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Gruffydd

Wakey wakey.
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August 20, 2017 11:09am
- realityczech
  
  Great day out though it seems cooler for the time of year.
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:43am
  - sam green
    
    What? Winter?
    
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    August 20, 2017 2:45pm
    - starboard
      
      stooopid boy
      
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      August 20, 2017 4:55pm
Southern Raider

Art fraud is back at Labour

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95891686/artworks-used-to-funnel-secret-donors-contributions-to-the-labour-party

Will the electoral commission investigate and prosecute Labour for hiding the identify of large donors? Most likely not as it’s okay when the left do it
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August 20, 2017 11:11am
- starboard
  
  Funny..Klarkula returns and fraudulent artwork pops up. How bent are they !!
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:20am
  - pdm
    
    Very.
    
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    August 20, 2017 11:54am
  - stephen2d
    
    Like her teeth.
    
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    August 20, 2017 12:20pm
- realityczech
  
  Its a clear breach of the Electoral Finance Act and the artists could take civil action, and perhaps criminal.
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:45am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Labours classic art schemes. Our local artists residency. Council funds the art residents who get residency and undisclosed stipend from their capital fund . The artists then give art back to the trust which the trust accounts say are recorded as inventory of nil value. The artists are some of NZ’s top senior artists and they onsell the art for between $1k to $3k and gift it to benefactors. Because it’s inventory not assets theres no public record. They haven’t filed accounts since 2015 and there notes say their last accounts said they are considering the impact of the new more stringent accountability requirements for charities. And have not filed since. Complaints go nowhere. But the net effect is converting public money into a different asset that is high value but can be recorded as no value and not traceable.
    
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    August 20, 2017 11:53am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Call it what it is, Money Laundering.
      Bloody lefties, not dirty politics when they do it!
      
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      August 20, 2017 12:37pm
  - waikatosinger
    
    No artist is going to want to make a case that their art really isn’t worth what was paid for it.
    
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    August 20, 2017 11:53pm
- Gabby
  
  Got to be a McCarsehole wheeze. Wot larx.
  
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  August 20, 2017 12:01pm
- Souvlaki
  
  No better morally than Turei’s theft or Mexican drug cartel laundering ill gotten gains . It STINKS!
  
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  August 20, 2017 12:26pm
I've been to Mecca and you have not!

How are males to overthrow the Marxist matriarchy?
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August 20, 2017 11:12am
- cmm
  
  No need to take action. Just sit back and it will implode all by itself.
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:15am
  - Paulus
    
    Not with Helen in charge.
    
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    August 20, 2017 1:07pm
- realityczech
  
  Stop thinking with your dick. Stop paying them.
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:46am
Southern Raider

Good article this morning about how an advertising agency would promote each party. It begs the question who the hell is in charge of Nationals election strategy, or not as the case may be

Some of their suggestions are
– big billboard above Waterview Tunnel promoting that this was brought to you by National
– billboards beside large building sites about lowest unemployment since 2008 brought to you by National
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August 20, 2017 11:14am
- doggone7
  
  – big billboards everywhere letting people know that Kiwiblog is the habitat of large numbers of erudite, sagacious, sane, commentators with pointers to a brighter future?
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:21am
- MCos
  
  Need to be careful about that sort of thing. Someone else could put a sign up pointing out something that doesn’t look so flash . . .
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:31am
- Brigitte
  
  Bill steady at the wheel of an ocean liner pointing at empty sea (saying “steady as she goes”) with Labour pointing to an ice field saying “if we tack(s) it’ll be quicker”.
  
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  August 20, 2017 12:59pm
- Peter
  
  National should erect big billboards for Labour specifying the URL for The Standard
  
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  August 20, 2017 1:49pm
  - srylands
    
    That is a great idea. Most of the mesmerised have never heard of it. It could be “the back room behind the smile”. The real Labour Party.
    
    I can tell you one look at that lot and the Kandallah mums would run screaming.
    
    It would be worth it just to watch the meltdown.
    
    Anyway if the hat is being passed around for this plan I am happy to donate.
    
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    August 20, 2017 4:25pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95874654/anatomy-of-a-meticrisis-green-leader-james-shaws-candid-account-of-the-longest-week-of-all-time

So the Green way of handling a need for leadership: sit in the bath and watch last season’s TV shows.

Imagine him as deputy PM:

“The PM is in the maternity ward and we need the deputy PM to step up and make an announcement about some soldiers killed in Afghanistan. Where is he?”

“Sorry he’s in the bath watching re-runs. Can’t be disturbed.”
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August 20, 2017 11:14am
- G152
  
  In a bath?????
  Are you sure it’s a green ?????
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:33am
  - waikatogirl
    
    A shower uses less water. Wouldn’t that be better for the environment! ?
    
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    August 20, 2017 12:41pm
    - cmm
      
      But a shower would get in the carbon-neutral wine.
      
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      August 20, 2017 1:39pm
    - VicParking
      
      No this way he can wallow in his on filth.
      
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      August 20, 2017 4:13pm
- Gabby
  
  Sure beats sitting at your desk getting beskonke on witblits cmmiebokkie.
  
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  August 20, 2017 12:15pm
  - cmm
    
    Don’t knock witblitz until you’ve tried it.
    
    Drinking witblitz is far more environmentally sound than the wine Shaw drinks. It uses far less water.
    
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    August 20, 2017 1:35pm
- Nev.
  
  It’s news when a Green takes a bath. When was the last time you read about the eternal youth with a ladies beard?
  
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  August 20, 2017 6:13pm
Jack5

Does Antifa exist in New Zealand – Antifa, the anti-fascist group whose members where masks and carry baseball bats and Mace (the spray)? This group of Leftists who are now active in America allegedly descend from the groups of communists who fought Nazis in street battles in Germany in the 1920s and early 1930s.

Cast your mind back to 2004, when there was a march or demonstration in Wellington by about 45 members of the National Front, the extreme right group led by the New Zealand Kyle Chapman (his namesake in America seems now to be more notorious).

There was a counter-appearance by 800 people in a demonstration by a group called Multicultural Aotearoa. No problem from them. However, Inspector Paul Berry, of the police told the Press Association that about 200 members of a “radical, anarchist, punk-rocker type group” also converged on the cenotaph.

There were two arrests of National Front members or supporters.

However, Inspector Berry said:

“The radical group who confronted the National Front down at the Cenotaph really did cause most of the trouble.

“They had set out to confront the National Front people and make it their business to scare them out of town… we had a couple of bottles thrown from the crowd at either the National Front or into the police lines.

“We had a protester with a patu — a Maori club, a wooden one — hit a National Front member in the head.”

As pointed out previously, there are now two Kyle Chapmans active on the Far Right. The part-Maori Kyle Chapman who leads the tiny National Front in NZ, and a Kyle Chapman who has popped up amid extreme Right activists in the United States.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3603555
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August 20, 2017 11:16am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  deja vu
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:18am
- Kimbo
  
  This group of Leftists who are now active in America allegedly descend from the groups of communists who fought Nazis in street battles in Germany in the 1920s and early 1930s.
  
  Sorry, what do you mean “descend from”? In spirit? Ideology? Or an unbroken organisational line? The latter is aproblematic assessment as included in their motley rag bag of warring factions are…anarchists! 😉
  
  There have always been idiots and extremists at either end of the political spectrum (or at the point where the horse shoe curves!), including/especially in the USA where the Constitution and tradition guarantees freedom of speech and association. In times of pressure, e.g. 1929 Wall Street Crash and Depression) and following, 1947 and following (Cold war)1968 (anti-Vietnam War), 2008 (GFC) and following they seize their chance. Also, anarchist subversion in the USA is nothing knew, indeed go back 100 years and it wasn’t Muslims, but Eastern and Southern European migrants who were the “enemy within”. e.g, Sacco and Vanzetti…
  
  Just as they did in Europe in 1848…
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:26am
  - Kimbo
    
    Oh, yes. Leon Czolgosz who assassinated American President McKinley in 1901 was an anarchist.
    
    And then there was Emma Goldman, whom J Edgar Hoover described as “the most dangerous woman in America” (to be fair, he likely also called Martin Luther King the “most dangerous man in America” some 40 years later! 😉 ).
    
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/books/the-most-dangerous-woman-in-america-1.406292
    
    Being Jewish didn’t help in Goldman’s case, but then the anti-Semitic plot theories of idiots like EAD were more acceptable then. Henry Ford, for instance…
    
    Oh, yes, and Helen Keller was also a radical anarchist:
    
    “So long as I confine my activities to social service and the blind, they compliment me extravagantly, calling me ‘arch priestess of the sightless,’ ‘wonder woman,’ and a ‘modern miracle.’ But when it comes to a discussion of poverty, and I maintain that it is the result of wrong economics—that the industrial system under which we live is at the root of much of the physical deafness and blindness in the world—that is a different matter! It is laudable to give aid to the handicapped. Superficial charities make smooth the way of the prosperous; but to advocate that all human beings should have leisure and comfort, the decencies and refinements of life, is a Utopian dream, and one who seriously contemplates its realization indeed must be deaf, dumb, and blind.”
    
    https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/the-radical-dissent-of-helen-keller-by-peter-dreier/
    
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    August 20, 2017 11:40am
- Southern Raider
  
  Try pointing this out on social media or an MSM site and you get personally attacked
  
  The social justice warriors believe Antifa only exists to stop Nazis and will soon disappear
  
  When in fact they are the same people at G8 summits etc and want to completely destroy conservatives and capitalists
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:28am
  - mikenmild
    
    You could always condemn them when they protest against good things (international economic cooperation) and applaud them when they protest against bad things (support for racist monuments).
    Just like individuals. You, for example, probably have some sensible ideas alongside your terrible ones.
    
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    August 20, 2017 11:36am
    - Southern Raider
      
      Bollocks. The social justice warriors who come along probably have good but misguided intentions.
      
      However the core organisations behind Antifa, BDS and BLM are fundamentally opposed to western society and want it destroyed
      
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      August 20, 2017 11:44am
  - Gruffydd
    
    Antifa
    
    Gee the wingnuts have another target to go all snowflake over .
    
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    August 20, 2017 11:52am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      First they came for the Conservatives….
      
      Yeah because domestic terrorism is so uh nothing, they probably had to do it to feed their children while running for Parliament, lying about where they lived and being supported by their whanau.
      
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      August 20, 2017 12:10pm
- Fletch
  
  This group of Leftists who are now active in America allegedly descend from the groups of communists who fought Nazis in street battles in Germany in the 1920s and early 1930s.
  
  Both modern groups even have the same flags as the two groups who clashed in the Weimar Republic in 1930s Germany (Nazis and Antifa). The Communists vs the Fascists.
  
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  August 20, 2017 3:23pm
  - Fletch
    
    http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/antifa-symbol-traces-to-1930s-german-communist-organization/
    
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    August 20, 2017 3:37pm
    - Kimbo
      
      OK. So any links to the Concordat the Nazis and Fascists signed with the Catholic Church during that same period? And then there was the Falange Española and the Ustaše in Yugoslavia…
      
      Or is it bigotry/”squirrel” to ask that question? Hey, you did the Godwins, not me, and at least we know the Concordats happened and no one has denied it (emphatically at that)…unlike an alleged incident at LAX. 😉
      
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      August 20, 2017 3:40pm
gorse

I really am getting fed up with Stuff’s “hammer National” bias. Bringing up pony tails again using Paula Bennett as the scapegoat this time is not even funny.
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August 20, 2017 11:17am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  It’s a worldwide problem with the legacy media change a few words and you are describing the US
  
  I really am getting fed up with ~~Stuf/~~ CNN’s “hammer ~~National~~Trump” bias. Bringing up ~~pony tails~~Russia again
  
  change them again and you are talking about Brexit or any other centre right viewpoint that doesn’t fit with the Left’s “feelings”.
  
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  August 20, 2017 12:13pm
MCos

UK headline of the day
“Sex Festival in Tunbrige Wells Sparks Concern About Parking”
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August 20, 2017 11:18am
- Gabby
  
  Vic’s a well-travelled fellow.
  
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  August 20, 2017 1:35pm
Southern Raider

Try pointing this out on social media or a comments section on the MSM and all the social justice warriors jump in with personal attacks.

