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duggledog

Some good comments yesterday on the execrable welfare cheat Metiria Turei. More posts than a Bain thread, 350+.

Boy she got an easy ride with Espiner though. I reckon RNZ were all up in that shit prior to. Paula Bennett’s interview was clearly a trap, but kudos for doing it.

However, Bryce Edwards reckons ‘rebel’ Turei will be a hero to many, in fact, he went as far as to say she will be a martyr for the ‘cause’.

I disagree. I reckon it’s the Left’s Don Brash / brethren moment.

God knows we’ve all got skeletons in the closet, but foolishly Turei tried to turn it into an attack on what is still one of the most generous welfare systems in the world, and the kiwi sense of fair play will not tolerate it. Plus, it’s so nice to feel pious.

Now, the main question is: did Turei come clean because:
A: She wanted to add heft to her party’s policy announcement and just wanted to come clean after keeping schtum for… 25 years… or
B: She knew it was going to come out.

If it’s B, not only is Turei dog tucker, but so are the Greens. And Labour, by association.
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July 18, 2017 8:03am
- Kimbo
  
  No, disagree. You are thinking with an MMP and/or major party mindset. Like Peters, Turei is after her slice of the electoral demographic – and let’s face it, other than Labour (unofficially) no one else is chasing the vote (including urban liberals) who think our benefit system is not generous-enough.
  
  Also, both Peters and Turei have a Plan B – the Labour vote implodes as National’s did in 2002, and they are the beneficiaries as Peters and Dunne were that year. For Peters, who should be expecting well over 15% of the vote this year (he’ll be aiming for 20%) irrespective of whether he plunders Labour or National, it means an almost certain seat in government. For Turei? One step closer in the Greens long-game to kill off Labour as the major party on the left.
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:11am
  - MCos
    
    I doubt if the beneficiaries are a significant voting bloc. There’s probably not a huge number of them for a starter and few would be National voters. I would say as an unscientific guess that they would not see much point in voting anyway.
    Furthermore for every potential yes vote with big benefit increase promises there’s likely to be multiple no votes.
    
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    July 18, 2017 8:51am
    - Kimbo
      
      Sorry, apologies – I didn’t mean the beneficiary vote. I meant Peters and Dunne were the beneficiaries of the collapsed National vote in 2002, just as the Greens and NZ First will be the major beneficiaries if Labour’s vote collapses similarly this year.
      
      But it is not just beneficiaries who may be sympathetic to Turei’s policy. As I said, there are a number of urban liberals and hard-core radical left wingers for whom the policy will resonate. If they lift the Green vote just a few percentage points, then mission accomplished for Turei. Either way, I doubt Green and National voters cross over much. I sure hope not!
      
      And beneficiaries don’t vote compared to others? Yes, probably right, but then Turei just gave ’em a huge incentive! So if they can harvest that relatively unreaped field, all the better. Is smart MMP politics, at least by a party that is not one of the big two.
      
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      July 18, 2017 10:46am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I am hoping for B and with any sort of luck, Winston has the ‘proof’
  
  Unfortunately we have all seen the paper of proof waved aloft before without an outcome.
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:11am
- waikatogirl
  
  Even that weird lefty Tim on 7 Sharp referred to Turei’s fraud disclosure by asking whether someone else knew so she was getting out ahead of it by “removing the rotting goat”.
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:13am
  - RF
    
    I believe that the other Tim that fronts the late Sunday show on NewsTalk ZB is more left than this Tim.
    
    The other Tim is a shocker.
    
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    July 18, 2017 9:07am
  - john
    
    Never saw the rotting goat comment coming, hope is eternal!! That was gold.
    
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    July 18, 2017 3:58pm
- cmm
  
  She won’t be seen as a rebel. She will be seen as giving beneficiaries a bad name.
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:38am
- Rich Prick
  
  So benefit fraud, and by extension all other fraud (because the only difference is who is being defrauded) is perfectly fine. Thanks to the media for clearing that up for us all. Now that we know where we stand let’s get to it.
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:44am
- niggly
  
  The MSM need to ask Turei to come clean as to whether she has previously broken the law or undertaken any other fraudulent activities etc.
  
  After all the cat is out of the bag so to speak (and of her own volunteering), so these would be fair questions to ask her now.
  
  If she was prepared to undertake fraud previously (what for a number of years was it?), then that is an insight into her character and morality – so it may not be the only occasion?
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:16am
- KevOB
  
  Bryce Edwards is championing Peters.
  https://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/get-ready-prime-minister-winston-peters
  
  Turei barefacedly is advocating subversion of law and order in breach of her Oath of Office. Her lack of judgement has caused her downfall. Expect her resignation.
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:18am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I believe Turei is a lawyer. According to Christine Rankin, she would have signed some declaration before being accepted to the profession. I am no lawyer, but surely this should have something about criminal history and if so she is also guilty of making a false statement here. Any lawyers care to inform us?
    
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    July 18, 2017 9:29am
    - peterwn
      
      She is not subject to professional oversight if she does not hold a current practicing certificate. She may not even have done Profs or been called to the bar.
      
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      July 18, 2017 9:35am
      - smttc
        
        Peter
        
        She worked at Simpson Grierson before entering Parliament.
        
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        July 18, 2017 1:25pm
    - Huevon
      
      This was the case when she was a practicing lawyer. When she applied for, and each year she renewed, her practising certificate she would have made a declaration that she was “git and proper”. She doesn’t have a conviction for welfare fraud nor was she ever charged. She is probably ok.
      
      If not, the Law Society is dominated by feminists these days so there are unlikely to be consequences. She will probably be celebrated for being a hero, diversity, social justice blah blah.
      
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      July 18, 2017 9:38am
    - GoVege
      
      And Christine is such a perfect person . …..
      
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      July 18, 2017 9:13pm
  - niggly
    
    Regarding Peters (and Bryce Edwards), NZF can be as populist as they want (and get people indignantly agreeing with them), but at the end of the day what matters the most to NZ’ers is the economy!
    
    Now we know NZF is pretty-much centre-left/left when it comes to economic matters (and has no problem bribing/fleecing the taxpayer to pay for “free” this and “free” that, nor has no problem in spending up large on the likes of questionable new rail infrastructure, nor has much faith with growing the economy via FTA’s etc), but the economy and competent economic management is the key here and NZF (+ LabGreens) is yet to demonstrate they have any actual abilities in this regard, which will become more apparent as thoughts turn to such matters during the election campaign time. NZF may have already peaked …
    
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    July 18, 2017 9:33am
- Gabby
  
  If it’s B, there’s a blackmailer in the woodpile. That could get interesting.
  
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  July 18, 2017 12:05pm
- Viking2
  
  Winston last week promised consequences for her slagging him off. Guess what!
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:37pm
Paulus Gnome

The chip wrapper proclaims ‘Court says man who harassed Dunedin businessman for 2.5 years can be revealed as policeman’

Goes on to tell all and sundry ‘Counsel Charlotte Carr said: “To treat a police officer differently could lead to ridicule and contempt from the public and to suppress a particular occupation invites a perception that certain classes of persons will be treated differently before the court.”

Our indigenous wide mouthed frog is no different, she only thinks she is a different class of person with a particular occupation, so, is benefit fraud different?

All together now, with Burt, it’s different when . . . . . . .

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11891890
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July 18, 2017 8:05am
krazykiwi

The results are in : In two days over 13-14 July just under 900 cars were set ablaze by urban rioters in Paris’ predominantly immigrant suburbs.

I have a close relative who lives in a suburb that adjoins one of the trouble spots,and she said this year was the worst by far, but noted the violence has been steadily increasing with each passing year.

La France est baisée!
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July 18, 2017 8:06am
- kowtow
  
  Here’s another example of the diversity dividend. Sexual assaults also .
  
  “Police report that a group of around 1,000 teenagers and young men gathered on Saturday evening in the grounds of Schorndorf Castle, as the small town celebrated the second day of its week-long town fair. According to police, a large portion of the group had immigrant backgrounds.”
  
  https://www.thelocal.de/20170717/police-shocked-by-violence-as-youth-riot-at-small-town-fair
  
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  July 18, 2017 10:02am
- cmm
  
  So why does your close relative stay there? Surely they don’t expect it to get better?
  
  During WW2 people still had hope and talked of what they would do when the war was over and they could rebuild and get back to their normal lives.
  
  Nobody thinks that way now. These are permanent changes. Paris is not coming back.
  
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  July 18, 2017 10:10am
  - Kimbo
    
    Meh. The French have a history of tearing apart their society and government every generation or so – 1789, 1830, 1848, 1871, 1958, 1968. We are talking a country that has let farmers letting their stock run loose in the streets of Paris to determine EU trade policy!
    
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    July 18, 2017 11:16am
    - kowtow
      
      The French have a history, yes , but now the trouble is coming not from the French but from their mostly Muslim imports.
      
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      July 18, 2017 1:24pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Ah, but they once insisted that Algeria was part of France. And decided to colonise all those Muslim nations of North Africa.
        
        So, other than illegals, that makes the Muslims of France…French.
        
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        July 18, 2017 1:37pm
    - kowtow
      
      Not beret wearing , garlic munching , bread roll bearing ,Gaulois chuffing Frenchies who always run away from Germans ,French.
      
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      July 18, 2017 2:14pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Meh. Colonisation and/or Migration have been around longer than the Protestant Ulster plantings of the 17th Century, or when Irish Catholics started washing up in Glasgow, Liverpool, New York and Boston from the 1850s on.
        
        Plus, as I can recall the French state insisting that French Polynesia in general, and Mururoa Atoll in particular were part of France when they decided to conduct nuclear tests there, I can but conclude, by the French’s own declaration, that your definition of whom is French and how to identify them is too narrow. When it suited France they used Muslim troops to resist those Germans, so that seems a good down payment on current citizenship. Oui? 😉
        
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        July 18, 2017 2:18pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        You arrogant know-it-all. If YOU were living next to a militaristic war machine that was forever attacking you through porous frontiers and wholesale raping and killing every 30 or 40 years , you’d think differently. Geez…. talk about stereotyping!
        
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        July 18, 2017 3:32pm
      - kowtow
        
        Yes Dave Mann
        You’ve described the French well there.
        
