any particular or rational reason, the guy has just always given me the creeps.
        
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        August 9, 2017 9:53am
      - lifesgood
        
        I used to follow him but agree the Israeli stance is irrational as is his hatred for Bill English which I put down to his love for Judith Collins and his spite because she didn’t become PM. The blog is his only income so I guess he is under pressure but still, I’ve gone right off him. He sounds increasingly vindictive. He has also been working hard against National this election so one assumes he wants to see a government of the deplorables. Weird.
        
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        August 9, 2017 10:01am
    - Piniwi
      
      Astute observation G152. The moderators eagerness to ban commenters who opposed the narrative seems to have backfired. The singing of the growing click rate has been conspicuous by it’s absence of late. The newest bribe to prompt subscription is “commenter insurance” which would allow removal of a comment and a ticking off from a moderator. Tut -tut. The premium for said insurance is a subscription. Pay and say as you put it. Thus a similar “bubble” within a bubble leading ultimately to collective opinion.
      They crow about the number of comments but many go unnoticed judging by the tick rates since many who might like to are already banned. It might get like Kosher food to be taken if you prefer it that way.
      
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      August 9, 2017 2:04pm
      - Random T Person
        
        Note how many responses there are to surveys – usually a couple of hundred. That’s how many readers there are. Not hundreds of thousands, but hundreds.
        
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        August 9, 2017 2:45pm
  - Chris R
    
    He’s not as it happens…he proposes that commentators who are concerned that their comments may fall foul of his biting moderation standards can buy insurance cover to avoid being banned. I think it shows a depth of maturity rather than being an item for derision. The numbers of comments continues to grow at a formidable rate.
    
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    August 9, 2017 8:57am
    - KevOB
      
      Call what WO likes it’s still Pay & Say.
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:22am
      - Chris R
        
        If you say so, but it raises a good question: Ought commenting on blogs be cost free for any of us? One can participate in a conversation without paying a subscription and anonymity provides a cost free ability to make (often) wild allegations. An annual fee for these pleasures doesn’t seem outlandish.
        
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        August 9, 2017 9:28am
      - cmm
        
        Chris R
        
        Ought commenting on a blog be free? Well that’s up to the blogger to decide, but it is disingenuous to call it “insurance”.
        
        WO is free to run his blog the way he chooses, but it looks like he’s tanking badly.
        
        Much of the value in a well run blog comes from the comments. Writing a well constructed comment takes time and effort. It isn’t “free”.
        
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        August 9, 2017 9:44am
      - tas
        
        Chris R:
        
        I enjoy reading and writing comments. The ones here are often insightful and generally offer good quality discussion. WO’s comments are much lower quality, despite the draconian moderation (although it has helped).
        
        DPF providing this forum is a much appreciated service. He would be well within his rights to charge for the privilege of commenting here. However, I doubt enough people would pay to make it worthwhile and it would totally change the nature of comments.
        
        Kudos to Slater for trying to make a few bucks off WO. However, I think he is encountering exactly the same problems as the old media he so often derides.
        
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        August 9, 2017 9:55am
    - GazzaW
      
      The volume of comments always grows exponentially prior to an election. It’s Cameron’s blog and I totally defend his right to run it as he wishes but I did get fed up in the end with his endless derision of ‘Kumara Bill’, the gun lobbying, the Israel affair and the nanny-state style moderation. I have noted a ‘changing of the guard’ over the last few months on my infrequent visits to WOBH with the disappearance of regulars and the arrival of some new commenters.
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:26am
      - Chris R
        
        I stopped commenting there after being banned for 2 months about eighteen months ago. The cause of the ban was fickle and capricious. There is clearly a need for moderation on blogs but the difficulty attending moderation is age-old. If you give a small man a big discretion the small man becomes emboldened while the discretion atrophies. Having said that, I am and shall remain a fan of WOBH. I enjoy the humour and the speed with which news is broadcast.
        
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        August 9, 2017 10:09am
    - cmm
      
      “insurance”… Like the “fire insurance” you could buy from the Mob.
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:40am
    - lifesgood
      
      If you look carefully it is just a handful of commenters commenting over and over and over.
      
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      August 9, 2017 10:03am
      - VicParking
        
        Just like KB.
        
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        August 9, 2017 10:24am
    - Paulus
      
      I was banned years go for contradicting something he/his boy said.
      Have no idea what it was.
      
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      August 9, 2017 10:28am
  - dime
    
    Bhahahahaha jesus
    
    how much will it cost to call him a c**t on his own website, every day?
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:35am
    - waikatosinger
      
      I suspect he wouldn’t mind if you called him a gc.
      
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      August 9, 2017 12:58pm
- Peter
  
  This from a movement that is supposedly against “othering”
  
  You couldn’t make it up…
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:17am
Prince

The Greens say they want to ‘start a conversation about poverty’.
But point out to them that Turei was never in poverty, having the undeclared income from flatmates, the father of Piupiu and the in laws, and her own mother, and that conversation gets shut down quickly as ‘none of our business’.
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August 9, 2017 8:04am
- Lance
  
  She came through Uni without a $100K loan.
  How convenient
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:12am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    I wonder if she won any academic prizes or received any scholarship assistance? If she did, did Work and Income know about it?
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:35am
    - Paulus
      
      Did she get a Maori entry to Uni ?
      
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      August 9, 2017 10:29am
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        But that’s racist….
        
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        August 9, 2017 11:57am
- Huevon
  
  Whenever a leftist “starts a conversation”, “raises awareness” or “encourages dialogue”, you can be guaranteed that your wallet is going to be picked and your objections silenced (Bigot! Hate speech! Etc).
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:34am
  - Peter
    
    Yes. I notice they often use the phrase “we started a discussion”, usually following some attention-seeking stunt. Of course, “discussion” means “we’ll tell you what to think, talk to the hand”
    
    The left really are a basket case these days. It’s self-parody.
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:21am
    - marcw
      
      MeTu actually did the ‘talk to the hand’ thing in the lead up to the 2014 election. Remember in that minor Party Leaders’ debate – she hand blocked someone while she had the talking-stick.
      
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      August 9, 2017 10:57am
  - B.L.Zeebub
    
    I read “raise awareness” I think Fuck Off.
    
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    August 9, 2017 2:19pm
- alwyn
  
  It will also very quickly get you accused of telling lies about the Greens and get you banned. Facts have no place in her view of the world.
  I think that “Weka”, who you will note is the one promoting this lefties only “conversation”, will ban anyone who doesn’t worship at the sepulchre of Saint Metiria.
  If I was lprent I would be concerned. She will probably have a go at banishing him if he comes out with a “Vote Labour” rather than a “Vote Green”
  
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  August 9, 2017 10:37am
  - BrasellBrush
    
    I log into The Standard every day for shits an giggles, but hard lefties like weka and Draco t bastard etc, are so self absorbed in the far left you get banned for breathing a centrist or a right point of view….so now I just read and laugh…. Last election I spent alot of time on WOBH, but I like KB for the balance and varied views… you guiys rock…lol
    
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    August 10, 2017 12:23am
RalphT

I heard James Shaw quoted on the radio this morning saying that those criticising Turei were driven by prejudice (and I guess the implication is that those people should feel ashamed). Well, I have to admit that I am one of those people; I am prejudiced against people who tell lies and steal, especially when they are stealing from me. Ashamed? No way.
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August 9, 2017 8:04am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Well said Ralph. Turei has just said she hoped people would show her some compassion. I would be far more likely disposed towards compassion if she showed some humility and remorse, instead of trying to claim victim status.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:12am
  - oldpark
    
    We could give her the same compassion she give John Banks.
    Her complete denigration of John Banks character,when he was in Parliament knew no bounds.
    She made sure JohnBanks would be charged in a court of law,that caused him to pay tens of thousands of dollars to prove his innocence .
    She should also be charged with theft,of taxpayer money,except she has confessed to the crime. An open and shut case.
    Sadly poor old John Banks will not be holding his breath as crooks like Turei rarely get charged.
    
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    August 9, 2017 8:33am
- kowtow
  
  ‘the implication is that those people should feel ashamed)’
  
  and silenced. Do you want these control freaks in power?
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:20am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  How could James Shaw know what goes on inside the heads of people who criticize Turei? Can he now read minds to ascertain the existence of “wrongthink”?
  
  Criticism is a mechanism through which society seeks to resolve conflicts. Shutting criticism down is like sealing the safety valve of a pressure cooker because the sound of the hissing makes you feel “unsafe”.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:26am
- waikatogirl
  
  I heard Me Tu on the radio yesterday saying “there had been a lot of people looking into my private life and I don’t want it turning into a witch hunt.”
  
  Me Tu was not expecting public outrage and full blown investigations into her fraud against the taxpayer. Calling it a ‘witch hunt’ implies investigation is unwarranted.
  I was expecting the msm to run with the witch hunt comment. …..Crickets……
  
  Patrick Gower has just announced he does not want to talk about Me Tu any more. Instead he is on about Todd Barclay and there is something really bad going on in Southland.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:29am
  - oldpark
    
    Didnt stop Turie almost completely wrecking the private life of John Banks. The result has left John Banks and his family ,even though John found innocent ,still got ostracised by many.
    That should not be a problem for Turei,as she exposed herself and her party as being crooked by her own admission.
    The old adage rings true here. “Thieves scream the loudest when caught”.
    
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    August 9, 2017 8:55am
    - Gabby
      
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      Shagger Banksie kicked up a fair old ruckus, with his I don’t remember this and I can’t recall that and his new special witnesses.
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:05am
    - GoVege
      
      “His family”?
      Has he got round to having that DNA test yet?
      
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      August 9, 2017 2:21pm
  - Gabby
    
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    Paddy can only hold the shape of one thought at a time in his little weasel brain. Still, Horeskin can continue his in depth investigations.
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:03am
    - softail 1450
      
      are you on the liquor? I know I’m no quantum physicist but I can never make any sense out of your comments.
      
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      August 9, 2017 11:32am
  - Random T Person
    
    That’s a bit out of context. PG first spent 5 minutes on metu before moving on to the Barclay saga. He meant he no longer wanted to discuss metu as he had already said his say on her.
    
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    August 9, 2017 10:39am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Shaw’s also saying it’s about race and gender.
  Keep digging mate.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:29am
  - 3-coil
    
    Captain Mainwaring (8:29am) – I think it is more about whether she is “fit for purpose”. She has admitted to some of her (potentially criminal) misdemeanors, and even volunteered that those (well those we know about) leave her unfit to take a role in any future Cabinet.
    
    Therefore the elephant in the room is: why, if she is unfit for a senior role in any future government, does she believe she remains fit to have a leadership role in the Greens Party? Evidently the Greens have lower standards of quality control for their own leaders than all the the other NZ political parties. If the Greens continue to select leaders who choose not to, or are unable to meet the benchmark levels of accountability that all other parties adopt, why should the NZ public be expected to vote for a party that will degrade the standard of our House of Representatives?
    
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    August 9, 2017 8:54am
    - Chris R
      
      Putting her crimes aside for a moment the real problem Turei brings to the Greens/Parliament is her blind conceit. To pass through life believing you can do anything to anyone is conceit bordering on lunacy. She is in a sense a fascist given her attitude to her fellow human-beings. I find her repugnant to look at, to listen to and to imagine being anywhere near the levers of government.
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:02am
      - Gabby
        
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        Tell it to the Pricksmith chris. Tell it to the Browneye. Cos the Cowardly Coleman ain’t listening.
        
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        August 9, 2017 9:08am
      - GoVege
        
        “Repugnant to look at”?
        What are you?
        The woman has worked and studied hard and restricted her reproducing to only one well-cared for child.
        If all Maori women were like her, this country wouldn’t be in the process of being bankrupted by bludgers and their abused, neglected kids.
        (Regardless of whether Maori males are prepared to support their kids or not.)
        
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        August 9, 2017 5:11pm
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      The latest, she is saying that in hindsight she should have paid the money back before going public with it…
      She has completely missed what people are saying. Yes they think she broke the law, but they are most pissed off about the fact she is so proud of it, shows no remorse and then admitted to further fraud. She lied about why she did it, she lied about actually being in poverty, she lied about the support she was receiving from family etc…
      Can’t she see that it was these reasons that people want her gone and why she is incapable of being seen as valid in parliament by normal people.
      And the MSM give her another free pass.
      This election is driving me crazy. I can’t wait for it to all be over and we can get back to life again.
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:25am
      - Random T Person
        
        I’m loving this election. More fun than you can shake a stick at.
        
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        August 9, 2017 10:41am
      - waikatosinger
        
        Count your blessings. It is the first Hager-free election we’ve had for bloody ages.
        
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        August 9, 2017 11:08am
      - GoVege
        
        For all we know, her in-laws may have given her nothing!!
        Rich people tend to be like that…that’s how they GET rich!
        
