General Debate 19 July 2017

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duggledog

Interestingly the women who Labour’s Claire Curran is standing (or sleeping) shoulder to shoulder with in the Octagon through a cold Dunedin winter night have both been pretty naughty tenants. Rent arrears, antisocial behaviour, wrecking property etc.

This is Labour’s problem; when they highlight stories like this and insist kiwis are dying in the streets in their droves due to extreme poverty brought about by the evil National Party administration, probably 95% of the country doesn’t buy it.

The above solidarity is actually Mana Party territory. Labour appears to be utterly tone deaf on it.
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July 19, 2017 8:02am
Kimbo

A reminder for all those right wingers and conservatives (I’ve heard there are a few from time to time on Kiwiblog! 😉 ) contemplating voting for NZ First this year because you’ve had enough of “Labour-lite” National.

Think again.

A reminder, Winston Peters has not ruled out going into government or voting confidence and supply with a government that includes…the Greens! You know, including benefit-cheating Metiria Turei??!

Try and discern and divine what Peters will do in post-election negotiations if you want, but you know very well that if the electoral cards fall a certain way, he will contemplate it. If the baubles are there – and let’s face it, if the Labour vote collapses, and Little doesn’t make it, who will be looking for Green support for the Prime Ministership – Winston will take it. In their heart of hearts all his supporters know this…and it is bloody obvious to his critics and those who have observed him for 40 years!

But the good news there is one safe vote that will guarantee you do all you can to keep the Greens out – National! That’s right. In their infinite wisdom the Watermelons have told you how it is safe to vote to keep them out. Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth – your country needs you! 😉

This political broadcast was brought to you by Kimbo Enterprises.
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July 19, 2017 8:05am
- KevOB
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:10am
  - Simon
    
    Chicken shit economy, over taxation, over regulation, too much immigration, fucked up auckland super shity, criminal scroates calling the shots.
    
    But at least not the wholesale importing of Muslims that the greens are so desperate for
    
    All fucked up. Protest vote Peters?. Those useless national clowns but no Muslims. Hard one
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:35am
    - 4077th
      
      “Criminal scroats” you mean those who defraud the welfare system and laugh about it?
      
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      July 19, 2017 9:50am
    - Lance
      
      Protest vote Whinny and get the Green’s and Slave-Labour in power
      
      Smart… not
      
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      July 19, 2017 11:30am
- Rodney Randall
  
  The National Government have allowed local government to run amok with edicts issued by the Rockefeller Resilient Cities Network and UN Agenda 21.
  
  So the National Party are Green proxys to a degree.
  
  We are not even allowed to know what the Local Government, Rockefeller appointed, (in through the back door) Chief Resilience Officer is paid, not even to the nearest 10k band because “protect natural persons”
  
  Fuck National, Labour and the Greens
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:14am
  - Prince
    
    Translation please.
    
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    July 19, 2017 8:25am
    - thedavincimode
      
      “I hate you”
      
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      July 19, 2017 8:32am
      - Kimbo
        
        Go easy on Rodney Randall. He’s hurting having had his expectations disappointed. He is like a woman who finds out her new husband is not perfect, like in the movies. Honey, welcome to real life – he belches, farts, doesn’t open doors for you and is bored shitless when you want to talk about “your day”.
        
        But don’t go getting all slutty, or nasty, looking to trade up because, as much as it hurts to admit it – he’s the best husband you’ll ever have. And he’s reliable, and better than any other on the market, no matter what they promise. So time to grow up and face the truth. 😉
        
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        July 19, 2017 9:00am
  - jcuk
    
    Since I started to get TOP’s ideas I don’t think NZF is an alternative. I think we need to ensure TOP’s get at least 5%.
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:06am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh yes,
      
      I’m warming to TOP getting all that money out to the 18- 23 year olds.
      I’m thinking of running Maggy’s Internship for some of these “youths”.
      After 3-4 years of slothing about discovering themselves, these precious “youths” might finally discover they lack some basic fundamentals.
      
      They can come and pitch their tents at Maggy’s, pay her $200/week, and get some old-fashioned work experience doing her washing, cooking, cleaning, wood-chopping, lawn-mowing, etc.
      
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      July 19, 2017 9:20am
      - cmm
        
        Maggy did you read the small print in the contract?
        
        You have to get a Kim Jong Ing haricut!
        
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        July 19, 2017 9:56am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @cmm
        
        You are fibbing.
        Only the Dear Respected is allowed that style of haircut.
        http://nypost.com/2017/04/18/kim-jong-un-wont-let-anyone-else-in-north-korea-get-his-haircut/
        
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        July 19, 2017 11:09am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      4.9% would be perfect, and even better if NZF and the Melons are on the same figure.
      
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      July 19, 2017 9:37am
- Garbageman
  
  Thank you Kimbo this cannot be said enough the fools wont think their protest vote is so funny after the coalition from the lower depths of hell gain control of their wallet as if they actually needed a wake up call after the Greens policy announcements better “Labour Lite” than a full blown socialist/communist agenda from people I wouldn’t employ let alone run our great country
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:22am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Bang on Kimbo.
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:27am
- dime
  
  if winnie had kept his trap shut and just said – no muslims he may have had my attention.
  
  act! or no vote for me.
  
  national deserve a slap for the gutless way they have governed this term.
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:47am
  - Random T Person
    
    It’s ACT for me. I will never not vote.
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:01am
    - VicParking
      
      Agreed ?
      
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      July 19, 2017 2:21pm
  - Ashley Schaeffer
    
    This election will be the first ‘no vote’ ever for me.
    
    Briefly toyed with the idea of voting Winston as a protest, but he really can’t be trusted.
    
    Just can’t bring myself to vote National again – it feels like an abusive relationship.
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:17am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Grow up and hold your nose.
      
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      July 19, 2017 9:39am
      - Ashley Schaeffer
        
        That only seems to encourage the bastards.
        
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        July 19, 2017 9:55am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Please vote, Ashley.
      
      It’s every adult’s democratic responsibility. Even if you don’t like the players, you need to do your part to make sure that the outcome of the election isn’t worse than what you are protesting against.
      
      Democracy, for all its faults, is better than any alternative.
      
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      July 19, 2017 9:39am
      - Ashley Schaeffer
        
        I see your point, but it’s a little soul-destroying when your choices are between crap and f**king awful.
        
        “Here ya go son, get that shit sandwich down ya. Don’t like it? Well just remember, it could be two shit sandwiches.”
        
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        July 19, 2017 9:58am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Or it could be the difference between one shit sandwich and being chest deep in it.
        
        What’s that saying… Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face.
        
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        July 19, 2017 10:04am
    - B.L.Zeebub
      
      You can always vote McGillycuddy Serious, oh wait…
      
      They`ve changed their name it`s now the LabGreens.
      
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      July 19, 2017 12:16pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      Ashley, there’s no law against getting involved in order to try and change things (the National Party in particular). That’s the adult response. Just whinging about National and voting for the drunken dwarf and his ego party as a protest is about as adult as taking your bat and going home because you got out.
      
      We have finally, finally started to make some progress on welfare issues, as reflected in the stats. We have an opportunity to undo the damage that Allan Duff referred to the other day and break through a mindset of inter-generational welfare dependency that is a blight on the lives of the people it’s supposed to help. We are making consistent progress in educational achievement in groups that have been marginalised by the system. This is all about changing attitudes over time. Do you really want to throw that away by voting for a crooked drunk? A serial bullshit artist whose sole claim to fame in all the time he’s been a part of Government is the fucking Gold Card. This is the bullshitting piece of shit that propped up the klerk Government out of vanity and pique and you want to vote for him? Seriously?
      
      If you’re not prepared to get stuck in and effect change in National’s policies, then as Mainwaring says, just hold your nose and go two ticks (unless you live in Epsom).
      
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      July 19, 2017 1:17pm
- 4077th
  
  Winston has never added any stability to any government (in my living memory). I’m certainly not about to test that theory this time around.
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:09am
- Fletch
  
  Even if it is only to keep Labour out. Who wants to go back to that?
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:53am
- waikatosinger
  
  ACT would also be a safe way to go. I like their new deputy leader. She sounds extremely sensible.
  
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  July 19, 2017 10:11am
- Interested
  
  I was considering splitting my vote and giving NZfirst my party vote …but on a rethink NO. 2 blue ticks I think.
  
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  July 19, 2017 12:11pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Welcome back from the edge of reason. Have a Tuatara MOT on me.
    
