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Nostradamus

Another holiday (1 month this time) for Ztev:

[DPF: First of all that is another strike for suggesting this is not my own work. Don’t smear me on my own blog. Do it elsewhere. Secondly I didn’t look at any of their portfolios. I went on what I thought they’d be half decent at]

So early in the day. Can they get one of the interns to fill in at short notice?
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July 14, 2017 8:04am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Gutted, I finally had some time to play….
  
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  July 14, 2017 8:10am
  - Gabby
    
    You get to gloat uninterrupted awwwk wawwwk.
    
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    July 14, 2017 10:18am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      Finally Gabby has something sensible to say 🙂
      
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      July 14, 2017 10:31am
- thedavincimode
  
  Oh dear, poor old thing. Got a good night’s sleep and then up with the lark for another tough day diverting attention from the talking tree stump and porcelain chops, but gets ankle-tapped before barely getting out of the starting blocks.
  
  marqueless and gabby will have to step up to the plate big time.
  
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  July 14, 2017 8:19am
  - B.L.Zeebub
    
    Gobby has swallowed the plate and it has obviously cut off the oxygen to what passes for a brain.
    
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    July 14, 2017 9:03am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Hmm, pity in a way as ztez constantly reminds us what typical hardcore Labour supporters are like. Unfortunately many are holding Winston up as the saviour of the Right, and he may , Yes, No, still throw his lot in with the Red/Green Brigade. ztev reminds us on a daily basis why we can’t allow these economic illiterates ever near the treasury benches. At least, however, the dead will not be slandered on this blog while he is on “holiday”.
  
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  July 14, 2017 8:23am
  - Paulus
    
    At least you do not have to look the Standard – Ztev says it all anyway.
    From Tun Tzu – Art of War – Know ones enemy !
    
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    July 14, 2017 8:31am
- RalphT
  
  Are stephieboy and ztev a tag team? I note that ztev is getting out of the ring on the day that stephieboy is allowed back in. We won’t be deprived of fun, we’ll just have it rationed.
  
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  July 14, 2017 8:27am
  - dime
    
    what was stephie idiots crime? didnt realise it was banned.
    
    dime wont be surprised if milky makes a comeback now ztev is gone
    
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    July 14, 2017 9:01am
    - RalphT
      
      He made a brief comeback a couple of days ago; was here just long enough to take his tally of comments from 29,998 to 30,000. Now that he’s climbed that mountain he seems to have wandered off again to seek another challenge.
      
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      July 14, 2017 9:13am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Dime:
      
      stephieboy
      
      holyturd . I think it must be KY ? You know the stuff you yourself personally take when you go cottaging .
      Correct ?
      
      [DPF:Unacceptable. That is Strike 5 and a month’s holiday]
      
      Perhaps when Stephieboy rejoins us (his 1 month time-out ended yesterday) we can ask him to tell us more about his personal experiences with KY and cottaging…
      
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      July 14, 2017 9:14am
  - GazzaW
    
    stephieboy – tzev.
    
    Same fuckwits, same garbage, different tag.
    
    Maybe gobby and the milkybar kid are one and the same. Who knows?
    
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    July 14, 2017 1:44pm
- srylands
  
  thank God for that.
  
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  July 14, 2017 9:08am
- Biscuit
  
  Nost, is there a page on Kiwiblog that lists all the strikes?
  
  I mean, where did you find the (sad., Not!) news about ztev?
  
  Or (should I bow?) are you one of DPF’s Chosen Few with access to a list not for viewing by lowly mortals like moi?
  
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  July 14, 2017 9:08am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Biscuit:
    
    Click here to go to the Kiwiblog comments policy page. The strikes scoreboard is there.
    
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    July 14, 2017 9:11am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      That makes interesting reading.
      A few with up to 5 or 6 strikes and only 1 at 9 strikes.
      
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      July 14, 2017 9:20am
      - Im Right
        
        Agreed…its very interesting reading, but also tells a very sorry tale! Namely that the left blogs basically hand out bans just by having an opposing political viewpoint. So much for their ‘love’ of debate and indeed free speech…well as long as you are on ‘their side’ i guess…rather sad really, but as the saying goes ‘there are more to be pitied than scolded’
        
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        I went off WO when he started against Bill English and now championing Winston….beware a woman scorned, im sure his internet numbers will be on a downward slide, have read enough about muslim jihad in 2 days on that blog than a years worth elsewhere, shame really as he did have a good brand and content.
        
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        July 14, 2017 9:53am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Hmm, good thing I went there for a quick refresh on the rules. Looks like my standard reply to Publicwatchdog is not allowed. However, any other reply is almost a waste of precious time. I see Griff was on about strike 6. If his/her/its new name Gruffydd or whatever incurs a strike does he/she it start at 1 again or is it straight to 7?
        
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        July 14, 2017 10:28am
      - calendar girl
        
        Good point, rightover … I too would be interested in our host’s answer to that.
        
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        July 14, 2017 12:12pm
      - ex-golfer
        
        It is with pride that my one and only strike had 30 upticks!
        
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        July 14, 2017 2:17pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Thanks for that, Nost!
      
      An impressive list of Naughties, no?
      
      But you’d have to be remarkably obtuse individual to get yourself much further past Strike 3 or 4, heh heh…
      
      And a very transparent policy, too. Unlike the case at The Stranded or Whale Oil, sites from which I was banned with not even a prior censuring, heh heh.
      
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      July 14, 2017 9:25am
      - 4077th
        
        There doesn’t have to be a reason to get banned from WO, merely upsetting the chimp is reason enough. Cam and SB do a great job. The chimp however has single handedly turned the place into an echo chamber.
        
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        July 14, 2017 9:34am
      - jcuk
        
        My feeling is that the standards problem comes from the co-operative nature of the site … that each contributor of a thread can ban not only on their threads but everywhere else.
        While KB simply has one moderator that I’m aware of .. a much better arrangement IMO.
        
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        July 14, 2017 10:40am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  who is this ztev person, and why does s/he keep posting this comment ?
  “Hidden due to low comment rating.”
  
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  July 14, 2017 10:04am
  - Gabby
    
    He’s an old.mucky.browneye. Or sutin.
    
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    July 14, 2017 10:22am
- niggly
  
  Nostradamus – at least something good has come from Ztev’s “holiday” …. a lot of squirrels are now safe!
  
  Did you see that comment from a astute commentator last week or so, listing out how many squirrels Ztev had used to deflect a thread discussion?
  
  It was priceless and if you have a moment to find it sometime (in your archivist-in-chief capacity of course) I’m sure everyone would appreciate a good laugh! 🙂
  
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  July 14, 2017 10:11am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Niggly:
    
    Did you see that comment from a astute commentator last week or so, listing out how many squirrels Ztev had used to deflect a thread discussion?
    
    I do remember reading an amusing comment like the one you describe – was it this one? I think there was another one?
    
    I liked this exchange:
    
    ztev: Are you an expert on Islamic wedding practices are you ?
    
    Jack5: He [kowtow] could know zero about Islamic wedding practices, and that would be a hundred times ztev’s knowledge of NZ taxation.
    
    ztev: My taxation knowledge comes from IRD and the IR4 return. Where does your knowledge come from – weetbix box ?
    
    KevOB: Mine comes from once writing tax law.
    
    Ouch!
    
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    July 14, 2017 10:44am
    - Gabby
      
      I know, there’s some pretty shitty tax law.
      
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      July 14, 2017 10:51am
infused

Political oblivion for the left. I love it.
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July 14, 2017 8:04am
Inandout

I sensed a note of disappointment on the AM lineup when they heard it was unlikely Trump would be impeached. Eric-Duncan Young-Garner, the lip stick mouth and Mark didn’t look at all happy.
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July 14, 2017 8:05am
- Paulus
  
  You cannot impeach a President who was Democratically elected by the people of the USA.
  If you could Clinton and Obama would have been politically impeached.
  Just because the Left Wing lost is no reason to get a sook.
  
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  July 14, 2017 8:44am
  - MCos
    
    Two democratically elected American presidents were impeached. Neither was convicted.
    Nixon would have been impeached if he hadn’t resigned and I certainly doubt Trump will be impeached.
    It seems to me that one of his major problems right now is the people he should be throwing under the bus are family. As long as he has to defend those leeches he’s on a slippery slope.
    
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    July 14, 2017 9:25am
    - Kimbo
      
      Not quite right. Andrew Johnson was elected vice President, and only became President when Lincoln was assassinated.
      
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      July 14, 2017 11:50am
  - Dave Mann
    
    You cannot impeach a President who was Democratically elected by the people of the USA.
    
    Thats crap. You obviously don’t have any idea what impeachment is.
    
    (I’m not calling for Trump to be impeached BTW, I’m simply correcting your obvious lack of understanding)
    
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    July 14, 2017 9:32am
  - SGA
    
    You cannot impeach a President who was Democratically elected by the people of the USA.
    
    As pointed out by others, of course you can (and there is established process for that to happen).
    More generally, it would be helpful if some of the people who like to comment on the US political system would take the time to learn more about how it is structured. I’m far from an expert, but even I know some of the comments here are just plain wrong.
    
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    July 14, 2017 9:45am
  - KevOB
    
    But Obama is close to sedition. There was good reason for earlier rulers lopping of the heads of pre-descessors’ family members and their friends at Court.
    
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    July 14, 2017 10:34am
    - Gabby
      
      That sounds a bit muslimmy kev. That your preferred legal system?
      
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      July 14, 2017 10:57am
      - KevOB
        
        We haven’t had this for centuries but it was hard fought for English Kings to cede their rights to Parliament. Now we have orderly transitions of power at least in NZ.
        
        I am concerned about the disorder in the USA. It looks like an attempted coup.
        
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        July 14, 2017 1:59pm
- RF
  
  Inandout….
  
  Lipstick mouth. A rather cutting comment but a very good description. Surely those in the green room applying the makeup are fully aware that troweling on heaps of red lipstick is not a good look. Then again it could be a cunning plot to get her off the screen.
  
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  July 14, 2017 10:35am
EAD_TWO

This from Stefan Molyneux’s Twitter account shining a light on the agenda of the Main Sewer Media:

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/885263517212962816

The tweet contrasts the Guardians daily reminder that European countries need more immigrants to counter “falling birth rates”.

Then, latching onto a study that shows people should have less children to combat “global warming”, emphasises that white people should have less children showing their first non multikulti photo in a long time!

Critically think about the Lefts hypocisys, and it’s not hard to work out their agenda.

The Left (historically at least)
– claims to support the working class yet supports mass low skilled immigration to lower wages
– has been the champions of Gays yet supports immigration from the world’s most socially conservative religion
– thinks we must reduce our so called “carbon footprint” yet wants more and more people moving into 1st world countries where it is higher.
– thinks “racism” is the crime of the century yet actively promotes discriminatory policies
– Was the champion of free speech in more ~~socially conservative~~ normal times yet now shuts down any dissent now that it has the whip hand.

PS: I use the word historically as now it is hard to distinguish between most countries “mainstream” globalist parties.
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July 14, 2017 8:07am
Paulus Gnome

And the surprise is what exactly?

The chip wrapper enthralls us with ‘Face tattoo inked in jail proves a tricky sell for employers’

What on earth did this knob think was going to happen? Unfortunately for us, the tax paying populace, we will pay for this wanker for the rest of his life and his child whom he ‘sired’ at 17. Ffs

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11889732

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890487

That’s the chip wrapper at its best filling up space; the same story in two different sections covered by two different ‘trained and professional’ churnalsits.
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July 14, 2017 8:10am
- Fletch
  
  He could still grow a beard? At least when he grows up a bit. Might be the way to go.
  
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  July 14, 2017 11:27am
Inandout

Where did this guy’s cell mate get all that ink from?
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July 14, 2017 8:18am
- Awww C-mon
  
  And the booze
  
  And the tattoo gun (that wasn’t done in a night any other way)
  
  And how did that stop him getting a kicking??? Or did it add to it?
  
  and why is this muppet news?
  
  So many questions and so little Ztev to answer them!
  
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  July 14, 2017 8:31am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ztev may be on the naughty step and it is hardly marquesses line; Kelvin?
    
    This is right up his street, bigging up the indefensible scum in our society
    
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    July 14, 2017 8:52am
  - chris
    
    Booze is easy to make. Literally all you need is yeast, sugar, water and time for it to ferment. And surprisingly, it’s possible to do with just bread and water – apparently the yeast in the bread is still active enough and has sugar too. Add some apples (for flavour and extra sugar to aid with fermentation) and you have prison hooch.
    
    But yes, I don’t buy the bit about the tattoo being done in a night in prison. Looks far too well done for that.
    
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    July 14, 2017 9:07am
    - VicParking
      
      And in a non Serco prision to. Why arn’t Liebour jumping up and down.
      
