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Chuck Bird

I went to an interesting talk by two visiting visiting UK experts Baroness Ilora Finlay and Robert Preston hosted by the Maxim Institute.

David Seymour’s bill is not as simple as he claims. This issue should be decided by a binding referendum.

https://www.maxim.org.nz/illusion-certainty-end-life-choices-bill/
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June 30, 2017 8:06am
- Albert_Ross
  
  If it’s a complex issue with no easy answers, a binding referendum is the last way you’d want to decide it.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:16am
  - Kimbo
    
    I agree. But don’t tell that to occasional Kiwiblogger and ex-MP Wayne Mapp, who, on issues of conscience ignored Burke’s dictum:
    
    Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.
    
    …because it is “no longer appropriate for modern society”. Instead, he acted like a ~~true democrat~~ weather vane, and polled his constituents to decide the matter for him
    
    ….except when it was a matter which Wayne Mapp considered should be left to his judgement, rather than the majority of those he was representing. In other words, when it suited and when Wayne considered the matter sufficiently serious and the “tyranny of the 51%” did not take into account the complexity and consequences, Burke’s dictum did apply! Correct, Wayne. That’s what you were elected to do, exercise your judgement, not just conduct continual straw polls, and regurgitate the results like a calculator! If not, let’s sack the 120 MPs at present and replace ’em with an adding machine linked to a yes/no push button calculator in every home!
    
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    June 30, 2017 8:57am
    - ztev
      
      The swiss have both , representative democracy and direct democracy.
      Even political parties allow their leaders to be elected by the wider party.
      
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      June 30, 2017 11:01am
      - 4077th
        
        And yet they remain sensible enough not to indulge that giant socialist utopia known as the EU.
        
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        June 30, 2017 11:14am
- MCos
  
  I’m no great fan of referendums. We elect leaders to make decisions on our behalf and it’s their responsibility to do the research, listen to the various points of view and make a considered judgement on the issue.
  An MP’s unwavering adherance to an ideology can complicate the situation.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:39am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Like David Seymour.
    
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    June 30, 2017 8:49am
    - Kimbo
      
      Irrespective of the matter of euthanasia or any issue for that matter, be it ideological, religious or practical, Springbok tours, abortion or fluoride in water, that’s what Seymour is there for as per the collective decision of the good people of Epsom- to bring his judgement, warts and all. And to be held to account for it every 3 years.
      
      So kindly stop trying to disenfranchise the voters of Epsom. Because that’s the privilege voters have every election, and even more than the personalities and policies, the question they should ask of themselves before they cast their votes for both electorate and party (list) – “will this person represent me/us well with the decisions they make?”
      
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      June 30, 2017 9:06am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        My comment was in response to MCos in relation to MPs with an unwavering adherence to an ideology. That fits David Seymour to a tee.
        
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        June 30, 2017 9:26am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Chuck Bird
        
        My comment was in response to MCos in relation to MPs with an unwavering adherence to an ideology. That fits David Seymour to a tee.
        
        Meh. Typical light-weight response from you and your manipulative Messiah, Winston Peters. All parties and groups, in one sense or another can be described as “ideological”. “Ideology” is a pejorative that voters and politicians throw around when they don’t get their way, and instead their political opponents are winning, or at least trying to set the agenda…which, surprise, surprise, is what politicians and pressure-groups do.
        
        But yes, as ACT is a party that is built on neo-lib principles, including the freedom of the individual, it makes sense and in accordance with his world-view and (if you want to label it that) ideology, that Seymour would sponsor such a bill. Again, something that the voters of Epsom should have taken into account, and which they will do so again on 23 September. So, yet again, kindly stop trying to circumvent representative democracy by disenfranchising their collective decision.
        
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        June 30, 2017 9:31am
      - Gruffydd
        
        At lest ACT actually represents an ideology.
        We have many on here who rushed to support Colons Cranks and now are supporting NZF
        Both populist and in no way representative of anything but the way the breeze blows on a particular day
        With an ideology clearly stated you at lest know what you are getting from your party over the next three years .
        
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        June 30, 2017 9:40am
      - Kimbo
        
        With an ideology clearly stated you at lest know what you are getting from your party over the next three years .
        
        Yep. No matter how you cut and dice the euthanasia issue, it is ideological. One point of view is built on ideologies that value “protecting individual autonomy” and “reducing unnecessary pain and suffering” above all others. So those ideological values should trump warnings about a “slippery slope” and “the preservation human life” (be it from a religious motivation or not). But I’m sure the perpetually boring and arrogant shunda barunda will be along soon to warble on about how that is not the case it is all an ideological set-up by the neo-marxists or whatever, but he is not an ideologue like his opponents!
        
        Put it this way – I know that, no matter what arguments and facts are presented, it is almost impossible that faithful Roman Catholics and conservative Protestants would ever support Seymour’s bill, or any other euthanasia/assisted dying alternatives. Which makes them…ideological. Doesn’t make them right or wrong as such, just as an accusation that Seymour is ideological does not negate the supposed merits of his bill as such,
        
        …although it is disingenuous if they participate in supposedly “public” debates and accuse others of being ideologues…
        
        In 2011, we we had the choice to ditch MMP, I thought long and hard about voting against it. An incentive was that, in all likelihood, it would sink the Greens as a political force capable of winning seats in Parliament under FPP. But in the end I decided, as much as I hold the Greens in contempt, and consider those who vote for them naive fools, nonetheless, they deserve a reasonable chance to have their viewpoint, values and ideology represented.
        