The position seems to be as soon as the Nazis are disbanded then Antifa will disappear.

I call complete bollocks to this as Antifa, BLM, BDS etc are actually about distroying conservative capatilist society through Marxist doctrine
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August 20, 2017 11:18am
Doubledimp

Watched Q+A, am getting sick of Corin Dann giving politicians his opinion rather than asking them theirs.

Interesting point by Stephen Joyce, houses are in short supply because no-one is moving to Aussie, if Labour come to power and people start leaving again for Oz at 20,000 per year, can they legitimately claim to have solved the housing supply problem?
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August 20, 2017 11:20am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I’ll make a prediction here. If the voters are stupid enough to put the Jacinderella party into power Auckland will have a massive housing oversupply within three years and prices will crash.
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:24am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “…and prices will crash.”
    
    There are quite a few young people out there who would wish for this to happen.
    
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    August 20, 2017 11:26am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Except those who’ve recently bought a house.
      
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      August 20, 2017 11:31am
    - mikenmild
      
      Well, central and local government have grossly mismanaged immigration and land supply for many years, so what is one to do. It’d be naive to think that a change of government would radically shift things one way or another.
      
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      August 20, 2017 11:37am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        You’re talking shit again milky.
        How can any Government manage or control the movement of New Zealanders to other countries or the return of New Zealanders to New Zealand in search of a better life? This is not immigration, and the relative movement is a response to how well the Government is managing our economy relative to that of other countries.
        Now, do you know which Government was in charge during the period 2000-2008 when we saw the big loss of New Zealanders to Australia?
        
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        August 20, 2017 11:54am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Yep, for prospective first home buyers electing a govt to crash the economy and house prices with it is a highly rational move.
      
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      August 20, 2017 1:59pm
  - Viking2
    
    Its going to happen anyway. We simply don’t need that many houses.
    
    Consents have slowed which is because no one can afford even new houses with the current LVR’s etc.
    
    Early next year you will see. lots of developers of sections not getting funds as easily.
    
    Just wait. It will happen but will be worse if Labour win. They will exact revenge on all the rich pricks as they do.
    
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    August 20, 2017 11:40am
    - starboard
      
      LVR’s will be dumped sooner rather than later, you watch.
      
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      August 20, 2017 12:26pm
      - Jack5
        
        China’s crackdown on investment in foreign real estate might have affect NZ’s property market, regardless of Reserve Bank policy on LVR’s.
        
        Regardless of the Reserve Bank, the trading banks and other big lenders will make up their own minds on how much is safe to lend. In a falling market that may mean they will lend lower proportions of buying price.
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/08/18/china-crack-firms-irrational-overseas-spending/
        
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        August 20, 2017 1:37pm
      - KevOB
        
        LVR has survived at least since the 1950’so far in one form or another.
        It’s a simple prudence test.
        
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        August 20, 2017 1:56pm
  - realityczech
    
    Captain Mainwaring so you think that house prices should be kept at absurdly over valued prices for the benefit of home owners ?
    
    Hard to be polite about that degree of ignorance, selfishness and greed. If your house loses value it is only on paper. Same if it increases.
    
    It is wankers like you that turn people to the Greens and Labour.
    
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    August 20, 2017 12:03pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Wow realityczech – you are wrong on so many levels there.
      
      Where to start:
      Capt MW isn’t the cause of the housing issue. Retarded Labour Lite RMA policy by National is the primary cause – thanks a lot Simon Upton (and no thanks to a bunch of outgoing National wets for supporting it back in 1990/1). The same twat who is soon to be Commissioner for the Environment – fucking unbelievable yes! It enshrined NIMBYism into a pillar of law rather than the social ill it really is.
      Secondly, another failure of successive governments is at play here. Lack of real incentivisation for true retirement savings investment instruments – other countries use tax-free incentives. In NZ the only rational option is to property speculate to seek a haven from socialist levels of taxation of retirement savings.
      I could go on – but why bother when you are clearly rabid on the issue. You made bad choices about your savings strategy – boo hoo! Hardly a good reason to go all antifa on Dad’s Army.
      
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      August 20, 2017 12:24pm
      - realityczech
        
        DifferentPerspective yes agreed.
        
        However he appears to be one of the many who actually want houses prices kept at absurd levels for his own benefit.
        
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        August 20, 2017 1:40pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      “Captain Mainwaring so you think that house prices should be kept at absurdly over valued prices for the benefit of home owners ?”
      
      When did I say that?
      
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      August 20, 2017 12:39pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Realityczech doesn’t understand that the voices in his head are not real.
        
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        August 20, 2017 12:45pm
    - Chris R
      
      …but who says they are over-valued (apart from you?) House values are not solely realised “on paper” they are realised at the point of sale. There’ll be an abundance of sales if the loony Left sneak through at the General Election. If Captain Mainwaring is to be dismissed as a “wanker” by you then it is you who deserves the harsh judgment for your cloying drivel.
      
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      August 20, 2017 1:18pm
      - Jack5
        
        An interesting point, Chris. State-owned Quotable Value provides values for local body rating.
        
        I think they pretty much set the values on going market prices.
        
        If there’s a dive in the property market, how will local bodies cope for rate income?
        
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        August 20, 2017 1:27pm
      - rangitoto
        
        “If there’s a dive in the property market, how will local bodies cope for rate income?”
        
        The value is used to apportion the rates like always. The total rates has nothing to do with property values.
        
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        August 20, 2017 2:12pm
      - Jack5
        
        Thanks Rangitoto. So local bodies decide how much they want to raise, then use the QV figures to divide up how to divide this among property owners?
        
        So if property prices/QV values fall that in itself shouldn’t affect whether our rates rise or fall?
        
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        August 20, 2017 3:02pm
      - Jack5
        
        Edit: So local bodies decide how much they want to raise, then use the QV figures to divide this among property owners?
        
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        August 20, 2017 3:09pm
      - realityczech
        
        “but who says they are over-valued”
        
        Every one with any understanding at all dimwit. The entire edifice is based on cheap debt and which has an inflationary effect.
        
        Go read a book.
        
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        August 20, 2017 3:18pm
- gorse
  
  Got “belted” off whaleoil (small w intended) a few years ago from daring to criticise corin dann (small c and d intended) as an idiot. Later on I just loved watching Mr. “expert” dann in New York, “live” looking like he had to eat a bucket of sick telling us Clinton had lost, after weeks of telling us she was going to win. Do not take this man’s opinion seriously, he is a political moron.
  
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  August 20, 2017 8:30pm
Hugh Pavletich

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Today’s Sunday Star Times report …

More good news for Labour as Jacinda Ardern prepares for campaign launch … (Sunday Star Times) Fairfax / Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95951483/More-good-news-for-Labour-as-Jacinda-Ardern-prepares-for-campaign-launch?cid=app-iPad

Labour leader Jacinda Ardern kicks off her campaign with an official launch in Auckland on Sunday buoyed by a new poll that puts her party within striking distance of a softening National vote.

The survey obtained by Stuff and undertaken by pollsters UMR Research – which Labour, NZ First and a range of corporates use – put Labour at 37 per cent, up one percentage point since the last UMR poll a week ago.

That was the same support shown in this week’s One News-Colmar Brunton poll.

But National was on only 40 per cent, down three from the previous UMR poll a week before. The One News poll also showed National down three percentage points but at 44 per cent.

There was better news for the Greens who were steady at 8 per cent in the UMR poll. That contrasted with the disastrous showing in the Colmar-Brunton survey released on Thursday that put them at 4.3 per cent – below the MMP threshold and in danger of crashing out of Parliament. … read more via hyperlink above …

Access yesterdays posts …

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/general_debate_19_august_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1995927 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/08/weekend-reading-19-20-august-2017/#comment-2939414
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August 20, 2017 11:21am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  We know how to read the (biased) media Hugh, no need for you to be their megaphone.
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:26am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    Capt Mainwaring … Note this response to flipper down thread …
    
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/general_debate_20_august_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1996763
    
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    August 20, 2017 12:02pm
    - starboard
      
      ” Hic..Hic..”doomed”..Hic…
      
      (See hyperlink)
      
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      August 20, 2017 12:28pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        THE DAY THE MUSIC STOPPED FOR NATIONAL … 28 May 2016 … the Newshun / Reid Research Issues Poll …
        
        Opinion: John Key’s Govt has failed New Zealand on housing | Newshub
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2016/05/opinion-john-keys-govt-has-failed-new-zealand-on-housing.html
        
        … covered within the GONE GONE GOING section at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
        
        Near a decade of deceit and incompetence … since 2007 …
        
        PM John Key on Housing Reform 2007 – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
        
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        August 20, 2017 12:44pm
    - Viking2
      
      Well Hugh you would have to agree that the previous scenario of 30 – 40 thousand Kiwi’s leaving NZ for jobs wasn’t in any way sustainable unless you also went.
      Ain’t it great that for the first time since about 1973 we have a positive population growth fueled by Kiwi’s returning home.
      Most of my life time working has been characterized by economic doom with rampant inflation, economic restructuring and the consequence of, a shrinking economy which still doesn’t export as much per capita as it did prior to 1973 and has less productivity per capita than 1973.
      
      Ain’t it great that we are short of houses so those arsewipes that beat up on Landlords for so many years or who became entitled to taxpayer housing are finally getting their turn at the grind.
      They should be made to live in tents as I did when I couldn’t afford a house or in batches in working mens camps like many soldiers who returned from the war or immigrants that came here after the war. If you don’t know what I’m talking about google it up.
      Fuck I get sick of the entitled and the stupid telling us how we should give them cheap houses.
      The only ones we should help are those that are unable to help themselves, not those that won’t.
      
      Anyway the Govt. has been buying up all the old motels. Why, well most are built in concrete block so the arsewipes can bang their stupid entitled heads on the walls with out breaking the walls.
      
      Had we continued as we were 10 years ago NZ would be another 400,000 Kiwi’s less as we trooped of from the Clarks and the haters of Labour.
      ITS THE HUGE CHANGE IN KIWI’S COMING BACK TO ROOST THAT IS CAUSING THE HOUSING PROBLEM.
      Ain’t it great.
      
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      August 20, 2017 1:29pm
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        Viking … there is nothing at all clever about the population ponzi … masking deep structural problems.
        
        Go check out GDP growth per capita and the lack of productivity growth over recent years.
        
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        August 20, 2017 3:39pm
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        Viking … when is John Key going to be held to account ? …
        
        JBWere’s Bernard Doyle on NZ’s productivity recession, population growth driving economic growth & advice for NZ sharemarket investors to reduce their holdings | interest.co.nz
        
        http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/89257/jbweres-bernard-doyle-nzs-productivity-recession-population-growth-driving-economic
        
        By Bernard Doyle*
        
        NZ Equities: Voting with our feet
        
        New Zealand has been in a productivity recession since 2012. Not that you’d notice from headline GDP numbers, which continue to print impressively. However GDP per hour worked has flat-lined for five years. Our per capita GDP growth is similar to Japan.
        
        In the absence of productivity gains, our economy has relied on more people, working more hours. Net migration provides a conveyor belt of fresh labour, but it comes with attendant bottlenecks in housing and infrastructure. The profitability windfall for these sectors has not arrived, with earnings warnings from all the major listed construction companies this year.
        
        An economic growth model that is reliant on pushing the capacity envelope can be prone to mishap. Against that, our key sources of demand: agricultural commodities, tourism and net migration, are volatile and have a habit of evaporating at short notice. Moreover asset prices have become a vulnerability: both housing and equity markets in New Zealand are priced for perfection. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        NZ in ‘productivity recession’, JBWere says – NZ Herald
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11901846
        
        NZ economy: more ponzi than real growth – MacroBusiness
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/08/nz-economy-ponzi-real-growth/
        
        Viking … why did John Key lie to Mary Kissel of The Wall Street Journal early 2009 ? … now unfortunately behind paywall…
        
        … Key had no intention whatsoever to embark on essential structural reforms … but he told the WSJ an entirely different story … and (so far) got away with it ! …
        
        New Zealand’s Prime Minister John Key Takes a Supply-Side Approach to the Global Recession – WSJ
        
        https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123638162497057661
        
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        August 20, 2017 3:56pm
Happychappy

It seems Labour the Party that criticize National about hiding donations from wealthy investors through a trust has now been caught out lying although legal with painting that artist do and give to Labour.It is alleged that the donor gives Labour a sum of money and they then name him as a donor of one of the paintings thus not having to reveal the size of the Donation given. Maybe this is how they were able to get around the $200,000 given for slave gate.
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August 20, 2017 11:24am
- Rachael Membery
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95891686/artworks-used-to-funnel-secret-donors-contributions-to-the-labour-party
  Interesting.
  