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      July 14, 2017 9:25am
    - KevOB
      
      The yeast in the bread will have been well done in by baking but the air carries wild yeasts. This is where home made sour dough yeast starters come from. The flavours though may vary.
      
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      July 14, 2017 10:40am
    - RF
      
      There is a story doing the rounds that makes me gag. An inmate at one of our smaller prisons was on kitchen duty and hollowed out a pumpkin to make up a batch of home brew.
      
      Over time it fermented and the inmate arranged a tasting for a selected few.
      
      Unfortunately an eagle eyed guard found out and prior to the tasting added a nasty surprise that was well mashed up to disguise it. Use your imagination……
      
      The result was several inmates in sickbay… and I presume they are still teetotal.
      
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      July 14, 2017 10:48am
  - cha
    
    And the tattoo gun
    
    Razor/cassette player motor, coat hanger, ballpoint and ink barrel, dental floss, tape and a needle all twitched up together and bingo, tattoo gun.
    
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    July 14, 2017 9:39am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      followed by a small case of hepatitis . . . .
      
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      July 14, 2017 10:18am
- Gabby
  
  An all night truck stop.
  
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  July 14, 2017 10:25am
marcmywords

I’m sure no Trump fan, but this is an interesting article by political risk consultant Ian Bremmer –
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/defense-trump-voter-ian-bremmer
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July 14, 2017 8:18am
- Paulus
  
  Seriously worth a read.
  
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  July 14, 2017 8:45am
- MCos
  
  From the article
  “Voting for Trump—or any other protest candidate—isn’t just understandable, it’s brave in its own way, a leap into the political unknown
  
  Unfortunately, Trump has done little in office to earn that faith.
  
  The most recent round of revelations involving Donald Trump Jr and his emails only serves to underline that point. That’s a shame, because there are people hurting in America today who could really use the help.”
  
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  July 14, 2017 9:41am
  - Gabby
    
    Their anger will keep them warm.
    
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    July 14, 2017 10:26am
  - KevOB
    
    It’s past time for the rubbish reporting to stop and that includes echoing it in NZ. Trump is not loved by globalists and the military suppliers: he wants to run the USA properly and not for their sole benefit.
    The US political system needs an overhaul as it presents as corrupt as though politicians were sponsored.
    Trump has come out a different environment and I suspect is biding his time while the opposition reveal themselves. The Dems have gone psycho (clinically) and it a now a fine judgement call on how to act and when.
    
    Thankfully we live in NZ.
    
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    July 14, 2017 10:53am
- calendar girl
  
  Yes, it’s a good read, and he’s an insightful writer. But he stops at defining the issues and resulting problem within the body politic.
  
  I shall await his solution(s) in the fullness of time.
  
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  July 14, 2017 12:45pm
- virtualmark
  
  Bremmer is always an excellent read. It’s worth following him on Twitter.
  
  FYI, he was here in New Zealand about a month ago.
  
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  July 14, 2017 5:47pm
Southern Raider

Interesting hysteria to ACT promoting people shouldn’t have kids until they could afford them.

The great unwashed seemed to miss the point with claims of only rich people are allowed kids and what about the falling birth rate.

Firstly it’s about personal responsibility and actually thinking about the future of the kids, rather than just randomly chucking them out

Secondly the world would be better to have a declining birth rate than it is topped up with extremely low IQ people and their mass of low IQ offspring
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July 14, 2017 8:22am
- Awww C-mon
  
  It does sit a bit uncomfortable with me to say it, but the wrong people having too many kids is the biggest risk to our economy and way of life.
  They drive all the negative stats,
  Crime
  Welfare
  Abuse
  Medical Demand
  How much of our taxes go to the botttom 10% of society?
  
  Bill’s ‘investment approach’ is the only political move I’ve seen to address this. It’s dressed up nicely and it’s marketed well… but it is also movement in the right direction
  
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  July 14, 2017 8:44am
  - mara
    
    That tattooed guy moaning about not being employable had two impressive “love bites” on his neck. Expect to see another baby on the scene shortly.
    
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    July 14, 2017 9:57am
  - Gabby
    
    How many of the lowest 10% get to collect nat super sqwawwwk? That’s where ‘your’ taxes are going.
    
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    July 14, 2017 10:29am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      they also cover your methadone program and provide free visits to family planning for ‘that’ rash, so don’t bite the hand that feeds
      
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      July 14, 2017 1:13pm
      - Gabby
        
        Then I won’t be collecting much Super will I sqwaawwwk. Big savings for you.
        
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        July 14, 2017 1:52pm
  - KevOB
    
    If you ever inadvertently land up in the bottom 50% you will be pleased for other peoples taxes providing basic support. Even medical insurance is no guarantee that the public services will not need be availed of. Private schools drop students with unpaid fees.
    
    My previous work has shown me how socially mobile our population is. Rich today: practically destitute tomorrow. The richer take different risks and fall harder. Assets are not income. Cashflow is not income.
    A good example of a freewheeling society closer to the Act wish list model is the USA. Health care has been priced out of affordability through freedom for greed to prevail.
    
    Breeding is a human right; who are we to choose one over another? Selective population determination may enhance undesirable characteristics unknowingly.
    
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    July 14, 2017 11:15am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Your right to breed ends where it starts to cut into my freedoms by demanding (with threat of prison and financial ruination) that I must engage in labour (tax) to support it – cutting in to my financial ability to have children of my own.
      
      It is rare to find middle class people with more than 2-3 children these day due to the high costs that raising children well imposes, yet endless beneficiaries are able to have 4 and more? Madness
      
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      July 14, 2017 11:38am
      - KevOB
        
        My children have been limited to 8; not by me but my second wife’s ageing. The last one was when I was 67.
        Deferring family creation till the mid 30’s is population suicide. If our upper classes are producing less than 2.1 children/woman then their class is going backwards.
        
        You cannot control populations. It is an individual values choice to attempt to build up a career or business first then to have children in the late 30’s, 10-15 years past the biological optimum. Most don’t and won’t wait for that deferment. With a new partner or spouse children are part of the bonding. Hence some women having several children to different fathers.
        
        I would have been in the middle classes and have been at top of government levels elsewhere. My first wife was off the IQ scales and chose a family over academia. I was married then at 18 and our first child was when I was 19. That changed my life forever. A year or so later I became a Public Servant and provider. I might otherwise have gone on to studying to become a research chemist instead of an accountant.
        
        Adaptation goes with continuity and I remarried at 62 to a lady with two small boys. Our three children are going across town to schools and are showing great future potential. That’s our job raising adults. A stepson has had his first novel published. My wife has become an Anglican Minister and gives her services freely. Our oldest (15) has found love and wants to get married (not very likely–even we have influence). We are about to become step gtgtgparents; I expect the real ones within 7 years.
        
        One cannot dictate or plan life. I have had children in private schools as I had to send them back to NZ for education and then they were thrown out as non-compliant.
        
        Capital formation is not the purpose of life. The scorned lower classes may understand that better than most of us. First it’s existing and a family can help with that.
        
        NZ has provided well for live and let live.
        
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        July 14, 2017 3:41pm
      - GoVege
        
        Kev…have you never heard about “over-population”?
        
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        July 14, 2017 5:24pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  How to deal with a declining birthrate?
  First question: why is your nation’s birthrate declining?
  Is this the human version of Calhoun’s “behavioral sink.” Are the “herbivorous men” (of Japan) and the MGTOW (of the West) the human equivalent of John B. Calhoun’s “beautiful ones”?
  
  J. B. Calhoun: An American ethologist and behavioral researcher noted for his studies of population density and its effects on behavior.
  
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  July 14, 2017 9:19am
- MCos
  
  I’ll put this to you
  My wife’s father had twenty kids, never had a job
  He was actually quite a wealthy guy at one time, but when I met him about twenty years ago he was just a skinny old man living in a shack with nothing
  My wife is #19
  Should I tell her she was just a burden that shouldn’t have been born?
  
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  July 14, 2017 10:14am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Not her fault for being born, but the father is a drop-kick.
    
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    July 14, 2017 11:39am
  - GoVege
    
    She’s done well to get you MCos.
    . But are the other 19 doing as well?
    
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    July 14, 2017 12:24pm
    - MCos
      
      I like to think we did well to ‘get’ each other.
      
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      July 14, 2017 1:10pm
      - GoVege
        
        I did ponder using “score” or “snag” but settled for the more neutral “get”.
        
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        July 14, 2017 5:23pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    MCos, I will put this to you.
    
    When looking at things on a Macro level, a policy level, my comments are right. We have very very expensive ‘families’ (generationally) that keep having kids and adding to the cost.
    
    Looking at things on a Micro level, the individual people involved, it becomes a harsh and unpleasant thing to say. Of course I am glad you meet your wife and hopefully she got all the state support she needed when she needed it in her youth.
    
    Thats again why I like the investment approach of Bill’s. Realise the truth of the expense but aim for the result without the ruthlessness of cutting down the individual.
    
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    July 14, 2017 1:21pm
  - KevOB
    
    I found out recently my gt gmother was one of four sisters who together gave birth to and raised 55 children. This was in the 1860-1890’s in the lower South Island. Those offspring are among the leading settler families.
    
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    July 14, 2017 3:48pm
Southern Raider

Is this natural selection?

Four trampers missing and cut off due to high river levels in hills north of Wellington. Apparently all experienced.

FFS even the stupidest person would have read the media hype in the last week and thought this might not be the best time to go for a walk
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July 14, 2017 8:31am
- srylands
  
  Yeah I’m not sure it is a cause for concern yet. They are well equipped and they do have a beacon, which has not been activated. It is most likely they are in a hut waiting for the conditions to improve.
  
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  July 14, 2017 9:13am
  - Swifty
    
    I do hope so.
    
    I have a little experience in the Tararuas and it can be a real death zone – not only regarding the tops but also the rivers and pushing your limits with them that can be fatal, especially when people think they’ve got to get home/to work for something….
    
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    July 14, 2017 9:56am
    - Colville
      
      Its school holidays, they had this planned well in advance and are well prepared.
      Any party with a PLB that hasnt set it off isnt in trouble other than being bored stuck in a hut.
      They will have stayed put rather than walk out on a snowy ridge or cross a swollen stream.
      I wish foreign tourists were as sensible as this group.
      
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      July 14, 2017 10:49am
Happychappy

I see yesterday Pete has decided to put his so called expert advice about Polls to support Labour and NZ First by saying the polls are not correct and favour National and you then also have S/B also saying they agree with free so speech and the don’t go out of their way to ban commenters. I wonder why blubber has gone back on one of his trademark sayings explaining is losing or is it he needs to get the punter back to comment as his numbers are dwindling.
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July 14, 2017 8:32am
- Gabby
  
  Because he’s losing chappy. It’s crappy but there it is.
  
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  July 14, 2017 10:31am
Paulus

Who is Pete ?
The only one I have heard of is WO’s bum boy.
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July 14, 2017 8:47am
- Happychappy
  
  Paulus : Maybe he should have word it as nimbly so everyone knew but the heading said whaleoil staff and the Lead off was headed Pete so I guess it was moderating Pete.
  
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  July 14, 2017 8:57am
- Inandout
  
  Are you sure it is not the other way around?
  
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  July 14, 2017 9:06am
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    Yeah I think Pete wears the pants in that relationship.
    
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    July 14, 2017 10:50am
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
NEW ZEALAND … BYE BYE HOUSING BUBBLE …

… On the road to real market pricing …

Winter’s icy grip takes hold of housing market as prices and volumes fall | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88770/winters-icy-grip-takes-hold-housing-market-prices-and-volumes-fall

Average asking prices on Trade Me Property dropped for the second month in a row in month of June … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88779/average-asking-prices-trade-me-property-dropped-second-month-row-june

… Check out the affordable or near affordable North American housing markets …

2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

… Google search ‘……. New Homes’ … for example ‘Atlanta New Homes’ … ‘Dallas Fort Worth New Homes’ … ‘Houston New Homes’ … ‘Phoenix New Homes’ … etc etc.

Note the North American convention is to only include heated areas when stating building areas … while in Australia and New Zealand the convention is to include garaging. Therefore add garaging (circa 6×6=36 square metres (10.764 square feet = one square metre) to the North American examples … to compare apples with apples.

To start … here are a few Pulte Homes Phoenix Arizona examples …

https://pulte.com/homes/arizona/phoenix/florence/parkside-at-anthem-at-merrill-ranch-7739#CommunityDetailsView

… Why has New Zealand Building & Construction Minister Nick Smith STILL FAILED to line up the detailed North American pricing against our current ‘nonsense numbers’ for new residential development in New Zealand ?
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  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Above posted at … http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_14_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1968320 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/links-14-july-2017/#comment-2915804 … and … http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/1_billion_for_infrastructure_for_new_homes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1968327 9with extensive further postings) …
  
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  July 14, 2017 9:07am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    yawn……………………………..
    
