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virtualmark

For those who’ve read Michael Lewis’ books (Moneyball, The Big Short, Liar’s Poker etc) here’s his latest piece, on nuclear risks. Well worth reading.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/department-of-energy-risks-michael-lewis
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August 19, 2017 8:04am
Paulus

Now we now who is running the Labour Party.
Helen Clark is back with vengeance.
She is keynote speaker at the launch on Sunday and has already made speeches in favour of her protegee Jacinda.
I thought at the time when Andy got back from Auckland to announce his departure that he had been to see Clark and she told him to sling his hook.
And that Jacinda was to be leader – assisted by Machiavelli Grant Robertson.
The three together again – where is Simpson in all this ? Lurking somewhere close by I expect.
Clark never liked the Unionists anyway and would have been appalled by the leadership system union changes so she and Robertson knew when to attack Andy and the unionists.
Jacinda’s new man Mike Monroe is a great associate of Clarks and she drafted him to take charge.
So now we know who is in charge.
The She Beast is back with nothing to do but carry on her left wing feminist movement, and Jacinda is her tool with Robertson behind Clark.
Watch this space.
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August 19, 2017 8:12am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And the dopey voters look like they’re happy to lap this shit up. There needs to be a big reawakening in the next four weeks or our wonderful country is fucked.
  TWO TICKS BLUE !!!
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:15am
  - PhilBest
    
    Your idol John Key and his loyal team just presided over 8 years of affirmation of Hulun’s program for NZ – and you’ve got the chutzpah to express horror about the return of Hulun, to restart where she left off?
    
    Hint: a bit of courageous reform, and undoing certain elements of the program, and making a principled argument to the public, might have meant that the next phase of the left’s program would have had to start from somewhere a bit further back. Do none of you National establishment droids understand this????
    
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    August 19, 2017 8:25am
    - nasska
      
      ….”the next phase of the left’s program would have had to start from somewhere a bit further back.”…..
      
      It would have started a bit earlier too……like about 2011.
      
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      August 19, 2017 8:32am
      - PhilBest
        
        Perhaps, but there would be a battle of ideas taking place, and regular see-sawing back and forth at the very least; and you might just convince enough of the people you are doing the right thing, to stay in power after all. I fail to see why rubber-stamping your political enemy’s entire program “to date” just so you can have a longer term one-off, is a superior strategy. Now there is a whole new generation who isn’t even aware of the existence of political ideas other than where Helen ratcheted the “norms” to – and crucial points that were “accepted wisdom” in 2002, now make you a fringe extremist. For example, the facts about the Treaty of Waitangi (see David Lange’s 2002 speech on it) versus the Orwellian Waitangi Tribunal’s revisionist version.
        
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        August 19, 2017 8:46am
      - marcw
        
        I think possibly the best strategy would be to get the economy back into surplus (tick), then to manage our future with options to help the most deserving citizens, while encouraging the most supportive (employers and taxpayers). Apparently some people think this could all have been achieved at once, in spite of GFC’s, natural disasters, and juvenile MSM commentary.
        
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        August 19, 2017 9:36am
    - ldypen
      
      Scary thing is this is exactly whats a lot of middle of the road NZ’rs are probably thinking, discussions around our office and lunch rooms are that English is weak, National didn’t do what most expected.. the issues started to slowly set in after the referendum on the anti smacking law, yes thats years ago but National should have listened, then we had the RMA reforms.. complete failure. What is also quite obvious at the moment is that the Nats have no big hit policies, looks like the opposition are doing a “Key” and starting to be the fresh ideas parties… we’ve now gone from a smile and wave situation to a big (really big) toothy smile situation and National might not have the answer to stop whats happening!
      so…. two blue ticks means nothing but the same BUT surely thats better that the other outcome?
      
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      August 19, 2017 10:21am
    - PhilBest
      
      Even Tracey Watkins is now saying that National may regret:
      
      – Not taking enough risks
      – Ignoring the mood for change
      – Denying the housing crisis for too long
      
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      August 19, 2017 6:15pm
  - Gabby
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    TULIXPU !!! !!! !!! !!!
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:42am
    - Paulus
      
      What does TULIXPU stand for please – some of us remain in ignorance.
      
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      August 19, 2017 1:34pm
      - GazzaW
        
        We think it must be a symptom of Gabby’s fascination with coprophagia.
        
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        August 19, 2017 2:55pm
  - KevOB
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    August 19, 2017 11:50am
    - Gabby
      
      Tulixpu
      
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      August 19, 2017 1:11pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Does Tu know that you think that?
        
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        August 19, 2017 2:24pm
- mikenmild
  
  Careful, Keeping Stock is around this morning, and he is very disapproving of terms like ‘she beast’.
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:18am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Thanks for drawing my attention to that mikenmild. I’m actually trying to be on holiday, so I’m glad you’re going to be the hall monitor in my absence ?
    
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    August 19, 2017 8:31am
    - mikenmild
      
      I don’t actually care what names are flung around in comments on a blog, but I always enjoy hypocrisy.
      
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      August 19, 2017 8:35am
      - JasonJohns
        
        Some people object to cuck, but it’s a scientific term.
        
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        August 19, 2017 8:59am
      - Gabby
        
        cuck soccer jizzyjocks.
        
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        August 19, 2017 9:43am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I can’t wait to see a Tom Scott cartoon showing Jacinderella as a dancing puppet with the she-beast hanging over her pulling the strings.
  Bet it won’t happen.
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:19am
  - SGA
    
    Oh no, Kiwiblog’s resident cartoonist might be reading that…
    
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    August 19, 2017 8:24am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  But but but Cindy said that Clark was not advising her – Clark was in Europe. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell to you
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:41am
  - PhilBest
    
    They can’t be using email, can they, because that might get hacked and the NZ MSM might publish some “investigative journalism” about the findings (and I too have a bridge for sale).
    
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    August 19, 2017 8:49am
  - GazzaW
    
    The last time I heard they are still getting cellphone reception in Europe Steve.
    
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    August 19, 2017 11:52am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Yep, and denial is a river in Africa
      
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      August 19, 2017 6:48pm
- Inandout
  
  Bringing back the nightmares in the form of Helen Clark may be an unwise move. There are still many voters who remember her Stalinist ways.
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:52am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    If voters think Jacinda will be like Helen, she is likely to get in. Most voters thought Helen was OK. She was seen as safe and reliable. And not s Stalinist! She was not a crazy leftist revolutionary, such as Chris Trotter would dearly loved to have.
    On the other hand if voters think Jacinda is more like the Alliance, she won’t get there. Too radical for most tastes.
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:14am
    - PhilBest
      
      “If voters think Jacinda will be like Helen, she is likely to get in.”
      
      Yes. I agree, even though I don’t like it, and I like even less, National’s 3 terms of endorsement of Kiwis love for Helen. Wayne Mapp is both a “pragmatist”, and not “in denial” like many KB-ers.
      
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      August 19, 2017 9:24am
    - Gabby
      
      Trotsker wants a crazy leftist revolutionary with a soft spot for classics quoting sybarites.
      
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      August 19, 2017 9:48am
      - ztev
        
        Trotter is like a restaurant critic who doesnt like food- there is always something wrong with it. But remembers the good old days when you grew your own
        
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        August 19, 2017 1:01pm
    - KevOB
      
      J A will be tested. The country will see to that. She has already mentioned risk of anxiety. The worst is yet come. HC will not help putting expectations on her.
      
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      August 19, 2017 11:55am
- Huevon
  
  New Zealanders want a mother to take care of them.
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:18am
  - Gabby
    
    Nats want a Mrs Crawley hoover.
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:49am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    She-Beast isn’t a mother, neither is Jacindirella.
    
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    August 19, 2017 10:54am
- waikatogirl
  
  H1, the Puppet Master ?
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:59am
- realityczech
  
  “her left wing feminist movement,”
  
  Exactly. Look behind all their policies and you will see they either marginalise men and their endeavors (eg farming) or give more money and rights to women (eg child poverty = benefits for women)
  
  Under Labour all men will be assumed guilty of rape unless they can prove in court they are not.
  
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  August 19, 2017 3:28pm
Southern Raider

So Labour puts out a statement that the media runs with about how they have meet with Irrigation NZ around water tax and everyone is on the same

Except Irrigation NZ never said what Labour published
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August 19, 2017 8:16am
Keeping Stock

My wife and I climbed upon the big silver birdie last night for an island getaway and much needed break. Unfortunately the big silver birdie had other ideas, and we’re back in Auckland after a lovely scenic flight. A weather radar malfunction meant the plane had to turn around. We’ll try again tonight.

But kudos to the staff at Air New Zealand, both in the air and on the ground. The hotel they booked for us is very pleasant, breakfast and lunch today are on them, and their patience and courtesy were absolutely first class, so a big thank you to them.
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August 19, 2017 8:17am
- ztev
  
  Islands ? You do know there is a nasty mosquito virus around those places.
  dengue fever isnt a nice thing to catch and has gone from being prevalent in asia to the pacific islands as well:
  Sudden, high fever
  Severe headaches
  Pain behind the eyes
  Severe joint and muscle pain
  Fatigue
  Nausea
  Vomiting
  Skin rash, which appears two to five days after the onset of fever
  Mild bleeding (such a nose bleed, bleeding gums, or easy bruising)
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:59am
  - Huevon
    
    You must be great fun at parties.
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:20am
    - Chris R
      
      The Party he’s describing is the Labour Party, so yes, he’ll be great fun there…until 23rd September!
      
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      August 19, 2017 9:41am
  - cha
    
    Severe joint and muscle pain
    
    aka break bone fever
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:54am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I feel like that most mornings ztev!
    
    There is one problem though. We had to hand our duty free booze back unopened, although we will get it back once we have cleared security this afternoon. But there’ll be one less day to drink the excellent Japanese whisky purchased yesterday, and the bottle of port for SWMBO. I’ll just have to pour more generous portions! Any mozzie that bites us is likely to perish of alcohol poisoning ?
    
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    August 19, 2017 11:22am
    - calendar girl
      
      Japanese “whisky”? Some Scots I know might seek to have that spelled with an ‘e’.
      
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      August 19, 2017 4:52pm
  - softail 1450
    
    we will all have those symptoms if labour and the greens take control of our country,and some that will be even worse,,,,
    
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    August 19, 2017 12:43pm
  - Viking2
    
    Yep and decided I didn’t need that stuff. Looked at Northern Queensland. 3 hours to the airport, 3 hours to wait for the plane. 5 hours if direct but 11 hours of I had to go thru Brisbane. Decided to take the caravan and visit some hot pools about 2 hours away, no stress, not quite as warm but hell of a lot more relaxing. The sun even came out.
    Saved a shit load of time and money.
    recommend it.
    Lots of others doing the same. Campers and caravans everywhere. Meet some interesting people.
    
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    August 19, 2017 3:09pm
- pdm
  
  Inv – check the water levels (sea) at the Island when you arrive and when you leave so that you can report back to us on the effects of climate change.
  
  ps make sure the island you are on has a high hill so that you two can take refuge in case sea levels rise even quicker than the alarmists are predicting.
  
  Otherwise enjoy the break.
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:31am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Cheers Pam; will do.
    
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    August 19, 2017 11:24am
    - pdm
      
      Hi Inv – I am not Caitlyn Jenner and have not had a sex change lol.
      
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      August 19, 2017 11:27am
  - Paulus
    
    Careful what water you pass through your kidney’s first though.
    Outcome should equal income remember.
    
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    August 19, 2017 1:36pm
Southern Raider

Can someone explain to me how
– using waters bares any relation to creating water pollution
– how water users are the ones solely responsible for water pollution
– how some water users in clean water areas will be levied and the money will go to provinces at the over end of the country
– why Labour thinks giving part of the water levy to Iwi is not determining water ownership and is just a minor issue
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August 19, 2017 8:19am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Mr Parker?
  
  Care to comment Mr Parker?
  
  Thought not.
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:43am
- PhilBest
  
  Opening cans of worms regarding Iwi rackets, is not unique to Labour. This is part of the argument I am raising – where do you expect “the left of centre” to try to take the country when they get a chance, when you don’t set a counter-example yourself when you have the chance?
  
