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Happychappy

Has Winston run a internal poll yet to see how many want him to be the Prime Minister because he might as well with all his policy announcements aim to increase the amount others have promised.
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July 4, 2017 8:09am
- big bruv
  
  I cannot stand Winston Peters, as far as I am concerned he still owes us all $158,000.
  However, if were to make as a bottom line in any coalition negotiations a total ban on Islamic immigration I would hold my nose and vote for the prick.
  
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  July 4, 2017 9:07am
  - peterwn
    
    He will not make it a bottom line, this diminishes his negotiating power too much. Labour/ Greens will not accept it as a bottom line and the National negotiators would realise this. In reality he would try and negotiate immigration and both contenders will agree to something, but not to all Winston wants.
    So the practical effect of voting Winston is there would be a 50/50 chance of a Labour/Green government supported by Winston with only a minor curb on Muslim immigration.
    The Machiavellian side of me would favour a Labour/Green/ Winston government to help clear the air. Winston would curb their left wing excesses.
    
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    July 4, 2017 10:35am
  - Prince
    
    Along with his other policies ?
    = Close charter schools.
    = Abolish National Standards.
    = Remove Student Debt for ‘locals’ and provide universal student allowance.
    = Minimum wage to $17 immediately
    = GST off food and rates
    = Keep Super at 65
    
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    July 4, 2017 12:51pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Notice his new campaign bus in the media. Guessing it’s ethanol fuelled.
  
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  July 4, 2017 3:19pm
kowtow

Look at what’s happening in Sweden. Trump was pilloried by the lying media for that.

“Two out of three men injured in a shooting in Malmö last night have been able to leave hospital.”

https://www.thelocal.se/20170703/three-men-injured-in-malmo-shooting-holma

Other reports from Sweden this weekend state a music festival cancelled due to sex assaults and that they have 2000 violent Muslim extremists.

Look at Sweden. Isn’t multiculturalism wonderful?
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July 4, 2017 8:11am
- EAD_TWO
  
  @ Kowtow,
  
  rather than look at the symptoms of the multicultural madness that is bringing in hordes of 3rd world savages, people need to ask how and why Sweden went from being the most peaceful and prosperous country in the World to 2nd in rape statistics behind Lesotho:
  
  https://redice.tv/news/how-and-why-sweden-became-multicultural
  
  Excerpt:
  
  As late as 1965, the social democratic Prime Minister of Sweden Tage Erlander said: “We Swedes live in an infinitely luckier situation. Our country’s population is homogeneous, not only in terms of race, but also in many other respects.” The demographic transformation of Sweden did not just happen to happen. It was a direct result of political decisions, which in turn could be undertaken because of some actor’s conscious agenda and very active advocacy in the 1960s and 1970s. Earlier, Sweden had an approach towards immigrants and ethnic minorities that was based either on expulsion or assimilation. Immigrants who were ethnically and culturally closely related would assimilate while non-European immigrants, Gypsies and Sami would be excluded from the community. Now, however, suddenly a new approach prevailed: Sweden would become a pluralistic multicultural society and the multicultural paradigm would become the overall goal of Swedish culture, politics and society.
  
  Another article:
  http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/01/14/the-jewish-origins-of-multiculturalism-in-sweden/
  
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  July 4, 2017 8:50am
  - kowtow
    
    “Multiculturalism” was imposed on the Swedes by their political class in the ’70s.
    
    Now they’ve had a good taste of its joys and dividends their politicians or at least some of them are waking up.
    
    “A fresh opinion poll from Sweden’s largest statistics agency suggests that the anti-immigration Sweden Democrats have taken the lead over the opposition Moderate Party as Sweden’s second-largest political party.”
    
    https://www.thelocal.se/20170601/anti-immigration-sweden-democrats-overtake-moderates-as-swedens-second-largest-party-poll
    
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    July 4, 2017 8:58am
  - mara
    
    Modern progressive Swedish feminism has turned women into babies and men into women. Sweden is now incapable of resisting its cultural disintegration. We should learn the lesson but most likely will not.
    
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    July 4, 2017 10:09am
G152

He’s searched through the bottom of many bottles to answer this question.
PM = pissed man..
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July 4, 2017 8:11am
- holysheet
  
  PDM pissed dwarf man
  
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  July 4, 2017 8:22am
  - pdm
    
    Is using my nom de plume plagiarism or identity theft? lol.
    
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    July 4, 2017 8:26am
    - holysheet
      
      I always thought you were winston first.
      
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      July 4, 2017 8:29am
      - pdm
        
        Holy hell holysheet!!
        
        That is the ultimate insult.
        
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        July 4, 2017 8:39am
      - thedavincimode
        
        You could get a strike for that sort of gratuitous abuse.
        
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        July 4, 2017 8:40am
      - Biscuit
        
        Since it seems to be pdm-bashing day:
        
        pdm ain’t Winston: Winston has (occasional) bouts of sanity!
        
        Not my face, pdm, not my pretty face!
        
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        July 4, 2017 8:52am
      - holysheet
        
        Sorry, I was a bit discombobulated at the thought of the drunken dwarf being anywhere in the position of deciding the next govt..
        
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        July 4, 2017 8:56am
- peterwn
  
  He does have the self-discipline to avoid compromising himself. If he had a serious drink problem he would make a real fool of himself and lose support.
  
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  July 4, 2017 10:18am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Have you seen his performance in question time recently?
    
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    July 4, 2017 3:23pm
kowtow

I don’t like Elton John but this is taking things a little too far.

“A teenager who plotted to bomb an Elton John concert on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks has been jailed for life.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/03/teen-jailed-life-plotting-bomb-elton-john-concert/
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July 4, 2017 8:21am
- VicParking
  
  Whats your like or not of Elton got to do with your story
  
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  July 4, 2017 8:26am
- holysheet
  
  Without even looking at that link you can guess correctly the religion of the creep.
  Oh for the diversity dividend to show its self in a positive way. Sometime in the next century maybe?
  
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  July 4, 2017 8:26am
- Inandout
  
  Elton is openly in a gay marriage. This is enough for any bearded Muslim to flip.
  
  This idiot was your typical Islamist youth.
  
  https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/04/uk-muslim-teen-plotted-jihad-massacre-at-elton-john-concert
  
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  July 4, 2017 8:45am
- Rich Prick
  
  But , he was a lone wolf not a proper Muslim , none of our 50,000 Muslims are doing it . Here we go again a call for a deluded world wide ban on 1.6 billion muslims . Deluded Trumpists .
  
  LOL..
  
  No, I don’t make a very good stephie.
  
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  July 4, 2017 9:24am
  - holysheet
    
    And we give thanks to allah every day RP. Thats appropiate being the forth of july and all that.
    
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    July 4, 2017 9:30am
  - Inandout
    
    Oh that name stephie. I bet he will have an avalanche of material ready when he is released from purgatory.
    
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    July 4, 2017 9:34am
- mara
  
  I disagree. All bomb plotters should be jailed for life, or whatever is considered ‘life” in The UK these days. I would throw away the key.
  
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  July 4, 2017 10:18am
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Auckland’s housing shortage to become catastrophic – MacroBusines Australias

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/aucklands-housing-shortage-become-catastrophic/

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/aucklands-housing-shortage-become-catastrophic/#comment-2907733

Hugh PavletichMEMBER
July 4, 2017 at 5:08 am

THERE IS HOPE …

New Zealand General Election 23 September this year …

Housing Policies – New Zealand Labour Party

http://www.labour.org.nz/housing

… extract …

Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out

Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.
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Following the passing of the Resource Management Amendment Act back March, Bernard Hickey of Newsroom reported …

https://pro.newsroom.co.nz/articles/1629-newsroom-pro-s-8-things-at-8-trolling-millennials-is-easy-defamation-retrials-loom

7. Just in case you missed it…

One curious coda to the RMA debate that concluded last week was that the Opposition parties plus ACT and United Future all voted again during the third reading debate for amendments that would have abolished Rural Urban Growth Boundaries and allowed the financing of infrastructure bonds paid for with targeted rates.

The amendments were defeated by National and the Maori Party.