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        August 9, 2017 5:05pm
    - Paulus
      
      I actually think she will be gone after the Election instead of before.
      Wussel will give her a tea lady job to augment her large MP’s pension.
      
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      August 9, 2017 10:33am
  - kowtow
    
    Everything is these days , identity politics.
    
    Nothing to do with real ‘equality’ , the old fashioned equality before the law.
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:00am
  - Rich Prick
    
    He must be holding “fat-shaming” back for later. I know, it’s one of the more modern sins, maybe they’re still getting used to it.
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:17am
  - holysheet
    
    Of course it’s about race and gender.
    Turei is a maori and a female. What else can we assume?
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:20am
  - RalphT
    
    Probably hoping that he comes out in North Korea.
    
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    August 9, 2017 11:52am
- cmm
  
  Having lived in South Africa with about 50% unemployment, high crime and high real poverty, I can accept that people can be driven to crime to feed their kids. I know I certainly would.
  
  But MeTu surely had access to the material support of the Hartleys, with Ann Hartley being a mayor.
  
  There was no need to commit crime to support poor little baby Piupiu.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:35am
  - tas
    
    Turei could have asked for support from the father and the grandparents before resorting to fraud. The suggestion that she had to choose between starvation and fraud is bullshit. I can’t believe they expect the public to buy that.
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:22am
    - cmm
      
      “Turei could have asked for support from the father and the grandparents before resorting to fraud. ”
      
      I’ll bet she was getting all the financial support she needed from them.
      
      The DPB was just sitting there like a tempting Mallow Puff that you eat even though you’re stuffed to the gills.
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:33am
      - GoVege
        
        Sorry but the law is a woman on her own with a child and no job is entitled to the DPB.
        Just like every Kiwi over 65, regardless of their assets, is entitled to national superannuation.
        I wonder how many decline to accept that?
        
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        August 9, 2017 2:26pm
      - Southern Raider
        
        GoVege
        
        FFs It’s not an upsize option at McDonalds e.g. I’ll take the the father payments and upsize it with the DPB
        
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        August 9, 2017 3:07pm
      - cmm
        
        GoVege: Where’s the evidence of being on her own?
        
        She was sharing accommodations with others and should have declared that at least.
        
        And it is very different to the super. That is sold to us as being a bit like a government savings scheme. If I draw from that I’ve paiid into it. It is not me ripping it off.
        
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        August 9, 2017 3:22pm
      - GoVege
        
        Don’t be silly, cmm.
        Her flatmates weren’t supporting her and the baby.
        All taxpayers pay for the dpb and superannuation.
        Plenty of them including the latter have only paid a fraction of the benefit they receive.
        
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        August 9, 2017 3:36pm
    - srylands
      
      The other day I politely pointed out at The Standard that the father could have been expected to support his child. Just for fun. And I got banned as I knew I would. Again 🙂
      
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      August 9, 2017 10:02am
      - BassilFawlty
        
        srylands, that made me chuckle. How perverted for you to suggest a father look after his child, that’s the state’s job after all.
        
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        August 9, 2017 10:35am
      - cmm
        
        No it’s the state’s job to pay for all children.
        
        All money should go to the state, then the state hands it out as the state sees fit.
        
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        August 9, 2017 11:03am
      - GoVege
        
        Well that’s true.
        Sounds like he didn’t want to.
        MT said he took off with another woman.
        Surely he is the one who should be copping the flak, not the woman left holding the baby?
        
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        August 9, 2017 2:29pm
- G152
  
  There are many (thousands) who never ripped the benefit off and got through that period of their life.
  Turei is a thief and should be treated as such.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:42am
  - niggly
    
    Is there a word in the dictionary for a person who is a “self-entitled thief”?
    
    If not perhaps there needs to be one, what would it be ….
    
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    August 9, 2017 8:49am
    - Lance
      
      Imelda Marcos?
      
      Not so much a word as an embodiment
      
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      August 9, 2017 8:58am
    - waikatogirl
      
      ‘Turei” : bereft of ethics, amoral, a liar, a cheat, and a fraudster.”
      
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      August 9, 2017 8:58am
      - sooty
        
        Like the Earl of Sandwhich, invented sandwhich Duke of Wellington, the gumboot.
        Me Tu, the Turei effect.
        
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        August 9, 2017 10:23am
  - GoVege
    
    B/s G152.
    Western civilization is built on the premise that men support their wives and children.
    God forbid that I want to see anyone else subjected to this witch hunt…but the real culprit is the dead-beat dad.
    It offends me that so many want to put the boot into the mum.
    She at least married the father of her child.
    There are hundreds of real bludgers in this country dragging up half a dozen poor little urchins who probably have no idea or interest in who the father is.
    He is just the sperm donor to their easy ride through life.
    
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    August 9, 2017 3:42pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Perhaps Shaw has a point, fraudsters disgust me. I’m sure at some point they will be declared a special minority deserving of the Left’s care.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:49am
  - RalphT
    
    And with careful nurturing by the Greens they will become the majority.
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:27am
- KevOB
  
  “..those criticising Turei were driven by prejudice..”
  
  No. With Turei it was postjudice. She delighted in making an issue publicly out of her proudly self ascribed wrong doing. Then judgement followed.
  
  The more the Greens attempt justification the further their fall.
  
  SJW meets sociopath.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:27am
Dafixeruppa

I was thinking last night that maybe Metiria thinks of her “indiscretion” as no more than the old Gay laws.
If Greens have their hands on the reins, they will legalise ripping off the welfare system and then she can retrospectively get an apology and pardon.
This will then show that she did nothing wrong as the law at the time must have been wrong.
Edit: I was going to say that she thinks the law was just a pain in the ass… but then I would need to explain it to some on here…
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August 9, 2017 8:05am
- RalphT
  
  And following the retrospective pardon can we perhaps expect some compensation, to make amends for the taxpayer not having paid her the proper amount of benefit to which she was (self) entitled?
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:22am
duggledog

Man, Metiria Turei is a master bullshitter.

She did well deflecting Susie Ferguson on Morning report today, who didn’t get a scalp that is still just sitting there, ripe for the plucking.

As we all know, the one chink in Metiria’s bullshit armour is the disparity between her statement about being a poor struggling solo mum with a baby – and the revelation her baby’s father is from a wealthy family, and was possibly even letting her stay at his house he owned.

As the PM has noted, it’s not the lie, it’s the justification of the lie. This ain’t over.

By the way, Morning Report also stated that Seymour floated a rumour about Turei yesterday but they wouldn’t repeat it as it was unsubstantiated.

What was the rumour, and why hasn’t RNZ gone and found out whether it is true or not?
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August 9, 2017 8:07am
- oldgolfer
  
  I don’t know, but sure as hell I want to find out.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:15am
- Colville
  
  I messaged him on FB, I wonder if David will share 🙂
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:26am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Seymour stated last week that he had been given information not yet in the public domain. Perhaps he is insuring himself by verifying it before he goes public.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:31am
  - Colville
    
    KS.
    Since when do pollies need facts?
    Winston has been spouting total unsubstantiated bullshit for 30 years and has a LOT more support than Seymour!
    
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    August 9, 2017 8:43am
    - Huevon
      
      If you are going to deliver the coup de grace, it’s best to catch your enemy off guard. Let the odious Turei build herself up a little more. Let the lies pile just a bit higher, the sanctimonious self-regard become a little more inflated. Let a few more Greens tie their colours to Matiria’s disgustingly bloated mast.
      
      Seymour is a decent guy. I’m don’t think he would be comfortable with some of the darker arts of politics. If you’re reading David, have courage. You will be doing a great service to your country.
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:22am
      - oldgolfer
        
        MeTu also said this morning there was nothing more about her life to come, and she said it with such insincerity that we can be sure there is more to come. Keep at it, Mr Seymour. You have our full attention.
        
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        August 9, 2017 9:51am
    - Random T Person
      
      Seymour is not like Peters. Seymour has decency and morals – maybe because he is still young, but anyway.
      
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      August 9, 2017 10:01am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        I’m sure they can beat that out of him
        
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        August 9, 2017 12:39pm
- tf78
  
  Do you remember a few weeks ago when Metiria accused Winston of being racist he said something along the lines that if she said things like that there would be “consequences” – do you think he is behind it.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:35am
- Gabby
  
  Wouldn’t be the first wealthy family that left the taxpayer to clean up their mess.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:12am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    I didn’t know you were wealthy Gabby
    
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    August 9, 2017 12:39pm
    - Random T Person
      
      Maybe not but most assuredly a mess.
      
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      August 9, 2017 2:50pm
- tas
  
  Let’s not repeat unsubstantiated rumours. The facts are damaging enough.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:24am
- Huevon
  
  The pig is going to be stuck. Just you wait.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:59am
Right of way is Way of Right

As the gift that keeps on giving, Metiria Turei’s disclosures and accompanying investigation in to her somewhat less than exemplary behaviour have been wonderful to behold.

As Shaw has been placed front and centre trying, and failing, to deal with the never ending fallout from this issue, he has been shown to be ineffectual in the extreme. It has become quite clear who holds the reins of power in the Greens, and it isn’t him!

There has been a twist to the narrative attempted by the Greens in that they are now determined to spin the investigation in to Turei’s actions as being racist and sexist. Nothing could be further from the truth. The electorate simply seeks accountability. Should we look at Turei’s decisions and excuse them, based on the fact
that she is a female, and Tangata Whenua? Surely that is holding someone to a different standard based on their ethnicity and gender! What’s that called again? Oh yes, that’s right, it’s called racism and sexism! So let’s turn that spin off right now.

Let’s drill down to the heart of the matter. This situation has not arisen from any issues to do with Turei’s gender or ancestry, it has everything to do with the choices she made.

Who chose to have unprotected sex? Given the fact that after the birth of the child, Turei was happy to have her address listed at the home of the child’s father, so we can rule out a one night stand!

Who chose to lie about her living situation in order to defraud the New Zealand taxpayer, rather than work with the father of the child in order to ensure that the needs of the child were being met by both parents?

Who chose to lie about living with her mother?

Who chose to maintain the fictional facade of integrity until the story got out, and she had to front foot it?

Who chose to use the Green Party as a bunch of unwilling spin doctors in order to ensure that her story was dealt with in the best way possible?

Who chose to honour her championing of the poor and poverty stricken in $2,000 designer jackets in the house?

Who chose to remain silent as two members of the Green Party had their work ethic and integrity challenged by some Green Party functionary while she remained unchallenged as to her behaviour?

There lies the heart of the matter. At every point from the time she fell pregnant until this week, when Turei has been placed in a position of making a moral and ethical choice, she invariably chooses the path which makes her life easier, not caring who is required to make a sacrifice to ensure that her life continues on it’s merry
way.

She is bereft of ethics, amoral, a liar, a cheat, and a fraudster.

Being a leader does not mean that you make the easy choices, it means you make the hard ones. This is something that she is clearly unable, or unwilling to do.

On that basis alone, she is unfit to be in Parliament. Kennedy Graham and David Clendon knew this. They are a loss to the Greens, and to NZ.

Someone in the Green Party needs to grow a pair, and take her down!
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August 9, 2017 8:08am
- oldgolfer
  
  Well said, Right of Way – and we should know why Graham and Clendon are now off limits to the media.
  It is clear now that having had their say, they have been gagged.
  So much for the party of rights and rip-offs.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:18am
- KevOB
  
  “She is bereft of ethics, amoral, a liar, a cheat, and a fraudster.”
  
  A sociopath.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:22am
  - tf78
    
    Narcissist I think.
    
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    August 9, 2017 8:38am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      The kind of political party that “knows what’s best for the people” would tend to attract sociopathic narcissists, I think.
      
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      August 9, 2017 8:48am
      - simpleton1
        
        And now with the cleansing within that party, that is just what is left.
        The ” sociopathic narcissists”
        
        Birds of a feather gather together.
        
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        August 9, 2017 10:04am
  - Random T Person
    
    I would hesitate to make armchair psychiatric diagnoses. It just makes one look foolish. Even folk qualified to do so are unlikely to so indulge themselves.
    
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    August 9, 2017 10:46am
- cmm
  
  She does not really care about the poor, she’s just milking them for power.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:40am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    A party “for the poor and the victimized” will want to have as many poor and victimized people as possible for their voter base.
    
