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Massive Leadership Failure Theresa

WTF Theresa May?

Your country is under the most devastating attack since the end of WW2 and more in need of leadership than at any point since the Blitz – and you f***ing suspend campaigning?

This is when a true leader steps up and articulates how they’ll solve the problem! You don’t f***ing go and hide in no 10 in the dark! Each political party should be out there explaining how they’ll stop muslim terrorism and asking the voters of the UK to give them a mandate to make it safe to walk the streets again.

And if they are so utterly retarded as to not know how to get it done – here is a perfect example. The day Corbyn’s mates in the IRA blew up the Grand Brighton Hotel in 1984 where the Tory party conference was assembled – Margaret Thatcher insisted that the conference carried on regardless and she opened the first session at 9.30 as scheduled and talked to the nation.

That’s what leaders with real balls and real courage do! This was a once in a generation leadership opportunity and you blew it Theresa! We should have known that you were just a barren political whore the way you whiffled on Brexit and then swooped in to scoop up the spoils without having done the hard yards and put your position out there.

One of my respected Kiwiblogger colleagues said this a few months ago (sorry I can’t recall who) and it has stuck with me….
“Hard times make for strong leaders, strong leaders make for good times, good times make for weak leaders, weak leaders make for hard times……”

Never truer than right now! Where the fuck are the UK’s strong leaders now – MIA?

Once again – why are we importing muslims here? We don’t need this kind of future! It’s so bizarre to watch a country poison itself when it’s avoidable.
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June 5, 2017 8:00am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Suspending campaigning for one day (Sunday) as a mark of respect for those who died is fair enough DP.
  
  Whilst there hasn’t been any “official” campaigning, Boris Johnson has certainly drawn a line in the sand with this Facebook message:
  
  Boris Johnson
  
  9 hrs ·
  
  Once again terrorists have struck at London – the greatest city on earth.
  
  They mean to scare us.
  
  They hope to divide our society.
  
  They want us to change the way we live our lives.
  
  We must not and we will not give in.
  
  Today we mourn the innocent victims – the dead and injured who have been drawn like all London crowds from all the corners of the earth.
  
  Over the last few hours I have been receiving the condolences of other countries – and offering our condolences to those whose nationals are among the casualties.
  
  Those foreign governments have been echoing our own thanks for the extraordinary response of the police and the emergency services.
  
  We salute their bravery as well as the astonishing bravery of members of the public.
  
  Today we collectively resolve to beat the terrorists and their nihilistic creed.
  
  To those who sympathise or encourage or harbour or aid or abet these killers – in any way – we say enough is enough.
  
  Your time is up. The wells of tolerance are running empty.
  
  We will not let you disrupt our lives or our democracy.
  
  In the week of this general election millions of people need to hear the arguments on either side.
  
  They cannot have that fundamental right taken away by terrorists.
  
  Millions of Londoners will today get on with their lives.
  
  They will go to the pub and to the museums and to the parks and to the shows.
  
  The response of the British people will be to carry on with business and usual – as far as they possibly can – in a spirit of total defiance.
  
  And that is the best response of all.
  
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  June 5, 2017 8:25am
  - mara
    
    But what would he actually DO about it? Nothing politically incorrect is my guess and so the one-sided war will continue. Tomorrow or the day after he will take off his big boy pants and he, along with May, will continue as before. Talk is cheap.
    
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    June 5, 2017 8:40am
    - David Garrett
      
      mara: Well said…If he or May had said “that’s it – we will not admit one more Muslim to our green and pleasant land” that would at least have been something…way too late to be of any real effect, but SOMETHING…instead, all that waffle really is just a spoken version of “We will overcome”…and it took the Negroes – as they then were – a couple of hundred years and some real ACTION to overcome their plight…
      
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      June 5, 2017 8:51am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Plus wtf ‘Your time is up. The wells of tolerance are running empty.’ The wells should be bone dry.
        
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        June 5, 2017 11:33am
  - Inandout
    
    No Boris, ‘Today we collectively resolve to beat the terrorists and their nihilistic creed’ sounds more like a motion passed at a club meeting.
    
    Churchill said in 1940:
    ‘You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory. Victory at all costs—Victory in spite of all terror—Victory, however long and hard the road may be, for without victory there is no survival’.
    
    The same PM would have faced Islam head on, closed mosques, prevented more, rounded up as many jihadists as possible, and put troops on permanent street patrol. Even Muslims have a line they are too shit scared to cross, and every weapon against their ‘cultural sensitivities’ would be used; pork, canines, females in bikinis.
    
    As it stands under T.May we will see more fumbling by MI5, more useless speeches, more sinking into the mire of procrastination.
    
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    June 5, 2017 8:55am
  - EAD
    
    F*ck Donmeh Boris Johnson and his empty platitudes. It’s all these Politicians have got as teenage girls are shredded by nail bombs and raped en masse by these low IQ 3rd world aliens who the British People never invited into their country.
    
    I.e.
    
    “They hope to divide our society.” – (after decades of the likes of Boria promoting mutliculturalism while denigrating the native British)
    
    “We will not let you disrupt our lives or our democracy.” – well if having 90 year old Welsh grannies felt up before boarding a plane is not “disrupting our lives” I don’t know what is. And as for “democracy” – it is “democracy that bought these millions of these aliens in the first place. The only brave Politician who spoke out in force against this madness and was supported by 90%+ of the electorate (ie real democracy), Enoch Powell was hounded out of your party.
    
    “The response of the British people will be to carry on with business and usual – as far as they possibly can – in a spirit of total defiance”. – in reality, they will carry on becauae they have bills to pay. Someone of course has to pay to house and feed these aliens and their families who are replacing the British People from their ancient homeland. They will carry on in weariness, anger with the “one love” candle lighters will continue on in delusion as the liberal utopia they’ve constructed in their mind crumbles all around by something called reality.
    
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    June 5, 2017 9:03am
    - EAD
      
      apologies – pressed “POST COMMENT” to soon and for some reason EDIT function is not working.
      
      Here is the real face of Donmeh Boris Johnson – a Politician who would be quite happy to see the British People become a despised minority if it meant “a stronger eCONomy”
      
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10404421/Boris-I-am-the-only-British-politician-who-will-admit-to-being-pro-immigration.html
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:06am
    - Reid
      
      Mate I would have thought you of all people would have seen straight through this for the bullshit it is.
      
      ISIS has shown itself to be politically astute in its ME operations and its use of the interweb yet when it comes to its operations in the West it apparently has no issues doing extremely politically naive things which guarantee a less-than friendly govt will get in the upcoming elections.
      
      Manchester didn’t quite get the shift in the polls so they did it again.
      
      And this almost guarantees Corbyn won’t win.
      
      And how much better for a Wahhabi extremist (and Islam in general if they gave a shit about the rest of their fellow travellers, which they don’t) would Corbyn be than May?
      
      But no, instead, just as in France, they do things on the eves which are so counter-productive, so contrary to their own best interests. During Rammadan as well, which demonstrates they’re not real Muslims, they’re only fronting. And the response by the politicians is to wheel out all the things they hold most dear – surveiilance, police state, et al.
      
      It’s not rocket science mate, for someone like you who knows how the world works. It is for the sheeple of course, but who cares what useful idiots think. Since when have they ever been right about anything?
      
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      June 5, 2017 11:21am
      - EAD
        
        @ Reid,
        
        Sorry for late reply, hope you still read it but it’s been a hectic day (month in fact) so not finding as much time to engage on Kiwiblog/Irish Savant etc at the moment.
        
        There are so many facets at play here, it’s hard to know which angle to go at.
        
        My response above was in response to Keeping Stock praising the words of Boris Johnson.
        
        Like DPF in the next post praising Theresa May as he dissects her speech, actors like Keeping Stock and DPF want to keep the audience locked in a “left vs. right” paradigm and mistaking words for action.
        
        Utterly discrediting Politicans and the MSM is the tactic I’m pursuing in getting people over to our side.
        
        Like Kea and yourself, I try move the debate away from the simplistic “Islam is evil” when we should all be looking at the cause rather than symptoms of our civilisational existential crisis.
        
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        June 5, 2017 10:30pm
  - stephieboy
    
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    “They hope to divide our society.”
    
    “They want us to change the way we live our lives.”
    
    The Terrorists are succeeding beyond their wildest dreams if the hysteria and paranoia on KB is anything to go by.
    
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    June 5, 2017 9:12am
    - Simon
      
      12 arrests already in relation to the knife attack. These ones must be the moderates
      
      Only a handful carry out the attacks but they have significant support of wider Moslem society
      
      Remain calm and carry on being politically correct.
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:15am
      - Inandout
        
        There are 22,988 to go after those 12.
        
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        June 5, 2017 9:20am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Make some rock in the Orkneys into an internment camp for the bastards, that will slow the flood a bit for sure
        
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        June 5, 2017 9:55am
    - Nukuleka
      
      So it’s hysterical and paranoid to weep at the sight of 8 year old girls being slaughtered by an evil Muslim thug, and feel huge anger at the sight of mindlessly evil Muslim thugs stabbing innocent people at random on London Bridge?
      
      People who don’t feel overwhelming pain and anger at such Muslim atrocities are on the side of this evil, stephieboy. They are as brutal as the thugs themselves.
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:37am
      - srylands
        
        For me the telling missing response is from the UK Muslim “community”. I don’t see a savage and widespread condemnation of the attacks. I don’t see Muslims saying we will hunt down the dangerous people in our midst and turn them over for charges of conspiracy.
        
        So sure you get “condemnation” of the attacks by Muslim leaders [sic] but it is all vacuous nonsense
        
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        June 5, 2017 10:22am
      - Fletch
        
        Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it.
        It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin.
        The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth.
        It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind.
        The sinner it will always take back into the bosom of the Mystical Body;
        but his lie will never be taken into the treasury of His Wisdom.
        Real love involves real hatred:
        whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples
        has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth.
        Charity, then, is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”;
        it is not a species of sloppy sentiment.
        Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God,
        which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly.
        
        – BISHOP FULTON J. SHEEN
        
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        June 5, 2017 12:04pm
    - lilman
      
      Fuck the lot of them,I would make it compulsory that all Muslim Places of worship closed .
      All muslim Immigration stopped and any persons who break the law,dissent or practice Sharia Law be expelled .
      
      Death cult,that is all it is.
      
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      June 5, 2017 10:15am
      - srylands
        
        It is too late to deal with the problem via deportation as the main response. Too many of them are UK citizens.
        
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        June 5, 2017 10:24am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      As successful as you.
      
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      June 5, 2017 11:36am
  - kowtow
    
    Both Boris and Theresa have declared “enough is enough” , (is that the best they can do) but they will do NOTHING.
    The mass migration will continue, the Muslim enclaves grow and the attacks continue.
    