        Same with the people of Epsom. If some are experiencing buyer’s remorse, then they will get the chance to address it on September 23.
        
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        June 30, 2017 9:57am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Every MP in the Parliament is free to introduce legislation Chuck, and much of it is ideological.
      
      Seymour’s Bill will be decided by a conscience vote, as it properly should be. It may or may not pass first reading. But Seymour has an absolute right to propose and sponsor it, even if you do not agree with him.
      
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      June 30, 2017 10:22am
      - Kimbo
        
        To be fair to the ventriloquist who has his hand up Chuck’s …
        
        …Winston Peters is almost devoid of ideology. Instead, every issue is pragmatically weighed on scales to determine…what tactical position will best benefit Winston Peters.
        
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        June 30, 2017 10:27am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Own goal for chuck me thinks.
        
        If euthanasia went to referendum it would pass easily judging by all the polling on the matter
        
        It is the fine nuance we rely on our representatives to thrash out within the debating chamber for not the big picture questions .
        
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        June 30, 2017 10:41am
      - Kimbo
        
        Yep. When a politician votes against something that you and the majority don’t want, they disrespect democracy.
        
        When they vote for something you want, but against the public majority, they are are showing “courage and leadership”.
        
        Go figure…
        
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        June 30, 2017 10:55am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Winston Peters is almost devoid of ideology. Instead, every issue is pragmatically weighed on scales to determine…what tactical position will best benefit Winston Peters.
        
        Coincidentally, the dwarf practices his own euthanasia every lunchtime and evening.
        
        Edit: sorry, reported you quite unintentionally.
        
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        June 30, 2017 1:29pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        KS, I understand how things work. We used to have FPP. We do not now. The change could have been done by politicians. However, it was done by a referendum. This is more democratic.
        
        NZF policy is for matters that are done by a conscience vote now be done by a binding referenda. Under FPP their was some rational for MPs making conscience votes. Those who voted against the wishes of their electorate risked losing their seat. This depended on how secure their seat was.
        
        Under MMP half the MPs do not have that concern.
        
        I think this is a good argument for a change in the system.
        
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        June 30, 2017 3:19pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        @Gruffydd, I would not be so certain. I heard the expert speakers one of whom was a doctor very experienced in caring for the dying, Baroness Ilora Finlay.
        
        If the matter passes a third reading and then went to a referendum there would be a good time for public education from both sides of the debate and also an opportunity for public debate.
        
        I believe this debate could swing the current polling. I of course could be wrong. If Seymour’s bill is not changed to put in a lot more safeguards for a start it would make it more likely to fail.
        
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        June 30, 2017 3:49pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Chuck Bird
        
        NZF policy is for matters that are done by a conscience vote now be done by a binding referenda…I think this is a good argument for a change in the system
        
        Chuck, irrespective of what disagreements we have had and will almost certainly have in future, and while I do not agree with NZF policy on the matter (including the problem of rightly deciding what should be a conscience matter – currently individual caucuses decide)
        
        …yes, as it stands that is a good argument. Genuinely. No sarcasm. I’m serious. Really.
        
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        June 30, 2017 4:01pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        2017
        The Horizon poll found 75 per cent of the 1300 people surveyed favoured a law change to allow the terminally ill and people with irreversible unbearable suffering to be helped to end their lives peacefully.
        
        Only 11 per cent were opposed.
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11878725
        One News/Colmar Brunton:
        2015
        Should a patient should be able to request a doctor’s assistance to end their life?
        
        Yes 75%
        No 21%
        Undecided 5%
        
        1000 voters questioned
        
        3 News/Reid Research
        
        Should law be changed to allow “assisted dying” or euthanasia?
        
        Yes 71%
        No 24%
        Unsure 5%
        Sourced from your New Zealand
        https://yournz.org/2015/07/27/two-polls-strongly-support-euthanasia/
        
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        June 30, 2017 4:20pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Gruffydd, I cannot argue with the facts you produce. However, I do not think it a given that referendum would be like the polls for reasons I have given.
        
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        June 30, 2017 4:27pm
  - MCos
    
    I also had in mind religious ideology whereby adherents will often let others do their thinking for them.
    
    I once read a biography of Robert Oppenheimer who was very sympathetic to the American Communist Party around the time of the depression because of their work with the downtrodden. Although he donated freely to the party he never became a member because it meant signing up to the rest of their ideology, no questions asked & there was plenty he was uneasy with.
    
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    June 30, 2017 10:56am
    - Kimbo
      
      I also had in mind religious ideology whereby adherents will often let others do their thinking for them.
      
      Good point. Has anyone told Chuck Bird he joined a cult when he signed up to and agreed to proselytise for “Winston First”?
      