    The risk of solving a problem is that it may put the problem-solver out of business.
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:46am
- KevOB
  
  They seem to be all the same so they all will fall.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:31am
holysheet

Bigfoot found
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/08/08/bigfoot-reportedly-spotted-in-north-carolina-forest.html
I could have told them that he’s alive and unwell here in New Zealand. Gareth Morgan has his big feet firmly in his mouth.
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August 9, 2017 8:10am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  Urban Sasquatch sighting
  https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5c2_1502076557
  
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  August 9, 2017 2:25pm
Paulus

I never thought I would agree with anything Rachel Stewart says but today in the NZME pot the article on the Liar, Thief and Cheat Turei is spot on.
She deplores the fact that the Greens and their associates, who all publically support her stance, blame the media for the current situation.
Wow, Turei and this morning Genter publically support her is a very sad indictment of the morality in our Society.
If this is the Green basis for existence the sooner they collapse the better, but that will not happen because of like minded zealots.
That it appears that Cinderella has not condemned her it is equally deplorable.
Is this the way of the future for our children and grandchildren to recognise that Theft, Lying and Fraud are OK as long as they get whatever they think they are owed.
Sad, very Sad.
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August 9, 2017 8:10am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Material Tudei
  Immaterial Tumoro.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:15am
  - GazzaW
    
    …….better than Gobby’s efforts Don. But only just.
    
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    August 9, 2017 11:07am
- Keeping Stock
  
  For those who are interested, here’s the link:
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11900072
  
  I seldom agree with Ms Stewart, but on this occasions she is right on the money. Her conclusion especially is mandatory reading:
  
  Bottom line: Metiria Turei made a miscalculation when she freely revealed her past. It looks and feels like it was a cynical decision solely designed to move the Greens forward in the polls. It’s backfired.
  
  Now, the Greens see it as everyone else’s fault. Those who disagree with the morality of her past lies are written off as racists, misogynists, haters of the poor, lovers of the rich, white, privileged – you know the drill.
  
  For me, it comes down to this. Dress it up as a morality play all you like. Rich, poor, rightwing, leftwing, tax evasion, benefit fibs. Nobody should steal from taxpayers. And no amount of diversion tactics changes that fact. Turning Turei’s voluntary pronouncement into some virtuous act of heroism is so far off the mark, the Greens have ended up shooting themselves in the foot. Which may explain why they are limping.
  
  Blaming the media – or anyone – for a political misfire of the Greens’ own making, is about as pointless as expecting sharks to stop liking blood. Not going to happen.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:16am
  - calendar girl
    
    I don’t regard quite as readily as Rachel Stewart does the disclosure of Turei’s WINZ benefit fraud as a “voluntary pronouncement”.
    
    To do so detracts from the plausible theory (and rumour) that she was about to be sprung.
    
    Now it doesn’t matter – she has finally ‘resigned’.
    
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    August 9, 2017 5:32pm
- Happychappy
  
  Winston has been doing the same for a couple of decades.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:19am
  - KevOB
    
    He has never been tainted with personal dishonesty.
    
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    August 9, 2017 8:23am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I can’t agree with that Kev; have you forgotten the Owen Glenn donation and the “NO” sign that saw him censured by Parliament?
      
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      August 9, 2017 8:33am
- Gabby
  
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  I must have missed the crushing rebukes of Bingles and Pullya.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:15am
- simpleton1
  
  Comrade Jacinda seeks coalition with James Shaw.
  
  James Shaw is a great supporter of Metiria Turei.
  
  All great comrades together.
  
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  August 9, 2017 10:09am
Paulus Gnome

WO; there are more than Isuzu and the Israeli Embassy who pay for content?

Did Judith not continue with the koha?

The chip wrapper tells us: ‘Lawyer waged ‘personal vendetta’ against ex husband and Kristin School head Peter Clague’

‘Evidence included a trove of emails and text messages between Denham and PR merchant Carrick Graham, who helped organise damaging, paid posts about Clague and Kristin School on the Whale Oil attack blog.’

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11899963

Appreciate what we have with DPF team.
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August 9, 2017 8:11am
- MGT
  
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  the DPF team? They’re the same as the WO team aren’t they?
  
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/the_winnebago_blogmobile.html
  
  “Barrons Recreational Vehicles in Taupo has donated the use of a Winnebago Motorhome to myself and Whale Oil for the election campaign.”
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:37am
  - Colville
    
    9 years ago?
    I think you will find DPF has significantly upgraded the quality of bunkmate in that time 🙂
    
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    August 9, 2017 8:47am
    - MGT
      
      3 years ago they were still joined at the hip.
      
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      August 9, 2017 8:50am
      - john1234
        
        How so?
        
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        August 9, 2017 9:28am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      Kiwiblog – more National, Whaleoil, presently, more Winston Peters.
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:31am
- kowtow
  
  Faaaarrk, no taming that shrew.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:05am
oldpark

Green/Liebour not only joined at the hip,they are stapled and bolted at the hip. Two cases in point. Both parties are out to gouge the taxpayer by any which way.
Turei the” toxic greenie” steals from the taxpayer by way of benefit fraud.
“Commie chic” Ardern from the Lie-bour Party ,in the job five minutes,has come up with a fuel tax,and now it seems another tax could be introduced today.It will be known as a tax on water. Electricity generation needs water,and a tax on that would permeate through the whole nation ,putting the cost of almost everything sky high. The type of tax gouging,will just be a start for the “Commie Chic” Ardern.
Yes Green /Liebour Party bolted at the hip,have a lot in common,to tax and steal from the taxpayer any which way,whatever it takes.
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August 9, 2017 8:14am
- niggly
  
  The political counter narrative needs to be along the lines of “these new taxes are an attack on the poor”, or “these new taxes will make child poverty worse” etc!
  
  All true – new water taxes and increased petrol taxes will affect all those that can least afford it, especially people on struggle street!
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:55am
  - Gabby
    
    But everyone’s flush, they’ll just laugh at your poverty nonsense. People welcome new taxes as a sign of their success and prosperity.
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:19am
    - niggly
      
      Heh don’t give Jacinda ideas, next we’ll hear from her something like “Comrades, our new Labour Government in September will deliver success and prosperity for all, Comrades … to achieve that though we must all pay our share of new taxes Comrades which will assist to us to attain that goal quickly for the betterment of all …. Comrades”!” 😉
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:32am
Happychappy

Winston First and Loyd Burr at it again yesterday with nothing better to offer other than childish name calling, if any other MP did the same from another Party Peters would be calling them a bully that should not be in Parliament. Peters wants to play a game with Bill English and the 450 text messages when asked to front up and produce fact instead of fiction reverts to nothing more than a child throwing his toys out of the cot.
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August 9, 2017 8:15am
- KevOB
  
  Peters is sick.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:25am
  - Paulus
    
    No – he is not sick – he has given up smoking which anybody who has done that feels sick.
    Emphysema (lung damage) the product of years of smoking, makes him miserable and tetchy, so he will try anything to get attention.
    He is getting into his dottage which affects us all as we get older.
    I know.
    
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    August 9, 2017 8:33am
    - lifesgood
      
      What about the drinking? Half the time in the house he seems emotional and confused.
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:02am
      - alwyn
        
        Please, let us have the correct phrasing.
        The traditional wording is “Tired and emotional”
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tired_and_emotional
        On the other hand I see that this can be considered to be defamatory so your description may be safer.
        Actually the poor old fellow really is getting past it. He tried to ask a supplementary question in the House yesterday without remembering he had to ask the primary question first (Question 11 yesterday)
        
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        August 9, 2017 10:52am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      Perhaps he finally has his patch – nicotine patch, not gang patch.
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:25am
- waikatogirl
  
  Anyone else get the feeling the msm are salivating to get Bill’s text messages released for more than what is directly related to the Todd Barclay employment issues.
  Gower and others keep implying about a text message sent at 1.30am to Glenys, Bill’s former electorate manager and friend.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:50am
  - niggly
    
    I wish we could get to see alot of Winston Peter’s text messages, ya know, from scum that feed him scandalous but dubious “tidbits” anonymously, I’m sure it would be quite interesting as it would reveal their wider agendas and whether there is any quid pro quo involved. Talk about real dirty politics at play?
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:01am
    - MGT
      
      Can Winston txt?
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:10am
  - tf78
    
    I thought I heard earlier on the ZB news that Bill ‘received’ 450 texts – not sure if I mis-heard or not. End of the day who cares.
    
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    August 9, 2017 10:26am
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t Glenys now working for Winston’s Party in Southland.
    I assume her long term loyalty has been bought by Winston.
    Hence he has the txt’s etc from Bill English and her replies.
    
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    August 9, 2017 1:37pm
- Gabby
  
  I hope someone else in the party has copies of the texts chappy. It would be crappy if Win popped his clogs and they went missing again.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:20am
holysheet

http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2017/08/08/chinese-restaurant-blasted-for-offering-discount-based-on-bra-size.html

Me tu would eat here for free as often as she liked.
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August 9, 2017 8:16am
- Gabby
  
  So could you wholly shit, so could you.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:22am
Huevon

One gets the feeling that the Greens have lost their innocence. They made a Faustian pact with the Devil (in fat, frog-faced form, ugly as sin) and now chaos abounds. Lies pile upon lies. Lines are crossed, principles compromised, etc etc. Things will never be the same again.
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August 9, 2017 8:17am
wiseowl

Early discussions about Labours big announcement today speculate about whether they will come up with a charge for water bottling or whether it will be across the board.
It will be nonsensical to introduce a charge for water but to me the big issue is why have the media not pursued National over the water issue where clearly the Maori Party are angling at owning and charging for water but National have given no clear direction on the issue.
They appear to be cuddling up to Moori and if back in power there is the clear possibility that they would keel over and give water to Moori.
Watch the charges come out then.
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August 9, 2017 8:20am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Who are Moori wiseowl? Initially I thought you’d made a typo, but then you repeated it in the next line.
  
  You don’t have to agree with issues and decisions about Maori, but name-calling is pretty low-rent, petty stuff, don’t you think?
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:11am
  - wiseowl
    
    After listening to parliament today the performance of Kelvin Davis may exlain why I am fast losing respect for the elite or priveleged Moori that pursue separateness and special treatment.To talk of a wage gap between Moori and what he referred to as pakeha , which I detest and consider insulting, was just so illuminating because it is such a devisive way to look at what is a non issue.
    To have Steven Joyce to even acknowledge such a thing as a wage gap between a race and the rest is truly appalling.
    
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    August 9, 2017 6:11pm
- Happychappy
  
  wiseowl : Well it would be better than cuddling up to the fraudulent moori co Leader of your Green Party. They are doing it for their people Turei was doing it for herself and that’s greed.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:17am
- 4077th
  
  Voters just love new taxes. Just ask silent T and Parker how a proposed CGT went down with the voters. This is nothing more than a grab for the Greens disaffected by MeTu. It’s a stupid idea in any election campaign to propose more consumer taxes.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:45am
- Chris R
  
  Yep; Labour are going to charge royalties on water which monies will be used to clean-up the rivers and lakes. Labour will “work with Iwi’ to do so. In other words this is another Treaty rort through stealth. Labour believes it has open reins to treat us all as though we’re stupid, deaf and blind! Labour is a despicable unthinking crew.
  
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  August 9, 2017 11:29am
- Paulus
  
  That will put up the price of Coca Cola and similar drinks which are virtually all sugar and water.
  What about the fools who pay money for a bottle of water when they could be something like 20 bottles from a tap at the same price.
  Beer will have to go up too !
  
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  August 9, 2017 1:39pm
oldpark

Notice another so called “Greenie” has jumped ship,not wanting to be part of the mafia type corrupt present day Green Party controlled by the self confessed crook Turei.
Of course if it wasn’t for a radio news report,one would not have known.
Once more the news hacks in the Doom-Post in Wellington preferred to virtually ignore it. Even though the Party jumper was a “green candidate” in Hutt Valley.
What is it with the type of news outlets in NZ ,who choose to either hide or put out fake news if it dosn’t suit their bias.
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August 9, 2017 8:23am
- Prince
  
  Ardern let the secret out at the end of her media conference yesterday.
  The media are now part of her ‘team’.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:51am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  To be fair oldpark it does seem that she got a job offer she couldn’t refuse and this is nothing to do with the Turei meltdown.
  Will make it a lot tougher for Chris Bishop though as the Green candidate got 3200 votes last time, most of which will go straight to Ginny Anderson.
  I wouldn’t write him off though as he has a huge local presence.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:56am
  - oldpark
    
    Maybe. Rumour also has it Lie-bour/has told their partners in slime green mafia,to tell their candidate to withdraw,as you point out to help the carpet bagger Anderson,beat the favourite for National Chris Bishop.
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:42am
  - cmm
    
    Naah. She’s way down the list and was hoping for a spot. Clearly not going to happen now, so she had a line in the water looking for a good job.
    
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    August 9, 2017 10:02am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    She accepted it in July, it was always for the party vote, it would seem that she now thinks that it is a waste of time.
    I can also imagine that her new employer would not wish for her to be associated with the Greens at the moment as it might reflect badly on them.
    
    I assume that they knew that she was running during the employment process, her Green ‘credentials’ may also have helped her to get the position. She was after all already gainfully employed and had multiple irons in the fire.
    
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    August 9, 2017 11:12am
Scorpion

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August 9, 2017 8:24am
- rangitoto
  
  Two ticks blue. Will do.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:35am
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu. Yu du.
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:25am
- MrTips
  
  Erm…two pills blue more like.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:52am
Captain Mainwaring

I see that the phantom downticker was here until about 8.20, but has now gone off duty.
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August 9, 2017 8:27am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If the downticker left at 8:20 to go to work, at least he might prove to be a working, tax-paying member of society…?
  