  On recent trajectory of NZ political history, sometime in the next decade, National will either be “not repealing” the water tax, or will be passing it into law – with generous open-ended provisions for Iwi legal adventurism! Remember their “principled opposition” to WFF, to the anti-smacking law, to the global warming racket, to Council Planning and the 2002-2008 housing bubble, to funding Len’s Train Set, to the sabotage of regional mining or forestry based economies, to the abolition of the Air Force, and of course to the “Iwi versus Kiwi” racket…..?
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:57am
- ztev
  
  Water cant be teleported into outer space, like in the home what comes out the tap then goes down the drain.
  Or diary farming is used to wash down the yards or is stock drinking troughs which they then pass back to the soil with excess nutrients from their bodies.
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:02am
  - holysheet
    
    The washdown water goes into settling ponds. Usually 2 sometimes 3. From here the water is drained off into the drains. There are all sorts of fancy nutrient extraction plants being installed on farms nowadays.
    
    I remember a farmer whose farm was next to the Waipa river. The experts made him spend thousands of dollars on a new effluent system. It was to be situated below his cowshed and above the river. The farmer tried to tell them that it was in the wrong place but they knew best. The farmer had to do what they said of course. The next time the Waipa flooded, the effluent pond was completely washed out. Need less to say the farmer never told the experts, and it still happens today. When townies try and impose their very limited knowledge about someone elses business especially farmers, who knows what will happen.
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:19am
    - ztev
      
      Nonsense story. Council rules, which there would be many , would place these away from the river flood plain.
      Farmers would engage experts to work all this out, they dont just get a bulldozer in to dig a hole.
      
      The idea that council busybodys will say do it this way is from someone who has never dealt with them. They will instead get you to decide and pick holes in your choices
      
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      August 19, 2017 12:53pm
    - softail 1450
      
      unfortunately the cow is only in the shed for a short time the other 23 hrs is spent shitting and pissing on open pasture which of course always eventually ends up in the rivers or in underground aquifers .approximately 5 million dairy cows excreting 10kg each a day is 50,000 tons of shit and piss every day going on to our landscape ,doesn’t sound “100% green” to me.
      
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      August 19, 2017 1:00pm
      - KevOB
        
        In the days when night soil was collected that went into our landscapes too. It was a staple of our market gardens.
        
        Bacteria and other organisms, some you can even see, process cow dung for food which in turn provides nutrients for plants. Even the water is recycled.
        
        Your might find looking at pasture under a microscope quite frightening.
        
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        August 19, 2017 2:21pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    ztev is into diary farming. He’s growing little books with calenderised pages.
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:22am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Dairy farmers aren’t the only ones who use water dickhead
    
    How does an orchardist or vineyard contribute to water pollution?
    
    Do they wash shit down the drain or are you just full of shit
    
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    August 19, 2017 10:12am
    - ztev
      
      Then they dont pay as much then.
      But are you saying vineyards dont use fertilisers which are then taken down into water table by irrigation or even fertilsers added to the irrigation water
      
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      August 19, 2017 12:49pm
PhilBest

James Delingpole does a fascinating interview of James Lovelock this week.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/18/delingpole-renewable-energy-is-a-corrupt-scam-go-nuclear-says-green-guru-james-lovelock/

The whole thing is worth a listen – with Delingpole’s interviews, you can listen and download for free in the first few days, then they go onto I-Tunes.

http://www.breitbart.com/podcasts/james-delingpole/

What I found interesting is although James Lovelock has been a bit of a Greenie icon for some of his life, he has always refused to go along with political correctness and malfeasance in science. He is opposed to the dishonesty in the IPCC and the CAGW alarmist cabal even though he has been considered “one of the alarmists” himself (but he can have a perfectly respectful discussion with James Delingpole on what he does believe).

He has in more recent years been completely non-personed by the PC left, and they spitefully say he has lost his marbles in old age – but this interview shows him to be as sharp as a tack. At 98!
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August 19, 2017 8:21am
starboard

” ere, ere, Brucee ”

RIP Bruce Forsyth. I used to lust after his wife who also worked on The Generation Game.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/95946430/british-king-of-gameshows-sir-bruce-forsyth-dies-aged-89
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August 19, 2017 8:21am
- Keeping Stock
  
  “What’s on the board Miss Ford?”
  
  RIP Brucie ?
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:29am
- Swifty
  
  “Anthea, Anthea….give us a twirl….”
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:46am
- Kimbo
  
  “cuddly toy”.
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:15am
starboard

Hurry up Hugh, I want to be the first to downtick you today.
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August 19, 2017 8:25am
- PhilBest
  
  Can I do a comment on what I think of the housing insanity in NZ, by way of a surrogate, for you to satisfy your downticking urge?
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:28am
  - starboard
    
    Please do sir
    
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    August 19, 2017 8:42am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Please use something that you posted before, as recently as yesterday is fine.
    
    Please make extensive use of someone else’s material and apply volumes of ‘copy and paste’
    
    Please use hyperlinks, most important.
    
    Please repeat yourself
    
    Please repeat yourself.
    
    Please foxtrot oscar
    
    Said in a caring way
    
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    August 19, 2017 8:48am
SGA

So Steve Bannon’s gone now. Even the most diehard Trump supporters must be wondering what’s happening in Camelot (or Mordor, depending on your perspective).
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August 19, 2017 8:28am
- mikenmild
  
  Don’t worry, one of the hardcore Trumpistas will be along shortly to explain how firing Bannon is all part of ‘draining the swamp’.
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:30am
- PhilBest
  
  Is that true? Bugger, nothing suggests the swamp might be winning, more than that.
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:33am
  - JasonJohns
    
    No. Trump is right. He doesn’t make mistakes.
    
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    August 19, 2017 8:43am
  - Ross12
    
    That was my first reaction Phil but Bannon has had a long meeting with the Mercers earlier in the week. I think he has probably felt like he was in a straight jacket being in the WH and this move is as much his idea as anyone else’s. He now says he is going “to war” for Trump and is hoping he can be more effective outside the tent than inside.
    With this administration the DC rules have changed ( they have had to if Trump wants achieve the draining of the swamp objective). But also the rules have changed with the opposition and the MSM so it everyone has to be flexible.
    
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    August 19, 2017 10:22am
    - PhilBest
      
      Hmmm, thanks for the silver lining. That’s interesting that Bannon and the Mercers might be hatching something further to utilise Bannon’s talents elsewhere.
      
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      August 19, 2017 6:01pm
- virtualmark
  
  The problem in the White House isn’t Steve Bannon … there’s a phrase about deckchairs but I just can’t remember exactly how it goes.
  
  (Uptick for the funny Mordor reference my precious)
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:37am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Trump is pivoting to the center. He is going to Key the Democratics.
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:14am
- EAD_TWO
  
  I see extreme left Jewish owned and edited Huffington Post couldn’t resist a “Goodbye Goyim” post with Steve Bannons departure:
  
  https://mobile.twitter.com/lpolgreen/status/898593716922929152
  
  Just thinking that this post must make no sense if you’ve been programmed to frame every issue as “right vs. left” in a world of “radical individualism”.
  
  HINT: Most of the world is, was and will continue to see the world through a tribal/group lens….
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:44am
  - mikenmild
    
    C’mon EAD, isn’t about time you outlined what you modern national socialists would do to solve the Jewish problem?
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:47am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      3 mins Milkmaid – what took ya so long ?
      
      You’re an example to us all – you’re busier in your “retirement” then you were before you decided to pack it all in.
      
      But seriously, what’s your view on the HuffPo saying good riddance to the Goyim?
      
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      August 19, 2017 9:52am
      - mikenmild
        
        Oh no, it’s not going to work that way. I answered your question about Stalin’s Jewish henchman the other day, so you don’t get any more answers from me till you detail your solution to the Jewish problem.
        
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        August 19, 2017 11:12am
      - starboard
        
        Oh go on, don’t be a cad, we hang on your every word.
        
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        August 19, 2017 12:07pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    Funny how a white European can be anywhere on the political spectrum but according to you and your fellow Nazis all Jews are Marxists
    
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    August 19, 2017 10:15am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      You know Southern Raider – the “political spectrum” is only a term and point of view that got used to install and explain “democracy” (easier to buy and control both sides then be subject to a Kings whims) after the eternal revolutionaries overthrew the French Monarchy.
      
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      August 19, 2017 10:20am
- holysheet
  
  It’s not all bad, Trump is looking after the US economy.
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40982025
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:56am
Southern Raider

Another day another article from Tracey Watkins talking National down and gushing about Jacinda
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August 19, 2017 8:35am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I just loved your suprise in that post!
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:50am
  - ztev
    
    Well thats what they did for years when Key was Opposition leader.
    But seriously its election time.
    ALL the party leaders get plenty of face time in the media. For Metiria that extra attention was all too much…
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:04am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      And you believe that about MT?
      
      Nothing to do with standing too close to the fire?
      
      Nothing to do with being caught out lying?
      
      Nothing to do with being a common garden benefit fraudster?
      
      Nothing she didn’t bring upon herself and immediate family?
      
      Nothing about her personal choices, her credibility, her integrity, her lies?
      
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      August 19, 2017 9:13am
    - Southern Raider
      
      Obviously your not a stats man
      
      Herald, Stuff, RNZ and other outlets are running 20 stories on Jacinda for every one on another party. All are gushing over Jacinda and negative against National
      
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      August 19, 2017 10:06am
      - jcuk
        
        The media merely reflect what their readers want/like and National has its ideological blinkers firmly in place. It is shame that economically wise people can be so dumb about social issues.
        
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        August 19, 2017 10:42am
      - softail 1450
        
        and if it keeps up another 5 weeks we will have the nightmare of a labour party govt headed by Dracula Clarke again,,,,
        
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        August 19, 2017 1:27pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Metiria’s problem wasn’t the media attention ztev. Metiria’s problem was that she admitted past dishonesty without even a hint of remorse, and all the anarchists, feminists and socialists in the Greens backed her to the hilt. A little humility and better leadership from Shaw might have saved the Greens.
      
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      August 19, 2017 11:28am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        I think if she had come clean about (media rumours suggest); receiving $80k from father+his family, living with her mother, possibly living with father of baby + then possibly living with her current husband while not declaring who father was and claiming DPB, possibly electoral fraud, undeclared income from rent (lying to WINZ/IRD), all while possibly having all her course costs covered by govt through her excessive period at uni? She would still have rightfully earned the ire of most voters. We will have to see what happens when/if she is prosecuted.
        
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        August 19, 2017 4:40pm
starboard

You should have listened to the people, but no, arrogance reigns supreme with you lot.
Couple of things off the top of my head.

Why is Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari still here? Fail
Why have you bent over so far for maori, it’s appalling! Fail

You deserve to be biffed out just on those 2 alone.
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August 19, 2017 8:36am
- lifesgood
  
  Aha! So you think labour won’t bend over for Maori, do you? Ha ha ha ha. Look at the water tax for a start. How in God’s name Maori have any right to water that falls from the sky is beyond me.
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:43am
  - starboard
    
    Oh no no no. I fully expect mouldy to retain their royalty and god like status when liarbor get in, my annoyance is with National and the way they have, shall we say, lost their compass. They don’t call them Labour Lite for nothing. I will give Nats one bouquet, they do know how to run the economy.
    Shame it’s going to be all pissed up against a wall.
    
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    August 19, 2017 8:50am
    - PhilBest
      
      I agree with your broad argument, it is sorely needed, but I don’t even believe that about “running the economy”. Michael Cullen “ran surpluses” didn’t he? OK, no-one understands better than I do, that that was based on a bubble economy and doesn’t count. But I also see 2008 onwards as just more of the same. Growth and productivity, in real terms, have been pathetic. If you netted out the immigration, aggregate growth would be pathetic. If you netted out the longer hours worked, it would be even more pathetic. If you netted out the debt-based, equity-withdrawal consumption spending using Ponzi house price inflation as the collateral, we would be going backwards.
      
      If National have been good economic managers, so was Michael Cullen. You can’t have it both ways.
      
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      August 19, 2017 9:04am
      - starboard
        
        Yes but then Cullen wasted it all by greasing hands and buying train sets. Left the cupboard empty.
        My hard earned money just biffed away. Cullen should have been hung for that.
        
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        August 19, 2017 9:23am
      - PhilBest
        
        “Yes but then Cullen wasted it all by greasing hands and buying train sets. Left the cupboard empty.”
        
        True, but what has National then done with the status quo handed to them by Cullen? What have they done with the train set? Made sure it wasn’t going to be a fiscal millstone round their necks? Hahaha. Cullen won that one.
        
        The left’s generals are often actually good at political war, pity the centre-right isn’t.
        
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        August 19, 2017 9:30am
    - Happychappy
      
      Well that shows you picked the right Party to vote for then as Winston First acts like a spoil’t kid and throws his toys out of the cot when things don’t go his way just like you are doing now, I think the saying goes cut your nose off to spite your face.
      