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    June 5, 2017 9:51am
    - Manolo
      
      Labour-lite UK version.
      
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      June 5, 2017 12:07pm
- jims_whare
  
  DP, the reason she isn’t out telling the public how she will deal with the muslim jihadists is because she doesn’t know what to do.
  
  The concept that the UK should be on a war footing and beginning a systematic round up and expedicious review and deportation of all jihadists hasn’t sunk in yet.
  
  Like a previous PM Chamberlain, May thinks that appeasement, containment, and submission to pc precepts will deal with the problem – it won’t.
  
  Is there a leader in the UK in the ilk of Churchill – we will fight them on the beaches and streets; we will never surrender.
  
  I doubt it but who knows the poms have been known to surprise when their backs are against the wall.
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:26am
  - marcw
    
    Boris possibly, but as it is he has to toe the company line in his present situation.
    
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    June 5, 2017 1:15pm
duggledog

Great post DiffPer

Here she is: The helpless Teresa May on the latest slaughter of innocents in the UK:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11869637

‘Enough is enough’ she reckons, oh yeah so what will you actually do TM?

There’s this great scene in Alien 2 where the crew is being butchered by aliens and Ripley takes matters into her own hands. Check it out it’s only 15 seconds long

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22OxGk58UKU

Do something Teresa. Deport, imprison, deny re-entry, etc.

Here’s what’ll actually happen. Nothing. The Brits will elect May because Corbyn is not worth thinking about. NZ has the same problem going forward.
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June 5, 2017 8:02am
oldpark

See on Facebook ,the sister of the Muslim radical terrorist,from the death cult, ISIS.has championed his cause for the murder of 22 innocents in Manchester,even celebrating his arrival in Paradise.That is the type of mentality that the west is up against.
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June 5, 2017 8:04am
Manolo

Who is right: Trump or the Muslim mayor?
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2017/0604/880235-donald-trump-london/

Mr Trump earlier questioned Mr Khan’s response to the London attack, and said it is time to “stop being politically correct” about terrorism.

However, the president’s criticism of Mr Khan for suggesting Londoners should not be “alarmed” was based on a misinterpretation of some of the mayor’s comments in the wake of the atrocity.
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June 5, 2017 8:06am
- wellygirl
  
  Oops, sorry I accidentally hit report instead of reply. DPF please ignore!!!!! So Sorry Manolo. I didn’t mean to report.
  
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  June 5, 2017 8:21am
  - Manolo
    
    Not to worry, but for a moment I thought stephieboy had reported and ticked me down twice! ?
    
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    June 5, 2017 8:26am
    - wellygirl
      
      Darn, I shouldn’t have owned up and let Stephie take the blame! ?
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:11am
    - Biscuit
      
      Having done (though not today. Yet!) exactly what wellygirl has done, I have a question or two.
      
      Is someone who is ‘reported’ given any advice of the report? Or can you see that somewhere?
      
      Similarly, I saw someone say yesterday that some other Kiwiblogger was on his ‘fourth notice’ (of an impending ban) or something. How is that communicated/made known?
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:31am
      - holysheet
        
        What would happen if every time stoooooopidboy posted his usual crap, in support of these terrorists and their cowardly actions, that we all hit the report button?
        Does someone monitor all these reports?
        What would be the result if we all did this?
        I guess DPF would be advised and be a little pissed at all the reports? Maybe then he just might do something about the little creep?
        
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        June 5, 2017 9:55am
- wellygirl
  
  Now to reply.
  
  In this instance as Trump took the comment out of context the Mayor is correct – and I am not much of a fan of Khan (though to be fair he was better than the other bloke, which isn’t saying much).
  
  The comment from the Mayor not to be alarmed was in reference to Londoners seeing more police – especially armed police – on the streets. Trump took that one bit and totally went the wrong way with it. I am guessing his reading comprehension wasn’t up to scratch.
  
  Trump is wrong on this occasion.
  
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  June 5, 2017 8:24am
  - mikenmild
    
    he was better than the other bloke
    
    That’s a pretty low bar, being better than Boris Johnson.
    
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    June 5, 2017 8:42am
    - Inandout
      
      Utter crap. Khan is a cunning fellow traveller who the self seeking voters put there to keep Islam simmering and proliferating.
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:04am
      - Paulus
        
        Khan is working to lead the UK Labour Party next along with his sycophants – he could well succeed.
        
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        June 5, 2017 1:31pm
    - wellygirl
      
      Zac Goldsmith, Boris wasn’t standing in the Mayoral elections last year.
      
      Boris was a good Mayor according to all but the blindest and most die-hard lefties.
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:09am
  - kowtow
    
    Really ? Don’t be alarmed by extra police totting firearms , why not be alarmed , it is a clear signal that something is very very wrong in Britain today.
    
    It is alarming.
    
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    June 5, 2017 9:54am
- stephieboy
  
  London terror incidents: Mayor Sadiq Khan condemns ‘deliberate and cowardly’ attack
  
  Khan, who was elected as London’s first Muslim mayor in 2016, asked all Londoners to remain calm and vigilant. “The Metropolitan Police are responding to the horrific terrorist attack at London Bridge and Borough Market.
  
  “ My thoughts are with everyone affected”“Condemning the attack on London bridge where a white van rammed into pedestrians near London Bridge, knocking over several people on Saturday, London Mayor Sadiq Khan said it was a “deliberate and cowardly attack”. “We don’t yet know the full details, but this was a deliberate and cowardly attack on innocent Londoners and visitors to our city enjoying their Saturday night,” he said. Condemning the incident in the strongest of terms, Khan also said that there was “no justification whatsoever for such barbaric acts.”
  
  http://indianexpress.com/article/world/london-bridge-terror-incidents-mayor-sadiq-khan-condemns-deliberate-and-cowardly-attack-4687990/
  
  Not sure what Mayor Khan is meant to say but the President needs to pull his head in and boycott his next visit Saudi and Gulf states as they are thought to be sources for ISIS funding .
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:21am
- Gabby
  
  It’s generally a safe bet that Chump is full of manuro.
  
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  June 5, 2017 10:14am
Longknives

Words fail me- Sadiq Khan insists Londoners have “No reason to be Alarmed..”!
Despite this once great City turning into a third world Islamic Shithole and it’s people being slaughtered on the streets by Islamic Terrorists?
I guess it’s all “Part and Parcel of Living in a Big City” eh Sadiq??
Absolutely no doubt where this smug prick’s loyalty lies…
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June 5, 2017 8:07am
- Manolo
  
  Mayor Khan is a Muslim and his loyalties are and will be with his ~~cult~~ violent religion.
  
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  June 5, 2017 8:10am
- wellygirl
  
  He said that we should not be alarmed at seeing more police on the streets.
  
  And no, being alarmed is not helpful in any situation. Be alert, be vigilant, but there is no need to be alarmed, that just leads to panic which is not good.
  
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  June 5, 2017 8:25am
- wellygirl
  
  That part and parcel quote has also been taken out of context. He was talking about the times we are living in and saying that unfortunately terrorism is part and parcel of living in a big city and the city has to be prepared, he was talking about how city councils have to look at strategies and plans to deal with terrorist attacks. It was about the city being prepared to deal with it. Last night’s attack showed London can deal with it – 8 minutes from the first 999 call to three dead terrorists. Pretty good response, and it saved countless lives.
  
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  June 5, 2017 8:29am
  - Viking2
    
    Tell that to the dead.
    Stupid to say this is the new norm.
    Fix the problem not the symptoms.
    
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    June 5, 2017 8:44am
    - Nostalgia-NZ
      
      The Brits have finally taken the step of preventing the problem of ‘fighters’ from the ME returning. May be the most decisive move yet and very timely.
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:03am
  - kowtow
    
    Funny isn’t it , there’s been yet another Muslim atrocity in a major European city and what do the great and the good , the journos and commentariat fight about ?
    
    A Trump tweet.
    
    No wonder the left are winning , while we bitch about a Trump tweet our gummints continue to bring in more of the third world horde, to the applause of the UN , the NGOs the media , the churches ………
    
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    June 5, 2017 9:58am
- eszett
  
  Here’s the full context. If you would have an inkling of intellectual honesty, you might have looked it up yourself:
  
  In his statement on Saturday night, issued as the London Bridge attack unfolded, Khan said: “Metropolitan police are responding to the horrific terrorist attack at London Bridge and Borough Market.” He added: “My thoughts are with everyone affected, and I’d like to thank the brave men and women of our emergency services who were first on the scene and will be working throughout the night.
  
  “This was a deliberate and cowardly attack on innocent Londoners and visitors to our city enjoying their Saturday night,” he said. “I condemn it in the strongest possible terms. There is no justification whatsoever for such barbaric acts.”
  
  In the television interview on Sunday morning, Khan said the UK general election, scheduled for Thursday, should go ahead as planned. He added: “There aren’t words to describe the grief and anger that our city will be facing today. I’m appalled and furious that these cowardly terrorists would deliberately target innocent Londoners.
  
  “There can be no justification for the acts of these terrorists and I am quite clear that we will never let them win.
  
  “My message to Londoners and visitors to our great city is to be calm and vigilant today. You will see an increased police presence today, including armed officers and uniformed officers. There is no reason to be alarmed by this. We are the safest global city in the world. You saw last night as a consequence of our planning, our preparation, the rehearsals that take place, the swift response from the emergency services tackling the terrorists and also helping the injured.”
  
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  June 5, 2017 8:30am
  - Nostalgia-NZ
    
    Have to be a complete f wit to misinterpret that. Sorry Donald.
    
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    June 5, 2017 8:36am
  - simpleton1
    
    “My message to Londoners and visitors to our great city is to be calm and vigilant today. You will see an increased police presence today, including armed officers and uniformed officers. There is no reason to be alarmed by this.
    
    So no problem when you see police around.
    The response time will be much swifter than 8 minutes to be on the scene of any problem. It sounds so Great and reassuring!
    
    So if you are in area where there is no police presence, then just be calm and vigilant, ah ahhh! sounds very simple.
    Police resources will be stretched elsewhere and with in a week will be tired, so leave to be granted to tired police.
    
    Khan will be in the safest area of a global city.He will never be alone with out a police presence. Response time near him would be in seconds, or even milliseconds; where seconds count.
    
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    June 5, 2017 8:47am
  - Viking2
    
    Well of course there is.
    He is announcing that the new norm for London will be that armed police will be everywhere because no longer is London a safe place to visit.
    But don’t be alarmed. If we get there in time you could be safe but if not well fuck it we don’t care much.
    There is no statement that we are going to send these types to their own graves or back whence they came nor are we going to curfew them and make life miserable for the, In fact we don’t know who they are nor do we know who is winding them up with their 72 virgins.
    