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  August 20, 2017 12:28pm
Southern Raider

You can tell Winston is going to make a positive contribution if he gets into power

His election slogan is “Had Enough”

Nothing like focusing on the angry negative people to vote for you
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August 20, 2017 11:24am
- emmess
  
  I always have a laugh when I go past those billboards.
  Had enough of what? Had enough of Winston?
  Well yes, he has been in parliament for nearly 40 years.
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:31am
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    Imagine what is pension is! Forty yrs at the trough!
    
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    August 20, 2017 12:35pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Love or hate Winston, he is the best reader of the mood of the people in NZ politics. Since he’s locked out of the traditional two main parties – his strategy is always to seek to be the King-maker by controlling the balance of power.
  
  Incidentally, this should be the natural niche for a Green party, but our watermelon variety spurned what has worked so well for European Greens in favour of marxism.
  
  Back to the point – and Winston is merely leveraging the Trump message (you know the one that resonated so powerfully as to put a no hoper into the WH with all the forces of Leftist evil deployed against him). There are many, many natural National supporters who HAVE had enough of Labour Lite policies from the lost in the woods National. There are many Labour supporters who have had enough of having union morons foisted upon them as the leader of Labour.
  
  Even more accurately, we keep on having our government decided upon not by the majority but by the most trivial of minorities. Last time National couldn’t govern until they bowed to the demands of the:
  – racist Maori party
  – the socialist United party, and
  – the pointless Seymour party
  
  representing a total of what 4% of the population – hardly representative.
  
  I’ve had enough of MMP and to be honest I for the life of me can’t understand why we voted to keep the form of electoral representation that has made Bolivia and Lesotho such world powerhouses.
  
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  August 20, 2017 12:32pm
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    “… I for the life of me can’t understand why we voted to keep the form of electoral representation that has made Bolivia and Lesotho such world powerhouses.”
    
    Not to mention Germany.
    
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    August 20, 2017 2:22pm
realityczech

Yet more fraud and corruption from Labour. Lets see how quickly the media try and bury this.

The Labour Party is hiding tens of thousands of dollars in donations behind over-inflated art auctions – and naming the artists as donors instead of the secret individuals handing over the big bucks.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95891686
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August 20, 2017 11:24am
- Gabby
  
  It works with really czitty books and wine too.
  
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  August 20, 2017 1:38pm
- gorse
  
  Buried already
  
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  August 20, 2017 8:12pm
Peter

Paying taxes is good!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/95956823/michele-acourt–jeremy-elwood-why-taxes-arent-so-bad-after-all

Erm, yes. We need to pay tax. But if someone is getting back in benefit a lot more than they put in, they aren’t “paying” tax.

Also, the state may take too much from one group, when they shouldn’t, and give it to another group who doesn’t deserve it. This ruins economies and hurts the very people it claims to help.

Perhaps we could ask these comedians why some people feel politicians know better than they do?
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August 20, 2017 11:25am
- Southern Raider
  
  Jeremy Ellwood is a cock
  
  Most comedians are left wing but he makes a special point whenever on 7 Days of having digs at National and gives Labour a free ride
  
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  August 20, 2017 12:00pm
  - Peter
    
    Both appear to have a somewhat basic view of taxation.
    
    It’s not paying tax that is the problem. It is how much, by whom, and what it is being wasted on. Taxation also creates fiscal drag, the equivalent of killing the golden goose, so it is right that politicians limit tax and people hold them to it.
    
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    August 20, 2017 12:15pm
    - KevOB
      
      It’s not paying tax that is the problem
      
      So long as someone else is paying it. As most us don’t we should not mind those who do being wary of changes.
      
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      August 20, 2017 2:01pm
  - Gabby
    
    He’s the jibberjabber one? Tongue too big for his face?
    
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    August 20, 2017 1:39pm
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Yes, and surprise surprise at the tax payers expense as well. Just another trougher.
    
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    August 20, 2017 2:08pm
NK

To all those angry middle aged men considering voting for Winston, do you still intend to after his minimum wage policy, and his much-worse GST off “basic food items” policy?

In case you were unaware, that policy requires asking grandmothers what “basic food items” are. If you don’t believe me, read Winston’s speech from yesterday. And not only is it led by grandmothers, it costs $700million.

Does anyone think food retailers won’t put prices up 15% to fill their own pockets if GST is taken off?

So I go back to my original question: Do you still intend to vote for Winston?
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August 20, 2017 11:30am
- Peter
  
  It appears to me that Winston and supporters understand cost-plus pricing.
  
  That is one, basic pricing model.
  
  If they learned a little more about pricing models, they’d soon realise that their policy will result in higher profits for supermarkets, not lower prices for consumers.
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:32am
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    Correct Peter but it would also mean that food producers end up losing again as they would have to absorb any increase.
    It is unbelievable how people think producers can pass costs on.
    
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    August 20, 2017 12:17pm
- cmm
  
  “Does anyone think food retailers won’t put prices up 15% to fill their own pockets if GST is taken off?”
  
  The only people who would really gain out of this would be:
  
  1) Accounting software companies: Mixed GST would need software that can charge GST on some items and not on others and can show the customer which items had GST charged and tell the company how much GST they have to pay to IRD. That’s going to cost retail businesses millions.
  
  2) Lawyers fighting over classification of foods: Is this “basic” or “luxury”. These are ongoing battles in the UK (eg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_Cakes#Categorisation_as_cake_or_biscuit_for_VAT).
  
  Pies sold cold are classified at less VAT than the same pies sold hot. So what happens if they sell the pies cold, but there’s a microwave where customers can warm the pies themselves? It’s a legal nightmare that costs a lot to implement.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/mar/28/pasty-tax-pie-budget
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:40am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  As we saw in the US – when the political options are totally unrepresentative of the needs of the people (because they’re so corrupt and lost in giddy rounds of wasteful virtue-signalling) there comes a point where you do not want to vote for the least awful option, and you want to vote to bring the house down in the hope that out of the ashes rises a more honest and representative solution.
  
  Currently the most moderate path to deflect National from their Labour Lite path is to foist Winston’s vengance on them. If that doesn’t wake National the fuck up then the country will descend into a form of chaos after 2020 when a Labour led government will be inevitable.
  
  National’s current policy pathway takes us down the gurgler slowly.
  Labour governance will take us down the same gurgler a little more quickly.
  Only a course correction, back to the centre right will save us from replicating the same mess that Europe is careering towards.
  
  I certainly will be weighing up options to find a way to give National the strongest negative message – and two ticks blue will just lock them on their current course. There is risk in giving Winston his head – indubitably. But there is no other way to show dissent – given Act have totally lost their way.
  
  I’d prefer a chance at redemption over guaranteed disaster. Introduce a little chaos. It seems to be doing good things for the US economy right now!
  
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  August 20, 2017 12:42pm
- KevOB
  
  Winston needs to have a talk with Peter Dunne or Judith Collins about tax administration. The costs of exempting any item from GST would be horrendous.
  The legal costs about the scope and qualification of any exemption would not be small either.
  
  National have already covered this by simply increasing the benefit.
  
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  August 20, 2017 2:07pm
- lifesgood
  
  Only the half wits on WO. They who worship at WOs feet.
  
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  August 20, 2017 5:56pm
kowtow

Spanish police search for imam.

Must be fake news , everyone knows the media and apologists insist that islam is a religion of peace.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/19/barcelona-attack-huge-manhunt-underway-amid-fears-terror-suspect/
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August 20, 2017 11:30am
flipper

HUGH has been drinking Tooth Fairy Koolade…………… AGAIN !!!!

URM is about as reliable as Robertson’s backside…… so is Morgan ….
0BUT latest Morgan is:

Nats – 42.5 – down 0.5%
Fairies – 32.5 – up 2%
Grteens – 9% – down 4.5%
Peters – 11.5% – up 5.5 %

Wonder what Curia says ???????????
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August 20, 2017 11:33am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  Flipper … The trends / momentum seems very clear indeed.
  
  As I hopefully made clear within yesterdays General Debate posts, Ardern is simply the effective messenger and credible leader for Labour.
  
  The issues polling has been extremely clear for a very long time.
  
  Access yesterdays General Debate and MacroBusiness Au postings … and draw your own conclusions of course …
  
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/general_debate_19_august_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1995927 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/08/weekend-reading-19-20-august-2017/#comment-2939414
  
  My sense is that National is heading for a dreadful thrashing 23 September … and deservedly so.
  
  National discovers a new feeling – panic … Tracy Watkins OPINION … Fairfax / Stuff NZ
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/95888082/National-discovers-a-new-feeling-panic?cid=app-iPad
  
  BNZ’s Tony Alexander says first home buyers are buying fewer homes because house prices are ‘too high’ and the loans they would need are ‘too frighteningly big’ | interest.co.nz
  
  http://www.interest.co.nz/property/89385/bnzs-tony-alexander-says-first-home-buyers-are-buying-fewer-homes-because-house
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:50am
  - realityczech
    
    Great link showing how National built out the housing bubble in Christchurch in record time.
    
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    August 20, 2017 11:57am
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      Realityczech … That’s rubbish. Its thanks to the smaller units of local government at Selwyn and Waimakariri being ‘responsive’. Here is an earlier Kiwiblog post where the May Stats NZ building consents numbers are discussed (the June ones are incredibly even worse … the CCC area is a dreadful mess !) …
      
      NEW ZEALAND: BASIC ‘NUTS & BOLTS’
      HOUSING PERFORMANCE INFORMATION REQUIRED
      
      http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/general_debate_30_june_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1960805
      
      The selected residential consent numbers May for the following territorial areas were …
      
      Building Consents Issued
      
      http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/industry_sectors/Construction/BuildingConsentsIssued_HOTPMay17.aspx
      
      New Zealand … 2794
      Auckland … 885
      Tauranga … 110
      Wellington … 67
      Christchurch … 225
      Waimakariri … 56
      Selwyn … 138
      
      The finance focused website Interest Co NZ rather surprisingly still just repeats these raw numbers … … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      August 20, 2017 12:13pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
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        When can we expect to see Statistics New Zealand generate on a monthly basis the standard industry measure ‘consent / start / completion rates per 1000 population per annum’ for all the local authority areas ? … for example … from mid last year …
        
        The rate at which new homes are being built relative to our population size is less than half what it was in 1974 | interest.co.nz
        
        http://www.interest.co.nz/property/83282/rate-which-new-homes-are-being-built-relative-our-population-size-less-half-what-it
        
        Despite huge housing shortfall, Auckland consents per capita only middling | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/83682402/Despite-huge-housing-shortfall-Auckland-consents-per-capita-only-middling
        
        Six new homes for every thousand Kiwis …August 2016 … Statistics New Zealand
        
        http://m.stats.govt.nz/tools_and_services/media-centre/media-releases-2016/six-new-homes-every-thous-kiwis.aspx
        
        … WHT ISN’T THIS BASIC INFORMATION / RESEARCH CONSTANTLY IN THE PUBLIC CONVERSATION ? …
        
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        August 20, 2017 12:22pm
      - starboard
        
        “Realityczech … That’s rubbish.”
        
        That’s rich comin from you Hughie..
        
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        August 20, 2017 12:31pm
  - Happychappy
    
    The voter is not interested in a bitter senile big noters opinion Hugh.
    
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    August 20, 2017 12:40pm
    - Gabby
      
      Not even one with brown teeth chappy?
      
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      August 20, 2017 1:40pm
Jack5

Kimbo I guess “claim to be inspired by” would probably be closer.

Yes, Antifa includes proclaimed anarchists – Left Wing anarchists. I believe there are also Right wing anarchists, and that even Mussolini began his political journey as an anarchist.