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      August 19, 2017 9:12am
    - softail 1450
      
      per capita we are as indebted as the good people of the usa .
      
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      August 19, 2017 1:31pm
kowtow

Where will it end ?

‘Transit officials have decided to alter subway station tiles that have a cross-like design similar to that of the Confederate flag……”These are not confederate flags” Ortiz said. The red, white and blue tiles installed decades ago are “based on geometric forms that represent the ’Crossroads of the World,’” he added.’

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/18/new-york-subway-tiles-look-like-confederate-flags-altered/
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August 19, 2017 8:39am
JasonJohns

Another day, another huge win for Trump. He’s sacked Bannon, who had gone cuck. Trump has no time for cucks. He’s ruthless. He’s playing five dimensional chess and winning before the other players can even move a pawn. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/18/steve-bannon-out-at-white-house.html
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August 19, 2017 8:40am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Thats what a win looks like? So, he hand picks people…and then sacks them within weeks. A win.
  
  Thats not 5 dimensional, thats dropping all of the cards you just took out of the packet.
  
  Hes not ruthless, hes shit at picking people. No wonder hes good at firing, he has to do a lot of it. Or maybe, they are good people and hes shit at leading? Either way, the man is a joke. I dont buy into the whole left media “eeeee, he didn’t condemn this particular group so hes bad” bullshit, but hes fucked up, he really is.
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:52am
  - jms
    
    JasonJohns is taking the piss. Somebody pointed that out to me a couple of months back when I responded to him.
    
    I have to admit the quality of his trolling is improving.
    
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    August 19, 2017 8:58am
    - mikenmild
      
      There is an artistry to the combined trolling from the Kea stable (JasonJohns, realityczech, RodneyRandall, etc) that has to be admired.
      At it’s best, it is a beautiful expression of Poe’s Law and it is no surprise that many of the resident nutjobs take it at face value.
      
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      August 19, 2017 9:03am
      - PhilBest
        
        I believe Rodney at least, is sincere. What suggests to me that he is very much his own man, is that he gets it about house prices and urban planning, supports Hugh’s general argument and endures the downticking for it. This issue is more complex than anything a troll would normally bother with.
        
        I haven’t had a continuous enough acquaintance with KB, to understand the suggested Kea / RealityCzech / Jason Johns nexus.
        
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        August 19, 2017 9:08am
      - JasonJohns
        
        I admire Rodney Randall’s contributions. He is a master.
        
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        August 19, 2017 9:16am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Kea stable (JasonJohns, realityczech, RodneyRandall, etc)
        
        Might be time to trot along to SpecSavers…..
        
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        August 19, 2017 11:00am
      - itstricky
        
        I believe Rodney at least, is sincere.
        
        Usually comments within minutes of JasonJohns, says words “straight out of Jason’s mouth”, and has a similar style alliteration name (JJ & RR). Unlikely.
        
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        August 19, 2017 3:21pm
      - itstricky
        
        I admire Rodney Randall’s contributions. He is a master
        
        And there’s the final piece of the puzzle.
        
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        August 19, 2017 3:22pm
      - realityczech
        
        He who cries troll has lost milky. I you had a reasoned argument you would use it.
        
        Poor limited milky. He just ain’t too bright.
        
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        August 19, 2017 5:12pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    No he keeps winning. He picks people knowing he’ll drop them soon. it’s called strategy. See my comment below about extracting juices.
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:02am
    - ztev
      
      Is that how Trump went bankrupt so many times ?
      
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      August 19, 2017 9:06am
      - JasonJohns
        
        FAKE NEWS
        
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        August 19, 2017 9:21am
    - PhilBest
      
      Jason, tell us how much you admire (or not) “Godfrey Elfwick”, and what you thought of Twitter banning him?
      
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      August 19, 2017 10:05am
- Inandout
  
  General Kelly did not pick Bannon and it looks like Steve may not fit the ‘absolute trust’ culture that Kelly was tasked to create. Bannon also publicly contradicted Trump’s North Korean policy. Yes I know it looks like our Labour Party leadership changes, but this is politics after all.
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:03am
  - ztev
    
    Nationals leadership changes from election 99 to election 2008
    Four
    
    Labour – 5 , excluding HC as she resigned the night of the election loss
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:08am
    - Inandout
      
      The 80’s to date were far more fluid.
      
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      August 19, 2017 9:21am
    - Paulus
      
      But if Cinderella gets to become Prime Minister at 37 years old she could be well the longest serving Prime Minister another 30 years.
      
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      August 19, 2017 1:42pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Trump is pivoting to the center. The Democrats are in grave danger.
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:20am
- Gabby
  
  Cuck soccer jizzyjocks.
  
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  August 19, 2017 10:05am
  - softail 1450
    
    WTF ????
    
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    August 19, 2017 1:40pm
Monique Watson

Be nice if there was a right wing political party in play to boot the fools and sycophants.
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August 19, 2017 8:41am
- JasonJohns
  
  We have 2 alt right organisations trying to advance their agendas monique…right wing resistance and the national ppurification league…
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:48am
jms

It’s impossible to read this without bursting out in laughter:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/337513/mob-members-criticise-police-search-efforts
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August 19, 2017 8:42am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  That is funny, the bastards contribute NOTHING to society and complain that the police chased the ‘brothers’ into the forest ‘just for a car’
  
  Not their car by the way, just some some suffering sap of a taxpayers.
  
  Police only turn up to search on ‘sunny’ days
  
  The truth will out; police found the scum in the first five minutes and just left them there!
  
  Well, I would have, ☺
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:00am
  - lifesgood
    
    And the police are going out to hunt for them again today saying they want to bring them home to their whanau. Why?
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:49am
- Swifty
  
  What a joke these guys are.
  
  They call themselves gangsters and ‘outlaws’ and go on about how proud and staunch they are…
  
  But when they’re injured they are the first to call an ambulance, or turn up at a hospital. When they’re without funds, they’re the first to front up to WINZ, when they’re kicked out of their rental they’re on the front page of the paper demanding we give them a home…..
  
  Children, the lot of them. Babies.
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:04am
  - jms
    
    This bit was very emotional:
    
    “Our brother could be lying somewhere dead. They chased them into the bush for a car. A car is something they can replace, you know. Our brother’s life is not.”
    
    The good news here is the only thing worth replacing, can be.
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:10am
    - Swifty
      
      My thoughts are with the car.
      
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      August 19, 2017 9:33am
  - PhilBest
    
    Even in their lives of crime, welfare is an essential “retainer” to tide them over times when takings are down. You might even suspect that if we took the retainer away, they’d be rendered helpless!
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:12am
  - VicParking
    
    Load as many of them into a copter and drop them into the middle of the bush to allow them to search.
    “Leave markers and we will pick you up at Xmas”
    
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    August 19, 2017 10:38am
- Inandout
  
  The missing Mongrels apparently left ‘markers’ to alert searchers to their route (according to gangers). So were the Police supposed to look for Mongrel turds?
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:07am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  If those two morons pictured are anything to go by I’m amazed that the problem hasn’t escalated.
  Who goes into the bush in shorts and sneakers?
  More home delivery for the feral pigs.
  
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  August 19, 2017 10:22am
MrTips

See a “foreigner” had a go in Turku, Finland as well last night. Lived in Finland, they are as bad as the Swedes for the finger in the ear self denial.

And I see the Barca folk have held hands and sung John Lennon’s North Korean national anthem…..again. yeah that’ll work….. they’ve forgotten their heritage and faith that kicked out the Caliphate last time.
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August 19, 2017 8:43am
- PhilBest
  
  Excellent historical allusion there. Islam as a “religion of peace” is based on historical forgetfulness about things like the Muslim conquest of Spain and invasion of Western Europe, 400 years before any Christians thought about a “Crusade” (which might just have been a defensive reaction).
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:15am
  - Kimbo
    
    As soon as religion is dragged into war aims/propaganda, it invariably over-excites the protagonists, heightens the likelihood of war crimes, perverts the religion, and expands the number of enemies.
    
    Hence the crusades soon ended up targeting other Christians (slaughter of Christians by the crusaders during the sack of Jerusalem in 1099, and the 1204 sack of Constantinople), alleged heretics (the Katharoi/Albigensians in 1209)…and Jews, both with the first crusade massacring thousands on its long, eventful and shambling travel across Europe, and also the expulsion of all Jews from Spain as soon as the Moors had been kicked out in 1492.
    
    Plus jihadist radicals already (wrongly) conceptualise their fight as a war against crusaders. So you will be handing them a massive propaganda and recruitment victory.
    
    In short, will Christians around here kindly stop trying to rehabilitate a deeply flawed historical religio-military idea – the crusades – by portraying them as both necessary and/or on balance positive. They weren’t. But then as I’ve been saying for a while, religious people especially should beware of the targeting of any group on the basis of nothing but there religion, because once you do that, in the context of inflamed passions, they are likely to be next. That I would suggest is the lesson from history we should keep in mind when fighting jihadist terrorism.
    
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    August 19, 2017 10:48am
- Kimbo
  
  @ MrTips
  
  Lived in Finland…they’ve forgotten their heritage and faith that kicked out the Caliphate last time.
  
  Interesting factoid (and I do miss you on my Pub Quiz team, Mr Tips, but hey, this Protestant’s gotta call it on Mother Theresa how he sees it) which you no doubt no seeing you have lived there
  
  …the Finns – who have been predominantly Lutheran, not Roman Catholic for centuries – are ethnically and linguistically related not only to the Magyars/Hungarians, but also to the last race of people who presided over the Caliphate, the Turks.
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:26am
  - PhilBest
    
    Mr Tips’ second para starts:
    
    “…And I see the Barca folk have held hands and sung…”
    
    I pick this to refer to Barcelona. Hence my supportive comment about the historical allusion to Spain.
    
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    August 19, 2017 10:09am
    - MrTips
      
      Indeed Phil. And I shall be in Barca in 5 days time. Instead of imagining, I will pray a Rosary for the victims and their families and if I can find how, donate to those who need it.
      
      And on a tangent, I’m waiting for the self-important Lorde Yelich to blame all Moroccans for this violence.
      
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      August 19, 2017 10:45am
  - MrTips
    
    Indeed. A funny lot the Finns. They also have Mongolian roots but they won’t admit it.
    
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    August 19, 2017 10:46am
    - Kimbo
      
      Yes. You can see in their facial bone structure that they are not Nordic like the other Scandinavians, and yes, they have that sort of appearance you find with other peoples who came off the steppes. Just like when you look at Romanians, it is sometimes like the facial appearance of a Roman statue from 2,000 years ago…
      
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      August 19, 2017 10:59am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Looks pretty Nordic to me….
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauli_Niinist%C3%B6#/media/File:Sauli_Niinist%C3%B6_Senate_of_Poland_2015.JPG
        can’t see much of old Tzenghis Khan in this President
        
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        August 19, 2017 11:45am
      - Kimbo
        
        Physical Anthropology of the Finnish Stock concerns adaptations to the weather in the northern areas where the Finns live(d). The temperature gradient is colder in the northeasterly direction. Therefore the basal metabolic rate at which the body burns fuel to keep warm is relatively higher in that direction. A lot of the food is used just to keep warm, so a relaxed “peaceful” attitude was an adaptation to the northern climate over thousands of years. This helps to explain why the Finns are different from Slavs or Germans.
        
        http://peacecountry0.tripod.com/bloodtypes.htm
        
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        August 19, 2017 12:08pm
      - Kimbo
        
        How come so many Finnish people look East Asian?
        
        Because Caucasians and Asians are related and share common lineage, and some populations are closer than others. Finns and Saamis and a few other Uralic-speaking populations have rather recent genetic links to Eurasian/Central Asian populations.
        
        For example, Y-DNA (Haplogroup N) testing shows strong affinity between Finns and north Asian populations…
        
        For example, look at where the Finns are…now, notice they are next to the Saami, who are close to the Nenets. These people speak languages that are related. So, you can actually see the phenotypic shift from “Asian” to “Caucasian” when you look at pictures of these groups side by side…
        
        Of course, then you also have the blonde-hair, blue-eyed Finns with the classic “Nordic” phenotype that wouldn’t necessarily be associated with an Asian connection. But this is why “looks” are only skin deep. The blue-eye gene only arose somwhere around 10,000 years ago. And light skin was also a relatively recent genetic adaptation. Likewise, ancient populations could not be readily identifiable as “Asian” or “European.”
        