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      June 30, 2017 10:59am
- Kimbo
  
  The other problem with “binding referendums for serious and consequential issues” is…who decides what is serious and consequential?!
  
  Have a look at the cranks, weirdos and gullible shills for the populists (Chuck Bird counts as at least one of those three) who cry out for binding referendums…and you soon become aware that it is an exercise in public opinion manipulation from start to finish. Which begs the question, if you are wanting a “quality” decision, why put it out in the domain where the vote of someone who has seriously considered and weighed the issue is equal to that of a half-wit, who will respond to the appropriate vacuous stimuli like a pea-brained pigeon?! Including the stimuli of political hucksters and snake oil salesmen who promise “true democracy” can only be had via “binding referendum”.
  
  But to clarify, I don’t think Chuck Bird has the intelligence of a pea-brained pigeon. He’s a bit smarter…
  
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  June 30, 2017 9:23am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Everything that you post contains an unnecessarily nasty put down of people you disagree with rather than just allowing the point you make to stand on its own merits. Why the ad hominem attacks? Do you think that they strengthen your argument?
    
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    June 30, 2017 11:01am
    - Kimbo
      
      “Everything”?
      
      Not so. I reserve that treatment for those whom I consider deserve it – in particular you, Chuck Bird and Shunda barunda.
      
      For example, Chuck deserves it today because he has shilled, yet again, for Winston Peters. He’s also a loathsome man who thinks that because Helen Clark hasn’t sued over allegations about her husband, or that John Banks has refused to take a paternity test, both allegations must be true. People like that who frequent Kiwiblog deserve smack downs on sight, and continual reminders so others can be warned and reminded what they are dealing with.
      
      You deserve it because, as I explained the other day on the decriminalising cannabis thread, you are a nasty misanthrope who lacks the guts to stick around and debate your point, and you presume bad faith on the part of others.
      
      Shaunda barunda deserves it because, having called me out for supposedly supporting terrorism, he has repeatedly failed to answer a reciprocating question back at him asking him to compare the likes of the PLO with Nelson Mandela, and he accuses others of being ideologues yet tells others to “piss off” when he is called out for it. Both of which I can tolerate, but when he accuses the likes of Kiwiblog’s finest gentleman, SGA, of being an ideologue too, receives clarification from SGA that is not the case, yet still does not retract
      
      …then he deserves to be named and shamed. Like you when you show presumptuous contempt for the values of others, yet expect special treatment and respect for the Roman Catholic church.
      
      So that is whom I hold in contempt around here, and why. The rest? I seek to adopt a “live and let live” policy. So act with respect, and I’ll treat you respectfully. And I’m a forgiving guy, prepared to consider and negotiate a settlement. Just ask my good friend, Scott.
      
      So, I leave that offer in your court, because, in calling me out in such a disingenuous and presumptuous manner, you’ve just ensured more back at you, Nukuleka…
      
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      June 30, 2017 11:16am
    - Gabby
      
      It’s not a crimbo to be an arsehole.
      
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      June 30, 2017 2:34pm
  - Gabby
    
    Crimbo’s Second Law:
    It would be a great mistake to fall under the misapprehension, no matter what evidence might appear to indicate otherwise, that it is acceptable ever to miss an opportunity to flaunt one’s erudition and sneer at the ignorance of others concerning matters of no importance, while holding forth at great length in articulating notions that could be expressed succinctly.
    
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    June 30, 2017 5:20pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Brilliant! Love it! 😉
      
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      June 30, 2017 5:22pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      What happened to gabby?
      That’s the second comment from her today that not only makes sense contains more than just one line of mangled insult .
      
      Are you ok lovey?
      Have you changed you meds?
      Whatever the result is quite amazing… keep it up.
      fwiw
      I often up tick you .
      Some of the wonks on this blog take it all to seriously.
      
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      June 30, 2017 6:04pm
- peterwn
  
  Maxim Institute seems to have zilch impact on how people think. Its views are too conservative and right leaning for many people. I have never heard of its ‘Danielle van Dalen’. Google ‘van Dalen’ and Danielle turns up on the third results page.
  Granted there are risks with allowing euthanasia but in a democratic society such as ours they are quite manageable.
  
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  June 30, 2017 10:33am
  - Kimbo
    
    I’m not as sanguine about the risks being “quite manageable”. but nonetheless, and as per Gruffydd’s comments above about ideological assumptions and underpinnings being disclosed, it is interesting that the Maxim institute doesn’t seem to put its cards out on the table:
    
    At the core of our work is an understanding that it is ideas that will shape society over time, so we’re in the business of long-term research and analysis of the policies and ideas that form our nation’s social, political, and cultural practices.
    
    We’re working towards a positive future for New Zealand, where each of us is grounded in deep connections with our communities, where we treat each other with generosity and strive for unity while respecting our differences, and where we all have the opportunities we need to provide for ourselves, our families, and our communities.
    
    https://www.maxim.org.nz/about-us/
    
    So no disclosure it is a conservative Christian organisation, that also advocates for neo-lib economic policies. Good luck to ’em, but it is disingenuous to omit any mention of the religious motivation, and cover it with “At the core of our work is an understanding that it is ideas that will shape society over time”.
    