The irony of a Government that has railed against restrictions on land development by councils voting against removing those restrictions should be noted. And also that the proposal for infrastructure bonds was backed by the right-leaning New Zealand Initiative and voted for by the Greens and Labour. Strange times indeed.
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July 4, 2017 8:27am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  Housing affordability, supply issues dominate Kiwi concerns … NZ Adviser
  
  http://www.nzadviseronline.co.nz/news/housing-affordability-supply-issues-dominate-kiwi-concerns-238272.aspx
  
  New research shows that war and terrorism are the top global concerns of Kiwis but many domestic fears involve housing. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  Access additional polling reporting … http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
  
  March 2017 report …
  
  The NZ homeowners who hate high house prices are revealed in Labour polling | Stuff.co.nz
  
  http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/90244287/The-NZ-homeowners-who-hate-high-house-prices-are-revealed-in-Labour-polling
  
  NZ Building & Construction Minister Dr Nick Smith May 2016 …
  
  beehive.govt.nz – Labour support on city limits (abolition) welcomed
  
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/labour-support-city-limits-welcomed
  
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  July 4, 2017 8:29am
  - lifesgood
    
    I’m getting the very strong impression you live in a doss house HP. Perhaps you should spend some time working and saving for a home instead of ranting on here.
    
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    July 4, 2017 8:44am
  - cmm
    
    Is Hugh just Penny with a dress?
    
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    July 4, 2017 8:47am
    - Biscuit
      
      cmm, I don’t believe I have seen a full-frontal (ain’t that some imagery for you?) of Penny.
      
      Is she a dress-wearer?
      
      For some reason I keep picturing her in a Clark-or-Clinton-style pants-suit…
      
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      July 4, 2017 8:56am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Penny has a fine sense of style… she wouldn’t be seen dead in a clintonesque pant suit.
        
        here’s some pics… (with her fur ?hat)
        https://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/tag/penny-bright/
        
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        July 4, 2017 9:13am
      - pdm
        
        Doesn’t she wear a beret?
        
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        July 4, 2017 9:32am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Penny has a catholic taste in headwear
        https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1394683715/232/9825232.jpg
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2016/07/penny-bright-loses-appeal-over-34k-in-unpaid-rates/_jcr_content/par/image.img.jpg
        
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        July 4, 2017 9:39am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        @ Maggy
        
        Please don’t use the word catholic ( even with a small c) when describing Penny. As a Catholic, I find it most disturbing. ( Other words, as discussed before, that start with a c may be quite OK).
        
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        July 4, 2017 10:10am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        ‘Is Hugh just Penny with a dress?’
        
        Welders helmet, hard to tell them apart when they stand together, both hemorrhoids but for different reasons
        
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        July 4, 2017 10:33am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Nick Smith says housing affordability is in the eye of the beholder; Defends government’s track record on Auckland affordable housing supply; Says can’t regulate prices in SHA developments, despite desire for 10% affordable | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88610/nick-smith-says-housing-affordability-eye-beholder-defends-government%E2%80%99s-track-record
        
        Nick Smith has defended the government’s track record on boosting Auckland’s affordable housing supply, while admitting affordability levels in the city are not at satisfactory levels.
        
        The Building and Construction Minister was speaking on Radio NZ about a story that despite the Auckland Housing Accord stipulating 10% of any Special Housing Area development must be ‘affordable’, the Council didn’t in fact have any figures or idea of what prices these houses had been sold for – or whether the houses had even been built.
        
        Smith said the purpose of the SHAs was primarily focussed on increasing supply in Auckland, not on regulating prices of the houses built. “The Productivity Commission, the independent hearings panel and the Auckland Council all concluded that trying to regulate house prices through the resource consenting process was a nonsense,” he said. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 4, 2017 12:02pm
      - cmm
        
        “Nick Smith says housing affordability is in the eye of the beholder”
        
        He’s correct.
        
        People turn their noses up at what people would have lived in two or three generations ago.
        
        Look at Cotons Cottage. It was considered pretty flash for its time. A whole 5 rooms (no, not bedrooms) including an attic bedroom for a family!
        
        Look at old Maori houses made of ponga and reeds. A family lived in a single roomed house, jsut the way they still do in many areas of Africa, PNG etc.
        
        Now I’m not saying people should not want to live in bigger and better houses, but people have lives in cheaper structures for tens of thousands of years. It’s just modern snowflakes that cannot cope!
        
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        July 4, 2017 12:18pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … WHAT A SHAMBLES ! …
        
        … NO WONDER THE HOUSING DEBACLE IS THE NUMBER ONE PUBLIC CONCERN …
        
        … Poor Nick Smith doesn’t have a clue whats going on …
        
        Council, government not keeping track of new affordable housing in Auckland … Stuff NZ
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/94359111/Council-government-not-keeping-track-of-new-affordable-housing-in-Auckland?cid=app-iPad
        
        An exasperated Nick Smith says he’s “not a miracle man”, as the Government faces more questions over affordable housing in Auckland.
        
        The building and construction minister told RNZ it was not his job to monitor how many new builds in the city met the affordable threshold.
        
        Auckland Council also ducked questions about how authorities could confirm whether property developers were meeting their obligations under the Housing Accord. … listen and read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 4, 2017 12:49pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hugh, it’s clear the Auckland Council is incompetent.
        Do you think the Council should be taken over by the Government?
        what are your solutions btw?
        
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        July 4, 2017 12:59pm
    - holysheet
      
      Nah even Penny eventually got the message that her crap posts weren’t well liked on KB. Hugh is too thick to take the hints from the hundreds of downticks.
      
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      July 4, 2017 9:00am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        NEW ZEALAND AFFORDABLE HOUSING: WHAT PART OF ‘3.0’ DOESN’T NICK SMITH UNDERSTAND ?
        
        Housing affordability ‘in the eye of the beholder’ – Minister | Radio New Zealand News
        
        http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/334454/housing-affordability-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder-minister
        
        … extract …
        
        … The Building and Housing Minister Nick Smith told Morning report today that the definition of affordability was “very much in the eye of the beholder”. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        2017 13th Annual demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
        
        http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
        
        DEFINITION OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING MARKET … http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …
        
        For metropolitan areas to rate as ‘affordable’ and ensure that housing bubbles are not triggered, housing prices should not exceed three times gross annual household earnings. To allow this to occur, new starter housing of an acceptable quality to the purchasers, with associated commercial and industrial development, must be allowed to be provided on the urban fringes at 2.5 times the gross annual median household income of that urban market (refer Demographia Survey Schedules for guidance).
        
        The critically important Development Ratios for this new fringe starter housing, should be 17 – 23% serviced lot / section cost – the balance the actual housing construction.
        
        Ideally through a normal building cycle, the Median Multiple should move from a Floor Multiple of 2.3, through a Swing Multiple of 2.5 to a Ceiling Multiple of 2.7 – to ensure maximum stability and optimal medium and long term performance of the residential construction sector.
        
        … To illustrate … Auckland example (h/t GF & MR) … this is NOT AFFORDABLE Nick Smith …
        
        http://www.trademe.co.nz/property/residential-property-for-sale/auction-1338386026.htm
        
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        July 5, 2017 2:28am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … while these Pulte Homes examples from Phoenix Arizona (h/t GF) ARE AFFORDABLE …
        
        https://pulte.com/homes/arizona/phoenix/florence/parkside-at-anthem-at-merrill-ranch-7739#CommunityDetailsView
        
        … Nick Smith needs to check out the other simple industry structural measure, the ‘consent rates per 1000 population per annum’ May results for local government ‘star performers’ Selwyn (29.05); Tauranga (15.80); Waimakariri (11.58) on the one hand … and the bureaucratically bloated basket cases on the other hand being Christchurch (7.20); Auckland (6.57); Wellington (3.86) …
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/general_debate_30_june_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1960805
        
        … No wonder within a Ministry of Business, Innovation & Employment Regional Economic Report last November, it was found the compound employment growth nationally these past 10 years was 1.4% annually … with Waimakariri District 4 times that and Selwyn District a stratospheric 7 times that … and the bureaucratic basket case the Christchurch Council Area just a quarter that.
        
        Not surprisingly … people and businesses flee bureaucratic basket case local authority areas and locate in smaller and therefore functional ones.
        
        Why have you failed to learn these simple economic realities Nick Smith ?
        