  (I live in hope.)
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:50am
Simon

James Shaw ha ha ha. With those two Green MPs erased from history no male member of the green caucus has a bollock to spare between them
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August 9, 2017 8:29am
- niggly
  
  Hmm, do I see a new name in there … James Haw Haw … co-chief Propagandist for the Green Party, telling the nation that black is white and white is black when it comes to Turei’s self-entitled deceit and dishonesty?
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:16am
  - Gabby
    
    That’s a bit wiggly niggly.
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:26am
  - Happychappy
    
    James Shaw might just wish he had thought about endorsing Turei as the shit is about to hit the fan with more revelations about the Fraud. Just maybe the media might have asked Questions of the father who had a great job and I would think a very good wage when employed by Lion Breweries would not pay for his child and let them live in one of their house’s with a acceptable rent. There seems to be a lot more questions to be asked yet from a Leader that condemns other like in the disgusting speech on the day John Key retired from being Prime Minister.
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:48am
Simon

Given the dead ender vote Garry Morgan must be really pissed off he didn’t commit benefit fraud at some point
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August 9, 2017 8:33am
- holysheet
  
  He ran his kiwisaver scheme into the ground. Only selling out to Kiwibank saved his sorry arse.
  Does this count?
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:14am
VicParking

The Greens would rather let the water run into the sea than let the “Rich Pricks” make money from and improve the countries balance of payments. Farmers have only just recovered from Fontera’s milk price fiasco. Now Liebour and the Greens will tax and restrict their herd sizes putting them all out of business. But dont worry we can all go on the dole for life and the Government will raise it to the living wage to bring us all out of poverty. On top of that Declare you are a Maori and you will never to go to Prison. Two ticks BLUE
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August 9, 2017 8:52am
- mandk
  
  “The Greens would rather let the water run into the sea than let the “Rich Pricks” make money from and improve the countries balance of payments.”
  
  Problem is, it’s not just the Greens that think this way.
  
  The country needs a sane, properly informed debate about how water is used, taking account of rainfall, hydrology, competing uses etc.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:07am
  - KevOB
    
    The government has sufficient advisors already. There is a enormous surplus of water so any taxation is an equity matter. There may may be local supply issues but they are being dealt with.
    Socialists must tax else the state be seen to lose control. So ideology again turns into strife. How can we tax a foreign owned bottler without offending international investors? Can we tax farmers out of existence so we have to import food? Only in a cow-free world could such folly be considered.
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:57am
    - Southern Raider
      
      I think the endless Govt advisors, Councils protecting their arses etc are making the problem worse rather than helping
      
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      August 9, 2017 3:17pm
EAD_TWO

Surprised no-one on GD has picked up this story yet:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-07/google-fires-author-outrageous-memo-slamming-companys-anti-conservative-culture

This Google employee made a brave attempt to point out the bollocks of “diversity & equality” that has gripped big business and the State and make us realise that the differences between men and women are fundamental and need to be known to make society function.

But the way Google have treated this employees and his “free speech” been clamped down hard on, like the threats by CNN to destroy the individual that mockes them, makes it very clear that there’s a very sinister agenda going on around of massive corporations in the pocket of the deep state.

Google – “Do no evil“..

Yeah right…
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August 9, 2017 8:56am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Brave? Please, he’s just a modern idiot who doesn’t understand computing overall, thinking it’s a gamer’s paradise rather than a huge part of the business world which requires people and coding skills.
  
  The first programmer ever, btw, was a woman.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:01am
  - kowtow
    
    The modern idiots are the ones imposing left wing “progressive” PC culture on all and sundry .
    From the article
    “James Damore, a chess master who studied at Harvard, Princeton and MIT and worked at the search engine’s Mountain View HQ in California, caused outrage when he circulated a manifesto at the weekend complaining about Google’s “ideological echo chamber” and claiming women have lower tolerance of stress and that conservatives are more conscientious.”
    
    And talking about wimmin and stress and PC bullshit culture , how’s this for us breeding an over entitled soft generation of failures.
    
    ‘A law graduate is suing Oxford University for loss of earnings after completing her degree a year late due to mental health problems, as experts report a surge in lawsuits from a generation of students who are “aware” of their rights.’
    
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/08/07/students-sue-oxford-discrimination-amid-surge-mental-health/
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:11am
    - Gabby
      
      Jim’s welcoming this opportunity to show his superior stress management skilz.
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:30am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Kowtow,
      
      In reading the article, I can understand why Oxford is being sued. Back in the day, these “soft failures” would have never attempted to go to university in the first place, or they would have tried and failed, but without the huge student loan to go with it.
      
      Now that they are fee-paying students with loans, they expect to get something back for their investment, especially if the university is supposed to provide it under current laws.
      
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      August 9, 2017 12:38pm
  - MH
    
    The first programmer was a woman….
    
    Eve, with a contract with Apple I presume ?
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:12am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Have to acknowledge that your comment is funny.
      
      However, a history lesson is needed (maybe not for you, I can’t tell).
      
      Augusta Ada King-Noel, Countess of Lovelace (née Byron; 10 December 1815 – 27 November 1852) was an English mathematician and writer, chiefly known for her work on Charles Babbage’s proposed mechanical general-purpose computer, the Analytical Engine. She was the first to recognise that the machine had applications beyond pure calculation, and created the first algorithm intended to be carried out by such a machine. As a result, she is often regarded as the first to recognise the full potential of a “computing machine” and the first computer programmer.
      
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      August 9, 2017 10:00am
      - waikatosinger
        
        I see your point. But even if you think the guy who wrote the memo is wrong in much of what he says, do you think it was reasonable to sack him for wrongthink?
        
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        August 9, 2017 11:25am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        For wrong-think, no.
        
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        August 9, 2017 12:31pm
      - Paulus
        
        There are Babbage family in New Zealand – direct descendants.
        
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        August 9, 2017 1:43pm
    - kowtow
      
      Not Eve’s fault, the devil made her do it. Lack of personal responsibility has been around for a very long time.
      
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      August 9, 2017 11:01am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Lucia – I think a Harvard educated Senior Software Engineer at Google knows a little bit more about the industry than a blogger from Nzconservative.co.nz
    
    All of the top tech achievers/inventors of the last 50 years are 100% white males.
    
    Bill Gates
    Larry Ellison
    Dennis Ritchie
    Steve Jobs
    Ramus Lerdorf
    Tim Berners-Lee
    Larry Page
    Steve Wozniak
    John Mcafee
    Phillipe Khan
    
    Like females minds are more inclined to careers in Nursing and Teaching, men’s minds are more wires towards tech.
    
    Females minds are more inclined to careers in Nursing and Teaching, men’s minds are more wires towards tech. And here’s the thing Lucia – there is nothing wrong with men and women being different.
    
    Sure there have been the odd parachuted “equal opportunities” female CEOs in tech (Yahoo, Google), but name me some who have actually invented and founded such tech companies
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:14am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      Ever hear of a woman called Marie Curie?
      Although with limiting your time frame to only the last 50 years, you can be forgiven 🙂
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:31am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Yeah – but the fembots always have an answer.
        It would be 50/50 but . . . *fill in with nonsense*
        
        Social programming of young girls.
        Classroom discrimination.
        Unconscious bias.
        Blah blah blah.
        
        Women – never wrong, must have last word.
        And they’ll blame men for that too.
        
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        August 10, 2017 6:46am
    - MH
      
      one only has to refer to the Rules Of Rugby Union Football to know there is a significant lack of understanding from the fairer sex about things that really matter.
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:33am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Brave lol
        
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        August 9, 2017 1:17pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      EAD,
      
      A “Harvard educated Senior Software Engineer at Google” is most likely to be in his mid to late 20s and still be wet be wet behind the ears while thinking he knows it all.
      
      This NZ Blogger has been around, worked in the tech industry for nearly 2 decades before stopping for a while to have children, still has a husband in tech, brother’s in law in tech (yes, that ‘s’ is not a mistake), one of them having worked for Google in Oz for a number of years, and now has a son at university training to be a software engineer.
      
      While as you know fuck all about tech, except for what you read.
      
      So, this 20-something year old very likely has little experience with working with women in tech because the numbers have dropped dramatically over the last few decades. Prior to the 90’s, the numbers of female programmers were very high. I have worked with a lot of female programmers as well as a few males, and honestly, the women were better at it.
      
      Funny thing with tech – men are more likely to get funding help for business ideas than women, so it’s not surprising that you’ve listed some well-known business men who made their money in computing. That does not mean that those listed are the only top inventors/achievers, as you can invent something and have it be crucial, yet almost invisible. The tech world is like that, we work in multi-dimensional alternate realities that are easily understood by mere mortals such as yourself.
      
      I have no problem the idea that men and women are different, but with regards to tech, you have no idea what you are talking about.
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:33am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        You come across as if you couldn’t even programme a freakin microwave to heat up some two minute noodles.
        
        Multi-dimensional alternate realities ?
        What on earth are you on about ?
        Is that serious ?
        
        I love Maggy – she’s supercool. She’s a chick. Super smart. She makes sense to me. You don’t.
        
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        August 10, 2017 6:57am
- realityczech
  
  This is simply because our modern society is controlled by women. Women think their feelings are more important than facts, freedom, or anything else.
  
  They are a destructive force that need to be controlled. All the old cultures knew this.
  
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  August 9, 2017 6:00pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Enjoying your trolling?
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:18pm
Inandout

James Shaw has been speaking to his parents for advice on Me Tu:

‘Mothers, do you think she’s good enough? (for me?)
Mothers, do you think she’s dangerous? (tell me?)
Mothers, will she tear your little boy apart?
Ooh, aah, mothers, will she break my heart?’
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August 9, 2017 9:02am
- 4077th
  
  Mothers, do you think she’ll try to break my balls? (already done)
  Mothers, will they put me in the firing line? (already full of holes)
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:56am
  - BassilFawlty
    
    Has James’s balls in a jar, and he is in the firing line.
    
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    August 9, 2017 11:58am
  - Gabby
    
    Back in the 8063rd we were always patching up blokes from the firing line. No mothers though.
    
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    August 9, 2017 10:47pm
cas

RIP Glen Campbell
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August 9, 2017 9:03am
- RalphT
  
  A great career, but a sad ending. First drinking issues and then Alzheimer’s; I’ll remember the 1960s and not the last 20 years.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:09am
  - 4077th
    
    With respect to musicians and sports stars, I will always reference George Best, “I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered”.
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:58am
tvb

WO did jump the shark when he set himself up as the New Zealand Likud Branch after a sponsored trip to Israel. Their investment did pay off. Middle New Zealand is not keen on rampant Israeli fundamentalism boardering on Apartheit. It is contrary to the approach we have taken in the country and our long history of being opposed to racial segregation – even if we are not perfect.
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August 9, 2017 9:05am
MH

why is there institutionalised inertia in not laying charges against Turei the Tuatara. Depts must be seen to act and not hamstrung by Ministers interference ? Who is holding back the dogs?
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August 9, 2017 9:09am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Maybe if Labour, the Greens and that other overpaid individual in NZ First cobble together a government, the charge could be laid then and Turei would be out, turmoil might ensue.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:18am
- Keeping Stock
  
  MH – the MSD might be constrained by a small thing called evidence. I understand it’s rather important to have it before taking a case to court.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:18am
  - MH
    
    didn’t she admit fraud on TV ?
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:46am
  - KevOB
    
    Correct. The authorities may get agreement on what she is to pay back but fall far short of the meticulous proof required for a criminal prosecution. Her public admissions are not sufficient as evidence. Are they even true? Evidence needs proof.
    Such proof could take months of work and that has to be balanced against other needs. MT is also highly visible and a known scrapper. It is highly unlikely anything will eventuate this side of 6 months. The matter is with the people at present.
    Be assured that MT will not escape. The odium of her party will be visited on her as she continues to justify her conduct. Also should she take a seat in the next Parliament all except her party mates, if any, will give her a wide berth. It is possible a privilege case could be instigated. I don’t expect her to survive there more than six months. MP’s are fussy about their associations.
    Sometimes justice is also found outside the Police Courts.
    
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    August 9, 2017 10:25am
- Gabby
  
  Woodlouse insisted the whole visas for cash Indian business be investigated and sorted out first, and he’s on his uppers.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:33am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Perhaps because that would become the headline, whereas currently the headline is Metiria.
  I think it is wise for National to not comment and just let it play out for the moment, the papers have to print something.
  
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  August 9, 2017 11:31am
RalphT

Stuff is now saying “Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei accepts it would have been wiser to have paid back extra welfare income she received before going public about the benefit fraud.”