    I know a guy like Sir John Graham is a class act, and he puts his cards on the table, although he wont shove it down anyone’s throat nor argue the merits of his case from a religious premise. I would have expected Maxim to have a least acknowledged it in their “about us” statement.
    
    I also know the Maxim Institute had plenty of folks in a church I belonged to some 15 years ago shilling for them. Became a turn-off, just as any Anglican vicar warbling on about a left-wing policy such as the “living wage” is. No matter who you are, bugger off, and don’t try and tell your parishoners how to vote. I’m capable of considering the issues of macro-economic policy and the ministry of Christ myself, thanks very much.
    
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    June 30, 2017 10:45am
    - peterwn
      
      Yes, one minister did indeed warble on about the ‘living wage’ while the church office worker was paid less than the ‘living wage’.
      
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      June 30, 2017 11:34am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      You bloody hypocrite Kymbo. You expect full disclosure yet you are too cowardly to use your name. It would not surprise me if you are on a benefit for mental health issues.
      
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      June 30, 2017 2:01pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Still not addressing the issues, I see Chuck?
      
      Oh, yes, and I will have to revise my opinion you don’t have the pea-sized brain of a pigeon based on that last post. Full disclosure by a public organisation seeking funding and support should be a requirement. Is a moral one, at any rate.
      
      The same does not apply when posting on a blog – hence DPF does not expect it. Or hadn’t you noticed that? You are sooooo dumb.
      
      Next distraction? Have you had that paternity test yet? Bloody suspicious you haven’t. And you call me a hypocrite!
      
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      June 30, 2017 2:02pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Peter, one of the main issues is whether the risks can be manageable. For a start I wonder how many of the MPs have any idea of how long many people diagnosed with six months to live have actually lived.
    
    These experts pointed out how many flaws are in David Seymour ideologically driven bill.
    
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    June 30, 2017 2:09pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Just as well they’ve got you. Latter-day “Renaissance Man” aren’t you, Chuck? Successful amateur lawyer, mine re-entry expert, philosophically qualified to discern and prescribe ideology, polymath when it comes to balancing privacy and public disclosure requirements and now more able to interpret medical data than the average MP…
      
      All while holding court with the locals at the Delta in Ngaruawahia every Friday night.
      
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      June 30, 2017 2:21pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        At least I can read unlike you. I said the experts pointed out how many flaws are in David Seymour ideologically driven bill. I did not say I was an expert.
        I am not and I do not believe any of the MPs are including David Seymour.
        
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        June 30, 2017 2:26pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Come on Kimbo .
        A cripple fight is always amusing on here.
        You against chuck ?
        That’s not sporting.
        
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        June 30, 2017 2:30pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Chuck Bird
        
        At least I can read unlike you. I said the experts pointed out how many flaws are in David Seymour ideologically driven bill. I did not say I was an expert.
        I am not and I do not believe any of the MPs are including David Seymour.
        
        So if the experts say it…and you believe it…that means you back yourself to have the necessary expertise to sort the wheat from the ideological chaff…such as taking into account that the “experts” you are listening to are, in all likelihood just as ideological as David Seymour. Ooops! Never thought of that, did you? 😉
        
        No, it is impossible for MPs to be experts in everything they encounter and on which they must decide. But at least the good ones become attuned to and recognise when they are lobbied by pressure groups and seeing it for what it usually is – ideologically slanted. Doesn’t make the Maxim Institute right nor wrong, but for you to be listening to their “experts” and warning us that David Seymour has an “unwavering adherence to an ideology” demonstrates your naivety. Hence Winston Peters is your Messiah.
        
        Question, Chuck – if the average MP is not an “expert” how does throwing the question open over 3 million non-expert voters in the form of a referendum solve the problem?!
        
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        June 30, 2017 2:34pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Gruffydd
        
        Come on Kimbo .
        A cripple fight is always amusing on here.
        You against chuck ?
        That’s not sporting.
        
        Good point. He’s succinct, while I’m verbose. I’d better retreat while I’m not too far behind on points! 😉
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqw1FI1hfJA
        
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        June 30, 2017 2:39pm
srylands

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/94207283/nzta-agrees-to-kapiti-council-request-for-100000-to-name-18km-stretch-of-highway

So the Council spent $100000 to rename the old highway. By dividing it into seven roads. And naming six of those after Maori ancestors. And NZTA paid for it.

Now in what world is this even remotely OK?

EDIT and I can guarantee that 99% of the people here will simply call all 7 roads the `old highway `.
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June 30, 2017 8:09am
- Inandout
  
  $10,000 to each tribe, $5,000 to the sub tribes, and a few thousand to Aunty Rangi for the cook up. NZTA is using our money and on National’s watch – but hell it’s election year and the specials must be kept happy.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:15am
- Huevon
  
  “Old Highway”
  “Main Rd”
  
  So much hatred and bigotry. It’s basically 150 years of colonial oppression condensed. Names like that keep Maoris in prison and beating their kids.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:16am
  - Gruffydd
    
    It’s basically 150 years of ~~colonial oppression~~nz history condensed.
    What you are saying is all we have done and been for the last 150 years should be ignored.
    The number of roads and towns in nz before we arrived 0.
    The number of roads and towns Maori have a right to name is also 0.
    