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    July 14, 2017 9:11am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Hugh,
  
  I am disappointed.
  You were making such good progress with short, pithy postings yesterday…
  
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  July 14, 2017 9:15am
  - RalphT
    
    Nature, they say, abhors a vacuum. With William of O AWOL, Hugh obviously thinks we are yearning for long postings and is doing his best to fill that gap.
    
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    July 14, 2017 10:34am
- Keeping Stock
  
  It’s great that prices have slipped back a little eh Hugh. All that new supply coming on stream is making a difference.
  
  Once again, Labour and the Greens declare something to be a “crisis” and it all sorts itself out.
  
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  July 14, 2017 9:20am
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    Do you really think they would have bothered to start building heaps of new homes if Labour/ Greens HADN’T been banging on about the housing crisis?
    
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    July 14, 2017 11:47am
- starboard
  
  Blah blah Hugh…
  
  “Real Estate Institute chief executive Bindi Norwell says house prices are surprisingly solid.”
  
  “Auction sales numbers have more than halved. But Auckland’s median house price was up 5 per cent on 2016, and 1.6 per cent on April, to $865,000.”
  
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  July 14, 2017 9:26am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    A little further reading …
    
    One by one the housing bubbles pop: Ireland, Spain, UK, US, Canada… – MacroBusiness
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/one-by-one-the-housing-bubbles-pop-ireland-spain-uk-us-now-canada/
    
    Christchurch leads cooling house market trend | Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/94418443/christchurch-leads-cooling-house-market-trend
    
    New estate agent statistics show the Auckland property slump is getting real … New Zealand Herald
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11886141
    
    The NZ homeowners who hate high house prices are revealed in Labour polling | Stuff.co.nz
    
    http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/90244287/The-NZ-homeowners-who-hate-high-house-prices-are-revealed-in-Labour-polling
    
    … further extensive current material on Kiwiblog Infrastructure article thread noted above …
    
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    July 14, 2017 10:55am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Keeping Stock … New Zealand First Leader Winston Peters recently reminded us housing was a ‘crisis’ back in 07/08 … according to John Key who was hungry for power then.
      
      Auckland was about 6.4 times annual household incomes (median multiple … Demographia Survey) then … it is now a stratospheric 10.0 times !!! …
      
      If it was a crisis then … what is it now ??? …
      
      Billion Dollar Wish List Won’t Fool Anyone … Winston Peters … New Zealand First
      
      http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1707/S00163/billion-dollar-wish-list-wont-fool-anyone.htm
      
      Rt Hon Winston Peters
      New Zealand First Leader
      Member of Parliament for Northland
      11 JULY 2017
      
      Billion Dollar Wish List Won’t Fool Anyone
      
      A billion dollar housing bribe after nine years of sitting on their hands won’t fool New Zealanders, says New Zealand First Leader and Member of Parliament for Northland Rt Hon Winston Peters.
      
      “There just aren’t enough houses and there’s no way the National government can build them in a hurry by making a pie in the sky announcement.
      
      “In fact it is sad for this country that the government has the audacity to announce a one billion fund for housing infrastructure only 75 days out from the election – even the town idiot would recognise it as desperation.
      
      “Let’s remember that in 2007 the former Prime Minister told New Zealanders, prior to the election, there was a housing crisis, and he had a plan.
      
      “From 2008 onwards, for nine long years, his government did nothing.
      
      “Now when it’s on shaky election ground, it rolls out a billion dollar package.
      
      “How can they look New Zealand voters in the eye?”
      
      ENDS
      
      John Key on Housing Reform 2007 – YouTube
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
      
      https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=john+key+housing+reform+2007+&spf=1499833914330
      
      … An earlier Pavletich post …
      
      http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/1_billion_for_infrastructure_for_new_homes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1967127
      
      PLAYTIME CONTINUED … WITH NICK SMITH …
      
      We should have had bond financing of infrastructure in place long ago … most certainly at the latest soon after the major Government housing announcement October 2012 (Smith was appointed Housing Minister early 2013) … where the focus was to be on …
      
      • Land supply
      • Infrastructure financing
      • Process
      • Construction costs … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      July 14, 2017 11:06am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … And from Australia …
        
        Housing market sentiment falls in every state: NAB survey – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
        
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-13/housing-market-sentiment-drops-in-all-states-says-nab/8705044
        
        Confidence in the Australian housing market has fallen in every state for the June quarter, according to National Australia Bank.
        
        “Falling confidence reflects weaker expectations for both house prices and rents,” said Alan Oster, NAB’s chief economist.
        
        NAB reached this conclusion by surveying around 260 property professionals and publishing the results in its quarterly Residential Property Index.
        
        On a national basis, the index sank to its lowest level since mid-2016 (down by 17 points to +14).
        
        The sharpest plunge occurred in South Australia and the Northern Territory (which were lumped into a single category) – falling from +42 to -6 between the March and June quarters. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=australian+housing&tbm=nws&spf=1499989156639
        
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        July 14, 2017 11:43am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Harcourts has 14% more homes for sale than it did this time last year but sales are down 19%. Situation even worse in Auckland. | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88791/harcourts-has-14-more-homes-sale-it-did-time-last-year-sales-are-down-19-situation
        
        The property market is cooling across most of the country, according to New Zealand’s largest real estate agency.
        
        “The reality is, the market has cooled and if you reject a good offer today you may not get the same opportunity again,” Harcourts chief executive Chris Kennedy said in the company’s market report for June.
        
        Nationally, sales are down by 20% and there are almost 15% more residential properties available to buy across the country than there were last year, the report said. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 14, 2017 12:10pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Focus on housing market correction could be self-fulfilling prophecy: BNZ … Susan Edmunds … Fairfax / Stuff NZ
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/94633287/Focus-on-housing-market-correction-could-be-self-fulfilling-prophecy-BNZ?cid=app-iPad
        
        … Pavletich comment on thread …
        
        Paulson …
        
        The New Zealand Banks are in no hurry to repeat the 2007 Irish experience … when the housing bubble burst there … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts exceeding 70 billion euro or about $NZ 109 billion.
        
        Irish housing across its metros on average went from 4.7 times annual household income in 2007 to 2.7 a few years later. Australia is currently 5.5 times … New Zealand 5.9.
        
        Hugely dangerous.
        
        Following the bust, the Central Bank of Ireland found it was high income multiple lending that did the most damage to the Irish Banks … and it imposed a general lending cap of 3.5 times annual household incomes. A year earlier the Bank of England had capped at 4.5 times. In normal housing markets housing should not exceed 3.0 times annual household income requiring sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times (Demographia Survey).
        
        The days of housing inflation are over.
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        Paulson …
        
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        Tau Sagittar … Note the Irish new housing production ramped up quickly through to 07 prior to collapsing … with a huge influx of Polish construction workers. The Irish authorities never learned a thing about the critical importance of dealing with land supply and infrastructure financing …and not surprisingly … Bubble 2.0 is well underway. Google search to learn more.
        
        Supply-starved bubbles burst too … e.g. California and the UK. By definition all housing bubbles are unnecessary (e.g. Texas … most of middle North America) and unsustainable …and wreck havoc within poorly governed economies.
        
        David11 … Only dealing with median house prices and gross annual median household incomes across metros. Refer Demographia Surveys schedule at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … in particular the 2008 and 2011 ones. There are 13 annual surveys in total to date.
        
        As the Central Bank of Ireland research found, it was the high multiple to income lending (more so than high loan to value) that does in the financial institutions and their customers. It is most certainly not a pretty picture here in New Zealand and Australia.
        
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      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … What have economists and others learned since the 2007 housing crash? What I wrote in 2009 and 2010 …
        
        Housing Bubbles And Market Sense | Scoop News
        
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0901/S00046.htm
        
        Housing Bubbles: Jumbo Mortgages = Jumbo Problems | Scoop News
        
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1003/S00019.htm
        
        … when, as part of widespread housing market crashes, the Irish housing bubble burst too.
        
        A helpful television discussion about the 2007 Irish crash …
        
        Prof. Bill Black & Vincent Brown – Ireland’s Bank Guarantee … Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw
        
        … No longer are people willing to unnecessarily pay a million bucks (Auckland), $770,000 (Toronto), $590,000 (Christchurch) … for what should be $250,000 – $300,000 in local currency … refer …
        
        2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
        
        http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
        
        … Schedule of 13 Annual Demographia Surveys accessible at …
        
        http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
        
        Bang On: Housing affordability rises as an election issue … London (Ontario Canada) Free Press
        
        http://www.lfpress.com/2017/07/06/bang-on-housing-affordability-rises-as-election-issue
        
        More than 80 per cent of Ontarians want to see home affordability issues addressed in the 2018 election platforms of provincial political parties, according to an Ipsos poll commissioned by the Ontario Real Estate Association (OREA), the Ontario Home Builders’ Association (OHBA) and the Federation of Rental-Housing Providers of Ontario (FRPO).
        
        According to the Ipsos study, millennials are most intent on seeing home affordability addressed by party leaders. Nine in 10 Ontarians between the ages of 18 and 34 want parties to address the issue in the next election, compared to 82 per cent of Gen Xers. Furthermore, 88 per cent millennials stated they would be more likely to vote for a party whose platform promotes home affordability.
        
        The three associations are aligned in advising that the solution to home affordability is increasing the supply of housing in the province, and thereby increasing choice for those seeking homeownership.
        
        This just makes sense as it follows the law of supply and demand. If there is more supply, there will be no need for the price to be driven up. … read more via hyperlink above …
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        … A colourful Canadian perspective on the bursting Toronto housing bubble …
        
        Market update — Greater Fool – Authored by Garth Turner – The Troubled Future of Real Estate
        
        http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/07/07/market-update-11/
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        July 14, 2017 5:45pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … Extract … General Email 22 June 2017 … I think Garth Turner of The Greater Fool blogs description of how bubbles burst is excellent …
        
        Posted at … http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/general_debate_22_june_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1955071 … with further postings …
        
        … Greater Toronto, Canada’s largest metro with a population of about 6.6 million and a housing affordability median multiple of 7.7 (refer Demographia Survey below) house prices have crashed 12% these past two months …
        
        Toronto House Prices Have Already Fallen 12% From Their Peak … Huffington Post
        
        http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/06/21/toronto-house-prices-have-already-fallen-12-from-their-peak_a_22528595/
        
        The slowdown in Greater Toronto’s housing market this spring appears to be more than a one-month blip.
        
        Sales in the country’s largest housing market have fallen by half, compared to the same period a year earlier, according to real estate board data obtained by Bloomberg.
        
        The Toronto Real Estate Board counted 2,999 sales in the first two weeks of June, while new listings jumped 22 per cent.
        
        While the average selling price for all properties was still up by 6.7 per cent from a year ago, it’s down from a peak it hit in April — the last month before the Ontario government announced tougher new housing regulations, including a 15-per-cent foreign buyers’ tax.
        
        The average price of $808,847 in early June is down from a peak of $920,791 in April, a decline of more than 12 per cent in a few months’ time. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Garth Turner … Canada … The Greater Fool Blog
        
        http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/05/01/mayday-2/
        
        … extract …
        
        … That’s the funny thing about bubbles. Everybody’s horny to get their hands on rising assets – until they’re not. It always happens fast, whatever the asset and no matter the trigger. Greed is a powerful emotion, but it wilts before the dominance of fear. If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline), they’ll cease making the Herculean sacrifice required to buy one. And down she goes. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 14, 2017 5:54pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        There is way more across all metros ‘multiple stretch’ in Australia and New Zealand than Canada … check out the 5 Important Graphs at the top of http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … and too …
        
        Aussie housing affordability far worse than Demographia claims … MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/01/aussie-housing-affordability-far-worse-demographia-claims/
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        IMF Rings The Alarm On Canada’s Economy | Zero Hedge
        
        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-13/imf-rings-alarm-canadas-economy
        
        Shortly after yesterday’s rate hike by the Bank of Canada, its first since 2010, we warned that as rates in Canada begin to rise, the local economy which has seen a striking decline in hourly earnings in the past year, which remains greatly reliant on a vibrant construction sector, and where households are the most levered on record, if there is anything that can burst the local housing bubble, it is tighter monetary conditions. And a bubble it is, as the chart below clearly demonstrates… one just waiting for the pin, which as we suggested yesterday in “”Canada Is In Serious Trouble” Again, And This Time It’s For Real”, may have finally been provided thanks to the Bank of Canada itself. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/weekend-reading-15-16-july-2017/#comment-2916360 … and …
        
        … AND WHY THE NEW ZEALAND GOVERNMENT IS IN DEEP TROUBLE …
        
        New Zealand Prime Minister Bill English vainly attempting to defend his governments near 9 years of housing incompetence …
        
        VIDEO: Bill English on affordable housing in Auckland | Radio New Zealand News
        
        http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/334786/video-bill-english-on-affordable-housing-in-auckland
        
        Mr English told Morning Report the Auckland Housing Accord – under which the fast-track housing areas were set up – highlighted the challenges of trying to make private developers build affordable homes, and falling prices were not helping. … view and read more via hyperlink above …
        
        … In contrast … the New Zealand Labour Party …
        
        Housing – New Zealand Labour Party
        
        http://www.labour.org.nz/housing
        
        … extract …
        
        Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
        
        Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.
        