    Had a long conversation recently with a lady from Perth who works with these refugees. Clear statement that the refugees are OK but when there children grow up thy are the cause of these attacks. Happening in Aussie but like everywhere no one wants to speak it up front and won’t until a bunch of pollies get shot down and then it will just be a wail and we will keep importing the shit of the earth.
    
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    June 5, 2017 8:50am
    - artemisia
      
      Who really believes none of these parents know or suspect what their offspring are up to? Rhetorical question. Some of the Australians who went to Syria were still living at home – IIRC there were 4 young men from one family.
      
      Why aren’t the parents dobbing in their offspring?
      
      I guess they are just waiting for something bad to happen so they can say – but he was a good boy, we never had a clue, we love Australia.
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:44am
  - Inandout
    
    ‘Islam’ missing from your statement Mr Khan, ‘Jihadi’ missing from your statement. He could have been speaking of a Martian invasion, instead of his beloved fucking religion.
    
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    June 5, 2017 9:11am
  - 4077th
    
    “We are the safest global city in the world”
    
    Having just spent a week in Tokyo, the above is a false statement clearly demonstrated by the last 2 attacks.
    
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    June 5, 2017 11:01am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Did the general populace think that by electing a Muslim as Mayor of London that it would be less of a target?
    If I was Khan I would be pissed off at the attacks too, as he already has London as his own caliphate, surely and they are upsetting what is already in hand?
    
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    June 5, 2017 11:43am
- David Garrett
  
  Knives: see above…On this occasion at least, Khan has been quoted out of context
  
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  June 5, 2017 8:54am
  - simpleton1
    
    “Khan has been quoted out of context”
    
    In context of his own ‘security bubble’ with security sytems 24/7 which should allow him a good night’s sleep.
    
    It will now be a challenge for jihadi and shaheeds to prove that security is not that great.
    
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    June 5, 2017 9:08am
  - kowtow
    
    The context is yet another Muslim atrocity.
    
    Muslim , Islam , murder , mayhem.
    
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    June 5, 2017 10:00am
    - RalphT
      
      That punctuation looks familiar. Stephie is that you?
      
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      June 5, 2017 12:35pm
- cmm
  
  Sadiq Khan insists Londoners have “No reason to be Alarmed..”
  
  Well he’s right on two fronts:
  
  1) Everything is proceeding according to plan. They already have a Muslim mayor. Give them another few years and London will be a Sharia city.
  
  2) It is only those interested in traditional Britain that are really alarmed. London is already swamped in foreigners. Less than 50% of London are white British.
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:05am
- MCos
  
  Have you been to London lately to have a look for yourself?
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:46am
- Peter
  
  They have *every* reason, Sadiq
  
  Very alarmed. And very, very, very pissed off.
  
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  June 5, 2017 12:59pm
Stars And Stripes

Time those Queens Birthday Honours were changed so that they can be awarded to entities as well as individuals.
If this was done Kiwiblog would most likely win multiple awards with some obvious winners being:
1.Services to diversity and tolerance
2.Services to the Muslim community
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June 5, 2017 8:14am
DifferentPerspective

Coming to a NZ town soon – muslim grooming gangs

Hot on the heels of the Rotherham muslim grooming network, here’s another one!

Give it a few years and we’ll have this lovely diversity dividend blossoming in our society.

How many readers of KB have daughters or granddaughters – is this the future you want for them??
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June 5, 2017 8:19am
- stephieboy
  
  DP,
  
  ” Give it a few years and we’ll have this lovely diversity dividend blossoming in our society.”
  
  Well none so far and presently our 55,000 Muslims here are useful template to sort out paranoid fantasy , fiction from facts ( no go zones , menacing behaveior , grooming you children etc , etc )
  
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  June 5, 2017 10:06am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Who’s a pretty Polly then?
    
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    June 5, 2017 1:37pm
Simon

Which to learn?

Imagine there’s no heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too

Or

This step by step guide will guide you in disassembling a Glock 19 (G19) Gen 4 for cleaning purposes only. It is for people that own this gun, but can be very similar to other Glock models. You do not need any knowledge of disassembling but it is recommended. Always function test the weapon (unloaded) after reassembly. This means pull the slide back and let it go home and squeeze the trigger to make sure the hammer goes forward
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June 5, 2017 8:22am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Lol
  
  No competition, option B is the sane person’s one.
  
  Still with the NZ police administering the Act only certified card-carrying islamic terrorists will be able to get a gun licence 🙁
  
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  June 5, 2017 8:25am
- Inandout
  
  Lennon, had he lived, would have been a jihadi target because of his dismissal of a heaven. All Muslim bombers get a hard on just thinking about heaven, and those gorgeous virgins.
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:16am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , does a pagan like yourself really believe in Valhalla let alone heavan ?
    
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    June 5, 2017 10:07am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    The virgins are male goats
    
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    June 5, 2017 11:11am
artemisia

Have to wonder about some of the so-called housing experts as reported in the Herald today. Diana Clement has for the most part quoted these ‘experts’ but as a financial journalist should be calling out some of the ridiculous claims.

Angela Maynard, manager of the Tenants’ Protection Association (Auckland) …… “Here rents can go up every six months. It has got to the stage where people can’t afford to rent a house. “Where can they go? This Government is not into subsidising unless you are on the street, or almost on the street, or in a motel.”

Most tenants, even in Auckland, are of course renting. And plenty are even being subsidised by the taxpayer, through income related rents or the Accommodation Supplement. And there is seldom any background as to why some can’t pay rent – let’s hear about actual incomes including transfers, debts and household size for example.

And this paragraph appears to be from Ms Clement herself, and shows a woeful ignorance of the term ‘median’ Does she realise that using her numbers half of 3 bedroom places in Otahuhu are below the median, so under $500pw? That makes a nonsense of her alarmist calculation that someone would have to work 38 hours at minimum wage to pay the rent.

And let’s not even ask why a minimum wage household has not forked out for contraception if they don’t have secure housing. Definitely not PC to expect a spot of personal responsibility.

Median rents paid for a three-bedroom property in Auckland range from $500 in Otahuhu to $1000 in Herne Bay/St Marys Bay according to the Ministry of Business, Innovation & Employment’s Tenancy Services data. Even at $500 that’s 38 hours’ work at the post-tax minimum wage.
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June 5, 2017 8:40am
- waikatogirl
  
  Personal responsibility for your own life. LOL ?
  
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  June 5, 2017 11:21am
- marcw
  
  It would be exceptional in NZ for anyone to have to pay for contraception – it’s the taxpayer who does, not the individual.
  
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  June 5, 2017 1:27pm
G152

Make the islam populations pay for these murderous events.
Shut the mosques, deport any muslim who has been attracting attention.
Make sharia law and its courts illegal.
Arrest any protesters and hold them for a month just to make sure they get the message that its not their country and they do not have any more rights than any-one else
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June 5, 2017 8:44am
- starboard
  
  Cant do that..not PC.
  
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  June 5, 2017 10:53am
  - Kimbo
    
    How about…not just?
    
    But if you want to apply that principle, do it equitably. next time some angry white guy commits an outrage that causes death, we bulldoze your house? Oh, look, it has already happened:
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jo_Cox
    
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    June 5, 2017 2:57pm
Odakyu-sen

How about an “Islamic tax” to pay for the extra police presence? This can be levied against mosques, schools and other Islamic facilities.
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June 5, 2017 8:57am
- Viking2
  
  Who are probably avoiding paying all these costs anyway as some of their places would be exempt like so many religious places are.
  
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  June 5, 2017 8:59am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Islam is not a religion in the sense of the English word “religion.”
    
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    June 5, 2017 9:00am
    - mikenmild
      
      How so?
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:05am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        There is no separation between church and state.
        
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        June 5, 2017 9:09am
      - mikenmild
        
        And you think theocracy is unique to Islam?
        
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        June 5, 2017 9:16am
    - SGA
      
      Like mm said – huh?
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:07am
      - SGA
        
        There is no separation between church and state.
        
        What’s that got to do with it? It’s not a form of religion I endorse, but it’s been a common one historically. The Queen is, I think, still the supreme governor of the Church of England.
        
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        June 5, 2017 9:28am
      - SGA
        
        As I think about it, as the smallest country in world, the State of Vatican City, is ruled by the Pope, then, by that definition, technically Catholicism isn’t a religion either 🙂
        
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        June 5, 2017 11:02am
    - Viking2
      
      correct. Its a political system.
      Even you know that MM.
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:28am
    - Gabby
      
      Who’s the head of the Church of England?
      
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      June 5, 2017 10:24am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        You are, didn’t you know?
        
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        June 5, 2017 11:13am
      - Jack5
        
        Looked it up on Wikipedia for you, Gabby:
        
        The Archbishop of Canterbury (currently Justin Welby) is the most senior cleric, although the monarch is the supreme governor.
        
        So soon Charles – Prince Lugs – will be the top honcho for British Anglicans.
        
        In New Zealand, there is the “Anglican Church in Aotearoa, New Zealand and Polynesia,” formerly the Church of the Province of New Zealand. It covers New Zealand, Fiji, Tonga, Samoa, and the Cook Islands. That’s probably one of the reasons it can’t afford to rebuild Christchurch Cathedral.
        
        Wikipedia says:
        
        … since 1992, the church has consisted of three tikanga or cultural streams: Aotearoa, New Zealand, and Polynesia …
        
        The church has three primates (leaders), each representing a tikanga, adds Wikipedia.
        
        And they wonder why New Zealand, once predominantly Anglican, has become such a secular country.
        
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        June 5, 2017 11:49am
      - Kimbo
        
        And they wonder why New Zealand, once predominantly Anglican, has become such a secular country.
        
        Not south of the Waitaki River it wasn’t!!! The Free Presbyerian Church of Scotland should have driven all the Sassenachs out, rather than allowing them to build their cathedral (the “seat/throne” of a bishop?! A Popish office and monument!) in the Octagon! 😉
        
        Oh, yes, Archbishop Reeves was the one who pushed for the three tikanga in the NZ Anglican Church, and considered it a good model for NZ secular governance. Did I mention before he is, IMHO, and by the length of the straight our worst Governor-General?
        
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        June 5, 2017 3:02pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Probably run the mosques etc as a charity so good luck getting them to pay
    
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    June 5, 2017 11:23am
- SGA
  
  Like the “Irish Catholic” tax that they had during the “troubles”?
  Odakyu-sen, sorry but if I was trying to recruit people for terrorist causes, I’d be cheering the sort of suggestions you make.
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:06am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    SGA,
    Are you saying such a tax might make Muslims angry enough to want to hurt members of the general population?
    