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        July 5, 2017 2:31am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Housing affordability, supply issues dominate Kiwi concerns … NZ Adviser
      
      http://www.nzadviseronline.co.nz/news/housing-affordability-supply-issues-dominate-kiwi-concerns-238272.aspx
      
      New research shows that war and terrorism are the top global concerns of Kiwis but many domestic fears involve housing. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
      New Zealanders’ concerns highlighted in run to election: Poverty and the gap between the rich and poor is the single biggest issue facing us and the World, according to new survey | interest.co.nz
      
      http://www.interest.co.nz/news/88590/new-zealanders%E2%80%99-concerns-highlighted-run-election-poverty-and-gap-between-rich-and-poor
      
      New in-depth research exploring the concerns of New Zealanders both in New Zealand and globally found New Zealanders, like Australians, are concerned about war and terrorism on the global front.
      
      But at home in the run-up to this year’s election it’s all about the economy especially housing affordability, housing shortages, cost of living, inflation, unemployment and homelessness. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      July 4, 2017 12:22pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … AND WHAT A SHAMBLES IT IS NICK SMITH …
        
        … Current Important Housing Issues Information … just in case you had missed it …
        
        … There are massive demographic shifts and changes currently underway …
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_2_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1962033
        
        Sorry GJ Gardner … the days of high multiple lending for artificially inflated land / property are over … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_2_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1962036
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_2_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1961935
        
        G J GARDNER AND THE MASTER BUILDERS FEDERATION NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT WAS HIGH MULTIPLE LENDING THAT DID IN THE IRISH BANKS … read more via hyperlink above
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/general_debate_30_june_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1960805
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_1_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1961287
        
        NEW ZEALAND: BASIC ‘NUTS & BOLTS’
        HOUSING PERFORMANCE INFORMATION REQUIRED
        
        The selected residential consent numbers May for the following territorial areas were … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 4, 2017 1:05pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        All On red … there are two types of local government in this world … the small and the bad.
        
        I spelled it out really clearly within this mid last year … RESTORING HOUSING AFFORDABILITY – AN ADVOCATES TAE …
        
        http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/definition-of-affordable-housing.html
        
        We only have to read the May Stats NZ Building Consents … in particular the ‘consents rate per 1000 population per annum’.
        
        What lessons are being learnt from the ‘star performer’ smaller local government units of Selwyn, Tauranga and Waimakariri ?
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/general_debate_30_june_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1960805
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_1_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1961287
        
        NEW ZEALAND: BASIC ‘NUTS & BOLTS’
        HOUSING PERFORMANCE INFORMATION REQUIRED
        
        The selected residential consent numbers May for the following territorial areas were … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 4, 2017 1:21pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … The housing bubble is bursting …
        
        … The wider public has lost confidence in the system and the market… Nick Smith has seen to that …
        
        Average prices on Realestate.co.nz dropped in 10 out of 19 districts in June. Auckland’s average price down by $73,639 since February | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88569/average-prices-realestateconz-dropped-10-out-19-districts-june-aucklands-average
        
        The housing market is feeling the winter blues, with average asking prices of homes newly advertised for sale on Realesate.co.nz falling in a majority of districts in June.
        
        The national average asking price dropped from $642,478 in May to $626,889 in June, with declines recorded in 10 regions (Northland, Auckland, Manawatu/Whanganui, Wellington, Nelson, Marlborough, West Coast, Canterbury, Otago and Central Otago/Lakes) and rises recorded in nine (Waikato, Coromandel, Bay of Plenty, Gisborne, Hawkes Bay, Taranaki, Central North Island, Wairarapa and Southland).
        
        In Auckland the average asking price dropped from $956,267 in May to $905,013 in June, which was the fourth straight month in which it has declined since it peaked at $978,652 in February, a drop of $73,639 in four months.
        
        In Wellington it dropped from $568,493 in May to $541,298 in June and in Canterbury it declined from $492,551 in May to $461,351 in June. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 4, 2017 1:28pm
      - niggly
        
        Blimmin heck, these repetitive cut and paste postings are now creating a health and safety issue … readers are suffering from finger-RSI now from having to continuously swipe down on their tablets and ipads!
        
        Might now be time to fix those busted scroll wheels instead? 🙁
        
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        July 4, 2017 1:39pm
    - Gabby
      
      You missing the kraal cmmie bokkie? You might want to compare life expectancies of real houses vs reed hut dwellers.
      
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      July 4, 2017 12:44pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … Canada’s Garth Turner of The Greater Fool blog describes how bubbles burst best I think …
        
        Garth Turner … Canada … The Greater Fool Blog
        
        http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/05/01/mayday-2/
        
        … extract …
        
        … That’s the funny thing about bubbles. Everybody’s horny to get their hands on rising assets – until they’re not. It always happens fast, whatever the asset and no matter the trigger. Greed is a powerful emotion, but it wilts before the dominance of fear. If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline), they’ll cease making the Herculean sacrifice required to buy one. And down she goes. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
        
        http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
        
        … Greater Toronto, Canada’s largest metro with a population of about 6.6 million and a housing affordability median multiple of 7.7 (refer Demographia Survey below) house prices have crashed 12% these past two months …
        
        Toronto House Prices Have Already Fallen 12% From Their Peak … Huffington Post
        
        http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/06/21/toronto-house-prices-have-already-fallen-12-from-their-peak_a_22528595/
        
        The slowdown in Greater Toronto’s housing market this spring appears to be more than a one-month blip.
        
        Sales in the country’s largest housing market have fallen by half, compared to the same period a year earlier, according to real estate board data obtained by Bloomberg.
        
        The Toronto Real Estate Board counted 2,999 sales in the first two weeks of June, while new listings jumped 22 per cent.
        
        While the average selling price for all properties was still up by 6.7 per cent from a year ago, it’s down from a peak it hit in April — the last month before the Ontario government announced tougher new housing regulations, including a 15-per-cent foreign buyers’ tax.
        
        The average price of $808,847 in early June is down from a peak of $920,791 in April, a decline of more than 12 per cent in a few months’ time. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 4, 2017 2:49pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Niggly … a change of approach specially for you ….
        
        Check out the schedule of Dem Surveys at my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org to see how the average unweighted median multiples across the Irish metros went in 2007 from 4.7 to a few years later 2.8 … putting all their Banks to the wall … requiring a 70 billion euro plus of bailouts … about $109 billion New Zealand.
        
        It was the high multiple lending that did their Banks in according to the Central Bank of Ireland research a few years later. They then imposed a 3.5 times annual household income general cap.
        
        As the Dem Surveys illustrate housing prices in normal markets don’t exceed 3.0 time requiring mortgage loads of about 2.5 times.
        
        The Aussie metros are currently about 5.5 … the NZ ones about 5.9. Check this years Dm Survey schedules.
        
        Note the total bubble value of our housing market is a whopping $1 NZ trillion according to Core Logic … and our Banks capital base an extremely skinny $NZ 30 billion.
        
        Roughly $NZ500 – $600 billion of artificial bubble value to wipe out.
        
        It wont only be the bubble value wiped out of course.
        
        Can you tell us here on Kiwiblog why our Banks could be more resilient than the Irish ones ?
        
        What was the capital base of the Irish Banks in 2007 ?
        
        For Nick Smiths benefit, here is a simple structural definition of an affordable housing market via http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …
        
        DEFINITION OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING MARKET
        
        For metropolitan areas to rate as ‘affordable’ and ensure that housing bubbles are not triggered, housing prices should not exceed three times gross annual household earnings. To allow this to occur, new starter housing of an acceptable quality to the purchasers, with associated commercial and industrial development, must be allowed to be provided on the urban fringes at 2.5 times the gross annual median household income of that urban market (refer Demographia Survey Schedules for guidance).
        
        The critically important Development Ratios for this new fringe starter housing, should be 17 – 23% serviced lot / section cost – the balance the actual housing construction.
        
        Ideally through a normal building cycle, the Median Multiple should move from a Floor Multiple of 2.3, through a Swing Multiple of 2.5 to a Ceiling Multiple of 2.7 – to ensure maximum stability and optimal medium and long term performance of the residential construction sector.
        
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        July 4, 2017 3:17pm
      - cmm
        
        Gabby, sweetie
        
        I like living in a nice house, but I don’t consider it a “right” to expect other people to furnish me with that house.
        