        … Soon after the enactment of the Resource Management Amendment Act back in March, Bernard Hickey of NEWSROOM reported …
        
        https://pro.newsroom.co.nz/articles/1629-newsroom-pro-s-8-things-at-8-trolling-millennials-is-easy-defamation-retrials-loom
        
        7. Just in case you missed it…
        
        One curious coda to the RMA debate that concluded last week was that the Opposition parties plus ACT and United Future all voted again during the third reading debate for amendments that would have abolished Rural Urban Growth Boundaries and allowed the financing of infrastructure bonds paid for with targeted rates.
        
        The amendments were defeated by National and the Maori Party.
        
        The irony of a Government that has railed against restrictions on land development by councils voting against removing those restrictions should be noted. And also that the proposal for infrastructure bonds was backed by the right-leaning New Zealand Initiative and voted for by the Greens and Labour. Strange times indeed.
        
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    The overall fast increase is the real signal. Commentators at the end stages are always enthusiastic. That’s another signal to get out of the risk zone.
    
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    July 14, 2017 11:42am
Nostradamus

I’ve just checked out the Labour MPs page on the party website. The format for each MP (except for Andrew Little) includes a “career highlights” section. This is where you find out the stuff they’re made of – or maybe not…

Jacinda Ardern

– Named a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader in 2014
– Past President of IUSY, an international political youth organisation with headquarters in Vienna
– Bachelor of Communication Studies from Waikato University [WTF is a qualification doing masquerading as a career highlight?]

Grant Robertson

– MP for Wellington Central 2008 to present
– Former Diplomat, working in Samoa and at the UN in New York
– Former Research Business Manager for University of Otago
– Former President of NZ and Otago University Students Association
– Former Trustee of New Zealand Aids Foundation

Is this why Andrew Little said: “I’m totally confident that I am capable of putting together if the numbers fall our way a government that will have a good solid programme of change involving up to three parties”? Doesn’t he approve of the Labour’s Got Talent line-up?
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- thedavincimode
  
  Oh dear. Maybe nochow was referring to some different “talent” when he was talking the team up. Bring back full moon and the duck man I say. At least they had jobs once. And we can get the moas back as a bonus.
  
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  July 14, 2017 9:22am
- KevOB
  
  “Diplomat” in Samoa? That’s a euphemism for clerk, mostly concerned with visa applications.
  The High Commission staff do not represent NZedders in Samoa nor do they mix with anyone else much.
  
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  July 14, 2017 11:47am
- Longknives
  
  “Comrades,Comrades,Comrades!”
  
  *Oh how I wish this was still on You Tube…
  
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  July 14, 2017 12:04pm
dime

Type the words Trump & bizarre into the stuff search.

10 pages.

can someone sends those morons a thesaurus
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July 14, 2017 9:14am
- Gabby
  
  dim’s gettin esoteric.
  
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  July 14, 2017 10:36am
  - dime
    
    starting to think gabby digs me.
    
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    July 14, 2017 10:58am
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      these pretzels are makin dim horny.
      
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      July 14, 2017 11:28am
dime

why does Dime keep seeing pics of this loser with face tatts???

“i just want a job” yeah yeah sure ya do.

is this just part of our medias campaign to make us see these idiots as “normal”?

i cant be assed clicking the links – is his mum interviewed saying that hes a good boy?

hopefully someone offers his some terrible, backbreaking job that he knocks back.. then they can change it to “i just want a sweet ass job with high pay”
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July 14, 2017 9:16am
- VicParking
  
  Just read his rap sheet to see how nice he is.
  
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  July 14, 2017 9:31am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Seems he has refused ‘free’ removal of the tats. What does that tell you? Severe case of entitlement.
  Needs to grow a backbone, not a wishbone
  
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  July 14, 2017 9:58am
- Gabby
  
  These pretzels are makin dim tatty.
  
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  July 14, 2017 10:37am
cas

Labour would be pissed off that the winter weather has had all the oxygen in the media and its families package is sunk without trace.
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July 14, 2017 9:22am
- Gabby
  
  Natty would be glad no old folk have died from the cold yet.
  
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  July 14, 2017 10:39am
Monique Watson

Don’t go near the Horrid until they’ve got their shit sorted. And use ad blockers on Stuff. For sanity’s sake.
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July 14, 2017 9:23am
- VicParking
  
  The faceboy article appears four times. And as for the articles that are doubled up beside each other.
  I notice the failing newspaper has not offered him a job as a delivery boy or better still selling papers outside the railway station.
  
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  July 14, 2017 9:37am
- dime
  
  the herald may be the ugliest site ive seen. it is just terrible.
  
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  July 14, 2017 10:28am
- KevOB
  
  Recommend Ghostery (free). It blocks all potential trackers and you can allow any action as you please. It’s unnoticeable except for the absence of adds later showing where you have been.
  
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  July 14, 2017 11:54am
Biscuit

4077th, 9.34am

(Soz, but I can’t link to that post in its original form.)

Ah I have no problem with being banned, heh heh. As DPF rightly points out on his Comments Policy page, blogs such as his ARE his and we all live or die by his view on what we say here.

The Standard is simply a ‘You Will Be Nice To The Left Or We Will Boot You’ blog.

My gripe with Whale Oil is that there was simply a ban. No ‘Dolt, don’t do that again’ warning, just a ban.
Who by, I have no idea. it could have been WO himself or even SB but I am thinking, as you allude to, it was more likely the chimp with his knickers in a twist.
But, equally, I have no idea what I did to GET a ban!
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July 14, 2017 9:49am
- KevOB
  
  Whale Oil is best left to his own gripes. I departed when he decided to take on a retired judge over the use of his honorific. I think the Justice Dept may have intervened. WO reminds me of a hybrid trade unionist/NZ Truth article: ignorant forcible bluster and like the former NZ Truth he seems always mired in legal action.
  
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  July 14, 2017 12:00pm
kowtow

How’s that multiculti Muslim immigration thingy going?

“A group of armed Chechen men have beaten or threatened several women in Berlin in recent weeks for not abiding by their retrograde understanding of the Quran, Tagesspiegel reports.”

Retrograde understanding or just Islamic ?

https://www.thelocal.de/20170705/armed-islamist-gang-terrorizing-immoral-chechen-women-in-berlin-report
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July 14, 2017 9:54am
- GoVege
  
  Haven’t the Ozzie been kicking crim Kiwis back to their birthplace for years now?
  Surely the Germans can do the same??
  
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  July 14, 2017 10:44am
kowtow

Shhh, they might stop buying our mutton.

“Saudi Arabia has been funding mosques throughout Europe that have become hotbeds of extremism, the former British ambassador to Saudi Arabia Sir William Patey has said.

His remarks come a day after the government published a brief summary of a Home Office-commissioned report into the funding of extremism in the UK. The full report is not being published for security reasons.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/13/saudi-arabia-boosting-extremism-in-europe-says-former-ambassador
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July 14, 2017 9:57am
- Gabby
  
  Why haven’t WE got a big Saudi mosque yet? Is Munter McMutton doing something wrong?
  
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  July 14, 2017 10:42am
  - KevOB
    
    How do know we have not been getting Wahabi money?
    
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    July 14, 2017 12:03pm
  - Jack5
    
    Gabby, I think the Saudis financed the mosque in Christchurch.
    
    The Aussies say it was there that two Australian converts to Islam were radicalised before they were killed by drones in Yemen.
    
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    July 14, 2017 9:48pm
dime

Its July, must be time for a

“all blacks aura gone” article.

oh look:

Peter FitzSimons: Lions shatter All Blacks’ aura of invincibility

like fucking clock work. hacks.
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July 14, 2017 10:33am
- Colville
  
  dime.
  As someone commented about the article it is the same article that PF has written 20 times before and its never been true before and isnt this time either.
  
  FFS. 14 ABs beaten by 15 lions by such a HUGE margin.
  
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  July 14, 2017 10:57am
Monique Watson

Mr Face Tatts has gone. But there are 500 snowed in the Chateau Tongariro.
And so the world turns.
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July 14, 2017 10:35am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Devastating. They may have to go to the bar and just wait it out
  
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  July 14, 2017 4:34pm
rightoverlabour

How is the storm? I hardly noticed anything other than a bit of wind and it being a bit chillier than usual. I suppose living near Auckland has its benefits. Now about that icecube that broke off from Antarctica ….

See here for a reasoned response (minus the hype of the MSM who are determined to include Global Warming in the discussion).

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/13/delingpole-biggest-iceberg-evah-story-is-just-more-climate-fakenews/
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July 14, 2017 10:36am
- Gabby
  
  Smokingpole’s being a bigger dick than usual. It’s not going anywhere soon and it’s a normal event.
  
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  July 14, 2017 10:45am
- Garbageman
  
  No storm here in Invers a bit of wind some hail & rain a few brisk morning frosts & nice arvos its strange that this event happens in what we in the deep south call winter eh but the way the media has been reporting you would think another ice age had hit
  
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  July 14, 2017 1:53pm
backster

Nost…Maybe a young ‘fellow’ could be invited to fill in for Tzev. They seem to have had an impact on Labour’s polling numbers.
…./Aw Cmon…You left out Greenhouse gases produced by all by all the breathing and belching that all the solos babies engendered by Labours extra $60 a week and extra ciggies the progenitors can now afford.
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July 14, 2017 10:47am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Mate, you know Greenpeace will be finally be serious about global warming when the lying, thieving fraudulent bastards all stop breathing.
  
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  July 14, 2017 1:29pm
RF

Around 3am this morning I was not able to sleep and turned on the radio to NewsTalk Zb.

I could have sworn the host was getting stuck into Ms Barry and young Tame from TV 1 Breakfast.

He was talking about how there are urgent meetings at TV1 concerning falling ratings and their future could be in doubt.

Callers were getting stuck into Barry as being too old and turning it into a mother / son show.

Did I dream this ?
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July 14, 2017 11:03am
- Longknives
  
  I could understand a ‘3am dream’ about Pippa Wetzall or Ali Pugh- But Maggie Barry RF????
  
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  July 14, 2017 12:01pm
  - RF
    
    Longknives.
    
    Wrong Barry. It was plain Jane, Hilary Barry. Not a popular person according to the people calling in.
    
    Some liked Tame but only because he was a dear wee boy. Has he started shaving ?
    
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    July 14, 2017 3:35pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I am disappointed that TVNZ did not choose Paul Simon’s “Mother and child reunion” as the theme tune for that Barry & Tame show. I had suggested it here on Kiwiblog some time ago.
  
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  July 14, 2017 4:10pm
4077th

An email from Mr Joyce this morning..

Andrew Little from the Labour Party said this week he’d like to be able to govern with both the Greens and Winston Peters after September’s election.

And right on cue, the Greens and New Zealand First started arguing with each other and calling each other names in a display that showed just how dysfunctional their relationship is.

Andrew Little’s three-legged centre-left political stool is already looking very unstable. And they’re supposed to be looking like an alternative government for the country!

Government is a serious business and political parties in government have to be able to work together. The fact that they’re not even under pressure and they’re letting these cracks appear shows that it’s an inherently unstable arrangement.

It is obvious from the comments by the Greens that they aren’t going to get on with NZ First, and yet with Labour they’re proposing some sort of three-way coalition and I think the NZ public will be quite reasonably worried about that.

The public want to know that politicians can run themselves and organise themselves to run the country. Frankly these three parties are showing this week that that’s far from their minds – yet we’re just over 10 weeks out from a very important election for New Zealand.

I can see Steve chose his words very carefully “Andrew Little’s three-legged centre-left political stool” … Stool indeed!! 🙂
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July 14, 2017 11:11am
- KevOB
  
  The centre now is National territory.
  
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  July 14, 2017 12:05pm
  - JeffW
    
    The centre-left is now National territory. There’s no-one in the centre.
    
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    July 14, 2017 3:59pm
Manolo

A preacher of morons and the potent smell of money:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/13/were-losing-more-people-to-the-sweets-than-to-the-streets-why-two-black-pastors-are-suing-coca-cola/?utm_term=.5fb763236cf3

William Lamar, the senior pastor at D.C.’s historic Metropolitan African Methodist Episcopal Church, is tired of presiding over funerals for parishioners who died of heart disease, diabetes and stroke.

So on Thursday, he and another prominent African American pastor filed suit against Coca-Cola and the American Beverage Association, claiming soda manufacturers knowingly deceived customers about the health risks of sugar-sweetened beverages — at enormous cost to their communities.
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July 14, 2017 11:23am
Jack5

The NZ media’s Trump fixation seems limitless.