Anarchists are perhaps the most hopeless of the Utopians. Took about organising a piss-up in a brewery. Anarchists would still be arguing about the agenda for a discussion on the party when the beer had gone stale.

I wonder if there’s a smattering of truth in a story about one of the anarchist units in the Spanish Civil War (Orwell served in an anarchist unit and was wounded in the throat).

The story, perhaps apocrphyhal, is that higher command assigned an anarchist unit a section of the front in which to take part in a broad attack along with the communist and other socialist Republican units.

The anarchists, receiving the order, held a meeting to discuss it and eventually voted to attack a different section. They suffered heavy losses and failed in their section of the assault.
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August 20, 2017 11:35am
- Jack5
  
  Kimbo, this was in response to your 11.26 point.
  
  Edit function seems to be out of order and I couldn’t move the post to the right spot.
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:38am
- Kimbo
  
  I don’t think the narrative that “they set out to provoke the neo-Nazis” is one worth pursuing. Not for those of us who value the rule of law, and the respecting and protecting of the rights of others in the public space. They are both odious pressure groups, and the best thing to do is deprive them of oxygen, sympathy and excuses – while addressing the legitimate grievances of injustice, and acknowledging that the right to peaceful protest is a cornerstone of freedom.
  
  And illegally pulling down statues, or targeting a group of people on the basis of their religion is not how America is meant to run. But a woman died, and whatever you might think of her possible politics, or the driver of the car, there is no excuse or justification for that.
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:52am
  - Jack5
    
    Kimbo at 11.52 says: ‘I don’t think the narrative that “they set out to provoke the neo-Nazis” is one worth pursuing.”
    
    I don’t think anyone’s raised that in this thread, Kimbo.
    
    However, I don’t see the need for street protests and demonstrations by anyone in the internet age, when it’s so easy to get your views out to all.
    
    A century ago anarchists talked of propaganda by the deed, as they popped bombs around and shot politicians. That was never right, but now it’s surely counter-productive.
    
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    August 20, 2017 1:21pm
    - Kimbo
      
      However, I don’t see the need for street protests and demonstrations by anyone in the internet age, when it’s so easy to get your views out to all.
      
      Need? No. But then I’ve always found that the conduct of the radical left is the best advertisement against them…so why the hell would you want to discourage them? Penny Bright, anyone! 😉
      
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      August 20, 2017 1:29pm
      - KevOB
        
        I suspect there may be a genetic left physical activist type. There were elderly Labour ladies with umbrellas climbing on the back of my supporters and hitting them with the brollies.
        We also have had a wild unionist type who appears to be in the same family.
        Is there a human anarchist genotype?
        
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        August 20, 2017 2:14pm
realityczech

This latest fraud by Labour appears way more serious than that of Metiria Turei.

They look to have breached the Electoral Finance Act and opened up civil action by the struggling artists.

There should be an immediate freeze put on all the parties assets and accounts while this is properly investigated.

The artists had no idea the party was naming them as the donors – they never saw a cent of the money. They say their works are auctioned off at well above market value to wealthy benefactors who want to keep their support for the party secret.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95891686
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August 20, 2017 11:39am
- Jack5
  
  Morning Kea! The early bird gets the tick.
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:42am
- NK
  
  It’s not a fraud. It’s all perfectly legal, as was Bill English claiming his accommodation supplement.
  
  The Left have gone nuts over that English behaviour, saying it’s “morally” unacceptable even if within the rules.
  
  Will the Left apply the same standard over this “morally unacceptable” behaviour that is perfectly within the rules?
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:59am
  - Surely Knott
    
    It hides where the money went. It only records half of the transaction. The gift of the art to Labour. But the financial half of the art laundering, the converting that art into dosh isn’t recorded. We know about bill’s accomodation supplement. It’s been made transparent. But the public deserve transparency aroudn the dodgy art deals. And Labour’s usual money man is on the art trust that hasn’t filed accounts for years.
    
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    August 20, 2017 12:25pm
    - NK
      
      It records the market value, which is what the law allows. The actual donation, when compared with the market value, could be 5 times more.
      
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      August 20, 2017 12:58pm
    - KevOB
      
      If it can’t stand the light it stinks.
      
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      August 20, 2017 2:21pm
      - KevOB
        
        The gift occurred at the point of delivery to the Labour party or its agent unless some other intention was evident.
        
        The value of the gift was the properly assessed market value at that time.
        
        Labour then sold the artwork through an agent to a buyer at a special (non market) price and atrributed that as a “gift” from the artist.
        
        The buyer and the artist were at arms length and so the attributed gift could not have been made by the buyer.
        Fraud.
        
        I have been a qualified professional IRD valuer for the former Gift Duties.
        
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        August 20, 2017 2:34pm
mikenmild

I was hoping big bruv or Longknives might be along to crow about the Wallabies putting on 28 unanswered points in the second half against the All Blacks last night.
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August 20, 2017 11:45am
- Gabby
  
  Haven’t watched the game yet and can’t figure out why NZ decided to play retard rugby for the 2nd half. Maybe they were all tired.
  
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  August 20, 2017 12:46pm
  - VicParking
    
    Their head got so big they could not tackle anymore
    
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    August 20, 2017 4:29pm
- big bruv
  
  There was a game of rugby on last night?
  
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  August 20, 2017 4:36pm
  - realityczech
    
    bruv I heard about some guys in skimpy outfits groping each other in a paddock. Could that have been it ?
    
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    August 20, 2017 4:52pm
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      Nah, that was them doing the haka.
      
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      August 20, 2017 6:10pm
JasonJohns

HBO has footage near the art of its report of the tiki torch march at Charlottesville the night before the violence. Totally peaceful, dignified white Americans carrying their torches and chanting ‘The Jews will not replace us!’ in opposition to the globalist agenda. President Trump was right to support these patriots.
https://news.vice.com/story/vice-news-tonight-full-episode-charlottesville-race-and-terror
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August 20, 2017 11:55am
- Southern Raider
  
  Nazi much?
  
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  August 20, 2017 12:03pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Godwin much?
    
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    August 20, 2017 12:45pm
- cha
  
  Here’s the featured bigmouth’s snivel.
  
  https://christophercantwell.com/2017/08/17/mr-president-im-sorry/
  
  He got himself arsed from a hook up site, too.
  
  http://gizmodo.com/before-getting-banned-from-okcupid-white-supremacist-c-1797949753?IR=T
  
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  August 20, 2017 12:21pm
- realityczech
  
  The Jews never wanted to replace Americans, except in a few key positions of influence. They did that long ago.
  
  What the Jews wanted, and what they have achieved, is enslavement of the American people. They now only exist to serve the purposes of Israel and die willingly in service to Israel.
  
  Don’t blame the Jews. The Americans volunteered. Jews do what they need to for their survival and security.
  
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  August 20, 2017 1:03pm
Manolo

She says pass:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/queen-will-not-stand-down-for-prince-charles-xzlt6dqmc

The Queen has no intention of stepping aside for Prince Charles and insists it is “duty first, nation first, I’m going to be there”, according to sources close to the monarch.
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August 20, 2017 12:38pm
- mikenmild
  
  The interesting bit that has come out lately is the speculation about a regency. It has been clear from many years that the Queens will not abdicate; as she would regard that as a violation of her coronation oath. Installing her son as Regent would avoid that, allowing Betty Windsor to retire in fact, if not in name.
  I also have to laugh at opinion polls that show a majority of Brits would prefer Prince William to be their next King. Seems to miss the point of a hereditary monarchy – the hoi polloi don’t get to choose. Might as well poll them on the desirability of the tide coming in…
  
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  August 20, 2017 1:04pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Um, on purely hereditary lines there was no basis to replace James II while he was still alive with his daughter who became Mary II, or her Dutch husband William III. Which also disinherited James II’s son, James the Old Pretender, and his grandson, Bonnie Prince Charlie. Which means the current sovereign should rightly be:
    
    Franz, Duke of Bavaria
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria
    
    And QEII’s father, George VI became King Emperor, reigned and then died when his older brother was still alive. Edward VIII/the Duke of Windsor lived…until 1972. So QEII’s reign is arguably dated 20 years early.
    
    And, shades of James II, if Prince Charles converts to Catholicism… 🙂
    
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    August 20, 2017 1:12pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I’m not aware of any of the various depositions being effected by a vote…
      
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      August 20, 2017 1:15pm
      - Kimbo
        
        In a Westminster representative democracy?
        
        James II was deposed by the rule of Parliament, as also was his father, Charles I but that was a bit more…direct! 😉
        
        I seem to recall the duly elected and appointed Prime Minister, Stanley Baldwin and the various Dominions were insistent that Edward VIII, having made his non-negotiable choice of a marriage partner, had to abdicate in 1936. Actually, as there was a lot of press self-censorship, M J Savage’s reaction on being informed of the crisis was, “who is Wallis Simpson?” 😉
        
        Almost as amusing as uber-Catholic and Republican Eammon de Valera of the Irish Free State, on being asked his reaction to the prospect of his head-of-state marrying a two-time divorcee, “what the king does is not our concern”. 😉
        
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        August 20, 2017 1:22pm
  - KevOB
    
    A King who has talked to cabbages or any other vegetable may not be as desirable as his son.
    
    His treatment of Diana is also unlikely to be forgotten.
    
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    August 20, 2017 2:41pm
- Paulus
  
  Would never have happened – this was just the ramblings of the so called UK media with nothing better to do but read their own screens, like here in New Zealand.
  
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  August 20, 2017 1:28pm
- GoVege
  
  She knows if that revolting rottweiler gets anywhere near the throne, the monarchy will be history.
  
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  August 20, 2017 2:28pm
ChardonnayGuy

I’m against hate propaganda laws because media effects research usually indicates that media coverage is only one of a number of influences behind alleged behavioural ‘consequences’. I’m also anti-censorship when it comes to adult-oriented porn. It is a matter of debate within New Zealand’s LGBT communities, though.

Why bother, given the near-universal condemnation of that tosser Robertson from most sources of New Zealand public opinion? I’m perfectly okay with him getting sent to Coventry over that unpleasant little outburst. However, note also that there are such things as defamation and copyright laws that can be drawn on if he goes too far in this context.
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August 20, 2017 12:38pm
- realityczech
  
  Such laws are never about protecting people from harm. They are only ever passed with the intent to control what other people are allowed to say.
  
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  August 20, 2017 1:16pm
Ross12

So another day in what used to be peaceful Europe we have :
French city of Nimes in lock down.
A terrorist attack in Finland
ISIS taking responsibility for a knife attack in the Russian city of Surgut.

Don’t worry, Macron & co think this is the new normal and the Europeans just have to get used to it.
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August 20, 2017 1:08pm
- kowtow
  
  It’s because the elites ,who have caused the problem by allowing third world and particularly Muslim immigration ,have no answers. In fact they’ll make it worse by allowing Turkish membership of the union.
  
  The first step is acknowledging they have a problem with islam , the next is doing something about it.
  
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  August 20, 2017 1:42pm
  - Ross12
    
    Talking about Turkey I see the Turkish President telling Turks living in Germany to vote against Merkel.
    
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    August 20, 2017 2:44pm
  - Scorpion
    
    the EXACT SAMEE FUTURE NZ if
    
    YOU VOTE NATIONAL
    or as I call them
    
    NZ LAST
    
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    August 20, 2017 7:08pm
  - Scorpion
    
    the EXACT SAME FUTURE NZ if
    
    YOU VOTE NATIONAL
    or as I call them
    
    NZ LAST
    
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    August 20, 2017 7:09pm
krazykiwi

Jacinderalla said ‘there needed to be a balance between transparency and bureaucracy’.

No Cindy. Bureaucracy exists to serve & promote transparency.

You get a D- on one of the most basic tenets of governance.
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August 20, 2017 1:10pm
- SGA
  
  Bureaucracy exists to serve & promote transparency.
  
  That sounds impressive, but I’m not sure that’s why bureaucracy exists?
  
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  August 20, 2017 1:35pm
- KevOB
  
  Jacinda, Labour: amateur.
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  August 20, 2017 2:46pm
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    August 20, 2017 3:44pm
mikenmild

RIP Sir Colin Meads.
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August 20, 2017 1:15pm
- Kimbo
  
  First Sir DJ Graham, and now Pinetree.
  
