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Stand back ! Its Hurricane Cindy !

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/95467650/jacinda-ardern-shows-her-steel-in-week-one
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August 5, 2017 8:01am
- Southern Raider
  
  Was just about to comment about the same thing.
  
  Another day another drooling Tracey Watkins puff piece on Cindy
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:08am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Every MSM and their dogs are behaving as if Tooth Fairy has won the election hands down and handing out portfolios left right and centre. The fat frog whether she wants it or not is never going to be a minister. Winnie the poo will kick them to touch. The toxic Greens will be sitting in opposition till the cows come home. Fat frog is staging a drama that she has done the ultimate sacrifice and the shameless MSM is worshipping at her feet. Shame on these creatures.
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:12am
  - Paulus
    
    Green Party Fat Frog should have and still should RESIGN as she is not fit to be an MP let alone her thoughts about being a Minister.
    Must be on something very strong.
    Sad really as there are so many decent people, even in the Greens.
    But they still thing she is a wonderful Social Justice Warrior and obviously represents them well.
    Cindy and her party has been very supportive too.
    Weasel words from her.
    
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    August 5, 2017 8:35am
    - holysheet
      
      Bullshit about any decent people in the greens. How can anyone defend this piece of shit for stealing from the taxpayer
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11899076
      
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      August 5, 2017 8:47am
      - oldpark
        
        She was overheard saying to a reporter. “DONT YOU KNOW WHO I AM”.
        
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        August 5, 2017 9:43am
      - sam green
        
        Bullshit oldpark.
        
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        August 5, 2017 9:55am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Rod Donald will be rolling in his grave
        
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        August 5, 2017 10:01am
      - starboard
        
        Turias a thief, a dirty low life thief and she should step down. Says a lot about politicians eh, no wonder they rate lower than used car dealers.
        
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        August 5, 2017 10:03am
  - Liberty
    
    What you fail to see. Is Winston has as much baggage as Miss Piggy. He will not be in Government without the Greens. All this talk of Winston the king maker is Crap. He is just one of three.
    It will show how low labour will stoop in a lust for power. By doing a deal with the Greens if Miss Piggy is still a Green MP.
    Then if the Miss Piggy faction was gone from the greens.
    Would a more enlighten Green party be able to do a deal with National.
    Not ideal but would be more acceptable then the racist bigots that infest NZF.
    
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    August 5, 2017 9:38am
    - Scorpion
      
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      Winston is GREAT
      
      All your little low life scummy schemes
      
      Would be give the Boot
      
      Your 15% GST
      
      Your MASS IMMIGRATION INVASION
      
      The Foreign State TAKE OVER you call
      
      ….INVESTMENT…….
      
      You know
      
      HE WOULD WIPE THE FLOOR
      
      with SHEEP SHEARER
      
      S h e ep S h a g g e r s
      
      NATIONAL are A JOKE
      
      A STANDING JOKE
      
      A FARCE A CORRUPTION
      
      AS BAD AS OR WORSE
      
      THAN THE GREENS
      
      JOHN KEY WAS
      THE BIGGEST JOKE
      
      AN ABSOLUTE FARCE
      
      Go Wipe you b u m on our Flag
      
      and sell NZ to CHINA
      
      with the NATIONAL SOCIALISTs
      
      as BAD as LABORE
      
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      August 5, 2017 10:20am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Shit, could someone please bring the straitjacket.
        
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        August 5, 2017 11:28am
      - Nermal
        
        *Scorpion channeling Phil U*
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:35pm
      - Liberty
        
        Scorpion
        “Winston is GREAT”
        
        At peddling bullshit.
        
        “All your little low life scummy schemes
        Would be give the Boot
        Your 15% GST”
        
        Is removal of GST another Winston bottom line promise?
        There has been so many it is hard to keep up.
        
        “Your MASS IMMIGRATION INVASION”
        
        More over emotive drivel
        
        “The Foreign State TAKE OVER you call
        ….INVESTMENT…….”
        
        Even more over emotive drivel.
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:52pm
- Cunningham
  
  If she had balls she would have ruled out working with the greens while that fraudster was part of the leadership. In the end it was a pretty weak response from ardern so goes to show how completely besotted the media are with her.
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:13am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I am much more pleased with the Herald editorial.
  
  Weekend Herald editorial: Second dishonest act makes Turei a liability
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11898947
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:13am
  - lifesgood
    
    Oh, for crying out loud, does anyone actually believe that she only enrolled at her boyfriends address to vote for a friend? of course she was living there. Once a liar, always a liar.
    
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    August 5, 2017 9:32am
    - Gabby
      
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      Why can’t we have more in the news about that nice honest Ponyboy man and his little boy papa I cannot tell a lie it was I Bingles? Please find Claire Trevor someone to fawn over.
      
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      August 5, 2017 9:43am
      - starboard
        
        Speak english ya fuckin retard.
        
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        August 5, 2017 10:04am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Make that two straightjackets.
        
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        August 5, 2017 11:29am
    - PhilBest
      
      O what a tangled web we weave
      When first we practice to deceive….
      
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      August 5, 2017 10:41am
    - KevOB
      
      MT evidently has no idea of what facing a judge in a courtroom is like. What they hear they do not accept as truthful; they have to be shown it to be truthful. No smirks are allowed there.
      A sociopath is never without her smile.
      
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      August 5, 2017 11:53am
- VicParking
  
  “Ardern’s challenge is to stamp her mark on policies like water, ” it took TRACY WATKINS to the second to last sentence to stop dribbling from her mouth and sum up the true situation. Evan though her sentence makes no sense.
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:14am
  - G152
    
    I’d love to see her stamp -anything- on water…
    Vacuous nonsense
    
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    August 5, 2017 8:30am
    - holysheet
      
      Unlike this pastor, cindy has god on her side?
      
      http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/804685/crocodile-attack-zimbabwe-pastor-walk-on-water-Jonathan-Mthethwa
      
      Where was god when he was needed.
      
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      August 5, 2017 9:34am
      - Gabby
        
        Right where he was needed.
        
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        August 5, 2017 9:44am
  - 3-coil
    
    Ardern’s first act of “leadership” should have been to stamp on the lying slug Turei. By accepting the welfare bludger’s Claytons mea culpa (to save the Labour-Green coalition) Ardern shows that the latest Labour “leader” is piss weak and out of her depth. Jacinda is too shallow to lead the country, they would have done better by promoting Kelvin Davis to the top role.
    
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    August 5, 2017 9:16am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Yup, Turei whooped her.
      
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      August 5, 2017 1:29pm
  - Adolf Fiinkensein
    
    She may well stamp but she’ll leave no mark.
    
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    August 5, 2017 9:48am
  - marcw
    
    Poor Tracy, water, drooling, “moist”, dribbling – enough to make you think she is Ardern’s BFF.
    
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    August 5, 2017 1:02pm
- CJames
  
  After non-stop media deification of Jacinda, is anyone aware of any actual hard data showing a swing from National to Labour? Or is it just people leaving NZF and the Greens to go home, if at all? Or are the media trying to cause a movement a la Katie Bradford last election? I suspect it is the last two.
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:21am
  - Paulus
    
    No wonder I can hear Winston still laughing.
    
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    August 5, 2017 8:36am
    - Scorpion
      
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      WINSTON For President
      
      Make NZ NZ Again
      
      WINSTON For President
      
      Make NZ NZ Again
      
      WINSTON For President
      
      Make NZ NZ Again
      
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      August 5, 2017 9:00am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Seems to have taken half the meds . . . .
        
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        August 5, 2017 9:28am
      - starboard
        
        ” NURSE “…
        
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        August 5, 2017 10:06am
      - GazzaW
        
        On weekend leave again Scorpion?
        
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        August 5, 2017 10:59am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Perhaps he got lost and thinks Kiwiblog is his halfway house.
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:04pm
      - Nermal
        
        With a friend like you Winston doesn’t need enemies.
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:37pm
    - PhilBest
      
      Is NZ heading for a similar surprise to Trump and Brexit? Things are certainly as weird and unpredictable as they have ever been in the lead-up to an NZ election. We’ll be able to explain what happens after it has happened, but as for accurate predictions – I doubt anyone will have done one.
      
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      August 5, 2017 9:25am
      - GazzaW
        
        We had Dotcom to deal with in 2014. Remember how the Nats were going to be torn down and replaced by a demonic coalition of the Dotcom fruitloops, Labour and the Greens? How did that work out then? Dotcom, Cunliffe, Harre, Norman all consigned to the political garbage bin.
        
        I have the greatest confidence in the NZ voter that when push comes to shove in the polling booth that they give a double tick for certainty. They might not like English or Joyce or Collins but they hate economic uncertainty more.
        
        Two ticks for Blue!
        
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        August 5, 2017 11:09am
      - PhilBest
        
        I think you are underestimating the Trump / Brexit effect that the great mass of voters might become tired of being sold out by “the elites” on both sides of “mainstream” politics. National has pushed their luck on this so far, I am rubbing my eyes in disbelief if there is no blow-back. The elites on both sides, of course, were spectacularly unable to see Trump or Brexit coming – but none more so than on the “RINO” or “Tory” “in name only” “centre right”.
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:01pm
      - Nermal
        
        And here we were a couple of weeks ago thinking this would be the most boring election in decades. Bring out the popcorn.
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:39pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Even a 1% uplift for Labour in the next opinion poll will be hailed as Jacinda magic by Paddy wet pants Gower and Commie Corin Dann. Tracey Watkins will blow the trumpet that National has been defeated. Be mentally prepared for this.
    
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    August 5, 2017 9:30am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  I gotta say the comments on that article and the fluff piece by Garner are quite refreshing, the level of reality expressed shows the media influence is waning and people are expressing themselves.
  The media needs to be held to account, ie why they report on nothing of importance to NZers.
  Try finding anything about Unemployment figures released this week, the BEPS from the previous thread, etc.
  Infotainment rules, the current crop of vacuous talking heads are completely worthless.
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:27am
  - B.L.Zeebub
    
    Interestingly enough, now the Lefties are out of bed and replying, they`ve shut the comments down.
    Pro-tip, get out of bed and comment before 11am.
    
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    August 5, 2017 11:37am
- RalphT
  
  It is surely no coincidence that within the next month we have the 20th anniversary of the death of Princess Diana and Mother Teresa. We now have the media doing its best to represent Jacinda as the reincarnation of both of them.
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:27am
  - Lance
    
    Some half wit in the media was saying she was Helun Klark and Lange in one.
    The mind boggles
    
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    August 5, 2017 3:54pm
- Inandout
  
  The comments are not all in favour of Jacinda, which is surprising for a left wing site. Many say she is not ready and will benefit from another 3 years in opposition. Few are worshipping her.
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:31am
- calendar girl
  
  A wonderful comment from an over-hyped Tracy Watkins:
  
  “She has been decisive – she ditched Little’s “fresh approach” slogan, re-booted the campaign, confirmed her top team and parachuted in Helen Clark’s old advisor, PR supremo Mike Munro.”
  
  1. The new slogan “Let’s do this” avoids telling us what we’re supposed to do.
  2. “…. re-booted the campaign ….” remains equally unexplained.
  3. “… confirmed her top team … ” did she have an alternative, like no “top team”?
  4. “… parachuted in …” – might have had to slip him in, actually, through the rear door.
  5. “… PR supremo …” – a status that Tracey herself appears to aspire to?
  
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  August 5, 2017 9:02am
  - G152
    
    The motto has been nicked from another source. Wonder if we’ll get the same load of bollocks from the fake news that happened with the Nats using a tune in the last election.
    Not holding my breath
    
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    August 5, 2017 9:20am
    - Adolf Fiinkensein
      
      Nike?
      
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      August 5, 2017 9:52am
    - starboard
      
      Wheres Matt? Is he still lying under the bus somewhere?
      
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      August 5, 2017 10:08am
    - Gabby
      
      LEEROOOY JENKINS!!
      
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      August 5, 2017 10:14am
      - Gabby
        
        ‘Least ah ain’t chicken.’
        
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        August 5, 2017 1:00pm
    - marcw
      
      Let’s Do It! MAGA. – Donald J Trump, 2016.
      
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      August 5, 2017 1:07pm
- Viking2
  
  Lots of talk about MT and the lies etc.
  Well plenty of past statements from Cindy that she didn’t want to be the Leader. Were they lies or just half truths?
  
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  August 5, 2017 9:06am
- thedavincimode
  
  The classic was some repeater type person commenting that porcelain chops has “dominated the headlines”. Well, the reason for that would have been plain if the dickhead concerned had taken the trouble to look in the mirror.
  
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  August 5, 2017 9:23am
CHFR1

Looks like the Greens have sent out an email blast to supporters. My FB feed is filled with mentions of something Paula Bennet has done (can someone seriously please enlighten me as to what this was) and Bill English taking money when he lived in Wellington.
Not the same thing folks and I am sorry to say I am losing respect for many “friends” who are falling for this.
Add to that the supposed smart women I know who are falling in love with Jacinda and I am seriously worried about my fellow Kiwis.
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August 5, 2017 8:08am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Read what Kelvin the crim hugging Davis has said. His mate called creature has decided to vote in this election and that too for Jacinda. If this creature gets up from on 23rd September and votes for Jacinda, this country deserves it for good.
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:14am
  - Paulus
    
    Cindy should not turn her back on Kelvin Davis – if she thinks he will be a behind me and do what I say she may well be surprised.
    He has already said things without her written approval and as a one time good headmaster he will not be easy to stop.
    He knows how to control children
    
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    August 5, 2017 8:39am
    - RF
      
      Cindy does not want Davis to have his photo with her on any political signs.
      