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        July 18, 2017 3:47pm
Paulus Gnome

Hat tip to Alan Duff whose efforts are probably wasted in the chip wrapper, reflecting much of the sentiment expressed on this site; well worth the three minutes of your day especially as DPF has gone AWL and there may not be as much posted to get ones vitriol up to just below boiling.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11891860

‘This columnist and another, my friend Bob Jones, warned more than 20 years ago that welfarism had created a monster. We got howled down by many white liberals, many of the left “not least the country’s academia” and by many Maori leaders (because we dared to say the majority of problems belonged to Maori). Nothing got done. And the problems have got worse.’

‘I’m not saying that every child whose parent or parents is on a benefit is a criminal. Not for a moment. But I am repeating the warning that free money to able-bodied humans anywhere can do just the opposite of what it intends: take away the will to work, the guts to struggle, the spirit to pick yourself up by the bootstraps.

And let it be said, it is a hell of a lot easier for people exposed to more diverse and broader knowledge to get up and go than it is for someone surrounded by low-income people drowning in their own misery, wallowing in negativity.’

But, people, you made the choice. Sorry, but it’s time to cut them adrift, float on life’s high seas full of sharks with a nose for their blood type. The problem, in my opinion, is a certain percentage don’t try to help themselves – and nor should we be helping them.’

‘We have to accept that every population has a small percentage of people who either don’t get it, or won’t. This endless play will still be acted out a hundred, a thousand years after you and I are gone. Cut off welfare money and focus energies on the 85-plus per cent getting on with life.’
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July 18, 2017 8:07am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Private charities with a limited pot of money and complete discretion on how they spend it are motivated to distinguish between bludgers and people in genuine need who are doing their best.
  
  A legal entitlement to welfare backed by an unlimited source of funds is quite different and leads to children being treated as a revenue stream and the consequences we are now seeing.
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:39am
  - marcw
    
    Probably explains why Iwi money isn’t invested in tribe housing on Maori land. They know it would be a poor investment – rent would go unpaid, meth contamination would be rife, damage would be eye wateringly expensive to fix, and after 10 years there would be nothing left of the funds sunk into their welfare cause. Just more hands stretched out for continuing benefits.
    
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    July 18, 2017 1:07pm
- Northland Wahine
  
  Total agreement Paulus, great piece Duff wrote.
  
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  July 18, 2017 10:46am
- GoVege
  
  Oh b/s! !
  It’s the breakdown of the family that’s to blame for welfare .
  
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  July 18, 2017 2:28pm
waikatogirl

Angry has written to 60 corporations asking for them to pay the tax they owe to NZ.
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July 18, 2017 8:09am
- krazykiwi
  
  He could branch out a bit with : “Dear Metiria …”, or “Dear Winston, about that $156,000” …
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:13am
  - Happychappy
    
    krazykiwi : And there will be a few on here that will actually vote Winston First and when thinks turn to shit will ask that same question then.
    
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    July 18, 2017 8:33am
- holysheet
  
  What planet is this dumbarse really on. No body gets away with not paying their tax. Its all the loopholes in the international tax laws that allow these companies to LEGALLY pay the minimum amounts of tax.
  Angry bleating on about it will change nothing. His voter base is too thick to understand this.
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:18am
- pdm
  
  Did Matt get a letter?
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:32am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Yes and he ignored it as will all those companies that the little one thinks he will squeeze $200m out of.
    
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    July 18, 2017 8:37am
- Prince
  
  Will he name them ? Do they have a right of reply ? How was the letter sent ? Email ? Snail mail ?
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:46am
  - pdm
    
    Prince – personal hand delivery – after all Angry hasn’t got anything else to do these days except wait for the axe to fall.
    
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    July 18, 2017 9:26am
  - Biscuit
    
    Let’s hope that a few of the recipients take the opportunity to respond.
    
    How about a public revealing of the contents of the letter?
    
    It’s not just the politicos that can leak, heh heh.
    
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    July 18, 2017 9:54am
    - Gabby
      
      I’m sure they’ll reveal how for years they’ve been operating in NZ purely out of kindness, losing money hand over fist to the mean offshore licensers but persevering because thatsa kinda guysayare.
      
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      July 18, 2017 12:12pm
- KevOB
  
  A Little is not referred to in the Tax Administration Act 1994.
  Has HML Opposition acquired new powers?
  
  This is another manifestation of the inherent bullying nature of diehard Labour. Might is the ~~right~~ unionist lefty way.
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:28am
duggledog

Good points Kimbo but effectively I think Turei now has the stench about her… like a hangman, she just repulses. She’s gone into Sue Bradfordsville, I reckon she’s gone burgers
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July 18, 2017 8:14am
- Keeping Stock
  
  She should stand down as Green Party co-leader immediately, and Julie Anne Genter should take her place.
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:42am
  - GazzaW
    
    Not right now KS. 24 September will do just fine.
    
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    July 18, 2017 9:36am
  - Paulus
    
    She is a liar and cheat on all taxpayers.
    She should be prosecuted for theft and should resign as an MP.
    But she is above the Law.
    I am surprised the stench now coming from the Greens but cannot do anything to her.
    She may have saved New Zealand !
    They will lose much goodwill that they had garnered in the election – watch this space.
    Gutless Party even more so now.
    
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    July 18, 2017 11:23am
- RF
  
  Yes corruption does have a nasty stench. This will follow the fraudster around.
  
  I always believed you cannot put lipstick on a pig. After viewing recent photos of her she has proven me wrong.
  
  Boom boom !!!!!!!!!
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:52am
  - Biscuit
    
    RF, you do pigs a great disservice.
    
    Turei has had 25 years (?) to ‘confess’ to her fraud but has stayed shush all these years until, so I hear, someone threatened to blow the whistle on her.
    
    And now she says she will repay the state ‘if’ WINZ demand she does.
    
    Ever heard of a conscience, Metiria? Why not an ‘I have no idea how much I defrauded my countrymen by – but I’m on a good whack these days and have today sent IRD a cheque for $25,000 which is way more than I probably cheated the system by but which includes a self-imposed penal element’?
    
    More and more, if we are going to keep the List system, the Public need to have the opportunity to downtick individual members of that List.
    
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    July 18, 2017 10:00am
    - KevOB
      
      Her Oath as Parliamentarian must have been breached by her outburst championing subversion of the law.
      Her resignation is expected.
      
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      July 18, 2017 10:44am
      - Kimbo
        
        Helen Clark didn’t resign when she admitted she inhaled, and neither did Marilyn Waring that day she trespassed on the field at Rugby Park, Hamilton in 1981.
        
        All attempts to prosecute or target Turei will achieve is free publicity and making her look like a martyr among the constituency she is seeking to galvanise. Plus she will spin it by comparing the iron boot of the law crushing beneficiaries over a few dollars compared to multinationals avoiding tax.
        
        She was never after the vote of Kiwibloggers, let alone their sympathy or acceptance. Instead, she welcomes the free publicity.
        
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        July 18, 2017 11:12am
      - KevOB
        
        Her offence is a continuing one and compounded by her recent promotion of her conduct as worthy. The latter is the real offence as it is contrary to proper behaviour for a Parliamentarian.
        
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        July 18, 2017 3:27pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Um, Parliamentarians are allowed to advocate for a change of law. Indeed, that is what an election campaign is about! Plenty round here think David Seymour’s death with dignity is a form of murder so does that make him of subverting the law by implying euthanasia is moral and right?
        
        And as Turei is relaying events that occurred before she became an MP, it is no different from an MP advocating drug decriminalisation and mentioning they once took drugs. She’s spun it as “I don’t want anyone to be placed in the situation I was with the bad choice I had”.
        
        Be outraged if you want, and make your decision on her morality and have contempt for her if you wish, and demand she pay the funds back…but no, she shouldn’t have to resign. Not IMHO, no matter how much I loathe her politics and smarmy hypocrisy. Only one benefiting from the outrage are right-wing blogs..and Turei. Instead, let the voters decide. It’s traditionally only the left that wants to shut people up or exclude them. Let Turei receive her verdict in the court of public opinion. That’s where the rightful decision belongs.
        
        But yeah, paying back the dosh is fair…
        
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        July 18, 2017 3:39pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Plus as long as Turei is still there leading the Greens, it may galvanise the prevaricating conservative base as well who are considering voting for NZ First – only a vote for National guarantees you’ve done everything possible to keep this ghastly policy and its advocate out of government. You want her replaced by someone photogenic and who can project “reasonable” like Julie Ann Genter?! No thanks – give me the Greens radical, pitching to the margins, modelling and/or excusing illegal activity when it suits their purposes, and middle NZ will run a mile.
        
        When your opponent is making a mistake, don’t interrupt! 😉
        
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        July 18, 2017 3:46pm
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      Actually my calculations and what I am hearing from others is that her fraud is more likely in the vicinity of $50K or more
      
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      July 18, 2017 11:57am
      - GoVege
        
        So how many years was she on the benny then?
        Must have been a lot to owe 50g’s.
        Worst of all, she produced a dozen little crims/career beneficiaries.
        I meet gals like this all the time….
        
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        July 18, 2017 2:42pm
EAD_TWO

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Perhaps the most interesting story to emerge this week in World Jewry is the blacklisting of 160 diaspora Rabbis from 24 countries who are suspected of not being tough enough enforcing Israel’s Race purity laws:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/160-rabbis-including-top-us-orthodox-leaders-on-rabbinate-blacklist/

I guess few people here would be aware of the laws regarding marriage in Israel – it is a criminal offence for a Jew to marry a Goyim in Israel.

For those wanting to learn more, here is a good article explaining visually Israel’s laws regarding marriage:

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/shavuot/.premium-1.596576?v=33E2E3F1A9D29CF3BF99A6C6AAF244BF

What is interesting is that despite Jews (even “right wing one) around the world from John Key to Malcolm Turnbull to David Cameron to Ben & Jerrys ice-cream pushing heavily for Gay marriage in Goyim countries, it too is illegal in Israel. Surely what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander?

Slightly off topic – it is very interesting reading the “causes” in Goyim countries that Ben & Jerrys supports – everything from Abortion to same sex marriage to sanctuary cities to Black Lives Matters!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ben-jerry-s-explains-why-black-lives-matter-a7351321.html

PS: Apologies in advance for the crime of “noticing” ?
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July 18, 2017 8:17am
- EAD_TWO
  
  mmmmmm 26 downticks.
  
  I wonder why people downtick a post such as the above and what is it that they’re downticking?
  
  Are they downticking Ben and Jerrys behaviour, Jewish hypocrisy or are they downticking the poster for bringing this kind of stuff to a wider audience?
  