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    July 19, 2017 1:23pm
Tarquin North

I see another Australian Greens senator has resigned – this time for being a Canadian. At least she did the right thing. I wonder when Turei will jump?
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July 19, 2017 8:07am
- Garbageman
  
  Tarquin you will need a large four wheel drive and heavy chain to pull that entitled snout from the trough there is no way unless forced that she will willingly fall on her sword although I would rather enjoy being proven wrong
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:29am
- peterwn
  
  Surprising this matter has taken so long to surface. The rule is harsher than NZ as in NZ dual citizenship at the time of nomination as a MP is OK, but taking out a foreign citizenship while being a MP is not OK.
  So in Australia anyone not born in Australia (and even a few born there such as children of foreign diplomats) would need to renounce any foreign citizenship or at least make an attempt to where the foreign country refuses to or makes it difficult to renounce its citizenship.
  NZ would be in the same situation if it had accepted ‘Federation’ with the Australian states in 1900 and thus subjecte to the Australian constitution.
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:00am
  - srylands
    
    No if New Zealand had joined the federation in 1901 it would be a State. The citizenship rule in the Constitution does not apply to members of state Parliaments.
    
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    July 19, 2017 1:37pm
    - peterwn
      
      But if Federation had included New Zealand it would still have applied to dual nationality Kiwis seeking election in the federal seats in the state of New Zealand (or perhaps the states of North Island and South Island).
      
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      July 19, 2017 7:22pm
- Biscuit
  
  Tarquin, rules are different for leftist dolts here.
  
  Remember “Harry’s Law”?
  
  Labour (in Government at the time) discovered that one of its ministers, Harry Duynhoven was in breach of citizenship laws as an MP by holding two passports – a Dutch and a New Zealand one.
  
  Duynhoven SHOULD have been immediately forced to resign from Parliament. Ignorance of the law isn’t an excuse for the rest of us, and neither should it have been for Harry.
  
  But no, Auntie Helen’s mob decided instead to change the law so that what Duynhoven had done was no longer illegal.
  
  Whatever NEXT, eh, to de-besmirch leftist lowlifes?
  
  ‘Metty’s Law’?
  ‘Matt’s Law’?
  ‘Pam’s Law’?
  ‘Darren’s Law’?
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:28am
  - pdm
    
    I remember Harry – he held New Plymouth for Labour for an election or two or maybe more. He retired and along came Andrew Little to take over the extremely safe Labour seat.
    
    Well that didn’t work as the seat is now safe National.
    
    What does that tell you about the political skills of Angry Andy and his Union masters?
    
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    July 19, 2017 10:17am
    - sooty
      
      Harry had a large majority for some years. Helen know he was tits useless, so never put him in to caucus and the highest he got was associate minister off make work. Then New Plymouth realised it and sent him on his way to be followed by Angry.
      
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      July 19, 2017 11:08am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Now carving out a stellar career in local gummint isn’t he? The repository for failed troughing slavelabour and winston1st deadbeats.
        
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        July 19, 2017 1:26pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Will Turei jump ? Just please not near Kaikoura – think they’ve had enough mate – arf arf
  
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  July 19, 2017 7:32pm
Inandout

The Manawatu Gorge road slip has happened in election year. How fortuitous for the long suffering local residents after 40 years of ‘talk’ about an alternative route. One of the local Mayors on TV3 this morning needs to get another job after the shifty Sir Humphrey ‘no answers’ she replied to Garner with. The local National MP says there is no money for a decent alternative route; we shall see.
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July 19, 2017 8:10am
- Ed Snack
  
  What are the alternatives. Let’s accept that the current route is unsafe because of unstable terrain above the road and that it cannot be stabilized sufficiently.
  
  I seefour main possibilities; a viaduct down the centre of the gorge, dig a tunnel for the rail and move the road to the rail side, tunnel for the road, or do a new road over the ranges either on the Saddle side or the Pahiatua side.
  
  The easiest/cheapest is almost certainly building a new road over with reasonable grades and (wouldn’t it be nice, but unlikely) a divided 4 lane highway. More probably a standard two lane non-divided but with reasonable passing lanes uphill either side.
  
  The viaduct could be possible but I’m not sure about the safety, is the slope instability bad enough to endanger and viaduct foundations ? The tunnels have to be a concern given that they would cross the main fault line, but maybe that’s not to much worry ?
  
  Or I guess major stabilization work.
  
  All must cost probably hundreds of millions as a minimum. The viaduct surely would be billions as would tunnels.
  
  I don’t see any easy answers, but a long term solution surely is needed.
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:26am
  - KevOB
    
    Is it possible to cover the gorge like a giant culvert and run the access ways on top up the middle?
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:02am
    - RF
      
      I heard that approval for tunnels etc was given way back around 1915 but the tunnellers were sent to France to dig tunnels for mines under the German trenches etc.
      
      It never progressed after that
      
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      July 19, 2017 10:04am
      - thedavincimode
        
        They probably didn’t get to come home.
        
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        July 19, 2017 1:27pm
- Lance
  
  I’m picking any fix won’t be cheap… as in more like a billion dollars or more.
  So which projects get canned to keep the gorge open/ alternate route?
  Edit:
  Ed’s comment wasn’t up when I started typing.
  A much better answer than mine
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:29am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    How much to wet the ground down well and drop a few 1000 simple 1-tonne ground penetrating bombs on the unstable high grounds from a helicopter?
    
    I bet if you hired a chinese construction company and let them use chinese construction methods and staff and health and safety it could all be fixed for less than 10% of NZ price.
    
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    July 19, 2017 12:47pm
  - Scorpion
    
    Sir Lance a Bull Sh8t
    
    Have you been to Somalia?
    
    Suggest YOU GO AND LIVE THERE
    GO AND LIVE THERE NOW
    
    PACK YOUR BAGS GO GO GO GO
    
    AS SOON AS YOU CAN ARRANGE IT
    
    REPORT BACK ON HOW YOU GET ALONG
    
    NOW WANT YOU
    
    WHEN YOU HAVE FINISHED YOUR HOLIDAY
    IN THE SUN
    
    YOU LITTLE COMMUNIST
    
    TRY Saudi Arabia then CHINA
    
    KUMBAYA
    
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    July 20, 2017 12:35am
- GazzaW
  
  I’m surprised that Winston hasn’t already guaranteed to build you a four lane road/rail tunnel through the gorge and have it completed in his first term as part of his resuscitation of the regions programme. Maybe he’s designing it and costing it as we speak but had a problem finding an old envelope on which to do his calculations.
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:38am
  - Happychappy
    
    Has he made it a bottom line yet.
    
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    July 19, 2017 11:08am
  - Paulus
    
    Winston has got to go down the Mine first remember.
    
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    July 19, 2017 1:35pm
- thedavincimode
  
  This is God’s work. He’s was just trying to protect the rest of the country when he found out that Palmy is the clap capital of NZ.
  
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  July 19, 2017 1:29pm
EAD_TWO

After all of the Trump, Trump, Trump, Russia, Russia, Russia hysterics of the past 9 months, I’ve been watching a bit of Russia Today as a bit of light relief to the constant drone of the MSM.

Boy what a contrast – I must say that it is hands down the best News Network by absolute miles. Shows such as the Keiser Report and Cross Talk leave MSM reporting for dead.

Here is a great clip from their “Cross Talk” current events show last week that shows the sheer quality of the debate and breadth of topics on RT. Stuff you would never, ever see the MSM cover:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL_ulVuxloc#t=3m40s
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July 19, 2017 8:14am
- 4077th
  
  I got to 10:04 just after the mouthy one who resembles an LA gang member, started on about Mossad and 911 and gave up.
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:26am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Well, propaganda networks are designed to make you feel better as long as you accept their world view. Obviously a natural fit for you, EAD.
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:45am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Just like CNN is for you Lucia ?
    
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    July 19, 2017 2:48pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Except, I hardly watch CNN. I prefer the comedians (Colbert, Noah & Myers) and then a wide range of sources via news feeds.
      
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      July 19, 2017 4:52pm
Garbageman

Morning all, poor old CNN we all knew they would suffer the Streisand effect after their recent disgraceful behaviour and while there are many new memes and videos taking the piss this one is pure editing gold
http://imgur.com/gallery/S8S79qk
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July 19, 2017 8:14am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Has no sound, try this:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKdIz9gP1uI
  
  Check out Hillary’s selfie lol
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:39am
  - cha
    
    Or this, from the smoti‘s offsider.
    
    //
    
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    July 19, 2017 2:07pm
Steve (North Shore)

Breakfast (1)
Aurora item.
Pipa, “It looks like something from outer space”

Well no shit Sherlock
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July 19, 2017 8:15am
Keeping Stock

James Shaw on Todd Barclay, and what Bill English ought to have done:

Todd Barclay did the honorable thing: James Shaw

“I think that the prime mInister should have asked him to stand down as a member of Parliament when he discovered what he’d done, rather than to cover it up,” Shaw said.

The ramifications for the National Party were “serious”, said Peters.

“They were all involved in a cover up where taxpayers’ money was used to get a confidential settlement,” he said.

https://nz.peopleread.net/post/791077-embattled-mp-todd-barclay-to-stand-down-at-september-election

Todd Barclay has not been convicted of any criminal offence. Todd Barclay has not been charged with any criminal offence. Yesterday, the Independent Police Conduct Authority determined that Police followed correct procedure when the decision was made not to charge Barclay with any offence.