      I guess it’s all about her. Strange as last week she was happy being in the background as deputy.
      
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      August 5, 2017 10:57am
  - RF
    
    Is creature one of the Crims that Davis hugs. Not a good reference….
    
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    August 5, 2017 10:53am
- srylands
  
  In discussion with colleagues yesterday, several have told me that they will now vote Labour, switching from National or not voting at all.
  
  This won’t last. But it only needs to last 7 weeks.
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:16am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    No one who votes blue changes to red, your water cooler buďies are pissing in the product before drinking it.
    
    How can someone who has belief in personal responsibility, being in charge of their direction and outcomes in life, change their minds to vote for someone who is comfortable with theft, fraud, even if by association, and waiting for someone else to give something up so they can have something without any personal effort?
    
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    August 5, 2017 8:27am
    - kowtow
      
      Low IQ wimmin.
      
      Ain’t universalism wonderful.
      
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      August 5, 2017 6:19pm
  - oldpark
    
    Seems they will be voting for the demise of our Rockstar economy and one of the few stable ways of life in the world and enjoyed by us all. NZs National Government has a steady pair of hands ,and their track record,over many years has delivered that feeling of wellbeing.
    Wonder why would any common sense type of voter jeopardise that way of life to open the doors to much disruption and uncertainity,if crooked Green/Liebour get the treasury benches.
    
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    August 5, 2017 8:36am
    - Inandout
      
      The economy is definitely on a roll and new cars are selling like hot cakes; try and get a Honda RS or any popular make. Builders are flat tack and anyone really wanting to work and shows a keen attitude will find a job. A friend who works in a bank says that most customers are getting more affluent. For all his dourness, English has run a tight economic ship and a reckless Labour spending spree will bring our economy to its knees.
      
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      August 5, 2017 8:55am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    They are taking the micky out of you…So stay strong. Tooth Fairy won’t rule out increase in taxes now. At least Chicken Little ruled out tax increases but cancelled tax cuts. Tooth Fairy will do both.
    
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    August 5, 2017 9:32am
  - SteveRemmington
    
    I’m picking you work at an insolvency firm.
    
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    August 5, 2017 10:48am
- Happychappy
  
  They are probably lead by gabby the Delinquent clown that posts on here. To be honest I think Jacinta and James let their base supporters down today as all they have done is endorsed theft and fraud amongst our younger generation the ones they are supposed to be leaving a good impression on.
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:21am
- pdm
  
  `I am losing respect for many “friends” who are falling for this.’
  
  I heard Jeanette Fitzsimons with Rachel Smalley last evening defending Turei when she should have chucked her into her composing dunny.
  
  To her credit Smalley challenged Fitzsimons on her support of Turei.
  
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  August 5, 2017 9:24am
- Gabby
  
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  I was a bit worried about the blokyblokes and their desperate crushing on Ponyboy. I got over it though.
  
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  August 5, 2017 9:56am
  - B.L.Zeebub
    
    Nope, we still can`t hear the voices in your head.
    
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    August 5, 2017 11:49am
- RF
  
  CHFR1.
  
  Yep… I’m getting the same shit. What about Paula, What about Bill. Both fraudsters etc……
  
  Just rumours started by the left to divert from their problems…..
  
  I can just picture them in the dead of night wearing pointed hats and sitting around a boiling cauldron muttering incantations. Hair of Paula, eye of Bill etc…
  
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  August 5, 2017 10:51am
- KevOB
  
  The Bill English non-issue is the old parliamentarians pay scheme allowing for certain accommodation payments. The Greens also used those payments and diverted them to their own purposes. See Adolf Fiinkensein comment a little below.
  
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  August 5, 2017 12:00pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Bill English had approval from Parliamentary Services and as far as I can make out Paula Bennett’s ‘offences’ have been dreamt up over at the standard & even they are being very careful about their wording.
    
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    August 5, 2017 1:17pm
    - Gabby
      
      He got them to agree it wasn’t outright theft even if it was a classless dick move. Good enough for me thinks Bingles.
      
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      August 5, 2017 3:13pm
      - GazzaW
        
        A ‘classless dick’ exercise practised by many a Labour MP.
        
        ……and speaking of classless dicks Gobby.
        
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        August 5, 2017 5:05pm
calendar girl

Andrew Little’s “Legacy for Labour“: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/80592598/labour-and-green-leaders-announce-closer-cooperation-agreement

Signed less than 10 weeks ago, long may that infamous MOU endure as his memorial stone.
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August 5, 2017 8:15am
oldpark

Now the dust has settled,and Angry Andy Little’s replacement,fresh from her blatant lies,that Angry Andy resigned,when in fact he was fired. The replacement has come up with another clanger,in conjunction with her partners in slime the Fake News Media sycophants,”Lets do this” and support our joined at the hip the toxic corrupt Green /Liebour Partys. Where would we be if we dumped crooked ME-TU and her corrupt Green Party ,we need their votes,to help us make sure that the NZ taxpayer pay their fair share of tax,at least up to 40% . Not forgetting that Turei has become addicted to stealing from NZ taxpayer,and finds it hard to resign and give up her $250,000 parliamentary salary. Us as a joined at the hip Green /Lie-bour Party support her endeavours.
That is the message that Angry Andy Little’s replacement is saying.
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August 5, 2017 8:16am
- Paulus
  
  It looks very unlikely that Andy at his new party ranking level will actually get back into Parliament, but that is why the ranking was done.
  To continue to see him as part of Cindy’s team would be to her unseemly.
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:42am
- Adolf Fiinkensein
  
  Was Turei part of that Greens cabal which rorted the taxpayer big time by transferring ownership of their homes to private superannuation funds to which they then paid massive ‘rent’ and claimed it back from Parliamentary Services?
  
  They never really change, do they?
  
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  August 5, 2017 9:58am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    No; she entered Parliament in 2002, but the rort was in the term before that.
    
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    August 5, 2017 10:30am
Chuck Bird

This is very close to home. It would be highly likely there would be Kiwis on that jet.

Inside flight EY 451: Etihad Airways jet targeted by ‘meat grinder bomb’ was carrying up to 412 people

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11899096
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August 5, 2017 8:21am
- Southern Raider
  
  There is no Islamic threat to Kiwis
  
  We should let more in
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:27am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    With that, I would guess that Gabby’so posts here make sense to you as well then. ?
    
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    August 5, 2017 8:31am
  - Southern Raider
    
    I think my sarcasm was too subtle
    
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    August 5, 2017 10:31am
    - Gabby
      
      Puller’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
      
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      August 5, 2017 1:02pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Nothing wrong with your sarcasm, I just enjoy the dig, a smile a day blah blah blah. . . .
      
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      August 5, 2017 1:13pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  But, but but…
  Muslims attempting to blow up an airliner owned by a Muslim company (Etihad Airways)… that just doesn’t make any sense.
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  August 5, 2017 8:48am
  - PhilBest
    
    The victims of Muslim terrorism globally over the recent decades, has always been something like 10X as many Muslims as non-Muslims. It is far more of a “fact of life” within Muslim countries, exporting terror to the west is still in its infancy by comparison.
    
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    August 5, 2017 9:19am
    - PhilBest
      
      There is Shia terrorism against Sunni, Sunni terrorism against Shia, and “extremist” terrorism against “moderates” (or “the faithful” against “apostates”, depending on your viewpoint).
      
      “Moderate Muslims” have the biggest death toll from “Muslim terrorism” of all humanity, but as yet they don’t seem to be fully effective as a push-back group against terror in the west. Is the underlying problem here, that radicals tend to emigrate more than moderates, or that the moderates in the west aren’t placed (eg attending the right mosques) to whistle-blow?
      
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      August 5, 2017 9:45am
      - Gabby
        
        It’s because when moderates start cutting off heads they’re not being very moderate. Moderates keep their heads down and hope the whole shitty mess goes away.
        
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        August 5, 2017 10:03am
      - PhilBest
        
        It is an interesting point you raise, Gabby. We are constantly told there is a risk of “alienating the moderates” if we get too tough in trying to shut out the extremists.
        
        I say that if that is a problem, then so much for the myth of Muslim “moderateness”.
        
        Decent people in Italy don’t rush out and join the Mafia because the government cracks down on the Mafia – decent people are thankful for the crackdown. Decent people in crime-infested neighbourhoods don’t turn to crime because of “broken windows” policing and “stop and frisk” and tough measures like that – they are grateful that their neighbourhood is being made safer. Truly moderate Muslims who are already in the west, would be thankful for stricter control on immigration and what is allowed to be preached in Mosques, because it makes THEM safer as well as everyone else.
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:05pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Philbest
        
        Decent people in Italy don’t rush out and join the Mafia because the government cracks down on the Mafia – decent people are thankful for the crackdown.
        
        The problem with that analysis is that it is not how most human beings, “decent” or not, react in practice. In 1969 the Catholic communities of Northern Ireland welcomed the British military with open arms as they thought they would protect them from Unionist violence. But after the crackdown in their community to try and root out the IRA, by 1971 that same Catholic community was radicalised and deeply anti-British and a ripe field for IRA recruits…which was the result the radicals in the IRA wanted all along…
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:13pm
      - PhilBest
        
        Kimbo, where your analogy fails, is that the Irish Catholic neighbourhoods were not in need of protection from “their OWN” terrorists and criminals. The Unionists you speak of that they needed protection from, were “the other side”. The IRA was “their side”.
        
        But there is definitely some truth in the problem with western “interventions” and so on, not that it “offends all Muslims” but that whatever you do offends SOME Muslims. If you remove a Sunni dictator, the Shia will love you but the Sunnis will rush out and join “the resistance”. No western commentators ever make this distinction about “local Muslims getting radicalised” by “our actions”. We actually can’t win. If we “prop up” the Sunni dictator rather than remove him, we are a target for disgruntled Shia. And vice versa. And if we support “secular liberal reformers” we don’t just antagonise the fundamentalists, we antagonise the 50%, 60%, 70% of Muslims who respond to polls with support for the death penalty for apostasy, honour killing for loose girls, jail for gays, etc etc.
        
        I stand by my argument that a culture made up of great majorities who are hair-trigger offense-takers, and a significant minority of hair-trigger terror volunteers, is not a culture “of peace” at all.
        
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        August 5, 2017 5:19pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Philbest
        
        Kimbo, where your analogy fails, is that the Irish Catholic neighbourhoods were not in need of protection from “their OWN” terrorists and criminals. The Unionists you speak of that they needed protection from, were “the other side”. The IRA was “their side”.
        
        No, not exactly right. The IRA, as kowtow has pointed out a number of times, were not Catholic but Republican. Hence they did not view the Protestant Unionists as “the enemy”, but rather as future countrymen in a united Ireland. The British were the enemy. But, like Muslim jihadists, they sought to radicalise the wider Republican/Catholic community from which they were drawn – a community that initially held the IRA in contempt, until the British army went in with a too heavy a hand. No matter what the difference between then and now, that is the rule of thumb I’d suggest. As with the British stamping out communism in Malaya, you need a hearts-and-minds campaign that gains the confidence of the communities in which the radicals hide if you are to stamp ’em out.
        
        But yes, as per my exchange with Inandout, “Isalm” doesn’t mean “peace”, it means “submission” in the first instance. Allegedly “peace” comes once you do submit, but again, as you say, there is precious little proof of that in a number of Muslim lands, civil wars included. And yes, if the West stands by and does nothing we are blamed, if we get involved we are blamed… 😉
        
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        August 5, 2017 5:30pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They were going to blow up their brother as well. He was taking the bomb unaware that it had been put in his luggage.
    I suppose the good Muslims that got blown up would go straight to paradise.
    
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    August 5, 2017 9:41am
    - RF
      
      Were the promised virgins on the same flight or had they gone on a earlier flight.
      
      Most important to know this.
      
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      August 5, 2017 11:03am
      - B.L.Zeebub
        
        They`re still in the back paddock.
        
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        August 5, 2017 11:53am
    - KevOB
      
      The organisers too?
      
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      August 5, 2017 12:04pm
  - VicParking
    
    Sunni vs Shia
    Bit like Catholic vs Prodestant back 1000 years ago, stake burning etc.
    
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    August 5, 2017 1:23pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Only 4 – 500 years ago Vic.
      The protestant revolt happened after 1517 in Europe, and in England 1530 with the dear adulterous King Henry.
      
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      August 5, 2017 3:17pm
      - Kimbo
        
        The protestant ~~revolt~~ Reformation
        
        There! Fixed that for ya! 😉
        
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        August 5, 2017 4:07pm
- Inandout
  
  And the word ‘muslim’ is mentioned how many times?
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:58am
  - Kimbo
    
    “ISIS” was mentioned twice, plus a third time as a bookmark.
    
    ISIS = Islamic State of Iraq and Syria
    
    Islamic = the adjective describing the religion of…Muslims
    
    Muslim = in the original Arabic a nominal participle of Islam,…so…
    
    Islam = “submission”, “Muslim” = “one who submits”. Same sort of connection between “Christian” and “Christianity”, or “Buddhist” and “Buddhism”.
    