  I’m curious as this blacklisting is very current news. Is it just that people (particularly those on the right) think that Israeli and Jewish behaviour is beyond reasoned debate and/or they’ve been trained to behave like Pavlovs dogs?
  
  https://www.henrymakow.com/anti-semitism_is_mind_control.html
  
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  July 18, 2017 1:47pm
  - Kimbo
    
    How about this. Yesterday you posted on GD:
    
    Interesting Jack5,
    
    perhaps Kimbo is Yiddish?
    
    Who could possibly have guessed that ?
    
    JULY 17, 2017 7:54PM
    
    So while folks around here are, in the main, conservative, they can instinctively pick your political hard-on for National Socialism without too much trouble.
    
    And, btw, no, I’m not. Not that it has anything to do with anything except in your warped tin-foil hat mind. And in case you didn’t notice I cop a bit from time to time around here criticising some of the policies of the modern state of Israel. Is there Zionist propaganda out there? Of course. Just like there is American, Arab, Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Russian, liberal, conservative right wing, left wing, whatever propaganda. But an international Jewish/World Jewry conspiracy? Nope.
    
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    July 18, 2017 2:11pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Your argumentative style Kimbo as evidenced above Kimbo is why normal people instinctively turn off hars line Social Justice Warriors.
      
      Context is everything my friend – if the smiley face doesn’t give it away, then you omission of what I was replying to makes this a rather innocuous comment which you have used to conflate me into literally Hitler (TM – the most evil person to stalk the earth EVER).
      
      Because of the way the likes of you and the ADL you make discussion on taboo subjects so emotivley charged, my style as you are aware is to present the facts, leave links and met the reader decide for themselves. For as the saying goes – You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink.
      
      All I try and do is remove the fog of propaganda from people’s eyes?
      
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      July 18, 2017 3:35pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I thought by your own admission you were a “National Socialist”. Is that no longer the case?
        
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        July 18, 2017 4:20pm
  - Lance
    
    sigh
    One last time..
    
    No it’s because you are demonstrably, consistently and unashamedly an anti semitic far right loon
    
    Logic is completely lost on you by those that have made the effort in the past so you are now just assigned to the bin of ‘troll’.
    
    You, stephieboy and barbed wire enemas pretty exist on the same scale
    
    Is that subtle enough?
    
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    July 18, 2017 3:31pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Which part of my analysis was wrong?
      
      Were 160 Rabbis not blacklisted for judiciously upholding Israel’s race purity laws?
      
      Does Israel now permit marriage between Jew and Goyim?
      
      Does Israel now permit homosexual marriage?
      
      Was Homosexual marriage not militantly supported by Jewish Prime Ministers in Western countries like Key and Cameron?
      
      Are Ben & Jerry’s not supporting all sorts of extreme left wing causes?
      
      Or have your usual attack lines like “anti-semite”, “Nazi”, “far-right” not silenced me so you’re now labelling me a “troll” instead? 🙂
      
      I just lay down fact after fact after fact after fact and let readers make up their mind.
      
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      July 18, 2017 5:34pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “Was Homosexual marriage not militantly supported by Jewish Prime Ministers in Western countries like Key and Cameron?
        
        Are Ben & Jerry’s not supporting all sorts of extreme left wing causes?”
        
        Because they were/are liberals, not because they may have been Jewish, or had some Jewish heritage. And there are vastly more non-Jewish liberals pushing the Progressive cause than Jewish ones.
        
        I think George Soros is one of the most dangerous and evil men on the planet. But he is dangerous and evil because he is a Progressive Liberal, not because he is Jewish.
        
        Jews are not the problem. Liberalism is.
        
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        July 18, 2017 5:45pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        Also, the double standards argument falls over with a bit of research. For example there are conservative Jewish organizations in the US that have opposed homosexual marriage, there is a Jewish pro 2nd Amendment lobby group, and George Soros hates Israeli nationalism as much as he hates Western nationalism.
        
        To top it off, one of the best articles I have ever read in defense of Western nationalism was written by a Jew and published in a Jewish magazine.
        
        https://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/2016/09/nationalism-and-the-future-of-western-freedom/
        
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        July 18, 2017 6:03pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        And EAD, Alan Dershowitz is a Jew.
        
        “Alan Dershowitz pulverizes liberal anti-Trump Russia theories…”
        
        http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/20/alan-dershowitz-pulverizes-liberal-anti-trump-russia-theories-and-nearly-leaves-carlson-speechless/
        
        “Alan Dershowitz Defends Steve Bannon…”
        
        http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/11/15/alan-dershowitz-steve-bannon-smears-not-legitimate-call-somebody-anti-semite-disagree-policies/
        
        The orblem with your “facts” is that they are highly selective, and arranged to fit your pre-conceived world view. They are not just neutral facts.
        
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        July 18, 2017 6:15pm
rightoverlabour

stuff has this “cry me a river” story about some fool at the end of a runway…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/94764767

the best is the bit here:
“I ended with cuts, bruises, sprains and stitches and then suffered from post-traumatic depression.” and “Recovery from the physical injuries took two to three months, but the ordeal still affected her mentally.”

I am devastated. Please, stuff, could we have some stories of people who played Russian Roulette and are traumatised …..

Idiots
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July 18, 2017 8:22am
- Lance
  
  What’s wrong with these people?
  They go thrill seeking (rather idiotically),it all turns to custard but get away with a few minor injuries and complain of PTSD
  
  Sigh
  
  Bloody cream puffs
  
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  July 18, 2017 1:39pm
holysheet

Eureka, Ive found it. This is where Angry, material and all other leftie fuckwits have left their brains.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/07/17/grisly-discovery-in-spain-45-intact-shrunken-brains-found-at-mass-grave.htm.html

I wonder if the Spanish will return them to Te Papa at great cost to the Spanish Govt. After all, we have set the precedent.
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July 18, 2017 8:24am
- RalphT
  
  Nah, can’t belong to Andy and his friends; didn’t you read that it said the brains were intact?
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:38am
oldgolfer

I don’t know whether Turei was going to be outed, but she has compounded her problems by saying she will pay it back if she is investigated, leaving the clear impression she really doesn’t care; that it was a ”needs must” situation and she had no option but to lie. She has shown the nation she has no respect for the law – something she seeks to administer – and has loaded the gun (and the magazine) for her opponents. She can expect to be reminded of her folly throughout the election campaign.
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July 18, 2017 8:34am
- cmm
  
  She’s also showing a complete lack of scruples.
  
  To get any credibility she should have paid it all back before pressured to do so.
  
  We all know from kindie that if Johnny says sorry because his mum made him do it then he doesn’t really mean it.
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:44am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    If she had “screw pills” she wouldn’t have been pregnant….
    
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    July 18, 2017 9:09am
    - cmm
      
      I blushed when my granny told me that joke in the 1970s.
      
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      July 18, 2017 9:10am
      - holysheet
        
        Johnny was playing outside when he really had to go to the bathroom. He runs in and his grandma was about to take a shower. He looks at her crotch and says, “Whats that?” She says: “Well, it’s a beaver, Johnny.” The next day the same thing happens, only his mom is taking the shower. He says: “Mom I know what that is. It’s a beaver, but I think grandma’s is dead because it’s tongue is hanging out.”
        
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        July 18, 2017 12:03pm
    - Biscuit
      
      rightoverlabour, my keyboard just got a mouthful of coffee needed wiped off it!
      
      Brilliant!
      
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      July 18, 2017 10:02am
- KevOB
  
  I believe she is in breach of her oath as a Parliamentarian. She is duty bound to uphold law and order and not to be seen subverting it.
  
  She has a duty to resign.
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:34am
- Fletch
  
  One of the big problems with it is that she isn’t sorry. If you were sorry and had apologized that would be one thing, but she isn’t. She’s only outing herself to make a political point – that she abused the system because the system isn’t working so she felt justified in doing what she did.
  
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  July 18, 2017 11:36am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yes, Fletch. Anyone would think she was…a politician chasing votes. 😉
    
    Now, a historic lesson. Remember Mary I of England? Most effective advertisement for Protestantism that ever existed in the English-speaking world 😉
    
    Lesson – never make a martyr out of your opponents! 😉
    
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    July 18, 2017 11:39am
    - Fletch
      
      Well, I doubt it is going to be worth the approx $57,000 she is going to have to pay back. She’s not going to end up being Prime Minister.
      
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/taxpayers-union-invoice-metiria-turei-least-57k-money-she-owes
      
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      July 18, 2017 11:47am
      - Kimbo
        
        Oh, I think she would trade a few thousand dollars of a Ministerial salary and consider it well worth it if her stunt lifts the Greens vote by just 1 percentage point, and gets them just one more seat. She won’t be fined or forced to pay $57k, and the Taxpayer Union “invoicing” is an even dumber stunt that hers because it gives her free publicity.
        
        And she is not aiming to be PM. Not yet, anyway. Just minister of Social Development, or at least for the moment. But if Labour withers to the position of the minor party on the left in the next 5 or 10 years (as is very possible)…
        
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        July 18, 2017 11:52am
Igotta Numbum

Ah yes, another day in the good ol’ leftie world…

It’s not OK when you don’t pay your “fair share” of tax to the Government, but perfectly fine to steal some of it from them.
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July 18, 2017 8:37am
waikatogirl

Hone Hawawira wants the Maori seats entrenched so they are not used as a political football. He wants every maori child born automatically listed on the maori roll.
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July 18, 2017 8:39am
- KevOB
  
  Who are Maori?
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:35am
  - Kimbo
    
    Anyone with Maori whakapapa.
    
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    July 18, 2017 11:06am
    - Paulus
      
      What is whakapapa – is it anyone who wants to be Maori can be ?
      Then they can get huge preferences from taxpayers.
      
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      July 18, 2017 11:26am
      - Kimbo
        
        Genealogy.
        
        And huge preferences? I’m unaware of any available to the average Maori. Two votes, party and electorate, just like non-Maori or Maori who choose to go on the general roll for a start (Harawira’s compulsory enrolment in Maori seats and entrenchment is crap, btw). Usually if you want to access benefits from your iwi – just as beneficiaries of any charity or incorporated society – you have to prove your whakapapa.
        
        But then in the current over-excited climate, with an election approaching, and where for some reason a system that has existed since 1867 is suddenly of major importance, indeed, it will allegedly determine our fate as a nation, I think your dial is set to “outrage” rather than “dispassionate analysis”. Fair enough – enjoy your high dudgeon and your variations on “have you stopped beating your wife” questions…
        
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        July 18, 2017 11:30am
      - rangitoto
        
        “Genealogy.”
        