Likewise, of course, Metiria Turei has not been convicted of a criminal offence or even charged with one, but she has made a startling admission that she deliberately misled WINZ in order to receive taxpayer money which she was not entitled to. She has said she will pay the money back if an investigation is launched, but that is simply not good enough.

So here’s my challenge to James Shaw. If, on the basis of media reports, and a disaffected former staff member breaching a confidentiality agreement he believes Bill English should have stood Barclay down immediately, then surely the same must apply to his own co-leader.

For James Shaw to retain any credibility as the male co-leader of the Green Party, he must today demand that Metiria Turei stands down, and if she will not, he must commence a process to have her stood down forthwith. He cannot be allowed to apply a less strict standard to a colleague who has admitted to a deliberate and calculated defrauding of the taxpayer than he does to Barclay, who at this point is guilty of nothing more than dealing poorly with a situation that was way beyond his level of ability.
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July 19, 2017 8:16am
- KevOB
  
  Todd Barclay is an elected representative member and as such continues to hold office independently of party affiliations.
  
  Mr Shaw needs to deal with his co-leader disgracing herself and breaching her oath of office as a parliamentarian cocking her snoot of pride and theft against law and order.
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:22am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yeah, but Shaw has a point. As Richard Prebble did with Donna Awatere-Huata when she refused to cooperate with a police enquiry, he gave her the ultimatum, “you can either cooperate and be an MP in our parliamentary caucus and party, or refuse in which case you are out of the caucus now, and the wheels will be rolling to remove you from the party”.
    
    So if Barclay had refused, use the machinery to at least distance yourself from him. If it split the electorate, so be it. Barclay would never be re-elected as an independent.
    
    Key, English and whoever else decided to take the “hands-off and let’s see if this blows over” approach bear the responsibility for giving the opposition a stick. Mind you, they have finally got it right, locking Barclay in a room with the metaphorical loaded pistol expecting him to do the decent thing…
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:17am
- thedavincimode
  
  KS, nothing to do with your point here, but you’ll see this thread contains the normal grumblings about National and the dilemma that voter’s finding themselves in about registering dissatisfaction with National on the one hand and avoiding ‘those’ c**** forming a Government on the other. One response to those unhappy at National’s path is to get off your arse and get involved. ie if you are philosophically inclined to National but unhappy at the current direction, then get involved. If you actually care, what is it that you actually stand for if you would rather vote for ‘those’ c**** as a protest because you are too lazy to get involved and change the things you aren’t happy with?
  
  You get involved at the grass roots. Wot’s your assessment of the chances of disenfranchised who choose to get involved to get National leadership and the politicians to actually pick up on these things that are clearly going to cost National votes. What is the mood at grass roots level within the party on these issues?
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:45am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Couldn’t agree more davinci. I am actively involved in the Whanganui campaign team supporting Harete Hipango, and as you say, it’s grass-roots democracy.
    
    Sitting on the sidelines and moaning because things aren’t going your way is the easy way out. But if you feel strongly about something within the political system, the best thing to do is to get involved, and make your voice heard. Our electorate had two remits from rank and file party members debated at the recent party conference, one of which was passed by delegates and has been referred to the appropriate policy group. And that’s another area where ordinary members can become involved in developing party policy.
    
    Our campaign committee is very positive at the moment, even though there are a few grumbles about this policy and that. We are working hard to get Harete elected in Whanganui, and are taking nothing for granted. Every vote has to be earned, all over again. The one thing we have in our favour is a tide of strong economic news; yesterday it was zero inflation in the June quarter, and debt to GDP levels down to where they haven’t been since the 1980’s. The message is simple; do people REALLY want to throw that away just to make a point?
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:01am
- peterwn
  
  National should do a deal with the Greens on this. They should agree that both Todd and Metiria should immediately leave Parliament. James Shaw should have thought a bit harder before opening his trap on this one.
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:04am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Shaw opened his trap about Barclay back in mid-June. I strongly doubt he knew at that point about the skeleton that was about to rattle out of Turei’s closet.
    
    That said, having gone all in on Barclay, he is now wide open to accusations of double standards on his own co-leader. Unfortunately though, the media seems determined to give Turei victim status, and Shaw is unlikely to face the same scrutiny as Barclay and English have endured for a month now. Is it any wonder that journalists rank even lower that MP’s in public confidence polls?
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:18am
    - Kimbo
      
      …Unfortunately though, the media seems determined to give Turei victim status…Is it any wonder that journalists rank even lower that MP’s in public confidence polls?
      
      Don’t know why you think that is “unfortunate”. As you indicate concerning the unpopularity of journalists, and as per “Dirty Politics”, Brexit and Trump, voters are tired of the MSM virtue-signalling and telling them what to think. Especially hard-working working-class voters (“Waitakere Man”) who pay their taxes and are honest but frustrated about what it is spent on. They stick to the system, but have no hope of becoming a professional lawyer and MP like Turei! Now, every time Turei appears on TV for the rest of ~~this campaign~~ her political career, they will remember “benefit cheat”, the taxes they paid to fund it…and she will receive two ears, one deaf and the other tin.
      
      And some Kiwibloggers want her out for an apparent short-term gain…when photogenic and media friendly Julie Ann Genter is in the wings?! Metiria Turei, the gift that will keep on giving to National…
      
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      July 19, 2017 9:28am
    - Paulus
      
      I thought I heard last evening that the Police had again closed their file on Barclay.
      
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      July 19, 2017 1:38pm
      - peterwn
        
        The IPCA had closed its file. It would not be surprising if the police leave their file open but gathering dust. Presumably they took a look at some suggested leads and found nothing of substance. Todd is entitled to ‘take the Fifth’ on this and in the absence of any statement from him the police would find it very difficult to prove ‘intent’ which is what is necessary for any prosecution to proceed.
        
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        July 19, 2017 7:29pm
    - calendar girl
      
      What you say makes ‘logical’ sense, of course. But some of us havc done our share of all that, and now feel spent and disillusioned. Significantly because of the supercilious arrogance displayed by various Ministers – Nick Smith, Bridges, Coleman, Finlayson & Woodhouse come to mind readily (note: they are all male). Plus the Party doesn’t listen to its supporters any more – it just wants their money in the form of donations, and then it gets on with running things any way it wishes. Party supporters are just seen as expendable fodder for what self-important individuals such as these see as their greater station in life.
      
      Nothing is going to change, I believe, until National gets the rude shock that it richly deserves. You call for service to the Party, KS, but I’m calling for arrogant Ministers to dedicate themselves to some much-needed service to the best interests of our country. (I’m not holding my breath on that call.)
      
      High on my hit-list is the destruction of our country’s identity and character through indiscriminate immigration of unskilled people, many of whom have no wish to be assimilated as ‘new’ New Zealanders of our combined future. This trend is being underscored by the dishonest rort of granting of visas for people from overseas to obtain fake ‘tertiary qualifications’.
      
      So three years of National being humbled, and having to absorb again what centre-right conservatives consider should be the way forward, is not in my mind the greatest disaster; I can live with that. I’ll vote for the National candidate in my electorate – he’s worth my support – but National as Government has not gone close to earning my Party vote.
      
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      July 19, 2017 8:09pm
      - calendar girl
        
        I found it pretty sad that my comment above at 8:09pm was held in moderation for the best part of half an hour. Did I get a little close to the wind, deflating a few egos in Cabinet?
        
        With DPF away one expects that somebody else will be doing the job. But it shouldn’t have to be heavy-handed and overly-sensitive – that’s the kind of pool that WO’s ‘Pete’ swims in.
        
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        July 19, 2017 8:50pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Calendar girl
        
        The moderation thingee in GD seems to be random.
        I don’t think there’s a little person reading the GD comments.
        
        It hits all of us at sometime for no apparent reason.
        When you get the “in Moderation notice”
        Just go into the edit
        and copy what you have posted and then delete your post.
        
        Then paste your original post into a new comment box…. it should go through straight away.
        
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        July 19, 2017 9:06pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Thanks, Maggy – I’m sure that that’s good advice. But it’s annoying when you try to avoid the kinds of extremism that some others use regularly, yet overly-sensitive settings freeze you out for a perioed – I couldn’t even do changes / corrections during the limited time provided for that task.
        
        Still eternally grateful to be living in a free corner of the world, though, so no big drama.
        
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        July 19, 2017 9:30pm
  - KevOB
    
    I doubt National have the power to compel a duly elected sitting member to resign from Parliament. The seat does not belong to National. They may if their rules allow deny him rights in their caucus. The rule of law works in the absence of bullying.
    Metiria Turei should resign holding pride in fraud above her oath of office. Todd seems to be being pilloried because some olders are envious of a young bloke. An annoying electorate matter as happens to all parties. Rumour and hints are not facts. Metiria is living bad example.
    