The Christchurch Press today gives Grant Bayldon, executive director of Amnesty in NZ a large slice of diminishing word space to rip into Trump and to take a passing swipe at NZ’s new Trump-appointed American Ambassador, Scott Brown.

The Press describes Bayldon as executive director of Amnesty International New Zealand. In fact the title of this now Leftist and politically activist organisation is Amnesty International Aotearoa New Zealand Incorporated.

Bayldon predictably criticises America for its stance on refugees, and takes a passing swipe at the number New Zealand allows in.

Why does the newspaper give a platform to such a Leftist activist to trumpet his predictable views? Don’t the editors know that for many, even most, of us, Amnesty is no longer the once admirable organisation that focused on the plight of political prisoners, but is now another Leftist, progressive international “charity” badgering the public for donations?
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July 14, 2017 11:31am
Fletch

Looks like the job offers are pouring in for Facejob boy.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890578
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July 14, 2017 11:40am
- Longknives
  
  TAB offering odds on how long Mr ‘Devast8’ lasts on the job site?
  My tenner is he will stop turning up by Day 3…
  
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  July 14, 2017 11:59am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Morning Tea on Day 1 will be a stretch.
    
    However long it takes for him to scope out the place for items of value and how to break in and get them.
    
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    July 14, 2017 1:32pm
  - 4077th
    
    I have no time for idiots that scribble all over their faces and cry foul when babies and employers are scared. I’m equally disgusted at the NZ Horrid for pushing this non-story for nothing other than clicks. As it turns out over 60% of people said no to him. This is fulfilling the negative outcome he and they predicted..for what gain? Fortunately for Mr Devast8 he is young enough to start fresh. This is an opportunity he should not be taking lightly. The generosity shown by the scaffolder should be re-paid with loyalty and honesty. I truly hope he can sort himself out and that should begin with taking that shit off his face. It’s not cool, it’s stupid and will follow him around for the rest of his life. His criminal convictions will, over time, be forgiven IF he stays on the right track. I hope this young man proves us all wrong…
    
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    July 14, 2017 1:43pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    7.30am, turn up.
    9am, where is the toilet?
    boom
    Back in the hinaki before the end of the month
    
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    July 14, 2017 4:46pm
Don the Kiwi

The dominoes are falling:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/07/the_avalanche_begins_turkey_dumps_paris_accord_following_us.html

Everyone knows a scam when they see one. President Trump pulled the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Accord, and within about a month, Turkey was right on our heels, scrapping its role in the pact right behind us. They didn’t want to be another pillar in some fake global warming establishment myth that would ruin their economy and empower eurocrats, just so wealthy greenie hipsters in the West can feel good about themselves.

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Saturday that Turkey will not be ratifying the Paris climate accord, citing President Donald Trump’s decision to abandon the deal.

Read more:
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July 14, 2017 11:58am
- KevOB
  
  See also:
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/07/13/new-york-times-worlds-nations-building-huge-numbers-of-new-coal-plants-despite-emissions-growth/
  
  Others are not cutting emissions either.
  
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  July 14, 2017 12:10pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Of course, the whole thing was a gravy train put up by President Idiot Obama:-
  
  “Notice that in their case, with the U.S. pullout, it’s a case of the gravy train shutting down. Under the original pact, President Obama pledged $2 billion to third world countries as part of the deal. Well, now that the money’s run out, there’s no reason to hang around.”
  
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  July 14, 2017 12:14pm
- Gabby
  
  Erdygerdy’s given up on joining Europe, thank fuck.
  
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  July 14, 2017 2:01pm
Kimbo

On this day in history – 1979, the New Zealand Rugby Football Union was foolish enough to schedule a test match against the touring French team on…Bastille Day. Says something of the sporting nature of the Eden Park crowds of that era that they (rightly) cheered the tourists’ champagne rugby (as they had Wallaby Greg Cornelson’s four tries the year before).

On the basis of his play that day I could never believe Jerome Gallion was not an automatic test selection at scrum half for his entire career, irrespective of how good Pierre Berbezier was. Just before the 4 minute mark on the link, he harasses All Black half back Mark Donaldson, tackles him, gets to his feet, rushes on and charges down first five Murray Taylor’s clearing kick..and runs on to score a try. Incredible!

And while No. 8 Jean-Luc Joinel was over-rated, and usually out-played by New Zealanders throughout his career, that day he was a colossus. Oh, yes, and their captain, Jean-Pierre Rives was magnificent, along with the Caussade, Averous, Codorniou…

The commentary in French is superb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqltQ_f_QGY
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July 14, 2017 12:01pm
- Longknives
  
  “Says something of the sporting nature of the Eden Park crowds of that era that they (rightly) cheered the tourists’ champagne rugby”
  
  These days the Ref, Linesman, Waitress who served the All Blacks breakfast etc would all be in the Gun..
  ‘Waah!’ ‘Someone must have cheated us!’
  
  As an aside Jean Pierre Rives was slightly before my time but several astute critics I have read rate him as one of the greatest flankers ever- Your thoughts Kimbo?
  
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  July 14, 2017 12:09pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Um, of his era, I think I would rate him just below Mourie, and equal with Rob Louw and Simon Poidevin. Mourie was the better captain, and maybe read the game better, and with cooler judgement, although they were equal in skill.
    
    But for guts Rives was unrivaled, hence he was injured so often in his career, including when the All Blacks toured France in1977 and 1981. Indeed, I think the only other time than he 1979 tour here that he played against the All Blacks was for the Barbarians in Cardiff in 1978.
    
    And his ability to inspire a team that is often like herding cats…the best. I don’t think France has ever had a better skipper. The shock of white hair added to the mystique, and when playing with Jean-Claude Skrela the combination was as effective and legendary as the great Springbok loose forward pair of Greyling and Ellis.
    
    In the first test of 1979 Rives played a crucial part in setting up the wonderful try scored by Patrick Mesny, including the pass to Jean-Luc Averous as he came off his wing to switch direction as was a specialty of the French of that era from approximately the 1:05:00 mark:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIsjC3LAPNk
    
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    July 14, 2017 12:25pm
    - Longknives
      
      I loved watching France in the 80s and 90s as they were just unpredictable as hell.
      Seemingly whenever they were favourites they were flat and rubbish- Write them off however and for some reason Sella, Blanco and co would flick the switch and cut you to absolute shreds..
      
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      July 14, 2017 12:51pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yep. A week a go I said that CMH (Mike) Gibson of NIFC, Ulster, Ireland, the British Isles and the Barbarians was the greatest centre who ever lived…but now that you mention Phillipe Sella, I may have to rate them as equals.
        
        Sella was the first man to play 100 test matches in an era when that meant something. Speaking of his 100th test match (vs the All Blacks at Christchurch in 1994), Sella turned Jonah Lomu’s debut into a horror show – you can’t run if they tackle you around the bootlaces!
        
        Sella was never greater than the 1987 France vs Australia RWC semi-final – and I don’t care what others say, it was the greatest game of rugby ever played:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyk8ulX9lwk
        
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        July 14, 2017 12:56pm
      - Longknives
        
        Sella was the greatest Centre I’ve seen in my lifetime- A superb player.
        And agree re that ’87 Semi Final, It had absolutely everything- Blanco scoring in the corner, Tommy Lawton’s desperate dive, a French guy knocked out cold in the middle of the park while all this goes on around him…
        
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        July 14, 2017 1:04pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I was also really impressed by Alain Lorieux’s opening try in that match. In the context of the game it was so crucial. They were down 3-9 to the Wallabies, and not really in the game. France had also lost to both NZ and Australia down here the year before and were meandering through that World Cup (drew with Scotland in pool play, and arguably should have lost their 1/4 final to Fiji until Severo Koroduadua dropped the ball with the line open)
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXwtUkwvwf4
        
        …so things just had the feel of France sliding out to defeat in the semi. But then Lorieux scored out of what seemed nothing, and they were inspired from that point.
        
        I used to play lock in those days and it was the days before lifting so the law of the jungle applied, especially in the no. 2 jumping position. Off an Australian throw Lorieux reached into the arms of the Wallaby catcher, ripped it out of the maul and peeled around and thundered over in the corner. A great combination of timing and strength. May not be much to look at, but for purists who know how hard the techniques and timing are to perfect, it was superb.
        
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        July 14, 2017 1:13pm
      - Longknives
        
        11 year old Longknives was at the ‘Baby Blacks’ Test in ’86- What a cracking day!
        France were a shit-hot side against a team of newbies and my then favourite-player Mike Brewer crashed over for the Try for a gutsy and dramatic win. (Sadly these days people would complain about there not being enough tries scored..)
        *As an aside it makes my skin crawl when I hear the NZ Colts called the ‘Baby Blacks’ these days…
        
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        July 14, 2017 1:23pm
      - Longknives
        
        Though France got their revenge later in the year at Nantes when the Cavaliers were back- Was a very interesting time for NZ Rugby…
        
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        July 14, 2017 1:26pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yes, there will only ever be one “Baby Blacks”:
        
        Greg Cooper*
        John Kirwan
        Joe Stanley (Ponsonby!)*
        Terry Wright*
        Arthur Stone
        Frano Botica*
        David Kirk (captain)
        Mike Brewer*
        Mark Brooke-Cowden (Ponsonby!)*
        Andy Earl*
        Gordon McPherson*
        Brett Harvey*
        Kevin Boroevich
        Sean Fitzpatrick*
        Brian McGrattan
        
        * All Black debut, and Boroevich had never played a test
        
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        July 14, 2017 1:39pm
      - Longknives
        
        Reserves Kimbo?
        
        I can remember Ian Abercrombie, Victor Simpson and (maybe) Murray Davie?
        Who was halfback reserve?
        
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        July 14, 2017 1:44pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yes, I remember Leota – who never got to play for the ABs.
        
        Reserve half back? Um, maybe Dean Kenny of Otago (they took him to France at the end of the year). Although he never made All Black status, I always thought Neil Sorenson of Wellington was a better no. 9 than David Kirk. But he never made an All Black squad, not even as a reserve.
        
        And didn’t Michael Speight come in for the injured Gordon McPherson in the next test against Aussie? And Brent Anderson for injured Brett Harvey (Earl moved to the blindside flank)
        
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        July 14, 2017 1:49pm
      - Longknives
        
        Apologies- It was Leota I was thinking of (Simpson was away with the Cavaliers)
        
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        July 14, 2017 1:51pm
      - Kimbo
        
        …also maybe Marty Berry
        
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        July 14, 2017 1:54pm
- Gabby
  
  The 70s were the All Black Rugby Decade of Shit.
  
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  July 14, 2017 2:02pm
  - Longknives
    
    Dare I ask why you think that Gabby?
    
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    July 14, 2017 2:26pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Gabby is right. Lost three major series to South Africa in 1970 and 1976, lost to the Lions for the only time in 1971, just beat them in 1077 and had to use three man scrims to do so. Also lost tests to France in 1973, 77 and 79, and to England out here in 1973. That same year the All Blacks also lost to a Presidents team and the NZ Juniors! The 1972-73 team was a PR disaster and Keith Mirdoch was sent home. We also lost three non test games in England when we had never lost any in six previous tours, and also managed to lose to Llanelli and Munster as well as three games non test games in South Africa in 1976, had four tries scored against us by one player (Greg Cornelson) when we lost for the first time in 14 years to the Wallabies in 1978 and then lost the Bledisloe Cup for the first time in 30 years the next year! Oh, yes and we lost a particularly memorable game to the Barbarians in 1973!
      
      Only bright points were not losing to Wales who were the best team in the world, winning our first grand slam in 1978 and the brilliant win against France in Paris in 1977.
      
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      July 14, 2017 2:46pm
    - Gabby
      
      Way too much muscle between the ears. Imagine being offered neutral refs for a tour of sath efdikka and saying duh no shill be right mite.
      
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      July 14, 2017 7:05pm
- MCos
  
  I went to see South Canterbury beat the France ogres with fourteen plucky chaps in 1961. The French were a bad tempered lot that day and after one particularly nasty incident a woman came out of the crowd and thumped the perpetrator.
  
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  July 14, 2017 4:28pm
  - Kimbo
    
    The particularly dirty Michel Crauste if I recall rightly. He was nicknamed “The Mongol”, not just on account of his looks, but also how he played. She hit him on the back with her umbrella, I think…
    
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    July 14, 2017 5:22pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Ah, almost right. T P McLean’s book of that tour (“Cock of the Rugby Roost”) says she came out of the crowd, walked onto the field and thumped Crauste on the back with her fist after he had hit a South Canterbury player out of sight of the ref (Pat Murphy). Her name was Mrs P A (Hilda) Madsen, but it should be pointed out she was not a native of South Canterbury, but rather was from Oamaru! 😉
    
    http://i.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/features/5525108/Triumph-also-bit-of-a-brawl
    
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    July 14, 2017 5:29pm
Manolo

Poor Italy, the new Africa:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4693038/EU-border-agency-warns-85-000-migrants-reached-Italy.html

The number of migrants arriving in Italy by boat in the first six months of 2017 was about 85,000, EU border agency Frontex has announced.