    Happy? Ah, no, your question was rhetorical…
    
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    August 5, 2017 9:43am
    - Inandout
      
      You meant of course in your convoluted reply that almost all terrorists are muslim.
      
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      August 5, 2017 10:43am
      - Kimbo
        
        The emphatic adverbial phrase “of course” is an example of Kimbo’s* law in action. They just can’t help rolling their turd of a misrepresentation in rhetorical glitter! 😉 . But, hey, if you find that “convoluted”, next time I see “the USA launched an attack”, I’ll look to see you or maybe yoza bitching and grizzling because they didn’t mention “the United States of America…”
        
        Now, care for another round of pigeon chess? I’m getting lots of practice lately up against someone around here whose politics and rhetorical style seem not too dissimilar to your own…
        
        * “in blogworld the validity of an argument is in inverse proportion to the use of emphatic adverbs”.
        
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        August 5, 2017 10:51am
Manolo

How will Labour lite react to comrade Toothy Ardern’s early moves?
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August 5, 2017 8:21am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Keep the ship on a steady course and the powder dry as evidenced by the very lack of anything from National about the to toothy mule appointment and the theiving frog.
  
  Same as the candidate for the Green Parrot
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:35am
  - Gabby
    
    They haven’t had time to attack her and announce Labour’s Aucklnd transport funding boost for them.
    
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    August 5, 2017 10:06am
    - PhilBest
      
      Translation: announce their next sell-out to creeping socialism. Train sets, trams, battery-hen living, central planning, Agenda 21, etc etc
      
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      August 5, 2017 10:49am
  - KevOB
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    August 5, 2017 12:05pm
    - Gabby
      
      Tulixpu.
      
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      August 5, 2017 1:05pm
- Gabby
  
  They’ll see if there are any bits of policy that can be filched and claimed as theirs all along.
  
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  August 5, 2017 10:05am
oldpark

If elected the WINZ self confessed benefit thief, Materialistic Turei says she dosn’t want a Ministerial Position.
Wonder how long that threat would last for,as there was no time limit.
Even Angry Angry Little’s replacement deliberately ignored the time factor. Such as three days three months or years,or never. Makes the replacement,as shallow as a car park pond,what an indictment.
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August 5, 2017 8:23am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  Turei has most certainly set a precedent, I doubt she`ll see the inside of a courtroom, the MSD or IRD will not have the guts to charge her.
  I`m guessing her files will be “missing” and they`ll be unwilling/ unable to prosecute.
  Tho` gawd forbid if you are a day late with your tax or child support, the full weight of the govt will come down.
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:35am
  - PhilBest
    
    I have yet to see the Gweens or their SJW supporters express any sympathy for struggling small businessmen getting started, trying to avoid tax “so they can feed their kids”….
    
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    August 5, 2017 10:53am
  - VicParking
    
    When I retired Work and Income suddenly started taking money from my pension. I asked Why? They said that 25 years ago they miscalculated the child support I was paying. As it was only $750 dollars they dont follow it up until I am on a benifit. As I had worked for those 25 years they only got the chance when I turned 65. I will be pissed off if the Frog gets away with it after only 20 years…..
    
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    August 5, 2017 1:32pm
- MH
  
  they forgave Sonny Bill..
  
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  August 5, 2017 2:17pm
VicParking

Helen beat the Tooth fairy two to one in photos on the “failing newspaper” on line and three two in articles.
A friends episode this weeks sums up the tooth fairy to a “T”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u8QRFPNfI8M
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August 5, 2017 8:25am
flipper

Think of all the ACT and National MPs drummed from office by the MSM creeps. But the gold standard does NOT apply to Greens and tooth fairies. WHY ????????????
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August 5, 2017 8:27am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  You’re new here aren’t you?
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:37am
- Kimbo
  
  I know your question is rhetorical, flipper, but here goes: Ultimately a political scandal is about hypocrisy and brand incongruity, not illegality. As the Greens are “anti-establishment” doing something illegal like getting arrested on an oil rig protest, or even taking extra money because “the evil system” does not pay beneficiaries enough is not a career killer with their supporters. With some of them it is even a badge of honour. But If Turei had logged a pohutakawa tree on her property to turn it into pulp for shiny porno mags? Yep. Career killer.
  
  Hence as David Garrett’s brand was ‘anti-crime’, he had to be squeaky clean. Same with “law-and-order” Silent Majority Middle American champion President Richard Nixon. Watergate was a fuss about nothing, but it was the political incongruity involved in the affair – secret taping, “expletive deleted”, contemplating paying hush money, dismissing a special prosecutor – that undid his support among his support base long before the ‘smoking gun’ tape was released.
  
  And it is also why Bill Clinton, among his Democrat constituency and media that is far less judging of sex outside of marriage, dodged the bullet in his impeachment hearing…when it was never “just about sex”, but rather his activities lent credibility to the Paula Jones sexual harassment civil case.
  
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  August 5, 2017 8:38am
  - SGA
    
    And, closer to home, why candidates fighting for “family values” and “decency” need to be squeaky clean – e.g., our Poet Laureate, Colin Craig.
    Add: That said, I’d love to be a fly on the wall to some conversations among more “restrained” Green supporters. I know one or two, but haven’t had a chance to run into them.
    
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    August 5, 2017 8:54am
    - Kimbo
      
      Yep. So Todd Barclay in a centre right “uphold law and order and standards” party can’t go playing the “my lawyer has advised me I don’t have to answer any more of your questions” card with the police. Legally-entitled to do so as an ordinary citizen? Yeah, sure. But it was always incongruous for a National MP – which is why the National Party should have cut him loose a long time before!
      
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      August 5, 2017 8:58am
      - PhilBest
        
        Actually a lot of ordinary people have at least some sneaking sympathy for Todd Barclay. The legal balances have been tipped by creeping socialism, very much in favour of disloyal and ratbag employees (National have only played around half-arsed with this) and against employers. Ratbag employees are the ones who don’t deserve sympathy, not the employers struggling to cope with them and stay onside with the law in all its complexities, and stay solvent.
        
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        August 5, 2017 10:56am
      - Kimbo
        
        The legal balances have been tipped by creeping socialism…
        
        The 90 day Act? Or did that piece if free market legislation escape your assessment of “Vichy National”? 😉
        
        But yes, I agree that some of the employment dispute legislation is Byzantine. Mind you, many employers and all but one MP seem to navigate it successfully, so, as one boss told me when I once tried to make excuses for my under-performance, “if others can do it, why can’t you?”
        
        And believe it it or, for once that shut me up on the spot! 😉
        
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        August 5, 2017 10:59am
      - PhilBest
        
        “The 90 Day Act” – yeah, brave, really pushing back.
        
        Wasn’t it Roger Douglas who said something like “your political opponents will make just as much noise whether you tinker, or do real reforms. Therefore, if you believe in anything, do real reforms, because then there is more chance of your program demonstrating its effectiveness”?
        
        What we have now after 9 years of Labour Lite, is the left-created perception of “harsh right wing National” now applying to a few piddling concessions to reality. The stated position of, say, David Lange in his entire lifetime (eg on the meaning of the Treaty of Waitangi), is now “racist fringe extremism”.
        
        The excuses that National has “merely had to go with the flow of contemporary political trends” is exactly the attitude of Frenchmen in 1940 who thought that adopting the enemy’s program in return for nominal sovereignty, was preferable to fighting actual battles “on principle” and accepting honourable defeat for however long it took. And we are talking about mere political arguments in the public sphere, not bloody and deadly warfare.
        
        John Howard lost an election early on in his career but always said “winning the argument is more important than winning the election”. Nine years later he got the mandate, and even now, years later, there are things he “defined”, that Labour over there don’t dare to wind back. Like the level of subsidy to private schools, which is around 3 times ours – and that is reflected in the proportion of schoolchildren outside the State system. It actually saves taxpayers money because the cost per child, of a Public education, is several times as much as the subsidy per child to private schools. National here has spent nine years timidly getting a handful of Charter Schools off the ground.
        
        The list of contrasts is a significant one. Even if the Liberals over there are having a bit of infighting over stuff like whether CAGW is BS or not, that is preferable to them being wall-to-wall Vichy like National over here.
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:25pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Philbest
        
        Nine years later (John Howard) got the mandate…Like the level of subsidy to private schools, which is around 3 times ours…
        
        Sorry, now I’m confused. I thought you were a free marketeer and yet you are in favour of education subsidies?! 😉
        
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        August 5, 2017 3:33pm
      - PhilBest
        
        Subsidies to competitors to the State schooling system, and tax breaks for health insurance, are examples of partial concessions to the principle of market competition. The State systems in each case are “100% subsidised”.
        
        “Vouchers” or the funding following the child, are a good “mixed economic system” that moves 100% to the principle of market competition yet without abolishing government “provision of free education”. A partial subsidy of private schools is like a “partial voucher” system. It is still not at the boldest end of the scale of reforms, but it is a long way further than our Vichy centre-right.
        
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        August 5, 2017 5:26pm
      - Kimbo
        
        partial concessions to the principle of market competition…is still not at the boldest end of the scale of reforms, but it is a long way further than our Vichy centre-right.
        
        So not “Vichy”, more “Franco’s Spain”? 😉
        
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        August 5, 2017 5:40pm
    - Kimbo
      
      BTW, SGA, I’ve been looking more into that alleged Martin Luther, “Better to be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian Prince” quote we discussed yesterday evening on GD. You are right, it seems there is a lot of traffic on the interweb seeking to ascribe the origin to… Pat Robertson(!!) and no earlier than 1988! Not quite the first half of the 16th Century. 😉
      
      However, it was always a favourite quote and advise of former Nixon-era Presidential Counsel and later Christian political commentator, Charles Colson. Indeed, I’ve found this source from 1987, an examination by former LBJ Presidential press secretary Bill Moyers into Christian Reconstructionism where Colson uses it:
      
      On Earth As It Is In Heaven
      December 23, 1987
      
      http://billmoyers.com/content/earth-heaven/
      
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      August 5, 2017 9:21am
      - SGA
        
        This is the first “article” that I came across – it does go on a bit (I didn’t get to the end, I confess). You’ve probably come across it already, but just in case –
        http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2012/08/luthers-wise-turk-quote-that-he-didnt-say/
        
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        August 5, 2017 9:25am
      - kowtow
        
        kimbo
        
        perhaps older.
        Ascribed to Lucas Notaras about the fall of Jerusalem.
        
        Better the turban than a tiara?
        
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        August 5, 2017 9:32am
      - Kimbo
        
        Ah, thanks kowtow! “The last Megas Doux of the Byzantine Empire”, although as the Byzantine’s used to view the Latin Papacy as a longer-standing and sometimes even more dangerous enemy than the Turks, I’m not sure it captures the nuance in the original alleged Luther quote. But then both were at the time of the development of printing, so one can guess at how cross-fertilisation and mixing of ideas and misattributing of the source may have occurred.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loukas_Notaras
        
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        August 5, 2017 9:54am
      - PhilBest
        
        It may have been in popular usage, and Luther very likely just used it.
        
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        August 5, 2017 10:58am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Good post Kimbo
    
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    August 5, 2017 8:55am
    - RalphT
      
      Yes,well said.
      
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      August 5, 2017 9:00am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Kimbo,
    Thank you for bringing that to our attention.
    Rort the taxpayer. You are wonderful.
    Cut down a pohutukawa tree. You are kurikai, in the eyes of Green Party acolytes.
    
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    August 5, 2017 10:07am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  It is “OK” when the left do it…
  
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  August 5, 2017 9:34am
nasska

…..”our Poet Laureate, Colin Craig”…..

That name rings a bell……how’s he getting on nowadays? 🙂
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August 5, 2017 8:57am
- SGA
  
  From what I can tell, the only thing he’s successfully tried is the patience of some judges.
  
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  August 5, 2017 9:16am
Scorpion

Comrade Jacinda Ardern uses the word comrade 15 times in just 7 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig

Another Communist

Enjoy Comrades
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August 5, 2017 8:59am
- thedavincimode
  
  PARDON?
  
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  August 5, 2017 9:26am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Has Comrade Cindy been colluding with the Russians to become PM of NZ? Heaven forbid
  
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  August 5, 2017 10:37am
  - PhilBest
    
    Nah, the MSM only ever beats up “right wing” politicians alleged collusion with Russia.
    
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    August 5, 2017 11:18am
Positan

What’s the old line about being so crooked they can’t lie straight in bed? Labour/Greens have given reason after reason as to why they should NEVER be in government – but, either the intelligence of large parts of the electorate has collapsed inward or electors in the main have become completely undiscerning of once-substantial values, we now see not only the excusing and accepting of trashy conduct but the outright condoning and upholding of it.
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August 5, 2017 8:59am
Odakyu-sen

Has this man been infected by “victim-itis”?
Ref: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11898540

“I went in there, proceeded to check out and the manager said ‘you’re not a normal shopper. You’re buying everything on special’. He said we can’t serve you and asked me to leave.”
(The supermarket seems to have a policy of ejecting shoppers who only buy larges amounts of items that are “on special”).
David Chan then claims that the supermarket manager assumed he was a shop owner because he is Asian.
Does this man complain too much (claiming that he bought all these items for his own home use)?