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    July 19, 2017 11:07am
    - peterwn
      
      That is why Winston insisted that Helen Clark pass an ‘electoral integrity’ law so a party leader could force the resignation of any MP of his party on virtually any ground. Parliament insisted that the law ‘sunset’ after three years so the law only lasted that long. The irony was that ACT who was opposed to the law ended up the only party using it – to ditch a corrupt ACT MP. Sure as eggs, Winston will again press for a similar ‘electoral integrity’ law if he is in a ‘balance’ situation to tighten his control over NZF MP’s.
      Yet it was Winston who resisted complying with an agreement not to stand for Parliament if he left the National Party (or something like that). The High Court refused to enforce the agreement on the basis that democracy was too important to allow agreements to be used to stop people standing for Parliament.
      
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      July 19, 2017 7:39pm
KevOB

Andrew Little is said to have written to 60 companies about their taxes.
Does anyone have any more info?

As leader of Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition he has rights to ask questions about possible policy.
He has no right to ask any company about their taxes: that solely belongs to the Commissioner of Inland Revenue.

Is there a Labour gene for ignorant self seeking bullies as we find in the union activists? Darwin at work?
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July 19, 2017 8:18am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Anybody’s got the right to ask. Only the Commissioner has the right to be answered.
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:23am
  - marquess
    
    No but see It’s Different When The Left Do It™
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:48am
  - KevOB
    
    No. The Leader of the Opposition is expected to know the law and its officers. . He has no right to ask certain questions. He may rightly seek an opinion from anyone about how taxes might be changed in their view.
    
    In the midst of an election Little must not be seen to be hinting of threats against particular taxpayers.
    
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    July 19, 2017 11:13am
Inandout

Trump now more popular than Hillary Clinton. Who would have thought….?
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July 19, 2017 8:18am
Happychappy

Vote 2017 in a poll taken in early July, the poll gives English 41%, Little10% and Peters 9% who thought the best leader to be PM of NZ after the next Election. Anther poll also asked is the Country going in the right direction with 41% saying yes 32 % saying no and 27% not sure with Little say the Government can’t be proud of these numbers as 59% are not happy. How can Andrew Little have any hope of becoming the next Prime Minister when can’t even add up a simple sum or define the difference of the words “Not Happy” and “Not Sure”, this poll was taken in early July and over two weeks into the Todd Barclay saga.
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July 19, 2017 8:23am
Huevon

Australian white woman inexplicably murdered by a police officer in Minneapolis. Red Radio reported this morning that the officer was the first Somali to join the police. Got a gong from the mayor and everything.

Strangely the officer was not operating his body cam as required. The dashboard cam is also mysteriously unavailable. How odd.
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July 19, 2017 8:24am
- EAD_TWO
  
  What an utterly madhouse world we live in.
  
  American citizens being policed by Somalians of all people. Literally the lowest of the low.
  
  These people have come from a 3rd world, war-torn, violent, corrupt, low IQ, primitive nation where life is incredibly cheap and are given weapons to police American citizens.
  
  What could possibly go wrong?
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:47am
  - Lance
    
    They are low IQ because they come from Somalia?
    And you think you are clearly a high IQ example of humanity?
    
    Twat
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:01am
    - dime
      
      lance – the average IQ in somalia is 68.
      
      forrest gump was 75.
      
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      July 19, 2017 9:37am
      - Longknives
        
        Waiting for Lance’s reply to Dime’s last…
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg
        
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        July 19, 2017 10:53am
      - Lance
        
        Oddly enough NOT ONE PERSON was tested for IQ from Somalia in that study, yet the entire country was rated at 68 (that’s why there is an asterisk against the number in the study.
        
        W…………..T……………F……….!!!!!!
        
        If you read the link below it discloses what an utter piece of shit research it was. Laughable in it’s methodology.
        
        http://irregulartimes.com/2015/08/24/a-new-low-in-racial-immigrant-bashing-proving-somalis-have-lower-iqs-without-measuring-somali-iq/
        
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        July 19, 2017 11:43am
      - Lance
        
        Beware of buying into a far right loons rhetoric
        
        Yes Somalia is war torn, yes it might be a bad idea to quickly use them as police officers (at least debate the issue) but eugenics based horsehit like low IQ when it has been proved there is no such thing as ‘race’ immediately pegs my BS meter off scale.
        
        But hey, if you want to buy into that, it’s a free blog (within reason)
        
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        July 19, 2017 2:24pm
      - dime
        
        lance – they are as dumb as a stump.
        
        next youll be telling me the abos are on par with the chinese..
        
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        July 19, 2017 2:46pm
      - Lance
        
        You are confusing culture and physical appearance with genes
        
        Nazi’s tried to promote a superior ‘race’ except unbeknown to them many of their mitochondrial DNA (haplotypes) reveals a wide mixture of sources including Africa
        
        I know many are happy to live in a post fact world but I find it important to know shit from clay, it can be useful
        
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        July 19, 2017 4:57pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      And you think you are clearly a high IQ example of humanity?
      
      133 the one and only time I was tested Lance.
      
      You’re obviously not even smart enough to realise (or have drunk too much koolaid) that different nationalities have different IQs!
      
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      July 19, 2017 2:53pm
      - Lance
        
        Based on pathetically flawed methodology (read the link)
        But it suits your Nazi ideology so there’s zero chance will will attempt to understand it
        
        arghh
        I engaged the Troll
        
        Bugger… must not engage with Nazi troll
        
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        July 19, 2017 5:00pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Don’t worry – onetime world chess champion Bobby Fisher was a Jewish anti-Semite with an IQ of about 170, and he was a massive arse hole too!
        
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        July 19, 2017 5:06pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        @ Kimbo,
        
        why does being critical of Jewish behaviour make Bobby Fisher, EAD, Henry Ford, Jesus, Winston Churchill etc. “Anti-semetic”?
        
        Answers on a post card please without using the words racist, Hitler or far-right ?
        
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        July 19, 2017 7:11pm
- VicParking
  
  They are not required to turn their body cameras on until they leave the vehicle. All you are going to get are pictures of the dashboard. Yes there seems to be a horrible mistake or stupidity on behalf of an officer, but lets not get carried away with the beatup being used so, remember its the USA, a law suite can be called against the officers, the police force, the state and ofcourse Trump.
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:15am
- peterwn
  
  The police officer would not have shot without cause but may have mistaken a mobile phone she was holding for a gun.
  So it would be touch and go whether the police officer would be convicted of manslaughter (in the NZ context, it may be a lesser degree of murder in Minnesota depending on its law).
  The prevalence of handguns in USA means that police officers there are more likely to believe that they are at lethal risk in such situations (providing a defence against a homicide charge) than their NZ counterparts.
  There was the case in London where an innocent person carrying an object wrapped in brown paper was shot by a police officer believing it to be a firearm and the police were on high alert because of terrorism. The file bounced between the Surrey Police (engaged as independent investigators) and the Crown Prosecution Service because people rightly wanted ‘justice’ but the CPS considered there was insufficient justification to lay a homicide charge but wanted further investigations carried out.
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:24am
DifferentPerspective

Clinton Foundation still being subsidised by NZ taxpayers

Good to know that hard-earned tax $$$s are being used where they can do the most good ~~funding Chelsea’s 2020 Presidential campaign~~ supporting the saintly Clintons.

Thank you Taxpayers’ Union for keeping an eye on this Labour Lite waste of money.
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July 19, 2017 8:34am
Lance

TV3 breakfast is a sad reflection of the Paul Henry show
Yesterday Louise Nicols was on for some reason.
She proceeded to put all suffering and negative things happening in NZ at John Keys feet.
Basically NZ is a big shithole and it’s all JK’s fault
JK receiving an Aus award is an insult to humanity

And nobody pulled her up on it

Crap crap crap
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July 19, 2017 8:35am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  But you have to admire Louse Nicols for the way she’s been so entrepreneurial and turned the whole ‘all men are evil’ thing into a booming business. The moment the SJW legacy media turn up anything where they can spin up sexism accusations – she’s in like a robbers dog. Would be good to know what she charged the rugby union for helping the Chiefs understand how bad they were for victimising the poor vulnerable stripper.
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:48am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yes, I must admit the cynic in me congratulates her for turning herself into a one-woman cottage industry.
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:10am
  - VicParking
    
    She just had a bad day, but shes a women, so to quote Putin, shes allowed to have bad days.
    Men are evil but shes detestable.
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:20am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Not only that the stupid woman blamed English for the fact that Kiwis are treated like shit in Australia, conveniently forgetting the fact that it was Clark who brought that situation about in 2001.
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:52am
Happychappy

How can Winston have any credibility on Todd Barclay being absent with out leave as a member of Parliament.This coming from a Leader that takes shots at others but practices the same trends himself like in the last month he has been absent from Parliament touring the Country in his bus campaigning when paid by the taxpayer to attend. It is time for the rules to be adhered to and as Senior MP should be setting examples for other to follow.
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July 19, 2017 8:41am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Happychappy – Peters has taken “do as I say, not as I do” to previously unheard of levels. Some might call it hypocrisy.
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:03am
- Kimbo
  
  Really? So John Key should still be there too?
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:11am
  - VicParking
    
    Who cares the Trough is overflowing with cash.
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:23am
  - Callum
    
    John Key has resigned (along with Cunliffe) and is not getting paid. They both left as early as they could to avoid the cost of a by-election.
    If Barclay wants to help National, he should resign effective the last sitting day of parliament. They still need his vote until then but he won’t be eligible for the 3 months extra pay he gets if he stands down at the election.
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:30am
    - Kimbo
      
      You are entirely correct, but as the people of Helensville have not had an MP for some 6 months, who, other than Beltway tragics cares about the difference?
      