        And yes, I have hived for a few months in a house not much better than kraal-like conditions. No electricity or running water. Had to fetch water from a stream about 2-300 metres away.
        
        I have also lived for months in a tent – not much different.
        
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        July 4, 2017 4:28pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        What happens to us if Australia ramps up its detached new housing production … and we dont or cant ? …
        
        Bear in mind housing affordability in NZ is worse … refer top graphs http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …
        
        The one thing all voters agree on: the bubble – MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/one-thing-voters-agree-bubble/
        
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        July 4, 2017 4:53pm
waikatogirl

Gareth TOP Mad Cat Morgan wants to push the drinking age back up to 20. I guess if everyone is stoned they won’t need to drink. ?
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July 4, 2017 8:29am
- peterwn
  
  Yes, that will push back some of his young vote to Labour/ Greens. Pity, I am hoping he gets 4.9% of the vote.
  
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  July 4, 2017 10:23am
VicParking

If you ask the right question you will get the answer you are after.
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July 4, 2017 8:29am
EAD_TWO

Headline today:

“A new poll shows that a majority of the country think the economic and political system are rigged against them”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94335554/over-half-of-kiwis-think-politics-and-the-economy-are-rigged-against-them

People need to look at the monetary system as the root cause = as perhaps the greatest industrialist and honourable men of the 20th century, Henry Ford famously said:

It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.

Or as one of Kiwiblogs favourite columnists, Jo Nova noted in this article that if you want to know the root cause of the corruption and wealth disparity – look at the nature of our currency.

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/03/the-ground-zero-of-global-corruption-it-starts-with-the-currency/

When people have got to borrow money that a Banker can literally create out of thin air, and then spend 30 years of their live repaying, you’d have to agree that most people despite thinking they are “free”, are actually modern day slaves:

Money is a new form of slavery, which differs form the old only in being impersonal, and in freeing people from all the human relations of the slave. – Leo Tolstoy
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July 4, 2017 8:30am
- Gruffydd
  
  So Joe is as batshit crazy as you are.
  Who would have thought.
  
  If the currency created is not back by the perception of value on the world market it tanks.
  If it retains its value we can assume the money supply increase was backed by a positive perception of the economic situation in the county it was issued in.
  Money is no different than gold both simply have an agreed value in their respective market.
  
  In NZ we have the situation where the money created is being placed in the housing market on the expectation of an ever increasing capital gain without any increase of the return from the asset .
  Rents do not cover the cost of borrowing, rates and other outgoings.
  The ever increasing capital gain is created by councils, at the stoke of the pen, limiting the supply of new land at the same time immigration settings are increasing demand.
  I see risks.
  If the cost of borrowing rises the over extended investors collapse. This floods the market with cheap mortgage sales .
  From this we get a massive correction and huge amounts of wealth dissipates on the whims of the market.
  We face a global rescission and employment contracts leaving many unable to subsidize their investments resulting in mortgage sales. From this…….
  
  Those with a balanced portfolio of investments can weather or even profit from this storm .
  Those who have most of their wealth in housing not so good.
  
  We have seen the bubble burst before ……
  
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  July 4, 2017 9:14am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    If it retains its value we can assume the money supply increase was backed by a positive perception of the economic situation in the county it was issued in.
    
    But the problem though is that the currency hasn’t retained it’s value has it? It is constantly inflated away at about 2-5% per year from all that money that Banks create out of thin air.
    
    Two litres of Milk is now $4.80 whereas a a generation ago it was under $2.
    
    Milk hasn’t got more expensive, our currency is worth less because Banks and Government “borrowing” has created so much of it.
    
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    July 4, 2017 8:56pm
Dafixeruppa

There are a number of people commenting on the stuffed site about how with house prices being unaffordable we need to vote out National and let the Watermelons trash house pricing to make it affordable for those that don’t have housing.
What they completely fail to grasp is that a very large proportion of house owners have their entire savings tied up in their house instead of other savings schemes.
If you trash the values, then ALL of these people lose EVERYTHING. This means that suddenly we have to find even more money to support them in retirement.
So why would anybody who owns a property, business or anything that contains their savings, ever want to vote for a set of clowns that will cause you to lose everything?
Only the minority that won’t try to lift themselves up and the intellectually challenged who can’t understand the consequences would do that.
Until the incumbent does something that starts to impact on the pockets of the masses, the opposition in any form will remain the opposition.
It is a pity that reality economics is not taught at school.
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July 4, 2017 8:33am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Fixerupper,
  
  get out of the “left vs right” mindset. Both parties are complicit in the “system” that screws you over. You refer to “Watermelons” – what the hell do you think National has been doing whilst in power?!
  
  Take immigration as an example – both parties are just as complicit in allowing mega rich foreigners to come in here and buy up huge swathes of land and top end properties thus driving prices well beyond the means of locals.
  
  At the other end, they are both complicit in opening up the flood gates so that there is huge competition for low wage jobs thus keeping wages low.
  
  Add on top of that our debt as money system, an advertising industry in tandem with the MSM that promotes a shallow lifestyle of endless mindless consumption, an expensive and unsustainable welfare system that require huge taxation and inflation – “the system” is indeed rotten to the core.
  
  Your problem, as well as all the mindless drones commentating on the Stuff website is that you can’t frame the debate in something other than a National vs. Labour debate.
  
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  July 4, 2017 8:40am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    You missed the point.
    National has no intention of trashing house prices and causing a house and land values crash.
    Labour and Greens, (Red and green give you a watermelon), plan to.
    
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    July 4, 2017 8:57am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      You missed my point – The parties are the same and what sort of “system” is it when the cost of living becomes cheaper (sorry house price crash as the Herald calls it).
      
      Think Venezuela – a country is actually poor when the cost of living is high relative to wages.?
      
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      July 4, 2017 9:10am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        EDIT to my comment above….
        
        what sort of “system” is it when for an economy to be healthy, the cost of living must become more and more expensive?
        
        In a truly healthy economy, goods and services become cheaper relative to incomes.
        
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        July 4, 2017 8:58pm
- waikatogirl
  
  An ignorant, jealous person once told me, “It serves them right having money to invest”! ?
  
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  July 4, 2017 8:43am
- Gabby
  
  They don’t lose everything, they still have their houses dafukkauppa.
  
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  July 4, 2017 12:47pm
holysheet

Hey ztev, when are you going to answer my questions posted yesterday. Grow a pair and do the right thing. We really really really would like your learned answers please.
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July 4, 2017 8:33am
- holysheet
  
  Just in case you missed them yesterday, here they are again.
  
  Question for ztev from Sunday 2 july
  Still awaiting your answer
  
  Well here’s your chance to get the facts out on the table ztev. You seem to know all about this.
  Answer the following.
  Who was the donor?
  Was it taxpayer money channeled through some social service provider?
  At the time this was set up, was Matt McCarten working for labour on the taxpayers dime?
  Your answers please.
  When?
  
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  July 4, 2017 8:49am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg
    
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    July 4, 2017 11:40am
- Biscuit
  
  If its ‘Wish For Something That Ain’t Gonna Happen Day’, holysheet, can I jump in?
  
  I’d like:
  
  A Liverpool ‘double’ – Premiership and Champions League – in the upcoming season
  
  Some boffin to discover a grass that just sits there and looks pretty and doesn’t need mowing on cold-but-fine Wellington mornings
  
  Some more (burp!) of those divine Jaffa Lumps that Countdown (for one) has been selling this week
  
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  July 4, 2017 9:01am
  - big bruv
    
    Biscuit
    
    There is far more chance of a Grass that does not need mowing and for you to be given an endless supply of Jaffa Lumps than there ever is of the Anfield Scum winning anything that matters. 🙂
    
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    July 4, 2017 9:15am
  - Happychappy
    
    Ha ha that’s got as much chance as Little has of becoming Prime Minister.
    
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    July 4, 2017 9:30am
pdm

Hey Biscuit – guess who whacked you with the first downtick on your 8.52 effort.
No need.

IT WAS ME!!!!!!
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July 4, 2017 8:56am
- Biscuit
  
  Careful, pdm, I might go and add another thing to my Wish List:
  
  pdm’s typing fingers to be ever-so-slightly smashed-up.
  