        All this time I thought it was a place you could go skiing.
        
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        July 18, 2017 1:37pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ rangitoto
        
        Looks like you need to work on both your Maori and Greek language skills 😉
        
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        July 18, 2017 2:41pm
Keeping Stock

Keep an eye on this case in the High Court at Auckland; Gustav Otto Sanft shot his daughter in the head from a metre away with a sawn-off shotgun, killing her instantly.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11891562

Here’s a couple of excerpts which may cause you to wonder why he is only on trial for manslaughter and not murder:

During crown prosecutor Katie Hogan’s opening address today, she said: “There is no evidence that the gun fired accidentally.”

The day before Amokoura died Sanft’s elder children were clearing out a hot water cupboard at the house when they found a sawn-off shotgun wrapped in a purple sheet, Hogan said.

Sanft did not have a secure gun safe at the home nor a firearms licence, she said.

What reason is there for a law-abiding citizen to keep a sawn-off shotgun concealed in their home? I can think of no legitimate reason.

But it wasn’t Sanft’s fault, according to his lawyer:

Defence counsel Phil Hamlin said in his opening address that the gun had fired accidentally.

“He caused the death of his child, the own flesh and blood of his daughter, but it was an accident,” he said.

“The shotgun fired accidentally without having to have pulled the trigger.”

He said Sanft did not believe the gun was loaded and did not “point the gun at her or at her head”.

He said Sanft never used the weapon “in any anger, annoyance, frustration” as the Crown alleges.

“Tragically his daughter was killed instantly,” he said, but added the gun was faulty and “unsafe”.

“Mr Sanft does not get the blame for the killing of his daughter, the gun does.

“He didn’t realise it has these unsafe features.”

Any modified firearm is inherently unsafe, but a sawn-off shotgun even moreso. But guns don’t kill people; the people who loaded the ammunition into them, pointed the gun at a target, and pulled the trigger are the real killers.
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July 18, 2017 8:40am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Firearms safety 101.
  
  1. Always assume that a weapon is loaded.
  2. Never point a weapon at anyone or anything unless you intend to use it.
  
  Basic.
  
  The real questions must be asked as to who owned the weapon, and why was the weapon modified in such a manner. If Mr Sanft is in any way associated with the ownership and modification of the weapon, then he is criminally liable. It is tragic that the one who has paid the price for this is a 2 year old girl.
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:54am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Good question RoW – what’s the bet that Mr Sanft is either a member or associate of a criminal gang and/or involved in the methamphetamine trade?
    
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    July 18, 2017 9:07am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Rule 1: Treat all guns as loaded
  Rule 2: Never EVER point a gun at a person
  Rule 3: revisit rules 1 and 2 until you get them….
  Sadly for that poor child she is now dead due to this dimwits stupidity.
  This guy should be locked up and the key thrown away along with the idiot that broke his daughters femur while trying to kick her up the ass! The femur is one of the strongest bones in the human body, how the hell do you break one without using a massive amount of force? Yes kids bones are weaker, but they also flex more before they break.
  There is no justice, there is no decency and there is no sense left in our legal system.
  Shame on you Judge, Shame, Shame Shame!
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:56am
  - RF
    
    I have not really followed this … did the Police also charge him with possession of the sawnoff (pistol).
    
    If not the Judge cannot sentence him on this.
    
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    July 18, 2017 9:12am
  - rangitoto
    
    “This guy should be locked up and the key thrown away along with the idiot that broke his daughters femur while trying to kick her up the ass!”
    
    Must be fake news. Bradford’s anti smacking bill stopped that sort of thing.
    
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    July 18, 2017 11:28am
- rightoverlabour
  
  My understanding is that a sawn off shotgun is primarily used for nefarious activities. (Like robbing banks).
  
  So he has a sawnoff shotgun, no gunsafe, loaded, and easily accessible to children. And he pointed it at his own daughter. Outstanding example of a safety conscious, law abiding, gun owner.
  
  Obviously a case of a tragic mistake. Case dismissed.
  
  In two years of military training I never personally encountered a single case of accidental discharge. Most discharges that were reported occurred when loaded weapons were dropped, impacted on the floor of a moving vehicle or when the trigger was squeezed. Guns don’t ” just go off”.
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:03am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Agreed. It is not even called an ‘accidental discharge’. It is referred to as a UD, or Unintentional Discharge. Any weapon involved in a UD is immediately quarantined and is inspected by a qualified maintainer to determine if there is a fault in the weapon. If no fault is found (and it never is), then the serviceperson in possession of that weapon at the time is charged with an offence, and is prosecuted under military law.
    
    The fines are normally huge!
    
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    July 18, 2017 9:39am
  - MCos
    
    accidental
    aksɪˈdɛnt(ə)l/
    adjective
    1.
    happening by chance, unintentionally, or unexpectedly.
    
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    July 18, 2017 10:23am
  - Lance
    
    The only gun I have heard of is an old style .303 rifle
    If dropped, even on safety, the bloody thing could discharge.
    But that rifle is long gone
    
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    July 18, 2017 1:46pm
- Colville
  
  Ok.
  A sawn off shotty is no more or less dangerous than a full length one. Its just easy to conceal and carry into say a bank.
  This guy is probably dealing and needed it for debt collection, if he wanted it for protection it wouldnt have been hidden away.
  Anything below 30 inches is illegal and the fact he didn’t have a safe or license is pointless if its an illegal gun.
  So, he gets tried for manslaughter and hopefully gets shanked in jail for killing a kid. Or hangs himself.
  
  Did you hear about the mongrel mob guy that “forgot’ his brown paper bag of dope and a loaded pistol in a Havelock North bakery, he went back and asked if they had seen it and then when told they had given it to the police he went to the station and asked for it back 🙂
  I did not make this up!
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:11am
- kowtow
  
  Trial not concluded.
  Best not say anything till then.
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:45am
Monique Watson

Agree with; treat all guns as loaded,
Size your paua.
Trust no-one but listen to everyone.
And count your numbers.
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July 18, 2017 9:02am
waikatogirl

The Warehouse is taking on young unemployed to give them practical work experience. Those who have some work ethic and show initiative are then employed by the Warehouse. The rest are set aside to find employment elsewhere.

The obvious name for those gaining temporary, unpaid experience with these corporations is “Interns”, but the term has strangely been dropped.
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July 18, 2017 9:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, It is a good news story – featuring Anne Tolley… so now buried
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/warehouse-offer-1000-unemployed-young-kiwis-foot-job-ladder
  
  Remember the good old days…. when 15-18year olds could get work experience after school and in the holidays at places like The Warehouse, local supermarkets, cafes, libraries, etc and get PAID?
  Wow, imagine that .. kids getting valuable work experience.
  Now, what great brain decided to do away with Youth wages and reduce folks to unpaid slave LABOUR?
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:16am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Hi Maggy
    
    Who you voting for today?
    
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    July 18, 2017 9:20am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @rol
      
      I’m swinging today…
      I spent all yesterday trying to think up a good beneficiary scam I could run when Hubby turns 65 in a couple of months.
      Sadly, I lack criminal imagination….
      
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      July 18, 2017 9:30am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Be interested in that. I turn 65 soon, but my partner is 59. For both to carry on working caused problems – there are restrictions. Maybe a separation and we both board is the Trust owned house?
        
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        July 18, 2017 9:43am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Maggy, many an aged gentlemen who return to NZ with a much younger Thai bride in tow seem to be able to wangle the new young wife onto receiving the married OAP. Perhaps you need a way to hide all your assets so you can work this into your plan?
        
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        July 18, 2017 9:57am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @WG
        work
        
        It’s that dreaded 4-letter word that is putting paid to my nefarious schemes.
        
        I had thought of running our place as an illegal bnb..
        getting folks to stay as “holiday guests” once I’d accepted their big koha. But I’m a misanthrope..
        
        Then I thought of harvesting and processing my opium poppies and Datura and selling to the locals… but that requires too much effort.
        
        I’ll just hang out and see which politician offers most freebies.
        
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        July 18, 2017 10:51am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Nevermind Maggy, put your feet up and enjoy your garden and your lot in life.
        
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        July 18, 2017 11:46am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Is it absolutely necessary that he remains alive? Just increases the options…… But, you could always join the Greens and get some advice from their leadership team.
        
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        July 18, 2017 12:44pm
  - KevOB
    
    My best work experience was as a paper boy both selling and delivering. I believe I started at only 9.
    Work was plentiful for youth. Wellington Hospital paid me to work in the X-Ray Dept darkroom for one Xmas hols season about 13-14. Child labour? No. I was well paid and the family benefited.
    The only time I felt exploited I organised a strike of paper boys aged 11.
    Young people are far too molly coddled: how can they ever grow up?
    
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    July 18, 2017 9:49am
  - Gabby
    
    Because employing youth for fewer hours and the same overall amount as youth rates would have been is unthinkable.
    
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    July 18, 2017 12:41pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I see it more as an opportunity myself and certainly the young lady on the news item I saw working on the on-line order dispatch certainly saw it as such.
  
  I would swap a month of free labour for a job or the opportunity of a job at the end of it, soon get that investment of your time back in buckets if it comes off, and, if it doesn’t, you tried
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:17am
- VicParking
  
  First union came out this morning on Red radio to say the warehouse are using unpaid “female” labour so they dont need to give staff 40 hrs per week.
  That family support is wrong and causes some employees to pay 100% tax some weeks????
  He then came out and said they are not affiliated to the Labour party and the Greens policies are best for workers.
  RNZ: Where do they get them from
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:24am
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Unaffordable cities breed modern-day Luddites – Robert J Shiller – Opinion – Financial News

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/unaffordable-cities-breed-modern-day-luddites-20170717

The evidence suggests resistance to new housebuilding really does drive up prices, hurting cities’ diversity and vibrancy …

… As this year’s Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey shows, there are already massive disparities across major global cities (measured by the ratio of median home prices to median household income). A high ratio correlates with high pressure for people to leave. … read more via hyperlink above …

2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

Robert J. Shiller – Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Shiller

… Why the Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey is important. New Zealander and co-author Hugh Pavletich explained early 2011 …

Report: housing affordability out of sync with incomes … Hugh Pavletich … Sydney Morning Herald / The Age Australia

https://www.domain.com.au/news/report-housing-affordability-out-of-sync-with-incomes-20110202-1ad3m/
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  … A simple structural definition of an affordable housing market … via http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …
  
  DEFINITION OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING MARKET
  
  For metropolitan areas to rate as ‘affordable’ and ensure that housing bubbles are not triggered, housing prices should not exceed three times gross annual household earnings. To allow this to occur, new starter housing of an acceptable quality to the purchasers, with associated commercial and industrial development, must be allowed to be provided on the urban fringes at 2.5 times the gross annual median household income of that urban market (refer Demographia Survey Schedules for guidance).
  