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    June 5, 2017 9:12am
    - SGA
      
      // aside – you think that singling out groups for special taxes on the basis of their religion alone (let’s say Islam is a religion, for the sake of argument) wouldn’t be helpful for people trying recruit budding terrorists? If I was a terrorist recruiter, I’d love it.
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:27am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        It’s not the groups; it’s the institutions that manage their religion.
        
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        June 5, 2017 9:51am
      - SGA
        
        That’s what I meant by groups – mosques, schools and other Islamic facilities.
        To return to my question – Do you think that singling out groups for special taxes on the basis of their religion alone wouldn’t be helpful for people trying recruit budding terrorists?
        
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        June 5, 2017 9:58am
      - kowtow
        
        SGA
        
        Recruiting doesn’t seem to be a problem for them at the moment. They don’t need an excuse to murder infidels , it’s commanded in their “holy” book.
        
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        June 5, 2017 10:04am
      - SGA
        
        Making it any easier seems silly, kowtow. Seriously, does history tell us that “cracking down” on the majority of a group who aren’t causing problems lead to a decrease in the minority that are? Would cracking down harder on NIreland Catholics have weakened the IRA? Does cracking down on the general population weaken resistance groups?
        I’m trying to be practical here.
        
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        June 5, 2017 10:10am
      - Jack5
        
        SGA, was there a tax on “Irish Catholics” during the Troubles?
        
        That statement aroused my interest, but I haven’t been able to find anything about it.
        
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        June 5, 2017 11:33am
      - SGA
        
        Sorry, no there wasn’t – I was being sarcastic and alluding to last time the UK had terrorism at home. Such a tax, I imagine, would have made matters worse not better.
        I hope I didn’t waste too much of your time on a wild goose chase (I should have been clearer).
        
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        June 5, 2017 11:48am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Jack5 –
        
        There were in the days of severe fines for Recusancy in the reigns of Elizabeth I and the early Stuarts. And in response/within that context, I seem to recall no end of Jesuit-assisted plots and attempted acts of what we would now call terrorism by English Catholics – the Babington Plot. And Guy Fawkes and the Gunpowder Plot is still remembered to this day…
        
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        June 5, 2017 3:09pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Note that such a tax would be levied against incorporated bodies.
    
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    June 5, 2017 9:16am
    - Kimbo
      
      ….which are a collective form of governance of…people.
      
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      June 5, 2017 3:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  Odakyu sen , a bit of paranoid desperation there.
  
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  June 5, 2017 10:09am
Viking2

So all the noise about meth contamination is just that. apparently bank notes are often contaminated at a level greater than the walls inside a house but no one suggests cleaning bank notes (nor cards).

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11869509

But nanny state is going to set some rules which will be weak as piss and wrong. Just to appease well Real Estate companies and whingers generally. No science nor logic, but that’s the Govt.

Pleased Key is no longer there as we won’t have to “it feels about” right bullshit.
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June 5, 2017 8:57am
- Gruffydd
  
  Dr Nick Kim, a senior lecturer at Massey’s School of Public Health, is another who believes we have, in many instances, been over-playing the dangers of meth contamination.
  ……
  “Guidelines include many safety factors. Both the older and newer guideline values correspond to regions where there is no measurable health risk.
  
  “At a toxicological level they are effectively indistinguishable from each other, because both are hundreds of times lower than the point where we would expect to be able to measure the lowest pharmacological effect.”
  
  Unless you are going to lick the walls of the entire house the level of contamination will do you no detectable harm.
  People have been suckered into paying tens of thousands of dollars to clean up harmless levels of residual.
  The company’s behind this scam should be excluded from the testing and clean up industry’s.
  
  The acceptable level of contaminant should be based on science and rational evaluation of risk not fear a knee jerk overreaction and the profits of those selling both testing and clean up.
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:20am
- Happychappy
  
  With out criticizing what has been stated why is it said that children are inclined to suffer sickness in homes that have been found to have been contaminated.
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:26am
  - Viking2
    
    Many factors including things like smoking, temperature, food, (yep food, years ago we tried removing from our food asio based food colouring’s and some other ingredients used like sodium benzate.( Benzate was used in tomato sauce which is why everyone loved Watties tomato sauce.) All these cause children but sometimes also adults to become hyper active and unreasonable. (has to do with body weight and level of consumption. They are also very addicitive). Progress was good until we opened the borders to food products from oversea’s and all these came back into the food chain. Hence we now have Ritalin dosed kids etc.
    Comes down to doing basic cooking properly. Many of these people have no idea what to feed their kids other than cheezles, chippies and crap full of sugars, high energy drinks (which are bloody diabolical for hyping people up), and neither do they know how to cook good food. (sometimes just too lazy.)
    In Tauranga a Maori group here is taking families under their wing and teaching them to cook properly instead of buying rubbish food from the supermarket. Great results, better kids with less behavoir issues.
    
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    June 5, 2017 9:41am
    - srylands
      
      I agree with your sentiment. Stopping folk eating rubbish food is a noble objective. However please do not perpetuate the myth that sugar and food additives make kids “hyper”. There is no evidence for such a claim and it defies biology. Excess sugar is converted to fat. Not odd behavior.
      
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      June 5, 2017 11:53am
      - Viking2
        
        Plenty of evidence that food additives do make kids hyper. Seen it with my own kids. Changed the additives and no more issues.
        Excess sugar creates insulin problems and contributes to the end result.
        
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        June 5, 2017 5:10pm
      - srylands
        
        “Plenty of evidence that food additives do make kids hyper”
        
        Can you cite any peer reviewed research that supports this? Because I am not aware of any. And I have looked hard.
        
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        June 5, 2017 8:16pm
  - artemisia
    
    Why is it said that meth contamination causes sickness in children?
    
    Easy.
    
    Someone else’s fault.
    
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    June 5, 2017 1:14pm
Southern Raider

8 UK Police fire 50 bullets into three suspects.

Obviously a complete over reaction and misuse of disproportionate power
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June 5, 2017 9:13am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I understand that at least one of said 50 bullets found the brain tissue of a bystander…
  (Is this correct? The Herald hasn’t mentioned it.)
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:14am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  A job well done, the MP7s that the armed cops carry will normally have a 20-30 round magazine.
  Once again indicative of their professionalism in a stressful combat situation.
  How many rounds do you believe ( in your professional opinion) should have been fired at terrorists wearing suicide vests? Even tho` we now know (after the fact) said vests were fake.
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:50am
- kowtow
  
  Nope. They killed potential bombers .They should get a medal.
  What they will get is the full force of a coroners enquiry, the scrutiny of the media and Muslim huggers.
  
  Three down , how many more to go?
  
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  June 5, 2017 10:07am
  - sooty
    
    Should empty the entire mag into each one.
    
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    June 5, 2017 2:07pm
Southern Raider

Anyone still questioning Israel building a wall and their response to Hamas rocket attacks and other terrorist events?
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June 5, 2017 9:14am
mikenmild

Nice quote from John Kerry:

“When Donald Trump says, well, we’re going to negotiate a better deal, you know, he’s going to go out and find a better deal? That’s like O.J. Simpson saying he’s going to go out and find the real killer”
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June 5, 2017 9:22am
- Inandout
  
  John Kerry is a complete incompetent and you may as well quote Mickey Mouse. He was so weak the Arabs couldn’t believe their luck.
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:43am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , but it didn’t stop your God Trump and his missus visiting Saudi etc and be fetted by their Royalty .
    
    LOL
    
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    June 5, 2017 10:15am
- Viking2
  
  John of revelance who?
  
  Another rich Democrat.
  
  Who cared shit about the American working man and the tax he was robbed of while his outfits minimized their taxes.
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:45am
  - stephieboy
    
    Viking 2 , but not of course Exxon’s Rex Tillerson ?
    
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    June 5, 2017 10:16am
lastmanstanding

Neville Chamberlain May choked on the words that dare not speak their name Islamists Jihadists. I bet she was forced to say them not by choice.
If the 23000 were Christian jihadists they and their extended families would have been rounded up after the first attack and sent to the Gulag on the Outter Hebrides.
And stephieboy some people might say you should be careful your identity and location doesnt become known but of course I couldnt possibly comment.
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June 5, 2017 9:23am
Jack5

The NZ print media’s parallel attacks on Trump over London terrorism tweets are still further evidence that the Commerce Commision was correct in blocking a merger of Hooerald owner NZME and Stuff owner Fairfucked NZ.

Both the main news web sites of these players today feature Washington Post pieces attacking Trump. Parallel, from the same source.

The Washington Post, owned by Amazon mogul Bezos, is the chief attack dog on Trump in America.

The best hope for balance in the mainstream media of NZ would be for a right-wing owner to take over either NZME or Fairfucked NZ.
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June 5, 2017 9:24am
- Jack5
  
  The need for a Right wing news source for balance is doubly important given the Leftism of TVNZ and the still-further-Leftism of Radio NZ’s Labour Programme.
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:28am
  - srylands
    
    I am still gobsmacked that RNZ got a funding boost in the budget.
    
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    June 5, 2017 12:02pm
    - Jack5
      
      I think the funds boost was related to Radio NZ’s deal with the Maori radio network of about 19 stations. This was negotiated by Willie Jackson, now Labour’s Maori strategist.
      
      Radio NZ agreed to work closely with the Maori network and to increase its use of Maori language, and maybe programming.
      
      As I see it the likely quid pro quo for Radio NZ was the Maori 2 per cent Party using its coalition leverage to squeeze more funds out of the Government for Radio NZ.
      
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      June 5, 2017 12:29pm
- mikenmild
  
  I agree. The President should be free to tweet misleading and insulting statement without being criticised for it by the media.
  #SwampTheDrain
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:29am
  - Jack5
    
    Focus, focus, Milky, you Old Troll. Try to hit 30,000 comments with a modicum of impartiality.
    
    We’re talking about one-sided news coverage, and the American commentaries happen to be about Trump, but they could have been twins on any Left-Right topic .
    
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    June 5, 2017 9:43am
    - Jack5
      
      Yep, I know, Milky: the Washington Post sees itself, as you do, as a bulwark against the Rightists of the web outlets.
      
      https://spectator.org/the-hyperpartisan-washington-post/
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:49am
    - Gruffydd
      
      Yip if I was to go over to the standard I would see exactly the same view from the left wing perspective.
      
      Its 2017.
      Get with this century Jack5 .
      You can google news and get the content of media from around the world.
      
      If you are not open to a variety of views stick to echo chambers like Breitbart or The Daily Fail.
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:56am
      - Jack5
        
        Morning, Griff/Gruffydd. Bloody cold down this way again today. Blood Global Warming.
        