  Where ARE my pliers, eh?
  
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  July 4, 2017 9:03am
  - pdm
    
    Biscuit I think some people are becoming concerned about our jousting here.
    
    I am not responsible for any of the 3 downticks showing as I type with mangled fingers – lol.
    
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    July 4, 2017 9:36am
    - Biscuit
      
      No worries, pdm.
      
      I enter chatrooms for a bit of idle amusement and harmless banter.
      
      I certainly don’t expect to persuade others that their opinions are wrong and that mine are right, heh heh.
      
      (Has anyone in a chatroom EVER said ‘My God, xxx, you make SUCH a good point. I have clearly been deluded all this time. You are right. I am wrong, Best wishes to you. Have some Jaffa lumps.’)
      
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      July 4, 2017 10:04am
      - pdm
        
        Send the Jaffa Lumps up – either type will do.
        
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        July 4, 2017 3:28pm
Bullion

How consistent is DPF? Let’s see if he puts the boot into the National’s policy too:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94328077/big-housing-boost-for-lower-hutt-as-the-fight-for-hutt-south-seat-heats-up

The Government will announce today that it will build and refurbish more than 700 houses in the Hutt Valley over the next five years.

When this is what he had to say about the very similar proposal from Labour:
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/04/labours_hutt_scam.html

The vacant Housing NZ land should be built on. But Labour’s numbers are as credible as well all their other numbers.

It simply is not possible.
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July 4, 2017 8:58am
- marquess
  
  Well you see 330 is less than 400 and It’s Different When The Left Do It so I think that explains everything and the people of lower hutt need to listen to dear leader and vote ~~Hodor~~ Chris Bishop
  
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  July 4, 2017 9:11am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I always thought that Hodor was an inspirational loyal character, dogged in determination, I am sure Bishop would be flattered. First nice thing I think I have seen you post. 😉
    
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    July 4, 2017 9:27am
    - marquess
      
      I only ever post from a place of nice things
      
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      July 4, 2017 9:42am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        I am happy for you, I didn’t think that you had a ‘happy’ place at all!!
        
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        July 4, 2017 10:35am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        If you look like that are you mis-named?
        Identity is such a fraught and fragile thing.
        I understand now why you are so confused.
        It might help if you voted National. Sorted.
        
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        July 4, 2017 12:28pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Well the poor snowflakes Ginny Anderson can’t have it both ways complaining about not enough Housing dictatated by her beloved Leader and Hypocrite Andrew Little and then be a crybaby saying this is vote catching by National. Labour oppose any solution that is put forward and then call it pork barrel politics when the Government do something about their constant whinging.
    
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    July 4, 2017 10:14am
    - ztev
      
      Opposed what? They thought of it first!
      When it comes to housing national hasnt kept any promises over the last 3 , why would ‘ the next 5 years’ be any different
      
      Bishop must be running scared that his globetrotting arse will be grounded for good
      
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      July 4, 2017 10:40am
      - holysheet
        
        Good to see you are back ztev.
        Did you miss my questions above AGAIN???
        
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        July 4, 2017 10:49am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        They thought of it first? What? Does that give someone dibs, even if true. Variations of an evolving theme.
        Building on available land?
        Following due process?
        Governing?
        If any parliamentarian comes up with a good practice why wouldn’t a pragmatic government adopt it, adapt it, at least acknowledge it.
        Those parliamentarians not in government at the very least should be putting forward proposals to be considered for the betterment of the country as a whole, instead they seem to be anally retentive.
        You come across as if someone, wearing blue, stole your lollipop as a child and you have been crying ever since.
        
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        July 4, 2017 12:38pm
Manolo

The whining increases:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/340318-media-reaps-dividends-from-trump-attacks?rnd=1499075211
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July 4, 2017 9:01am
Paulus

I am amused in that the Washington Post’s baby paper the Auckland Herald is take in verbatim from it’s mother the report that the Media has the right to violently denigrate their President and take exception to the fact that he hits back.
Of Course the so called media say that the standard of media representation has been lowered by their President’s behavior.
Nothing in taking some responsibility for the fact that Clinton, who bought, them failed to get elected under the US Constitution.
I am sure there’s a parallel here and now prevalent.
But they do not have the money that the US media have at their disposal.
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July 4, 2017 9:09am
Albert_Ross

OK, so this is now quite old, but I’ve only just come across it and thought it would amuse you

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/aug/11/devastated-by-my-sons-tattoo
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July 4, 2017 9:26am
- 4077th
  
  The mother is right to be aggrieved although a little OTT with her reaction. What an utterly ridiculous act drawing all over one’s self with permanent ink. It’s staggering the number of people with “body art” around these days like it’s some sort of fashion statement. Just foolish and pointless.
  
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  July 4, 2017 9:47am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    What if the tattoo said Mum, then there might be issues.
    
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    July 4, 2017 10:36am
  - Fletch
    
    Yep. Once upon a time only sailors and other fringe people got tattoos. It used to be a sign you were dangerous, edgy, and counter-culture. Nowadays it’s as much an accessory for teenage girls as the latest iPhone.
    
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    July 4, 2017 11:42am
    - namron
      
      I detest all graffiti – on fences, arms, faces, lamp posts, legs, walls, backs etc.
      
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      July 4, 2017 12:16pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        No REGERTS!
        
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        July 4, 2017 3:35pm
      - GazzaW
        
        They will be a tragic sight as the skin and muscle tone starts to sag, the ink fade and tattoos just a memory of a fad that happened twenty years ago. Shrill cries will be heard for tattoo removal to be covered under public health. Young cosmetic surgeons have no cause for concern for their retirement funds.
        
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        July 4, 2017 3:51pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      I found out that one of my great uncles from Palmerston North and who died at Gallipoli had a bucking bronco tattoo. He was a farm boy turned delivery person, hardly fringe,
      
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      July 4, 2017 1:00pm
- Gabby
  
  She really wanted a girl. A pretty little girly girl to dress up and show off.
  
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  July 4, 2017 1:07pm
- Longknives
  
  “What an utterly ridiculous act drawing all over one’s self with permanent ink.”
  
  You miserable old sods need to live a little!
  
  http://thechive.com/2017/05/25/girls-with-tattoos-is-always-a-good-way-to-end-your-thursday-37-photos/
  
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  July 4, 2017 1:10pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    In such exalted company I am almost ashamed to say that I have a tattoo. I am pretty sure that it was not the tattoos that are the attraction though lol.
    Unlike many, I have always been happy with the one.
    
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    July 4, 2017 9:50pm
Manolo

Worth a read:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/liberal-fever-swamps/530736/

Last month, Democratic Senator Ed Markey delivered what seemed like an explosive bit of news during an interview with CNN: A grand jury had been impaneled in New York, he said, to investigate the Trump campaign’s alleged collusion with Russia.

The only problem: It wasn’t true.
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July 4, 2017 9:31am
- All_on_Red
  
  The backing down continues…
  ‘The Associated Press “clarified” a false claim it’s been running in stories about President Trump and Russia on Friday, conceding in a release it’s not the case that 17 intelligence agencies “agreed” on the hacking narrative.
  The correction to four reports on Trump and Russia comes the same day The New York Times issued a similar correction to a Maggie Haberman report. Both TheNYT and the AP now say the claim they’ve been floating for months is incorrect.’
  http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/30/associated-press-corrects-big-falsehood-in-four-trump-russia-reports/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
  
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  July 4, 2017 10:37am
  - Fletch
    
    Yep, and even their correction is inaccurate. It’s really only three. The Office of the Director of National Intelligence is not an intelligence agency but an oversight and policy body that does not collect information.
    
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    July 4, 2017 11:46am
Ross12

I have used Google News as my home page. A few days ago they changed their layout etc. ( without notice) . I’ve gone onto the forums to try to sort out a problem I have with it and found this question
“How can I stop getting news from Washington Post, New York Times, CNN and MSNBC
I do not consider Washington Post, New York Times, CNN and MSNBC as accurate and credible news organizations. Is there any way to block these …”
Several others asking the same thing. Looks like MSM appeal is divided all over.

Overall it is an interesting to look at how badly Google seem to have handled the change –they clearly don’t really understand how people ( both readers and publishers) have used their product.