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    June 30, 2017 8:20am
  - srylands
    
    There is a potential serious unintended consequence. Phoning for emergency services. The operator will only have the official street names. So some poor guy in Waikanae will need to know his mum is having a heart attack on Matene Te Whiwhi Road AND be able to pronounce that to the operator under stress. Good luck with that.
    
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    June 30, 2017 8:21am
    - sooty
      
      When you can’t pronounce it , l bet you can’t spell it either!
      
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      June 30, 2017 8:35am
  - KevOB
    
    The names are unpronounceable as well. The local Mayor, of Indian extraction, had a brainwave that all his elderly moderately rich charges should learn Maori speak. This is very way and community in which that will be denigrated.
    
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    June 30, 2017 8:43am
    - srylands
      
      I have never heard a single person here correctly pronounce `Paraparaumu `. So they don’t have a shit show with these street names.
      
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      June 30, 2017 9:17am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Guyon gives the whole ’embracing the native lingo’ a bloody good bash, God help us
        
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        June 30, 2017 10:06am
- Peter
  
  Mayor K Gurunathan said that, if NZTA was comfortable with the amount requested, “then I’m comfortable”
  
  Well, I’m glad you’re all comfortable.
  
  Let’s see how comfortable you are when the bill comes out of your wages. The sooner that happens, the fewer stupid decisions we’ll get.
  
  If you asked most road users – the people who pay for all this – they’d say one name per road makes more sense.
  
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  June 30, 2017 9:22am
- Flash
  
  Just think what fun people have if they try to use google earth for directions to get from A to B. It loves to include anything that has a name and is more than 10 metres long.
  
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  June 30, 2017 10:31am
Tempist

Good to see Labour’s moving away from Brand Clark with its latest employment relations policy proposals – under Aunty Helen, Labour’d inevitably slap “Kiwi” in front of any attempt to give the kiss of life to failed 70s agenda (nationalised transport, nationalised energy, nationalised banking, compulsory retirement savings)… So “Fair” is a step in a different direction – can’t wait for their justice policy – presumably it’ll be branded “Fair Cop”
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June 30, 2017 8:13am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I think you may be mistaken my friend. On closer examination you will notice it’s Fairy not Fair.
  Fairy pay, Fairy cop, Fairies for all.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:33am
  - Tempist
    
    Fairy point
    
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    June 30, 2017 8:41am
  - Random T Person
    
    Fairy Nuff.
    
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    June 30, 2017 9:31am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/sites/all/files/1200445fairyt4.jpg
    
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    June 30, 2017 9:36am
- VicParking
  
  Back to the 1970’s, unions rule, country wide strikes. Back to the future
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:41am
- G152
  
  Maybe you haven’t noticed but she who demands to be obeyed is back in the country and looks to be replacing the angry little man
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:56am
polemic

Couldn’t agree more Chuck.
It’s a totally foolish thing to put on the table during an election…
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June 30, 2017 8:13am
oldpark

You couldnt make this up. Peter Thiel was given residence in 2006 by Lie-bour Government. Subsequently he got a New Zealand Passport in 2011. In the period of permanent residency,granted by Lie-bour he helped turn a small company called XERO into a huge Two Billion dollar company,so far so good.
Then out of the woodwork came a Lie-bour Party wee boy name of Lees-Galloway objecting to Mr Thiel and his NZ Passport.
Enter the defacto trade union installed Lie-bour Party Leader known as Angry Andy Little. Little has taken umbrage,wants to know why a person like Peter Thiel who it is alleged only spent 12 days in NZ to get his passport.
The real story is Thiel helped create massive employment,for NZs and many many millions of dollars to boost NZ economy. With the attack by Angry Andy Little,and his joined at the hip Lie-bour /Green Party on winners like Peter Thiel,seems should his pack of losers win the election in September,he and his trade union puppet masters will wreck NZs very strong economy. Thiel has done more for our economy in his alleged 12 days ,than Little and his gang, and him on his $1000 a day for doing nothing, could do in two life times. Seems Little represents the do nothings ,and puts the boot into positive economy creators and winners.
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June 30, 2017 8:24am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Lees-Galloway is deeply embedded in the unions as well Oldpark. He went from being president of the Massey University Students Association to being an organiser and publicity stunt coordinator for the Nurses Organisation to Parliament, so has very little real-world experience.
  
  To him, people like Peter Thiel are Rich Pricks, who must be despised and reviled. The fact that Thiel’s investments have created jobs is irrelevant, as is the fact that he was approved for New Zealand residence under Labour. Being wealthy is Thiel’s unforgivable sin in the eyes of ILG.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:34am
- Peter
  
  I don’t care if Theil has spent no time here at all. The return is very high, cost low.
  
  Which is the opposite of what typically happens under our immigration policies.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:50am
  - G152
    
    Peter Theil has evidently just annoyed the Not President Trump club which appears to be why he has come to our fake medias attention.
    And why the angry little man has joined in the screeching noises and dragging his unshaven one about the scenery 🙂
    
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    June 30, 2017 10:15am
- niggly
  
  So in essence LabourGreen Party’s whinge (and now Winnie First too, climbing on the MSM bandwagon) about Thiel being granted residency is that he was only here for 12 days?
  