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        June 5, 2017 9:58am
    - stephieboy
      
      Jack5 , nothing stopping you approaching Alex Jones and PJW and setting up a live streaming branch of Infowars co hosted by All on Red , cmm etc and you ?.
      
      LOL
      
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      June 5, 2017 10:13am
      - Manolo
        
        Easy on the bile, stephieboy.
        
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        June 5, 2017 12:11pm
    - Peter
      
      The media are playing straight into Trumps hands by doing so.
      
      All publicity is good publicity when you have a divide and conquer strategy, as Trump does. The more incensed the left becomes, the more Trump voters enjoy the show.
      
      And lock in their vote.
      
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      June 5, 2017 1:54pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    mikemild,
    
    Keep up the one-liners.
    You are getting close to the magical “30,000” comments.
    I understand that Kiwiblog Administration will post you out a Silver Raspberry if you make 50,000 comments.
    
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    June 5, 2017 9:47am
    - stephieboy
      
      Odakyu sen , tsk,tsk,tsk
      
      mm getting up your goat ?
      
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      June 5, 2017 10:18am
      - pentwig
        
        are you steffie riding yours?
        dont tire yourself it is Ramadhan you know
        
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        June 5, 2017 7:53pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Three creepy stalkers stephieboy.
        
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        June 5, 2017 8:30pm
- Paulus
  
  NZME and Fairfax are subsidiaries of both the Washington Post and the New York Times – I assume that by parroting them they will put money into saving both.
  Both will fail sooner rather than later – Fairfax not too far away as the Aussie Parent gets bought and breaks out the incompetent parts – like NZ.
  
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  June 5, 2017 1:43pm
  - Viking2
    
    Might be good if Fairfax came back to NZ onto the stock exchange.
    
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    June 5, 2017 5:14pm
lastmanstanding

Memo to Bill. You and you mates better be watching and learning because if the ragheads launch an attack in NZ you and your mates will have no excuse no where to hide. You have been warned repeatedly to take action to ensure no ragheads get into NZ and the ragheads that are here are kept under control.

Blow it by friend and all the shit in the world will descend on you and your mates.
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June 5, 2017 9:31am
- Southern Raider
  
  Wishful thinking
  
  NZ only last week abstained on a Syrian resolution demanding that Israel be called to account for the health impacts on Muslim women in the Middle East
  
  What the fuck is our foreign affairs on
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:42am
  - Viking2
    
    Run by Muslims these days.
    Thanks Mc Cully
    
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    June 5, 2017 9:47am
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND … HOW PREPARED ARE WE FOR HOUSING MARKET CORRECTIONS ?

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/06/links-5-june-2017/#comment-2882477

How prepared are we for housing market corrections ? … Hugh Pavletich comment … Kiwiblog … with others …

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/general_debate_4_june_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1943479

What’s getting underway now is a ‘buyers strike’ with financial institutions removing the excess high octane fuel … starting with Auckland, Sydney, Melbourne … then the rest of them.

Note that the average median multiples for the Irish metros when it burst there in 2007 was 4.7. It collapsed to 2.8 … putting all the Irish Banks to the wall and requiring a bailout of at least 70 billion euro.

It’s still ‘mortgage mayhem’ there due to the draconian Irish debtor laws I understand.

Subsequent research by the Central Bank of Ireland found it was high income multiple lending rather than high loan to value lending that put the Banks to the wall … and a general mortgage cap of 3.5 times annual household earnings was imposed. The Bank of England had earlier generally capped at 4.5 times.

Australia’s housing is currently 5.5 average median multiple overall … New Zealand 5.9. … read more via hyperlink above …

… Auckland housing bubble bursts …

The number of homes available for sale in Auckland up 51% on last year. Stock also up in Waikato, Bay of Plenty, Wellington and Canterbury | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88080/number-homes-available-sale-auckland-51-last-year-stock-also-waikato-bay-plenty

Lower house prices and static mortgage rates improved housing affordability substantially in many parts of the country in April … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/87977/lower-house-prices-and-static-mortgage-rates-improved-housing-affordability
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June 5, 2017 9:36am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Offshore funders freaked by bubble … MacroBusiness Australia (behind paywall) …
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/06/offshore-funders-freaked-bubble/
  
  ANZ has some good news for us. The offshore lenders that enable the housing bubble are getting nervous:
  
  London-based investors in Australia’s banks are fretting about the risk that several small and seemingly well-intentioned changes in housing market policies combine to create a sharp property market correction.
  
  ANZ Banking Group chief executive Shayne Elliott, who has just returned from a week in London, said investors there are also worried that high levels of household debt have lifted housing market risk and that the government might seek to raise revenue from other sectors following the budget’s surprise bank tax.
  
  The Australian banks rely on foreign investors to fund the $400 billion gap between domestic deposits and overall lending to the economy. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:37am
  - Happychappy
    
    Hugh:
    I am still waiting for your response from the Loyd Burr column where he says Andrew Little and Labour will have to swallow a dead rat to implement their Housing Build 100,000 plan over ten years.
    
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    June 5, 2017 9:48am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Happychappy … I don’t know Lloyd Burr from a bar of soap … but hey … Labour is simply doing what polling is telling them to do. Why are you surprised ? …
      
      The NZ homeowners who hate high house prices are revealed in Labour polling | Stuff.co.nz
      
      http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/90244287/the-nz-homeowners-who-hate-high-house-prices-are-revealed-in-labour-polling
      
      The question you should be asking is … why the hell have the Tired Tories failed to do what needed to be done out of the 2008 election. Remember the social climber Key back in 2007 ? …
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
      
      … and why hasn’t the blundering incompetent Nick Smith got a GRAND COALITION in place on these issues from mid last year ? … read NEW ZEALAND’S HOUSING CONSENSUS: WHERE IS THE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP ? …
      
      http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/auckland-worlds-fourth-hardest-to-buy.html
      
      Isnt 9 years enough of these losers ?
      
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      June 5, 2017 10:09am
      - Happychappy
        
        Hugh:
        That just shows that you blatantly don’t care for other people producing Facts and only think that the misleading data that you produce is what the public want to hear.
        
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        June 5, 2017 10:21am
      - starboard
        
        What crap Hugh. People who have skin in the game only want their house prices to go up. You, and the rest of your followers are loons if you think otherwise. Nobody wants to see a decrease in the value of their property.
        
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        June 5, 2017 11:01am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Happychappy … how about providing us with a link to the Burr article. Thank you.
        
        Starboard … You are way off there. Please read the March Fairfax article linked above.
        
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        June 5, 2017 11:12am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        From David Chaston at Interest Co NZ this morning …
        
        Property transfers and tax residency data | Land Information New Zealand (LINZ)
        
        http://www.linz.govt.nz/land/land-registration/prepare-and-submit-your-dealing/property-tax-compliance-requirements/property-transfers-and-tax-residency-data
        
        … via …
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/news/88097/us-jobs-growth-sags-trade-deficit-widens-global-airfreight-growth-strong-china-debt
        
        … extract from above …
        
        … And in case you missed it, LINZ has published updated details of tax residency for the 41,919 property transfers registered with them from January to March 2017. 3% were not New Zealand tax residents. In Auckland it was 5%. They are now also collecting ‘affiliation’ stats. That shows that 82% were NZ citizens or residents, 16% were corporates or businesses, and 2% were foreigners. In Auckland, the foreign buyer proportion was 4%. It is unlikely any of this extended data will satisfy those who had already arrived at conclusions without the annoying need for any data at all. Blaming foreigners for our own ills is not unique to some Kiwis. It is pervasive in Australia too …
        
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        June 5, 2017 11:41am
      - Happychappy
        
        Hugh:
        TV Three Loyd Burr “Labours Kiwi House Immigration Pickle .”
        
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        June 5, 2017 11:52am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Happychapy … here is a link to the Burr article you mention …
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/06/lloyd-burr-labour-s-kiwibuild-immigration-pickle.html
        
        The Burr analysis above is extremely rudimentary … failing to factor in that our residential production industry has been decimated, that has reverted back to an inefficient cottage building industry with marketeers.
        
        There is truly enormous scope to restore a production industry (Levitt style) with huge lifts in productivity and much better pricing.
        
        As a former developer myself, I just cant believe how the productivity / pricing has been degraded over recent decades. Standard houses use to be completed inside 3 months here. I was told recently by a senior QS its about 8 weeks now in Australia. Its likely much the same or even less in places such as Texas.
        
        We really need to know the productivity / pricing levels of places such as Teas … note this from early 2013 …
        
        http://andrewatkin.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/the-real-deal-housing-in-new-zealand.html
        
        It is the 7oth Anniversary of Levittown this year as well …
        
        HAPPY 70th BIRTHDAY LEVITTOWN … 1947 MODERN SUBURBIA IS BORN …
        … Re-learning important recent history … the hard and costly way …
        
        … Housing should not cost more than 3.0 times annual household incomes with sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times … thanks to entrepreneurs Bill and Alfred Levitt …
        
        … Do today’s young deserve hope too ? …
        
        Levittown history in photos | Newsday
        … google search title if blocked …
        
        http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/levittown-history-in-photos-1.13458781#1
        
        In 1947, William Levitt of Levitt & Sons began building mass-produced, affordable housing for veterans returning from WWII. Island Trees, or Levittown as it later became known, is widely recognized as the first modern American suburb. Families started moving into the new homes on Oct. 1, 1947.
        
        The area that would become Levittown was formerly a series of potato fields on the Hempstead Plains that were affected by the Golden Nematode, an insect from Europe that destroyed much of the crops at the time. Levitt bought the land for a reduced price and eventually built more than 17,700 homes on the land by utilizing elements borrowed from Henry Ford’s assembly line process. The homes, which sold for just $7,990, included appliances and an expandable attic.
        
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        June 5, 2017 12:45pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        We should have had detailed breakouts of the pricing in normal North American markets … as identified by the Annual Demographia Housing Affordability Surveys long before now …
        
        http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
        
        You will note within the Introductory Section of this yearts Survey above, that NZ Prime Minister Bil English contributed the Introduction to the 2013 9th Annual Survey …
        
        http://www.demographia.com/dhi2013.pdf
        
        … soon after the major Government announcement on Housing Affordability October 2012 … where the focus was to be on –
        
        • Land supply
        • Infrastructure financing
        • Process … and …
        • Construction costs
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuCchEb-XOk&t=1s
        
        Here is some new home pricing from Houston …
        
        https://www.newhomesource.com/communityresults/market-279#refer=gppc200&gclid=CIvdzdbUpdQCFcgDKgodGCcDow
        
        Lets just say in the most charitable terms … the Tired Tories couldn’t run a bath.
        
        Sadly … their performance on these issues over the past decade has been a disgrace.
        