BTW. If there is anyone else who uses it like I do have you worked out how to set NZ as the country of choice from the drop down menu and make STAY there without going back to the default of USA when you leave the page ?
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July 4, 2017 9:34am
- Peter
  
  Are you logged in?
  
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  July 4, 2017 9:50am
  - Ross12
    
    Yes
    
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    July 4, 2017 9:51am
    - Peter
      
      Is “Top Stories” featuring all NZ stories, your default?
      
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      July 4, 2017 9:54am
    - Peter
      
      You can order stories by clicking the gear icon (top right) > then “Headlines” section.
      
      Drag to reorder in the second box.
      
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      July 4, 2017 9:58am
      - Ross12
        
        Thanks Peter.
        Basically all I’m trying to do is get NZ news for all categories ( except World of course). I can get it by clicking NZ on the drop down menu for countries and languages , but it just doesn’t stay there like it used to with the all version.
        They clearly have all sorts of problems as can be seen here from the forum.
        https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!forum/news
        I’ll just be patient , continue to do it manually and wait until they get on top of all the issues
        
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        July 4, 2017 12:26pm
- Fletch
  
  Interesting. For some reason I’ve never used Google news before. I always just use the apps on my iPhone – News 360, and Flip.
  
  Just checked out Google News and I see you can nominate or block news sources by going to ‘For You’ up the top, then click ‘Manage Interests’ in the links at left. Then, again on the left, click, ‘Sources’ and you can block news sources or add ones of your own (I just added Breitbart 😉 )
  
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  July 4, 2017 11:55am
Manolo

Russia’s point of view:
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/03/putin-trump-relationship-held-back-by-sore-losers-and-fake-news-says-russia.html

U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin’s budding relationship has been stifled by those who “cannot make peace” with the former’s victory in the 2016 American election, according to Russia’s deputy foreign minister.
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July 4, 2017 9:42am
dime

this thread is a touch meh.

So enjoy some Dice:

Hickory dickory dock
some chick was sucking my cock
The clock struck two
I dropped my goo
I dumped the bitch on the next block
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July 4, 2017 10:00am
- holysheet
  
  Fuck me dime, whats that all about. Did the missus not accept your proposal in Paris. You have been a grumpy old shit ever since you came back.
  
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  July 4, 2017 10:17am
  - dime
    
    never been happier dude 🙂
    
    Just like me some Dice!
    
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    July 4, 2017 11:59am
    - Longknives
      
      The Adventures of Ford Fairlane!
      
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      July 4, 2017 1:13pm
- Gabby
  
  dim’s gettin hornery.
  
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  July 4, 2017 12:56pm
Monique Watson

I love “Hickory dickory Dock”! Brings back memories. From when some old perv was trying to stick it to me and two other girls.
We shopped it to him by letting him believe he was on the make and then we emptied his pockets. Too bad we only got enough for a pie and a Fruju.
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July 4, 2017 10:25am
- dime
  
  lol jesus.
  
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  July 4, 2017 11:59am
- Longknives
  
  Careful Monique- That’ Old Perve’ might be one of our Kiwiblog regulars….
  
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  July 4, 2017 1:14pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Only one?
    
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    July 4, 2017 4:42pm
cha

Mates looking after mates…

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On Saturday, some of the world’s most powerful politicians, celebrities, and billionaires from both sides of the aisle congregated at Washington Post editor Lally Weymouth’s Southampton home for champagne, cocktails, and fried chicken. The star-studded guest list included Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump, George Soros, Kellyanne Conway, Steven Spielberg, Bill Bratton, Charles Koch, Carl Icahn, and Sen. Chuck Schumer, among others.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/02/kushner-ivanka-soros-schumer-and-more-mingle-in-the-hamptons/?
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July 4, 2017 10:37am
- Gabby
  
  Small get-together to iron out the script for Act 2.
  
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  July 4, 2017 12:58pm
RF

I have picked up a posting on the Standard from our resident rates bludger.

She wants to go to some conference at The Hague in a few days and has her begging bowl out. All she wants is $5000.00.

She has not been swamped with offers and I very much doubt if she would dare try it here.

What a self opinionated idiot.
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July 4, 2017 11:22am
- MT_Tinman
  
  I would have thought people would have jumped at the chance to buy her the ticket to The Hague – one way only.
  
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  July 4, 2017 11:45am
  - peterwn
    
    Except that unless she can claim EU citizenship she can only stay 6 months.
    
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    July 4, 2017 12:19pm
    - rangitoto
      
      She could claim refugee status. Just tell the EU how mean Kiwibloggers are and throw on a burka.
      
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      July 4, 2017 12:52pm
      - niggly
        
        I wonder if her arch nemesis Suzie dawson will also be at this activist talk-fest?
        
        At least with a burka on perhaps she can go “undercover” and keep tabs on Suzie?
        
        Win-win for both, Penny can “harass” Suzie without being busted to her hearts content … and Suzie can vindicate her claims she IS always being followed around by the “spooks” in disguise!
        
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        July 4, 2017 3:56pm
- srylands
  
  This is from someone who does not pay rates, or taxes, and owns real estate worth $1 million +. I cannot stomach going to The Standard to check. However I assume this is the event she wants to go to:
  
  https://worldjusticeproject.org/our-work/engagement/events/world-justice-forum
  
  “The World Justice Forum is the premier international event for the rule of law. Join global and community leaders – from an array of sectors and interests – as they share insights, explore strategies, and develop solutions for advancing peace, equity, and opportunity.”
  
  Sounds ghastly.
  
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  July 4, 2017 12:59pm
  - stigie
    
    “I cannot stomach going to The Standard to check”
    
    Fair enough srylands, talk some sense over there rather than being in an echo chamber, you will get put down quicker than a dog that’s been worrying sheep !~
    
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    July 4, 2017 1:15pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    “The World Justice Forum”, I know it’s supposed to sound grand, but why do I picture assorted loons and moonbats wearing funny costumes?
    
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    July 4, 2017 1:51pm
    - holysheet
      
      The fact that Penny wants to go is your answer, RP.
      
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      July 4, 2017 2:50pm
- Longknives
  
  Please,Please ask us as well Penny!
  The answers from the Kiwiblog Community would be the highlight of the week…
  
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  July 4, 2017 1:23pm
  - renderer
    
    Luckily for the country, Penny is nearly there:
    
    “Penny Bright Update – I now have just $2075 – now need $1025 to lock in that airfare before 1pm tomorrow 5 July.
    
    THANK YOU all those who have helped to date 🙂
    
    Cheers!”
    
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    July 4, 2017 9:42pm
- GoVege
  
  She deserves it.
  She’s the only one on KB to mention Elder Abuse Week.
  
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  July 4, 2017 10:15pm
cha

Say it ain’t so!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3935094/Bizarre-birther-theory-suggests-Donald-Trump-born-PAKISTAN-adopted-taken-America-parents-died-car-accident.html
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July 4, 2017 11:23am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  More than a good chance that Trump was hatched out of a pod rather than born in Pakistan.
  
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  July 4, 2017 12:37pm
  - Gabby
    
    He was hatched out of a pod in Pakistan.
    It would explain a great deal.
    
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    July 4, 2017 12:59pm
- sam green
  
  That is soooooooo funny.
  
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  July 4, 2017 1:12pm
Manolo

Who would’ve thought of it? Trudeau’s Canada leading the way.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3934423/gender-unknown-baby-registered/

A parent who identifies as a “non-binary trans person” is demanding their baby is given the world’s first “gender unknown” birth certificate.

Canadian Kori Doty, who has a moustache and claims to be neither male or female, has been fighting to keep Searyl Atli’s gender off government records since giving birth last November.
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July 4, 2017 11:31am
- 4077th
  
  FFS
  
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  July 4, 2017 11:58am
- Longknives
  
  That poor kid is going to be raised as a Political Statement.
  Whats a bet in five or six years time the He/She Dad will start pumping it full of ‘Gender Reassignment’ Drugs?
  
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  July 4, 2017 1:41pm
- waikatogirl
  
  I do hope the child grows up with strong male or female traits. Kids are what they are. The parent will grow out of this dingbat rose tinted glasses stage eventually.
  