  But as the Minister responsible at the time (Nathan Guy) said yesterday Thiel was granted residency in essence because he was exceptional (eg in terms of is multi-million dollar investments etc).
  
  So two things:
  
  Firstly, some people (eg Labour/Greens/NZFirst/MSM) seem to conveniently forget about NZ’s economic situation at that time (late 2000’s/early 2010’s) which was in a scary place post GFC, ChCh earthquakes, and projected decades of deficits etc. To have someone like Thiel come in and invest massively and have confidence in NZ (and its government’s management of the economy) cannot be understated (as the LabourGreensNZFirst Party look back at the time period through the lens of 2016/2017 and when the NZ economy now is so much “better”).
  
  Secondly seems the LabourGreensNZFirst Party also have their usual issue with perceived “white rich pricks”. So according to the Left it’s ok to have say the likes of (economically non-contributing) refugees being granted permanent residency, and other ethnicities from around this wider region …. but not someone with a bit a money that is contributing positively to the NZ economy?
  
  Plus anyway I thought it was the Government’s prerogative, so if Helen Clark’s Labour wanted to granted residency to refugees that were rescued by the Tampa, why does that stop National granting residency to someone they believe will benefit the country.
  
  Actually thirdly, I’m really sick of all this double-standard, whinging, negative, denigrating “gotcha type dirty politics” from the likes of Labour and the Greens. If the LabourGreen Party can’t articulate a positive vision for this country and instead continues to resort to the above, all I am going to say in response is:
  
  FUCK OFF LABOUR GREENS!
  
  FUCK OFF LABOUR GREENS!!
  
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  June 30, 2017 9:24am
  - Happychappy
    
    niggly: Labour are a tad worried about Peter Thiel because National never took any gifts like Rick Barkers River Cruises as payment for his Citizenship so are so pissed at losing the perks of the job they have to try something like this to smear National.
    
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    June 30, 2017 10:04am
    - Gabby
      
      Didn’t they take a big donation just a bit after a hotel contract chappy?
      
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      June 30, 2017 4:59pm
  - Gabby
    
    Bloody outrageous. Why hasn’t he bought a knighthood yet? Is he waiting for a bundle offer with Gov Gen? The poor poor misunderstood fellow. Quick, find him some taxpayer money before he cries snoflake tears.
    
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    June 30, 2017 4:57pm
- Bullion
  
  I thought many KB poster were against wealthy buying influence and their way into NZ – Dotcom is one example, even against one of our own in Gareth Morgan. Maybe if he was muslim or Chinese there would be more of an uproar here.
  
  He didn’t need to be a NZ citizen or resident to invest in Xero but has benefited greatly from the NZ taxpayer http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11794020
  
  I don’t imagine he wants to live here or be a NZer other than him seeing NZ being a modern doomsday bunker.
  
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  June 30, 2017 9:41am
  - Flash
    
    I don’t expect he’s renounced his US citizenship either,and that you are on the button with your last comment.
    I’m not sure that he’s the only person who might have similar views.
    
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    June 30, 2017 10:39am
  - Gabby
    
    Surely Linty Crobsy must be a cecret citizen by now.
    
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    June 30, 2017 7:02pm
- Gabby
  
  You reckon it’s not even 12 days oldfart?
  
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  June 30, 2017 5:00pm
cmm

Guns don’t kill people, stupidity kills people.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/94246499/he-thought-a-book-would-stop-a-bullet-and-make-him-a-youtube-star-now-hes-dead

Two kids by age of 19… thinks a book is going to stop a round from a Desert Eagle… dumb decision making all around.
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June 30, 2017 8:27am
- sooty
  
  Wrong book. Should have used Nicky Hagars. The shield of santimony would have saved them. Even though there is nothing between the covers.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:42am
- VicParking
  
  Must of been the only book he owned as he did not evan do a test firing.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:45am
- cmm
  
  It was a encyclopedia: oh, the irony!
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:48am
- holysheet
  
  should have used the bible, it’s full of crap that is supposed to save you at a time like this.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:56am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    or the magic underwear that Mormons wear – supposed to stop bullets.
    
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    June 30, 2017 4:23pm
- Raphael
  
  Could he have not first watched Demolition Ranch and seen the video where they were shattering big rocks with a Desert Eagle?
  Or the one where a .50cal goes through more than 5 reams of paper?
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:57am
- Garbageman
  
  Having fired a Desert Eagle I can assure you they are for shooting the burglar next door hiding behind the fridge holding a book not from a foot away for internet points
  
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  June 30, 2017 9:00am
  - cmm
    
    Even a lowly 22 can make it through a couple of phone books.
    
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    June 30, 2017 9:31am
    - Jack5
      
      Have a look at this video. A .223 is stopped by the eleventh of a row of Dunedin phone directories.
      The test showed that a .50 can mash up most of 30 of the directories in a row.
      