        All non-African human populations descend from a group of African migrants that found their way into southwest Asia and Eurasia. At that point, groups continued to split off and migrated to other locations and were isolated, and formed distinct lineages (that is reflected in DNA). Some of the ancestors of the populations we now would call northern or eastern European and Asian (and one could also include Native Americans here) actually stayed together a bit longer in Central Asia…before continuing on their paths of migrations and forming new lineages and “racial” groups.
        
        Sometimes a modern Finn will have a slightly “Asian” look, because they happened to inherit these particular genetic traits. So, they might have a more rounded face with higher/larger cheekbones, less-pronounced nose crest and even epicanthic folds.
        
        The latter trait – or, epicanthic folds – is not restricted to “Asian” populations only. It is found in Caucasians at lower rates, some Native Americans, and African populations as well.
        
        https://www.quora.com/How-come-so-many-Finnish-people-look-East-Asian
        
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        August 19, 2017 12:12pm
      - Jack5
        
        In the old black-and-white film days Scandinavians at times played the roles of Asians, because some looked sufficiently Asian.
        
        DNA studies show that Norwegians are 75 per cent similar to Germans, but there is a strong presence of E14, very common in DNA in Finland and among the Saami (Laplanders). In Finland’s population of about 5.5 million, a 6 per cent minority is ethnically Swedish.
        
        Finns. Estonians, and Saami are of the Finno-Ugric racial and language group. There are several quite sizeable populations of Finno-Ugric people in Russia, including one that is said to have the world’s highest proportion of red heads. They are also linked by language roots, if not by DNA, to Hungarians.
        
        I’ve posted this link before, but it’s interesting that DNA testing of Scots living in the Orkney Islands have ancient racial links to the Yakut people of Siberia.
        
        As for Finland, it’s a great country, populated by strong, independent people as shown by the way they shaped up to the Soviet Union, especially in the 1939-1940 winter war. It’s also an example, like Japan, and South Korea, and China, that monocultural countries can be at least as successful as multicultural countries.
        
        The Scots link to the Yakut:
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/3342804/Orkney-Islanders-have-Siberian-relatives.html
        
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        August 19, 2017 1:06pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Read down from that quora link…
        
        https://www.quora.com/How-come-so-many-Finnish-people-look-East-Asian
        
        The Finns today are a mix of peoples with different genetic backgrounds.
        
        Yep the Sammi people are “mongoloid”, but they make up a small percentage of the Finnish population.
        
        Of course, it made sense in the 19th C for Swedish anthropologists to be propagating tales that the Finns were not good “Nordic” peoples.
        
        Master Race Rulz, eh?
        
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        August 19, 2017 2:18pm
      - Jack5
        
        The Finns were Nordic enough for the Nazis.
        
        Hitler visited Finland in 1942, and Marshal Mannerheim secretly recorded a conversation with Hitler.
        
        You can hear Hitler talking to Mannerheim here:
        
        https://vimeo.com/74010304
        
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        August 19, 2017 3:19pm
- Scott
  
  Yes I see the Daily Mail has an article that says that Europe has had 16 jihadi attacks over the last two years and 364 have died hundreds more have been injured.
  
  And then after every attack messages of love and support pour in from around the globe.
  
  Well that will sort out those Muslims then?
  
  Can we just give something else a go. All we are saying is give war a chance. Those committing acts of terror should face the strongest possible condemnation. The families of terrorists should be sent home. Terrorist inspiring mosques should be shut down. The imams who preach hate should be deported immediately.
  
  How long will Europe put up with what is now an insurgent war against them? How many people have to die before a government says, we can’t have any more Muslims entering our country, they are too much of a security risk?
  
  Even on fox News a commentator said, we have to get used to this now, this is the new normal.
  It’s not normal!
  
  Europeans need to man up and fight for their civilisation and the safety of their own people. Else in 50 years time there will be no Europe.
  
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  August 19, 2017 11:18am
  - kowtow
    
    The new normal?
    
    The Euro elites have given up. Surrendered.
    There are many though who haven’t and who like Trump are calling it as it is. The media won’t allow their voice to be heard or cast them as “far right” Islamophobes or xenophobes.
    
    Trump tried to stem the Muslim tide into America , but the media , the elitists and the far left left attacked him.
    
    So who’s right Trump or the liars who want continued Muslim immigration and terror to be the new normal.
    
    “The head of Sweden’s security police called the threat of terrorism in Europe the ‘new normal’ on Friday as his Spanish counterparts continued to investigate Thursday’s deadly attacks in Spain.”
    
    https://www.thelocal.se/20170818/terror-situation-in-europe-is-the-new-normal-says-swedish-security-boss
    
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    August 19, 2017 12:08pm
  - MCos
    
    “The imams who preach hate should be deported immediately.”
    Puts me in mind of one or two Irish priests who weren’t too keen on the protestants back home when I was a kid in the fifties.
    I distinctly remember being told how evil the Orange people were.
    
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    August 19, 2017 1:24pm
Chuck Bird

I glad the police are interviewing the 5 scumbags who terrorized the 15 year olds on the train. I note that all the concern is about the girl who was exposed to one of the dirt bags dicks and not so much concern about the boy who was strangled till he nearly lost consciousness.

Those guy should be named and get jail time.
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August 19, 2017 8:44am
Monique Watson

Yup, as predicted, Bannon has gone. Kelly has to pick up the slack but he’s doing a pretty good job by all accounts. There’s going to be more firings that won’t make the news until next week. NY and Washington DC AG’s shouldn’t sleep easy.
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August 19, 2017 8:47am
- JasonJohns
  
  Kelly will go, too. Trump’s just Using him briefly. Trump has such energy that he can suck the ‘juice’ out of his personnel in only a few weeks or months. He gets what is healthy out of a man then moves on.
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:51am
  - mikenmild
    
    Dipping into the homoerotic this morning, Kea?
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:05am
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      Good point – here I was thinking Trump blows; he actually sucks.
      
      Who knew 😀
      
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      August 19, 2017 9:12am
    - ztev
      
      All Presidents have a big staff turnover- after 4 years.
      Trumps just doing all that in 1/4 of the time. Matches the speed of his ratings fall, everything is just done even more chaotically.
      We will all laugh about it when hes gone…
      
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      August 19, 2017 9:41am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Delusional, Trump will have a second term and the Dems will continue to spout rubbish and lies
        
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        August 19, 2017 10:26am
      - ztev
        
        Not when you have Trumps record disapproval ratings- You dont even think about running for a second term
        
        The Don Boy is a gone boy
        
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        August 19, 2017 12:43pm
      - Scott
        
        Ztev says Trump will be gone in 4 years. Let’s mark that and see in 4 years time shall we?
        At the moment the Dems are spinning about Trump so hard they don’t have time or interest to put together other things like, say an economic agenda? They are so busy being the obstructionist, Trump is racist party they can’t think about anything else.
        
        If Trump can continue to get the economy moving and bring in more jobs then the Dems are toast!
        
        Think about it. What positive thing do the Dems stand for? What will they do to help the white working man and woman?
        
        Right now the Dems stand for tearing down every statue of Robert E Lee. I’m sure that’ll help people struggling to find a job!
        
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        August 19, 2017 2:48pm
    - Gabby
      
      Just got a True Blood box set.
      
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      August 19, 2017 10:10am
    - PhilBest
      
      I picked it as a Vampire reference rather than a homoerotic one…
      
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      August 19, 2017 10:11am
      - ztev
        
        Are their virgins involved – this IS trump after all.
        
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        August 19, 2017 12:42pm
Happychappy

It amazes me the amount of punters on here want a return to dirty Politics to cut the legs off Jacinda and her bunch of misfits. Bill English can win this Election by pushing the facts that the Leader can’t do everything and you can’t be a government in waiting in two weeks just because of your Leaders looks. Look at the policy that is being pushed especially by Grant Roberson, David Parker and Jacinda and attack that without getting dirty and if the reply attacks you show them you are better than that and push more facts for the punter to see who’s right.
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August 19, 2017 8:57am
- Paulus
  
  What Policy -oh we will charge you for water and give it to the Maori.
  We do not have ant figures for anything but we will tell you how much after the election when you vote for us and Winston.
  He and Helen will decide.
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:03am
- VicParking
  
  But she has such nice hair……
  
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  August 19, 2017 10:41am
  - sooty
    
    Is so youthfull too!
    
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    August 19, 2017 11:41am
    - Paulus
      
      It appears that the women of New Zealand, from grandmothers to teens, think that she is the best thing since the pill.
      Women decide a Government remember.
      
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      August 19, 2017 1:48pm
JasonJohns

It’s not about being dirty HappyChappy, it’s about demanding to know whether jacinda is fornicating, and about highlighting the national security risks of a menstrual PM. It’s a scientific and biblical approach to politics.
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August 19, 2017 9:06am
wiseowl

This weeks question.
What’s an ‘afterdavid’ ?
Is it when you make a comment following a post by DPF or DG?
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August 19, 2017 9:08am
- wally
  
  Here you are:
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Animals_and_plants_named_after_David_Attenborough
  
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  August 19, 2017 10:16am
- VicParking
  
  Another word for afterlittle
  
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  August 19, 2017 10:42am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    How some people or auto correct spell affidavit, funny really.
    
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    August 19, 2017 3:39pm
Manolo

Fired!
http://nypost.com/2017/08/18/steve-bannon-is-out-at-white-house/
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August 19, 2017 9:27am
Swifty

Over the past few days, I’ve been going through all our parties 2017 candidate lists to get a feel for the quality of the people our parties consider worthy of governing NZers – and given their choices, how well this reflects on each party.

A starter for ten.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/90494775/Working-man-to-take-on-standing-Taupo-MP

http://www.labour.org.nz/alaalbustanji

Hmmmm…..
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August 19, 2017 9:32am
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SUPPORT LABOUR TO ALLOW AUCKLAND TO BUILD OUT OF THE HOUSING BUBBLE LIKE GREATER CHRISTCHURCH …

Greg Ninness says the outlook remains soft for the Auckland housing market, regardless of who wins the election | interest.co.nz

http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/89399/greg-ninness-says-outlook-remains-soft-auckland-housing-market-regardless-who-wins

By Greg Ninness

The Auckland housing market is an enigma wrapped in a conundrum.

Surging migration-fuelled population growth is driving up demand, while construction of new homes remains well below what is required to meet that demand.

So growth in demand for housing continues to outpace growth in supply, creating a housing shortage that gets bigger by the day. … read ,ore via hyperlink above …

BNZ’s Tony Alexander says first home buyers are buying fewer homes because house prices are ‘too high’ and the loans they would need are ‘too frighteningly big’ | interest.co.nz

http://www.interest.co.nz/property/89385/bnzs-tony-alexander-says-first-home-buyers-are-buying-fewer-homes-because-house

Housing – New Zealand Labour Party

http://www.labour.org.nz/housing

… extract …

Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out

Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds. … read more via hyperlink above …

2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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August 19, 2017 9:45am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  You talk more shit than Twatford on The Nation
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:58am
  - PhilBest
    
    “Twatford” versus Nick Smith, in genuine intellectual curiosity about how urban economics and housing markets work – while I am not a Labour supporter and never have been, I award this one to “Twatford” 10 to 1. Sorry.
    
    And the “KB consensus”, if it is behind Nick, doesn’t reveal much intellectual heft or integrity.
    
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    August 19, 2017 10:15am
    - PhilBest
      
      A faint ray of hope, is future National leadership material on the back benches, that understand this and hold their peace for now about the Dinosaurs like Nick on the front bench.
      
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      August 19, 2017 10:20am
      - VicParking
        
        Correct.
        After nine your the crap floats to the top. However age and stupidness will flush them out and the new breed will take over. Still ✔️✔️ Blue
        
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        August 19, 2017 10:46am
    - Happychappy
      
      You haven’t even got that right Phil Best it was Twyford vs Adams and the Labour campaign manager was short of giving answers.
      
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      August 19, 2017 10:29am
      - PhilBest
        
        Adams is a late-comer, it is Nick Smith who is the highly responsible old failure on this issue. I will reserve judgement about Adams.
        
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        August 19, 2017 1:21pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      The loser Amy had a big part to play with Nick Smith on the recent RMA reforms.
      
      What a complete disaster !
      
      Read more via links in right column ‘Nick Smith’ of the GONE GONE GOING section of http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org /
      
      She is grossly over-rated. Just a nobody motormouth lawyer … with the charisma of a brick.
      
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      August 19, 2017 5:00pm
  - PhilBest
    
    In fact the parallels between “Twatford” versus Nick, and Roger Douglas versus Muldoon, are eerie.
    
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    August 19, 2017 10:25am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      PhilBest … With the greatest of respect … this is very different to the 1980’s top-down ‘crash’ change.
      