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  July 4, 2017 3:14pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    wanna bet? as we see on kiwiblog a lot of loons as they age double down and go full retard.
    
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    July 4, 2017 3:35pm
Manolo

The incompetent messiah is always talking down the US:
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/obama-warns-americans-much-patriotism-july-4th-weekend/

While most Americans are gathering with family and community this weekend to celebrate the most exceptional country in the history of the world, Mr. Hope and Change is halfway around the world talking doom and gloom — and criticizing his successor.
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July 4, 2017 11:37am
- MCos
  
  “The most exceptional country in the history of the world”
  That would be New Zealand.
  Buoyant economy.
  At peace with the world.
  Pretty good universal healthcare.
  Affable population . . . .
  
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  July 4, 2017 2:59pm
Manolo

Italy begging the EU to be saved from the invading barbarian hordes:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4661866/UN-says-migrants-crossing-Libya-NOT-refugees.html
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July 4, 2017 12:12pm
- big bruv
  
  Italy can solve this problem on their own. All they have to do is take these cockroaches posing as refugees straight back to their port of embarkation.
  
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  July 4, 2017 12:44pm
Fletch

LOL. Steven Crowder goes undercover and finds out that illegals can make a ton of money tax-free doing jobs getting picked up by trucks on the street corner.

In the next bit he undercuts the Mexicans and offers to work for cheaper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq4WBOkFNtE
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July 4, 2017 12:36pm
- cha
  
  LOL.
  
  Fletch’s Christian values on show – fucking desperate people over is as funny as fuck and then doubling down and making sure that their lives are properly miserable is even funnier.
  
  Prick.
  
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  July 4, 2017 12:58pm
  - Fletch
    
    It was only a one-time thing to basically demonstrate that many illegals won’t work for minimum wage but only higher, tax-free wages. This pretty much debunks the liberal narrative that unless we have illegals none of the minimum wage jobs will be done. The video shows that illegals won’t even work for the standard minimum wage. They wait until someone comes by and offers them a much higher wage under the table.
    
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    July 4, 2017 1:06pm
    - cha
      
      This pretty much debunks what the liberals are saying that illegals are taking all the jobs –.
      
      So tiny fisted one was wrong when he said – most illegal immigrants are lower skilled workers with less education, who compete directly against vulnerable American workers.
      
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/31/heres-what-donald-trump-said-in-his-big-immigration-speech-annotated/
      
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      July 4, 2017 1:22pm
      - cha
        
        Since you’ve edited –
        
        Fletch
        
        It was only a one-time thing, which basically demonstrates that many won’t work for minimum wage but only higher, tax-free wages. This pretty much debunks what the liberals are saying that illegals are taking all the jobs – that unless we have illegals none of the minimum wage jobs will be done. The video shows that illegals won’t even work for the standard minimum wage. They wait until someone comes by and offers them a much higher wage under the table.
        
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        the liberal narrative that unless we have illegals none of the minimum wage jobs will be done.
        
        Without illegals, and despite a rise in pay US citizens are still saying fuck this shit, agriculture is in trouble.
        
        http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-farms-immigration/
        
        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-20/-i-need-more-mexicans-a-kansas-farmer-s-message-to-trump?
        
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        July 4, 2017 2:11pm
- Gabby
  
  Then the chupacabra gets him.
  
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  July 4, 2017 1:02pm
srylands

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94366485/gareth-morgans-top-wants-to-raise-alcohol-purchase-age-to-20

This will be the death knell for TOP. Increase the price of alcohol and raise the drinking age to 20. TOP’s only chance of electoral success is to suck young people from the Greens and Labour. Good luck with that now.
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July 4, 2017 1:33pm
- Longknives
  
  Weird call on Morgan’s part- I thought he was after the ‘Youth’ Vote??
  
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  July 4, 2017 2:25pm
  - srylands
    
    He doesn’t think like that.
    
    Anyway, IIRC “youth” harmful drinking has been declining substantially. There is no way the drinking age is going back to 20. He just looks foolish.
    
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    July 4, 2017 2:37pm
- Manolo
  
  Morgan, the moron, the imbecile with money thinks he knows it all, doesn’t he?
  
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  July 4, 2017 4:11pm
RF

Damage control 101.

SBW has been posting videos of him cuddling his baby daughter.

Aw shucks… ain’t that nice.

In 4 weeks he will be welcomed back and will be in a position to dictate new terms. He might want to be captain or even a coaching position.
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July 4, 2017 2:18pm
big bruv

RF

No doubt SBW cannot wait for the day she is old enough to have her genitals mutilated in the normal Muslim manner.
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July 4, 2017 2:25pm
- srylands
  
  I hope that there is, in fact, some doubt about that.
  
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  July 4, 2017 2:38pm
- sam green
  
  Stupid bigoted assumption.
  
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  July 4, 2017 2:41pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Are you trying to say he’s a bad mozzie
    
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    July 4, 2017 4:57pm
    - sam green
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation_in_New_Zealand
      
      Try this – if you can read….
      
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      July 4, 2017 5:39pm
- doggone7
  
  I’m pleased when I see postings like this. They show clearly the state of the mind on the writer and the sort of things they spend their time pondering.
  
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  July 4, 2017 3:37pm
- thedavincimode
  
  How much did you practice to become a disgusting piece of shit bruv?
  
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  July 4, 2017 3:38pm
  - big bruv
    
    About as much time as you spend being a sanctimonious prick. FGM is widespread in the Islamic community, people like you don’t help things by pretending it doesn’t happen.
    
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    July 4, 2017 4:20pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      Here’s an idea. Why don’t you pull your pants up, wash your hands and then hop in your taxi and whip ’round to Sunni Bill’s and ask him that to his face? Don’t forget to report back and let us all know how you got on.
      
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      July 4, 2017 4:25pm
      - Longknives
        
        Considering chubby 45 year-old has-been Frans Botha mopped the ring with your hero Sonny Bill to the extent he pissed his pants and cowardly gave up! (after Ten Rounds of a Twelve Round fight)- I’d just about put my money on Big Bruv!
        
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        July 4, 2017 4:30pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Of course longknives you would back your mirror image.
        
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        July 4, 2017 4:40pm
      - big bruv
        
        I suppose I could, SBW could then tell me all about how his religion is one of peace.
        But you go right on thinking that Islam is not to blame, you go right on thinking that all we need to do is make one or two little allowances for them (sharia law, turning a blind eye to FGM and other inconsequential things such as honour killings) and all will be well.
        Meanwhile, that horrible stench you can smell is your house burning down around you.
        
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        July 4, 2017 5:08pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Yes, well of course, that isn’t what you said. You said that SB no doubt couldn’t wait to mutilate his daughter – presumably on the basis that he’s a mussie. Highly defamatory I would have thought – particularly to someone who is so dependent upon his brand to earn his money. Maybe you won’t have to see your house burn down; it might get sold from underneath you.
        
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        July 4, 2017 5:25pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        I’d just about put my money on Big Bruv
        
        I expect you would.
        
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        July 4, 2017 5:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Aussie announces “internship” for unemployed youth to get experience in Retail.

Unions oppose the scheme.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/03/young-jobseekers-could-be-retail-interns-under-new-welfare-program
Who would have thought it?
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July 4, 2017 2:54pm
- Prince
  
  Oh Maggy, the difference is obvious.
  In Australia the interns receive some payment, and they get some experience in the workforce, so of course the Unions are opposed.
  In the SlaveLabour scheme, the interns receive no payment (other than accommodation that a prison would be prosecuted for), and the employer gets the benefit of a free workforce, so of course the Unions are right behind it.
  
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  July 4, 2017 3:32pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    No, The slave liabore initiative was accepted because it was their beloved Liabore Party behind it… If National had tried exactly the same they would have been hung, drawn and quartered by the unions and their political equivalent.
    
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    July 4, 2017 3:40pm
    - Prince
      
      ‘political equivalent’ – is that the media ?
      
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      July 4, 2017 3:58pm
Sir Leslie Bottocks

What an incredibly well written piece this is.

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2017/07/the-case-against-cardinal-pell
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July 4, 2017 3:01pm
- nasska
  
  Shame on you! Yost’s article amounts to nothing other than a tanker full of industrial strength whitewash intended to excuse systemic child abuse.
  