No, it would have been wiser not to have committed the fraud in the first place.
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August 9, 2017 9:11am
Lucia Maria

This is really interesting – Fire MacMaster campaigned that died because Trump supported his general.

#FireMcMaster, explained
How alt-right media and a handful of Twitter bots tried to get the United States National Security Advisor fired

When they say alt-right, they are including Breitbart, which was heavily involved with Russian-run media and (numerous bots and trolls) in this effort.
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August 9, 2017 9:12am
- Shawn Herles
  
  “When they say alt-right, they are including Breitbart”
  
  Which is completely daft or deliberately dishonest. Breitbart is pro-Israel and has run many stories warning about growing anti-Semitism at US colleges. It’s editor-in-chief of Breitbart News London is Raheem Kassam, who was born into a Muslim family and is ethnically Gujarati.
  
  The Alt-right hate Israel, consider all or most Jews the enemies of the West, and are white nationalists who would never have someone like Raheem Kassam writing for the.
  
  So the medium article reeks of fake news.
  
  And yes, I’m aware of the Steve Bannon quote, but Bannon was referring to Paleocons, the Tea Party and Middle American radicals, not to the White nationalist sites that are now using the term.
  
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  August 9, 2017 11:34am
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Hi Shawn,
    
    “Alt-right” is one of those terms that has different meanings to different people. That’s why I mentioned Breitbart because not everyone (such as yourself) would include them in the whole umbrella.
    
    The article I’ve linked to is written by the Atlantic Council Digital Forensic Research Lab and has direct Breitbart links to how they participated in the attempt to oust McMaster in concert with Infowars and more dubious sites.
    
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    August 9, 2017 12:54pm
MCos

Peter Snell’s best time would easily have won the 800m at the current world championships.
His Tokyo gold medal time would have placed him third.
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August 9, 2017 9:12am
- alwyn
  
  Easily is perhaps an exaggeration. Snells time was 1m 44.3s. The winner here did 1m 44.67s. He also had to go through heats, a semi-final and a final.
  Snell’s race, and I was lucky enough to see it, was of course a one-off and he had a pace-maker for the first lap. It was a great time though.
  If you really want a freak result you have to look at the long jump in 1968. The winner jumped 8.90 metres. The winner in the event this year only managed 8.48 metres. That is a massive 42 cm difference. I used to get an athletics magazine which just before the Olympics in 1968 had a story about Ralph Boston, another long jumper of the era. He had a quote on what to look for. He said the person to watch was Bob Beamon. The quote was something like “Someday he is going to get everything right and he is never going to come down”
  
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  August 9, 2017 11:23am
  - wally
    
    I was there too Alwyn, aged 8. That was a golden age of NZ athletics.
    
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    August 9, 2017 12:47pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Tres jealous, you two.
      
      I only saw Snell race twice.
      
      He came down to Wanganui a few days after setting his second Mile world record after his Tokyo double triumph in 1964. He won – but in a disappointingly-slow time.
      
      And in 1965, not sure when, he came to Taihape College to run in a ‘handicapped’ 800 metre race against 582374527385472375424735 kids, heh heh, and rather unbelievably beat precious few of them home.
      
      Years later I actually spoke to Snell at Los Angeles Airport after the Olympics there.
      
      The 800 at that those Games (1984) was won in 1.45.66, way slower than Snell had run 22 years earlier.
      
      He commented that he was ‘proud’ that his time was still competitive.
      
      He has reason to be proud STILL!
      
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      August 9, 2017 1:13pm
fluffykiwi

T = TAKER
U = USER
R = RACKETEER
E = ENTITLIST
I = ” I ”

(Maybe racketeer is stretching it a little but it is a word for fraudster)
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August 9, 2017 9:16am
- nasska
  
  “ripoff” would be an acceptable substitute.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:54am
flipper

Everyone knows that Turei is an anchor for the red mellons …and long may it remain that way.

But the real news is that the MSM continues, a la Clinton, to promote and Crown the Tooth Fairy.

TV3 is currently running a poll they say will be published on Thursday. I have never heard ( they interviewed me and objected when I called Adern the Tooth Fairy) a better and most obvious attempt at push polling.

This morning TVOne has a similar poll ….

J H C on a bike. And all the while that lying prick Peters is pushing the Barclay business – a matter which is of no interest outside The Beltway.
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August 9, 2017 9:17am
Chuck Bird

She has now admitted that the money was not needed to feed her baby.

Wiser to pay back benefit fraud income before going public – Metiria Turei

She said she was grateful to her broader family for supporting her in order to make it possible for her to get her law degree and have a “pathway out of welfare”.

Asked why she found it necessary to rip off the benefit while getting support from her wider family, Turei said she had made a decision to have as much financial stability as she could.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95589050/wiser-to-pay-back-benefit-fraud-income-before-going-public–metiria-turei
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August 9, 2017 9:22am
- mandk
  
  She is still dissembling.
  
  She needs to come completely clean about what she did.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:29am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Good find Chuck; well done.
  
  So Ms Turei didn’t rip WINZ off because she and Piupiu were starving? Wow; all of those people, especially Green MP’s, who have gone all-in on Turei’s tale of starving days and nights will be very disappointed with her.
  
  She needs to understand that the reason WINZ has tough rules around eligibility for benefits is because people like her have chosen to game the system. She is hoist by her own petard
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:47am
- Prince
  
  The game is up. The father and extended family have obviously asked her to ‘clarify’ that she had their support. So now it is not about poverty but about lying to ‘get as much financial stability as she could’. How is that any justification ?
  
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  August 9, 2017 10:02am
Hugh Pavletich

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Aucklanders caught between high rent increases and low wage growth – high immigration likely to be a contributing factor | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/89206/aucklanders-caught-between-high-rent-increases-and-low-wage-growth-high-immigration

By Greg Ninness

Rents are rising faster than wages in most parts of the country, with the gap widening particularly quickly in Auckland, according to interest.co.nz’s inaugural Rental Housing Affordability Report.

This report tracks movements in average rents around the country and compares them with movements in average after tax pay. It will be published quarterly by interest.co.nz.

It has found that in the 12 months from the second quarter of last year to the second quarter of this year, the national average rent (based on bonds received by Tenancy Services at MBIE*) increased from $404 a week to $422, a rise of $18 a week (+4.3%).

Over the same period, national average take home pay, (Full Time Equivalent, based on Statistics NZ’s Quarterly Employment Survey, with tax and ACC deductions at IRD’s standard rates*) rose from $918 in the second quarter of last year to $936 in the second quarter of this year, also an increase of $18 a week (+1.9%). … read more via hyperlink above …
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Access yesterdays posts …
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/general_debate_8_august_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1985507 … and
  
  … New Zealand Prime Minister Bill English talking rubbish about Auckland housing and construction performance …
  
  Steadier path to later & higher Auckland house building peak could be better for first home buyers, construction industry and high school leavers looking to enter the trades, PM English says | interest.co.nz
  
  http://www.interest.co.nz/news/89189/steadier-path-later-higher-auckland-house-building-peak-could-be-better-first-home-buyers
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:26am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Congratulations Hugh, only three links in two posts.
    You’re getting slightly less painful.
    
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    August 9, 2017 10:06am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO LEARN THE ‘NEW HOUSING SUPPLY’ LESSONS FROM GREATER CHRISTCHURCH (IN PARTICULAR … SELWYN AND WAIMAKARIRI) ?
      
      When can we expect to see Statistics New Zealand generate on a monthly basis the standard industry measure ‘consent / start / completion rates per 1000 population per annum’ for all the local authority areas ? … for example … from mid last year …
      
      The rate at which new homes are being built relative to our population size is less than half what it was in 1974 | interest.co.nz
      
      http://www.interest.co.nz/property/83282/rate-which-new-homes-are-being-built-relative-our-population-size-less-half-what-it
      
      Despite huge housing shortfall, Auckland consents per capita only middling | Stuff.co.nz
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/83682402/Despite-huge-housing-shortfall-Auckland-consents-per-capita-only-middling
      
      Six new homes for every thousand Kiwis …August 2016 … Statistics New Zealand
      
      http://m.stats.govt.nz/tools_and_services/media-centre/media-releases-2016/six-new-homes-every-thous-kiwis.aspx
      
      … WHT ISN’T THIS BASIC INFORMATION / RESEARCH CONSTANTLY IN THE PUBLIC CONVERSATION ? …
      
      It is the bureaucratically bloated Local Authorities that are THE major problem … which goes back to the hair-brained 1989 forced amalgamations.
      
      De-amalgamations should have been well underway by now.
      
      There are two types of Local Government in this world … the small and the bad.
      
      The standard industry measure ‘consent rates per 1000 population per annum’ for selected Local Authorities for May outlined below illustrates this.
      
      Due to constant poor quality governance and regulation over the past 3 decades +, the construction industry has been bureaucratically bludgeoned back in to the Stone Age of cottage building … seriously degrading its productivity / pricing performance.
      
      NEW ZEALAND: BASIC ‘NUTS & BOLTS’
      HOUSING PERFORMANCE INFORMATION REQUIRED
      
      http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/general_debate_30_june_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1960805
      
      The selected residential consent numbers May for the following territorial areas were … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      August 9, 2017 12:24pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        It could never last, you’re back to the old boring Hugh.
        Scroll on.
        
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        August 9, 2017 1:39pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Population ponzi drives up Auckland rents, lowers wages – MacroBusiness
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/08/population-ponzi-drives-auckland-rents-lowers-wages/
        
        By Leith van Onselen
        
        It has been well documented on this site that Auckland’s housing shortage continues to worsen as dwelling consents – just 10,100 in the year to June: … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Judith Sloan: population ponzi “squeezing life from cities” – MacroBusiness
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/08/judith-sloan-population-ponzi-squeezing-life-cities/
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/08/aussie-dollar-breaks-poor-confidence-north-korea/
        
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        August 9, 2017 4:51pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        NEW ZEALAND ELECTION 23 SEPTEMBER … LATEST NEWSHUB POLL … ‘THE MOOD FOR CHANGE’ …
        
        Newshub-Reid Research poll: Jacinda Ardern brings Labour back | Newshub
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/newshub-reid-research-poll-jacinda-ardern-brings-labour-back.html
        
        The Labour Party is celebrating an explosive boost in support – and it’s all down to the “Ardern Effect”.
        
        In the latest Newshub-Reid Research poll Labour has jumped 9 points up to 33.1 percent.
        
        This is the party’s highest percentage in our polling since January 2014 when it was 33.5 percent.
        
        The Labour Party is celebrating an explosive boost in support – and it’s all down to the “Ardern Effect”.
        
        In the latest Newshub-Reid Research poll Labour has jumped 9 points up to 33.1 percent.
        
        This is the party’s highest percentage in our polling since January 2014 when it was 33.5 percent. … view and read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Poverty, gap between rich & poor and housing affordability, housing shortage, and homelessness dominate discussion in lead-up to election, says Roy Morgan poll … Interest Co NZ
        
        http://www.interest.co.nz/news/89038/poverty-gap-between-rich-poor-and-housing-affordability-housing-shortage-and-homelessness
        
        Content sourced from Roy Morgan Research
        
        In mid-2017, and only a few months before the upcoming New Zealand Election which according to Roy Morgan is too close to call*, the key Issues for the New Zealand Election are the inter-related issues of Poverty and the gap between rich & poor, House prices & Housing affordability and Housing shortages & Homelessness.
        
        The overall picture across all issues was covered extensively in our release on broader New Zealand Concerns released a fortnight ago and available to view here. We look in this release at Economic & Housing-related concerns in greater detail.
        
        A significant 50% of New Zealanders believe Economic issues (27%) or Housing-related issues (23%) are the most important problems facing New Zealand. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        … September 2016 polling …
        
        The NZ homeowners who hate high house prices are revealed in Labour polling | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/90244287/the-nz-homeowners-who-hate-high-house-prices-are-revealed-in-labour-polling
        
        … May 2016 polling … access more via GONE GONE GOING section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …
        
        Opinion: John Key’s Govt has failed New Zealand on housing … Patrick Gower … Newshub
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2016/05/opinion-john-keys-govt-has-failed-new-zealand-on-housing.html
        
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        August 9, 2017 7:22pm
      - realityczech
        
        Hugh people do not want houses price to drop and nor do the banks. The reasons are selfish, ignorant and destructive, but greed does that to people.
        
        Your house value only exists on paper, unless you sell it and don’t buy another one. But greed makes the fools think they are rich.
        
        So don’t think National will lose because people see their houses increasing in value.
        
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        August 9, 2017 7:28pm
Tauhei Notts

Vale Glenn Campbell.
I recall some years ago at a Country & Western evening a third generation New Zealander of Cantonese extraction singing Campbell’s Rhinestone Cowboy.
I have always thought of that song ever since, as the Chinese Cowboy.
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August 9, 2017 9:40am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I can’t hear the chorus of Rhinestone Cowboy without thinking of Rodney Rude’s parody to the same tune “Well-hung ploughboy”.
  