Most importantly of all, is this a case of the supermarket disagreeing with someone’s race or with someone’s behavior? If the supermarket objected to a specific behavior, then how can that be racist?

After all, why would a motel operator want to purchase “six packs of toilet paper, a dozen boxes of tissues, four litres of washing detergent and three toilet cleaning products” at the same time.
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August 5, 2017 9:00am
- waikatogirl
  
  Being a supermarket I would have thought NW would be happy to sell as much product as possible. What difference does it make who is making the purchase? What is the difference that the man is a local businessman? Is buying NW specials in bulk not allowed?
  
  – disclaimer, as a business owner from time to time we have purchased items for business use from NW. All the better if they are on special! ?
  But then again, we are not Chinese
  
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  August 5, 2017 9:40am
  - kowtow
    
    Yeah I had the same thoughts.
    Almost pythonesque.
    
    Excuse me sir that’s not for sale, put it back or I’ll call security.
    
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    August 5, 2017 10:10am
  - Kimbo
    
    Discounted items function in the same way as loss-leaders. They are designed to get people in the store in the hope they buy…lots more. So a bulk “smash and grab” raid that avoids other purchases, and leaves less stock to entice others in, is counter-productive to the loss you are making offering the discount.
    
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    August 5, 2017 10:14am
    - PhilBest
      
      There is an old joke about a small Jewish grocer who ended up with a large supermarket opening next door. The Supermarket started cutting the price on butter as its loss leader. The grocer promptly responded with big window signs advertising butter at 1 cent cheaper again per block. The supermarket, not to be out-done, cut the price again but the grocer responded, again 1 cent cheaper.
      
      After several days of this, the supermarket manager visited the grocer and said “OK, we accept that we can’t go on like this, we are now losing 30 cents on every block of butter we are selling”. The grocer replied, “That’s interesting, I am only losing 1 cent…..”
      
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      August 5, 2017 11:24am
    - waikatogirl
      
      You can still only sell it once. Better to take the sale than be left with it sitting on the shelf.
      That’s what ‘Sold Out’ signs are for. ?
      
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      August 5, 2017 3:04pm
- Inandout
  
  All retailers have a ‘right to restrict quantities’. I have seen Asians (obviously dairy owners) with trolleys full of soft drinks, which they simply can’t buy any cheaper through the wholesalers. When I had a dairy eons ago I would source my Coke through the supermarkets. Same with tinned food.
  
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  August 5, 2017 10:49am
  - VicParking
    
    In Auckland P&S have a special lane for dairy owners to bulk buy.
    
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    August 5, 2017 1:40pm
stigie

Please feel sorry for me, i have just been to see WINZ and i feel really really poorly !~

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/k/s/s/f/y/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620×349.1ktt8k.png/1501867196407.jpg
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August 5, 2017 9:08am
- Nermal
  
  So, not wearing a designer jacket today.
  
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  August 5, 2017 12:48pm
- RF
  
  Shit…. time to go back to my humble castle and pull up the drawer bridge.
  
  Got to keep those peasants out otherwise they will steal my designer clothing.
  
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  August 5, 2017 1:15pm
marquess

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
And the Ardern Derangement Syndrome (ADS) has begun already. That was remarkably quick!
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August 5, 2017 9:14am
- Jack5
  
  The wimmun who run and dominate our mainstream media have jumped into Ardern’s campaign team with enthusiasm.
  
  Pretence of even coverage has been abandoned. The nearest I’ve seen to even a brief nod to balance was the Christchurch Press roping in Martin van Beynen, of Bain case fame, to give a one-piece man view.
  
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  August 5, 2017 9:22am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I accidently reported Marquess and felt bad for a second or two and then I wrote this, as close to an apology to anyone with aids (Ardern induced disconnect syndrome) will probably get.
    
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    August 5, 2017 9:40am
  - PhilBest
    
    I know it is non-PC to say this, but it is true that women voters trend towards voting “for a woman”; while men vote for policies, regardless of the gender of the party leaders concerned.
    
    I have always said that National could not possibly have done worse in 2002 had they simply kept Jenny Shipley on after 1999. You might not like that assessment, but it is logical and rational.
    
    There is another factor, involving the male politician’s fecundity, which also explains the 2002 wipeout with women voters. A man with a nice little planned family and a wife he obviously shares the trousers with, does’t lose as many women voters.
    
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    August 5, 2017 11:30am
    - Kimbo
      
      Yes, I always thought English made a mistake rolling Shipley. The 2002 election was almost certainly always going to be won by Clark, and Shipley’s leadership would have been untenable after a second election loss in 2002…leaving the way open for English. Sure, Brash’s Orewa speech hastened National’s comeback, but English was saying the same sort of things before then but not getting cut-through in the extended Clark media honeymoon that was her first term. Also, Clark’s control-freak instincts meant it was just a matter of time before she pissed off enough of middle NZ, and the pendulum began to swing back.
      
      Having said that, I am grateful to her (and the tax payer) for the subsidised nicotine patches and support mechanisms. Without that I would not have had the budget nor the willpower to have a concerted go at kicking the ~~habit~~ addiction and likely adding years to my life…
      
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      August 5, 2017 11:45am
      - PhilBest
        
        Hey, love it that we agree on 2002. I am just surprised that you are so clear about Brash’s position being mainstream National (and even David Lange agreed on the Treaty of Waitangi) and the inevitability of Helen’s eventual loss; yet you seem to regard the systemic sellout on almost all principles, from 2008 onwards, as justified. Including out-bidding even Helen to win the favours of the Iwi Mafia and the disgraceful revisionists of the “Waitangi Tribunal” and the luvvie SJW hangers-on that infest the media and academia.
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:31pm
    - Gabby
      
      No, men vote for someone they think would stoop to pretending to enjoy a beer with them.
      
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      August 5, 2017 1:11pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Do women always vote for women? Not likely, it’s a myth, although I imagine in some circles it does happen. I have worked with enough women to know that some of them, like some of their male counterparts can be awful at leadership. I vote for the best candidate.
      
      Everything running well in NZ is a result of the good economy. National is far more focused on continuing careful spending and not virtue signalling with taxpayers money, so National will be getting my vote.
      
      2 ticks Blue.
      
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      August 5, 2017 3:15pm
- dad4justice
  
  “Ardern Derangement Syndrome (ADS)” Holy hell I hope the severe symptoms experienced under the malignant Klarkula Derangement Syndrome do not flare up again?
  
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  August 5, 2017 9:27am
  - PhilBest
    
    You really mean the malignant Klarkula mass hypnosis syndrome – we are using ‘derangement syndrome’ in the context of enmity, not blind support.
    
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    August 5, 2017 11:33am
- Rachael Membery
  
  She should be so lucky lol
  
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  August 5, 2017 2:01pm
Jack5

More rot in Immigration NZ. Staff are being investigated for corruption, reports the Hooerald.

Immigration NZ has a bad track record, going back at least to the days when Middle East visas were being security cleared by part-time Thai staff in Bangkok. Then there was the bogus Ph.D.

Why is such a sensitive and important department allowed to employ non-citizens?

Why is Bumbler Woodford, the Minister, No. 10 on the National party list, ahead of people like Judith Collins (no. 16)? She is an electorate MP, but the party list is something of a power ranking.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11897599
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August 5, 2017 9:18am
holysheet

Look and enjoy a good laugh.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/seven-sharp/clips/there-s-a-new-person-in-charge-but-do-kiwis-know-who-the-labour-party-leader-is

Jacinta who?

As much as I enjoy taking the piss, I despair that there are so many dumb arse people out there.
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August 5, 2017 9:22am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Half of all people are of below-average intelligence.
  
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  August 5, 2017 9:34am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Only if zero people are of average intelligence 😉
    
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    August 5, 2017 10:01am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And they get to vote !!!!!!
  
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  August 5, 2017 11:51am
DifferentPerspective

The KB echo chamber is out of touch

There’s many haters on here for WOBH, but he seems to be picking the right outcomes.

He was making noises about Jacinda’s ascent just before the election a long time ago.

What if he’s right about how Winnie will play the post-election negotiations. WO has posited that Winnie will confound all the pundits and do two things:
– agree to a Nat/NZF only coalition on supply only
– sit on the cross-benches and make the Nats ‘bend the knee’ for every single piece of legislation one by one.

Winnie doesn’t want baubles – he wants utu. What better way to extract every last ounce of vengeance!

You may not like WO, you may not like what he is suggesting, but a wise man once said “you shouldn’t choose to believe something, just because you want to believe it” and many commenters here want to believe WO is wrong about how this election is going to play out.

Personally, I think that it’s important to see MMP for what it is – the natural successor to Monty Python in terms of delivering the most farcical of comedic entertainment to the people of NZ!
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August 5, 2017 9:36am
- nasska
  
  ….”– agree to a Nat/NZF only coalition on supply only
  – sit on the cross-benches and make the Nats ‘bend the knee’ for every single piece of legislation one by one.”….
  
  Makes sense. WP is a Nat but his party isn’t.
  
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  August 5, 2017 9:45am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  And like the sketch where the knight has all his appendages cut off, we will have to endure MMP until all our options are exhausted and the turkey MP’s finally allow the unwashed peasants vote for their Christmas
  
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  August 5, 2017 9:47am
- Gruffydd
  
  The KB echo chamber is out of touch
  
  Then quotes WOBH
  
  How many have been banned from here for having opinions at odds with the majority?
  Whale has an echo chamber because the moderation is extreme.
  
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  August 5, 2017 10:02am
  - PhilBest
    
    I think that is unfair. I have experience of WOBH moderation being very reactionary, but it is automated, and if you use the right “contact” forms the issues get resolved.
    
    The moderation there is automated and reactionary because WOBH has been targeted repeatedly by hackers and other online attacks. KB has not. I interpret this to mean that WOBH is a danger to the Left and its cronies, and KB, largely representing sellout Vichy National positions, is not.
    
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    August 5, 2017 11:45am
    - Gruffydd
      
      Sell out .
      Would that be something like whale sucking on Peters dick because no one in national takes him seriously any more ?
      
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      August 5, 2017 1:31pm
      - PhilBest
        
        I despise Peters but National has given him miles of room on several issues, and National are sellouts for doing so.
        
        If I was a Frenchman during WW2 I might have had numerous reasons to despise Charles DeGaulle pre-war, but by 1941 he was the only person salvaging any honour on the big principles that mattered.
        
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        August 5, 2017 5:30pm
- waripori
  
  I think this is a likely outcome.
  This would have to be Winston’s last go round and it may well be that he would prefer his legacy to be a sustainable NZ First that could be a government in its own right one day. The only minor parties that have survived coalitions are ones that could not get any smaller ( United Future maori party and ACT ) Most of them have gone into coalition with several seats ( NZ First and United Future ) and come out with nothing in three years time.
  
  If NZ First are serious about their policy platform, (whatever it actually is ) they are better to give National supply support and look to further their own agenda on social issues, immigration etc. National will struggle and when we get the inevitable economic down turn will gradually lose support, probably to NZ First. NZ First under Jones would then have a real shot in 2020. The only thing NZ First has to lose this time is a ministerial car or two.
  
  If they go into coalition with National they will either have to toe the party line or get the blame for instability. If they form part of a Green Labour NZ First government they will get swept away in the inevitable backlash to chaos. Better to keep the powder dry for another 3 years.
  
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  August 5, 2017 12:15pm
  - nasska
    
    Well put Waripori. NZ First’s voters will likely stomach a supply agreement but would baulk at a coalition.
    
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    August 5, 2017 1:05pm
Colville

Winnie doesn’t want baubles

LOL

We know how that worked out last time !
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August 5, 2017 9:56am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Well done Colville you used the low brow “I’ll pick on one thing to ape about and I’ll ignore the whole point of the post”
  
  The need for utu for 2008 has been burning like bile in Winnie’s guts for 9 long years now. He wants utu more than anything else – the King in the North campaign showed how energised he was when the win involved not just getting a seat, but removing National’s ability to govern!
  
  But I guess you perfectly illustrated my point about denial.
  
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  August 5, 2017 3:41pm
  - Kimbo
    
    You think giving an example that explicitly falsifies your claim is “low brow”?! After you lead with the “KB is an echo chamber about WO”?! Wow, I’d hate to see you sook if someone really did fight dirty! Steel fist, glass jaw syndrome still. Pity. I thought you were improving. Oh yes and the possibility you raise – peters on the cross benches – has been discussed and considered around here too.
    
    Gotta get a tougher and more intellectually-rigourous brand of right-wing cultural conservative around here! 😉
    
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    August 5, 2017 3:56pm
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Toronto housing slump intensifies as buyers retreat… Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/08/toronto-housing-slump-intensifies-buyers-retreat/

By Leith van Onselen

The Toronto Real Estate Board has tried to put lipstick on a pig:

TORONTO, ONTARIO, August 3, 2017 – Toronto Real Estate Board President Tim Syrianos announced that Greater Toronto Area REALTORS® reported 5,921 residential transactions through TREB’s MLS® System in July 2017. This result was down by 40.4 per cent on a year-over-year basis, led by the detached market segment – both in the City of Toronto and surrounding regions.While sales were down, the number of new listings reported were only … read more via hyperlink above …

Average Toronto home price drops $173,000 since April | Toronto Star

https://www.thestar.com/business/real_estate/2017/08/03/toronto-home-prices-fall-for-third-month-in-a-row.html

The real estate industry is downplaying a third consecutive month-to-month decline in Toronto-area home prices that saw the average cost of a home drop $173,000 between April and July — from $919,449 to $746,216.