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        June 5, 2017 2:35pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        UBS: Sydney FHB deposit takes 40 years to save – MacroBusiness
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/06/ubs-sydney-fhb-deposit-takes-40-years-save/
        
        UBS takes smashed avocado to the woodshed today:
        
        Are first home buyers locked out of housing? UBS already ‘called the top’ of housing, with a key reason being that housing affordability is extremely stretched, as the house price-income ratio surged to a record 6.5x now, up sharply from 4.5x in 2012 (and more than doubling from 3x in 1996, Figure 2). That said, in the current cycle, only Sydney and Melbourne really lifted (both towards 8x, up from 5-6x previously), whereas the rest of Australia has been broadly flat and also well below prior record highs (Figure 3). … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        June 5, 2017 3:53pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        “They’re Going To Have All Sorts Of Issues” – Citi Urges Regulators To Address Australia’s “Spectacular Housing Bubble … Zerohedge
        
        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-02/citigroup-chief-economist-says-regulators-need-address-australias-spectacular-housin
        
        Citigroup Chief Economist Willem Buiter says Australia is experiencing “a spectacular housing bubble” that needs to be addressed with tougher regulatory measures – something we’ve noted time and time again.
        
        A shortage of housing, coupled with record-low interest rates, has made Sydney the world’s most second-most expensive property market. The city’s home prices jumped 16% in the 12 months through April, stoking record household debt and putting home ownership out of the reach of many. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        June 5, 2017 4:53pm
  - Viking2
    
    That shows that 82% were NZ citizens or residents, 16% were corporates or businesses,
    
    Had you been watching you would know that some of that information s not strictly correct but reflects information collected rather than good source data.
    
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    June 5, 2017 5:20pm
- Viking2
  
  Apparently you ignore the fact that older properties will inevitably rise up towards the cost of replacement.( no better expert than Mr Robert Jones told us this many years ago, looks like you weren’t listening.).
  
  Older properties generally are closer to the centre of attraction, namely the CBD and various schools. People want to live close so will pay more to do so.
  
  The cost of replacement is determined mostly by Govt. regulation i.e. building regs., RMA,. and all the things you have railed about forever.
  
  Is or will anything change in Govt./ council regulations?
  If so when would expect that to be?
  
  Do you anticipate anytime soon the cost to build a house to drop dramatically?
  If you you do can you tell us when so we can save for a new one at a cheaper price and of the same quality standard. One that will withstand wind, rain,earthquakes, weather extremes and will be close to said schools and CBD’s.
  
  Even License to Occupy in Retirement Villages houses, bulk built with amenities cost as much of sometimes more than a stand alone house. They can’t build enough of the currently.
  
  So if it all crashes owners will all be bankrupt, banks will be bankrupt. Is that what you think is desirable when comparing other countries to NZ?
  
  Both Ireland and America had different scenarios that caused a house market crash as did a few European countries but you never talk about them.
  
  The idea that wages are any determinate of house values is patently rubbish.
  Lack of wages is a bigger threat as we have seen in our last several downturns. Lack of wages and lack of jobs.
  Put some effort into creating more export and import substitution and to improving our productivity per capita and we will have no problem at all. Its those two that will determine the fate of the housing market.
  
  Recommend you spend a few days reading up with Micheal Riddel. Statistics based information.
  https://croakingcassandra.com/about/
  
  Enjoy the reading.
  
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  June 5, 2017 10:04am
Happychappy

Jack5 : With out being smart and not trying to take the mickey I have been waiting for your view on the ex Mayor that lost his wallet and when it was found and handed to Police who returned it to him he found his Fathers car License had been removed. After inquiring to the police about this and advising police that it was from his deceased father the police advised that they removed it and destroyed it. Now this person wants to charge the Police with Theft.
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June 5, 2017 9:40am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Happychappy,
  
  You may find that drivers licences are the legal property of the State. If so, the police are within their rights (as agents of the State).
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:44am
  - Happychappy
    
    I agree and if you did want to keep it surely a wallet would not be the right place.
    
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    June 5, 2017 9:51am
    - Jack5
      
      To me it’s likely the man was a vintage and veteran car enthusiast.
      
      He was keeping the deceased’s licence because he thought it might be appropriate to carry when he took the fellow club member’s Rolls Silver Ghost for a spin.
      
      The man may also have been a Spiritualist who had promised his Dad to renew the licence.
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:57am
- Longknives
  
  Maybe I’m too cynical but it seemed strange to me that this Guy was so desperate to keep a Driver’s Licence that wasn’t his..
  
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  June 5, 2017 6:17pm
tvb

The so called housing crisis is not a crisis for those who own homes. It has enabled many people to downsize and pay off debt or look at alternative lifestyle options. It has always been difficult to get into a home. Saving for a deposit has been the biggest challenge, but with financial discipline it can be done and has been done.
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June 5, 2017 9:42am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The boom in housing prices has been a boon for the elderly. Think of all those asset-rich old ladies in Ellerslie (and other parts of the Auckland), living in houses their husbands bought in the 1960s for a few years’ wages, but now worth $1.4 million.
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:56am
  - KevOB
    
    Do you want to have the income of a pensioner and the rates of an Ellerslie resident?
    
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    June 5, 2017 1:05pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I’d like to be able to sell up and move to a nicer place to live.
      
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      June 5, 2017 2:27pm
      - Viking2
        
        Rhyman and its cohorts can’t build villages fast enough. Just can’t get a decent size bit of land near there.
        
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        June 5, 2017 5:22pm
dime

Starting to think stuff and the herald don’t like trump lmao

After a brutal attack, there top stories are about trumps tweets.

Sad
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June 5, 2017 9:48am
RF

Congratulations to those who have been honoured with an award. I am sure many are deserving including the one for wood chopping.

Time I had a cup of tea and a lie down. Maybe I will be lucky next time.
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June 5, 2017 9:51am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  About as lucky and deserving as me I suspect: good luck with that, let us know how you get on.
  
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  June 5, 2017 10:16am
- Paulus
  
  But what the hell has Jim Anderton done to get an Award ?
  Is he an Honorary Maori, or something against the Anglican Church in Christchurch
  
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  June 5, 2017 1:47pm
Biscuit

Very disappointing to see today’s Queen’s Birthday Honours List and the continued, inexplicable non-recognising of such EMINENT souls as:

Penny Bright. Suggested honour: ‘The Sue Moroney Award’. Presented to people who keep putting themselves up for elected office even though their personal voting statistics suggest 99% of the electorate wish they’d DESIST.

Kim Dotcrim: ‘For Services to Reminding Decently-Dressed Folk That Onesey Outfits Are Definitely NOT The Way To Go.’

Metiria Turei: ‘For Services to – Chortle – Fashion’

Andrew Little: ‘For Services to Reminding Everyone Just Why We All Rushed To Leave The Union When First Given The Opportunity to Do So’

David Farrar. Suggested honour: ‘For Services to Taking It Like A Champ. For demonstrating the ability to maintain the characteristics of a person who remains moderately sane, despite all invitations to descend into total raging and drolling insanity and not, instead, waking up to another day of General Debate bile and thinking ‘Why DID I bother?’

My Humble Self. Suggested Honour: ‘Bestest Kiss Butt Artist Ever’. How’s it going, DPF? GREAT blog, mate. Want a chocolate? We MUST do coffee one day.
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June 5, 2017 10:08am
- mikenmild
  
  You forget Colin Craig, for services to poetry, Paula Bennett, for services to the leopard-skin print industry, Winston Peters, for services to the pinstripe industry, Peter Dunne, for services to the bow-tie industry, Gareth Morgan, for services to himself, and David Seymour, for services to the cock.
  
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  June 5, 2017 10:21am
  - holysheet
    
    Don’t forget thy good self MM. With 29,783 comments here on KB, you deserve the gong for services to blogging even if most of those have been on the taxpayers dime.
    
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    June 5, 2017 10:27am
  - Gruffydd
    
    Whinny could get one for supporting the alcohol industry.
    NZ has a proud record of bestowing knighthoods on drug pushing piss peddlers.
    
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    June 5, 2017 10:34am
    - mikenmild
      
      Ernest Davis
      Arthur Myers, Ken Myers, Doug Myers
      Yes, quite a few have been knighted for keeping Kiwis on the piss.
      
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      June 5, 2017 10:54am
      - holysheet
        
        At least Peter Davis ~~didn’t~~ couldn’t get one for services to Helen.
        
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        June 5, 2017 11:00am
      - stigie
        
        Think she had to get someone to service him..?
        
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        June 5, 2017 11:03am
      - holysheet
        
        Nah he was out looking for his own love in the LA toilets
        
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        June 5, 2017 11:05am
      - Happychappy
        
        Of course MM what you are saying they did not do any thing else for NZ to warrant their Title.
        
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        June 5, 2017 11:59am
    - Jack5
      
      When the turn comes for a legal marijuana industry to be recognised, there should be a gong there for you, Griff/Gruffydd.
      
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      June 5, 2017 11:26am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    You get an uptick for that Mike
    
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    June 5, 2017 11:22am
Biscuit

Ah, good stuff, mikenmild, holysheet and Gruffydd!

Humour, me LIKES…

I was tempted to add a few more regular Kiwibloggers in my spoofing, heh heh, but I am UNconvinced at the ability/willingness of the likes of WoA, stevieboy and Hugh P to take a bit of gentle ribbing so I refrained!
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June 5, 2017 10:47am
- holysheet
  
  Stooooopidboy for services to cess pool cleaners!
  
  The village idiot for services to climate change deniers helping prove them right time after time.
  
  Hugh P for services to the less fortunate of us in highlighting just how lucky and superior home owners really are.
  
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  June 5, 2017 10:54am
  - Gruffydd
    
    Yip
    You whacks disprove the opinion of every major scientific body on the planet with your logically unsound dribbling on here.
    Give your self’s a pat on the back .
    Smegwits ..,…
    
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    June 5, 2017 5:20pm
Stars And Stripes

Must say Mission Bay is a nice change from yesterday’s foray into Mt Roskill.
Good to see dignity is still present in parts of this city.
Not a Muslim in sight and English widely spoken.
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June 5, 2017 10:50am
- Longknives
  
  What the heck were you doing in Mt Roskill/Little Mogadishu?
  
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  June 5, 2017 11:42am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Purely a fact finding mission Longknives to see if I could find a white person.
    No luck on that front.
    