  RIP Glen Campbell.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:50am
Fisiani

I note that the Green candidate for Hutt South has pulled out due to her new job. If she is not replaced then the Greens are choosing to help the Labour candidate win the seat. Even though there is still time to change the candidate I doubt that they will.
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August 9, 2017 9:50am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Agree Fisiani. Who would want the job?
  Hang in there Chris B. You can still do it.
  TWO TICKS BLUE !!!
  
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  August 9, 2017 10:08am
  - KevOB
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    August 9, 2017 10:32am
    - Gabby
      
      Tulixpu
      
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      August 9, 2017 9:21pm
  - Manolo
    
    Why not choose Blue at local level and vote Act at national level? 😀
    
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    August 9, 2017 10:33am
    - KevOB
      
      It’s too important this election not to re-elect National.
      
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      August 9, 2017 4:32pm
      - Gabby
        
        It’s very important this election not to re-elect National.
        
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        August 9, 2017 9:20pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Lets get it right.
    ACT for party vote.
    
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    August 9, 2017 11:32am
  - Muttonbird
    
    Did you not know Chris Bishop posts here under the name Fisiani?
    
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    August 9, 2017 11:44am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      No, but I knew Trevor Mallard posts here under the name Muttonbird.
      
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      August 9, 2017 12:09pm
  - Gabby
    
    TULIXPU !!!!!
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:22pm
Manolo

The scum regroups:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4772178/More-17-000-migrants-tried-reach-UK-year.html

More than 17,000 attempts by migrants to reach Britain from Calais since January – or 140 a day –as numbers at the ‘New Jungle’ grow.
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August 9, 2017 9:58am
Manolo

Back-channel communications:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/08/donald-trump-exchanged-private-messages-special-counsel-mueller/547917001/
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August 9, 2017 10:31am
MH

I wake up each day expecting to hear a nuclear device has been detonated either over elements of the US pacific fleet or in Nth Korea.
Trump worries me, is this some game, cries of wolf ? It is a subject that dares not to be talked about, even the Iranians seem reasonable c.f. Kim. A South patrol boat was sunk and the retaliation was self contained, but for how long now if a similar incident occurred.
The sort of childish rhetoric from both antagonists makes me wish that the cold war personalities and leaders were still alive today and not this MAD lot. I can’t see this continuous niggling ending up well. Someone is getting pushed into a corner of a cul de sac. The threat of the big stick and its use without regard to the people of Sth Korea seems crazy. Will the average Jap feel how come only the Asians get to get radiated once the dust has settled ? How will China respond ? They say Nth conventional firepower could decimate Seoul before airstrikes take their toll. Undoubtedly the North’s leader is a madman, paranoid which is the greatest worry. America is within the range of many country’s landbased or submarine ICBMs, will one more traumatise them. That’s the risk. Give in to a bully or play the bluff card and go no misère?
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August 9, 2017 10:47am
- Inandout
  
  What did Obama do all those years, other than bend over?
  
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  August 9, 2017 11:05am
  - realityczech
    
    “What did Obama do all those years”
    
    Biggest war monger in modern history. Check your facts.
    
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    August 9, 2017 5:26pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  MH,
  
  There is enough radiation in the Fukushima region already, thank you very much.
  
  If Kim Jong Un is waiving a nuclear threat around, what is the West to do?
  
  Japan has taken the Tokugawa Ieyasu approach for a long time (wait for the cuckoo to sing) but the Norks keep pushing the boundaries. I think it is time to go Oda Nobunaga on them (kill it before it sings).
  
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  August 9, 2017 12:11pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Tokugawa Ieyasu won in the end didn’t he?
    
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    August 9, 2017 12:36pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Yes. That is why I doubt that Nobunaga and his Ninjas will have their day.
      
      We can only hope that there is a coup in North Korea and some faction more open to sanity and modern international relations takes over.
      
      South Korea is not relishing the thought of stitching itself to a corpse. It will hurt like hell for a couple of generations, even if the long-term outcome may be for the best.
      
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      August 9, 2017 12:56pm
      - rangitoto
        
        Who knows what will happen with the Don running the US.
        
        I read the James Clavel novel Shogun some years ago. One of the main characters Toronaga was based on Tokugawa Ieyasu. In the novel he secretly states that he will allow himself just one friend and chooses the English Anjin as he knows the Englishman is outside the Japanese political intrigue.
        
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        August 9, 2017 1:10pm
  - realityczech
    
    What is your position on the nuclear armed rogue state of Israel that is currently illegally occupying another country and recently declared war on NZ for not agreeing with the invasion ?
    
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    August 9, 2017 5:28pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Israel is not behaving like a rogue state. Have they threatened any democracies with bottled sunshine yet?
      
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      August 9, 2017 5:47pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Real Estate on Guam has just got significantly cheaper…
  
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  August 9, 2017 2:33pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Nothing about Guam in the NZ Herald, so I guess we have nothing to worry about. We’ll be as safe as (Auckland) houses.
    I like the mature, unruffled reporting of the Herald. Take this article about the risk of the world ending next month due to a rogue planet. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11900859
    
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    August 9, 2017 4:12pm
Happychappy

Labour have released their water policy but have not set a price they say that will be will be set by a expert panel at a later date. So same old Labour announce a policy that will likely send some farmers broke and leave the water bottlers guessing whether their business will be viable if Labour win the upcoming Election. Two Ticks Blue
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August 9, 2017 11:13am
- Muttonbird
  
  There’s a lot of appetite for this policy both with the general New Zealander (townies) and regional folk who have watched their local rivers become atrophied quagmires.
  
  All of the above do pay for their water and don’t like seeing companies foreign and domestic extract water for free regardless of what impact it has on the water table. User pays, especially the commercial user.
  
  Furthermore, there is a very real sense with the rapid increase in dairy intensification, that farmers have been ‘getting away with it’ for too long.
  
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  August 9, 2017 11:40am
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    That’s all very well – and I have some sympathy with the view.
    
    However, have you bought butter lately? The price increases weekly and has doubled in a short time. If this goes through, it will go through the roof – which does not bode well for anyone, especially the poorer and children.
    
    And no, I’m not swayed by Fonterra’s ad about donating milk to schools. That’s good – but they’re all being encouraged eat margarine at home. Nothing like boosting unhealthy, cancer-causing food.
    
    I also consider the water export industry to be an entirely different issue from farming. No foreign company should be able to ‘extract water’ from NZ, certainly not for free. Water is going to be the world’s biggest shortage in a few years – the US already doesn’t have enough water to service its population – something I watched on a documentary a couple of years ago.
    
    I really don’t want to see water end up the same as butter and other dairy products, price to NZers dependent on the price to overseas buyers – unless, of course, the international price of milk goes down at which point we’re supposed to make up the difference. Water doesn’t just need to be cleaned up – it needs to be protected as an inalienable right for NZers, flora, and fauna to thrive on and in – for free.
    
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    August 9, 2017 11:57am
    - Shawn Herles
      
      “No foreign company should be able to ‘extract water’ from NZ, certainly not for free.”
      
      Agreed. This is where an unrestricted global “free” market bumps up against national interest, and my view is that national interest should prevail.
      
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      August 9, 2017 12:00pm
      - Paulus
        
        Easy for foreign company – create a local one – easy.
        
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        August 9, 2017 1:49pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    There’s a lot of appetite for this policy both with the general New Zealander (townies) and regional folk who have watched their local rivers become atrophied quagmires.
    
    You idiots are so out of touch with kiwis.
    
    I couldn’t give a fark. Is fresh water scarce ? Running out ? Nah.
    2008 / 11 / 14 / and soon 17.
    
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    August 10, 2017 7:13am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Totally agree Happychappy. What a half-arsed way to announce a policy.
  “Vote for us and we’ll charge for the water that falls out of the sky for free. But we won’t say how much we’ll charge until after you’ve voted for us. Then we’ll also start charging you for the air you breathe.”
  Madness.
  
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  August 9, 2017 11:41am
  - oldgolfer
    
    Madness is right. This will be shot down, though it is a policy (if that is what it is) that will sit well with those in town who genuinely think cockies want nothing more than to wreck the environment. Nothing, of course, is further from the truth.
    It’s back-of-the-packet populist nonsense rushed out, and with NO figures, probably to prevent an immediate response from opponents.
    God forbid, but if it ever came to pass, this would have a serious impact on household budgets across the land, and send farmers and businesses broke. Well done, Cindy, another positive masterstroke.
    
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    August 9, 2017 12:48pm
    - RalphT
      
      But surely we can trust her? After all doesn’t St Jacinda have our best interest at heart? Anyway, we have to raise money to pay beneficiaries the $50k a year they deserve.
      
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      August 9, 2017 1:58pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Are Labour stealing Green policies?
      
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      August 9, 2017 4:29pm
      - ex-golfer
        
        Why not? Labour smells Green blood and is going after it for all its worth.
        
        Labour would prefer not to have to cobble together a three-way coalition – so if they can side-step the Greens and get into power in a 2-way coalition with Winston they will.
        
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        August 9, 2017 6:22pm
  - Prince
    
    …and after charging you $(TBD) for the water, we will give it to regional councils, who will (TBD) with it…
    
    Seriously, this is so typical of Labour. Back to the 2000’s – collect more and more tax and tip it headlong into the bureaucracy. No firm targets. Feel the width, never mind the quality.
    
    Expect bigger salaries for regional councils, more lavish expenses, and an ever-growing number of consultancy reports on what to do with this slush fund.
    
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    August 9, 2017 1:31pm
  - Gabby
    
    Every old fulla will receive a free water allowance for washing out his crusty gruts. Some might prefer an extra cuppa.
    
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    August 9, 2017 9:11pm
- rangitoto
  
  Would this be the same expert panel they were going to get to figure out how to do capital gains tax.
  
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  August 9, 2017 1:51pm
- Gabby
  
  Tulixpu
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:13pm
UpandComer

Please forgive a long post with Hugh links. But I’m so sick of Phil Twyford crying fake tears and quoting Al Jazeera on New Zealand homelessness.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/research-papers/document/00PLEcoRP14021/homelessness-in-new-zealand

This official research shows that in 2006 homelessness being the sum of severe housing deprivation and without accommodation post census was 33,946 – 0.8% of the population.

Labour are quoting this study http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/cities-grow-worldwide-so-do-numbers-homeless

Which says homelessness “where more than 40,000 people live on the streets or in emergency housing or substandard shelters.”

which in turn is quoting this story from Al Jazeera
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/08/zealand-homeless-living-cars-garages-160811062112936.html

which in turn is quoting University of Otago Figures post 2013 census
here: http://www.otago.ac.nz/news/news/otago613529.html

If you go and look you notice a few things. First off, the increase is 0.2% 2 years after the Christchurch earthquakes and not far removed from global recession.

Second, the alleged increase in total homelessness (severely deprived or unable to find accommodation or living in temporary commercial residence) is LESS THEN the increase in ‘indeterminable’ – which is up 0.3% in the 2012 census.

It is quite possible from those figures that was ZERO INCREASE IN PER CAPITA HOMELESSNESS. Because if 0.2% of the indeterminates were counted as not severely housing deprived, there would be no per capita increase, which is what Twyford is talking about.

In addition, of the 41,705 measured in 2013 post census, only 4,200 are actually homeless according to the ordinary meaning. 75% are roofed and have access to utilities. NZ has no definition of over-crowding, and the Australian Bureau of Statistics measure Labour use is used in Canada, and defines more then 2 people in a room as severe overcrowding. So I guess me and my brothers in one room growing up were homeless.

That’s just as aside – the main points are the statistical phenomenon and the fact Twyford is quoting Al Jazeera!
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August 9, 2017 11:44am
holysheet

As business that uses water, am I going to be charged for my water use? It comes from the sky, feed into 6 x 30,000 litre tanks off the 700sq m roof and used constantly.
We need answers before the election not after.
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August 9, 2017 11:50am
- Albert_Ross
  
  It’s a valuable resource, and by using it yourself, you are depriving other people of the ability to use it. Why shouldn’t you be charged for it?
  
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  August 9, 2017 1:12pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    He’s depriving nobody. If he doesn’t catch the water it flows away into a stream and eventually the sea. You can catch some too if you like.
    
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    August 9, 2017 1:17pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Yes, it’s water that would otherwise go into a stream, a river and eventually the sea. Thus, his taking water that falls onto his property from the sky is no different from a farmer, or a bottling company, taking water that arrives on his property in a river. By using it he’s reducing the amount of water that goes into the stream, so there is less of it for the people further down the stream.
      
      Yes, I can catch some too, under present arrangements. So can you. So can everybody. That is the point. If everybody is able to take, for free, as much as they like, then water will be wasted and not put to its most efficient use. That is neither environmentally nor economically sustainable.
      
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      August 9, 2017 2:22pm
      - rangitoto
        
        The water isn’t destroyed by using it. It is continuously circulated.
        