  The critically important Development Ratios for this new fringe starter housing, should be 17 – 23% serviced lot / section cost – the balance the actual housing construction.
  
  Ideally through a normal building cycle, the Median Multiple should move from a Floor Multiple of 2.3, through a Swing Multiple of 2.5 to a Ceiling Multiple of 2.7 – to ensure maximum stability and optimal medium and long term performance of the residential construction sector.
  
  Deluge of affordability data forces government’s hand | The New Daily
  
  http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/property/2017/02/02/housing-affordability/
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:07am
  - KevOB
    
    Watch the FED and the other Central Banks change all the pricing ratios with their massive money supply creation. Value and price are independent and the ideals you promote only work when money supply is properly controlled.
    Stand by: prices will fall; the reckless asset price inflation cannot continue for ever.
    
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    July 18, 2017 10:00am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/links-18-july-2017/#comment-2917907
      
      California … a long-term housing disaster … with a population approaching 40 million that only produces about 80,000 new residential units a year … a disastrous build rate of about 2 units per 1000 population per annum (at the bottom of the heap with the British).
      
      If Australia was producing at this rate, it would be building about 49,000 units a year … New Zealand about 9,400 !
      
      California is nowhere near solving its massive housing problems.
      
      The Cost of a Hot Economy in California: A Severe Housing Crisis … New York Times
      
      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/us/california-housing-crisis.html
      
      Opinion: Housing crisis in California needs action, now … The Mercury News
      
      http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/15/opinion-to-end-housing-crisis-california-needs-to-make-it-easier-to-build/
      
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      July 18, 2017 11:02am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/links-18-july-2017/#comment-2918053 … and …
        
        Toronto housing takes sharp turn into buyer’s market – The Globe and Mail
        
        https://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-estate/the-market/toronto-housing-takes-abrupt-turn-into-buyers-market/article35709009/
        
        By one metric, the Greater Toronto housing market has quickly shifted from a seller’s market to one favouring buyers.
        
        The area’s sales-to-new-listings ratio dropped to 39.4 per cent in June, according to seasonally adjusted figures released Monday by the Canadian Real Estate Association. In January, it topped 94 per cent.
        
        A ratio between 40 and 60 per cent is generally thought to reflect balanced market conditions. A reading above 60 indicates a seller’s market; a reading below 40 indicates a buyer’s market. Prior to June, Greater Toronto was last in buyer’s territory in 2009. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        A Third Of The Money In Toronto’s Housing Market Has Disapeared … Huffington Post
        
        http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/07/17/canadian-home-sales-drop-by-the-most-in-7-years_a_23033866/
        
        Google search … Toronto Housing News
        
        https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=toronto+housing&tbm=nws&spf=1500339544072
        
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        July 18, 2017 1:05pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Shock rise in China’s shadow banking enrages Xi Jinping … AEP … UK Telegraph (behind paywall)
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/07/17/shock-rise-chinas-shadow-banking-enrages-xi-jinping/
        
        China’s central bank has revealed shocking figures on the scale of shadow banking operations in the country, admitting that off-balance sheet business is more than double previous estimates.
        
        Bank assets are approaching $38 trillion (£29 trillion). The explosive growth of hidden activities on the margins of the financial system has alarmed the People’s Bank (PBOC), and suggests that the two-year credit spree since the downturn in early 2015 is treacherously unstable.
        
        The Chinese version of the PBOC’s Financial Stability Report – not yet available in English – shows that the shadow banking nexus is bigger than all other regular activities of the lenders put together. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 18, 2017 7:29pm
Monique Watson

The Horrid and the Stuff are a bit of a dirge today.
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July 18, 2017 9:07am
- oldgolfer
  
  Just today?
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:09am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Read Alan Duff, one of the better pieces for today, for most days in the chip wrapper in fact.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11891860
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:21am
- VicParking
  
  School holidays, all the staff are up the mountain.
  Online: articles repeated up to three times. Articles from three or four days ago repeated. Articles pulled directly from the Mail or BBC.
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:27am
- KevOB
  
  I’ve dropped the Horrid some time ago. Stuff is just tolerable.
  
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  July 18, 2017 10:48am
- Longknives
  
  It’s funny- The thing everyone wants to talk about on talkback and on Blogs is the disgraceful attitude of the Greens and their fucking lunatic Welfare Policy.
  Herald and Stuff are both pretending like it didn’t happen..
  
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  July 18, 2017 1:14pm
EAD_TWO

Fascinating video called “White Genocide as explained by its Architects” starring Pat Condell, Paul Joseph Watson, Alex Jones and Stefan Molyneux amongst others:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWsuKbeg50E

The video examines the psychological warfare inflicted on Whites through a long term plan via a tightly controlled MSM, etc., and how they havementally softened Whites up with feelings of guilt, to the degree that most Whites are willingly surrendering their lands and people to being invaded by the Third World, who will, given enough time, will completely dominate and finally destroy White societies.
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July 18, 2017 9:12am
MrTips

Is it just me or does a suitable punishment for Turei’s living allowance fraud seem to be 5 years hard time listening to Hugh’s monologues on streaming WiFi?
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July 18, 2017 9:12am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Copying them out with a ballpoint on toilet paper as well as the interminable links!
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:23am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    For added punishment, she should have to listen to Tracey Martin reading it.
    
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    July 18, 2017 10:24am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      In sign so Mojo can stand in when Tracey is off sick
      
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      July 18, 2017 10:34am
    - marcw
      
      In Primer one stuttering Maori, just as we suffer.
      
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      July 18, 2017 1:24pm
jcuk

I gather from the RNZ News that a hospital in the north island is in crisis because a fire destroyed their computer.
What sort of incompetant bums do not have a back-up in a separate room.
As private individual I have back-up on a second hard drive but for an essential service provider it is quite unbelievable not to have this.
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July 18, 2017 9:23am
- Peter
  
  Why aren’t they using the cloud?
  
  I haven’t done a backup in years. No need. Always on.
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:35am
  - KevOB
    
    That’s not necessarily sufficient either. Mirroring files may just mean that they are destroyed too.
    
    My solution is a bit brute force but with client work I have to to be able to continue and speedily. I make a mirror image of the whole C:\ drive after all significant work. The Macrium program is free for many and works well.
    A separate hard drive drive is essential and it needs to be physically detached when not in use. The attachable USB drives are very useful and Macrium can find them on its boot and restore application.
    
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    July 18, 2017 10:21am
    - Ed Snack
      
      A serious organization will have several levels of backup, plus also a plan to restore on alternative hardware if needed.
      
      The trouble with pure cloud backups is that in the event of a full loss of local data but no facilities loss, restoring can take a very long time for large volumes of data. I backup only about 6 Tb of critical data as a series of VM snapshots and do so locally and also lift stuff off-line to an online repository on a daily basis. The dailies are incremental so not too time consuming. First point of restore is the local storage on a NAS as that would be reasonably fast. A full restore to the same equipment from off-site would take a very long time even over a 200 Mbps link and the off-site storage is in NZ so if needed the data can be quite rapidly copied to one or more portable disks (8 Tb disks exist) and physically brought to the site if needed.
      
      I also have files copied and replicated locally on network on a more frequent basis; and have a replicated DR server available to switch to for any of the key servers; speed might be a little slower but we’d have a functional system to go on with.
      
      Serious organizations have serious Business Continuation plans, and back-ups are merely a part of the whole plan, albeit an important part.
      
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      July 18, 2017 10:55am
      - Peter
        
        But why is the system data ever local to start with? This is a small hospital we’re talking about.
        
        Using cloud, you only need connection. Fairly easily to make that redundant. That leaves mirroring, “backup” and system availability to the cloud provider, who is much better placed to provide it.
        
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        July 18, 2017 11:27am
Happychappy

Who is funding Mike King to keep pushing Mental Health problems after last week agreeing that progress was being made with a pilot scheme being introduced into some schools on trail. I beleive someone is not happy that progress was being made and needed the problem highlighted in the media right up to September 23rd Election.
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July 18, 2017 9:26am
- KevOB
  
  Labour have got an activist PR agency.
  
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  July 18, 2017 10:22am
Manolo

Comrade Yoza’s hero tastes defeat:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-idUSKBN1A20BR?il=0
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July 18, 2017 9:28am
waikatogirl

Stuff are asking for beneficiaries to share their stories of what it is really like to be on welfare.

How about Stuff ask for hard working kiwis to share their stories of what it is really like to work hard and pay tax.

Both ridiculous.
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July 18, 2017 9:46am
- KevOB
  
  This could be another PR team stunt. If you talk to any journalist expect them to say what they want not what you said.
  
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  July 18, 2017 10:24am
kowtow

Follow up on an earlier DPF post.

“The stalker who harassed a Dunedin businessman for two and a-half years can now be revealed as a police officer.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/harasser-revealed-officer
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July 18, 2017 9:49am
Steve (North Shore)

Voting. We fly out before we can vote (Aug 28th)and return Sept 30th. There are certain options to download forms online, then post them – but internet in the Alaskan Interior is limited, and there are no physical places to have a vote recorded.
Any suggestions?
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July 18, 2017 9:49am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Any suggestions?”
  
  Don’t be such a rich prick that you can afford to goof around off work for a month.
  Or: Time your trip to not coincide with the election.
  But if you’re not a Nat voter you’re excused.
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:59am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Timing the trip for the Aurora Borealis. The Northern Lights do not wait for Elections. I am a Nat voter Capt. Gotta keep those commie socialists out in the wilderness.
    Oh, did I mention Hawaii on the way to and from Alaska? Gotta warm up again you know
    
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    July 18, 2017 10:27am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Bugger. If your non-vote causes problems for the Nats you will have a lot to answer for.
      
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      July 18, 2017 11:09am
- waikatogirl
  
  Depends, who are you intending to vote for? ?
  
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  July 18, 2017 10:01am
  - kowtow
    
    Won’t be the Greens , I’m guessing he’s off to shoot some moose ,and he can afford to do it!
    
    Happy hunting!
    
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    July 18, 2017 10:05am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      My shooting is done with a camera and a Mavic Pro
      
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      July 18, 2017 10:29am
      - kowtow
        
        Happy clicking.
        