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    June 5, 2017 12:23pm
cha

Today is the 50th anniversary of the start of the Six Day War, and here we are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
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June 5, 2017 10:56am
big bruv

FFS we are a nation of desperately insecure bed wetters. Imagine trying to make something like a benefit concert for the victims of terror all about New Zealand.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/93341333/ariana-grande-miley-cyrus-cover-crowded-house-in-manchester
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June 5, 2017 11:09am
- Longknives
  
  Saw that Bruv- Headline screaming something like ‘Watch the BEST song of the show’..
  I think Stuff may have missed the point somewhat.
  This has nothing to do with New Zealand.
  Besides- Crowded House were two Australians and a New Zealander. Finn himself said he considered them an ‘Aussie Band’…
  
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  June 5, 2017 11:41am
- Peter
  
  Should have covered Search & Destroy by the Stooges….
  
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  June 5, 2017 1:27pm
Jack5

Australian greyhound racing industry exposed for selling dogs to a cruel fate in Macau.

I wonder if the NZ greyhound industry is up to the same thing. Given the goings on with McCully and sheep exports, it would be hard to know.

Lets hope the animal rights mob check.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/inside-the-greyhound-export-racket-ringleaders-found-guilty-of-464-charges-20170602-gwiy5s.html
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June 5, 2017 11:24am
- holysheet
  
  Ask the drunken dwarf. If anyone would know about the nefarious goings on in the NZ racing industry, it would be him. Has he paid back to the taxpayer the missing $157,000 yet?
  
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  June 5, 2017 11:28am
Steve (North Shore)

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June 5, 2017 11:26am
- Inandout
  
  Run Blighty, run.
  
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  June 5, 2017 11:50am
Rachael Membery

One of the London victims is a Kiwi I believe. Stabbed three times and in an induced coma?
Can we take it personally now Bill?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/93335859
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June 5, 2017 12:11pm
Jack5

Big things happening in the water industry and water rights …

First, Nick Smith has extended protection to the beautiful clear-water springs in Golden Bay (link below).

Second, on the wild West Coast, where engineering contracts have gone to a company apparently linked to an Auckland cake kitchen, there has been another development.

The Christchurch Press has reported that Blair Colligan, of Buller, who for the cost of a consent (renewal $63 a year) has obtained permission to take 1.3 billion litres of water a year for the next 25 years. Interestingly, Colligan, a former dairy farmer, recently finished a prison sentence after a huge drug bust on the Coast. Colligan’s company, and a parnter, Gillian Bearman, will bottle the water and, according to the Press create 50 jobs.

The permit is tied to a site beside the Waimangaroa River, at the base of the Denniston Plateau.

Golden Bay springs:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11869866

Big Coast permit:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/93006449/another-water-bottling-plant-in-the-works-deep-in-west-coast-coal-country
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June 5, 2017 12:24pm
- Reid
  
  Corruption anyone? Good spotting Jack.
  
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  June 5, 2017 12:27pm
  - stigie
    
    Where’s Penny, she would be tits deep into this..?
    
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    June 5, 2017 12:45pm
    - sooty
      
      Cheap water Penny. You could bath to your hearts content there, without waiting for the bath to fill.
      
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      June 5, 2017 2:16pm
- Jack5
  
  I see NZ’s water problems have made it into Bloomberg:
  
  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-01/middle-earth-desert-becomes-battlefield-again-in-row-over-water
  
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  June 5, 2017 2:27pm
Fletch

For those interested, there is a remake of Dirty Dancing playing on TV2 right at the moment. It’s part of a series that NBC has been doing remaking musicals for TV. It’s bad. Really bad. Not only is there no chemistry between the leads, the lead female is kind of chubby (I suppose in the interest of positive body image and everything else PC). Not that there is anything wrong with that generally, but it just doesn’t work. Way to ruin a good movie.
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June 5, 2017 1:03pm
Jack5

You won’t read this in our MSM, but Roger Bootle, in the Telegraph reckons Trump is right about German trade policy being “bad”. Bootle is an economist, author, and is active in business.

Bootle notes that Germans save a lot, and make some great products for export, but …

Over and above these factors, it arises from the interaction between tight German fiscal policy and the gains to competitiveness that have occurred to Germany as a result of being part of the single currency.

“It” being the German trade surplus.
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June 5, 2017 2:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Merkel is under attack from some of her own party who consider Germany’s climate and energy policies to be disastrous.
  http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/konservative-cdu-klimawandel-101.html
  
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  June 5, 2017 4:38pm
DifferentPerspective

Blood on their hands

Great video of CNN recording “spontaneous” muslim sympathy.

These assholes are the problem – how can you ever believe anything on CNN ever again?
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June 5, 2017 3:40pm
- simpleton1
  
  If only a group of English woman, all wearing hijabs, some chadors, and niqabs etc.were on a peace march.
  
  Encourage muslim woman to be part of this “peace march”.
  At a certain point, to recognize solidarity with the victims, then all scarves, hijabs, niqabs, burkas are taken off, and gathered up.
  
  Also for the men to to have their beards shaven off, any of those hats and robes, also put into some dumpster, or drum.
  
  Then burnt, like the woman used to burn their bras.
  
  Ok the global warming, sooty air, greens, resource consents etc. would stop this.
  
  CNN Would need a few rehearsals though
  Unfortunately I will not believe them, but it would be a small start, a step to bigger things?.
  
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  June 5, 2017 4:03pm
RF

Message for Umaga.

You can run but you cannot hide behind SBW plus calling the dangerous tackle on O’Driscoll a tip tackle is pathetic. It was a bloody dangerous spear tackle carried out by you and Mealamu.

Shame on you.
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June 5, 2017 4:39pm
- Kimbo
  
  I agree that is how it turned out, and the All Black management of the time bears the responsibility for not fronting it, instead of the “we’ve moved on” bullshit that Graham Henry peddled. However, I don’t believe it was deliberate.
  
  Instead, due to the reckless technique that was being allowed to go at the time, both Umaga and Mealamu lifted up ODriscoll’s leg, each unaware of the other, rather than cleaning out by binding and driving O’Driscoll back as per the laws of rugby. And once he went up, he had to come down, and was bloody lucky it was not on his neck.
  
  And it was a balls-up that all the TV coverage could not be used at a subsequent judiciary. While Umaga and Mealamu were not, IMHO, guilty of foul play (as there was no intent), nonetheless they were both guilty of dangerous play – aided and abetted by the coaches who encouraged the dangerous technique, and the referees of the time who had allowed it for a number of seasons before then. And as the result of dangerous play can be just the same as foul play, they should both have been suspended.
  
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  June 5, 2017 5:00pm
  - Longknives
    
    Kimbo I bow to your Rugby knowledge 99% of the time but the attack on O’Driscoll was both calculated and deliberate.
    Watching a drunken Graham Henry arrogantly smirking and refusing to answer questions about it at the Press conference (I was there!) was the end of my lifetime support of the All Blacks.
    The cover-up that followed was nothing short of disgraceful.
    
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    June 5, 2017 6:25pm
    - RF
      
      I agree… a disgraceful cover-up. I also had a good contact at the press conference and he has an identical attitude to yours. Henry was an arrogant prick then and still is.
      
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      June 5, 2017 6:45pm
    - Kimbo
      
      I agree there was an attempt at a form of cover up after the event – actually more deflection and obfuscation, but that is just as bad given the circumstances and the ending of whatever chance that (poor) Lions team had- but how did that equate to proof that O’Driscoll was the subject of an incident that was “calculated and deliberate”? How would you do that, given the dynamic circumstances in which it happened. I mean, do you think that it was a deliberate targeting of him, at that time, in that way, so that he could have ended up in a wheel chair for life, or even dead with a broken neck?
      
      I’ve played with and against some shit heads but no one, much less professional sports people would ever be that stupid. Yeah, I accept “go hard out right from the start”, and “hit their best player and/or captain with a hard (legal) tackle if you can as early as possible” was maybe said pre-game – as they have been at every team talk since William Webb Ellis picked up the ball and ran with it. For example, Dallaglio’s broken ankle was one of those freak things. You play contact sport, it happens. But all the more reason why the dangerous play of Umaga and Mealamu should have been dealt with, rather than subject to Henry’s subsequent covert-up.
      
      …but a pre-meditated attack that upends a man in the air in what turned out to be a spear-tackel? Sorry, Longknives, while I usually respect your opinion while sometimes disagreeing with it, your head it wrapped in tinfoil on that one.
      
      And yes, as a product of Kelston BHS, a pupil at the time Graham Henry road into town, I don’t need lectures on his arrogant demeanour. No friend of mine, including firing a few years after I left one of the most inspiring teachers I ever had…
      
      But I would agree, the NZ media, when it needed to grow some balls and be objective, disgraced themselves by swallowing Henry’s bait, hook line and sinker that it was Tony Blair’s former PR man on Woodward’s team trying to make it into a bigger event than it was.
      
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      June 5, 2017 8:21pm
big bruv

More truth for NZ rugby fans to digest.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/93339958/lions-tour-new-zealand-sports-fans-the-most-arrogant-in-the-world-says-2005-lion-ben-kay
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June 5, 2017 4:50pm
- mikenmild
  
  Says him. Maybe if the 2005 Lions had been any good they might have garnered more respect, perhaps even the respect to which Ben Kay (who?) imagined he was entitled.
  
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  June 5, 2017 4:57pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Indeed. Kiwis had no problems giving respect to the 1971 Lions, not their teams of 1950 and 1959 for that matter. And as per the old joke, “Which was the greatest rugby team to ever leave New Zealand? Answer: The 1937 Springboks”.
    
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    June 5, 2017 5:04pm
  - Longknives
    
    Mikey if Dan Carter had been spear tackled and put out of the Series in 2005 you would still be howling and crying your wee eyes out to this day.
    All Black supporters are unbelievably arrogant and one-eyed…
    
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    June 5, 2017 6:21pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Boo hoo. Luke McAlister would have stepped up and perhaps we would have won by more.
      
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      June 5, 2017 6:28pm
      - Longknives
        
        Dallaglio and then O’Driscoll gone was the end of the Lions- You know that Mikey. (As did Umaga and Mealamu..)
        Think McCaw and Carter at the peak of their powers both gone before the first Test..The whole Series dynamic would have changed.
        Stop pretending to be a one-eyed moronic All Black fan because I have actually discussed Rugby with you on here before and you are way more knowledgeable than that..
        
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        June 5, 2017 6:32pm
      - mikenmild
        
        No team can rely on one person. No one seriously believes the Lions would have won if they had Dallaglio and O’Driscoll.
        