  Is shaping up to be a bad year like 2011 – we may have won back the World Cup that year, but we lost Sir Fred Allen, Tiny White, Bob Scott and Sir Wilson Whineray.
  
  Like Sir DJ, I had a brief dealing with Pinetree a few years ago – very generous with his time, thoughts and wonderful under-stated self-deprecating earthy Kiwi sense of humour. Was of that generation who joyfully, willingly and tirelessly gave back to rugby (and his community, especially the IHC) because it had given so much to him.
  
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  August 20, 2017 1:40pm
- Gabby
  
  On being told, Ken Catchpole said, ‘You’re pulling my leg.’
  
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  August 20, 2017 1:48pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Gabby, ordinarily I’d tell you to fuck off and stop being a troll. But Pinetree strikes me as the sort of guy who would give a chuckle about that, while pointing out it was unintentional. But by his own admission, Martin Pelser, Michel Crauste, François Moncla, Michael Campbell-Lamerton, Willie John McBride, Clive Rowlands, David Watkins, Alain Plantefol, Jeff Young, Frik du Preez…less so! 😉
    
    After the Murrayfield sending off, and when the All Blacks flew to Cardiff the next day, in jest Kel Tremain threw a jacket over his head and was yelling to the pressmen, “there he is! That’s the dirty bastard!”, and insisted on nick naming Meads “Sent Off” for the rest of the tour! 😉
    
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    August 20, 2017 1:52pm
    - Gabby
      
      He still looks terrifying in the old game footage. The saddest thing about the 71 Lions series was his retirement.
      
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      August 20, 2017 1:58pm
Nookin

RIP Pinetree, and thank you.
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August 20, 2017 1:22pm
cmm

I see Jacinda needs Helen to come help her out and micro-manage her through the elections.

What kind of “leader” is that?

Helen killed off all leadership in Labour by surrounding herself with nodding yes (wo)men that couldn’t say anything without her approval.

Now Helen is playing puppeteer. Labour will not rebuild its leaders until she is gone.
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August 20, 2017 1:28pm
- starboard
  
  Cindys just a sock puppet, guess whose hand is up her arse.
  
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  August 20, 2017 1:32pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Starboard:
    
    guess whose hand is up her arse
    
    You’ll have to narrow that down – Clark or Clarke?
    
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    August 20, 2017 4:09pm
    - starboard
      
      LOL..good call my man !!
      
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      August 20, 2017 5:05pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The last thing we need is the horrible hag Hulun acting as puppeteer for the apprentice.
  TWO TICKS BLUE !!!
  
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  August 20, 2017 1:36pm
  - Gabby
    
    TULIXPU !!! !!! !!! !!! !
    
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    August 20, 2017 1:49pm
  - KevOB
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    August 20, 2017 2:47pm
    - Gabby
      
      Tulixpu
      
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      August 20, 2017 3:45pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  And Peter put in an appearance with Helen, they must be so proud of Jacinda. Protege
  
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  August 20, 2017 9:18pm
Anne Glen Eden

Having watched both The Nation and Q&A, I’m a bit speechless as what is being produced for voters. They’re both fairly relentlessly Left. I like both Lisa Owen and Corin Dann – but Q&A were streets ahead in even making an attempt at balanced comment on discussions.

I could go on but won’t. I will say that the clip on housing on Q&A (I think) ensured beyond the smallest doubt that I would not return to voting for the Left – as a traditional ‘socialist’ and/or ‘light blue’.

Two situations were included to describe the problem with unaffordable housing.

The first was a couple of academics who choose to work in tertiary education as part-time teachers/lecturers, as a lifestyle, in order to pursue ‘community work’ – and openly profess to not believe in ‘home ownership’ as a principle – and derided TV programs on the same for encouraging it. Nevertheless, they’re clearly not ‘struggling’ and/or could readily help themselves if they wanted to.

The second was a professional academic gay man, married to another gay professional, who have more disposable income than many and (call me old-fashioned) no ordinary expectation of having children.

Neither of those examples are the ‘norm’. I want to see examples of a couple working in rubbish collection, cleaning, admin, or trades etc. who are working to start having, or provide for existing, families and want a home to house them.

This is not just a matter of principle. Are the latter so scarce that there are none available as examples? Or are they just not important anymore – because they’re the majority?

Society is not okay if committed socialist part-time teachers and married gays are thriving although I’m happy if they do. Society is okay if the majority of ordinary people with families can thrive – in which case, so will the others. The Left just do not have their feet on the ground and care nothing for ordinary working people who are not even on their radar.

This is why they’re happy to introduce multiple new taxes and preach wage equality. Their policies are not targeted to ordinary working people.

The divide has radically changed. There is no National made up of business owners and profit makers and a Labour comprised of workers struggling to make a decent living and maintain a basic quality of life for themselves and children.

National now comprises working people – from the bottom up who want hope for a future. Labour comprises the intellectual left and professional women/minorities who already have enough, have options/choices, and want more so that they can be the new ‘rich pricks’ – if voluntarily ‘suffering’ or claiming to be virtue-signalling ‘models’ mouthing socialist platitudes.
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August 20, 2017 1:34pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Very well said Anne, as usual.
  
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  August 20, 2017 1:39pm
- cmm
  
  That majority have been silenced by a relentless program of shame and guilt – mostly delivered by those socialist teachers & lecturers.
  
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  August 20, 2017 1:47pm
- itstricky
  
  I thought you were only logical, Anne? There’s a lot of emotion, tribalism and stereotypes in that post too.
  
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  August 20, 2017 2:00pm
  - Kimbo
    
    @ itstricky
    
    Did Anne Glen Eden ever get back to you, btw? Here, I’ll repeat your question:
    
    Not sure why I’m ‘muttering mantras’ Anne. I simply said a woman was killed by a man driving a car.
    
    In fact, your sentences include the phrases: total control, neurotic, self obsessed, fighting the fight and a bunch of stereotyping of people in groups followed by immediately blaming a stereotype group for the actions of one man who (supposedly) wasn’t with them. Not sure how that works.
    
    Can you explain further why I am the mantra mutterer?
    
    August 17, 2017 5:29pm
    
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/general_debate_17_august_2017.html
    
    …or engage with your accurate clarification?:
    
    You made some non-logical, tribal comments yesterday, Anne.
    
    I repeated them back.
    
    I have not misquoted, or misrepresented you.
    
    August 18, 2017 6:12pm
    
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/general_debate_18_august_2017.html
    
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    August 20, 2017 2:07pm
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      Nope.
      
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      August 20, 2017 4:34pm
    - realityczech
      
      Kimbo, Just type “troll” on your wee keypad and nasty Anne won’t bother you anymore . You can sit back feeling smug about a job well done.
      
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      August 20, 2017 5:00pm
- realityczech
  
  Anne Glen Eden for PM
  
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  August 20, 2017 2:04pm
- Peter
  
  A lot of these people see work as being beneath them, particularly “socialist” middle-class women.
  
  They offer so little, yet want it all.
  
  Perhaps it’s time everyone else got off the treadmill and left the hard-yards to these people for a while. That would be amusing.
  
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  August 20, 2017 2:18pm
- mikenmild
  
  Society is not okay if committed socialist part-time teachers and married gays are thriving
  
  What. A. Fucking. Nutter.
  
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  August 20, 2017 2:42pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Troll more like it. Anne Glen Eden started off normal a few weeks ago like they sometimes do (Kea/realityczech is accomplished at it).
    
    I suspect a regular, two in particular and there are a few clues with the formatting, but either way, sure enough, the “crazy” just can’t be contained…or at least it seeps out in a carefully orchestrated gradual rise in the temperature 😉
    
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    August 20, 2017 2:53pm
    - realityczech
      
      bimbo instead of crying troll, how about not filling your head with crap and believing in nonsense. That way you will be able to form defensible positions and not have to cry troll.
      
      Even someone as clearly limited as you can believe in what is real.
      
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      August 20, 2017 4:56pm
- KevOB
  
  Jacinda, Labour: amateur.
  
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  August 20, 2017 2:49pm
- gorse
  
  couldn’t have said it better
  
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  August 20, 2017 8:08pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/95957195/search-for-pair-in-tongariro-national-park-continues

Either:
1) They are alive and will come out by themselves if they so choose and can be processed by the police and justice system.
-or-
2) They’re dead and the pigs will process them.

Either way I don’t see much point putting searchers at risk.
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August 20, 2017 1:43pm
- Gabby
  
  3) It’s a jackup and they’re holed up back in town.
  
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  August 20, 2017 1:53pm
Manolo

A second and more dangerous Muslim invasion of Spain:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4804244/UN-warning-migrant-emergency.html

The flow of migrants entering Spain from North Africa could become a ‘big emergency’, the UN’s migration agency warned yesterday.

With boats arriving daily, the number of people crossing the western Mediterranean to reach its shores has more than trebled this year.
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August 20, 2017 1:44pm
- MCos
  
  Someone is invading Spain, you say, how ironic is that!
  
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  August 20, 2017 2:25pm
Manolo

Muslim integration into European societies is working well, isn’t it?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40985528

Police in Finland say a knifeman who killed two people in the south-western city of Turku on Friday appeared to choose women as targets.

They are treating the attack as a terrorist incident.
The suspect, arrested after being shot by police, is an 18-year-old Moroccan. Four other Moroccans have been held.
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August 20, 2017 1:48pm
Jack5

Has Kea returned alone, or as a flock of parrots?
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August 20, 2017 2:10pm
- Kimbo
  
  I’m suspecting the same thing about Redbaiter…
  
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  August 20, 2017 2:14pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    The number of nutters on here is unusually high even for KB
    
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    August 20, 2017 2:18pm
    - starboard
      
      Welcome aboard
      
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      August 20, 2017 5:08pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      It’s the election that attracts them Griff.
      
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      August 20, 2017 6:56pm
      - Kimbo
        
        So come September 24 they will disappear without trace like Judith did in 2014? 😉
        
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        August 20, 2017 6:59pm
- GoVege
  
  I miss Icky…
  
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  August 20, 2017 2:34pm
- realityczech
  
  Lucia reckons there are 50 of them ! Oh and she wants all of them banned LOL 🙂
  
  It is all a conspiracy of course…
  
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  August 20, 2017 3:01pm
  - mikenmild
    
    No one wants to ban you, Kea. Your orchestrated trolling is a fine piece of performance art. It’s only the numpties who get caught out by the game that feel outraged.
    But how do you keep score? Are you hoping that someone will lose control cop a ban for something you have provoked?
    
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    August 20, 2017 3:06pm
kowtow

If Italy can do it ,why can’t the rest of Europe?

‘Italy on Saturday announced the deportation of two Moroccans and a Syrian suspected of Islamist extremist sympathies, lifting to 202 the number of such orders since January 2015.
Such expulsion orders, with no option for appeal, are one of the main planks of Italy’s strategy for preventing the kind of jihadist attacks suffered by other European countries.’

https://www.thelocal.it/20170819/italy-anti-terror-expulsions-top-200
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August 20, 2017 2:19pm
- GoVege
  
  Good one!!
  
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  August 20, 2017 2:38pm
- Inandout
  
  This will piss the Pope off. He wants Italy flooded with the ‘dispossessed’, the ‘down trodden’, the children of God.
  
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  August 20, 2017 4:12pm
  - realityczech
    
    “the children ”
    
    What do you expect from Catholic clergy ?
    
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    August 20, 2017 5:02pm
krazykiwi

The breathless Herald banner:

BREAKING NEWS! Labour Leader Jacinda Ardern Payes Tribute to Sir Colin Meads at Campaign Launch: He as a Great New Zealander

I’m not sure what is more nauseating: The Herald’s gushing, over-publication of everything gummy, or gums herself pretending to know anything about pinetree.
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August 20, 2017 2:53pm
- realityczech
  
  Lets see if they give the same coverage over Labours latest art fraud scandal.
  