      This is bottom – up evolutionary change … with appropriately public opinion in the driver’s seat … that started early 2005 (and indeed before) with the release of the 1st Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey.
      
      Read what Dr Oliver Hartwich of the NZ Initiative says within the Introduction to this years Demographia Survey … http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
      
      Check out the screeds and screeds and screeds of stuff aty my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
      
      This is very much a pragmatic ‘let the numbers do the talking’ approach.
      
      Focused on RESTORING housing to 3.0 times annual household incomes … like it used to be here … and still is in much of middle North America.
      
      Mid last year I discussed this with Heather du Plessis Allan on radio …
      
      Talking housing affordability across the globe with Hugh Pavletich
      
      http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Talking-housing-affordability-across-the-globe-with-Hugh-Pavletich/tabid/506/articleID/122978/Default.aspx
      
      … and wrote about it at the same time …
      
      RESTORING AFFORDABLE HOUSING: AN ADVOCATES TALE
      
      http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/definition-of-affordable-housing.html
      
      New Zealand is THE global leader in politically progressing these issues in a long-winded, noisy and evolutionary way. The only effective way … with the full participation and consent of the governed.
      
      Democracy must always be respected and treasured.
      
      I can’t speak highly enough of the massively important role the broad media has played these past near 13 years. Just great.
      
      As Kiwis … we should be very proud of all this.
      
      We have THE BEST little democracy on Planet Earth !
      
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      August 19, 2017 5:32pm
      - realityczech
        
        “This is bottom – up evolutionary change … with appropriately public opinion in the driver’s seat …Focused on RESTORING housing to 3.0 times annual household incomes ”
        
        So the public are demanding a massive reduction in the value of their biggest asset ?
        
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        August 19, 2017 5:57pm
      - PhilBest
        
        RealityCzech: is the “fair go”, especially for the young, and a fair go at least as good as what “we” had from our own parents, not a deeply held Kiwi principle?
        
        You are suggesting that a generation of Kiwis in more recent history have now become venal, selfish, “I’m alright, Jack, stuff you” assholes?
        
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        August 19, 2017 6:10pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        PhilBest … You are spot on. Kiwis are generally well aware that bubble wealth is illusory wealth. Fools gold.
        
        Housing inflation is in reality wealth destruction and poverty creation.
        
        Indeed Labour Party polling found this near a year ago …
        
        The NZ homeowners who hate high house prices are revealed in Labour polling | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/90244287/The-NZ-homeowners-who-hate-high-house-prices-are-revealed-in-Labour-polling
        
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        August 19, 2017 6:45pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        More good news for Labour as Jacinda Ardern prepares for campaign launch … (Sunday Star Times) Fairfax / Stuff NZ
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95951483/More-good-news-for-Labour-as-Jacinda-Ardern-prepares-for-campaign-launch?cid=app-iPad
        
        Labour leader Jacinda Ardern kicks off her campaign with an official launch in Auckland on Sunday buoyed by a new poll that puts her party within striking distance of a softening National vote.
        
        The survey obtained by Stuff and undertaken by pollsters UMR Research – which Labour, NZ First and a range of corporates use – put Labour at 37 per cent, up one percentage point since the last UMR poll a week ago.
        
        That was the same support shown in this week’s One News-Colmar Brunton poll.
        
        But National was on only 40 per cent, down three from the previous UMR poll a week before. The One News poll also showed National down three percentage points but at 44 per cent.
        
        There was better news for the Greens who were steady at 8 per cent in the UMR poll. That contrasted with the disastrous showing in the Colmar-Brunton survey released on Thursday that put them at 4.3 per cent – below the MMP threshold and in danger of crashing out of Parliament. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        August 20, 2017 10:53am
    - PhilBest
      
      I see your point, Hugh, but the “bottom up” pressure now concerns house prices but certainly not any understanding about the right way to go about it. Every man and his dog on every discussion forum, letters to the editor, pub and barbecue talk, has a “solution” OTHER than “do away with the artificial scarcity values of urban fringe land and finance infrastructure properly”. “Cut immigration” is a huge favourite; capital gains taxes; higher interest rates; tax rules about houses and investment; and so on. As soon as you start talking about “allowing more urban sprawl” everyone goes into “sacrilege” mode, along with denying that this is anything to do with it (in contrast to their favourite solution).
      
      Certainly by the 1980’s most people knew things were not what they should be, but national leadership had to have the intelligence and the integrity to understand what was the right things to do; otherwise a whole lot more populist garbage would have given the voters some comforting illusions and NZ would have ended up in sovereign default by 1990, and as “Venezuela in the South Pacific” by 2000.
      
      Twyford’s similarity to Roger Douglas is that he totally outshines the opposition in understanding the economics and the big principles (eg the difference between “market enabling” and “crony capitalism”, the latter being what the Nats are deeply guilty of). He just needs a “Lange” to provide the charisma and salesmanship to the skeptical voters, over the heretical aspects of the reforms – and “more sprawl” is an extreme heresy. Is Jacinda a “Lange”? And are the Labour caucus dinosaurs like Mallard willing to go along against their long-held beliefs (eg markets versus statism)?
      
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      August 19, 2017 7:15pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        PhilBest … Many thanks for your follow-up response. Commenting further …
        
        a. Please read the Rob Stock March article posted above reporting on Labours / UMR polling last September poll … where peoples perspectives are identified.
        
        b. It is Labour Housing Policy to abolish Auckland’s urban limits and nationally bond finance infrastructure. Not Phil Twyfords ‘policy’. Phil is the Auckland / Housing spokesman for Labour. One needs to be very clear with respect to this.
        
        c. During the HASHA legislation extension early last September, all the political parties other than National, the Maori Party, a confused ACT … all came together supporting the abolition of urban limits and the bond financing of infrastructure.
        
        d. As reported following the passing of the RMA amendment legislation March this year by Bernard Hickey of NEWSROOM … https://pro.newsroom.co.nz/articles/1629-newsroom-pro-s-8-things-at-8-trolling-millennials-is-easy-defamation-retrials-loom
        7. Just in case you missed it…
        
        One curious coda to the RMA debate that concluded last week was that the Opposition parties plus ACT and United Future all voted again during the third reading debate for amendments that would have abolished Rural Urban Growth Boundaries and allowed the financing of infrastructure bonds paid for with targeted rates.
        
        The amendments were defeated by National and the Maori Party.
        
        The irony of a Government that has railed against restrictions on land development by councils voting against removing those restrictions should be noted. And also that the proposal for infrastructure bonds was backed by the right-leaning New Zealand Initiative and voted for by the Greens and Labour. Strange times indeed.
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        .
        I tend to give more weight to disciplined / scientific polling and political action.
        
        Off-the cuff sort of views need I think to be kept in perspective. Some of the worst I get are from business / property guys. Stephen Franks made mention of this a couple of years ago …
        StephenFranks.co.nz » Blog Archive » Banal business naivete on politics (and the RMA and Councils)
        http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/banal-business-naivete-on-politics-and-councils/
        
        e. Historically, the centre-left / Labour has been the ‘Party of Reform’ in this country … with the centre-right often talking the talk but not walking the walk. The latter generally don’t have the stomack / will to lead reform. In their own muddled / slow way National … thanks in large measure to Bill English … have actually progressed things in an evolutionary way. The RBNZ Governor Graeme Wheeler has also played an enormously important role. So thanks to these two guys and others we have massive institutional participation in these issues.
        
        f. The pace however has been glacial … something I wrote about at the time of the release of this years Demographia Survey 23 January … http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/auckland-worlds-fourth-hardest-to-buy.html
        
        g. We now need Labour in the drivers seat.
        
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        August 19, 2017 8:49pm
  - GazzaW
    
    @Steve
    I would have thought that to be impossible – until now.
    
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    August 19, 2017 2:48pm
- wiseowl
  
  Immigration Hugh.
  
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  August 19, 2017 10:09am
  - PhilBest
    
    Yeah, that’s why Houston was 4 million people in 1990 and is now 6.5 million, and they’ve got a median multiple as high as Auckland, no, wait…..
    
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    August 19, 2017 10:19am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  National discovers a new feeling – panic … Tracy Watkins OPINION … Fairfax / Stuff NZ
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/95888082/National-discovers-a-new-feeling-panic?cid=app-iPad
  
  ‘Conversation’ at yesterdays Kiwiblog General Debate …
  
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/general_debate_18_august_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1995243
  
  … with further postings …
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/short-term_vs_long-term.html/comment-page-1#comment-1995271 … and …
  
  Captain Mainwaring
  
  Your wet dream could well come true Hugh, and we will go through three years of Hell before getting rid of the incompetent bastards behind the pretty face.
  
  … and responding …
  
  Hugh Pavletich
  
  Capt Mainwaring … with all due respects, you are misreading the massive trends underway.
  
  This has been building for a very long time indeed, as issues polling has constantly and consistently made clear.
  
  Hopefully I have set it out clearly as well at my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … and in particular within the GONE GONE GOING section.
  
  Capt ‘Costa Concordia’ Key had no intention of course to hang around for the sinking. The 28 May 2016 Newshub Reid Research poll ( access via GONE GONE GOING section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org ) was the ‘tipping point’ for Key.
  
  Bill English was left to go down with the sinking ship 5 December 2016. He never was a leader.
  
  Jacinda Ardern is simply the effective messenger and credible leader for Labour.
  
  Effective politicians are simply poll parrots. Their survival depends on it … and they know it.
  
  Try asking a politician to go against the polls.
  
  I am extremely disappointed the centre-right … due to a long history of deceit and incompetence … is handing this issue and indeed government to the centre-left on a plate.
  
  There is going to be hell to pay within the National Party following the election 23 September. A ‘party’ I’m very much looking forward to.
  
  Nationals problems are only just starting.
  
  Further postings accessible via …
  
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/english_rules_out_dtis.html/comment-page-1#comment-1994798 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/08/links-18-august-2017/#comment-2938594
  
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  August 19, 2017 10:12am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    NEW ZEALAND: SUPPORT LABOUR TO ALLOW AUCKLAND TO BUILD OUT OF THE HOUSING BUBBLE … LIKE GREATER CHRISTCHURCH …
    
    THE HOUSING DEBATE (Adams v Twyford) … Lisa Owen … THE NATION … NEWSHUB
    
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2017/08/the-housing-debate.html
    
    Is there a housing crisis? And how many more social houses do we need?
    
    Lisa Owen talks to National and Labour’s housing spokespeople Amy Adams and Phil Twyford.
    
    Watch the video above …
    
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    August 19, 2017 11:46am
    - starboard
      
      “Hic..Hic..Doomed..Hic ”
      
      (See hyperlink)
      
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      August 19, 2017 12:13pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      I saw:
      
      GONE GONE GOING
      
      But Hugh’s still here.
      
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      August 19, 2017 3:21pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        THE LOOMING DESERVED THRASHING OF THE GOVERNMENT … A HISTORY OF DECEIT & INCOMPETENCE WITH HOUSING …
        
        Thursday Poll of Hope … Election 23 September …
        
        1 NEWS Colmar Brunton poll: Greens plummet below five per cent, ‘Jacinda effect’ keeps Labour climbing | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/1-news-colmar-brunton-poll-greens-plummet-below-five-per-cent-jacinda-effect-keeps-labour-climbing
        
        ‘Someone to love
        Somewhere to live
        Something to do
        Something to hope for’
        Jacinda Ardern … NZ Labour Leader
        
        WATCH …
        
        Watch: ‘New Zealand is such an optimistic nation’ – Jacinda Ardern says election about getting ‘basics’ right … TVNZ
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/watch-new-zealand-such-optimistic-nation-jacinda-ardern-says-election-getting-basics-right
        
        Poverty, gap between rich & poor and housing affordability, housing shortage, and homelessness dominate discussion in lead-up to election, says Roy Morgan poll | interest.co.nz
        
        http://www.interest.co.nz/news/89038/poverty-gap-between-rich-poor-and-housing-affordability-housing-shortage-and-homelessness
        
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        August 19, 2017 4:45pm
Steve (North Shore)

Comedy on TV3 right now – The Nation
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August 19, 2017 9:50am
- Happychappy
  
  Hugh’s prodigy was found out when asked the tough Questions.
  
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  August 19, 2017 10:33am
holysheet

Shush, don’t tell Gareth or Tops

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40973859
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August 19, 2017 9:52am
Manolo

Wise advice:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/18/newt-sounds-the-alarm-trump-wont-have-stable-presidency-without-serious-changes-video/

Former Speaker of the House and longtime Trump supporter Newt Gingrich is seriously worried about the future of Donald Trump’s presidency.