  Is there nothing the brainwashed will not do to ensure that the clerical scum are not held accountable for their crimes against children?
  
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  July 4, 2017 4:53pm
Manolo

Will some liberals, TDS-sufferers, and pinkos change their minds? 🙂
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/03/donald-trump-winning-oval-office-twitter

As the president seizes on policy wins and seeks to turn the Russia spotlight on Obama and the press, some experts say liberals are in for a rude awakening.
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July 4, 2017 3:17pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Great article. Trump is going to self impeach according to the wishes of DPF.
  
  “Niall Ferguson, a British historian and senior fellow at the Hoover Institution in Stanford, California, said in May: “I think one of the things Guardian readers, and their counterparts on the American coasts, don’t want to think about is the possibility that despite his obvious ineptitude, Trump might actually be successful.
  
  “I said last summer to a bunch of liberal friends: ‘Your worst nightmare is not a Trump presidency; it’s a successful Trump presidency.’ The successful Trump presidency scenario is one in which, despite it all, the economy does better thanks to deregulation and tax cuts, foreign policy delivers some big wins on North Korea, the Middle East.””
  
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  July 4, 2017 4:40pm
krazykiwi

The madman is at it again: North Korea fires missile into sea

A ballistic missile fired by North Korea may have landed in Japan’s exclusive economic zone, say Japanese officials
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July 4, 2017 3:28pm
- nasska
  
  Official story : North Korean rocket fails & falls in Japan’s territorial waters.
  
  North Korea state TV : Eternal leader’s rocket becomes glorious submarine to fool the puppet forces of the West.
  
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  July 4, 2017 4:28pm
  - Brigitte
    
    As long as he doesn’t go all Chinese and claim it’s the base of a new island.
    
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    July 4, 2017 5:26pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Youth suicide. http://features.nzherald.co.nz/teen-suicide-an-untold-story/

My arse it is untold. Talking it up mostly just increases the incidence rates, but never seem to see any stories on how it is actually 45-50 year old and >85 year old men who have the highest suicide rates. Women generally 2-3 times less. Hard being a bloke.
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July 4, 2017 5:41pm
- dad4justice
  
  I have tried to get figures from the feminazi family court as to how many forced male respondent client’s suicide? In my experience it would have to be over 80%.
  
  God this is one very sick country. No wonder our MALE suicide rate is the highest in the world. This country is a fucked up disgrace!! Anybody that says they’re proud to be a kiwi needs a lobotomy.
  
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  July 4, 2017 6:21pm
  - Jack5
    
    Dad, be careful of falling into the trap of “NZ is the worst in the world” or “NZ is among the worst in the world” when you make your arguments.
    
    Generally this is bullshit put around by Leftist activists looking for Government subsidies and is easily dispelled by Google or Bing searches.
    
    This source doesn’t put NZ in the top 25 countries in suicides.
    
    http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-most-suicides-in-the-world.html
    
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    July 4, 2017 7:43pm
  - fernglas
    
    d4j
    80% of male respondents to Family Court proceedings commit suicide? Utter bullshit.
    
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    July 4, 2017 8:30pm
    - dad4justice
      
      I said forced male respondents , you know the ones on the receiving end of false allegations of domestic violence.
      
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      July 4, 2017 8:36pm
  - Nookin
    
    Let’s get this straight, Dad. You are saying that 80% of family court cases, in which the applicant is the female partner, come to an end when the guy suicides?
    
    You are stark raving bonkers.
    
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    July 4, 2017 8:32pm
    - dad4justice
      
      As a lawyer nookin ever seen a forced male client dragged into the family court due to a lying female?
      
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      July 4, 2017 8:41pm
      - Nookin
        
        Yes. Many. And none have suicided.
        I should add that are are always two sides to the story and the number of cases where an angelic male is hauled to court by a malicious vixen is quite small
        
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        July 4, 2017 9:08pm
- sam green
  
  “Talking it up mostly just increases the incidence rates..”
  Actually it doesn’t UrbanNeocolonialist, and it is so incredibly under-reported given that deaths are reported under different authorities. We actually need to be a bit more open and honest – stop blaming the world and start talking honestly to our mates.
  
  Yep – men are over represented – all the more reason to stop being the angry dad4justice type and maybe being a bit more of the fun nasska type. I dunno?
  
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  July 4, 2017 7:14pm
  - Jack5
    
    Sam, do you think angry, loud folk (and I’m not suggesting Dad4J is) are really more likely to commit suicide than silent, depressive types?
    
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    July 4, 2017 7:53pm
    - sam green
      
      Angry types – yep. Some loud – some silent. Anger and depression tend to go hand in hand a bit too. A bit hard to stereotype though. We need to be more open and more gentle on each other. You never know what someone’s story is.
      
      Mind you – I tried to be kind to dad4 one night when he seemed down. He turned like a jackal – so there you are.
      
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      July 4, 2017 8:07pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Sam:
        
        I tried to be kind to dad4 one night when he seemed down
        
        Is this the night you’re referring to?
        
        dad4justice Hi I’ve missed ya.
        Oooo dad4justice – you are SO butch!
        Ooooo justice4dad -SO butch you are!
        Dad4justice – I just love your turn of phrase. It gets me all a quiver.
        Keep talking dad4justice – I love the way your tongue rolls around those consonants.
        Please say it’s true that you think of me fondly dad4lustice.
        No dad4justice. I’m just a man, pining for your caress. X
        Dad4justice – Call me baby.xx
        I only have eyes for you dad4justice. (I just love that name.)
        I’m sure Helen and Heather won’t mind about us. Hush now- don’t worry yourself.
        Shush dad4justice – don’t talk with your mouth full.
        Ok. You must be a bit sleepy.
        
        I can’t speak for D4J, but if it were me, I’d find this “kindness” a bit too much! Sugar is best consumed in moderation old chap!
        
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        July 4, 2017 8:22pm
      - sam green
        
        No – it was another of our long conversations. Perhaps one you weren’t party to. By all means – go search.
        
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        July 4, 2017 8:25pm
      - nasska
        
        Okay, so Sam could have phrased it better but who could doubt his sincerity? 🙂
        
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        July 4, 2017 8:27pm
      - sam green
        
        Nostradamus – there were responses and a context to those comments as you well know. Much like the one below.
        
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        July 4, 2017 8:38pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Sam:
        
        there were responses and a context to those comments as you well know
        
        Yes, sure, which is why I provided a link (as is my usual practice) so others can read the thread for themselves. But it seems that you were referring to another thread.
        
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        July 4, 2017 8:50pm
      - sam green
        
        Yep Nostradamus – a few people there.
        
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        July 4, 2017 8:54pm
  - dad4justice
    
    You are one very sick unit slim green. Are you Tim Barnett?
    
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    July 4, 2017 8:31pm
    - nasska
      
      Come off it Dad. His is the best offer you’ve had all year. 🙂
      
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      July 4, 2017 8:33pm
      - stigie
        
        Sam seems to be putting himself out there Dad..?
        Call him Tim if you need to !~
        
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        July 4, 2017 9:22pm
    - sam green
      
      Dad4. I’m a lover not a fighter.
      
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      July 4, 2017 8:41pm
Jack5

Charles Krauthammer, on the Fox News web site, is interesting on how educationists are undermining Americans’ pride in their own country.
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July 4, 2017 7:40pm
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Peter Theil shredding political correctness and multiculturalism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6cxRYgqfHY

No wonder the Marxist Media Party are so against him….
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July 4, 2017 8:52pm
cha

So the west has a FGM problem, too.

Girls as young as nine are seeking surgery on their genitals because they are distressed by its appearance, the Victoria Derbyshire show has been told.

Dr Naomi Crouch, a leading adolescent gynaecologist, said she was concerned GPs were referring rising numbers of young girls who wanted an operation.

Labiaplasty, as the surgery is known, involves the lips of the vagina being shortened or reshaped.

The NHS says it should not be carried out on girls before they turn 18.

In 2015-16, more than 200 girls under 18 had labiaplasty on the NHS. More than 150 of the girls were under 15.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-40410459
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July 4, 2017 9:31pm
Viking2

Barry Soper, Careless use of taxpayer money.

Many a true word spoken in jest.
From the Herald today.
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