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        July 18, 2017 12:32pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, do the download and post them in…..
  
  That’s a damn sight more convenient than how it used to be..
  
  A few elections back I had to fly from Taiwan to Seoul just to vote at our Embassy there.
  
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  July 18, 2017 11:21am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Even posting may not be in the time frame. Apparently I can download, mark, sign, photograph or scan and email it back. No digital signature – must be signed. Should be some internet at Homer – I booked a flight and lodge there online
    
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    July 18, 2017 2:03pm
    - Pateke
      
      Yup, internet at Homer and Seward, Fairbanks, Palmer, Talkeetna.
      
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      July 18, 2017 3:42pm
backster

Did I hear Larry right this morning, New Zealand has paid another two and a half million to the corrupt Clinton Foundation to share with some African nabob ostensibly to fight aids…Yeah Right.
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July 18, 2017 9:53am
- Manolo
  
  Yes, this Labour-lite government continues to bet on and give money to the Clinton mafia.
  
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  July 18, 2017 10:00am
- MCos
  
  You’ve made the allegation. Now let’s see you back it up.
  
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  July 18, 2017 10:09am
  - Ed Snack
    
    No way, that’s a dangerous thing to do. Ask Klaus Eberwein, oops, can’t do that, he’s been found dead in a putative suicide. Eberwein was due to appear on Tuesday before the Haitian Senate Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission where he was widely expected to testify that the Clinton Foundation misappropriated Haiti earthquake donations from international donors.
    
    Eberwein was 50 and had recently expressed fears that his life was in danger because of his impending testimony. Eberwein served as director general of the government’s economic development agency, Fonds d’assistance économique et social, for three years.
    
    Backster, that’s a nice life you have, be a shame if something “happened” to it, so no proof please.
    
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    July 18, 2017 11:02am
    - itstricky
      
      http://www.snopes.com/klaus-eberwein/
      
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      July 18, 2017 11:21am
- KevOB
  
  May just have to consider:
  Party National
  Electorate NZF
  It won’t change the outcome here but should be noted.
  
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  July 18, 2017 10:29am
Manolo

While Brussels washes its hands, this mayor has had enough of the invaders:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4703710/Italian-mayor-BARRICADES-hotel-stop-migrants-moving-in.html

A Sicilian mayor has gone to extreme lengths to stop migrants moving into his area – by barricading an abandoned hotel where new arrivals were set to take up residence.

Vincenzo Lionetto Civa, mayor of Castel’Umberto in the Messina province, wrote an ‘urgent and important’ Facebook post, telling residents that the local prefect had informed him that the 30 or so migrants would be transferred to a local hotel.
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July 18, 2017 10:11am
DifferentPerspective

Dubious Buis profession suppression lifted

Our host blogged in May here and here on the extremely dodgy preferential treatment of Dunedin “government employee” Jeremy Buis by the NZ police.

Firstly, there was the appallingly small 200 hrs community service conviction for making the poor victims life hell for a number of years. Then there was the suppression of Buis’ profession to nothing more than “government employee”. Then there was the special treatment of ushering the villain out of a side door to avoid waiting media types.

Evidently, the suppression has been lifted and Buis is a cop. What can we take from this? Well, the law doesn’t apply equally to everyone after all – apparently cops can expect soft sentencing and preferential treatment compared to what the run of the mill guilty party gets.

Marry this up with serious impropriety in systematically victimising a gun-owner up the road in Ashburton and you have to wonder what the hell is the matter with SI police?
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July 18, 2017 10:51am
- kowtow
  
  I urge anyone who is in the least bit concerned about the abuse of citizens’ rights in New Zealand to take the time to read the full decision by the Judge.
  
  That is one heck of a judicial smacking handed out to Plod and is the type of thing that all concerned citizens should be worried about.
  
  It is also the type of story that should be on the front page of every newspaper in the country as well as leading the radio and news broadcasts , not irrelevant anti Trump propaganda which is a distraction from real issues here in Aotearoa , formerly New Zealand.
  
  Nor is it isolated to Timaru and Ashburton , this was buried on page 3 of the ODT yesterday.Another judicial smacking.
  
  “A senior Dunedin police officer has been slammed by the court over his involvement in a case in which he had a conflict of interest”
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/court-news/judge-critical-senior-officer
  
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  July 18, 2017 12:39pm
  - Longknives
    
    Dunedin Police- The most crooked bunch in the Country..
    
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    July 18, 2017 1:09pm
- Longknives
  
  Why doesn’t this turkey just resign? He is doing irrepairable damage to the (already dubious) reputation of his Colleagues at Dunedin Police..
  
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  July 18, 2017 1:11pm
Keeping Stock

An interesting sidelight to the Turei revelation. A few weeks ago, Green and Labour female MP’s almost universally condemned the sanction of reducing the benefit paid to women who refuse to reveal the name of the father of their child(ren).

You’d think these sanctions were introduced by a heartless, neoliberal National government, and that the idea probably originated with those nasty Act right-wingers, right? Then you may find this presser interesting:

Steve Maharey
12 APRIL, 2005

New law will ensure more DPB parents name father

Legislation passed today will further reduce the number of sole parents on the DPB who refuse to name the other parent of their child, Social Development and Employment Minister Steve Maharey said.

The Social Security (Social Assistance) Amendment Bill raises the penalty for sole parents who decline to name the other parent of their child from $22 to $28 a week. The changes, under section 70 A of the Social Security Act, will take effect on 1 July this year.

Steve Maharey says the new rules will strengthen measures in place since last year that have seen a 15.8 per cent drop in the numbers of sole parents who refuse to name the other parent of their child.

“In the 1990s the number of people refusing to name the other parent – usually the fathers – of their child grew by over 40 per cent. This government has reversed this trend and as a result we are seeing fewer people being penalised for not naming the other parent. The changes approved today will ensure this trend continues.”

In addition to the penalties, Work and Income staff have been providing practical information and support to encourage clients to name the liable parent.

“Since 1 July last year, more than 14,000 sole parents have been interviewed by Work and Income staff about their deductions. As a result, nearly 3,200 people have had their deductions removed.

“The changes approved today will not disadvantage beneficiaries who have valid reasons for not naming the other parent of their child. Exemptions from 70 A penalties will remain in place for these people.

“Some people have good reasons for not naming the other parent of their child and Work and Income has processes in place to verify them. These can include an inability to confirm paternity or serious concerns about their family’s safety.

“It’s important to remember that 85 per cent of sole parents on benefit have established paternity and do apply for child support. There’s a fine balance to strike in sanctioning parents without punishing children. I’m confident that the system approved today achieves this balance.”

Steve Maharey
Social Development and Employment

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-law-will-ensure-more-dpb-parents-name-father

So perhaps Andrew Little or Jacinda Ardern will confirm for us that Labour will indeed roll back Steve Maharey’s legislation to compel beneficiaries to name the father of their children, except in certain circumstances.

To continue to pretend that National is to blame for this is just a Little bit dishonest, don’tcha think?
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July 18, 2017 10:58am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Just for clarification, Maharey introduced this legislation in September 2004.
  
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-bill-contains-important-social-security-changes
  
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  July 18, 2017 11:05am
- Nermal
  
  Why not use the simple expedient of doing a DNA check on the child. No doubt many of the dead beat sperm donors are already in the system.
  
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  July 18, 2017 2:19pm
Happychappy

The IPCA have decided not to peruse a case over the Todd Barclay saga it has been announced today. How is Winston and Andrew going to handle this result it won’t be what they wanted so interesting times ahead.
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July 18, 2017 11:47am
- Kimbo
  
  Hmm. is that a cryptic question? 😉 With
  
  1. Outrage
  2. Indignation
  3. “Corruption!”
  4. Demands for resignations
  
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  July 18, 2017 11:59am
- Keeping Stock
  
  To be fair Happychappy, the IPCA has “only” decided that there was no wrongdoing by Police in the original investigation into Barclay, which resulted in a decision that there was insufficient evidence on which to charge him.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94840070/ipca-clear-police-of-any-wrong-doing-in-the-handling-of-the-todd-barclay-secret-recording-investigation
  
  What will REALLY get Andrew Little angry and Winston Peters into full outrage mode will be if a second Police investigation comes to the same conclusion as the first one.
  
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  July 18, 2017 12:15pm
Fletch

From February this year – Ben Stein offering some justified criticism of the media and schools the news anchor on Nixon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vACfwwisps8
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July 18, 2017 12:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I don’t think I will vote TOP

Gareth is going to give everyone 18-23 $200/week, so they can follow their dreams.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94838941/gareth-morgan-wants-to-pay-every-young-person-200-a-week-with-youth-ubi

I didn’t get a weekly handout from the Gvt to follow my dreams…. but I got the possibility of Tertiary Education at a very cheap rate…. as long as I passed all my papers.
I studied hard because I couldn’t afford to fail.
What incentive is there to succeed if money rolls in whether you work or sloth about?
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July 18, 2017 12:32pm
Keeping Stock

You’ve got to hand it to Gareth Morgan. There’s nothing subtle about his attempts to purchase votes, with your money and mine:

All New Zealanders between 18 and 23 will be given an obligation-free $200 a week under an Opportunities Party policy announced this afternoon.

The policy would allow young people to “pursue their dreams” and “take stress off … at a pivotal time” in their lives, the party said.

The Opportunities Party (TOP) has previously announced an “unconditional basic income” for over-65s and families with children under 3.

But today it said budget surpluses announced this year would make it possible to extend a basic income to “one of the most needy and neglected groups in society possible”.

Young adults in New Zealand had the highest suicide rate in the OECD and faced intergenerational inequity, the party said in a statement. They also experienced the highest levels of unemployment and faced the greatest challenge getting into the labour market.

“The Youth UBI is designed to give any young person the sort of security they need to learn, search for work, pursue a career or undertake any sort of volunteer or community work without the fear of being penniless.

“They will not be stood down, drug-tested, stigmatised or examined to qualify. The UBI will be theirs as of right from the age of 18 [until] their 23rd birthday.”

TOP said National’s proposed tax cuts, which are worth up to $20 a week, would be scrapped in favour of the UBI.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11892084

Get your heads around that folks. Gareth Morgan is going to give EVERY 18 to 23 year old $200 per week, whether they need it or not. And to fund it, he’s going to cancel the tax cuts which have already been passed into law.