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  August 20, 2017 2:58pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Buried deep within the NZ Herald article:
  
  Former Prime Minister Helen Clark is also attending – her first appearance at a party election event since she left after the 2008 election. … Clark has been given a standing ovation at the Labour Party launch – the first time she has attended a major party event since 2008. Clark is at the launch with husband Peter Davis.
  
  Thank goodness Peter wasn’t too busy to attend!
  
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  August 20, 2017 3:46pm
  - stigie
    
    Peter has always attended to Helen’s needs, you know that Nostra..?//
    
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    August 20, 2017 4:52pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Absolutely Stigie!
      
      Oh, and while I’ve got your attention, you left us all in suspense with this comment back in April: “She might spend more time with her husband Peter and pretend to attend to his manly needs..?” Can you tell us more, or is this another thing that’ll be covered in Dad’s book?
      
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      August 20, 2017 4:59pm
      - stigie
        
        Nostra:- Be interesting if you could go back to when Dad said he was writing a book that covered all the sordid stuff that happened at LAX, and of course all the much loved stuff said about Dad over the years on this the Blog for real NZs !~
        
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        August 20, 2017 5:07pm
      - starboard
        
        But but but..whos looking after PD’s glory hole at LAX ??
        
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        August 20, 2017 5:10pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        The book is definitely going to happen:
        
        2014: I hope you’re not blind and you enjoy my book about my terrible injustice.
        
        2016: Wow my book is going to go to number one before I have finished it thanks girls lol. Comment after comment only makes it better.
        
        Dad just needs a bit of encouragement from his Kiwiblog friends to finish writing his book!
        
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        August 20, 2017 5:32pm
    - RF
      
      Nostradamus.
      
      Peter was last seen tossing a coin with Aaron Smith outside a toilet at the Christchurch airport. The winner gets to go in first.
      
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      August 20, 2017 6:22pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        RF:
        
        Thank goodness it was a coin (and not something else) being tossed!
        
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        August 20, 2017 7:23pm
- Longknives
  
  Remarkable considering the Left are always banging on about how much they detest ‘Old White Men’…
  
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  August 20, 2017 5:14pm
Viking2

The Opportunities Party (Top) leader Gareth Morgan used the 11th commemoration of King Tuheitia’s coronation on Sunday to pledge his political bottom line.

While politicians of many stripes were welcomed to the seat of the Kingitanga at Turangawaewae Marae, Ngaruawahia, on Sunday morning, Morgan used his speech to announce his party’s non-negotiable stance: unequivocal protection of the Maori electoral seats.

“I state without ambiguity that in or out of Parliament, The Opportunities Party will stand beside you resisting any attempt to disestablish or diminish the provisions currently in place for Maori representation in our Parliament.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95960460/gareth-morgan-pledges-bottom-line-of-the-opportunities-party

So he can kiss his arse goodbye.
Pandering to Tuku and the bro’s.

I have never noticed any bro’s holed up in his holiday batch on Marine Pde.

He might have made a lot of coin but that doesn’t stop him being a fool.
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- Longknives
  
  Ha Ha “King Tuheitia”
  WWE’s Jerry ‘The King’ Lawler has more of a claim to Royalty than that in-bred halfwit!
  
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  August 20, 2017 5:08pm
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    Longknives, should I report you for trolling dickhead ?
    
    Cause that is what happens when you disagree with someone eh ? Just like you did with JJ on the Meads thread.
    
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    August 20, 2017 5:11pm
    - Longknives
      
      Sorry did the Maori ‘King’ die today??
      Because unless he did- He is open game….
      
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      August 20, 2017 5:37pm
- starboard
  
  **snigger snort**..maori king!..**chortle snigger**
  
  He’s a fucking truck driver !!!
  
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  August 20, 2017 5:12pm
Nostradamus

On Thursday the High Court of Australia gave judgment in the matter of Knight v State of Victoria. I’ve previously commented on this case here.

Here’s a brief summary:

1. Julian Knight has been in jail since 1987. His non-parole period ended in 2014.

2. In 2014, one month before the non-parole period ended, the Victorian Government passed this law. The Minister said:

Julian Knight committed one of the most heinous crimes in the history of Victoria. Victorians can rightly expect that the government will do whatever we can to ensure Julian Knight is never released until he can do no harm, and with this bill, this government is delivering on that commitment. … The effect of these provisions are [sic] that Julian Knight will die in jail, or will be in such a condition on release that he will be a threat to no-one.

3. The Victorian Government did everything it could to make the law unchallengable. The law expressly excludes human rights legislation: “[S]ection 31(7) of the Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities Act 2006 does not apply to this section”.

4. Knight doesn’t want to stay in jail for the rest of his life, so he challenged the law. He asked the High Court to tell the Victorian Government that the law is invalid under the Australian Constitution. The High Court said (in polite judicial language) nice try. So, Knight will stay in jail until he rots.

In New Zealand, our three-strikes legislation is designed to ensure that the worst offenders stay behind bars for a long time, but they’re eventually released back into the community. In recent years I’ve read about some evil people who should never be released. Here’s an overseas example: “He is a 53-year-old Australian accused of the torture and murder of children for his own sexual gratification. His alleged crimes are so bad that authorities are considering reintroducing the death penalty to execute him”.

So what’s the answer – lock the worst criminals up for longer (under our three-strikes legislation) at considerable taxpayer cost and hope they can be safely released into the community (rehabilitated or otherwise) many years later? Or, despite the legal hurdles, should we try what they’ve successfully done in Victoria anyway?
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August 20, 2017 4:33pm
- nasska
  
  Personally I won’t be satisfied until a life sentence means just what was originally intended…..for the term of one’s natural life.
  
  Anything less is an insult to those whose own lives were needlessly shortened.
  
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  August 20, 2017 5:14pm
  - realityczech
    
    nasska, then all you will see are less life sentences imposed by the courts.
    
    The current system is far from perfect, but that does not make the alternatives any more effective. Simply “getting tough” does not work.
    
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    August 20, 2017 5:18pm
realityczech

These vile haters of science must be stopped:

Labour leader Jacinda Ardern has declared climate change the “nuclear free moment” of this generation.
She also acknowledged the presence of former prime minister Helen Clark, who got a standing ovation.
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August 20, 2017 4:38pm
realityczech

Who can spot the missing language at the start of the mule toothed communists campaign launch ? She did manage 7 other languages though in a disgusting and vulgar display of PC platitudes.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95964245/jacinda-arderns-climate-change-challenge
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August 20, 2017 4:41pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Here’s Jacinda’s campaign launch speech. This part caught my eye:
  
  And a warm welcome to those who travelled near and far, like my wonderful mum Laurell all the way from Niue, and to those watching this online – including my sister in London.
  
  Andrew Little will be disappointed that her father Ross had to stay back in Niue: Jacinda Ardern’s dad involved in Niue hotel deal that Andrew Little says stinks.
  
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  August 20, 2017 4:53pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Cindy promised in her speech to her devotes today to charge farmers for greenhouse gas emissions. That is yet ANOTHER TAX on top of the water tax farmers’ will have to find if Liarbor gain enough votes to hold power.
  
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  August 20, 2017 7:26pm
- Gabby
  
  Deutsche?
  
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  August 20, 2017 9:29pm
Happychappy

Does Jacinda found a way out of the marriage from hell between Labour and the Greens by announcing the Climate Change Challenge today. Has she realized that Labour will not need the Greens and clears the way to court a Labour and NZ First Government if National drop any further in the Polls.
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August 20, 2017 5:00pm
- Brigitte
  
  My very thoughts. Clearly she’s realised that the Greens are now superfluous and is openly kicking them whilst they’re down. Given that the Greens seem to have abandoned climate/environment and gone for welfare (and immediately successfully shot themselves in both feet) it’s a smart move. National will need to up their game bigtime.
  
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  August 20, 2017 5:20pm
  - nasska
    
    …..” National will need to up their game bigtime”….
    
    It’s too late. National have forgotten that elections are won in the centre & have decided to pander to the religious Right. There’s not an extra vote to be had from conservatives…..they’re either on already on board the blue train or determined to waste their votes with Winston to “teach National a lesson”.
    
    Denying assisted suicide to the suffering & continuing to demonise marijuana will erode the soft centre right vote quicker than deep frying will wreck an ice block.
    
    The conservative vote will ensure a socialist government.
    
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    August 20, 2017 5:39pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Nasska: It won’t worry me but will probably affect my two Daughter and their business which hopefully they will be able to manage but for those that have the need to teach National a lesson deserve what they get. The thing is they will back on hear crying crocodile tears about everyone else that ruined NZ by giving their vote for a Labour NZ First Government.
      
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      August 20, 2017 5:55pm
      - nasska
        
        It will be everyone else’s fault bar theirs Happychappy. They’ll spend months on this forum, crying into their gin about what the new socialist taxes are doing to them without a thought that politics is the art of the possible, not the perfect.
        
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        August 20, 2017 6:01pm
Sublime

Following the ‘Kiwi’ revelation, the Betoota Advocate has been on fire with its coverage of Barnaby Joyce.

http://www.betootaadvocate.com/sports/barnaby-joyce-fire-accidentally-standing-kiwi-anthem-bledisloe-match/

Australian Deputy Prime Minister and dual-Kiwi-citizen Barnaby Joyce has come under fire this morning after he was seen sub-consciously standing up for the New Zealand national anthem at the All Blacks match against the Wallabies last night.

Having this week been dubbed the Member for New Zealand, Mr Joyce has only made things worse for himself by forgetting that he wasn’t meant to be cheering the All Blacks.

A spokesperson from Mr Joyce’s office says it was purely a result of bad timing, as the MP was simply adjusting his Tamworth merino wool boxer shorts.

“He didn’t mean to stand up. Any allegations that he was singing the national anthem, including the Maori verse, as well are Fake News”

“Also any allegations that his ‘mana was pumping’ during the All Blacks haka are also fake news”

LOL
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August 20, 2017 5:31pm
- Gabby
  
  Barney’s been told to steck to Rewls games. He jars dozen lessen.
  
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  August 20, 2017 9:37pm
Jack5

Bugger water! Who owns the mining rights around the Taupo super volcano?

Scientists think super volcanoes, and Taupo is one of the biggest, may hold part of the answer to future world supplies of lithium, used in batteries that will be increasingly power electric cars and store energy for solar-powered homes.

Scientists have studied lithium-enriched magmas that formed by super volcanoes. Over thousands of years, lithium leaks out of the volcanic deposits, accumulating in the caldera lake, eventually becoming concentrated in a clay.

The scientists have shown super volcanoes have the potential to host huge amounts of this lithium-rich clay.
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August 20, 2017 5:34pm
- cha
  
  Not if they perfect rechargeable alkaline batteries.
  
  We think that ultimately things like aluminum-alkaline batteries will meet the performance of lithium, but with abundant materials and way cheaper. And it’s also recyclable.
  
  https://www.wired.com/story/bill-joy-finds-the-jesus-battery/
  
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  August 20, 2017 5:38pm
  - nasska
    
    Thanks for the link cha……very informative.
    
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    August 20, 2017 6:24pm
  - Jack5
    
    Cha, some people recharge alkaline batteries now, but others say this is risky (fire, etc).
    
    Bill Joy seems to support the view that normal alkaline batteries are rechargeable when he says in the Wired piece:
    
    We’ve had alkaline batteries since they were invented by Union Carbide about 1960. They use zinc and manganese dioxide. It’s always been cheap; it’s always been safe. The ingredients are abundant. It’s pretty high power, although it’s a little heavy. The only thing it hasn’t been is rechargeable. You could get 20 or 30 cycles and the thing would short out …
    
    If only 20 or 30 re-use cycles it is probably more economic to buy one of the better official rechargeable battery brands. Some are said to be rechargeable hundreds of times.
    
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    August 20, 2017 8:17pm
- realityczech
  
  Jack5 interesting.
  
  We need to strip mine the area for lithium and build plenty of new coal power plants to recharge the cars.
  
  Its a win/win sustainable future, powered by coal.
  
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  August 20, 2017 5:45pm
  - Jack5
    
    Dig it out before the Taupo super volcano blows again, wiping out much of the North Island and probably causing a global deep freeze as the sun is blotted out.
    