      It makes a difference if the directories, are wet of course.
      
      https://youtu.be/qiq2iJltjCA
      
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      June 30, 2017 11:18am
  - Gabby
    
    So that’s why your wrist’s so limp. What’s sooky’s excuse?
    
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    June 30, 2017 7:04pm
sooty

So Labour is amig to set up Fair Pay Rates! Just not to any New Zealander, by bringing in the the Slave Labour and housing them in a third world gulag. Hypocrites. Could not even employ kiwis.
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June 30, 2017 8:28am
- KevOB
  
  The whole updated saga is here:
  
  Labour Interns
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  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzSYCyt06Oj8LWtxVTZ1UEk1ekk
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  Pass it on please.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:47am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Keep it up Kev; you’re doing God’s work 😀
    
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    June 30, 2017 8:57am
VicParking

Slave Master Andrew Little has come out and said about the minimum wage “Starting with the immediate increase to $16.50 an hour in our first one hundred days [we would then] work towards a long term goal of two-thirds of the average wage.”
So you increase the minimum wage that increases the average wage. This means you must increase the minimum wage……… before long the minimum wage will be $1,000 hour. Does this man think before he opens his mouth.
Its the same logic they used for deciding what people are in poverty.
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June 30, 2017 8:31am
- KevOB
  
  The Rev. Charles Waldegrave, Leader Family Centre Social Policy Research Unit will be available to set the rates.
  The problem of the minimum wage required for Auckland being $6 /hr higher than elsewhere still has not been effectively dealt with. 500,000 Aucklanders are missing out on the basic rate or their respective relative increased rate.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:59am
  - Rich Prick
    
    There’s something 3rd world about a country turning to a priest for pay rates.
    
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    June 30, 2017 10:04am
    - ztev
      
      maybe hes qualified to run a ‘Social Policy Research Unit’
      
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      June 30, 2017 10:49am
      - holysheet
        
        Please tell us what these qualifications might be.
        
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        June 30, 2017 11:04am
      - Rich Prick
        
        OK, a political priest then.
        
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        June 30, 2017 11:05am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Maybe? Aren’t you sure?
        
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        June 30, 2017 11:42am
- Gabby
  
  Peter Thiel’s added so much value we can afford it easy.
  
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  June 30, 2017 7:05pm
VicParking

RNZ interviewed Microsoft this morning. Missed the opportunity of having a classic “Penny” moment. “MICROSOFT PAY SOME TAXES”
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June 30, 2017 8:34am
NK

I think Trump is a class A moron and unfit to be POTUS.

But this article is utter garbage and truly is “fake news”.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11883903

The quote that is meant to be demeaning is “she has a nice smile”. But he said more than that, and the extra bits put it in context.

This quote makes it worse:

Trump’s singling out of a female reporter was derided by some on social media, with the president’s words described as “creepy”, and American women lining up to apologise to Perry.

“It’s hell to be objectified,” said Cristin Harber, an author. “When POTUS has no fear of doing that surrounded by cameras… I’m so sorry. Your success is more than a smile.”

Caroline Feraday, a British television presenter based in Hollywood, said: “It was utterly inappropriate in the work place. They weren’t on a date. You could see she was uncomfortable; he relishes this power.”

What. A. Load. Of. Sh*t. It’s little wonder the MSM is so derided now.
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June 30, 2017 8:35am
- VicParking
  
  Its ok when Obama did it.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:47am
  - Fletch
    
    It’s OK when “handsy” Joe Biden does it.
    
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/it-was-just-regular-selfie-until-joe-biden-kissed-her-n773171?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma
    
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    June 30, 2017 11:09am
- MCos
  
  When you say it’s ‘fake news’, what part of that article is actually fake?
  The whole thing sounds like a description of what happened. Some people thought Trump was ‘creepy’ and some didn’t.
  
  Anyway the whole thing was soon overshadowed by his truly awful tweets about Mika Brzezinski . . . .
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:56am
  - NK
    
    Well, for starters, the bit about “you have a nice smile” is incomplete. He said more than that.
    
    I’m surprised the MSM didn’t just print “nice smile”!
    
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    June 30, 2017 9:26am
    - Bullion
      
      You can watch it in full here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2017/jun/28/trump-on-the-phone-to-irish-pm-tells-reporter-she-has-a-nice-smile-on-her-face-video
      
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      June 30, 2017 9:49am
    - MCos
      
      Are you aware of the expression – how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
      You’re trying to make a big deal out of nothing.
      I’m sure there’s plenty of instances where criticism can be leveled at the NZ Herald, but I don’t think this is one of them.
      
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      June 30, 2017 9:57am
- KevOB
  
  Potus doesn’t speak beltway.
  Some take every nuance and examine it death: Trump just speaks plain and confuses them in their bias.
  
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  June 30, 2017 11:25am
  - Gabby
    
    Pootus don’t hardly speak English.
    
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    June 30, 2017 7:36pm
- cha
  
  This quote makes it worse:
  
  And this makes it creepy AF.
  
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  June 30, 2017 12:40pm
Biscuit

Which General Debate 30 June 2017 do I join, heh heh?

(As of 8.37am there are TWO of the wee beasties!)