Prices were still up 5 per cent year over year, from $710,471 in July 2016. The numbers, released by the Toronto Real Estate Board (TREB) on Thursday, are averaged across all housing types.

It’s the kind of annual mid-single digit increase that indicates a return to healthy market conditions following months of record price escalation, according to the industry … read more via hyperlink above …

Australia Slams the Brakes on Property Investment – Bloomberg

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-03/australia-slams-brake-on-property-investors-and-price-boom-cools

One of the key engines of Australia’s five-year housing boom is losing steam.

Property investors, who have helped stoke soaring home prices in Australia, are being squeezed as regulators impose restrictions to rein in lending. The nation’s biggest banks have this year raised minimum deposits, tightened eligibility requirements and increased rates on interest-only mortgages — a form of financing favored by people buying homes to rent out or hold as an investment. … read more via hyperlink above …
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August 5, 2017 10:26am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Onandonandonandonandonandonandonandonandonandonaondon he goes
  
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  August 5, 2017 11:55am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Access yesterday’s posts
    
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/general_debate_3_august_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1982329 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/08/links-4-august-2017/#comment-2930273
    
    … starting with …
    
    AUCKLAND HOUSING FIASCO … NO THANKS TO NICK SMITH …
    
    Watch New Zealand Building & Construction Minister Dr Nick Smith defend Auckland’s lousy new housing construction …
    
    … In broad terms … with the declining ‘consent rate per 1000 population per annum’ (standard industry measure) just north of 6 and below the national average … the Auckland performance is pathetic …
    
    … The tedious Tory tinkerer Nick Smith should have been fired long ago … refer GONE GONE GOING section at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …
    
    … Interest Co NZ reports …
    
    An existential Auckland housing debate during Parliament’s Question Time: Do land bankers even exist? Also, building consents vs code compliance certificates (and Nick Smith’s defective knob) | interest.co.nz
    
    http://www.interest.co.nz/property/89139/existential-auckland-housing-debate-during-parliaments-question-time-do-land-bankers
    
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    August 5, 2017 12:12pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      “Access yesterday’s posts”
      
      Why? They were there yesterday if we could be bothered.
      Give it a rest man.
      
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      August 5, 2017 12:19pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        A little very recent history … very recent …
        
        NZ Initiative praises (Labour) Twyford policy … Kiwiblog
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/nz_initiative_praises_twyford_policy.html
        
        NZ Initiative praises Twyford policy
        
        The NZ Initiative released:
        
        The New Zealand Initiative says Phil Twyford’s infrastructure bonds are a workable policy that could solve the funding problem that is choking off housing supply in New Zealand’s fastest growing cities.
        
        The Housing Spokesman for the Labour Party recently announced a policy that would allow homeowners to pay off the core infrastructure over the life of the asset using bond financing. … read more via hyperlink above …
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        Note the extensive further access to reporting and information (e.g. down left column on Texas MUDs) on bond financing at my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
        
        The current government should have had this and associated issues largely sorted, following its major housing affordability announcement October 2012 … near some 5 years ago now …
        
        … watch and weep …
        
        Housing Affordability Announcement – 29 October 2012 – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuCchEb-XOk
        
        … formal announcement …
        
        beehive.govt.nz – Govt responds to housing affordability report
        
        https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/govt-responds-housing-affordability-report
        
        … now go to the GONE GONE GOING section at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org to learn why former PM Key bailed 5 Decemner. It was the late May 2016 Newshub poll … and the NZ Herald Mood of the Boardroom that triggered Kets departure. Here is access to the Newshub poll report … a shocker …
        
        Opinion: John Key’s Govt has failed New Zealand on housing | Newshub
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2016/05/opinion-john-keys-govt-has-failed-new-zealand-on-housing.html
        
        English sure got the hospital pass.
        
        This explains too why the current government (with its dwindling supporters here at Kiwiblog) is doing all they can to ‘bury’ the housing issue.
        
        The deceit and incompetence have simply been unbelievable … and extremely disappointing.
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:52pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Yesterday was so long ago Hugh. And from a supposed “expert” on housing, your name-calling is especially childish behaviour. Play the ball, and not the man.
      
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      August 5, 2017 1:04pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Keeping Stock … If the government had done what is said it would out of the 2008 election housing affordability / inequality would not be the top issues today …
        
        Poverty, gap between rich & poor and housing affordability, housing shortage, and homelessness dominate discussion in lead-up to election, says Roy Morgan poll | interest.co.nz
        
        http://www.interest.co.nz/news/89038/poverty-gap-between-rich-poor-and-housing-affordability-housing-shortage-and-homelessness
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        Housing stress and inequality go hand-in-hand … a very lethal political cocktail indeed …
        
        ‘Completely broken’? Widening inequality fuels discontent among Kiwis | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/93679813/completely-broken-widening-inequality-fuels-discontent-among-kiwis
        
        … extracts …
        
        … Are those in the Beehive today getting too smug and out of touch? Could similar things happen here? …
        
        … The Stuff.co.nz/Massey University Election Survey asked questions that other polls don’t ask, to find out how much political discontent may be simmering in New Zealand. …
        
        … Seventy-three per cent agreed that inequality is “too high and/or growing fast”, while slightly more (74 per cent) agreed that “there is a major housing crisis in New Zealand right now”.
        
        Health, housing and environment (in that order) were the three most widely chosen issues likely to influence voters at the election. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        The risk is greater than the GFC if we can’t fix the housing crisis … (former Australian Liberal leader) John Hewson … The Age / SMH
        
        http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-risk-is-greater-than-the-gfc-if-we-cant-fix-the-housing-crisis-20170309-guu4sf.html
        
        Inequality & Housing: through the roof … The Economist
        
        http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21647349-rising-house-prices-may-be-chiefly-responsible-rising-inequality-through
        
        Socialist Thomas Piketty’s Theory on Income Equality Wrecked by 26-Year-Old MIT Grad Student … Breitbart
        
        http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/26/socialist-thomas-pikettys-theory-on-income-equality-wrecked-by-26-year-old-mit-grad-student/
        
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        August 5, 2017 1:20pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … THE WEEK THE MUSIC STOPPED FOR THE NATIONAL – LED GOVERNMENT …
        
        The Nation – Latest News, Articles and Video | Newshub
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/the-nation.html
        
        Duncan Garner – Erasing Andy: Inside Jacinda Ardern’s bloodless coup | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/95394813
        
        Labour leader Jacinda Ardern restarts her party’s campaign | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95456457/labour-leader-jacinda-ardern-restarts-her-partys-campaign
        
        After plummeting in the polls, Labour has tossed out its leader and now has a new campaign slogan.
        
        Days into her new role as leader, Jacinda Ardern unveiled the party’s slogan at a press conference on Friday afternoon.
        
        Ardern was appointed leader on Tuesday after Andrew Little stepped down following poor polling. One poll put Labour’s support at its lowest in 20 years – 24 per cent. … view and read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        August 5, 2017 9:01pm
Fletch

Well, in case you didn’t know (and you probably don’t because the MSM don’t seem to have reported on it) Labour released their LGBT policies at the very misnamed Family Bar in K Rd last night.

If you swing by the Rainbow Labour Facebook page you’ll see video of Jacinda, Grant Robertson et al announcing Labour’s “Rainbow Policies”.

I’ve had a listen so you don’t have to. Some highlights –

Jacinda talks about making a “better, fairer New Zealand”

Making a better, fairer, New Zealand

Rainbow Labour has moved Labour and NZ forward. And we must keep being that progressive party.
[Grant and I] shared an office when civil unions was a massavie campaign.And he saw up close and personal the dilemma that I came to. Because at that time i was still a practising Mormon – I was a member of the Mormon faith. But I was also a strident supporter of civil unions. Because at my heart I believed in equality, and I believed in fairness. And I believe that anyone should be able to love whoever they choose to love. And so I started to have to make some tough calls. I couldn’t see how I could maintain those two competing faiths. And so I left. So civil unions were a real trigger point for me, because I had to prioritize what I believed in and what was really important to me. And the Labour whanau won that race.

As I say, Rainbow Labour is the heart of making sure we remain progressive in the next frontier [..] and the next frontier is transgender and intersex rights.

After that she goes on to relate a story of a fellow pupil “coming out” in class when she was a student in Morrinsville and how he was ridiculed, which is why she goes on to say –

We have a policy of putting a nurse in every single secondary school, not just to be a nurse but to form part of a comprehensive youth health (help?) team to focus on youth mental health. Every… single… secondary school.

One of the [policies] you’ll see us talk about is housing and homes. When you see that on the banner, i want you to remember this: when we talk about homes, we mean homes for everybody, but particularly our young people in the overrepresentation of our rainbow young people, who are often overrepresented in almost every negative stat in New Zealand and that includes homelessness. So when you see on a Labour billboard ‘more homes’, know that that’s what we’re speaking to as well.

After that, Grant Robertson comes out and says that one of their new policies is to make sure that sex changes are part of elective surgeries because the wait time is too long. They are going to finish off the deal around adoption so same-sex partners can adopt. They are going to “end formal discrimination in our law. We’ve nearly done it [but we need to] uphold the rights of transgender people, who cannot be discriminated against, and we will do that in legislation”. They also want to get rid of HIV in New Zealand by 2025 (really?)
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August 5, 2017 10:46am
- Shawn Herles
  
  “and the next frontier is transgender and intersex rights.”
  
  Yeah, that worries me. An issue like that would normally get me to two tick blue, but I’m not convinced National will not go down the same path. Liberals to the right of me, Liberals to the left of me.
  
  And how long before they start targeting children for indoctrination on that issue?
  
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  August 5, 2017 11:32am
  - Fletch
    
    These are supposed to be their complete policies around LGBT, according to the Rainbow Labour website.
    
    http://www.rainbowlabour.org.nz/access
    http://www.rainbowlabour.org.nz/freedom
    http://www.rainbowlabour.org.nz/equality
    
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    August 5, 2017 11:47am
  - PhilBest
    
    Exactly. I repeatedly challenge National stalwarts: “where is your red line”? Because every battle on which you cave to the cultural Left, is NOT the last one. They are not going to go away, satisfied with your “reasonableness”. They are going to move straight on to another cause, each more radical than the last.
    
    You may, as decent people, condemn some practices at the fringes of society and in the criminal underworld, as deeply immoral – but within your lifetime you should expect to be subjected to attack as a “bigot” on those very things. There is little beyond the range of cultural-left “normalisation” and “compassion”. It is not like the program is not already visible behind the public face of the left, if you bother to look into the truly “progressive” elements.
    
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    August 5, 2017 11:51am
    - Kimbo
      
      Just out of interest when was the “red line” ever right? When there was still capital punishment? Before abortion was legalised? Or when homosexuality and/or prostitution were criminalised. Not saying you are necessarily wrong wanting laws that are “red lines” concerning those things – if indeed you even are – but I am intrigued you are so anti-Muslim, when their religio-political arrangements take a very emphatic stance on those matters. Put it this way, “moral certitude” is one of the few missionary selling-points Islam has to win converts in the West…
      
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      August 5, 2017 11:58am
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “but I am intrigued you are so anti-Muslim, when their religion has a very emphatic stance on those matters.”
        
        It also has emphatic stances on theft and murder. So what?
        
        I don’t want to kill gay people or even criminalize homosexuality. I don’t want women to be hidden under a mobile tent. I don’t want people killed for apostasy. I don’t want children having their hands cut off for theft. I don’t believe in slavery. I don’t think men have the right to rape or beat their wives, or rape and beat women generally. I don’t think someone blowing themselves up and killing women and children is a martyr.
        
        Your attempt at equivalence comparison is superficial to say the least. You might as well say people who think theft and murder are wrong are similar to Muslims. But then silly equivalence comparisons have been you bread and butter lately.
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:14pm
      - Kimbo
        
        OK, Shawn, so we’ve established you have different “red lines” from Islam in some cases, similar in others…
        
        And while you are free to put in your two cents worth I’m more interested in PhilBest’s response…
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:18pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “Put it this way, “moral certitude” is one of the few missionary selling-points Islam has to win converts in the West…”
        
        Opposition to mass Islamic immigration is about Western people, culture, heritage, tradition, amongst many other values and gifts we inherited from our ancestors. It’s about preserving the West.
        
        If the West fell entirely to Islam it might have moral certitudes, at least according to Islam, but it would still no longer be the West.
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:20pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “OK, Shawn, so we’ve established you have different “red lines” from Islam in some cases”
        
        No, I have established that what I am trying to preserve is radically incompatible with, and more importantly, different to Islam. It’s not just a case of slightly different red lines. Your reductionist equivalence comparison is wrong at it’s root. So there is no “we’ve established” in the first place. You have not established anything. It’s just another version of your dishonest and silly “The Nazi’s were concerned about animal welfare, the RSPCA is concerned about animal welfare, thus the Nazis and the RSPCA are on the same page” argument.
        