Is this the most blatant election bribe ever offered in a New Zealand election?
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July 18, 2017 12:33pm
- Longknives
  
  $200 a week to spend on the piss.
  Where were you Gareth when I was at University??
  Christ I had to actually get a job to pay my way through…
  
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  July 18, 2017 1:26pm
  - Prince
    
    His wife worked and paid his way.
    
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    July 18, 2017 2:53pm
- MrTips
  
  Shades of Helen in 2005 with the interest free student loans.
  
  Gareth: you can do this if you make sure every 18-23 yr old gets out of bed and does something with their day….what’s that…no? Oh….f%&$ off then.
  
  Bloody progressives…pay and bribe their way out of giving a damn about people.
  
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  July 18, 2017 1:57pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    It’s easy to spend taxpayer money, eh Gareth!!!
    
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    July 18, 2017 6:48pm
- Peter
  
  Trying to out-ridiculous the Greens. And succeeding.
  
  Look, I really don’t mind all these handouts so long as we find some massive oil field. But, until then, don’t we owe it to working people not sink them with unaffordable state largess?
  
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  July 18, 2017 3:02pm
- Johnboy
  
  The ugly little tosser’s probably going to finance it out of all the profits he never made me in his kiwisaver scheme! 🙂
  
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  July 18, 2017 6:56pm
Fletch

A brief anecdote that sums up the difference in military strategy between Obama and Trump.

Early one morning, Secretary of Defense James Mattis called Trump to ask about a troop deployment in ISIS-held Syria, according to Graham.

“We’re asking permission to send 50 of our soldiers into a village outside Raqqa,” Graham quoted Mattis as having said.

“Why are you calling me?” replied Trump, “I don’t know where this village is at.”

Graham said Mattis answered that, “Well, that’s what we’ve done for the last 8 years.”

Graham said that Trump then asked who wanted to send troops to that village, and Mattis replied that a major who was first in his class at West Point had made the request.

“’Why do you think I know more about that than he does?’” Trump replied, according to Graham. “And then he hung up,” said Graham.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-mattis-military-strategy-obama-syria-raqqa-news-2017-7?r=US&IR=T
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July 18, 2017 12:38pm
Fletch

England’s first state-funded Muslim secondary schools – that segregated boys and girls and had books promoting domestic violence and marital rape – is to be taken over by the Government.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/07/17/uks-first-state-funded-muslim-school-taken-over-by-gov-after-pro-rape-books-found/
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July 18, 2017 12:39pm
- kowtow
  
  Funny thing about these “firsts” is how the y go tits up so quickly , what is it about Islam that makes evrything so difficult?
  
  “The founder of a new liberal mosque in Berlin that allows men and women to pray side by side has vowed to press on with her project even though the institution has been issued with a fatwa from Egypt and attacked by religious authorities in Turkey within a week of its opening……
  
  The lawyer, who is currently training to become an imam, said she had received “300 emails per day encouraging me to carry on”, including from as far away as Australia and Algeria, but also “3,000 emails a day full of hate”, some of them including death threats.”
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/25/ibn-rushd-goethe-mosque-berlin-seyran-ates-egypt-fatwa-burqa-niqab
  
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  July 18, 2017 12:47pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94838941/gareth-morgan-wants-to-pay-every-young-person-200-a-week-with-youth-ubi

What the actual fuck…..this could be the biggest bribe ever. Gareth could be outlooping the Greens on this one….
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July 18, 2017 1:19pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Whooppee – more free money from the rich pricks.
  All so I can lie in bed and snap-chat all day.
  Life is good.
  I’ll never fail……because Mummy and Daddy told me so.
  
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  July 18, 2017 1:23pm
Manolo

The Muslim Mayor on President Trump:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4705376/London-won-t-roll-red-carpet-Trump-says-Sadiq-Khan.html

Sadiq Khan has warned Donald Trump that there will be ‘no red carpet’ should he visit the United Kingdom.

The Mayor of London renewed his war of words with the U.S. President ahead of a proposed state visit to the capital.
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July 18, 2017 1:48pm
EAD_TWO

A Canadian baby has become the first person in the world to not be registered with a sex at birth. Its government ID card states its sex as being U for unknown. It is not a baby boy or a baby girl. It is a raceless, sexless, motherless, fatherless, object. There is now a campaign in Canada to become the first country in the world not to register any baby’s sex at birth, leaving it for the child to decide later. No doubt they will succeed if Sweden doesn’t beat them to it.

Needless to say the poor little bastard’s “parent” is a “non-binary transgender person who prefers the pronouns they/them,”.

Not satisfied with denying children the stability of a mother and father, now they won’t even be allowed to know whether they are boys or girls. The day is fast approaching when we will all address each other as comrade or consumer unit.

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/canadian-baby-receives-genderless-government-issued-id-n779761

We have reached levels of depravity far, far beyond Weimar. Does the Western World revolt or go insane?
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July 18, 2017 1:56pm
- Manolo
  
  I’m sure Mr Trudeau will be very happy and proud of his “progressive” country.
  
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  July 18, 2017 1:58pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  How on earth could the sex of the infant be unknown? If it has a penis then it is male. How hard can that be?
  
  (It might decide on its gender after puberty (although the correlation between biological sex and gender self-identification is extremely high in the population as a whole)).
  
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  July 18, 2017 3:24pm
Fletch

Absolutely disgraceful. A terrorist who joined the Taliban, threw a grenade that killed a U.S soldier (he admitted the murder) and was sent to Gitmo, has sued the Canadian government and been awarded over $8 million (all because he was born in Canada).

WTF is wrong with these people? The Govt also sneakily did it while their congress was not in session, so no questions could be asked. They didn’t even talk to the dead soldiers widow.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/17/omar-khadr-canada-pays-ex-gitmo-detainee-who-killed-us-soldier-millions-but-soldiers-widow-may-never-see-dime.html
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July 18, 2017 2:24pm
- kowtow
  
  Fletch
  
  The Canadians love their diversity dividend.
  
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  July 18, 2017 3:41pm
Manolo

Trump takes a big hit:
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDefault/*/Article_2017-07-17-APFN-US–Congress-Health%20Overhaul/id-2054d84aa147460c80d17025a79dfd32

The latest GOP effort to repeal and replace “Obamacare” was fatally wounded in the Senate Monday night when two more Republican senators announced their opposition to legislation strongly backed by President Donald Trump.
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July 18, 2017 2:24pm
- Inandout
  
  If I was Trump I would just wait until Obamacare collapses. It is sicker than most of its recipients.
  
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  July 18, 2017 3:02pm
  - KevOB
    
    What Obamacare? The whole US health care system is an insurance industry ripoff. Everyone is on the make except the patients. The scheme cobbled together some entitlements but the insurers have and are opting out. They are going to have to restart afresh in the US. What a mess.
    
    An excellent lesson why well thought out public care like we have in NZ is to be preferred.
    
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    July 18, 2017 4:02pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/94835985/sanft-trial-court-hears-distressing-111-call-from-passerby

A sad business shooting your own kid, but I still hope they hang this bloke up by the toenails.

This was not an accident.
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July 18, 2017 2:37pm
- GazzaW
  
  What innocent party keeps a loaded sawn-off shotgun laying around the house?
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:44pm
chris

What happened to marquess? He seems to have gone off the radar about the same time as ztev got banned… Quite possibly a coincidence, as it is the school holidays – if there are any small marquesses around.
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July 18, 2017 3:21pm
- Kimbo
  
  You overlook they are a “Gang of Four” in the Labour Parliamentary press officer corp:
  
  ztev
  marquess
  Psycho Milt
  ross001
  
  …but as Turei has been the target for Kiwibloggers recently, they have no doubt been elsewhere running distractions, obfuscations and beating the grass for squirrels.
  
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  July 18, 2017 3:26pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    In fairness to Psycho Milt, I think he’s more part of Team Green, and I seem to recall he is Manawatu based, not Wellington.
    
    When you consider however that Labour’s inner circle includes at least three activists who have blogged pseudonymously at The Standard, you can draw your own conclusions about the others. Anyone for Dirty Politics?
    
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    July 18, 2017 3:51pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Don’t forget the stephieboy team and the milky bar kid.
    
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    July 18, 2017 8:42pm
Tauhei Notts

I saw a beancounter’s analysis of the costs of the military. All figures are in US$
A $70,000 weapon fired from an aircraft that costs $30,000 per hour to fly is used to destroy a Toyota pickup valued at less than $10,000
A $692,000 missile could disable a $3,900,000,000 aircraft carrier. Armaments manufacturers are involved in an unusual industry that just might NOT be sustainable.
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July 18, 2017 4:10pm
rightoverlabour

Just seen this on Fox

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/16/will-sun-put-brakes-on-global-warming.html

I wonder if this is the beginning of the end of the alarmist agenda…
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July 18, 2017 5:01pm
- Gruffydd
  
  It was magnetic poles shifting and no such thing as the green house effect fuckwittery from rightoverlabour last week .
  You have no idea at all do you halfwit. …
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:02pm
Shawn Herles

“I wonder if this is the beginning of the end of the alarmist agenda…”

Doubtful. Over the last few years there has been a growing critique of the modeling used to predict catastrophic global warming, including peer reviewed papers, and even one of the pro-global warming scientists involved in the climategate scandal has changed his tune, but none of this has stopped the alarmist brigade from screaming “we are all going to die in a few years is radical action is not taken RIGHT NOW!”

I’m agnostic on the issue global warming. It may well be an issue. But there is no doubt that the science has been politicized and twisted for the purposes of advancing global governance and attacking national sovereignty. And that, not concern for the environment and sustainable conservation, is what the alarmists are really interested in. The Paris Accords scam being a prime example.
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July 18, 2017 5:27pm
- Gruffydd
  
  none of this has stopped the alarmist brigade from screaming “we are all going to die in a few years is radical action is not taken RIGHT NOW!”
  
  Would you like to link to that statement shawny ?
  Or is it another stupidity that your imaginary friend told you while you were watching a hand grow back.
  AKA
  In your head .
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:17pm
realityczech

Americas first “Somali American” cop scores his first kill.

She called the cops to make a false complaint of sexual assault in a nearby alley. Mohamad turns up and shoots her !

Priceless.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/australian-woman-justine-ruszczyk-shot-dead-by-us-cop/news-story/225a25f32f3ee635cad21dc60ba67c42
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July 18, 2017 5:54pm
- Johnboy
  
  Meanwhile we keep hiring folk in strange police headgear of choice to check out OUR bak alys? 🙂
  
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  July 18, 2017 5:59pm
  - dad4justice
    
    Not to mention the tranny copper Johnboy what a laugh this country is 🙂 When it asks you a question do you say No Sir or No Ma’am or No You Are A Sick Sad Joke PLEASE FUCK OFF?
    