Gingrich, who has consistently been one of Trump’s most optimistic supporters, said Friday morning that Trump is more isolated than he realizes and needs to make “serious changes” if he’s going to have a stable presidency.
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August 19, 2017 9:54am
- mikenmild
  
  How does one fit ‘Trump’ and ‘stable presidency’ in the same sentence?
  
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  August 19, 2017 11:25am
cmm

Gay Apple CEO Tim Cook is anti-hate.

Dude: Trump isn’t throwing gays off buildings like the diverse people you say you love so much.

People like Trump are keeping you alive.
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August 19, 2017 11:02am
- MCos
  
  I’m not sure what to make of that remark.
  Should this bloke be grateful Trump doesn’t have him executed? Is that what you’re saying?
  
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  August 19, 2017 1:37pm
  - itstricky
    
    Tying three independent strings together to make up some sort of thin veil of half baked crochet hypocrisy is big business around here.
    
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    August 19, 2017 3:38pm
Fletch

Saw this exchange on a Seven Sharp Facebook thread about Helen Clark. Someone with balls wrote –

No time for her,especially after the debarcle of her husband getting caught out for serious misconduct overseas and nz footing the bill to get him out…bunch of sicko,s

And Helen responded (it has a blue tick, so I assume it really is her).

That is defamatory, untrue, baseless. Do not repeat fake news.

https://www.facebook.com/sevensharp/videos/10155774710462268/
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August 19, 2017 11:15am
- Kimbo
  
  OK, so we can now be quite sure then, that “Helen Clark has never made any comment about the allegations” is…not the case.
  
  So a bit like the accusation, “Phil Goff spat on soldiers who had returned from Vietnam”, time to put up or shut up.
  
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  August 19, 2017 11:19am
  - Fletch
    
    Well, I’d sure like to know what happened. And I don’t think Peter was over at the U.N with her was he? He has just kind of faded out of existence. What ever happened to him?
    
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    August 19, 2017 11:32am
    - Kimbo
      
      Hmm. It’s always the religious conservatives who are the most hypocritical. Tell you what Fletch, as I think we would agree that this part of the Mosaic law is still applicable to Christians:
      
      You shall not go about as a slanderer among your people (Leviticus 19:17a)
      
      …and on the thread that you linked to the challenge was made, probably by Clark herself
      
      do not use someone’s name in your fake profile
      
      …if you continue to insist on implying the allegations have substance despite the emphatic denial, how about you put your full name to them, and be prepared to suffer the consequences. Like I said, put up or shut up.
      
      Starting to understand why your efforts inspire contempt?
      
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      August 19, 2017 11:43am
      - Fletch
        
        Oh, so it’s enough for someone to say ‘it’s not true’ and offer nothing other than faux indignation? No actual facts? Especially when it comes to a politician like Helen – sorry, I have no reason to believe her just because she says so.
        
        I wasn’t suggesting it was true, but there probably is a reason that she should clear up the matter. The rumour is still out there. If she doesn’t like it, she should tell us what really happened.
        
        It’s OK for people to call Trump Hitler though and make claims about him that aren’t true.
        
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        August 19, 2017 11:47am
      - Kimbo
        
        No actual facts?…Helen…Trump…Hitler
        
        Let me lay it out for you, you mentally and morally-challenged religious-ideological fuck wit:
        
        I realise that may be a novel concept for conservative Roman Catholics given how you used to conduct witch trials and the Inquisition (hey, I’m not the one who introduced the idea on General Debate today that Spain’s solutions c1492 dealing with religious differences were worth imitating!)
        
        …but the burden of proof, especially in the face of an emphatic denial, is on those making the accusation. So, for a third time, put up and shut up, and put your name to it you gutless religious hypocrite. Or let me guess, you are so lacking in self-awareness you are going to go sooking and bleating “I’m being picked on and persecuted by anti-Roman Catholic bigotry”?!
        
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        August 19, 2017 11:58am
    - stigie
      
      You need to ask dad4justice about Peter, he has the inside running on that sordid story !~
      
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      August 19, 2017 12:18pm
    - lifesgood
      
      He got replaced by H2
      
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      August 19, 2017 12:30pm
    - Paulus
      
      I do not think that Peter could have got a US Visa to visit Helen in New York.
      
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      August 19, 2017 1:50pm
      - stigie
        
        Hopefully Dad will be along shortly and clear up this sordid story for everyone concerned..?
        
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        August 19, 2017 3:00pm
      - big bruv
        
        We need D4J here to enlighten us all as to what really happened at LAX.
        I do remember when all that happened, John Banks was still doing Radio Pacific’s breakfast show, he teased his audience with the line that ‘tomorrow I will tell you all what really happened at LAX’
        The next morning Banks said that he had received a phone call the previous evening from the PM and as a result of that call he was not going to spill the beans. Banks said that it was a private matter between the PM and her husband and that he (Banks) respected that.
        
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        August 19, 2017 3:16pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Has anyone else thought how lovely it is that Jacinda’s partners name is Clarke? 😉
        
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        August 19, 2017 4:02pm
      - realityczech
        
        Clarke Gayford
        
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        August 19, 2017 4:03pm
Fletch

The ridiculous ‘gender diversity’ beast rears its ugly head in New Zealand.

Government committee: let people choose gender

A transgender boy is among those celebrating a win for people whose gender does not align with the sex they were assigned at birth.

A Government committee has ruled on the side of gender diversity, saying people should to be able to choose their own gender.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/95924795/government-committee-let-people-choose-gender?cid=facebook.post.95924795
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August 19, 2017 11:18am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “Government committee: let people choose gender”
  
  I don’t think the New Zealand public is aware of the meaning of the term “gender” in this context–as being something malleable that one freely and deliberately chooses.
  
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  August 19, 2017 11:48am
  - Fletch
    
    That’s because there really only are two genders. The term should be used interchangeably with “sex”, as in a person’s biological sex. The meaning of the word “gender” has been changed by ideologues to suit their own purposes.
    
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    August 19, 2017 11:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Remember the good old days when you only had to worry about gender in French & Latin lessons….
    
    Une maladie de l’esprit du jeune homme
    
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    August 19, 2017 12:06pm
- KevOB
  
  The Government doesn’t let then chose sex publicly.
  
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  August 19, 2017 1:47pm
- cmm
  
  Cool.
  
  I think I’ll become a woman when they start handing out the tampon subsidy.
  
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  August 19, 2017 2:41pm
  - cha
    
    Best you get yourself to Aberdeen then.
    
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland-to-provide-free-sanitary-towels-to-low-income-women-1-4500210
    
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    August 19, 2017 2:50pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      From the comments in your link:
      
      Whit aboot ma pile cream?
      
      Ah’m in agony a’ the time, not jist a wee bit manky 5 days a month ….
      
      and
      Scotland has always provided free sanitary protection to all women – Sphagnum moss grows widely and was commonly and very effectively used for the purpose until the arrival of mass-produced cellulose fibre products in the mid 1920s.
      
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      August 19, 2017 3:17pm
  - Gabby
    
    Well you gotta hedd stort cmmiebokkie.
    
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    August 19, 2017 5:26pm
Happychappy

So Paddy Gower wants to play in America’s Politics by giving his views about Trump being impeached, Jesus this NZ Journalist think his opinion matters and would be the first to complain if a US Journalist made a critical comment about Jacinta.
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August 19, 2017 12:12pm
Manolo

The enemy within:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4800390/Three-police-officers-run-Barcelona-roadblock.html

Spanish police have identified three young jihadis, including a 17-year-old, who were shot dead following Thursday’s massacre in Barcelona.

Moussa Oukabir, 17, Said Aallaa, 18, and Mohamed Hychami, 24, were among five terrorists killed in the seaside resort of Cambrils in the early hours of Friday morning.
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August 19, 2017 12:20pm
starboard

Fantastic. Bang..Bang..Bang. Now go and see your sky ferry.
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August 19, 2017 12:42pm
Scott Hamilton

A poll reported in today’s Herald suggests that a huge majority of NZers want to see marijuana decriminalised or legalised. Even with our present silly drug laws, there’s one nice narcotic that I can buy, quite legally, from my local dairy. This drug is surging in popularity in the West, and I’ve argued that it should be NZ’s drug of the future:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/05-08-2017/in-praise-of-kava/
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August 19, 2017 2:00pm
- Jack5
  
  Scott reports on being legless on kava in Vanuatu…
  
  Should NZ have driving laws about kava, then Scott?
  
  And what about the clapping?
  
  https://youtu.be/Ps06ZvACNgs
  
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  August 19, 2017 2:09pm
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    Some hot-off-the-shelf research from Waikato Uni suggests kava drinkers are safer than drunks, Jack
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/motoring/95239695/Drink-driving-kava-study-results-hazy-for-Waikato-University
    But it depends on the strength of the kava. Drinkers here are mostly consuming Tongan and Fijian stuff. I wouldn’t want to get in a car with someone who’d had a few cups of a potent ni-Vanuatu brew…
    
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    August 19, 2017 2:26pm
  - cmm
    
    While there are probably no specific measurements for kava in your body, you can get pinged for dangerous driving if you are impaired by anything: kava, huffing petrol/gas, cold medicine, …
    
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    August 19, 2017 2:43pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Yes. Linctus G can take it’s toll if you have a bad cough and a bottle in your arse pocket
      
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      August 19, 2017 7:07pm
Jack5

Some dairy farmers and their political mates have been singing the praises of Filipino farm workers and defending employment of them despite the many young New Zealanders out of work.

Sounds like not all the Filipinos reciprocate the farmers good feelings, and they want wages set at the living wage of $20.20 per hour.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11907236
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August 19, 2017 2:01pm
- Jack5
  
  “Living wage” is the term of the union that says it represents some Filipino dairy workers.
  
  “Living wage” is a pretty loose term. “Living wage” of $200 an hour might seem a bit tight for some executives.
  
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  August 19, 2017 3:14pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    That’s what my Lawyer charges – and never bats an eyelid
    
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    August 19, 2017 7:09pm
- mikenmild
  
  How the hell would dairy farmers be able to buy a new boat and 4WD each year if they had to pay $20 per hour?
  
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  August 19, 2017 4:03pm
  - Brigitte
    
    Once the water tax comes in they’ll be lucky if they can afford to pay them $2 per hour.
    
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    August 19, 2017 4:18pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Or a man of knowledge like a State Sector Employee such as yourself Mike?
    
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    August 19, 2017 7:11pm
cha

Burn.

Hey, @SeattlePD, I'm seeing vids of Alex Jones on Seattle streets yelling at folks. Is this under investigation, are there incident reports?— Dominic Holden (@dominicholden) August 18, 2017

We haven't received any official reports. As far as we know that could be an actor playing Alex Jones.— Seattle Police Dept. (@SeattlePD) August 18, 2017
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August 19, 2017 2:46pm
- realityczech
  
  Alex Jones was just attacked by a Alt – Left extremist
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/alex-jones-coffee-video-infowars-prison-planet-seattle-footage-spain-attacks-barcelona-a7901101.html
  
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  August 19, 2017 7:13pm
  - cha
    
    It gets better – 4chan started a thread to doxx the guy who poured “scolding” coffee on Alex Jones. Turns out he’s a local actor.
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:46pm
    - realityczech
      
      “Turns out he’s a local actor.”
      
      False flag was it cha ?
      /
      
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      August 19, 2017 10:08pm
      - cha
        
        The performance artist Alex Jones was in character as Alex Jones.
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4418934/Alex-Jones-s-lawyer-says-s-just-playing-character.html
        
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        August 19, 2017 10:36pm
big bruv

The story just gets better. Now we have one of the god fearing family men of the NZ national rugby team returning home for what the sycophantic NZ media call ‘family reasons’. Meanwhile the Aussie media reveal the real reason he has rushed home with his tail between his legs.
The NZ rugby team really don’t know how to handle life when they don’t have a compliant and meek media do they.
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August 19, 2017 3:01pm
realityczech

******** Breaking News*********

Alt -Left extremists threaten Prime Minister Bill English in protest at a new hospital to treat the sick !

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/95949112/new-1bn-hospital-for-dunedin-govt-announces
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August 19, 2017 3:24pm
- itstricky
  
  FAKE NEWS!
  
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  August 19, 2017 3:42pm
  - realityczech
    
    Sadly it is not fake. Labour and Green supporters are really that demented.
    
    Note they were all female rioters. This is how those hoes should be dealt with:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiw0fw_sJOk
    
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    August 19, 2017 3:56pm
    - starboard
      
      Ha ha ha ha! Fantastic. They should have been at home in the kitchen making Beef Stroganoff.
      