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        August 9, 2017 3:33pm
      - realityczech
        
        “The water isn’t destroyed by using it. It is continuously circulated.”
        
        Same with land. Can I have yours – for free ?
        
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        August 9, 2017 5:31pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Use it and/or waste it lol
    
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    August 9, 2017 1:40pm
    - MH
      
      the word stillicide comes to mind. It just does, I have to accept it. Came across it in an Oxford dictionary and never forgot it.
      
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      August 9, 2017 2:33pm
- Southern Raider
  
  You are a capitalist business. Of course your should pay 🙂
  
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  August 9, 2017 3:22pm
Sublime

TVNZ: Tertiary Education Minister accused of making ‘disgusting’ racial statement about Indian home ownership

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/tertiary-education-minister-accused-making-disgusting-racial-statement-indian-home-ownership

This has all the ingredients for a 6pm news and social media meltdown election special … if it weren’t for a few other things going on!
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August 9, 2017 12:07pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I would have thought the desire to own multiple properties would be cultural, rather than racial.
  Am I missing something?
  
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  August 9, 2017 1:00pm
Manolo

What will be the whanau’s excuse?
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/teen-girls-crash-stolen-car-in-tauranga/ar-AApJVkf?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

Two young Tauranga girls are in hospital after they stole a car and crashed it into a tree not long after being spotted by an officer on patrol, police say.

The two 14-year-olds suffered serious injuries in the crash at the intersection of Bellevue Road and Windsor Road on Tuesday morning.
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August 9, 2017 1:09pm
- cmm
  
  Compensation from the council for planting the tree there!
  
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  August 9, 2017 1:52pm
Manolo

Google, the tolerant:
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-08/google-can-t-seem-to-tolerate-diversity

Over the weekend, a Google engineer named James Damore gained infamy for publishing a 10-page criticism of the company’s “authoritarian” approach to achieving gender diversity. By Monday, he was fired. If the goal was to confirm Damore’s thesis, Team Google is doing a great job.
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August 9, 2017 1:12pm
- cmm
  
  Just listened to this bloke being interviewed:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN1vEfqHGro
  
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  August 9, 2017 5:17pm
Lucia Maria

Yesterday’s General Debate Stats

Total comments: 337 Total commenters: 96

Top Level comments = 66
2nd level replies = 110
3rd level replies = 74
4th level replies = 37
5th level replies = 50

Most comments
Gabby = 19

Top 5 Postive Karma collectors:
Odakyu-sen = 137
Happychappy = 141
cmm = 145
VicParking = 152
Keeping Stock = 192 (8 comments for the day & came 1st yesterday, too)

Top 5 Negative Karma collectors:
dad4justice = 41
Anne Glen Eden = 50
Hugh Pavletich = 92
Scorpion = 105
Gabby = 149 (out of 19 comments, had the most comments today and yesterday, and also won most negative karma today and yesterday).

Haven’t done hidden comments yet, but it’s on the list (how often have you heard a programmer say that!)
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August 9, 2017 1:15pm
- cmm
  
  What’s your methodology?
  
  Do you have access to the stats from the server or do you screen-scrape and parse the html?
  
  I hope you aren’t using pencil and paper :-).
  
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  August 9, 2017 1:54pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Web-scraping using Python and Beautiful Soup.
    
    I’d have no chance using pen and paper for this even if I wanted to, all that indenting throws me off!
    
    I’m constantly tempted to write my own (very simple) parser, though, as trying to figure out how Beautiful Soup works and then making it do what I want it to do is driving me a little crazy.
    
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    August 9, 2017 2:04pm
- Gabby
  
  Doesn’t count if you’re not matching up the socks.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:03pm
Captain Mainwaring

Another nonsense story from Stuff.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/95514539/youth-voter-i-will-not-be-voting-in-this-election

What’s the point of interviewing this idiot if you can’t find out what sort of policies he would actually vote for?
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August 9, 2017 1:58pm
- RalphT
  
  Actually Captain he’s doing us a favour; he was probably a closet Green voter so that’s one less vote to worry about.
  
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  August 9, 2017 2:29pm
Happychappy

Paula Bennett kicked Grant Robertson’s arse in question time after he tried to be smarts dick and shows how out of his depth he is.
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August 9, 2017 2:47pm
- Gabby
  
  Saying nothing of value isn’t kicking arse, or you’d be the crappiest arsekicker around chappy.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:01pm
Happychappy

If Bill English is dull and a poor Leader why is it that Winston Peters that resorts to call people names because he can not provide proof of the allegations he makes.
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August 9, 2017 3:01pm
- Gabby
  
  Because your crappy teeth are brown, pious chappy the sanctimonious.
  
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  August 9, 2017 9:00pm
fluffykiwi

I wonder whether Paddy Gower’s explosive poll can compete with police rescuing a kidnapped baby in Epsom.
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August 9, 2017 4:04pm
Odakyu-sen

Nothing about Guam in the NZ Herald, so I guess we have nothing to worry about. We’ll be as safe as (Auckland) houses.
I like the mature, unruffled reporting of the Herald. Take this article about the risk of the world ending next month due to a rogue planet. It’s good how they don’t waste time with conspiracy theories. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11900859

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August 9, 2017 4:13pm
- nasska
  
  From your link:
  
  ….”Although scientists deny the planet’s existence, Meade is convinced he is right after finding Bible passages to support his claims.”…..
  
  How can you possibly be so sceptical…..it’s in the Bible.
  
  Don’t you love Baby Jesus? 🙂
  
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  August 9, 2017 4:20pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I do. I played him once in the St.Columba’s Sunday school Xmas nativity play. My co-star was a lamb. 🙂
    
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    August 9, 2017 4:24pm
    - nasska
      
      ….”My co-star was a lamb”…..
      
      A porno was it JB? 🙂
      
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      August 9, 2017 4:31pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Certainly not old chap! A Merino I believe. 🙂
        
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        August 9, 2017 4:34pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Better that it was a sheep then, however I can’t believe that I am condoning bestiality!!!
        
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        August 9, 2017 4:37pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Thank God it was a Merino lamb and not destined to the Halal market.
        
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        August 9, 2017 4:41pm
      - stigie
        
        You have so much to learn Rachael especially when JB is offering his services..?
        
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        August 9, 2017 5:40pm
    - cmm
      
      I expect the lamb was also a star at Easter, but playing a completely different role.
      
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      August 9, 2017 4:34pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Quite so. It starred as a fine leg of hogget with mint sauce. 🙂
        
        Chaps sometimes have to bury their darkest secrets! 🙂
        
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        August 9, 2017 4:42pm
john1234

Yet another case of an MSM reporter not doing her homework:
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/national-s-paul-goldsmith-accused-of-blaming-indians-for-housing-crisis.html

A quick look around for this Maharaj fellow finds this:
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/09/falsely_promising_cheap_fares.html
So he’s not some Joe Citizen. He’s an aspriring Labour politician, and a bit of a dodgy one at that.

In Fairfax, the same story appears as ‘promoted content’. Does this mean it’s paid-for fake news?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95599184/national-minister-accused-of-racism-over-remark-about-indian-home-ownership
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August 9, 2017 4:40pm
Chuck Bird

I think we should send Gareth Morgan to NK to mediate.
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August 9, 2017 4:44pm
- sam green
  
  Or you – you’re a supremely fair arbitrator.
  
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  August 9, 2017 7:56pm
Inandout

Me Tu stands down, Shaw on lookout for new hip partner.
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August 9, 2017 5:14pm
KKKKatee

If Jacindarella and her mates (Shaw & co) are true socialists and want to chuck money at the poor just because, how about they start with their own salaries and show us how it’s done, just like Sir John Key did with his salary. Yeah/Nah…..
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August 9, 2017 5:19pm
- sam green
  
  John’s already shown you the way – knock yourself out.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:00pm
- Gabby
  
  Ponyboy reckoned it was going to charity but it was a bit of a ‘charity begins at home’ odgepodge charity. Maybe it was Hong Kong based.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:56pm
chris

And she’s resigned as co-leader.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11901089
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August 9, 2017 5:21pm
- stigie
  
  She’s stood down because her family were being questioned, Wah Wah, She was the one that bought them into it. Silly bitch, still thinks she’s done nothing wrong !~
  
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  August 9, 2017 5:32pm
  - chris
    
    “Turei does not accept she opened herself up for the level of scrutiny, her admission has garnered.”
    
    She’s a complete dumbass.
    
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    August 9, 2017 5:33pm
    - howitis
      
      http://www.nowtolove.co.nz/news/real-life/metiria-turei-my-daughter-saved-me-5497
      “I failed at everything. I failed School Certificate, Sixth Form Certificate, my Bachelor of Arts, teachers’ college – everything! my life was a succession of failures.”
      
      Ultimately failed at Fraud and brought everyone around her into disrepute.
      
      She has succeeded in sinking the Green party.
      One decent job in her lifetime.
      Everyone who stood by her is severely tainted.
      The Hartley family has been dragged into this when they appeared to do the right thing for the most part in supporting her for Paul’s short term relationship (poor judgement by him tho).
      
      Jimmy Shaw is dog tucker. Compete and utter dog tucker with no path to redemption.
      He has actively endorsed this fraud and law breaking for nearly a month.
      He is not fit to be a Minister of the Crown of New Zealand.
      Let this green wreck (that may not be here after 23 Sept) be the home for the militant angry feminazis so we know where they are.
      
      Well done MeTu.
      Success, success at last.
      Destroyed the Green party and any credibility. Shaw is finished.
      Goodnight Irene.
      
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      August 9, 2017 6:35pm
duggledog

Just as I predicted.

Shit outcomes follow shit people around.
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August 9, 2017 5:30pm
Rachael Membery

Surely Metiria should resign from the party, she will still be telling James what to say, she was correcting him in the breaking news segment, any replacement isn’t elected until the next AGM.
Business as usual just with fewer baubles in my opinion and hopefully less scrutiny.
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August 9, 2017 5:32pm
VicParking

Frog legs for tea
Shaw should go next
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August 9, 2017 5:33pm
SPC

It’s a bit obvious that National, and those who want its government to continue in office, have been unnerved by the polls showing National support down to 45% and Labour/Greens and NZ First over 50%. Governing by the consent of Winston, or not at all, is their nightmare since they campaigned to drive him out of parliament to win office in 2008.

For example Hosking and many others – once so dismissive of the Dotcom (will have no impact on the election) now choosing to promote the idea that Green voter support for their policy will evaporate and thus National might return without NZF on a lower turnout – total wish fulfilment.

As delusional as the left was in 2014.
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August 9, 2017 5:35pm
- SPC
  
  So polls now show Greens at 8, and NZF at 9 (a recent poll had each at 13%). Hallelujah sing National, not so broken English helmsmanship …
  
  But National go below 45%, and Labour rise to 33%, and English and Ardern are neck and neck in the preferred PM poll. Hallelujah sing Labour we are not broken – best day for Labour since 2008.
  
  Given the Ardern factor in play took down both NZF and Greens, how much have the Greens really been hurt by the news cycle focus on Turei?
  
  A resurgent Labour, just as a resurgent National c2005, simply reduces support for other parties that were advantaged by its earlier weakness.
  
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  August 9, 2017 6:35pm
  - Gabby
    
    Bingles may need to keep track of how much secret squirrl stuff is sitting around stinking up the place. He’s running out of stuff he wants to talk about.
    
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    August 9, 2017 8:52pm
Johnboy

Fuck it. I was just starting work on a new song entitled “Metirial Girl”…..Fuck it! 🙂
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August 9, 2017 5:35pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Greatness has its own set of stumbling blocks JB. Just ask Bob Dylan, Page & Plant, Richards & Jagger.
  
  Besides, the chances of the fraud toad not having another tilt at the co-leadership after 5 minutes are about zero. She will see that as an opportunity to “re-open the conversation about child poverty”. 🙄
  
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  August 9, 2017 5:41pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Bitch could have let me sell the lyrics to a producer before she shat on my creativity! 🙂
    
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    August 9, 2017 5:43pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      Keep working on it JB. I reckon you’ll need it early in the new year. After all, the starving poverty-stricken children of the country can’t have their case properly advanced at anything below co-leader level. I smell pork.
      
      Edit: not to mention pigshit.
      
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      August 9, 2017 5:48pm
Right of way is Way of Right

She’s Goooonnnneeeeeee!
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August 9, 2017 5:38pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I can just imagine the conversation.
  
  “Meteria, hurry up and resign already.”
  “You can kiss my ass!”
  “Sorry, Meteria, I haven’t got all day…”
  
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  August 9, 2017 5:51pm
  - Johnboy
    
    “Meteria, hurry up and resign already.”
    
    Shaw’s Jewish??…Oy Vay! 🙂
    
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    August 9, 2017 5:54pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Guilty as charged. I confess that I am stealing many of my punchlines from American comedy shows.
      