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    August 20, 2017 8:19pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Dig it out
      
      Na,…just extract it out of Wairakei’s waste water…
      445 tonnes of lithium pours into the Waikato each year…
      https://www.nzpam.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/doing-business/mineral-potential/beryllium.pdf
      
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      August 20, 2017 8:54pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Na,…just extract it out of Wairakei’s waste water…”
        
        Labour will tax that. It probably won’t be economic.
        
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        August 20, 2017 9:01pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Tu Wharetoa are the Taupo area tribe and were gifted the mountains and lake bottoms from the nation some years ago, as I remember.
  Sorry Jack5, you are out of luck with any lithium ‘gold rush’.
  
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  August 20, 2017 7:30pm
  - Kimbo
    
    I seem to recall Tuwharetoa first gifted what became Tongariro National Park over 100 years ago.
    
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    August 20, 2017 7:39pm
Manolo

Comrade Jacinda delivers a good speech and presents well.

If she can hold her ground in the debates against dour Bill, I reckon it will be curtains for spineless Labour lite.
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August 20, 2017 5:47pm
- starboard
  
  Yup..its gona be close but Im picking red.
  
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  August 20, 2017 5:57pm
  - sooty
    
    Its amazing how Angrys polices are all taste different with a new wrapper!
    
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    August 20, 2017 6:21pm
RF

Manolo..

I suspect her Talk is cheap. She is just preaching to the converted who have previously been staying away because the previous 4 leaders were bloody useless.

It gets right up my a….. when she starts pointing her finger and scolds everyone.

I am waiting for the debates.
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August 20, 2017 5:59pm
- Manolo
  
  Do not get me wrong. I vote Act and despise Labour and all it represents, but Labour lite looks rudderless and aimless.
  
  The Nats’ campaign seems to be faltering big time.
  
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  August 20, 2017 6:09pm
  - realityczech
    
    Sadly you might be right. We are in major trouble if Labour gets in.
    
    Key did the smart thing by moving National to the center left occupying the ground Labour once held. Labour have responded by going far left.
    
    You may call National “Labour-Lite”, but the reality is that the gap between them is as big as every. Modern Labour are very extreme in their policies and philosophies.
    
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    August 20, 2017 6:15pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    10b on new motorway systems announced today by National. Wonderful.
    National do need to push their blue/green credentials, talk about their environmental success stories. And Bill needs to smile more. Sounds lame but personality, and a smile is enough for many voters.
    
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    August 20, 2017 7:47pm
    - Gabby
      
      Is it not even spending that’d already been announced this time? It’s a proper bribe this time right?
      
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      August 20, 2017 9:22pm
- Longknives
  
  “Comrades,Comrades,Comrades..”
  
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  August 20, 2017 6:37pm
  - RF
    
    I was waiting to hear socialist cindy spurt those words out during her speech.
    
    Up close she is no oil painting. She’s looking very thin and tired.
    
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    August 20, 2017 6:45pm
    - realityczech
      
      I would pick her as neurotic with various eating/psychiatric disorders such as veganism and a list of fashionable food allergies.
      
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      August 20, 2017 6:50pm
      - RF
        
        Apparently she had a melt down early this week over something that she did not like. A witness in the next room likened it to a screaming skull moment. She can be a very demanding foot stamper.
        
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        August 20, 2017 7:16pm
      - starboard
        
        Poor old Clarke..pussy whipped heh.
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:02pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Well, you can’t expect her to be as attractive as Bill English, can you?
      
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      August 20, 2017 6:52pm
      - RF
        
        The Emerson cartoons of Bill are so funny.
        
        I enjoy reading them.
        
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        August 20, 2017 7:25pm
- Gabby
  
  You want to grab that finger so very.. very.. badly don’t you rf rf. Why I do believe you’re trembling at the thought. Down boy.
  
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  August 20, 2017 9:24pm
realityczech

The mule toothed communist has announced another tax on farmers. They want them to pay more tax for animal farts.
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August 20, 2017 6:11pm
krazykiwi

Cindy says:

I remember listening to a couple of members of my family discussing climate change a few years ago. It’s fair to say they were sceptical. I was waiting for my moment to jump in, when suddenly I heard my father pipe up. “I don’t know much about the science he said, “but I do know what they showed me in Kiribati”.

He had visited with local village leaders who had shown him where the water sat when they were children, and where it was now – lapping squarely around their survival.

There will always be those who say it’s too difficult. There will be those who say we are too small, and that pollution and climate change are the price of progress. They are wrong.

We will take climate change seriously because my Government will be driven by principle, not expediency. And opportunity, not fear.

Science says:

Climate scientists have expressed surprise at findings that many low-lying Pacific islands are growing, not sinking.

Islands in Tuvalu, Kiribati and the Federated States of Micronesia are among those which have grown, largely due to coral debris, land reclamation and sediment.

The findings, published in the magazine New Scientist, were gathered by comparing changes to 27 Pacific islands over the last 20 to 60 years using historical aerial photos and satellite images.

Auckland University’s Associate Professor Paul Kench, a member of the team of scientists, says the results challenge the view that Pacific islands are sinking due to rising sea levels associated with climate change.

“Eighty per cent of the islands we’ve looked at have either remained about the same or, in fact, gotten larger,” he said.

“Some of those islands have gotten dramatically larger, by 20 or 30 per cent.

Science-free piffle from The Vacuous Commie.
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August 20, 2017 6:14pm
- Gruffydd
  
  You think you get science from WUWT
  rofl
  
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  August 20, 2017 7:26pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    To be clear Griff, you’re saying that Auckland University’s Professor Paul Kench, a coastal geomorphologist, is wrong? You have evidence?
    
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    August 20, 2017 7:35pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      No I am saying that your source and link are to a web shite well known for posting crap.
      
      That you use it for a source for “science” explains why you have fuck all of an idea .
      
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      August 20, 2017 7:47pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hahahahaha, look at Griff the Stalking DKHead on ‘denier’ Patrol turn up and issue abuse. He calls others nutters but he’s the one with the Mental Ilness.
        Soooo funny. And predictable.
        The irony is years ago he pooh poohed Watts research into Urban Heat Island Effect and now he’s a believer.
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:03pm
      - realityczech
        
        All_on_Red, someone posted a link on KB to some climate sites. Griff was all over them constantly getting shown up as both ignorant and dishonest. They were much harsher on him than we are here. Those people really knew their science and were very unkind to Griff interrupting their discussions. 🙂
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:10pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        It was Maggy. Looks like Griff the DKhead got his arse handed to him on WUWT. No wonder he’s dark on them after being made to look so stupid.
        Here’s a sample.
        ‘Griff,
        That’s called a straw-man argument. Look it up. The fact that you would stoop to such tactics means that you have no cogent arguments. This is why you are mostly ignored here.’
        
        ‘Anyone ever notice how Griff, just loses perspective of the article and discussion then wanders off in his hunt for assumptions and conspiracies?
        If his writing was a little more obtuse, he could be Loserandownsky researching his next fabrications.’
        
        ‘I gather, that you Griff, with your usual total lack of reading comprehension did not read the comments.’
        
        ‘Absolute confirmation that griffypoo, never reads the articles or most comments.
        Read the article griffy, before making grossly wrong statements.’
        
        I think this last one is apropos given Griffypoo’s smear on KK…
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:21pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Ironically, Watts has done more to strengthen the scientific evidence for AGW than refute it. A libertarian think tank, the Heartland Institute, published his “academic” work based on the Surface Stations data claiming that NOAA’s weather stations did not meet regulatory code and had collected unreliable data that exaggerated maximum temperatures. Watts’ data (collected by volunteers) consists only of pictures and information about the locations and surroundings of weather stations. Watts then assumed that poorly-located stations had to overstate the global warming trend, without bothering to do any of that annoying and tedious stuff like statistical analysis. A study published in the Journal of Geophysical Research – Atmospheres did analyze the data, and found that the stations Watts flagged as unreliable were indeed unreliable. They had actually underestimated the maximum temperatures. Good catch, Anthony! The authors further pointed out that “photos and site surveys do not preclude the need for data analysis.” (Zing!)
        
        In 2011 Watts claimed to have new “research” that would prove the unreliability of the weather stations and shake the very foundations of AGW theory. In fact, when the paper was finally released, it came to essentially the same conclusion as the aforementioned JGR study: minimum temperatures at a number of stations were biased slightly upward and maximum temperatures biased slightly downward, thus canceling out the bias when averaged.
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:28pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        ROFL
        Seen any of those volcanoes DK?
        
        Yip Kea
        On Goddards blog you get moderated out if you point out surface mass balance of Greenland is a snow that falls less snow that melts .
        The measurement of the ice sheet mass is how much ice there is.
        The problem being with climate change it is melting at the edges quicker than it builds up.
        
        For an ice sheet that neither grows or shrinks, there is at all points averaged over the year a balance between
        
        the amount of snow that falls and is compressed to ice
        the amount of snow and ice that melts or evaporates (sublimates) and
        the amount of ice that flows away due to the ice motion
        
        The two first contributions make up the surface mass balance. For the ice sheet as a whole, there is a balance between the surface mass balance and the amount of ice that calves into the ocean as icebergs.
        
        If climate changes, the surface mass balance may change such that it no longer matches the calving and the ice sheet can start to gain or lose mass. This is important to keep track of, since such a mass loss will lead to global sea level rise. As mentioned, satellites measuring the ice sheet mass have observed a loss of around 200 Gt/year over the last decade.
        
        https://www.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:30pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Citation needed.
        Watts never claimed it would dispute AGW, just that the measurements were inaccurate. He’s been proven right.
        Because of him the Stevenson Screens are being phased out in the US with more accurate stations.
        And if course now they just use Homogenisation to adjust the data.
        Perhaps you should take the time to look at some of the sites he exposed. Who would have thought, a Thermometer in the middle of a car park or at the end of a runway exposed to jet wash gets hot…
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:35pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Plenty of Volcanoes in West Antarctica Peninsula DKhead.
        But hey , change the subject.
        You used to scorn Watts for his Urban Heat Island Research and now you’re a believer.
        Soo funny.
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:38pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Snicker. “Watts” and “Research” in the same sentence…
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:45pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Do fuck off DK.
        
        Watts has never been taken seriously by anyone .
        His paper was trashed by one of the co writers because it was so obviously wrong.
        He did not include the TOB adjustment …….
        The reference network was planed long before Watts starting posting rubbish on his blog
        What makes my laugh is whackos with DK who get all up set about adjustments and jump up and down about the urban heat island effect next comment
        Well DUH…..
        Sound familiar?
        
        Did you understand about Greenland DK?
        Those poor halfwits at Goddards blog did not even know.
        
        By the way DK you still haven’t worked on your self awareness.
        Stalking me to all over the internet.
        What a whacko.
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:47pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hahaaaha
        I can tell by the abuse I’ve touched a nerve eh DKhead. Angry man time lol.
        Oh, and that was Maggy’s post. Not mine. You’re the pathetic stalker with your ‘Denier’ Patrol.
        Sooo funny
        You rubbished Watts for UHI and now you’re a believer. What a hypocrite.
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:54pm
      - realityczech
        
        Griff do your “scientists” have a date for the world ending / climate rapture ?
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:54pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        What the fuck has A Watts got to do with published science on the urban heat island effect DK?
        UHI has been known for three decades or more.
        
        You seem to think Watts is considered a scientist when he is considered nothing but a nut.
        
        Berkley earth revisited the global surface temperature. Watts said he would agree with the result. When the result comes in and confirms global warming.
        
        Watts being a good crank denies it .
        
        The same goes for you of course .
        A year or so ago it was the satellite record RSS is the best .
        Nec minute
        …
        
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        August 20, 2017 9:12pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Changed your tune about UHI now haven’t you LIAR
        ‘Griff
        Bogus You are An idiot…
        A Watts proved that the urban heat island effect is a myth.
        You are in denial
        You are using wing nut blogs to fight against mainstream science
        That is the thinking of a fuckwit
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        Urban Heat Island effect is a myth huh, yet now you say it’s been known for thirty years.
        Tell me DKhead- ever get tired of being made to look stupid.
        Of course not. You’re too stupid to know you are stupid DK…
        
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        August 20, 2017 9:26pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        That it makes any difference to the global record is a myth .
        The entire Idea behind Watts blog was the record is unreliable because of bad station siteing and UHI .
        