The figure is 21% higher than it was in 2016, and went up 8% between May to June.
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July 14, 2017 12:07pm
- MCos
  
  Let’s not get too melodramatic, Manolo.
  The arrival of those Africans isn’t going to turn Italy into an African country any more than around 60,000 South African immigrants has turned NZ into an African country.
  
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  July 14, 2017 3:57pm
- Gabby
  
  They’ll learn to pinch ladies’ arses and drive like kamikazes and they’ll fit right in.
  
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  July 14, 2017 6:55pm
Lucia Maria

Idiotic study assumes that NZ women don’t walk much

New Zealanders, especially women, among the world’s laziest people – study

This was figured out by using phone data.

Except it assumes that you are carrying your phone around with you all the time, which, I don’t unless I’m out and about with my purse. Or I’m listening to an audio book. Most of the time my phone sits on the bench while I do things. And that phone cannot tell that I am moving when it is stationary.
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July 14, 2017 12:20pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Ah sorry, I downticked Lucy.
  I thought I read “don’t talk much”
  
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  July 14, 2017 6:19pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Hi Steve,
    
    I can see how you’d do that. Phones and talking go together so much better than phones and walking.
    
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    July 14, 2017 8:06pm
dime

lmao saturday night live has got 22 emmy nominations this year.

nothing political about that.

the show is wicked funny. honest.
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July 14, 2017 12:41pm
- Longknives
  
  I’d rather stab my eyes out with a rusty fork than watch Alec Baldwin and Melissa McCarthy relentlessly pushing their ‘Anti- Trump’ agenda…
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOH9trJLedk
  
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  July 14, 2017 1:29pm
  - Gabby
    
    I’d also rather you did.
    
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    July 14, 2017 2:04pm
Manolo

The rest-home calls:
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-nancy-pelosi-giggles-question-nkorea-aggression/
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July 14, 2017 2:01pm
Kabull

Great article by Karl Du Fresne this morning on how it is that the most vociferous and violent protests are carried out by the Left.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/94655946/karl-du-fresne-angry-left-add-fuel-to-the-fire

He draws it into local context with claims the ‘Hobson’s Pledge’ group is a hate group on the same level as the KKK and the Nazi Party.

Well worth a read.
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July 14, 2017 2:03pm
- stiglet
  
  Fuck me! How did that hateful, evil, mindless drivel make it onto Stuff?
  
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  July 14, 2017 3:06pm
Happychappy

Andrew Little at it again pledging $197million to ECE education but then telling them that they will only be able to operate with Qualified Staff. Can someone tell this great Labour Leader that there is a shortage of teachers in main stream schools so how are you going to enforce rules when it takes years to qualify and people just don’t seem to want anything to do with our Union run education system.
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July 14, 2017 2:35pm
Manolo

How more stupid can the Poms get?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-times/lgbti-concerns-force-tube-to-ban-the-phrase-ladies-and-gentlemen/news-story/0174832ca0c6eed63b7951ce4b5e780e

It has been the formal way of addressing an audience for centuries. Now transport bosses in London are banning the greeting “ladies and gentlemen” in favour of a gender-neutral alternative.

Transport for London said yesterday that the phrase, which is believed to have its origins in the 16th century, will be scrapped to be replaced with “good morning everyone”.
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July 14, 2017 2:35pm
Fletch

It looks like the Trump Jr email scandal is a fizzer now. Remember the so-called Russian lawyer he met with? It turns out the Obama Administration let her in the country and took pains to make sure she got there. Loretta Lynch (AG at the time) personally got involved and granted her an extension in 2015 after her visa expired. She even had Democrats working for her (eg, left-wing icon California Democratic Rep. Ron Dellums worked for her as a lobbyist).

So yeh, it’s pretty much a beat-up. Next!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/13/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-worked-with-democrats-for-years/

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/12/exclusive-radical-dem-worked-for-russian-lawyer-who-met-with-trump-jr/
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July 14, 2017 2:56pm
- waripori
  
  Its not a beat up. Its very damaging because there is now some identifiable there there. It is no longer possible for the Trumps to say they had no Russian contacts because there is documentary evidence they did. It does not amount to much apart from proving Don Jr is stupid and Trump Snr cant really get away with characterising his son as an inexperienced young man when he is actually older than the President of France.
  
  It wont change anything politically because the Trump voters don’t care about Russia. They do care about jobs and immigration so this is probably a bigger story.
  https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/donald-trump-dramatically-scales-back-his-plans-for-a-border-wall/533622/
  
  Trump snr seems to be acknowledging what every sensible person knew all along. It is not possible to build the wall he promised and that some sort of see through barrier along about half the border is all that is possible and sensible.
  
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  July 14, 2017 3:15pm
  - Ross12
    
    The problem with that line of argument waripori is that half of DC has had contact with this lawyer. This Bill Still video explains a few of the issues with her visa (which go back on the Obama Admin) and then there is a copy of an interview with a guy who knows all about the lady and what she has been trying to achieve : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO_iMGRTnAM&t=188s
    (NB. I hope my link cuts out the advert at the start –if not the action starts at about 2.0 mins)
    
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    July 14, 2017 3:39pm
    - waripori
      
      Maybe but it does not matter who else she met. My argument is that the meeting with the Trump team is a problem because it undermines the line that there were no contacts when clearly there were some. It also raises the issues of Trump financial dealings with Russia, tax returns,conflicts of interest etc etc. Rust never sleeps and it eats away at foundations.
      
      It might also turn out to be handy for the Whitehouse as it deflects attention from things like the non wall but if people in the administration start to look to their own self interest all sorts of things might come out. For instance if there is evidence Trump himself knew about the meeting before it happened ( and he was just upstairs ) it will be a problem.
      
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      July 14, 2017 4:02pm
      - Ross12
        
        Both Manafort and Kushner noted the meeting in their “declaration” ( or whatever they call it) months ago. DTjnr didn’t have to make a declaration as he isn’t part of the Govt.
        
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        July 14, 2017 4:17pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Financial dealings, Tax Returns’ etc
        
        They’re not needed as it’s all disclosed in the Presidential Candidate Disclosure’s. Trump doesn’t owe money to Russia.
        ‘Candidates running for president (or any federal office) are required to detail their financial holdings, debt and sources of income so that the public can identify any conflicts of interest they may have’
        
        Here’s a link to them all.
        http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/financial-disclosures
        
        If Trump had made a false disclosure he would have been hammered by now…
        As for the meeting, she’s a lawyer. What next? Shock and horror Trump spoke to a waiter at the Russian Tea Rooms in NYC when he had Blinis?
        Yes, you look that pathetic. Face it. You got nothing because there is nothing.
        Unless, gasp, that waiter is a secret cut out with a direct line to Putin!!!!!!
        Treason!!!!!
        
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        July 14, 2017 4:38pm
      - KevOB
        
        What is the significance of this to us?
        
        Keep the American disease out of NZ.
        
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        July 14, 2017 5:17pm
  - KevOB
    
    Anti Trump fake news not welcome here.
    We don’t want the American disease.
    
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    July 14, 2017 3:56pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Except, Trump Jnr posted the emails where he was eager to accept potential dirt on Hillary from the Russian Government whom the lawyer was indirectly representing. Difficult to get around that. Despite claims of it all being nothing much.
  
  Donald Trump Jr. Is His Own ‘Deepthroat’
  
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  July 14, 2017 4:51pm
  - KevOB
    
    I don’t believe a word of what is being written in the US at present. Almost none has any attribution. I wonder if Trump is biding his time for the real truth to come out and a fury of arrests are unleashed on those who seek to destroy him? This will not end peacefully.
    
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    July 14, 2017 5:23pm
  - waripori
    
    Bit hazy about the rules here. I don’t seem to have a right of reply to All on Red at 4.38.
    
    All I can say is that most of the Trump family were involved in the plan to build Trump Tower in Moscow with the Agalarovs and this scheme became uneconomic when Russia annexed Crimea and Western sanctions tanked the Rouble. The Algarovs were behind the meeting that has got Don Jr in to all this trouble. This all raises questions about conflicts of interest and efforts to have these sanctions lifted.
    
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    July 14, 2017 5:31pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      No sanctions have been lifted, if anything Trump has been hard on Putin and Russia. His actions prove that. Gas to Poland anyone. Armored Division in Poland etcetera So your speculation is wrong and just fantasy.
      Did you look through his Disclosure? Better than a Tax Return eh ?
      
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      July 14, 2017 6:16pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    So what. Nothing criminal, move on.
    
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    July 14, 2017 5:33pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Shame on Donald Jr for taking as long as TWENTY minutes to realise she had nothing, and now looks to be a set up. Is that so the Lynch DOJ has an excuse to surveil Trump?
    
    ‘Although she has been painted by Democrats as a Russian government official, numerous reports and photos show she has a long record of working with U.S. political figures, including many Democrats.
    
    For example, The Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group revealed on Wednesday that California Rep. Ron Dellums was a hired lobbyist for Veselnitskaya.
    
    According to a Washington Post story, she worked for years on a case with Glenn Simpson, the founder of Fusion GPS, a firm that produced a widely discredited dossier against Trump.
    
    She also worked with Christopher Cooper, the founder and CEO of Potomac Square Group, which has had Democratic clients including California Government Jerry Brown, Democratic presidential nominee Howard Dean, and Joe Trippi, according to the Daily Caller.
    
    And it was Obama’s Attorney General Loretta Lynch that granted her an extension in late 2015 to stay in the U.S. after her visa was due to expire, under “extraordinary circumstances” related to defending a case in New York, according to The Hill. She was granted an extension through January, but it’s not yet clear how she was able to be in the U.S. in June 2016, when she met with Trump Jr., and again January 2017.
    
    Four days after her meeting with Trump Jr. on June 9, 2016, she was in Washington, D.C. for a movie screening of an anti-Magnitsky Act film at the Newseum with at least five congressional staffers and State Department officials, according to The Hill.
    
    The next day she attended a House hearing, sitting in the front row behind Obama’s former U.S. Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul, who was testifying, according to photos of the hearing. McFaul has taken to Twitter to claim that Republicans placed her there, apparently next to his family members, and has denied any meetings with her. (Edit, yeah riiiight)
    
    Around that time, Veselnitskaya also attended a dinner with the House subcommittee overseeing Russia policy, and about 20 other guests,
    
    Veselnitskaya appears to have been inside Sen. John McCain’s office in December 2015, according to a photo of a man and the Arizona Republican senator she uploaded to Facebook.’
    
    Gosh, she gets around…Democrats!
    (McCain may as well be a Democrat)
    It’s really funny watching the morons do exactly what Putin probably wanted- to sow seeds of mistrust. The Dems are just destroying themselves and wrecking what little credibility they had.People like Schiller, Waters, Kaine, Pelosi et al are just demented.
    And Antifa, supposedly funded by Soros is destroying the Bernie Bro movement, and the Universities they go to. And of course then there’s those on here, LOL!!!!
    Talk about unintended consequences- on their part.
    
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    July 14, 2017 6:12pm
    - waripori
      
      Russsian trolls all over US chatrooms today.
      
      Bit surprised to think NZ is worth bothering about.
      
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      July 14, 2017 6:38pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        We’re part of 5 Eyes. Probably why.
        
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        July 14, 2017 7:08pm
noskire

Un-fucking believable. This is PC going absolutely bat-shit crazy: https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/94729131/actor-james-woods-shocks-family-of-gender-creative-child-with-scathing-attack

Quote from the article “Gender creative is a way of describing people (typically children) who are not fixed to culture’s normative definitions of male or female and, in their own way, interweave their own sense of gender.”

And this (I kid you not) “She said CJ began showing signs of gender nonconformity at age 3, started referring to himself as gender nonconforming at 5, and self identified as a member of the LGBTQ community at 8.”

Absolute fucking bollocks.
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July 14, 2017 2:57pm
- stiglet
  
  The headline is wrong. Should be “Prophetic James Woods warns SJW idiots against using children for political pointscoring”
  
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  July 14, 2017 3:45pm
Longknives

“CJ started referring to himself as gender nonconforming at 5..”

Fuck me Sideways! Do these weirdos really expect us to believe that??
James Woods is right- They are clearly using their kid to make some kind of Political Statement.
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July 14, 2017 3:08pm
- noskire
  
  How (or more importantly why) the fuck does a 5-year-old refer to his or her-self as fucking gender non-conforming?
  
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  July 14, 2017 3:45pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Noskire:
    
    I think Kindergarten Cop (the movie) accurately captures the extent of a 5-year-old’s gender studies education:
    
    Boys have a penis, and girls have a vagina
    
    I very much doubt that a 5-year-old would think “I have a penis, but I want to be a girl”. It’s much more likely that the “calming influence” of a social justice warrior parent has something to do with it.
    