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      August 19, 2017 4:07pm
      - realityczech
        
        We need those boys to put Jacinda and Co in their correct place.
        
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        August 19, 2017 4:09pm
    - Gabby
      
      Those old ladies look pretty scary all right. A couple of them looked as if they might talk to Bingles directly. I’d certainly have run then walked then run away.
      
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      August 19, 2017 5:19pm
      - realityczech
        
        A good whipping will help guide you towards correct thinking and cure your lippyness .
        
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        August 19, 2017 5:24pm
- Gabby
  
  Announcing the already known rebuild? Bit of a czit announcement.
  
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  August 19, 2017 4:54pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Bill English, very quiet; rent a a mob, very loud.
  Technical sound problem STUFF
  
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  August 19, 2017 7:22pm
realityczech

Meet Clarke Gayford [chuckle]

Have you ever seen a more pussy whipped groveling wimp ? LOL 🙂

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11905987
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August 19, 2017 4:07pm
- Gabby
  
  Dear wee really czit, you sooo roonery.
  
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  August 19, 2017 5:00pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  “She deals with horrible people every day” (Clarke)
  Well saw my fucking dick off, this is Politics!
  Hit hard, remember Hager?.
  Clarkie boy is a groveler, has to beg for a root.
  Nancy boy
  
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  August 19, 2017 7:30pm
starboard

Kim Knight needs to put down the knife and fork..she hardly fits in the chair.
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August 19, 2017 4:08pm
- realityczech
  
  You don’t like morbidly obese women because men have imposed an unrealistic beauty standard on women. Beauty is a social construct and can be changed by laws imposed by central govt. Saying fat morbidly obese sacks of lard are not beautiful should be a crime and will be if Labour get in.
  
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  August 19, 2017 4:15pm
starboard

Cindy said ” bin ” when she should have said ” been “.
I hate that. Bastardising the English language but, bending right over backwards to try and pronounce mouldy names and places ‘correctly’. I’m offended. Wheres that Devoid woman, I wish to lay a complaint.
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August 19, 2017 4:20pm
- stigie
  
  Take a hold of yourself starboard, we would just hate you becoming a snowflake and being grossly offended ole chap..?
  
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  August 19, 2017 5:06pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It is a little pretentious (and unnatural) to sprinkle one’s speech with lone-words “perfectly” pronounced as per their language of origin.
  
  The Japanese sure don’t do it, so why would English speakers, except to virtue-signal?
  
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  August 19, 2017 6:53pm
  - realityczech
    
    Odakyu-sen it is one of my pet hates. Dropping the odd French word in a conversation being among the worst offenses.
    
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    August 19, 2017 7:01pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Exactomundo!
      (Is that even a word?)
      
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      August 19, 2017 7:52pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Yes!!!! 😉 lol
        
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        August 20, 2017 12:34pm
  - Johnboy
    
    So it’s all bullshit that they told the chaps on the Burma railway to “Speedo” when track laying was too slow?
    
    Well I’ll be fucked Oda… all those accounts of the torture our chaps went through were bloody lies! 🙂
    
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    August 19, 2017 7:02pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Johnboy,
      
      “Speedo” would be the Japanese pronunciation of “speed.”
      The guards could shout ” 早くやれ！” (Hayaku yare! Do it faster!) but the POWs wouldn’t understand.
      
      (Such a dishonorable thing to be taken prisoner…)
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      August 19, 2017 7:50pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Your right. Pity we never had enough nukes to save the Japanese from all that dishonour they still suffer from.
        
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        August 19, 2017 7:54pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I know. Terrible, isn’t it. Such dishonor.
        
        Still, the Norks have some nuclear devices they might lob into Tokyo so there is still hope (72 years after the fact…)
        
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        August 19, 2017 7:57pm
RF

Does Hansens Tim Tams contain Viagra ?

Might explain why the guys in black are spreading the love….

The ABs are no better than Aussie league players.

Drugs will be next…..
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August 19, 2017 4:34pm
- big bruv
  
  Or, could it be that there will finally be a gay NZ International rugby player?
  
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  August 19, 2017 6:26pm
  - Viking2
    
    nope. Not this time.
    
    New Zealand Rugby has confirmed Kaino, who was not part of the match-day squad, has returned home to deal with a personal matter following the publication of a story in the Australian media on Saturday morning.
    
    The Daily Telegraph in Sydney ran a story in the Saturday edition headlined ‘Love Rat’, accompanied by a photo of Kaino with model Tara Pokarier.
    
    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=tara+pokarier+model&tbm=isch&imgil=0CtOgpy79Of39M%253A%253BXyI98oa98pkX9M%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.linkedin.com%25252Fpulse%25252Flets-talk-tech-baby-tara-pokarier&source=iu&pf=m&fir=0CtOgpy79Of39M%253A%252CXyI98oa98pkX9M%252C_&usg=__u-ezNSMkJjedTX4eT4sa94bR6Kw%3D&biw=1525&bih=701&dpr=0.9&ved=0ahUKEwjugIfR7OLVAhUCzLwKHR3aAisQyjcIUQ&ei=o_KXWa6jKIKY8wWdtIvYAg#imgrc=AZmG6KWiotCBAM:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/95950590/jerome-kaino-returns-home-from-sydney-ahead-of-all-blackswallabies-test
    
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    August 19, 2017 8:17pm
Komata

I haven’t seen any comment on this yet; did I miss it?

‘Kim Dotcom’s Internet Party names exiled citizen journalist Suzie Dawson as leader’
(Source: NZ Herald 17 Jun, 2017).

And here was I thinking that at last TDC had been exported. No such luck!

Thoughts?

Thanks.
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August 19, 2017 6:01pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think it was discussed here on KB
  
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/oh_dear_the_new_internet_party_leader.html
  
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  August 19, 2017 6:31pm
  - Komata
    
    Thank you Maggie’ the link is appreciated. I had indeed missedit. 🙂
    
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    August 19, 2017 6:50pm
Viking2

Celebrities Call For ‘Total Hollywood Strike’ Until Trump Resigns

Several celebrities, including Rosie O’Donnell, Amy Schumer, Miley Cyrus and George Clooney are part of a group calling for a full Hollywood strike until Donald Trump resigns.

The same people who told Republicans to “stop whining” when Obama was in office prove themselves to be the absolute whiniest group of people to walk the earth. Many of Hollywood’s elite are threatening to go on strike in protest of our President.

This rumor began circulating as soon as Trump was elected President of the United States, but these idiots continue to push the matter. Our message to them, DO IT.

http://www.usasupreme.com/celebrities-hollywood-strike-trump-resigns/

“It’s about time people understood that we’re the ones with the power and that the president is there to serve us, not the other way around“, a spokesperson for the group told The New York Times.

Arrogant pieces of shit.
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August 19, 2017 6:41pm
- Peter
  
  Ha ha. Go on strike. As if anyone would notice.
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:45pm
cha

It’s hard to believe infrastructure week is almost over.

We learned so much more about Trump’s…. um…infrastructure plan…..
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August 19, 2017 6:44pm
Viking2

BREAKING: First Indictment Handed Down: Is This The End Of Hillary’s Corruption?

The entire criminal organization known as the Democrat Party is about to come crashing down. They got destroy by them self because of all the illegal things they did, thinking they were untouchable. But their corrupt ways had to come to light eventually.

Now, as more and more comes to light on the IT scam and the Democrats, the level of the swamp will definitely begin to lower.

http://www.usasupreme.com/breaking-first-indictment-handed-end-hillarys-corruption/
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August 19, 2017 6:50pm
- cha
  
  I love how you dopey pricks think a garden variety mortgage scam is some grand conspiracy that ties everything together with a wee bow.
  
  //
  
  The charges don’t have a direct relationship to their work in congressional offices, but the criminal charges add to the political heat directed toward their congressional employers, especially Wasserman Schultz.
  
  Awan, 37, and Alvi, 33, were charged with:
  
  — Conspiracy to commit bank fraud, false statements on a loan or credit application and unlawful monetary transactions.
  
  — Bank fraud.
  
  — Making false statements on a loan or credit application.
  
  — Engaging in unlawful monetary transactions.
  
  Here’s what happened, according to the indictment, returned by a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C.:
  
  The couple conspired to obtain home equity lines of credit on rental properties that weren’t actually residences they lived in, the indictment alleges. They obtained the home equity lines of credit in the amounts of $165,000 and $120,000 from the Congressional Federal Credit Union, which has a policy of not extending such lines of credit when the property securing the loans is rental property.
  
  http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/fl-reg-imran-awan-indicted-20170817-story.html
  
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  August 19, 2017 7:05pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/95951536/polluted-river-water-turning-stray-dogs-blue-in-indian-city

Now we know why the lefties are so concerned about Nationals river clean-up policy! 🙂
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August 19, 2017 7:20pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/teach-me/95907991/women-prefer-the-smell-of-men-who-eat-fruit-and-vegetables–study

I’ve just eaten a whole cabbage, six jerusalem artichokes and a dozen raw onions with garlic/curry sauce.
Which of you ladies would like to take me to bed? 🙂
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August 19, 2017 7:35pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’ll pass.
  https://www.allure.com/story/fragrance-notes-the-smell-of-m
  
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  August 19, 2017 7:42pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    (Oh good! I get to dust this old one off and use it…
    Stand back…)
    
    ROFLMAO!
    
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    August 19, 2017 7:54pm
- cmm
  
  Lager and pickled onions never got me laid.
  
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  August 19, 2017 7:42pm
- realityczech
  
  Frail uptight vegetarians. Bet they are a great root -not.
  
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  August 19, 2017 7:46pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Johnboy:
  
  Which of you ladies would like to take me to bed?
  
  Stigie tells me there’s a carnival atmosphere down at Hagley Park, so if your online solicitations don’t work out, best to get down there quick smart old chap!
  
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  August 19, 2017 7:46pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Will Penny be there? 🙂
    
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    August 19, 2017 7:48pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      We’ll see what we can do Johnboy. Perhaps you could provide us with a suitably detailed description so Penny can pick you out from a crowd?
      
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      August 19, 2017 7:51pm
      - nasska
        
        JB will be the one wearing a sheepskin jacket, slippers & no pants Nostra. 🙂
        
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        August 19, 2017 7:59pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Tell her she should be able to smell me by the time I reach Kaiapoi. 🙂
        
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        August 19, 2017 8:00pm
Nostradamus

By the way, Johnboy, you’d better speak to Lucia Maria about your *cough* performance in the ~~bedroom~~ blogroom:

From my point of view, Gabby’s comments beat Johnboy’s constant sexual innuendo. Gabby has a large number of targets in comparison which does account for the corresponding number of downvotes.

I mention Johnboy, because he seemed to perform a similar function in thread – throwing everyone off-balance.

I was under the impression that you rated your performance as “off the chart”?
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August 19, 2017 7:56pm
- Johnboy
  
  I’d prefer just to whisper sweet nothings in Lucia’s ear after I’ve cooked her some garlic sprouts for breakfast Nostra. 🙂
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:03pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    When a man is told to cease and desist by a woman, whom he is harrasing, I think that it is incumbent on that man to abide by that Johnboy.
    That does not mean that you then amuse yourself at the expense of another either.
    
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    August 19, 2017 10:00pm
    - mikenmild
      
      But Johnboy thanks that it is harmless fun, Judging by the karma ticks, most people of Kiwiblog think his harassment is just fine.
      
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      August 19, 2017 11:48pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Well it isn’t.
        
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        August 20, 2017 12:44pm
Scorpion

Odakyu-sen

Could you explain to the Sheep Sodomites
the Fantastic Laws Japan has to prevent
Terrorism and Barbarism

That NZ should perhaps adopt immediately
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August 19, 2017 8:02pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Apologies Scorpion,
  I forgot to add you to the list of possible/probable
  Kea identities, last night.
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/general_debate_18_august_2017.html#comment-1995645
  I think between Mikenmild & moi, we’ve narrowed you down to 8 pseudonyms.
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:25pm
  - nasska
    
    The net’s tightening! 🙂
    
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    August 19, 2017 8:33pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Maggy:
    
    Lucia Maria‘s view (March 2017):
    
    I have no doubt that the Kea stable of identities has at least 10 that could be used to down tick me. But I’m guessing more in the realm of 20 to 50. Most will be on ice, for now. Don’t want to burn them all at once.
    