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    July 18, 2017 6:02pm
    - Johnboy
      
      If it had a glock or a police dog I’d say whatever it bloody wanted dad! 🙂
      
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      July 18, 2017 6:10pm
  - realityczech
    
    Somalis with a gun and a badge should take the mad medias attention of Trump’s speech-crimes for a few days.
    
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    July 18, 2017 6:02pm
Jack5

Immigration is building to be one of the key elements in the general election campaign. But in Southland Wellington bureaucrats are pushing on with a campaign to make the region welcome refugees and migrants they plan to direct to the region.

Meanwhile, 40 jobs were lost at Mataura recently. That’s quite a big hit in a small population. Obviously the bureaucrats aim to funnel cheap Asian labour into Southland dairy farms, continuing to ignore local youth unemployment.

The Ministry of Business, Innovation, and Employment and the Immigration Department are pressing on locally with publicity to influence locals to welcome newcomers.

If this isn’t a bureaucracy push right near voting time to influence political views, what is it? The question is: are the bureaucrats trying to boost support for National; OR are they cunningly trying to drive up the NZ First vote in Southland?

How did the Ministry of Business, Innovation, and Employment get such an awkward title? A government department of innovation? Was this satire?
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July 18, 2017 6:05pm
- realityczech
  
  Oh neat ! Can we have armed Somalis too ?
  
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  July 18, 2017 6:10pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Try Daysh Street Naenae on a Friday/Saturday night rc! Helen put them there!
    
    Even the name of the street seems to suit! 🙂
    
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    July 18, 2017 6:27pm
- niggly
  
  Jack, IIRC the Dunedin mayor David Cull publicly made a big deal of wanting the refugees to come to Dunedin/Otago (about the time of the MSM manipulating public opinion of the drowned boy on the Turkish beach?), so it started with the do-gooders down there themselves, out doing each other to virtue signal the loudest.
  
  But granted I get your point, the rest of the population there didn’t have a say …
  
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  July 18, 2017 7:22pm
Viking2

Queensland senator Larissa Waters today announced her resignation from the Senate after discovering she was still a Canadian citizen, having been born in Winnipeg to Australian parents before moving back to Australia as an 11-month-old.

The shock move followed the resignation last week of co-deputy Scott Ludlam amid revelations he held dual Australia-NZ citizenship. Section 44 of the Constitution makes dual citizens ineligible to hold elected office.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-government/queensland-greens-senator-larissa-waters-resigns-over-dual-citizenship/news-story/ecb99e946835145fd8f6dacdbf55e131

Wonder if those in the Greens with funny accents are also dual cits and do they need to quit?
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July 18, 2017 6:14pm
slightlyrighty

So a White woman in the US has been shot and killed by a Black Muslim Police officer.

A huge conundrum for our liberal friends…..
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July 18, 2017 6:30pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  I wonder if Trump will say – “If I had (another) daughter, it would look just like her”?
  
  Will K type whites riot and rampage and demand that ““White lives matter” like R type low impulse control blacks do?
  
  I think we all know the answer on both scores……..
  
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  July 18, 2017 6:52pm
- Gabby
  
  Huge dilemma for your lawn orda stannagran buds.
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:12pm
- cha
  
  conundrum for our liberal friends…..
  
  The Blue Lives Matter contortions should be fun….
  
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  July 18, 2017 9:27pm
RF

Has Angry found a money tree. He is making heaps of promises. Xmas is coming early.
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July 18, 2017 6:37pm
- Johnboy
  
  Control of the treasury benches is the money tree all Pollies dream of! 🙂
  
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  July 18, 2017 6:39pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/94866822/washington-dc-security-robot-drowns-in-pool-internet-erupts

R2D2 was intelligent enough not to go swimming! 🙂
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July 18, 2017 6:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I’ve been thinking…..

I may have been a tad hasty in stating that I wouldn’t vote for The Opportunities Party.

The thought of numerous gullible 18-23 year olds with lots of readies is beginning to seem very attractive to this old scammer.
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July 18, 2017 7:02pm
- rangitoto
  
  I just learned from TV1 that I’m racist because I can’t pronounce Wassilieff properly.
  
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  July 18, 2017 7:05pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Va -silly -iv is near enuf.
    
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    July 18, 2017 7:14pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Or Vasy-liny is never enuf. 🙂
      
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      July 18, 2017 7:18pm
      - dad4justice
        
        “A market researcher called at a house and his knock was answered by a young woman with three small children running around her. He asked her if she minded replying to his questions and she agreed. He asked her if she knew his company,Cheeseborough-Ponds. When she said no, he mentioned that among their many products was Vaseline and she certainly knew of that product. When asked if she used it, the answer was “Yes.” Asked how she used it, she said, “To assist sexual intercourse.” The interviewer was amazed. He said, “I always ask that question because everyone uses our product and they always say they use it for the child’s bicycle chain, or the gate hinge; but I know that most use it for sexual intercourse. Since you’ve been so frank, could you tell me exactly how you use it?” “Yes, we put it on the doorknob to keep the kids out.”
        
        source: http://jokes4us.com/classicadult/vaselinejoke.html
        
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        July 18, 2017 7:22pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/94852551/wellington-ratepayers-asked-to-contribute-millions-towards-shelly-bay-infrastructure

Whitey getting to finance the Murri again I see.
Dont that Eagle chap pose like a fuckin turkey? 🙂
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July 18, 2017 7:09pm
Jack5

The media mob continues to hound Todd Barclay in his last month of two as an MP – like a posse in an old Western B-movie out to lynch the guy in the black hat.

Barclay is young enough to bounce into another career, provided someone cuts the lynch rope before he throttles.

If the hounding is a sly way of getting at National, it’s useless. National will trot home to win the Southland-Clutha seat at the general election even if they put up a talking Labrador as candidate.

The reporters trot out MPs’ salaries frequently. I can see why the print media journo’s think MPs are well paid, but I’m surprised TV folk seem indignant that an elected MP’s salary should approach that of a TV star.
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July 18, 2017 8:06pm
- Gabby
  
  They want to know who’s on the end of his strings, Bingles or Ponyboy.
  
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  July 18, 2017 8:08pm
dad4justice

I do wonder if any of our over paid parasitic scum of the earth politicians know how badly stretched our mental health services are. Nobody cares when on the gravy train.This country is a fucking disgrace and deserves what’s coming.
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July 18, 2017 8:32pm
- Gabby
  
  They know they better not set targets if they’re going to trim the budget any further.
  
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  July 18, 2017 10:04pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Perhaps Todd Barclay will find out if the media keep hounding him/
  
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  July 18, 2017 10:08pm
  - Gabby
    
    He can afford a shrink.
    Confession is good for the soul and it’s free, but that won’t be happening.
    
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    July 18, 2017 10:27pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Confession a la Meteria?
      
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      July 18, 2017 11:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Vote early, vote often…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/17/did-students-vote-twice-corbyn-watchdog-demands-urgent-action/#comments
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July 18, 2017 9:23pm
Scorpion

Which Party in NZ is going to bring in the most
T E R R O R I S T s?
and fund them with TAX DOLLARS a Plenty?
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July 18, 2017 10:38pm
Left Right and Centre

In a world gone mad . . .

Kiwi woman dies holding onto a fence near a jet plane – three kids and a husband. FFS mate – really ?

Maybe if you could *harness* yourself to the fence. It’s a tragedy but an avoidable one.

Then there’s the Aussie woman in the US who called the cops – they show up and shoot her dead as she goes out to meet them. How depressing is that ? And of course she had to be shot by a US-Somalian moron with two years on the job.

You had to roll your eyes though – she was a ‘spiritual mentor’ and other such bs. Er – her soon to be 22 year old step son called her Mum. That’s just nothing less than creepy. I don’t think he’d grown up with her.

Damn – 911 people should’ve told her to *stay inside* etc

Did I really read that the Somalian cop say something to the effect of ‘oh well – shit happens. But this is my calling, and it’s all part of the higher purpose of me being a cop’. WTF ?? It’s all about him – far out. Shot the caller dead mate. He seems quite ok with it. Something badly wrong with that part of the world.

And what’s this shit about making porn in UK only accessible with a credit card to try and protect kids from seeing anything ? Farkwits mate. Good luck with that – nanny state bastards.

I put in an innocent search into google images – fine – changed one word ? Nothing but filth. Are you going to need to enter a credit card number to do a google search ? Shitheads.
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July 19, 2017 6:03am
Left Right and Centre

Electric buses in Wellington . . .
Here’s the thing with the trolleys – and just remember – I drove the old ‘Volvo’ farkers . . .

Oh, they’re so wonderful and enviro friendly say the do-gooders.

They are limited in speed by overhead wire. They are slower than diesels. They cannot pass one another. They can dewire. They can damage overhead causing delays and disruption to every other trolley.
Power cuts – hello ??
The trolleys individually had a high breakdown rate.
They actually cost a shitload – overhead crews, running all the gear, substations.
And even shit like – if you had a lot of them in the same section on the same substation or whatever – you’d get too many trying to use power at once and hello – right foot on floor – we going slowy slowy. Or nowhere.
And they hold up other diesel buses as well as *every other MF on the road*.

One comical day in a dodgy patch for juice – you’d go to pull out into traffic – I was in Riddiford St near hospital – and the power died. Pull back in. Try power – cool, it’s back on. Pull out. Nope – just kidding. Off again. It was just like that – just piss arsing around sometimes – and even at the best of the worst of times – far out.

That’s why most weekends were ‘no trolley’ weekends. Too many problems to bother with them. Fact. I drove plenty of Saturday ‘trolley shifts’ that were ‘diesel replace trolleys’. Maybe two Sat trolley shifts ever ?

They’re dumb because something can go wrong with the overhead – and so of course it can affect every last damned trolley – and leave the whole lot parked on the side of the road. And I saw that happen.

And what’s this crap about ‘dirty diesels’ ? As it stands – Every other bus / truck / vehicle burns fuel so diesels replacing electric on CBD routes is a drop of fuel in the bucket.

They keep making diesels more efficient for less outlay and in the case of Wellington it just keeps making trolleys more and more painful – they actually cost a damned fortune to buy and run.

I’m proud be able to say I drove trolleys in Wellington. The old stock had one thing going for them – great doors that opened with no bullshit – could be perfectly timed to rip apart right as bus stops.
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