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      August 9, 2017 6:04pm
realityczech

Under National essential public services have been gutted. The Nats have dealt with this by managing the message and not the problem. Anyone who speaks off message is ruthlessly targeted in govt agencies.

For this reason I will not vote for them again.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95565791/weve-got-a-health-system-thats-the-envy-of-the-world-minister-tells-astonished-charities
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August 9, 2017 5:39pm
- Shawn Herles
  
  “Under National essential public services have been gutted.”
  
  No, “gutted” is not true. They have had to tighten the spending belt, which does not amount to “gutted”, and keep in mind this was in response to the GFC and then the Chch earthquake, which hit NZ with a double whammy. I have some criticisms of National, but their management of spending in the wake of that doubly whammy has been commendable.
  
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  August 9, 2017 5:58pm
  - realityczech
    
    They have done a pretty good job. Its the lies and propaganda that piss me off. Also the targeting of whistle blowers is a serious problem in govt. No one is allowed to question the approved political narrative from the Nats.
    
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    August 9, 2017 6:25pm
Nostradamus

Wow. The election campaign has barely started, and first Labour, and now the Greens, have had to update their election signs. That reminds me. I need to update my share portfolio and election signage firms seem to be the sharebrokers’ pick!
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August 9, 2017 5:44pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Nostra
  
  I saw a sign with porcelain chops on it the other day with some shit hastily stapled over angry. Imagine my amusement in seeing that they hadn’t covered up angry’s tie at the bottom.
  
  No doubt there’s a hit squad of foreign stalag captives whistling all over the country tooled up with staplers and patches getting valuable political experience.
  
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  August 9, 2017 5:56pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    thedavincimode:
    
    No doubt there’s a hit squad of foreign stalag captives whistling all over the country tooled up with staplers and patches getting valuable political experience.
    
    Quite correct. The working holiday visa scheme allows “young people” to visit New Zealand “mainly to holiday, with work being a secondary intention”.
    
    Those lucky interns! Labour (and the Greens – if Labour’s feeling generous enough to expand its intern programme) are offering them a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to see New Zealand. Watch out Nasska – they’ll be coming to Eketahuna soon!
    
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    August 9, 2017 6:06pm
    - nasska
      
      We’ll be ready for them Nostra. A bus load of fat Yank chicky babes won’t infiltrate us easily! 🙂
      
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      August 9, 2017 6:12pm
  - Swifty
    
    Heh.
    
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    August 9, 2017 6:08pm
Shawn Herles

Gotta give the msm credit when it’s due. This article nails it on Turei.

“It would also be a mistake to write off Graham and Clendon as “stupid, old white men”, as some quickly did. Not only is it lazy and nasty, these men symbolise a time, not that long ago, when voters believed the Greens represented the environment.

Bottom line: Metiria Turei made a miscalculation when she freely revealed her past. It looks and feels like it was a cynical decision solely designed to move the Greens forward in the polls. It’s backfired.

Now, the Greens see it as everyone else’s fault. Those who disagree with the morality of her past lies are written off as racists, misogynists, haters of the poor, lovers of the rich, white, privileged – you know the drill.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11900072
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August 9, 2017 5:45pm
- itstricky
  
  Gotta give the msm credit
  
  This sort of comment, and behavior, which happens reasonably frequently, intrigues me.
  
  Normally, and especially for you, the MSM is the devil incarnate. Then, all of a sudden, you get a result that you prefer and they’re angels.
  
  How many people lack the self awareness to see that their perception of “the truth” is hidden behind a thin veneer of personal belief?
  
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  August 9, 2017 6:48pm
thedavincimode

Ya gotta larf. A “sole” co-leader. And this isn’t unprecedented ya know – after all, it happened when Rod Donald died!! I guess this pretty much equates. 🙄

More to the point, it leaves a place at the sausage rolls on the table for the toad post-election.
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August 9, 2017 5:45pm
duggledog

Reality czech

I’m going to give you a reality check. The public service hasn’t been gutted it’s been told to pull up its socks and deliver with the money it has allocated.

Everyone from RNZ to DOC to midwives to postal workers want more money.

Can’t afford it. Not allowed to drill for gold or pretty much anything else to make ourselves wealthier.

Champagne on a beer budget.
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August 9, 2017 5:47pm
- realityczech
  
  Yeah we have all heard the PR spin.
  
  The doctors and people actually delivering services have more integrity than sleazy lying Key will ever have.
  
  Agree with your other points though.
  
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  August 9, 2017 5:54pm
Johnboy

All is not lost for the Melons. They could anoint Graham and Clendon as co-leaders.
The only prob might be deciding which one gets the sex change! 🙂
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August 9, 2017 5:47pm
- VicParking
  
  Why they have/had two ball less wonders before.
  
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  August 9, 2017 5:52pm
B.L.Zeebub

Meteria Tourettes, lying thru to the bitter end.
Brought all on herself.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqQelCIGYMI
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August 9, 2017 5:55pm
KKKKatee

So MT is no longer the co-leader. What took her so long? Now to do the decent thing and resign from Parliament altogether before she is finally pushed. Bit more grace that way. Karma doing it’s thing here….
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August 9, 2017 5:55pm
- Gabby
  
  She’ll prolly slink off to Hong Kong now.
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:43pm
B.L.Zeebub

Will they look for another Co-gina or will the Mangina Shaw lead them to defeat all on his own?
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August 9, 2017 6:00pm
- howitis
  
  Shaw is girly enough to do both.
  He is well whipped.
  Perhaps he could be the ‘girly man’ leader 🙂
  
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  August 9, 2017 7:12pm
nasska

Looks like she’s actually leaving parliament:

….”Aug 9, 2017 5:19 PM
Tracy Watkins
Shaw confirms that Turei will retire at the election so that report about her staying on is not correct.”….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95618834/live-what-does-the-latest-poll-hold
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August 9, 2017 6:01pm
- realityczech
  
  It will be interesting to see if this white collar criminal – who is in a position of power and privilege – is treated like the poor and marginalised are when are when they commit benefit fraud.
  
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  August 9, 2017 6:17pm
ex-golfer

I repeat my earlier prediction: Labour will sell their souls to get out of opposition, even if that means giving Winston EVERYTHING he wants.
Labour will bank on Winston not lasting much of the first term anyway and then they can fully take over the helm. For them short term pain will = long term gain.

National are sleep-walking and unless they pull out some hard-hitting policy (ie: bribes….because if you can’t beat ’em you need to join ’em) the dream of a 4th term is dead……and it died the day Key decided to resign.

Its now too late for National to cozy up to the Greens for a Blue/Green coalition – the Greens are toxic.

This is all the result of National having limited options in coalition partners.
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August 9, 2017 6:15pm
- realityczech
  
  National are in great shape and have been since the day they took power many years ago. Their support has only ever moved by a few percent.
  
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  August 9, 2017 6:19pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    So you think National are in in great shape when they cannot govern on their own and are reliant on minimal parties?
    I don’t think you have quite grasped the realities of MMP.
    
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    August 9, 2017 6:25pm
    - realityczech
      
      The Greens and Labour combined could not get 50%.
      
      Labour will drop even lower when the wake up to that mule toothed communist and her absurd policies.
      
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      August 9, 2017 6:28pm
      - itstricky
        
        mule toothed communist
        
        Keeping Stock!
        
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        August 9, 2017 6:50pm
      - Nookin
        
        Not only KS.
        
        I really cannot see how someone gets their jollies by making personally offensive comments about features over which the target has no control and then call labour the nasty party, to boot.
        
        Each to their own, I suppose. It just makes the comment somewhat vaccuous.
        
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        August 9, 2017 7:30pm
- BrasellBrush
  
  Its a pity really, A blue/green (true green) coalition would be good (being the prodigy of hippy’s), however the GP over the last 15 years have changed to a fragmented party of SJW’s. I knew Jeanette F before she got into the GP and went to school with her children….She was a pure Green…then she came out and backed Metu….pfffft….Bummer really as I care about the environment but cant stand the entitlement society we have created. My 20yo son is a classic example of the snow flake generation….a bit like me 25 years ago voting with WIFFM (What’s in it for me)…. Two ticks blue as Captain Mainwaring would say or Gabby …. Tulixpu,…lmfao!
  
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  August 10, 2017 1:03am
Johnboy

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/newshub-reid-research-poll-jacinda-ardern-brings-labour-back.html

Note:… “Labour currently has 31 MPs in Parliament – however three will not be contesting this election. That means, based on this poll, Labour would get 13 fresh faces in, including Priyanca Radhakrishnan, Willow-Jean Prime, Kiri Allan, Greg O’Connor, Tamati Coffey and Willie Jackson.”

Some bloody top blokes and blokettes there then!! 🙂
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August 9, 2017 6:18pm
Fletch

National has promised tax cuts though. Maybe they need to keep repeating how much better off per week everyone will be.
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August 9, 2017 6:18pm
Inandout

Labour is going to bolt in, tell everyone that and their people will stay home. Jacinta’s honeymoon is in full swing.
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August 9, 2017 6:19pm
ex-golfer

A follow-up to my earlier prediction:
2018 will see increased taxation, increased interest rates, a falling dollar and a possibly even a return to negative migration as people with capacity and ability leaving the country in droves.

If young people are worried about affording a home now, they should be even more worried about it post 23 Sept!
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August 9, 2017 6:29pm
Happychappy

We have to keep sending the message “A vote for Green is vote for Fraud ” their Leaders were prepared to use fraud to help them get the votes to partner Labour in Government. how can you trust a Party that tried to incite dishonesty when dealing with Winz and what else are they capable of if given the chance. Two Ticks Blue .
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August 9, 2017 6:38pm
Steve (North Shore)

2 ticks blue
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August 9, 2017 7:07pm
- Gabby
  
  Tulixpu
  
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  August 9, 2017 8:40pm
Viking2

Metiria Turei will no longer be on the Green Party list but will campaign for the party vote only in Te Tai Tonga.

“Resigning as Co-Leader is my decision. The party did not ask me to resign and as recently as last night the executive gave me a vote of confidence,” said Mrs Turei.

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Green Party Co-Leader James Shaw has thanked Metiria Turei for her long years of service to the Green Party.

“Metiria has been a servant for the party, the environment and for our people for many years. Her dedication and commitment have been unparalleled. As I have said, she chose to tell her story in order to open a conversation – and she has done that,” said Mr Shaw.

“I urge everyone who believes in the environment and our people, including those who have come forward in the last few weeks, to continue with their support. It is more important than ever that we change the government,” said Mr Shaw.

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/89242/metiria-turei-resigns-green-party-co-leader

So essentially will be out of Parliament and back on the benefit presumably. Well who would employ her?
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August 9, 2017 7:57pm
realityczech

The media have gone hysterical over Labours modest increase in the latest poll. They are still a very sick dysfunctional party lagging well behind the Nats.

I am hoping they give her policies the same degree of coverage. Especially ones like charging a third of NZ 10c a liter on petrol and other planned tax increases.
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August 9, 2017 8:44pm
- BrasellBrush
  
  And Paddy Gower has fallen for the “jacinta effect” himself…lol idiot…if he dribbled any more he would slip on his own drool and face plant in comrade Jacinta’s lap….lol
  
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  August 10, 2017 12:29am
ex-golfer

Labours Tax on Water policy will become very interesting when the Brown’rocracy put their hands in the pot for a slice of the action.

Court action will be inevitable with the old claim of ownership under the Treaty (of water that miraculously falls from the sky via their hard work).
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August 9, 2017 9:12pm
- Gabby
  
  They might get a shock that Finkyson isn’t standing at the door with a chequebook and a pen.
  
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  August 10, 2017 9:35am
rangitoto

When do they announce the tax of breathing?
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August 9, 2017 11:07pm
Scorpion

Odakyu-sen

How prepared are the Japanese for the next upcoming War in the Pacific with China?
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August 9, 2017 11:13pm
Left Right and Centre

Wow – there’s just so much Meteria . . .

I just can’t take this much Meteria material – just on KB alone – without the rest of the bloody internet.
Sorry – I give up.
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August 10, 2017 4:22am
Left Right and Centre

Jan Logie – if anyone needs a reason to never vote green it’s idiots like her.

Self-described feminist lesbian. She looks like she’s half drunk half retarded and half having a stroke when she starts getting hysterically animated in the presence of people who don’t agree with her thinking. That’s three halves, yeah ? Doesn’t add up – like her.

She’s just a screaming over-emotional rude pushy shouty lunatic. Like trying to have a chat with an amped up hyper frontline fulltime activist protester on this week’s march.

And they want to run the country ? Do you see the weird contorted faces she pulls when spewing verbiage ? She comes across to me as stark raving bloody bonkers. Moves around like she’s got ants in her pants. I can’t take that shit seriously eh.
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August 10, 2017 4:46am
Manolo

The WSJ goes in:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mcmaster-and-the-commander-1502234710
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