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        June 5, 2017 6:41pm
      - Longknives
        
        Just saw Umaga and his Sonny Bill on the news barely containing their delight at questions about the O’Driscoll incident-It’s all a hilarious joke apparently..
        I guess that was what Sonny Bill was smiling about? Though I wouldn’t be surprised if certain other events this week may have added an extra ‘spring in his step’…
        *Before the torrent of abuse- Here’s a picture of him showing his support to his ‘Brothers’ by giving the ISIS hand signal..
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/88724462/Sonny-Bill-Williams-BMW-sponsorship-reviewed-over-links-to-controversial-Muslim-clerics
        
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        June 5, 2017 6:49pm
mikenmild

Nice group photo of the leaders from the G7 summit:
https://www.facebook.com/TheGoodLordAbove/photos/a.157796790974699.40772.157750900979288/2057817320972627/?type=3&theater
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June 5, 2017 5:57pm
- cha
  
  Mutti certainly has her hands full.
  
  https://image.cagle.com/195087/1155/195087.png
  
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  June 5, 2017 6:05pm
nasska

ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥt
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June 5, 2017 6:22pm
- Nookin
  
  It is likely your fault if you failed to specify a southern hemisphere keyboard.
  
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  June 5, 2017 7:28pm
Fletch

Sharia law is being practised secretly in Australia – Muslim men having more than one wife, trading child brides, or divorcing their wives – ignoring Australian law.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZbCe4hFhGI
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June 5, 2017 6:52pm
- mikenmild
  
  Polygamy is an interesting one. Is there any reason why it’s illegal?
  
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  June 5, 2017 7:00pm
  - Brigitte
    
    A bigamist is a woman married to too many men. Wife is another term for it.
    
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    June 5, 2017 7:04pm
  - nasska
    
    Multiple mothers in law I would think. 🙂
    
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    June 5, 2017 7:04pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Be thankful it is MM as we were not obliged to share the pussy.
    
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    June 5, 2017 7:15pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I can’t see why the government would need to regulate the consensual personal relationships of adults.
    
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    June 5, 2017 7:22pm
    - nasska
      
      So long as whatever the adult parties were involved in was truly consensual on an individual level I’d go along with that Mike.
      
      I fear, however, that any enabling legislation would see teenage girls married off to dirty old Muslims as is the current practice in most Islamic shitholes.
      
      God knows what would happen in Gloriavale & the like.
      
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      June 5, 2017 7:29pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Well until the legislation changes I suppose us commoners will just have to settle for orgies.
        
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        June 5, 2017 7:35pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      How extraordinary that a lefty can’t see the inherent power imbalance in polygamous marriages.
      
      What happens to poor, young men in polygamous communities?
      What happens to young women in polygamous communities?
      How can you guarantee that all the individuals involved in a polygamous marriage are consenting?
      How does the economy of the first family change when 2nd, 3rd, 4th, wife arrive and more children are born to younger wives?
      
      Check out how Canada has looked at this issue.
      http://www.jurist.org/forum/2011/12/nicholas-bala-canada-polygamy.php
      
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      June 5, 2017 7:56pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Sorry, I didn’t mean polygamy, I meant polyamory.
        
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        June 5, 2017 8:09pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”I didn’t mean polygamy, I meant polyamory”…..
        
        Good grief man! You’ve got us chasing all over the www.
        
        Try to get all your shit in one sock. 🙂
        
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        June 5, 2017 8:17pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Maggy wrote
        “What happens to poor, young men in polygamous communities?”
        
        It makes jihad all the more enticing, no?
        
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        June 5, 2017 8:20pm
      - mikenmild
        
        It means a ewe can have multiple rams as well as a ram having multiple ewes.
        
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        June 5, 2017 8:22pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    One woman causes enough havoc to a mans life MM. Why would any man want more ?
    
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    June 5, 2017 7:35pm
    - stigie
      
      Sometimes they hate seeing a man enjoying himself, that why they close their eyes when you’re having a root !~
      
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      June 5, 2017 8:08pm
      - nasska
        
        Put strobe lighting in the bedroom stigie.
        
        That way she’ll look like she’s moving! 🙂
        
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        June 5, 2017 8:20pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Gruffydd,
      “One woman causes enough havoc to a mans life MM. Why would any man want more?”
      
      In the English language, the word “woman” symbolizes a different concept to what the Moslem man has in mind.
      
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      June 5, 2017 8:22pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Only slowly since we took control away from the god addled have we changed from the Muslim meaning .
        It was not that long ago when you could come home drunk at 615pm smack her in the head a few times then give her a good rapeing. Rapeing your wife was not a crime before 1985. In the past cops turned a blind eye to a black one only charging those who really gave her a thrashing.
        
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        June 5, 2017 8:42pm
      - Jack5
        
        You can’t lay all the fault on the police, Griff/Gruffyd.
        
        A few decades ago, there were few if any safe places such as women’s refuges, and welfare support for families was minimal.
        
        Many if not most abused women driven to the extent of calling the police would later refuse to continue the complaint and give evidence against their abusers.
        
        Police often put an abused wife in the witness box in court on a Monday morning. Frequently, even usually, the poor woman, with a brutal husband now grovelling for mercy and promising reform, would flatly refuse to give evidence. The case would lapse.
        
        She was not accepting the brutality, but bowing to the reality that her children would suffer if she proceeded and the marriage broke up.
        
        When the abuse led to another complaint, the police would be understandably slow to act.
        
        The problem was the law, welfare support – community attitudes as a whole, not just police practice.
        
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        June 5, 2017 10:33pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Assuming we are talking of heterosexual relationships, a polyamorous male is more likely to father more children than a monogamous male …

just a bloody burden on the poor old taxpayer….

another lefty rort!
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June 5, 2017 8:21pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Polyamory is not the same as polygamy. In one, there is love (amour); in the other, there is not.
  
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  June 5, 2017 8:32pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    yep, Mikenmild will be upsetting the sisterhood, no end.
    
    He seems to have forgotten his lessons on exploitation of women by creepy men.
    
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    June 5, 2017 8:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It would be easier to figure out what Mikenmild means by polyamory, if he was more specific about the gender identity of his consenting adults….

If he is keen on adding to his harem a few men and bis and trannys … then goodness only knows about the fertility levels.
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June 5, 2017 8:26pm
- mikenmild
  
  As I have said many times before,
  Maggy, I do not see any reason for the state to regulate the consensual personal relationships of adults. I’ll leave that to you fans of big government.
  
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  June 5, 2017 8:30pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    What happens to the rights of dependent children or vulnerable adults if a polyamorous set-up turns to custard and key adults do a runner?
    
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    June 5, 2017 8:35pm
    - mikenmild
      
      What happens to dependent children if their monogamous parents abandon them?
      
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      June 5, 2017 9:06pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The children still have legal rights to their parents’ estate(s).
        
        Just wondering when you have children with multiple “parents” where their rights of inheritance lie.
        
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        June 5, 2017 9:11pm
      - GoVege
        
        I don’t think so Maggie.
        Once dad marries some trollop, everything goes to her if he drops dead shortly after.
        Too bad about dependant kids.
        
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        June 5, 2017 9:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Wouldn’t it be easier just to become a brothel owner?
  
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  June 5, 2017 8:31pm
  - nasska
    
    He’s the manager of the Quarry Inn but we can’t get him to admit it. 🙂
    
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    June 5, 2017 8:36pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh, it’s got such a bad review here, too.
      https://www.finda.co.nz/business/listing/yq3v/the-quarry-inn/
      
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      June 5, 2017 8:40pm
JasonJohns

I support all the commenters here calling for a Muslim-free NZ. But how to get to this goal? Ten suggested steps:

1. Set up a register of Muslims. Currently we have no idea who they are and where they live. Raid census data. The time for anonymity is over.

2. All forms of Muslim dress banned in public and private.

3. Anti-Muslim campaign in all schools. Children taught the evils of the religion, encouraged to avoid it.

4. All Muslim schools closed. Kids from those schools removed from their parents for a year and given cleansing programme, so they can think for themselves.

5. Create a system. Three classifications: white, grey, and black. Muslims graded white can move about freely in society but are excluded from all civil service jobs, may not stand for office and are barred from high security areas. Grey Muslims are restricted to the city where they live and are placed under surveillance. Grey grade Muslim men between ages of 18 and 65 vasectomised. Those graded black are regarded as dangerous and are either executed or placed on a remote island.

6. Children of black grade Muslims removed from their parents and adopted out.

7. Koran and all pro-Muslim literature banned. Copies removed from bookshops and libraries.

8. All mosques closed. Muslims caught worshipping illegally at home given black status.

9. So that citizens can protect themselves from potential attack all Muslims must wear identity badges in public. Perhaps a crescent pinned to their shirts.

10. Reach a deal with an impoverished nation, like PNG or Chad, that allows NZ Muslims to be sent there. Then offer NZ’s Muslims 10,000 each to leave.

Uptick if you agree with this programme of action, which is being sent to the NZ First, 1Law4All, and New Force parties.
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June 5, 2017 9:07pm
- itstricky
  
  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:12pm
- Reid
  
  Jason like all sheeple you’re way off base.
  
  Start with drawing the clear and present distinction between the Sunni Wahabbi’s who are the biggest buyers of Western armaments from the rest of Islam.
  
  Then put pressure on the Western democracies to withdraw their arms sales from this scum.
  
  It’s called striking the root.
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:27pm
- GoVege
  
  You wouldn’t be being sarcastic would you, JJ?
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:28pm
Odakyu-sen

To change the subject.
I tried a different cut of beef for tonight’s roast. Instead of the usual Pac n’ Sav bolar roast, I went to the local butchery and bought a 1.5 kg block of sirloin. I roasted it at 160 C (forced fan) for 1 hr, 10 min. (With potatoes).
My wife has issued new orders that I am not to buy bolar roast any more. (What have I done!)

Sirloin costs twice as much, but tasted twice as good, so I guess I did okay…

Have any of you tried sirloin roast?
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June 5, 2017 9:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That temperature seems very low for a beef roast.
  
  It seems more likely that you have braised the meat.
  
  I would roast a decent hunk of beef at 200 C…. for a shorter time ….. or at least start it at 220C for 10-15min before turning temp down to 190C
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:33pm
- cha
  
  Have any of you tried sirloin roast?
  
  Yeah, but fuck the sirloin, go for scotch (cube roll) and it’s internal fat.
  
  Season well and fry the fuck out of it (brown nicely on all sides) and into a filthy hot oven (<220 fan) for forty or so minutes (60°C meat thermometer) and rest on a hot plate for at least 20 minutes. You'll never go back.
  
  Pro tip – (heresy ahoy) take a punt on doneness and carve from each end but if it gets a bit too bloody give it a blast in the microwave to set.
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:40pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The only beef roast for me is a rib. About 6cm thick (for 3 or 4), sear it in pan first then roast on fan at 180c for about 25 minutes. Seems New World is the only supermarket that sells it.
  Mmmmmmmm………..
  
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  June 5, 2017 9:55pm
  - cha
    
    The only beef roast for me is a rib.
    
    Me too, if I could get scotch/ribeye on the bone.
    
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