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      July 19, 2017 9:42am
      - Callum
        
        No MP, but they do have a new candidate that is probably spending more time in the electorate than Key did.
        
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        July 19, 2017 10:06am
      - MCos
        
        Hayley Holt
        
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        July 19, 2017 12:16pm
      - peterwn
        
        There is a Labour electorate in a similar situation. National and Labour did a deal on this so the respective MP’s could stand down and stop drawing pay without upsetting the balance of Parliament. Todd could too stand down now if Metiria similarly agreed.
        
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        July 19, 2017 7:45pm
    - KevOB
      
      No MP has ever done that.
      
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      July 19, 2017 11:15am
  - Prince
    
    Why ? Key has resigned. Left. Paid no more. But you think he should still turn up ? That’s a bit rough.
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:38am
    - Paulus
      
      Did not Key decline his MP salary and pass it to charity, as he could not, not, accept the money from the beginning of his term ?
      
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      July 19, 2017 1:43pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      I’m sure I’m not the only person that’s ever thought – what if JK did come back after say a two term break ? Hey – there’s your credible second coming KB.
      
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      July 19, 2017 7:58pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Key’s not campaigning is he?
    
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    July 19, 2017 8:21pm
Steve (North Shore)

Garbageman, here is a compilation. CNN have shit in their own nest big time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvXmzWFlzM
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July 19, 2017 8:41am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  What I did not know is InfoWars put up $20K for the best meme
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:48am
Monique Watson

Flew into Dunedin in 2008 and a Somali went crazy and tried to stab the pilot. No shit.
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July 19, 2017 8:41am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  You are trying to victim-blame the Somali here. What you fail to understand was one:
  – it was a reaction against Trump’s policies (I know, I know he hadn’t been elected in 2008 – but facts are a construct of the alt-Right patriarchy used to attack victims), or
  – it was an isolated case, she was acting as a lone-wolf and had self-radicalised, or
  – she couldn’t help herself because of the generations of victimisation she’d experienced at the hands of neo-colonialist racists like you, or
  – it was her only way to protest against the inherent sexism in society that forces women to pay for their own tampons, or
  – John Key forced her to do it because, you know, Merril Lynch banker, pony-tail abusing, flag-changing sexist pig.
  
  There – I will put a pink filter on my facebook feed in sympathy for your assault upon that poor Somali woman and I hope that she’ll find solace in the candlelight vigil I’ll hold for as long as someone is close enough to observe my virtue (and not one second longer).
  
  Now respect my feelings otherwise I’ll put my black anti-fascist outfit on and beat you bloody with my flailing spirit fingers of sanctimony.
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:00am
  - Scott
    
    Ah the diversity dividend! In Sweden, a very liberal tolerant country, the diversity dividend has not been what the Swedish elite would have wished for.
    In the summer of 2014, a Swedish music festival took place as usual, except on this occasion hundreds of young Swedish women and girls were surrounded by gangs of immigrants, mainly from Afghanistan, molested and raped. Local police covered up the crimes and did not mention them in their report of the festival. There were no convictions and the press avoided any mention of the rapes.
    Similar organised rapes by migrant gangs occurred at other festivals in Sweden in 2015 in Stockholm and Malmo.
    Looking at the bigger picture in Sweden in 1975 there were 421 rates reported to the Swedish police. By 2014 the number of reported rates were 6620. Sweden now has a very high incidence of rape per capita of any country in the world after Lesotho.
    The Swedish press were complicit in that they wilfully misreported and covered up the events. After the rape of a Swedish girl on a ferry from Stockholm the press reported the rapists were Swedish men when in fact they were Somalian.
    
    From – Douglas Murray – The strange death of Europe
    
    Given the problems that liberal tolerant Sweden is having with Muslims it would be madness for us to allow any more into this country.
    
    If we feel we must take refugees then there are plenty of Syrian Christians who need a good home and I imagine would adjust well into New Zealand life.
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:23am
DifferentPerspective

What a surprise – Trump low approval ratings cooked

Fake news approval polls – proven to have been faked! Imagine the utter surprise – if you over sample registered Democrats you get low approval ratings for Trump. OMG and in other news – water is found to be wet.

The MSM, they are the opposition.
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July 19, 2017 8:42am
- dime
  
  hilarious eh?
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:09am
  - Biscuit
    
    Diff and Dime (hey, that sounds like a Sixties musiucal duo!)…
    
    In my over 6 decades on this planet I have never once been telepolled (by ANY polling firm) and I personally know of no individual who has ever been polled either.
    
    Colmar Brunton reckons they do 1000 calls every month.
    
    I checked their website.
    
    They have been going since 1981.
    
    So, using my School Cert maths, that’s 15 (rounded down) times 12 times 1000, right?
    
    That’s 180,000.
    
    Can I go all ‘FAKE POLL’?
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:41am
    - Callum
      
      You lost a couple of decades in there, more like 432,000. And that is also only voting age population included.
      
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      July 19, 2017 10:04am
      - Biscuit
        
        Yikes at my ‘Maths’!
        
        I am so ashamed I will restrict myself to only 3 of these here 8 cookies with my next cup of coffee!
        
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        July 19, 2017 10:52am
      - Paulus
        
        We have both been called by a political pollster but we are not acceptable as too old.
        Years ago I was called one evening by an Asian Lady on a poll and said she could not understand my answer to the question which was something like ” what do you consider the greatest danger to New Zealand,s future” and I said “Socialism”.
        Later she called back and asked me to clarify my answer as it was not on her sheet.
        I explained to her what Communism was and that Socialism was a branch of it. Have not changed over the years.
        
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        July 19, 2017 1:50pm
    - holysheet
      
      About the same age as you and often used to get phoned to do these polls. Since giving up the landline they have stopped calling.
      
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      July 19, 2017 10:06am
      - RalphT
        
        Also in the same age bracket. I have been polled a couple of times in the last ten years and Mrs T at least three times; she gets short with them, I try and be helpful and give them the time of day.
        
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        July 19, 2017 11:07am
- Gruffydd
  
  Meh.
  2 points is margin of error stuff.
  Trump has the worst approval rating of any US president .
  In all polls.
  https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
  
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  July 19, 2017 1:00pm
Inandout

Truedoe is in deep shit with Canadians over his extremely generous gift to the Muslim terrorist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU6tmcSw9HU

This is what happens when you make a boy with looks (and little else) Prime Minister. No court decision, no debating in parliament, just his personal choice.
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July 19, 2017 9:02am
Inandout

Surely this is fake news, with another ‘suicide’ of someone connected to the Clinton Foundation.

https://www.onenewsnow.com/politics-govt/2017/07/17/witness-exposing-clinton-foundation-found-dead

Watch out Gerry!
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July 19, 2017 9:11am
- Garbageman
  
  I feel I need to step in here for our dear departed stephietrollteam and mention pizzagate infowars alt-right brietbart its Trumps fault and LOL I think that about sums up what his response would be – actually when wasn’t it
  
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  July 19, 2017 10:06am
  - holysheet
    
    Nah it’s still that prick keys fault
    
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    July 19, 2017 10:08am
KevOB

Migrant arrivals numbered 128,300 in the January 2017 year, a new annual record.

“About a fifth of all migrant arrivals were from Australia,” population statistics senior manager Peter Dolan said. “Almost two-thirds of the migrant arrivals from Australia were New Zealand citizens.”

Visa types contributing most to the migrant arrivals were:

work visas (42,400 – up 4,200)
New Zealand and Australian citizens (37,900 – up 1,700)
student visas (24,300 – down 3,600)
residence visas (16,700 – up 2,600).

Migrant departures were 57,000 in the January 2017 year.

How can immigration be limited to only 10,000 per annum?
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July 19, 2017 9:15am
- VicParking
  
  I can understand how NZ citizens returning home are classified as immigrents.
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:35am
  - KevOB
    
    Two thirds or more of the arrivals are Kiwi citizens included in the 37,900 total for the Jan 17 year. 24K>10K
    
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    July 19, 2017 11:23am
- Prince
  
  You redefine ‘immigration’ to exclude the classes that make up 90% of current immigrants.
  
  Same way as you redefine ‘referendum’ to mean ‘referendum of a certain race only’.
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:45am
  - KevOB
    
    Stats NZ includes returning citizens as immigrants as they are expected to be here for more than 12 months.
    