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    July 14, 2017 4:24pm
    - noskire
      
      Agreed.
      Now I think I identify more as Ngai Tahu, rather than New Zealand European. Can I have some crayfish quota please.
      
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      July 14, 2017 4:33pm
nasska

Only in America:

A+ Bail Bonding

In jail – we bail
24hr service
Call us B4 the soap drops.
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July 14, 2017 3:24pm
Nostradamus

Big job cuts plan at Otago University

The University of Otago has announced plans to cut 182 full-time-equivalent (FTE) general staff. … [Vice-chancellor Prof Harlene Hayne] said the cuts and changes to the way general staff operated were needed if the university was to maintain its “environment of excellence”.

The reference to “environment of excellence” is interesting. In 2013 Karl du Fresne raised alarm bells about Otago University:

I wonder what such men would make of Dunedin today. Once a southern bastion of industry and commerce, it’s now chiefly known for the torrent of shrill, moralistic scaremongering emanating from Otago University.
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The Otago researchers’ findings always paint the blackest picture imaginable. And the message is invariably the same: our consumption habits are out of control and the government must act. Underlying that is another message again: we are all at the mercy of greedy purveyors of booze and high-risk foods. Their wickedness must be curbed by advertising bans and punitive taxes. Hostility to capitalism is never far from the surface.

Has anything changed since du Fresne’s 2013 article?
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July 14, 2017 4:20pm
- kowtow
  
  look at some of the shit that was on offer ……..
  
  “Both she and the Tertiary Education Union (TEU) were also concerned at the effect cutting dance would have on the university’s commitment to its Maori and Pacific frameworks, which were important parts of the discipline.”
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/campus/university-of-otago/otago-drops-dance-degree
  
  Are they saying that the Maoris and Pacifics had to dance their way to degrees that perhaps they couldn’t have otherwise got?
  
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  July 14, 2017 5:52pm
RF

Breaking news.

Apparently TV3 has inside information concerning Labour. Sounds as if it’s a big deal……

Paddy is fronting this at 6pm tonight.

Could be very interesting.
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July 14, 2017 4:37pm
- noskire
  
  Yup, Little has been dumped.
  
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  July 14, 2017 4:48pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Robbo?
    
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    July 14, 2017 4:56pm
  - noskire
    
    Grant Robertson is the new leader, Jacinda still deputy.
    
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    July 14, 2017 4:56pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      Some-one has a sense of humor.
      
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      July 14, 2017 4:58pm
    - KevOB
      
      Does that mean we will increase our Samoan immigration quota? Has Jacinda learned the Tamoure?
      
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      July 14, 2017 5:26pm
Nostradamus

The Australian political story of the day: Greens senator Scott Ludlam resigns over failure to renounce dual citizenship

Australian Greens deputy leader Scott Ludlam is resigning from parliament, after it emerged he holds dual citizenship of Australia and New Zealand. Mr Ludlam is also the Senator for Western Australia. He recently discovered he is a citizen of both Australia and New Zealand. The dual citizenship means that under the Australian constitution he cannot legally be a member of the Australian Parliament.
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Mr Ludlam grew up in Palmerston North and left New Zealand when he was three.

How can you “grow up” in Palmerston North if you leave as a 3-year-old? Is Palmerston North that bad than even 3-year-olds don’t want to live there?
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July 14, 2017 4:47pm
- nasska
  
  It’s worse than you think Nostra. They’ve had to resort to closing the Manawatu Gorge to stop more defections.
  
  The next move will be to enclose the city with razor wire & machine gun posts. 🙂
  
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  July 14, 2017 4:59pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    They need to nasska. Read the other day that Palmie is now the clap capital of the country. Best we make sure none of them get out.
    
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    July 14, 2017 6:52pm
- Harriet
  
  I was just going to post that —- and he’s been a senator for 10yrs!!!!
  
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  July 14, 2017 5:02pm
publicwatchdog

FYI Kiwibloggers 🙂

UPDATE FROM HER WARSHIP – THE HAGUE 14 July 2017
5.27 am

(I know – I should still be sleep:(

I ended up handing out 80 copies of my following ACTION PLAN to fellow attendees, (on the other side being the recent article by Damien Grant Sunday Star Times 9 July 2017).

(It has been well-received.

I have had feedback from a number of attendees that they had no idea that was the situation in New Zealand.)

This, in my view, is the alternative to a corruption measure bring based upon ‘perception’ (ie: largely the subjective opinions of anonymous business people).

These are objective yardsticks / milestones that can be used, in my view, to measure corruption REALITY.

There are actually hundreds of hours of work that have gone into this ONE A4 page.)

The question is – if New Zealand was truly ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ – wouldn’t we be the MOST transparent?

So why doesn’t New Zealand already have the following?

ACTION PLAN TO ENSURE ‘OPEN, TRANSPARENT AND DEMOCRATICALLY ACCOUNTABLE’ NZ GOVERNMENT AND JUDICIARY:

1) Make ALL ‘facilitation payments’ (BRIBES) illegal.

2) Legislate to create an NZ independent anti-corruption body, tasked with educating the public and preventing corruption.

3) Legislate for NZ members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else) to have a legally enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’.

4) Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002, for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.

5) Make it lawful, mandatory requirement for Local Government elected representatives to complete a ‘Register of Interests’ which is available for public scrutiny.

6) Make it a lawful, mandatory requirement for Local Government staff, responsible for property or procurement, to complete a ‘Register of Interests’ which is available for public scrutiny.

7) Make it lawful, mandatory requirement for Local Government Council Controlled Organisation (CCO) Directors and staff, responsible for property or procurement, to complete a ‘Register of Interests’ which is available for public scrutiny.

8) Fully implement and enforce the Public Records Act 2005, to ensure public records are available for public scrutiny.

9) Make it a lawful requirement that a ‘cost-benefit’ analysis of NZ Central Government and Local Government public finances must be undertaken, to prove that private procurement of public services previously provided ‘in house’ is cost-effective for the public majority of tax payers and rate payers.

10) Legislate for a legally enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for members of the NZ Judiciary, to ensure that they are not ‘above the law’.

11) Legislate to provide a publicly-available NZ Judicial ‘Register of Interests’, to help prevent ‘conflicts of interest’.

12) Ensure ALL NZ Court proceedings are recorded, with audio records available to parties who request them.

13) Legislate for a publicly-available NZ ‘Register of Lobbyists, and ‘Code of Conduct’ for lobbyists.

14) Legislate for a ‘post-separation employment’ (‘revolving door’ ) quarantine period from the time officials leave the public service, to take up a similar role in the private sector.

15) Legislate to make it a lawful requirement that it is only a binding vote of the public majority that can determine whether public assets held at NZ central or local government are sold, or long-term leased via Public Private Partnerships.

16) Legislate to make it unlawful for politicians to knowingly misrepresent their policies prior to central or local government elections.

17) Legislate to protect individuals, NGOs and community-based organisations, who are ‘whistle-blowing’ against ‘conflicts of interest’ and and alleged corrupt practices at central and local government level and within the judiciary.

18) Legislate to prevent ‘State Capture’ – where vested interests get what they want, at the ‘policy’ level, before laws are passed which serve their vested interests.

……
_____________________________

Which political parties in NZ
have such an ACTION PLAN?

What I would like to see is AS MANY political parties/ groups / organisations and individuals ‘pick up the ball’ here and ‘help themselves’ to as many of these ‘demands’ as possible – so we get AS MANY people as possible calling for genuine transparency and accountability in New Zealand.

“Where the people lead – the politicians will follow …”

Politically – we need to CLEAN our country up!

On the NZ anti- corruption front – this ACTION PLAN gives a clear path forward.

Please folks – all I ask you to do is read carefully and consider these ACTION PLAN points, and if you agree – please SHARE?

THANKS!

Penny Bright
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July 14, 2017 5:04pm
- nasska
  
  Dear God. The crap…..it never stops!
  
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  July 14, 2017 5:06pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    I’m starting to think that Hugh Pavletich has overtaken Penny as Kiwiblog’s resident spam merchant. Then again, it’s a choice between Hugh’s nested threads of “extensive postings” every day, and Penny’s delusional rantings every couple of days. What a choice that is!
    
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    July 14, 2017 5:25pm
    - nasska
      
      Hugh’s post are so mind numbingly boring that survival instincts kick in & you scroll quickly down before a coma overcomes you.
      
      With Penny there’s a morbid curiosity. It makes you take a quick peep just to see if she finally taken that small last step into madness. 🙂
      
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      July 14, 2017 5:33pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Fuck off Penny.
        Who cares?
        
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        July 14, 2017 5:39pm
    - chris
      
      I had to laugh at one of Hugh’s posts from yesterday or the day before that started off with “In case you missed it yesterday” followed by a copy n paste of the same post from the previous day, that no one read either…
      
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      July 14, 2017 5:46pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Chris:
        
        You should check out this recent Kiwiblog thread. The title (Auckland house prices stabilise) clearly caused Hugh to wet his pants with excitement. The last 16 comments – yes 16 – are Hugh’s. No one bothered to reply to any of them.
        
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        July 14, 2017 6:00pm
  - publicwatchdog
    
    Where exactly am I FACTUALLY INCORRECT in anything I am saying nasska?
    
    Kind regards
    
    Penny Bright
    (from The Hague 🙂
    
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    July 15, 2017 12:52am
- Nostradamus
  
  Penny:
  
  You should tell your rule of law buddies what a High Court judge said about you last year:
  
  Ms Bright may wish to make a point about the Council’s obligations under the Public Records Act and the Local Government Act, but these proceedings are not an appropriate vehicle to do so. Ms Bright, like other ratepayers, has an obligation to pay the rates that have been validly assessed as payable by her. Her refusal to do so simply increases the administration costs of the Council.
  
  The fellow attendees may be interested to know that you take a hypocritical approach when it comes to observing the rule of law!
  
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  July 14, 2017 5:20pm
  - publicwatchdog
    
    Have YOU ever been invited to attend an international ‘Rule of Law’ Forum at The Hague, Nostradamus?
    
    Just asking – nicely.
    
    Kind regards
    
    Penny Bright
    
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    July 15, 2017 12:54am
    - SteveRemmington
      
      Penny, while unlike you it seems Nostradamus may not have been invited to The Hague. However I’m entirely positive that if he had, he could have actually made the trip on his own dime instead of having to bludge the fare over social media.
      
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      July 15, 2017 5:16am
      - SteveRemmington
        
        And by the way Penny, you don’t get invited to the forum. You register to attend.
        
        I could have in fact registered my cat to attend such is the bar height in regards to attendance.
        
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        July 15, 2017 5:28am
- noskire
  
  Amongst other things, and as usual, this comment is once again a waste of a scroll-wheel.
  
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  July 14, 2017 5:30pm
- KevOB
  
  We have most of this already. The rest is impractical wishful thinking.
  Come home all will be forgiven when you have paid your rates.
  
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  July 14, 2017 5:30pm
- stiglet
  
  Dearest Penny,
  
  We pay rates. You don’t.
  Therefore….
  Fuck off.
  
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  July 14, 2017 6:51pm
noskire

More “unbiased” reporting from Stuff: Henry Cooke – “Over 800,000 people voted for Labour last time they faced Bill English. Most of them haven’t died. They should have a go at winning them back.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94735257/if-labour-want-to-win-some-votes-they-should-make-their-schemes-universal
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July 14, 2017 5:04pm
- Jack5
  
  Who is Henry Cooke?
  
  This might help:
  
  http://thewireless.co.nz/authors/henry-cooke
  
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  July 14, 2017 5:26pm
  - noskire
    
    Henry might need his/her gender evaluated…
    
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    July 14, 2017 5:33pm
- fernglas
  
  It clearly states that it is an opinion, so it’s not supposed to be unbiased.
  
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  July 14, 2017 5:53pm
  - noskire
    
    True.
    Link to a political opinion piece on Stuff in the last month that wasn’t anti-National.
    
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    July 14, 2017 5:58pm
Jack5

An interesting discussion of globalisation – of special interest to a small trading nation like New Zealand – in the Guardian.

It’s a little long by blog standards, but worth while.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/14/globalisation-the-rise-and-fall-of-an-idea-that-swept-the-world
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July 14, 2017 6:05pm
Shawn Herles

“Breaking news.

Apparently TV3 has inside information concerning Labour. Sounds as if it’s a big deal……”

So, a leaked internal poll that was meant solely for the party leadership shows Labour’s vote crashing. They are on 26%, and a graph showing the trend looked bad. Nosediving would be an accurate description. Their lost votes are going to NZ First, who are on 14%.
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July 14, 2017 6:13pm
- nasska
  
  The vote buying & election promises will be a wonder to behold.
  
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  July 14, 2017 6:16pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Labour’s confidential polling leaked
  
  Newshub has been leaked poll results from the company that does Labour’s internal polling which show it is in big trouble, two-and-a-half months out from the election. The results show Labour is on 26 percent support – crashing from 34 percent in May.
  