        So my two cents worth is that your question is bullshit based on bullshit.
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:32pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Philbest
        
        Am off to see Dunkirk so I’ll catch your reply, if any, later.
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:41pm
      - PhilBest
        
        The difference between Christianity and Islam, is that Islam is like the Jewish Pentateuch, not in any way moderated by later books like Kings, Chronicles, The Psalms, the Prophets, let alone a New Testament.
        
        True Christianity always held out compassion and the path to reform, for the erring. A lot of what progressives now “blame Christianity” for, is a case of stupidly projecting modern conditions back onto people in very different conditions. For example, most of humanity for most of history, could not expect “a paid income from someone else”. There was not the vast surplus of production there is today. Christian scripture providing guidance for the treatment of “bondmen” is not “condoning slavery”. It is a considerable advance on things like slaying all your vanquished enemies down to infants, and letting the most unfortunate just starve to death because it was just something like Karma anyway.
        
        Note that progressives hardly hate anything more than Christian preaching and teaching on sin and forgiveness and redemption. They much prefer to restrict the perception of Christianity as never being about anything more than punishments, as if it were no different to Islam, or Judaism in the time of Moses. But get out there and “bear witness”, and the cops in some parts of the west will now arrest you for “hate speech”.
        
        This wonderful lefty selective committal to religious diversity and free speech has been going on for longer than you might think.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hammond
        
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        August 5, 2017 12:46pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Philbest
        
        Thanks, and an answer I agree with in the main – although, no as a good Calvinist, I see and understand the Pentateuch as, while albeit the first staging post in progressive revelation that culminates in Christ, nonetheless a place where the gospel of grace is explicitly and primarily proclaimed.
        
        Also, while I don’t necessarily see Islam as the imminent political threat you may, it is nonetheless a rival to Christianity, indeed a potential threat, and I tend to agree.
        
        Nonetheless, I became a Christian in the mid-80s, right about the time that the furore over the passage of Fran Wilde’s homosexual decriminalisation bill…and I well remember the mainstream Christian rhetoric of why it should still be illegal – upholding standards, protecting children, etc. Not the same as throwing gays off buildings, admittedly, but nonetheless that was what mainstream (to quote you) “moderated” church leadership at the time professed. At that is just over a generation ago. Now, to remind conservative Christians of that is somehow trying to paint those times as the Inquisition, No, I didn’t say that, but nonetheless the lives of many were blighted because the state chose to criminalise that aspect of Judao-Christian morality.
        
        I guess what I’m saying is, I find some of the red lines you and others choose, and the justifications…arbitrary at times. Which is always a problem when linked to cultural conservative authoritarianism. Maybe not as imminent a danger as Islamisation, nor even the “lib-prog” agenda, but nonetheless still problematic. especially as some of the proponents are not only inconsistent but also seem a bit (and this isn’t aimed at you, Philbest)…emotionally unhinged.
        
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        August 5, 2017 3:48pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        Kimbo,
        
        “I find some of the red lines you and others choose, and the justifications…arbitrary at times.”
        
        You personally may think they are arbitrary. That does not mean they are. And you could say that about any position on moral issues, including liberal positions.
        
        “Which is always a problem when linked to cultural conservative authoritarianism.”
        
        See above. IF arbitrariness is a problem in the way you claim, it’s a problem for all political positions, all moral positions, and all people, none excepted, yourself included. To give an prog-liberal example, why did the marriage “equality” bill not allow for polygamy?
        
        Or, why are center-right liberals such as yourself not libertarians, which would be far more consistent with your support for individual freedom and choice? You will of course have a reason why you are a center-right liberal and not a libertarian, and those reasons might well be valid. But I could just as easily label them arbitrary. You choose personally to draw the line at how much individual freedom and choice you want. What makes that line less arbitrary than the line I choose regarding not killing or imprisoning homosexuals?
        
        You are insisting on a level of absolute consistency that you don’t apply to yourself or other political positions.
        
        See the problem with you “arbitrary” line of attack? The truth is, it can be applied to anyone, or to any argument. In that way, it’s not really an argument at all. Which is why I find it hard to believe that you are concerned about arbitrariness, and more inclined to think you are just playing “gotcha” rhetorical games.
        
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        August 5, 2017 4:09pm
      - Kimbo
        
        You are insisting on a level of absolute consistency that you don’t apply to yourself or other political positions.
        
        Possibly. But then that’s the advantage of the status quo. At least we know what we have…and we haven’t incurred any “unintended consequences”. About the nearest I can see to a contemporary parallel to your attitude to Islam is…the misnamed “Red Scare” of the 1950s. The threat was genuine, if at times exaggerated, just as the “other side” also exaggerated the number and effect on some of McCarthy’s “victims” and that is still used to pillory and caricature the justified concerns of the time. Nonetheless, as Richard Nixon said, “they may be rats, but you’ve got to stop them in the right way”.
        
        But anyway, as before, and as we all know your views very well, I don’t think you’ve added much to our knowledge that we haven’t heard from you before…often, so thanks yet again for your two cents worth, but I’ll just wait to see if Philbest gives me the courtesy of a reply, thanks very much. So good to find a cultural conservative with whom one can disagree with a bit of spirited cut and thrust…who doesn’t lose sight of the need/desireability for some…self-control.
        
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        August 5, 2017 4:23pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Shawn Herles
        
        I do note however, that my question
        
        Just out of interest when was the “red line” ever right?
        
        …was not answered by either you or Philbest. And, no it wasn’t a “gotcha” question – hence I paid you the courtesy of a direct answer to your ” insisting on a level of absolute consistency that you don’t apply to yourself “. comment. I’d suggest it is your ideological commitment that sees every exchange as some fire fight in the on-going war against the lib-progs.
        
        I’m just interested to know, if we do what you or Philbest want, what will it look like, especially as you are calling upon traditional Western cultural values as the paradigm. OK, so when was that ever in place, and…what do they look like in practice. Where are the red lines going to be drawn? Don’t tell me what the lib-progs have got wrong. Kindly tell me, and others what our lives will look like in explicit details…and what about those who disagree?
        
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        August 5, 2017 4:37pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “At least we know what we have”
        
        Which does not make it right.
        
        “and we haven’t incurred any “unintended consequences”.”
        
        Sure we have, a whole mountain range of unintended consequences. The status quo has led to an epidemic of Islamic terrorism in the West, massive challenges regarding integration of Muslims, not the least of which are the grooming gangs currently plaguing the north of England, the Rotherham scandal in which 1,400 young girls were raped and abused by Muslim immigrants and their pleas for help ignored by authorities for fear of accusations of racism and “Islamaphobia”.
        
        Not to mention the ponzi scheme of international debt that is hanging over our heads.
        
        Or transvestites teaching pre-school children about “worm loving worm”.
        
        All of those are the unintended consequences of the liberal status quo. That you refuse to acknowledge them is merely willful ideological blindness, not rational consideration of the facts.
        
        “and as we all know your views very well, I don’t think you’ve added much to our knowledge tht we haven’t heard from you before”
        
        Oh diddums. If you want to comment on a public forum you don’t get to pick and choose who responds to you.
        
        “so thanks yet again for your two cents worth, but I’ll just wait to see if Philbest gives me the courtesy of a reply, thanks very much. ”
        
        Translation: “Stop countering my arguments and exposing my tactics! It’s frustrating me, and I am not here to be properly debated with!” 🙂
        
        You can always lose your self-control, throw another tantrum and refuse to respond to me. 🙂
        
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        August 5, 2017 4:38pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Are yes Shawn who mysteriously gets called away every single time we get around to asking for his ideology.
        Do tell Shawn.
        Tell kimbo how you will go about reinstalling the monarchy along with the church to circa 1500’s power.
        
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        August 5, 2017 4:49pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Um, Shawn, I’m ready to debate with anyone in the right circumstances, but as you’ve said you have no respect for me (fair enough, and admittedly that is a mutual position, although it’s not based on your beliefs and ideology, but rather your conduct, hence I can seek out and have a civil exchange with Philbest),
        
        …and by your own admission you only do so so as to dissuade passers-by from being deceived by my posts, how, if you are so closed-minded, are you able to debate in a sensible and productive manner with so much emotional skin in the game?
        
        For example, you say I indulge in “playing “gotcha” rhetorical games”. Um, sometimes, but not exclusively, nor even as my main point. Hence I acknowledged when you made a valid point that you may be “possibly right” in “insisting on a level of absolute consistency that you don’t apply to yourself or other political positions”. Is that the act of a man intent on just playing “gotcha” games? Are you that ideological?
        
        Put it this way, Shawn, when was the last time, if ever, you think I made a valid point, or presented a cogent argument – be it primary or secondary, if ever? Answer that however you want. Is an honest question, but if you want to play pigeon chess, knock yourself out 😉
        
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        August 5, 2017 4:55pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Gruffydd
        
        Do tell Shawn.
        
        I must confess to being slightly bemused that, as Shawn by his own admisson is waging Cyber-War against the globalist/lib-pro/Islamist incursion
        
        …that he considers his front line in the battle is refuting you and I…on Kiwiblog! 😉
        
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        August 5, 2017 5:04pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Refuting ?
        If you think No you are wrong because I said so is refuting.
        
        As already indicated debating Shawn is an invitation down a rabbit hole into another dimension.
        
        I don’t as a rule having wasted enough thought on his world already.
        I prefer just once in a while pointing out he is quite mad
        
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        August 5, 2017 5:15pm
      - PhilBest
        
        There are plenty of interesting examples of atheists who are “conservatives”, and who make arguments for conservative values on purely rational grounds. Theodore Dalrymple for example.
        
        To make an argument that blends rationality and traditional western Christian values;
        
        1) the State has no business subsidising and promoting lifestyles that are costly to society in terms of economic drain and ultimate social stability.
        
        2) the State has no business in sanctioning religious believers or the churches to which they belong, for “bigotry” about anything on which the basis for “tolerance” is that people were “born that way”. Millions of humans exercise self-control over perversions that they were “born with” but are still illegal for good reasons; and there are surely even some who still exercise self-control over perversions that are no longer illegal. This is not “being repressed”, it is part of being the most noble “creature”.
        
        3) the State has no business in forcing society to participate in elaborate games of “make believe” to “avoid offending” people who have mental difficulties in coping with reality, and even less business in spending a cent of taxpayers money on these games. Let’s all “sincerely believe” we are 67 years old and qualify for the pension, or that we are Maori and qualify for a share of Treaty settlements.
        
        4) the State has no business in redefining as a “human right” or entitlement, to be enabled with taxpayers money, something which comes within the ambit of “charity”. It is probably too late now to restore the old front lines of provision for need – family, community, church, charitable institutions – but the erosion and supplanting of these (at grossly inefficient levels of bureaucratic churn of taxpayers money) was a disaster and if deliberately commenced by enemy powers, a master tactical stroke at our social foundations.
        
        5) The State has no business in brainwashing children with explicitly “secularising” or anti-religious values. “Secular” means “neutral”, and the “separation of church and state” cuts both ways. The State also has no business in defining “science” as “whatever supports our quasi-religious political progressive agenda” – science should be science regardless of which way it cuts.
        
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        August 5, 2017 6:08pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Philbest
        
        Sorry, that is not quite as detailed or explicit as I was wanting. For example, while something like, say “subsidising and promoting lifestyles that are costly to society in terms of economic drain and ultimate social stability” is no doubt clear in your mind and you have some examples (which you did not state) in mind, the terms you use, while probably common sense to most, require definition…plus clarifying of…who decides.
        
        So, without wishing to put words in your mouth, do you mean your ideal “red lines” are
        
        1) anything that challenges laissez faire economics
        
        2) the state legislating churches and individuals should be supportive and accepting of gay and transgender people
        
        3) positive discrimination, especially for reasons of race.
        
        4) the supplementing and/or replacement of charity by a welfare state
        
        5) No state anti-religious education…and no state subsidy of alleged climate change…and maybe…evolution?
        
        So we are looking at political values that used to hold sway in the Anglo-Saxon world in about the…1890s. Which if that is what you think was the best expression of Western cultural values, fair enough.
        
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        August 5, 2017 6:20pm
      - nasska
        
        There’s nothing, but nothing, comparable as a blood sport to rats or socially conservative, knowall Godfreaks gnawing each other to death. 🙂
        
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        August 5, 2017 6:31pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Philbest
        
        …but without the lack of a franchise for women, or enforced and legal racial segregation?
        
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        August 5, 2017 6:49pm
  - KevOB
    
    They won’t go down that path if I can help it.
    We have a very good example of a reaction against the very proposals of the new sexual stylists. Just look at the USA. Do we want bathroom wars in Bellamys?
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    August 5, 2017 12:30pm
    - PhilBest
      
      http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/matt-walsh-liberal-science-a-pregnant-woman-is-a-man-but-the-human-in-her-womb-isnt-a-person/
      
      “…In the Left’s version of things, a woman with a baby in her womb can be a man, but the baby in the womb isn’t a person. All it takes for the woman to be a man, despite lacking every physical qualifier, is that she wants to be one. But the baby, despite having every physical qualifier necessary to be a human, still does not get to be one…
      
      “…And what is the “scientific” force responsible for all of these confusing and sudden transformations? Only the woman’s (I mean, “man’s”) emotional desire. Her desire can grant or rescind humanity from her child. Her desire can grant or rescind her own femaleness. She is whatever she wants herself to be and her baby is whatever she wants it to be. She is like some sort of genie, wielding power that cannot be explained, proven, demonstrated, noted, studied, calculated, measured, or seen, and must be accepted as a matter of blind faith. Or, as they would say, as a matter of “science.”
      