    My view (April 2017):
    
    – Kea has used at least 3 additional identities (Jazz-Hands Mc Feels, Kriss X and Realityczech). My opinion is based on 12+ years of reading Kiwiblog, observing people’s writing styles and topic interests.
    – Kea may have used other identities (LegioXII/Witness).
    – Beesting and Scorpion are the same person. I’m undecided about whether they’re Kea identities.
    
    Overall, it’d be a massive project to maintain multiple identities, or even just 2 identities, and I can’t understand why anyone would bother.
    
    My view hasn’t changed.
    
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    August 19, 2017 8:35pm
    - realityczech
      
      This nonsense seems to be driven by the notion that if two or more people have a view you disagree with, then it must be a conspiracy. In addition any view that differs must be trolling. Lucia Maria is a raving religious nut job who runs a conspiracy site and thinks 50 other commentors are a single person out to get her LOL 🙂
      
      Its is an attempt by the intellectually feeble to discredit the person, as they lack the wit to present any sort of a counter argument.
      
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      August 19, 2017 8:43pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      As I wrote last night, I’m willing to undertake an in-depth analysis of the Kea “identities” and compare them with the writings of Kea…but it will cost mega$$$$…. coz I’m not a cheap old bird when I work for lefties.
      
      But if you want a non-professional quickie view… I’d say that the 8-10 suspects fail to put on a full Kea display.
      http://1080science.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/kea-nesting-565×321.jpg
      
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      August 19, 2017 8:54pm
      - realityczech
        
        I suspect Russians have hacked KB in conjunction with Trump and the Muslims. Its all part of a conspiracy against the Jews.
        
        Guess who has been reading Lucia’s blog 🙂
        
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        August 19, 2017 8:59pm
    - stigie
      
      “Overall, it’d be a massive project to maintain multiple identities, or even just 2 identities, and I can’t understand why anyone would bother.”
      
      Well according to Dad, big bruv has about 13 or 14 identities, some stamina i would have thought !~
      
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      August 19, 2017 9:27pm
      - realityczech
        
        Loopy Lucia wants 5o people banned from KB 🙂
        
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        August 19, 2017 9:53pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Scorpion,
  Not so much laws as restrictions on immigration by groups that really would not integrate well into Japanese society.
  (You’ve probably seen this video already, but here is the link to it again… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKY5bFe_b-o )
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:26pm
  - realityczech
    
    Japan has it right. They protect their society and culture. They also do not go and impose themselves on other cultures.
    
    The US by comparison opens its door to incompatible cultures , while meddling in the affairs of other of those cultures in their homeland.
    
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    August 19, 2017 8:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Finnish Killings were a “terror” Attack
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40985528
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August 19, 2017 8:29pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  That’s strange. What did the Finns do to deserve that? (Certainly a lot less than NZ has done, by all accounts of claimed SAS activity in Afghanistan…)
  
  All it would take in Auckland is for some loser with a heavy truck/bus license to decide that the only sure way for them into Paradise is via jihad.
  
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  August 19, 2017 8:52pm
  - realityczech
    
    Given the number of Muslim countries we have helped invade, we have it coming. We open the door to let them in, then sneak our soldiers out the back door to go kill their families back home.
    
    What could possibly go wrong…
    
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    August 19, 2017 8:55pm
    - Jack5
      
      RealityCzech, ya dunno how lucky ya are …
      
      If NZ were a Muslim country, keas would be extinct by now and remembered only as talking, blog-posting devil birds.
      
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      August 19, 2017 9:04pm
  - Scorpion
    
    Odakyu-sen
    
    Anyone who is Non Muslim is consider a Kaffir
    
    You are a Kaffir nearly 50 % of the Quaran
    Deals with Kaffirs
    
    You get to Participate in this if you like it or not.
    
    https://www.politicalislam.com/kafir/
    
    Fins are Kaffirs
    
    That they are White Europeans means
    the mainstream media of the World
    including the corrupt Media propping up the
    Corrupt Elites of OZ or NZ will make
    no big deal of this
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:13pm
  - Jack5
    
    Finland isn’t in NATO, Odakyu-sen, but I think Finns have served, or perhaps are serving, in Afghanistan.
    
    Finns have conscription with a minimum six months of training, then they can be in the reserve until they are aged 50 or 60.
    
    Finland with a population of 5.5 million (about a quarter bigger than NZ) has an active military strength of about 30,000 with about 230,000 in the reserve.
    
    Given their performance in the short Winter War against the Soviet Union, the Finns are to be respected as fighters.
    
    The Italian fascist journalist, Malaparte, who covered the German war on Russia for an Italian newspaper, in his book had great praise for the Finns and said the SS troops couldn’t foot it with their Finnish then-allies in the fighting in the snow. I’m not sure how reputable Malaparte is, though.
    
    The Finns were soon classed as German allies, though earlier British and French volunteers had helped them. NZ seized the beautiful Finnish sailing vessel Pamir and didn’t return it until 1949.
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:40pm
Jack5

The Chinese Government is cracking down on strange company names. That’s a shame, as they seem most colourful.

A BBC report tells of, for example, names including the “Beijing Scared of Wife Technology Company” and the “Anping County Scared of Wife Netting Products Factory.”

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40945179
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August 19, 2017 9:02pm
- realityczech
  
  Laugh it up. My Best Happy Sun Tiger Lucky Fortune Dragon socket set works fine.
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:06pm
nasska

Hard to Believe:

A recent survey has revealed that the smartphone is now the No 1 handheld device…..

…..the penis has dipped to second place.
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August 19, 2017 9:05pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  … the penis has dipped…
  
  I see what you did there!
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:10pm
Nostradamus

Earthquake alert

A magnitude 4.5 earthquake occurred 15km south of Dannevirke … The quake may have been felt in Castlepoint, Dannevirke, Eketahuna, Fielding, Hastings, Hunterville, Levin, Martinborough, Masterton, Napier, Ohakune, Palmerston North, Paraparaumu …

How are you holding up Nasska?
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August 19, 2017 9:08pm
- nasska
  
  Shaken but not stirred Nostra! No damage.
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:15pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Just looked at the GeoNet Felt Detailed Master survey:
  
  We ask you to contribute to GNS Science research by filling in the following earthquake survey. … The survey will take around 10 minutes to complete and we would greatly appreciate your help.
  
  Question 4: What were you doing when the earthquake occurred?
  – Sitting/lying
  – Standing
  – Walking/Running
  – Sleeping and was woken up
  – Travelling in a vehicle
  – Not applicable
  
  I wonder if “masturbating” comes under “Not applicable”? (Then again, “Sitting/lying” might cover it!)
  
  Question 7: How would you best describe the shaking?
  – Heard, but not felt
  – Gentle, hardly recognized as an earthquake (like light trucks passing)
  – A jolt or mild, but unmistakably an earthquake (like heavy traffic passing)
  – Moderate
  – Strong powerful
  – Violent severe
  – Other (please specify)
  
  I didn’t know there were so many masturbation options!
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:16pm
  - holysheet
    
    I guess GNS never heard of the term
    “Did the earth move for you”
    It means did you feel a lot of satisfaction from having sex with someone.
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:26pm
nasska

…..”I didn’t know there were so many masturbation options!”…..

Clearly you don’t follow Eight to Noon KB General debate! 🙂
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August 19, 2017 9:21pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Which Kiwibloggers would you say belong to the “Strong powerful” and “Violent severe” club, Nasska?
  
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  August 19, 2017 9:25pm
  - nasska
    
    I reckon that keeping in mind that we live in a PC era any awards should be made on a participatory basis rather than one of individual achievement.
    
    In such a case membership could be restricted to about ten of the religio-conservative disciples of Onan. 🙂
    
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    August 19, 2017 9:31pm
Jack5

Now there’s been knife attack in Russia.

Talk of a mentally disturbed person. That’s usual family code for “he’s a fucking nut-case religious fanatic”.

https://www.rt.com/news/400233-russia-knife-attack-injured/
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August 19, 2017 9:23pm
- Jack5
  
  Tass seems to be dismissing the knifing (of eight people) as just someone running amok in Siberia.
  
  http://tass.com/society/961055
  
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  August 19, 2017 10:24pm
  - Jack5
    
    The Daily Mail reports the Russian knife attacker, Bobichel Abdurakhmanov, aged 23, was wearing a fake suicide belt.
    
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    August 19, 2017 11:10pm
- Inandout
  
  How can CNN tie Charlottsville and Trump to this? Of course, the Russian/Putin connection.
  
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  August 19, 2017 11:12pm
Monique Watson

The office light is flashing. It’s farking annoying. The good news is it hasn’t triggered an epileptic fit. Just a desire for tobacco.
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August 19, 2017 10:28pm
Scorpion

SHUT THE BORDERS

SHUT THE BORDERS NOW

DO IT VOTE FOR IT

IT IS THE ONLY THING WORTH VOTING FOR

IF IT IS NOT DONE
NZ IS LOST
GONE FOREVER

Take Heed 9 Australians Dead this year
and now a small Australian Child is missing
in Spain amongst the last Attack

AUSTRALIA IS NOW AN I S I S BASE

AUSTRALIA IS NOW AN I S I S BASE

AUSTRALIA IS NOW AN I S I S BASE

It is not compulsory to become
A BASE FOR ISIS

THERE IS A WAR ON

SHUT THE BORDERS
SHUT THE BORDER
SHUT THE BORDERS

DO IT NOW

DO IT NOW

DO IT
WHILE YOU STILL CAN

SHUT THE BORDERS

SHUT THE BORDERS

THERE IS AN INTERNATIONAL WAR
GOING ON

THERE IS AN INTERNATIONAL WAR
GOING ON

THERE IS AN INTERNATIONAL WAR
GOING ON

SHUT THE BORDERS

SHUT THE BORDERS

DO IT NOW
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August 19, 2017 10:45pm
- stigie
  
  ALL BLACKS 40/6 HALFTIME !!!!!!!!!
  
  Is it fashionable to use capitals..?
  
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  August 19, 2017 11:03pm
Jack5

Sounds like it was great shooting by female cop in the second Islamic terrorist attack in Spain.

This is from the Telegraph:

The incident at Cambrils, 60 miles south of Barcelona, began at 1.30am local time when an Audi A3 car was seen speeding into the town.

Inside the car were five jihadists. Strapped to their waists were fake suicide belts; they were armed with machetes, axes and knives.

The car reached the seafront promenade besides the Cambrils Yacht Club, where police had been stationed to guard tourists at the bars and restaurants that line the strip.

The Audi ploughed into pedestrians, injuring up to four people. The car then tried to mount a kerb but in doing so flipped into the air and landed on its roof. One report said it had first collided with a police car before careering out of control.

The terrorists crawled out the car, brandishing their weapons. One officer from the police car suffered a broken leg and a head wound.

His colleague, reacting with lightning speed, pulled out her pistol and shot four of the terrorists dead. The officer was last night being called a hero.
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August 19, 2017 11:06pm
- Jack5
  
  Islamic jihadists in Spain shot dead by a policewoman.
  
  The Kurdish women fighting ISIL say the terrorists are afraid of fighting women. Apparently they believe that if they are killed by women they won’t get into Islamic heaven and thus will miss out on all the personal virgins.
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-are-afraid-of-girls-kurdish-female-fighters-believe-they-have-an-unexpected-advantage-fighting-a6766776.html
  
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  August 19, 2017 11:37pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I would have called her a heroine, but apparently such complimentary comment in no longer appreciated by the feminist movement.
  
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  August 20, 2017 12:21am
Scorpion

Please Read

http://www.news.com.au/national/crime/the-11-imminent-terror-attacks-australia-narrowly-escaped/news-story/86fc734df0963e21fe038c0eecce7d80
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August 19, 2017 11:08pm
Manolo

Fighting for his life:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/18/trump-can-rebound-politcally-and-probably-will–again-commentary.html
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August 20, 2017 5:58am
realityczech

Not again !

Labour has been busted in another art fraud involving their rich elitist supporters.

Artworks used to funnel secret donors’ contributions to the Labour Party

The Labour Party is hiding tens of thousands of dollars in donations behind over-inflated art auctions – and naming the artists as donors instead of the secret individuals handing over the big bucks.

The artists had no idea the party was naming them as the donors – they never saw a cent of the money. They say their works are auctioned off at well above market value to wealthy benefactors who want to keep their support for the party secret.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95891686/artworks-used-to-funnel-secret-donors-contributions-to-the-labour-party
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August 20, 2017 8:32am
starboard

Liabor, corruption and dodgy dealings go hand in hand.
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August 20, 2017 9:42am
starboard

…yes they do
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August 20, 2017 9:54am
Manolo

The Wallabies are comedy gold… as in green and gold.
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