  And New Zealand First, for the first time in three years of polling, is no longer the lowest rating party. Winston Peters and co are on 14 percent – up 5 percent since May – just overtaking the Greens who are on 13 percent.
  
  The polling is done for Labour’s inner sanctum and the results are normally kept secret from the public. It is a credible, regular poll of 750 people that Labour’s leadership and MPs really rely on – and the figure provided to Newshub are right up to date to July.
  
  Who (within Labour’s inner sanctum) would have a vested interest in leaking this information and why?
  
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  July 14, 2017 6:17pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    The Newshub article I linked to has now been updated. It now says (covering the same ground twice in slightly different terms):
    
    Tonight the Labour Party and UMR said the results had not yet been released to the Labour Party and the leak must have come from a corporate client who had already been provided the results.
    …
    The Labour Party said the leak cannot have been an internal leak, as they have not yet received the report. UMR provide their reports to a variety of corporate clients, of which Labour is just one.
    
    Fascinating…
    
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    July 14, 2017 6:39pm
    - Nookin
      
      Newshub is reportedly about to publish an interview with Mr Andrew Little, leader of the Labor Party who states that the poll had been conducted by members of the Auckland branch of the Labour Party acting in their personal capacities together with a number of interns that the party had engaged to illustrate its support for unemployed youth. Mr Little apparently asserts that this is not an internal Labour Party poll but was undertaken by others with a loose connection to the party (mainly by virtue of holding elected positions within the party) and, given the illiteracy of some of those conducting the poll, should not be relied upon.
      The party secretary, Mr Kirton, has stated that the exercise was undertaken by a number of well-meaning party supporters acting outside the authority of the party and without its usual resources.
      
      Mr Kirton stated that as soon as the party found out that the situation was out of control, it immediately stepped in. Mr Kirton has assured party supporters that in the brief time that it has had control of the situation, it has been able to massage the support which is now approaching the earlier figure of 34%.
      “We convened an emergency meeting of party faithful – approximately 50 – all of whom reaffirmed their commitment to the party and we borrowed a further 25 supportive votes from an earlier poll that had not previously been published. Rather than let those votes go to waste, we have incorporated in the latest poll. We are now at least 34% and rising” said Mr Kirton who added that it has been a long-standing practice to publish only every second or third poll so that it can supplement significant bowls by calling upon previously unutilised support votes.
      “The scheme works so well that we are investigating the extent to which we will be able to use it in a general election” said Mr Kirton
      
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      July 14, 2017 7:15pm
    - Prince
      
      So some ‘corporate clients’ receive polling results before Labour ?
      Indeed, fascinating.
      Perhaps the same organisation that funded the slave camp.
      
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      July 14, 2017 7:23pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      There is a Roy Morgan poll just out that has National on 43% with the Greens ahead of NZF. The Roy Morgan is less reliable than others but is shows National with still need NZF. The poll was taken before the Greens showed disunity and ACT’s deputy resigned taking some Chinese votes from Epsom.
      
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      July 14, 2017 9:09pm
  - noskire
    
    Stuart Nash – I think he is the only credible leader Labour has on its team at the moment.
    If Labour get a real thumping at the polls, as it seems they might, he has a real chance of taking the leadership. But he can only do this by wiping out the feminazi, LGBT and union control that is plaguing Labour at the moment. He’s probably the only guy up to it.
    
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    July 14, 2017 6:42pm
  - KevOB
    
    Add it up: 26+13+15 = 54
    That’s no government.
    
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    July 14, 2017 7:23pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Labour’s vote crashing.
  
  Quick ztev, man the pumps!! (oh, he can’t … )
  
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  July 14, 2017 6:57pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    This exchange deserves another run:
    
    Captain Mainwaring: ztev, why don’t you and marquess get over to the political poll thread and come to Slavelabour’s defence?
    
    ztev: because theres no news , its all polling noise around a margin of error which is roughly 4%
    
    nasska: You mean Little could be as low as 1%?
    
    I wonder if Ztev thinks this latest story is “polling noise” too.
    
    Oh well, seeing as Ztev is banned for a month, let’s ask Marquess instead. Marquess: once you’ve received your diversionary talking points from Labour HQ, could you please tell us how Labour HQ people reacted to all of this polling noise?
    
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    July 14, 2017 7:11pm
    - Nookin
      
      I think Marquess prepared the statements to be made by Little and Kirton as I reported above.
      
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      July 14, 2017 7:22pm
Steve (North Shore)

Gabby, can you please go give Ztev a blowjob? He is out in the cold, the freezing southern hemisphere global warming cold. He is not dead, just having a rest, and needs a cuddle.
That is ‘code’ and you can understand it
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July 14, 2017 6:25pm
- Gabby
  
  Stoive, that looks like the sort of thing someone got a bit of a break for. A sock of yours?
  
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  July 14, 2017 6:39pm
Happychappy

Will Andrew Little and Labour apologise to the NZ public after misleading them with poll results, after all is this not what is argument with Bill English about Todd Barclay was about not telling the truth and strong Leadership of what he believed was a strong point of his reign. So obviously slave gate and political fraud with now misleading poll figures how can the NZ voter trust this Labour Leader. 26% doesn’t look like 30% does it.
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July 14, 2017 6:45pm
Nostradamus

Meanwhile, in the parallel universe at The Standard, “Sanctuary” risks being banned for expressing unapproved thoughts:

This is what happens when for a decade your caucus is full of bourgeoise show ponies, talentless and valueless careerists, and useless stuffed shirts selected because of identity and not talent.

Labour is on track to catastrophe. If they are lucky, they’ll still be the biggest party after the election. If they tank, they may well be reduced to third place. That is what happens when you have not guts, no fight, no passion and no belief in anything beyond arse kissing the vaunted “centre” and hanging on to your fat salary.

Timid policies from visionless managerialists, tinkering policies indistinguishable in spirit from National, and a useless, complacent PLP full of no-hopers.

Pass the popcorn please!
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July 14, 2017 7:03pm
- alex Masterley
  
  No-one disagreed with “Sanctuary” which is odd.
  Even Penny didn’t get much of a response.
  Apathy seems to have broken out over there.
  
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  July 14, 2017 7:32pm
- itstricky
  
  risks being banned for expressing unapproved thoughts
  
  I hate to be the killjoy but that pretty much happens here, too. The mob decides they don’t like someone and they vote their comments out. Not sure KB can take the moral high ground.
  
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  July 14, 2017 8:26pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    It’s not the same thing at all. Downticking does not ban anyone. Nobody gets banned just for their views, unless they are well outside the stated rules. And even when someone gets enough downticks to hide a post you can still click on it and read it. It’s a way to express disapproval, not a way to silence anyone, let alone ban them. Your attempt at equivalence with the Stranded ‘s Stalinist practices is total bollocks.
    
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    July 14, 2017 8:44pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    itstricky:
    
    I’m sure you’ll appreciate the difference between banning people and hiding comments. Banned people can’t comment at all. Hidden comments can be read by anyone who clicks on them.
    
    Exhibit A: The Standard
    
    Latest Roy Morgan is out:
    
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    I wonder if we will see a dedicated TS thread on this like the last (favorable to the left) CM poll.
    
    [lprent: Ah another dickhead troll. Quotes without clearly showing that it is a quote, and does it without a link so I deleted the unattributed quote (it is in the link I provided). If there is a dedicated post depends on an author thinking that it is of interest. We generally don’t waste that many posts to polls. Usually every few months. But we don’t take kindly to people trying to tell us what we should write about. In fact it is in the policy as a self-martyrdom offense. So what to do… Oh I know Banned for 6 weeks – which is roughly when I figure an authors is likely to put up a post on a poll. You should have enough patience for that right? ]
    
    Exhibit B: Kiwiblog
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    
    Your thoughts?
    
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    July 14, 2017 8:54pm
noskire

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/94701063/welcome-to-the-christchurch-welcome-to-the-south

Last week, ChristchurchNZ business development manager Caroline Blanchfield said few visitors were coming into the Christchurch CBD, which needed to offer a “better” visitor experience than it did now.

They never really came into the CBD before the earthquakes either (unless their were kickbacks for the guide/driver at the tacky giftshops around The Square).

Bus tour groups generally stayed overnight after a long international flight, then headed to Tekapo/Queenstown the next day.

Free, independent travelers would pick up their rental car at the airport, stay a night and then head down south also.

And backpackers would spend fuck-all as usual.

Christchurch has never been an international destination city, but a transport hub to the South Island. The improvements to Queenstown Airport have seen an end to this monopoly.

And don’t tell me people want to come to Christchurch to see the “rebuild” after an earthquake. What a heap of crap.
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July 14, 2017 7:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I was reading an article on the most effective ways to reduce your CO2 footprint…..

eat a plant-based diet, avoid air travel, live car free, and have fewer children
https://phys.org/news/2017-07-effective-individual-tackle-climate-discussed.html

One blog commenter suggested that if we started eating children we could still enjoy meat while reducing the planet’s CO2 burden.
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July 14, 2017 7:27pm
stiglet

How is this manslaughter?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/94741123/zariah-samson-jailed-for-horrific-killing-of-boyfriend-cory-protos

Ugly emo anger?
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July 14, 2017 7:36pm
- dad4justice
  
  The justice system is a feminazi state run freakshow run by radical men hating feminists and girly men judges fueled by obscene salaries that enjoy the luxury that the vile scum of the earth are unaccountable to nobody!
  
  A man did this he would get life. What a fucked up corrupt country!
  
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  July 14, 2017 7:49pm
  - nasska
    
    She’d be a contender for the Gay Oakes mankiller of the year award Dad.
    
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    July 14, 2017 8:06pm
  - Jack5
    
    But what do you really think of the justice system, Dad? No need for you to be always holding back on Kiwiblog.
    
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    July 14, 2017 9:39pm
Jack5

The All Blacks don’t appear in the Forbes list of the world’s 50 most valuable sports teams. The list is 51 this year, because of a tie.

The Forbes doesn’t survey rugby.

The 50th and 51st teams in this year’s list are valued at 1.75 billion US dollars (about 2.39 billion NZ dollars).

I wonder whether the All Blacks 2ould be valued at $NZ2.39 billion or more.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2017/07/12/full-list-the-worlds-50-most-valuable-sports-teams-2017/#3ea67b954a05
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July 14, 2017 8:00pm
- Happychappy
  
  Jack5 : The All Blacks could never appear in Forbes as they are not privately owned and not on the share market or can’t sell or transfer their players. They also don’t own there grounds and are in franchises that are leased out by NZ Rugby so it is hard to accumulate wealth.
  
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  July 14, 2017 8:19pm
- Longknives
  
  You think your beloved All Blacks are as big as the New York Yankees, Dallas Cowboys or Manchester United??
  You are either on drugs or in love…
  
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  July 14, 2017 8:28pm
  - Jack5
    
    Longknives, I keep hearing on TV and radio that the All Blacks are the world’s greatest sports team.
    
    More fake news?
    
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    July 14, 2017 9:38pm
    - Longknives
      
      Good Grief..
      
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      July 15, 2017 8:08am
Lucia Maria

Hi Shawn,

You’re back! I hope everything has been ok with you. 🙂
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July 14, 2017 8:08pm
- Shawn Herles
  
  Yes, everything has been good thanks. Not really back as such, I’m normally too busy to do much more than check out what DPF is saying now and then, it’s just that I have a nasty case of pneumonia at the moment so a little more free time on my hands.
  
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  July 14, 2017 8:36pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    That doesn’t sound good, get better soon!
    
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    July 14, 2017 10:27pm
sooty

Labour in the shit! UMR poll leaked before labour even received it. Now sitting at 26%! Wish they had Angrys personal polling!
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July 14, 2017 8:59pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Sooty:
  
  UMR probably does have poll results for Andrew Little’s personal rating. They just haven’t been leaked yet!
  
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  July 14, 2017 9:12pm
- Nostradamus
  
  More problems for Andrew Little: New Zealand First party leader Winston Peters: How the Kingmaker could become PM
  
  Winston Peters is shaping as the man who will choose our next Prime Minister – again. At 72, the kingmaker of New Zealand politics could make a final play to snare the top job for himself, writes Audrey Young.
  
  Andrew Little will enjoy reading this article over breakfast tomorrow morning – hopefully he doesn’t choke on the cornflakes!
  
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  July 14, 2017 9:27pm
Longknives

Nine Fucking Kids!!!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890786

“To the people who may judge her on having so many children and struggling to find a house Buchanan said that this was never her plan to end up in this situation
“I didn’t plan on being a solo mum, but things happen.”

Jesus Wept!
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July 14, 2017 9:18pm
- BeeSting
  
  Plenty of Families have raised 9 kids+ intentionally in NZ stayed Married and have never been a Burden on the State.
  
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