      You have probably noticed something about this science: there is no science in it. Science can be defined as “the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.” But nothing in the Left’s “science” of gender or pregnancy can be experimented or observed. There is no structure. No system. No study, for there is nothing to study. All of the physical markers are dismissed outright. They do not say that this or that bit of physical evidence points to a different conclusion, but that the evidence is irrelevant. They have not devised a different method for ascertaining the humanity of the unborn or the gender of an individual. Rather, they have rejected the scientific method entirely and replaced it with orthodoxy. They cannot prove that the woman is a man or that the child isn’t a person, and they won’t try. They will simply say that old methods of proof are heretical. Proof itself is heretical, they proclaim. All we are allowed to do is accept what we are told.
      
      No, this is not not science. It’s religion. And, unlike Christianity, it is a narrow, unreasonable, and violent religion. It is the primitive religion of savages, where trees and beasts are worshiped, blood is shed ritualistically, orgies and sodomy are elevated as sacraments, and scientific advancement is written off as sorcery. But at least the superstitious pagans of old had ignorance as an excuse. Their modern cousins are not ignorant. They don’t lack knowledge; they’ve rejected it. The secrets of the universe were opened to them, but they decided to shut the treasure chest and descend back into ignorance, and then insanity. Much can be said about the strange dogmas and ideas they have devised in the world of darkness and chaos they created for themselves, but we certainly cannot say that it is science.
      
      It is anti-science. It is the death of science. It is the literal rejection of science. Funny that it comes from the “pro-science” side.”
      
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      August 5, 2017 12:59pm
      - Fletch
        
        Matt Walsh is great. Always gets to the truth.
        
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        August 5, 2017 1:31pm
    - PhilBest
      
      http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/matt-walsh-dear-progressive-parents-your-children-are-not-social-experiments/
      
      “…the most important issue, again, is not what this delusional, narcissistic woman and her pretentious, asinine lawyer choose to do. The issue is that an innocent and helpless child is being sucked into this black hole of lunacy. In saner times, the child would be removed from the home and the mother committed to a mental health facility, but we do not live in those times. Now, all we can do is sit back and watch as an entire generation is cannibalized by the LGBT agenda.
      
      We need to understand that this child is being actively deprived of something essential to health and survival. Not food or shelter, hopefully, but something even more fundamental: identity. A child needs to know who he is. Don’t tell me he’ll “choose.” Sex cannot be chosen. And, anyway, small children lack the knowledge, foresight, or wisdom to choose even the things that can be chosen.
      
      Have you ever asked a 4 year old kid what he wants to do today? Or what he wants to eat? Or what show he wants to watch? Have you ever given a small child any kind of open ended choice at all? If you have, you know how it works…
      
      “…thank God I didn’t resolve to just feed him whatever he wants every day, because if I did he’d be dead from malnutrition within the week. That’s because he’s a child. If my son is this indecisive and unintentionally self-destructive in his dietary choices, I can only imagine what would happen if I told him he’s some sort of shapeshifter and he can assume whatever identity he wants every day. His identity would surely change 8,000 times per hour, and he would never settle on his actual identity because he doesn’t really know or understand his actual identity. He needs his parents for that. Why is this so hard to understand?
      
      A child needs you to decide the important things for him. That’s why you’re the adult. He can never make up his mind because his mind is undeveloped. He doesn’t know anything about anything. He has no information about the world or about himself aside from what you tell him. You’re the parent. That’s your job. You’re job is to teach him about the world and about himself. To help him understand and love what he is and who he is. Parents who refuse to fulfill this basic duty out of some ideological conviction are simply bad. They are bad parents. They are unfit. They are worse than unfit. They are abusers. They are destroying their children on purpose.
      
      “But my three year old son started saying he was a girl! How do you explain that?”
      
      How do I explain it? He’s three, you fool. That’s how I explain it. He has no idea what he’s saying. He doesn’t know what a girl is. He doesn’t know what a boy is. He doesn’t know what anything is. My kids think I fly to the moon every time I get on an airplane. They think their favorite cartoon characters live inside our TV in the living room. They think the Orioles mascot is a real bird. They think a snowman can come alive like Olaf from Frozen. My daughter told me yesterday that she’ll be 27 years old and married by next week. My son tells me 50 times a day that he’s Spiderman. And you think these cute, ignorant, little daydreamers are capable of selecting their own gender identity? Well, come to think of it, maybe that’s not much crazier than saying anyone of any age can select their gender identity.
      
      In any case, here’s what I wish these hopelessly “progressive” parents could grasp: your children are not social experiments. They are not lab rats. They are not fashion statements. They are not mere anecdotes to be used in advancing your anti-science agenda. They are human beings and they have needs. A lot of needs. They need love. They need direction. They need guidance. They need clarity. If you will not give them these things, you are a danger to them. They’d be better off raised by monkeys in the jungle than by virtue-signaling narcissists who will use them as pawns in this perverse crusade against God and reality.
      
      Stop hurting your children. Stop using and abusing them. Start being a parent, or give them to someone who will do the job.”
      
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      August 5, 2017 1:02pm
    - Gabby
      
      Tulixpu.
      
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      August 5, 2017 1:16pm
    - MH
      
      was that why the diplomatic/Parliamentary security man left his pistol there?
      
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      August 5, 2017 4:23pm
- Shawn Herles
  
  ‘America’s Preschools Aren’t Gay Enough, Taxpayer-Funded University Of Michigan Sociologist Warns’
  
  “A sociology instructor at the taxpayer-funded University of Michigan has published an academic journal article exposing America’s preschool classrooms as hotbeds of “heteronormative play” where “traditional fairy tales” persist and “heterosexuality is always assumed, expected, ordinary, and privileged.””
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/03/americas-preschools-arent-gay-enough-taxpayer-funded-university-of-michigan-sociologist-warns/
  
  ‘Drag Queen Story Hour for toddlers at public library lauded as ‘fantastic,’ ‘great’’
  
  “A gaggle of toddlers gather on the floor of a room in New York’s Brooklyn Public Library in Park Slope for their 10 a.m. story time — and the reader on this day is Lil Miss Hot Mess.
  
  Yes, it’s Drag Queen Story Hour. And if you haven’t guessed by now, Lil Miss Hot Mess is indeed a drag queen. He pulls out a kids’ book titled “Worm Loves Worm.” The book’s description reveals that “when a worm meets a special worm and they fall in love, you know what happens next: They get married! But their friends want to know—who will wear the dress? And who will wear the tux?”
  
  The answer? “It doesn’t matter,” the description reads. “Because Worm loves worm.””
  
  http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/19/drag-queen-story-hour-for-toddlers-at-public-library-lauded-as-fantastic-great/
  
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  August 5, 2017 11:42am
- PhilBest
  
  “…one of their new policies is to make sure that sex changes are part of elective surgeries because the wait time is too long…”
  
  It is always funny how the most important use of taxpayers money, is in “progressive” agendas. You could die on a waiting list, but not end up having “an unwanted baby” because there wasn’t enough budget for abortions this year. One might have thought it was “immoral” to be letting people die for lack of funds, but only the new “progressive” “morality” ever trumps funding constraints.
  
  Similar Aunty Helen morality: your neighbours can block your use of your property for just about anything, EXCEPT a brothel.
  
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  August 5, 2017 11:57am
- KevOB
  
  They also want to get rid of HIV in New Zealand by 2025
  
  They will have to practice what they do not preach.
  
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  August 5, 2017 12:17pm
  - Fletch
    
    Exactly. One of the main reasons for HIV in the first place is the sexual conduct of LGBT practitioners.
    
    According to the latest data we have from the CDC (Center For Disease Control) in America, gay men who have sex with other men (MSM) make up around 2% of the population but account for 67% of new HIV cases.
    
    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6437a1.htm
    
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    August 5, 2017 12:40pm
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August 5, 2017 11:24am
- BananaLlama
  
  Don’t be a Hollywood caricature that does more harm to his cause than good. If you want to convince people then you have to lean how to debate with them instead of spamming caps lock.
  
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  August 5, 2017 12:11pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    BananaLlama, I strongly suspect scorpion is a parody troll and does not believe a word he/she says. I suspect the same thing about JasonJohns.
    
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    August 5, 2017 1:50pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      No Shawn
      Having examined Johns, Jizz and Scorpion/ bee sting comments carefully and considered the nature of our far right persons for a while I have come to the conclusions they are only slightly more insane than the rest of our far right nut whacks.
      
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      August 5, 2017 4:38pm
      - BananaLlama
        
        “The Far Right”
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p4P-MbMrv8
        
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        August 5, 2017 4:55pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Yes I included in that catch all religious nuts who want their version of the imaginary friends commandments to dominant the lives of the rest of us.
        
        We could have a debate about the difference beteeen the factions .
        On second thoughts why bother?
        You are all living in a dream world inside your heads.
        
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        August 5, 2017 5:03pm
- holysheet
  
  FUCK OFF SCORPION
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  August 5, 2017 12:15pm
  - Scorpion
    
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    HEY IGNORANT PIG
    after you have PAID
    
    YOUR 15% GST
    To the Economic Terrorists
    
    WHY DON’T YOU
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    THE TAX MONEY
    
    GOES?
    
    https://www.pickeringpost.com/story/shocking-proof-halal-fees-go-to-syria/4062
    
    https://www.pickeringpost.com/story/shocking-proof-halal-fees-go-to-syria/4062
    
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    August 5, 2017 12:22pm
- realityczech
  
  Scorpion seems calm and measured compared to our resident babbling lunatic climate troll telling us the world is ending.
  
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  August 5, 2017 5:08pm
Kabull

Interesting discovery by an unnamed blog. ‘Lets do this’ looks like it infringes a number of trade marks:

1) “This is a brand page for the LET’S DO THIS trademark by HOME DEPOT PRODUCT AUTHORITY, LLC in Atlanta, GA, 30339. ”

2) It is a song by Hannah Montana, the intellectual property of which is held by Disney.

3) More seriously, here in NZ it is a registered Trade Mark of Unilever (since Dec 2014).

Labour admitted they ‘brainstormed’ the phrase and didn’t have time to research or check it. They haven’t learned from National’s Eminem experience …
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August 5, 2017 11:59am
- RF
  
  I know that Labour are still putting out election letter drops with the old logo…..
  
  A fresh approach.
  
  I had one today and I know of others in a different area.
  
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  August 5, 2017 1:01pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “I know that Labour are still putting out election letter drops with the old logo…..”
    
    Obviously the lazy fucks who were supposed to deliver them have had them lying around for a couple of weeks.
    
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    August 5, 2017 1:53pm
    - RalphT
      
      Nonsense, they are simply from the Green edge of Labour and in order to ensure that Gaia is not offended they are making sure that irreplaceable resources are not wasted.
      
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      August 5, 2017 5:42pm
- MH
  
  to hell with the consequences Let’s do it anyway.
  
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  August 5, 2017 1:06pm
  - VicParking
    
    Its all right they are the left
    
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    August 5, 2017 1:52pm
- Gabby
  
  That won’t wash, the phrase has been around for ages. Ask Leeroy Jenkins.
  
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  August 5, 2017 1:20pm
BananaLlama

Jesus wept the state of NZ Media we may as well call it the Jacinda Herald at least News Hub has some variation.
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August 5, 2017 12:08pm
- Paulus
  
  I thought that the Auckland Herald was now called the Washington Post New Zealand Office.
  
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  August 5, 2017 1:54pm
- GazzaW
  
  ……along with Jacinda’s Day, Jacinda’s Idea and Jacinda’s Weekly. It’s all part of a grand plan by the NZ MSM to create themselves a PM that will be beholdent to them.
  
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  August 5, 2017 4:54pm
Scorpion

I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD BE THANKFUL

GOING INTO THE NEXT ELECTION

THAT WE DON’T HAVE A

PINK CARNATION ON OUR FLAG
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August 5, 2017 12:17pm
Manolo

Some primitives are hurting:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/muslim-family-says-mcdonalds-served-them-bacon/ar-AApqu56?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

An Alabama Islamic organization is asking for an investigation after a Muslim family said a McDonald’s purposefully served them bacon.
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August 5, 2017 12:23pm
- MH
  
  the long white clothes and hoods worn by the Maccas’ assistants should have been a warning they were at a KKK run outlet and were not some transgender Muslim one. They looked like Burqas not burgers.
  
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  August 5, 2017 1:09pm
Manolo

Weeds are hard to kill:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/hillary-clinton-hires-two-former-campaign-aides-for?utm_term=.hwa5p1NMd#.xcBErjNRm

Hillary Clinton has hired two political operatives from her 2016 presidential campaign to help manage Onward Together, the project she founded this spring with former governor Howard Dean to fund and support a coalition of Democratic groups led by activists and organisers.
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August 5, 2017 12:33pm
Fletch

In what comes as no surprise to me, after cuts to sex-ed and birth control in the UK, teenage pregnancy rates fell by 42%.