        Both are already allowed for .The subject has been a part of the monumental effort over decades trying to get a reliable record.
        You know DK The adjustments you get all upset about from reading WUWTLOL.
        
        Butt hurt wingnuts are so funny.
        Especially one as Butt Hurt as you .
        
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        August 20, 2017 9:46pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Love the denial. You’re the butt hurt one. Bigly.
        But hey, you’re too stupid to know you are stupid. Eh DKhead Stalker
        
        ‘Urban Heat Island effect is a myth’
        ROFLMAO
        
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        August 20, 2017 9:55pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Go All On Red You are winning bigly just like your hero.
        At pigeon chess.
        
        Rampant DK and a Trumpie to boot.
        Sooo cute.
        
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        August 20, 2017 10:00pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ha, you’re the one DESPERATELY trying to change the subject and crapping everywhere. Your lack of self awareness is so……stupid.
        Hey, I reckon ‘loserowndownski’ is one of my favourites.
        Lol
        
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        August 20, 2017 10:09pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You’re an Internet Bully Griff. That’s all you do. Go on this blog and stalk people and abuse them.
        Your behaviour to people is a disgrace. I mean really, abusing an 80yo woman like Maggy?
        Not much of a man are you.
        Frankly you should go and get help. You got some obvious issues.
        
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        August 20, 2017 10:28pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pigeon_chess
        
        ROFLMAO
        Poor little DK…..and hes going all snowflake..
        Need a safe space All On Red ..?
        
        The 80 year old crank ?
        The one who slags off honest scientists , lies about papers, links to whacko rubbish?
        
        Maggy lovey ain’t 80 so it can”t be her .
        
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        August 20, 2017 10:42pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Griff, so you agree with the facts, but think the source of these facts is crap, the link to these facts is crap, and the webshite is, well shite.
        
        Right. Got it.
        
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        August 20, 2017 10:46pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        When the sea level rises, wind erosion decreases. The coral itself continues to grow upwards to match the sea level rise. Because the coral continues to flourish, the flow of sand and rubble onto the atoll continues, and with reduced wind erosion the atoll height increases by the amount of the sea level rise.
        
        The reefs are dying .
        When the reef goes sea level rise will be a moot point.
        https://coralreefwatch.noaa.gov/satellite/analyses_guidance/global_coral_bleaching_2014-17_status.php
        
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        August 20, 2017 11:16pm
- realityczech
  
  Climate hysteria has been discredited. Only the lunatic fringe of the political landscape still try and gain traction with it.
  
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  August 20, 2017 7:46pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    gets traction with the tribal left who think they are smart and educated, but have never opened a book or done any thinking for themselves.
    
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    August 20, 2017 10:36pm
sooty

Angry must be pissed, all of his fabulous policies been aired to a breathles audience by Jacinda!.
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August 20, 2017 6:15pm
RF

Labour has given up on the Christchurch vote…

A taxi driver down there reports many of the old election signs with socialist cindy and Angry are still up in many suburbs…..

Same goes for the Greens with Shaw & Crooked Metiria joint signs.

What a slack arsed bunch…..
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August 20, 2017 6:33pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Same in Hutt South.
  Electoral Commission should be taking action for trying to deliver what’s not on the packaging.
  
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  August 20, 2017 9:16pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f9b_1503069111

Graphic. Aftermath of Attack in Turku, Finland
This is looking like yet another Islamic attack, this time in Turku Finland, cops have shot one attacker after several people were stabbed near a shopping centre and are apparently looking for other attackers.
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August 20, 2017 6:57pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  I’m losing track of them all.
  Somebody with balls needs to stop this tide of shit.
  
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  August 20, 2017 7:14pm
  - Fletch
    
    Might be too late now. They let them all in and now it’s just shooting fish in a barrel.
    
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    August 20, 2017 8:53pm
Monique Watson

The USS McCain has just dropped anchors and launched a whole lot of f16 Fighters. Just Saying.
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August 20, 2017 7:06pm
- rangitoto
  
  Arleigh Burke-class destroyer launching F16’s ?
  
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  August 20, 2017 7:41pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Yes, I wondered that too when I googled, but then concluded Monique is on maybe her third bottle of wine late on Saturday night California time. 😉
    
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    August 20, 2017 7:44pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Kimbo:
      
      This comment wouldn’t happen to explain your interest in Monique’s drinking habits by any chance? Now, if it were Johnboy I could understand, but it’s you old chap!
      
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      August 20, 2017 7:50pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Me too, but even if USS McCain was a carrier it wouldn’t be launching any planes while at anchor. They tend to launch their planes while steaming into the wind.
      Have another one for me Monique.
      
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      August 20, 2017 8:53pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Maybe they are pocket F16s? (Launched using a rubber sling shot.)
    
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    August 20, 2017 7:46pm
- starboard
  
  “Just Saying…Hic”
  
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  August 20, 2017 7:50pm
  - realityczech
    
    Google it “Hic”
    
    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/20/asia/north-korea-south-korea-us-military-drills/index.html
    
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    August 20, 2017 7:55pm
  - stigie
    
    That reminds me, what happened to criko “Hic” ?
    
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    August 20, 2017 8:12pm
    - nasska
      
      Liver failure? 🙂
      
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      August 20, 2017 8:16pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Maybe he accidentally drank the bottle of anti-freeze he kept for poisoning cats.
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:52pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Good question Stigie. The trail ends in September 2015 when he posted a link to an article entitled “Europe Braces For Rape Epidemic From Incoming Migrant Hordes”. He said something else (not sure what) that got DPF’s attention: “[Deleted by DPF as highly defamatory and nasty and that is strike 3 so a week off]”. Cricko hasn’t been back since. He must be busy with his 2 hobbies – poisoning cats and reading gay ads in Craig’s List?
      
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      August 20, 2017 8:16pm
      - mikenmild
        
        He was bereal, wasn’t he?
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:30pm
Nostradamus

Here’s a first-hand report from someone who comments at The Standard:

I witnessed something extraordinary today : Labour had 2800 people at its campaign launch. This is a record-breaking event the Party’s history !
In the past, we think we’ve done well to get 600 to a campaign launch.

Penny (who never misses a profiling opportunity) was there to fundraise for her next overseas trip:

Disclosure: My Party vote is not yet committed – I was invited and am here to listen, (and leaflet, after this event against the privatisation of State housing, in support of directly-affected tenant, Niki Rauti).

It’s strange that Penny’s party vote is “not yet committed”. I’ve noticed a lot of blue in her signage, so perhaps there’s more than a 0.0001% chance that she’ll vote for National.
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August 20, 2017 7:41pm
- mikenmild
  
  This could be critical for the whole election. Penny is capable of getting 3-400 votes in whichever electorate she is campaigning. Naturally, all those lost souls will cast their party votes as Penny directs. Multiply that nationwide and she could bring a solid 0.1% of the vote to the table.
  
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  August 20, 2017 7:56pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Sadly, Mikenmild, Penny’s influence may have waned somewhat. She’s achieved mixed results in 2 general elections and 2 by-elections:
    
    1. March 2011 – Botany by-election – 128 votes
    2. November 2011 – 2011 general election (Epsom) – 124 votes
    3. September 2014 – 2014 general election (Helensville) – 420 votes
    4. February 2017 – Mt Albert by-election – 139 votes
    5. September 2017 – 2014 general election (Tamaki) – [to be determined]
    
    Trying the same thing over and over and getting the same result must be frustrating. But she was invited to attend a very important conference in The Hague, because she completed a multiple choice questionnaire on rule of law and corruption, so maybe things will be different this year? Note I said “different” – not “better” – her 420 votes in the 2014 general election may turn out to be the high watermark in her political career!
    
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    August 20, 2017 8:06pm
    - mikenmild
      
      You omitted her strong showing in last year’s mayoral election – 7,022 votes (1.77%) for a solid sixth place.
      Think about that – 7,000 people were so concerned about Auckland that they thought Penny Bright would be the answer. And those are just the tip of the iceberg – many more would have voted for her but were unable to locate a polling booth or fill out the ballot form.
      
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      August 20, 2017 8:17pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Politics is a tough business, Mikenmild. Labour has selected Sam McDonald as its Tamaki candidate, so there’s no room for Penny. Sam seems to have good credentials:
        
        Sam grew up in Auckland and lives in the Tāmaki electorate.
        …
        He works with young people in a community ambassador role, speaking to high school students about the benefits of tertiary study, building on his long involvement in youth initiatives.
        …
        Sam, 27, attended St Peter’s College where he was Deputy Head Boy, and the University of Auckland where he completed a Bachelor of Arts majoring in History and Politics, an LLB and a Diploma in Secondary Teaching.
        
        I know Sam’s experience as “Deputy Head Boy” at a private school will get Nasska’s attention, but this guy’s product offering seems slightly more diverse than Penny’s one-trick portfolio.
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:26pm
      - mikenmild
        
        St Peter’s is an ‘integrated’ state school, part of the Catholic scam to extract state funding for their weird religion.
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:32pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        St Peter’s is an ‘integrated’ state school
        
        Oops – thanks for the correction!
        
        By the way, National’s candidate (Simon O’Connor) is an interesting guy:
        
        Simon was educated at the University of Auckland, and also trained to become a Catholic priest. Though he completed his training, he did not seek ordination. Instead, he sought wider involvement in the community to make a practical, hands-on difference.
        
        I wonder what Nasska has to say about this?
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:34pm
      - nasska
        
        I’m certain that his time as an altar boy will have prepared him well for a career in politics.
        
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        August 20, 2017 8:40pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    MM are you saying a Penny Bright Party may even do better than the Conservatives?
    
    The PBP party could be more influential than even invalid and blank .
    
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    August 20, 2017 8:08pm
  - nasska
    
    Cindy should snap her up as a candidate Mike. 🙂
    
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    August 20, 2017 8:11pm
stigie

Is there a party a Penny’s place, i’ll bring water..?
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August 20, 2017 8:15pm
- nasska
  
  And a scrubbing brush.
  
  Dear God……by now the place must stink like a piss stained mattress! 🙂
  
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  August 20, 2017 8:20pm
realityczech

The mule toothed one needs to speak to her comrade.

CNN- North Korea warned Sunday that the upcoming US-South Korea military exercises are “reckless behavior driving the situation into the uncontrollable phase of a nuclear war.”

State media reported that leader Kim Jong Un would assess the US’ next move before giving launch orders.
Kim would “watch a little more the foolish and stupid conduct of the Yankees,” a North Korean statement said last week.
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August 20, 2017 8:20pm
- Surely Knott
  
  I think the North Korea situation could be good for National and Bill’s “safe pair of hands ” and “older and wiser dad ” vibe . Jacinda’s gal pal, cool dance parties, climate change, new idea fashion spread approach isn’t going to be as appealing if the problem of the day becomesa cuban missile crisis type stand off.
  
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  August 21, 2017 11:18am
nasska

The terror alert level in Spain has been raised from Tea Light to Scented Candle.
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August 20, 2017 9:22pm
Longknives

“..part of the Catholic scam to extract state funding for their weird religion”

Ha Ha- Mikenmild is the staunchest defender of Islam on Kiwiblog yet he never misses an opportunity to have a cheap crack at Christians!
The Left personified..
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August 20, 2017 9:26pm
- mikenmild
  
  Citation please, for anytime when I have been a ‘defender’ of any religion.
  This might help you understand:
  http://www.jesusandmo.net/comic/think2/
  
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  August 21, 2017 6:53am
marleybob

Winston raising the minimum wage. Its going to get a lot of people who currently pay zero tax to contribute, will it.
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August 20, 2017 9:35pm
Monique Watson

Excuse me Kimbo. Am officially off the wine and on the gin.With Hubby’s permission as long as I suffer the hangover tomorrow, and don’t create trouble overnight.
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August 20, 2017 9:57pm
- Kimbo
  
  Please accept my apology as sufficient recompense for defaming your reputation.
  
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  August 20, 2017 11:36pm
Monique Watson

Apology accepted. Now mixing the Gin with Apple Juice (because it’s almost 8am) and googling Gorilla Drunk Memes.
Every party must come to an end.
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