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    July 19, 2017 11:26am
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Christchurch ‘nearly saturated’ with shops: researchers … Chris Hutching … The Press

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/94811012/christchurch-nearly-saturated-with-shops–jll

The amount of empty office space in central Christchurch is slowly reducing, but JLL researchers warn of a glut of shops.

A major retail project opening in late 2017 is The Crossing, which is a redevelopment and extension of a former Colombo St retail area.

With retail vacancy currently at 16.1 per cent, the city is near saturation point, JLL national research manager Tom Barclay said. … read more via hyperlink above …

Christchurch leads cooling house market trend … Chris Hutching … The Press

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/94418443/christchurch-leads-cooling-house-market-trend

More houses have resold at a loss in Christchurch than other centres in the aftermath of the region’s building boom.

Stagnant prices means it is slightly easier for first-time buyers in Christchurch, while rents are reducing.

Data released from property analytics company CoreLogic said 7.9 per cent of sellers in Canterbury sold for less than they bought in the first three months of the year. That was a slight increase from 6.9 per cent in the previous quarter. Dunedin had the second highest proportion of resale losses (2.7 per cent), while in Auckland and Wellington it was 1.3 per cent. … read more via hyperlink above …

… Note the May ‘residential consents per 1000 population per annum’ Standard industry measure (completely unknown to Building & Construction Minister Nick Smith) for the smaller and therefore functional local government units of Selwyn (29.05); Tauranga (15.80); Waimakariri (11.05) … and in contrast the larger and therefore bureaucratically buggered units of local government Christchurch (7.20); Auckland (astonishingly below the national figure 6.57) and ‘Woeful Wellington’ (3.86) … read further via link …

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/general_debate_30_june_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1960805

… Not surprisingly … a November 2016 Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment (MBIE) Regional Economic Report found the compound employment growth nationally over 10 years was 1.4% per annum …with Christchurch Council Area a quarter that, Waimakariri four times and Selwyn a stratospheric seven times !

… The big message … to prosper … people and businesses flee from bloated bureaucracies !
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July 19, 2017 9:20am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  More to read on these threads yesterday too …
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/links-18-july-2017/#comment-2918053 … and … http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_18_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1970856
  
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  July 19, 2017 10:25am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I see that we’ve all stopped responding to Hugh’s diatribes, which is as it should be.
    Oh shit, what have I done?
    
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    July 19, 2017 11:33am
    - G152
      
      He always gets a down tick from me.
      It’d be two if I had to read his diatribe
      
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      July 19, 2017 12:20pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        More Adults Are Living With Their Parents Because They Can’t Afford A Home … Huffington Post
        
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2017/07/17/more-adults-are-living-with-their-parents-because-they-cant-afford-a-home_a_23027443/
        
        114,000 people aged 25 to 34 still live at home with their parents in Sydney.
        
        Nearly 114,000 people in Sydney aged 25 to 34 are still living in the family home, in a housing environment of spiralling prices and a decade-long wait to scrape together enough money for a deposit.
        
        Australia’s housing affordability drama — it has turned avocado toast into a political issue, made ramshackle homes into million-dollar properties, and even got the United Nations worried. Now, it has been revealed housing affordability is now cramping the style of even proper adults, with more people aged 25 to 34 in Sydney having to live at home with their parents.
        
        Housing affordability, or lack thereof for young people, is the issue on everyone’s lips in Australia. The issues have been demonstrated in survey after survey after survey, in decidedly average cottages selling for nearly $4 million, in unrenovated homes going for far above the reserve, in weatherboards flatly described as “tired” going for more than $1 million. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 19, 2017 1:33pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … On the road to real market pricing …
        
        Winter’s icy grip takes hold of housing market as prices and volumes fall | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88770/winters-icy-grip-takes-hold-housing-market-prices-and-volumes-fall
        
        Average asking prices on Trade Me Property dropped for the second month in a row in month of June … Interest Co NZ
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88779/average-asking-prices-trade-me-property-dropped-second-month-row-june
        
        … Check out the affordable or near affordable North American housing markets …
        
        2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
        
        http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
        
        … Google search ‘……. New Homes’ … for example ‘Atlanta New Homes’ … ‘Dallas Fort Worth New Homes’ … ‘Houston New Homes’ … ‘Phoenix New Homes’ … etc etc.
        
        Note the North American convention is to only include heated areas when stating building areas … while in Australia and New Zealand the convention is to include garaging. Therefore add garaging (circa 6×6=36 square metres (10.764 square feet = one square metre) to the North American examples … to compare apples with apples.
        
        To start … here are a few Pulte Homes Phoenix Arizona examples …
        
        https://pulte.com/homes/arizona/phoenix/florence/parkside-at-anthem-at-merrill-ranch-7739#CommunityDetailsView
        
        … Why has New Zealand Building & Construction Minister Nick Smith STILL FAILED to line up the detailed North American pricing against our current ‘nonsense numbers’ for new residential development in New Zealand ?
        
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        July 19, 2017 1:44pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        LEARNING FROM IRELAND … THE SEVERE COSTS OF MULTIPLE STRETCH …
        
        Its high multiple lending that ‘does in’ the Banks and their customers … as they learnt with the Irish housing bubble collapse in 2007.
        
        The New Zealand Banks are in no hurry to repeat the 2007 Irish experience … when the housing bubble burst there … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts exceeding 70 billion euro or about $NZ 109 billion.
        
        Irish housing across its metros on average went from 4.7 times annual household income in 2007 to 2.8 a few years later … refer the schedule of Demographia Surveys at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
        
        Australia is currently 5.5 times … New Zealand 5.9.
        
        Hugely dangerous.
        
        If a 4.7 multiple blew the Irish banks out of the water, how come ours are supposed to survive 5.9 with a skinny capital base of just $NZ30 billion and a $NZ1 trillion (CoreLogic estinate) housing market with in excess of half it bubble value ?
        
        Following the bust, the Central Bank of Ireland found it was high income multiple lending that did the most damage to the Irish Banks … and it imposed a general lending cap of 3.5 times annual household incomes.
        
        A year earlier the Bank of England had capped at 4.5 times.
        
        In normal housing markets housing should not exceed 3.0 times annual household income requiring sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times (Demographia Survey).
        
        The days of housing inflation are over. That’s for sure.
        
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        July 19, 2017 8:53pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Diareally ? Is that making words with shit up ?
      
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      July 19, 2017 7:53pm
RF

In addition to Kermit stuffing up the greens election dreams not many believe that she came forward on her own free will to admit her fraud.

It was just her getting in first as the word was out.

James Shaw is spewing about the very damaging disclosure.

How long will she last as there is some very intense behind the scenes pressure.
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July 19, 2017 9:41am
- KevOB
  
  Keep it up.
  Justifying fraud with joy disqualifies her as fit to be in Parliament.
  
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  July 19, 2017 11:27am
- Rich Prick
  
  Admitting fraud, must get her turfed out of the Greens, surely? If not, then it must pose a huge problem for Labour, I mean they can’t possibly go into some kind of coalition with a party co-led by a fraudster, surely?
  
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  July 19, 2017 1:57pm
  - VicParking
    
    Your right, they only have eight seats around their cabinet table for frauds and they are all taken
    
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    July 19, 2017 2:37pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Nah – they are proud of her “brave” confession.
    She can do no wrong.
    She is the true meaning of Social Justice Warrior (in designer jackets).
    
    She has inspired me to lie to IRD about my taxable income/expenses – because if a sitting member of Parliament can smugly justify thief by deception, then I’ll be right Jack.
    
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    July 19, 2017 2:47pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Just SJW usually gets an auto green tick. What a timesaver that is.
      
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      July 19, 2017 7:51pm
Sublime

Stuff: UK advertising watchdog to crack down on gender stereotypes

And herein lies the rapidly steepening slip down the gurgler.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/94875071/uk-advertising-watchdog-to-crack-down-on-gender-stereotypes
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July 19, 2017 9:41am
Manolo

Just brilliant: https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/simone/

Canberra, 2026
Simone entered the kitchen, hips swaying. ‘House goddess’ – this was her walking style. David had selected it, online. He sat at the bench, sipping dirt brown breakfast coffee, reflecting on his empty life. Summed up, it was this: dead parents, no children, and a 52 year old ex-wife, Elise, who had left him for her pretty, female, 23 year old yoga instructor.
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July 19, 2017 10:19am
Monique Watson

Oh fuck, more toilets.
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July 19, 2017 10:19am
waripori

Not much chat about fake news lately as hard data emerged about Trump and the Russians so I thought I would try and stir up some down ticks. After Don Jr went on Hannity to come clean about the Trump Tower meeting about adoptions it has emerged there were several people at that meeting concerned about orphans rights that he neglected to mention. The eighth man is a doozy.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/18/irakly-kaveladze-trump-tower-russia-eighth-man-240679.
kaveladze is a close associate of the Trump Family’s favourite Russian business partner with a shady history that has been the subject of Congressional investigation in the past.
Don Jr took one for the team but how they thought they could keep this secret is mystifying.
The other mystery is how anyone would believe that a full scale conference between his campaign team and all these Russians could take place one floor down in Trump Tower without Trump snr being aware of it.
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July 19, 2017 11:13am
- Scott
  
  Well here is the thing – the Trump team has denied any collusion with Russia. This meeting emerged as being about opposition research and eventually transpired to be a 20 minute meeting about Russian adoption. As far as we know nothing came out of it.
  