England has been forced to make severe cuts in recent years to its budget, including tax funds for sex-ed in schools and free birth control.

The study sought to “examine the impact of reductions in local expenditure on one particular public health target: reducing rates of teen pregnancy.”

The Paton and Wright research team used statistics from 149 municipalities between 2009 and 2014 and found that after sex-ed budgets were cut, teen pregnancy rates fell by 42.6 percent.

The researchers discovered that taking away tax funding for contraceptive-focused sex education in schools actually reduced teen pregnancy.

With the government cuts in sex-ed funding, teen pregnancies in England have fallen to their lowest level since 1969, according to the new study. In fact, the statistics show teen pregnancy rates diminished the most in those areas where secular sex-ed budgets were most aggressively cut.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/teen-pregnancy-rate-falls-42.6-percent-after-uk-cuts-sex-ed-birth-control-f

See, if you inform kids all about it, give them contraception and condoms, what do you think they’re going to do?
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August 5, 2017 12:49pm
- Harriet
  
  And the same would then apply to all sexual healthcare at all age groups —– take away the ‘free’ clinic model —– and replace it with a pay as you go model – like dentistry. People will then have to take their sexual healthcare seriously. Antibiotic prescriptions should not be given out by the government under the current conditions – they should be taxed at a higher rate.
  
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  August 5, 2017 1:15pm
MH

I wonder as a humanitarian gesture if Kim Kong Un could send a rocket down this way and end the green problem.
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August 5, 2017 1:00pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  He’d probably miss, and take out Norfolk Island 😀
  
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  August 5, 2017 1:21pm
Fletch

A new Rolling Stone article – Why Professional Cuddling Is Booming Under Trump. Not a joke. Butt-hurt snowflakes are now looking to be cuddled because of being hurt by Trump’s election. A session will only cost you $80.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/why-professional-cuddling-is-booming-under-trump-w495042

How far we have fallen from the Greatest Generation, where kids aged 19, 20, and up went to war, to now where they need cuddles because they don’t like who got elected as President.
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August 5, 2017 1:12pm
waripori

There is a comment over on WOBH showing a picture of Trump over a ” Let’s do it ” tag line.

I tried to google it and got directed to Trump pence 2020 FB page and scrolled back to July 2016 without finding it. Is the photo real or has it been doctored?
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August 5, 2017 1:27pm
- holysheet
  
  Do you think Cindy might have seen this page looking back on her youth days at uni and saw the slogan
  
  https://elladawson.com/2016/11/30/what-herpes-activism-looks-like-in-trumps-america/
  
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  August 5, 2017 4:01pm
  - Gabby
    
    It doesn’t mean get herpes whollyshit. Too late for you, but others may learn from your misapprehension.
    
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    August 5, 2017 5:58pm
Scorpion

KICK OFF TIME FOR

THE UPCOMING IMMINENT

WAR IN THE PACIFIC

2014/2015 Communist China Relaxes the
One Child Policy.

This means in 20 year they need military age
personal for the expansion into the Pacific
to Take NZ and Australia, by Force if necessary.

If you do not believe me do look at the
Chinese Communist Global GPS system
and its focus on NZ and Australia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeiDou_Navigation_Satellite_System#/media/File:Beidou_Navigation_Satellite_System_2012.png

2014/2014 + 20 YEARS

KICK OFF is the decade around

2035

Maybe Earlier if the Strategy

OF BUYING OUT POLITICAL
TRAITORS
IN NZ AND AUSTRALIA

Ceases to Work
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August 5, 2017 1:53pm
- realityczech
  
  I’m more worried about the communists closer to home, such as the mule tooth & fraudster.
  
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  August 5, 2017 3:30pm
  - Scorpion
    
    Comrade Realityczech
    
    NZ has played a very important Role in the Spread
    of the International Terrorism called Communism
    
    R E W I Alley
    Our first naked Sheep Farmer
    
    Industrialised China for one purpose in my Opinion and one Purpose alone
    
    YOUR LIBERATION
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rewi_Alley
    
    Do Look Up
    
    Comrade R E W I
    
    Comrade Realityczech
    
    and give us your Findings?
    
    YOUR LIBERATION IS COMING
    
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    August 5, 2017 5:10pm
    - nasska
      
      ….”Our first naked Sheep Farmer”….
      
      Another fad that never took off in NZ. Something to do with gorse I reckon. 🙂
      
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      August 5, 2017 5:44pm
      - MT_Tinman
        
        More likely stinging nettle or thistle.
        
        Gorse you can see coming. :s
        
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        August 5, 2017 8:50pm
MH

Kim Hill and ian Binnie on the YA this morning and not a whisper…..
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August 5, 2017 1:55pm
- GazzaW
  
  I would have hoped that now that Bain has changed his name and scarpered to Oz with nigh on a million bucks of our money that we would be able to forget all about the Bains.
  
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  August 5, 2017 5:00pm
B.L.Zeebub

Yeah, the gullible Binnie is back in town, ding, ding Round 1001.
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August 5, 2017 3:13pm
realityczech

The mule-toothed communist is already signalling she will run off to have babies after her approaching loss in a few weeks 🙂

“Labour leader Jacinda Ardern has dodged questions about whether she’ll be with the party in 2020.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95481780/labours-leadership-duo-talk-tax-maori-prisons-and-wholl-be-deputy-leader-in-a-coalition
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August 5, 2017 3:28pm
- itstricky
  
  The mule-toothed
  
  KEEPING STOCK! Arrest this person, at once!
  
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  August 5, 2017 5:18pm
MH

Press release
Madam Speaker and my fellow Aotearoans, I intend in my first term to introduce referenda on the following policies.
1/ Becoming Republic
2/a new flag
3/a decent song to sing at all Rugby Test matches in NZ
4/As I am in my final semester, what name to call my baby. Let’s not forget “We did it” And thank you Turei Minster.
Thank you all for the parental leave and I’ll be back next year. Please note I will not tolerate cat calls from any of the honourable members yelling out “show us yer……” when I commit to breast feeding in the House.
Thank you
Jacinda Ardern (silent R)
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August 5, 2017 3:46pm
- holysheet
  
  Silent R is better than silent T.
  Pity we cannot silent Me Tu forever.
  
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  August 5, 2017 3:50pm
holysheet

What are the chances of all the “Syrian Refugees” returning from Europe to help rebuild their country?

About as much chance as I have of winning lotto tonight.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/95484055/Syrian-families-struggle-to-survive-in-besieged-east-Ghouta
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August 5, 2017 4:36pm
- itstricky
  
  I think perhaps one thing people in that situation could do would be to work hard/long, save, and send money to assist their families in trying to get out, somewhere else.
  
  What would you do if it were you?
  
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  August 5, 2017 5:23pm
- kowtow
  
  Like the “Australian” Lebanese refugees ,they’ll go the dual citizen route .Take all the benefits of the host while regularly tripping between the old country and the mugs country.
  And if the shit hits the fan getting the Oz taxpayer to bail them out again like they did a few years back.
  Long queues of “Australians” at the airport in beirut being evacuated from the country they had already fled.
  
  http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2006/07/20/aust-defence-staff-beirut
  
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  August 5, 2017 6:24pm
  - itstricky
    
    So, you’re saying you’d stay in Beirut (capital B), if it were you?
    
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    August 5, 2017 6:49pm
Don the Kiwi

The Fake News networks are wetting themselves over this:
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/trump-tweets-cause-cnn-fake-news-heads-explode
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August 5, 2017 4:57pm
- itstricky
  
  You mean wetting themselves with laughter? The mocking kind?
  
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  August 5, 2017 5:20pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I doubt much can compare to the mocking laughter Jim Acosta from CNN got this week.
    An ignorant journalist. From CNN.
    Who knew?
    Lol
    
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    August 5, 2017 7:37pm
Scorpion

GIVE YOUR VOTE TO NATIONAL

GIVE YOUR MONEY TO CHINA

GIVE YOUR VOTE TO NATIONAL

GIVE YOUR MONEY TO CHINA

GIVE YOUR VOTE TO NATIONAL

GIVE YOUR MONEY TO CHINA

GIVE YOUR VOTE TO NATIONAL

GIVE YOUR MONEY TO CHINA

GIVE YOUR VOTE TO NATIONAL

GIVE YOUR MONEY TO CHINA
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August 5, 2017 5:28pm
- itstricky
  
  I’m having a hard time trying to reconcile your various requests.
  
  Above you said ‘boycott Halal’
  
  Here you’ve said ‘give your money to China’
  
  Thing is, there’s 23 million (quote: Wikipedia) Muslims in China. That’s more than 40 times the Muslim population of NZ. And supposedly, ‘Halal food has a long history in China’ (quote: Wikipedia). Do you think you might be shooting own goals?
  
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  August 5, 2017 5:41pm
  - RalphT
    
    Ye gods, we’re in trouble if the 23 million Muslims in China is 40 times the Muslim population of NZ; that would give us over 500,000. That’s the last thing we need. If we have 45,000 (1% of the total) that’s one five hundredth of China’s
    
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    August 5, 2017 5:53pm
    - itstricky
      
      Yes, terrible arithmetic on my behalf. Did it on the fly, stuffed it up by a decimal place. Sorry.
      
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      August 5, 2017 6:06pm
Scorpion

NO THIS IS NOT NATZI GERMANY

THIS IS

ISLAMO FASCIST AUSTRALIA

TAKE NOTICE NEW ZEALAND

WHAT LOW LIFE
SCUM OF THE EARTH YOU VOTE FOR
IN THE ELECTION

NOT SAFE TO FLY THERE ?
ANYMORE
AND
NOT SAFE TO BUILD A SYNAGOGUE?

SOMEONE DO TELL ME WHY PEOPLE FOUGHT AND WON TWO WORLD WARS FOR?

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/bondi-synagogue-ban-over-terrorism-risk-leaves-jewish-community-shocked-and-furious/news-story/6ec6252d613583df7797c7cac2b25de4

A LOCAL council has banned the construction of a synagogue in Bondi because it could be a terrorist target, in a shock move that religious leaders say has caved in to Islamic extremism and created a dangerous precedent

<

Wow I wonder if they can tell us who the Terrorist Risk is from? and if that is the Case and they Tolerate no one else

Why are they allowed to practice there?

and if that is the CASE why does
a ParaMilitary Organisation have

TAX FREE STATUS
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August 5, 2017 6:11pm
- itstricky
  
  I think you really need to learn how to use bold. Or just rely on your literacy to get your point across, and not the CAPS LOCK key.
  
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  August 5, 2017 6:52pm
  - realityczech
    
    I find his punchy style and formatting refreshing. 🙂
    
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    August 5, 2017 7:45pm
    - nasska
      
      There’s no accounting for perception……I took it as proof of a deranged mind. 🙂
      
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      August 5, 2017 7:48pm
      - realityczech
        
        Rather have wrong than full of shit.
        
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        August 5, 2017 7:52pm
      - stigie
        
        The punctuation is quite unlike Philu’s though…eh…?
        
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        August 5, 2017 7:59pm
      - Scorpion
        
        IT IS IN CAPS FOR YOU
        NASSKA
        BECAUSE YOU ARE AS
        
        DENSE AS TWO SHORT
        BLOCKS OF WOOD
        
        THE REASON WHY THE WEST
        IS ACCEPTING MULTIPLE TERROR
        ATTACKS ON AN ALMOST WEEKLY BASIS
        
        AND NZ WILL GET ITS TURN
        
        IS BECAUSE OF IGNORANT, DENSE,
        SELF RIGHTEOUS, ARROGANT
        MORONS LIKE YOUR SELF
        AND THE CORUPT, USELESS,
        GUTLESS, RETARDED, MORONS
        
        YOU VOTE FOR
        
        BUT DO ENJOY
        THE HELL ON
        EARTH YOU HELP CREATE
        
        ALONG WITH YOUR
        LOW LIFE DEAD BEAT
        SCUM OF THE EARTH
        
        Maybe that is an insult to 2 pieces
        of wood but it is the Truth
        
        No Imaginary White Wing extremist
        are attacking Synagogues that I know of
        
        So I wonder WHAT LOW LIFE DEAD
        BEAT SCUM of the EARTH they are referring
        to in the reports on banning this building?
        
        If we answered that Question
        Your Little SCUM LOW LIFE
        NATIONAL SOCIALIST LAWYERS
        
        Who fund the Propaganda arm
        of the NATIONAL SOCIALIST Party
        of NZ would have us
        
        ARRESTED
        
        ALONG with the Cooperation of the POLICE
        
        That is what some might call an
        
        I S L A M O – FASCIST STATE
        
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        August 5, 2017 10:22pm
      - stigie
        
        Reddy has got nothing on this chap Nasska..?
        
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        August 6, 2017 8:14am
RF

It’s a scary thought. Socialist Cindy with Crooked Metiria lurking in the background running this country.

To call it third world is a luxury.

Our worse nightmares.
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August 5, 2017 8:30pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Go Ricardo Christie!

https://www.facebook.com/SurfingNZ/photos/a.10151931142004514.1073741847.300737149513/10155095911194514/?type=3&theater

His round 5 heat can be watched live (and free) at:

http://www.worldsurfleague.com/events/2017/mqs/1912/vans-us-open-of-surfing-mens-qs?home=1

7.30 PDT (in about 2.5 hours)
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