  Now it could be that it was such a nothing burger that everyone forgot about it. So far this is the only concrete evidence of any “collusion” with Russia.
  
  If there is a wider pattern that emerges of actual collusion with Russia then that is a big concern.
  
  However if this is all there is that justifies a 12 month narrative of Trump was colluding with Russia to steal the election from Hillary, then once again the mainstream media have been found out to be partisan hacks for the Democrat party.
  
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  July 19, 2017 12:11pm
  - waripori
    
    Maybe.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/18/trump-second-undisclosed-meeting-with-putin-240694
    
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    July 19, 2017 12:22pm
    - Scott
      
      waripori- That was a meeting last month! What we are talking about is the grand metanarrative that Trump is a Manchurian candidate who was in league with the Russians to steal the election from Hillary Clinton. That’s the “collusion” claim. Trump meeting with Putin now that he is president has nothing to do with the claim of collusion regarding the 2016 presidential election.
      
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      July 19, 2017 2:17pm
      - waripori
        
        This month wasn’t it?
        You seem to be the only person in the world who knows what they talked about apart from Trump Putin and the Russian interpreter. Trump did not even have his own interpreter. Can you confirm there was no discussion of US sanctions on Russia making it difficult for Oligarchs to get their laundered cash out?
        In the absence of any witnesses people like me can put any interpretation on things we like. That is why meetings between heads of state generally have someone taking notes.
        
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        July 19, 2017 2:36pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        From your link
        ‘ White House press secretary Sean Spicer told AP, spoke with the Russian leader during the world leaders’ dinner in Hamburg, a conversation that occurred after their highly anticipated formal meeting that day.’
        
        They spoke during the G20 dinner. It’s that’s the best ‘evidence’ you’ve got then your collusion delusion is making you look stupid.
        I mean really, anytime they meet are we going to hear your paranoid nonsense?
        You’re a joke.
        Oh, as for saying it’s hard to believe Trump doesn’t know what’s going on a floor below! Yeah, that and what the Doormans up to!
        Hahahahahahahahahahaha
        Are you for real?
        
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        July 19, 2017 3:20pm
  - Fletch
    
    Reminds me of –
    
    “I went home with a waitress
    The way I always do.
    Well how was I to know
    She was with the Russians, too”.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5Xv7QqXiM
    
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    July 19, 2017 12:23pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      She’s a spy, she’s a spy! It’s Treason!!!!!
      I just love the way the collusion delusion is outing all the MORONS.
      
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      July 19, 2017 3:22pm
Fletch

Migrants riot at a German festival. Sexual assaults also reported.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/07/18/migrants-riot-sexually-harass-women-german-folk-festival/
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July 19, 2017 11:56am
- Longknives
  
  Merkel should be tried for Treason.
  
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  July 19, 2017 12:12pm
  - Inandout
    
    The fault generally resides with the German inherent compliance gene. They are so conditioned to loathe themselves as a race because of WW2, that getting a resistance movement against the Muslim invasion is extremely difficult. The news media continues to class Muslims as a ‘race’ and the average German would rather poke their eyes out than be branded a racist. We hosted a German student for 6 months and she mentioned how relaxed was our kiwi way of life. She said the average German complied with even the most petty of local body laws that if here in NZ would be regularly ignored. Merkel is wrecking Germany and she is getting away Scot-free.
    
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    July 19, 2017 12:26pm
    - Fletch
      
      Right. It’s a kind of national guilt over WWII and the treatment of the Jews that they feel a need to show how moral they now are. It is a pity that it is misplaced though when these migrants are actually a threat.
      
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      July 19, 2017 1:11pm
      - Sponge
        
        Well, they won’t have to worry about national guilt soon as they will not have much of a nation to worry about. Germany, like the UK is totally fucked.
        
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        July 19, 2017 4:16pm
- Scott
  
  Yes as I posted at 9:29 AM there is a pattern of Muslim immigrants and refugees raping European woman. The media have frantically tried to cover it up and the leaders of the European countries have tried to pretend that it doesn’t exist.
  
  Unfortunately the pattern is real and presents a real danger to public order. The feminist left have decided not to make this an issue because in the leftist pantheon of victimised groups “Muslims” rank above “women”.
  
  But those of moral decency in Europe need to clamp down on this and incarcerate these individuals for a hugely long time. They did this in Australia with Sydney Muslim rapists and it had a salutary effect.
  
  Here in New Zealand we can deal with this problem easily by not importing any more Muslims. That’s why this general election is so significant. If we vote greens they have promised to bring in more Muslim refugees, by the thousands.
  
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  July 19, 2017 12:16pm
Komata

I have been away from KB for some two months (I know, no-one noticed), and while the topics are essentially the same as always, I simply have to ask: where is Penelope Bright? The silence is wonderful, but did she jump or was she pushed, and is her departure permanent?

Thanks.
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July 19, 2017 12:50pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  She might be still in the Hague, where she went for an ‘anti-corruption’ conference.
  With a bit of luck she only had a one-way ticket and nobody wants to stump up for the return trip.
  
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  July 19, 2017 12:57pm
  - Komata
    
    CM: Thank you. Given her somewhat ‘skewed’ talents, she’s probably trying to organise a ‘Muslim Male Liberation’ group, and wondering why it isn’t succeeding…
    
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    July 19, 2017 1:26pm
- MCos
  
  While you’re waiting for Penny to put in an appearance you could try hitting yourself on your head with a hammer as an alternative
  
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  July 19, 2017 1:13pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Welcome Back Komata,
  
  The horrid piece of work that is Penelope posted this on FB this afternoon
  
  “UPDATE FROM HER WARSHIP – BACK HOME IN AUCKLAND
  Wednesday 19 July 2016 1.30pm”
  
  She is probably just doing the tax return on the 5k of donations she fleeced from the insane before she left going vague…. no doubt back soon
  
  EDIT: She is supporting Winston!! Her FB Feed is full of Winebox stories and love for the drunken dwarf!!! What a pair that makes!!
  
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  July 19, 2017 4:06pm
Komata

McCos: Thanks; been there, did that, the T-shirt didn’t fit.
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July 19, 2017 1:23pm
infused

This #IAmMetiria is the most pathetic bullshit I’ve ever seen.
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July 19, 2017 1:24pm
Manolo

A tale of two presidents:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-obama-legacy-20170718-story.html

Rarely has a president taken office so focused on undoing his predecessor’s works as Donald Trump. Six months in, he has little to show.
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July 19, 2017 1:46pm
- MCos
  
  Interesting article on the Trumpcare Train wreck
  https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/its-still-never-trumps-fault/534066/
  
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  July 19, 2017 2:12pm
  - Scott
    
    I think Trump is doing exactly the right thing by getting Congress to do their job and repeal and replace Obama care. The Republicans in Congress have promised for 7 years to repeal and replace Obama care and passed many bills to that effect knowing that President Obama would veto them.
    That’s the role of Congress – to draft and pass legislation. They are coequal branch of government along with the president and the Supreme Court. That’s why all those hundreds of representatives are sent to Congress, they are the legislative branch.
    
    It’s only liberals who think that the president is all-powerful and should be enacting legislation as Obama did through legislation and then regulations once he couldn’t get legislation through. Trump is doing exactly the right thing and abiding by the constitution and allowing Congress to be the lawmakers that they were designed to be.
    
    The funny thing is that now that they have control of all 3 branches of government they can’t get a vote together to repeal Obama care. They can only vote to repeal Obama care when Obama was president. Now that Obama is not the president they cannot bring themselves to repeal his signature piece of legislation.
    
    The fault for this debacle lies squarely with Republican legislators who promised to repeal and replace Obama care for 7 years and now that they have the opportunity to do it, lack the political courage to do so.
    
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    July 19, 2017 2:24pm
    - MCos
      
      It’s a train wreck.
      The reality is (as politicians like to say) they can’t come up with anything better than Obamacare, flawed as it might be.
      Having said that I don’t fully understand their systems, but I don’t have to. I don’t need to because I’m a Kiwi . . . .
      
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      July 19, 2017 11:03pm
- Inandout
  
  And Trump doesn’t have a pet either, though Bush had a cow, and so did Bill Clinton.
  
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  July 19, 2017 3:11pm
Happychappy

Who in there right mind would believe Grant Robertson and Andrew Little that they can poor the billions of dollars into health,social welfare and education that they are promising without some where else missing out and that without their housing policy to come.
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July 19, 2017 2:40pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Not to mention the fact that nobody will get a tax cut for ten years, roads will stop getting built and all these billions will be spent with no targeted outcomes.
  
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  July 19, 2017 2:49pm
  - Happychappy
    
    A Ten Billion Policy just before the Election, Seventeen Billion from what they just announced and none of the coalition promises added to the total package yet. Labour pumps them selves up as a Prudent Financial Party and then announce Billions of dollars in spending that will make some happy but I would say most won’t be.
    
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    July 19, 2017 3:09pm
  - RalphT
    
    “…nobody will get a tax cut for ten years…” I was going to say nonsense, after three years of the coalition from Hell, National will be returned to office, but on reflection it would probably take 10 years for National to undo the mess and get back to the position where they can offer tax cuts. (Cuts that would probably only take us back to where we are now; what Labour and the Greens are proposing will mean big tax increases.)
    
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    July 19, 2017 3:57pm
    - KevOB
      
      It’s happened before. Hard Labour then clean up the mess.
      
      I wonder if Grant R. ever dreamed of being Minister of Finance while a clerk in the NZ High Commission in Samoa processing visas and passports or checking on the fumigation of bananas.
      
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      July 19, 2017 4:38pm
- thedavincimode
  
  It’s worse than that. They’re promising to pour billions into those portfolios without having any idea what they’re going to do with it. Classic LAGCs.
  
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  July 19, 2017 4:59pm
  - Kabull
    
    And no acknowledgement that the only reason they are able to throw our money about with such largess is because the current National Govt, through its prudent financial management, would have presented Labour an economy with capacity to be generous. But what is Labour going to do when they have spent all the lolly?
    
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    July 19, 2017 7:41pm
- Viking2
  
  I looked at that and decided that they were spending money that was already promised.
  Nothing to see move along.
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:47pm
waripori

Been described as a dog catching the car they were chasing and wondering what to do next. I think Senator Portman actually said they did not expect Trump to win so they had no plan about what to actually do about Health care.
Trump did not help by promising a solution that could not be achieved and which was anathema to the Freedom caucus anyway.
It would have been helpful to Republicans if the Whitehouse had come up with something even as sketchy as the Tax reform proposal. At least the Senate would have known what Trump wanted. As it is it looks as though he would have signed anything that wasn’t the Affordable Care Act regardless of who it sold down the river and what the costs were.
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July 19, 2017 2:45pm
Fletch

Students interviewed on camera are for Socialism… but don’t know what it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMxTEZ7JizI
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July 19, 2017 3:41pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Dumbasses can’t see the wood for the trees Fletch.
  They are the future ffs
  
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  July 19, 2017 3:56pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I doubt those airheads could find Venezuela on a map either.
  
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  July 19, 2017 4:29pm
Jack5

A tiny rabble at the Australian High Commission in Wellington today, protesting about gate-crashing illegals held at Manus Island.

Amnesty International Aotearoa New Zealand Inc. organised the protest. Another example of an NZ registered charity engaging in political activism.

The organisation wants NZ to poke its nose into Australia’s rather competent controls on illegal immigration.

Just so you know how your donation to Amnesty International Aotearoa New Zealand Inc is put to use.
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July 19, 2017 3:46pm
- Kimbo
  
  So I take it you’ll be re-allocating that part of your charity budget to a more worthy organisation, Jack5, like, say…Greenpeace or Destiny Church? 😉
  
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  July 19, 2017 3:49pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What donation?
  
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  July 19, 2017 4:14pm
waripori

All on Red 3.20
I was kidding about the Trump/ Putin side meeting but Trump does create problems for himself by the way he behaves. Neither he nor his minions can refute any interpretation anyone has of that meeting because he has no witnesses.

I was serious about him knowing about the June 2016 meeting though. If your best counter argument is to compare Kushner, Manafort and Don Jnr with the Doorman I think you might be struggling.
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July 19, 2017 3:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Politics – Taiwan style

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2017/jul/18/scuffles-break-out-in-taiwans-parliament-video
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July 19, 2017 3:48pm
Manolo

Good example of a politician who has been there far too long:
http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/critics-hit-mcconnell-legislative-tactics
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July 19, 2017 3:49pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  A 75 year old Baptist. What could possibly go wrong?
  
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  July 19, 2017 4:16pm
- Inandout
  
  Both sides have overstayers:
  
  http://www.torontosun.com/2017/07/16/kerosene-maxine-waters-how-much-longer-will-her-district-tolerate-her
  
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  July 19, 2017 4:53pm
Inandout

Trigger happy Muslim cop refuses to speak of shooting Australian woman.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-19/justine-damond-shooting-mayor-wants-officer-to-tell-his-story/8723054
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July 19, 2017 6:11pm
publicwatchdog

Oh – how sweet 😉

Seems some Kiwibloggers have been REALLY missing me.

You know who you are 🙂

Seen this ?
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Who was the politician who led the fightback against corporate tax fraud in New Zealand – TWENTY – FIVE years ago?

Lest we forget?

https://www.facebook.com/penny.bright.104/posts/1733835296629155

Michelle Boag – paid PR hack for Fay Richwhite against Winston Peters in the Winebox Inquiry (exposing NZ corporate tax fraud).

I strongly recommend folks read this piece of history carefully ….

Penny Bright

‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption campaigner’.

2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.
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July 19, 2017 7:42pm
- Longknives
  
  How was your Holiday Penny?
  I have been to Europe a couple of times- Absolutely loved it!
  Mind You- I worked for a few years beforehand so I could pay my own way…
  
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  July 19, 2017 7:54pm
  - Longknives
    
    Just in case you were ‘Perplexed’ by this concept Penny-
    
    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/work
    
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    July 19, 2017 7:57pm
- Happychappy
  
  Not trying to Sc@m donations today not so bright penny or have theý dried up.
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:00pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Penny:
  
  Do you agree that you’re not a “self-funded” public watchdog (as you’ve repeatedly told us) because you ask people to deposit money into your Kiwibank account?
  
  Perhaps it’s more accurate to say that you’re a “publicly-funded” public watchdog!
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:25pm
  - sooty
    
    So said the public funded watch dog that will not get over one thousand votes in the coming election.
    
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    July 19, 2017 9:18pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Wow, ok – count to ten – deep breaths – sometimes this really sucks but ok – *I fully support your democratic right to free speech, I fully support your democrat . . . . *
  
  What the ? Verify before comment you are not a robot ? Hmmm – I can take a hint. Step a-waaaaay from the GD thread – nice and easy, no sudden moves now. Signed – US-Somalian cop.
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:47pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Were the locks on your hovel changed when you got back? If not, the Auckland Council needs to be exposed as corrupt for failing to protect the rights of the ratepayers.
  
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  July 19, 2017 9:11pm
Left Right and Centre

This just in from TV – the biggest problem with bungy-jumping apparently is detached retinas. FFS – someone make it stop – I mean **FFS** !!!!!

Bungy is nothing – firkin detached retinas, you’re shitting me !!
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July 19, 2017 7:44pm
Longknives

Sorry Stuff but this ‘Sob Story’ has more holes than Swiss Cheese-

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/94872035/new-plymouth-woman-faces-10-year-ban-from-uk-after-visa-application-goes-wrong
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July 19, 2017 7:55pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Ok – ok. Putting my KB hat on here – here goes nothing – she got declined because she wasn’t a refugee Muslim.
  I listened to a stinkin advert and now all I want for xmas is dag free firkin sheep and healthy lamb weights like the depicted zombie farming folks. Got to love the one facial expression stuck on ‘hard yakka deep pain grimace’.
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:19pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  I did have a look at it – you’re like a truffle pig sniffing out those style stories – well done.
  How many morons would not get approved for a work visa having booked tickets and then go over on a holiday visa and *then* throw in flitting around the EU for good measure ? And what an ironic surname.
  
  nasska is good farming folk – funny as hell – sorry farmers, I love your work. I even sometimes watch Country Calendar for the scenery.
  
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  July 19, 2017 8:42pm
Viking2

FFSvote.
New campaign to encourage voters.
Now you might think what I did about what the FFS stands for, but you would be wrong,(well in the first instance).

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/social-media-star-william-waiirua-fronts-playful-new-campaign-encouraging-young-maori-vote

For futures Sake Vote.
eeeeeeeeeee!
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July 19, 2017 9:43pm
Scorpion

COMING YOUR WAY

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-and-border-force-to-deport-a-number-of-apex-gang-members-20170118-gtu7f6.html

News Limited has reported one Apex member has already been deported, to New Zealand, and three others will be kicked out of Australia once they have served their prison sentences.

One of the men facing deportation is believed to be Isaac Gatkuoth, from Sudan, who pointed a sawn-off shotgun in a man’s face during a carjacking and was sentenced to 20 months in youth detention.

KUMBAYA

KUMBAYA

KUMBAYA

KUMBAYA
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July 20, 2017 12:45am
Chuck Bird

I wonder if the Greens and Labour think this man is brave.

Man stole trampoline ‘to feed his family’

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11893082
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