Chuckled when I saw Helen Clark asked about the upcoming election:
“I watch not uninterested, but not engaged.”

It’s funny, Hels, but I feel the same way about you being back in Godzone!
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June 30, 2017 8:38am
- Inandout
  
  She is more than engaged, she is married to Peter.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:50am
  - cmm
    
    Yes, sure but is she uninterested in him?
    
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    June 30, 2017 8:54am
- cmm
  
  “I watch not uninterested, but not engaged.”
  
  Remarkably trite comment from someone who was a PM!
  
  She never served the country, or even for that matter the Labour party.
  
  They all served her. Just unsavoury things she did on her path to her true interest: big cheese in the UN.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:52am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    But she was going to address the Labour Party interns. Possibly she was the ‘clincher’.
    
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    June 30, 2017 12:28pm
    - sooty
      
      I bet she’s got a arse ‘clincher’ now trying to distance herself from that clusterfuck! I hope she gives angry a good slapping.
      
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      June 30, 2017 1:18pm
- pdm
  
  Question of the day.
  
  How do you confuse a pom?
  
  Put up two General Debates!!! lol.
  
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  June 30, 2017 9:17am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Got me!
    
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    June 30, 2017 10:21am
  - Biscuit
    
    Oi, pdm!
    
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    June 30, 2017 11:51am
lastmanstanding

Vic Parking to you and Capt Mainwaring high fives for the Capt coining the Slave Labour Party and you coining the Slave Master. I suggest all good KBers adopt these and get the word out far and wide to the citizenry to get the links established.
Phrases like this will eventually take on if enough people keep using them.

Suggest when posting we adopt SLP and SM to refer and link.
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June 30, 2017 8:40am
- Prince
  
  What are we ? Seventh form schoolgirls ?
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:55am
  - Garbageman
    
    Settle petal its frivolous free for all Friday SLP might not catch on but then I never thought Angry Andy would either if the name fits & all that
    
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    June 30, 2017 9:08am
    - holysheet
      
      AASLP or AASLAP sounds better
      
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      June 30, 2017 9:23am
    - Prince
      
      I’m outraged !
      
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      June 30, 2017 10:17am
  - SteveRemmington
    
    Just can’t get my head around what comparison you are trying to make Prince.
    
    I understand the majority here just refuse to swallow Angry Andy’s bullshit excuses, whereas in my experience seventh form schoolgirls will swallow anything.
    
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    June 30, 2017 9:26am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I think I went to a different school . . . .
      
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      June 30, 2017 10:22am
      - SteveRemmington
        
        Boys school?
        
        ?
        
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        June 30, 2017 2:52pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Seriously, am I the only one to down tick that besmirchment?
      
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      June 30, 2017 12:32pm
    - Gabby
      
      Been a while since you were in your wee 7th form kilt rims. Did they have cild molestation back in those days?
      
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      June 30, 2017 5:54pm
  - Fletch
    
    tehehe..
    
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    June 30, 2017 11:11am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Don’t forget the Free Foreign Labour Party…
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:58am
Paulus Gnome

KS – has there been a Kiwiblog GD for 30 June in a parallel universe somewhere?
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June 30, 2017 8:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “Let us study things that are no more. It is necessary to understand them, if only to avoid them.”
  ― Victor Hugo, Les Misérables
  
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  June 30, 2017 9:23am
Manolo

The MSM hacks claim there are Russians under the bed:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-russia-probe-eyes-longtime-trump-bodyguard-turned/story?id=48341329
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June 30, 2017 9:08am
- Lucia Maria
  
  So do the Germans…
  
  The impact of Russian interference on Germany’s 2017 elections
  
  And, Europeans in general…
  
  Europe has been working to expose Russian meddling for years
  
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  June 30, 2017 10:26am
dime

Dime was driving through the city the other night (Auckland obviously, the rest of you are farmers).

Anyway, I see the Radio New Zealand building.

These cocksmokers have a banner at the top of the building that reads, wait for it…

NEWS NOT VIEWS

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

They cant help themselves – like we are all dopey enough to think the shit they peddle isnt slanted to the extreme left. they try to convince us that socialism is the norm. its not. its a cancer on mankind.
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June 30, 2017 9:17am
- holysheet
  
  Did Mrs Dime know you were out cruising at that time of night?
  Has the novelty of Paris worn off already!!
  
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  June 30, 2017 9:25am
  - dime
    
    haha
    
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    June 30, 2017 9:26am
- Peter
  
  The very fact they need a sign shows their level of insecurity.
  
  Why not just do news, not views, chaps?
  
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  June 30, 2017 9:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Poor old RNZ is afears & trembling….
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94214385/leaked-emails-show-turmoil-at-rnz-but-chair-says-all-is-well
  
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  June 30, 2017 9:28am
- Garbageman
  
  Cheeky bugger this Invercargill “farmer” took 10 mins to drive to work this morning from the other side of town and having lived in Auckland twice I will take your BAHAHA & raise you a snigger always remember your tears of motoring rage fulfil us daily I could go on but that’s enough of a slap for now btw that sign cant be as bad for your advertising revenue as seeing Gowers mug on an ad promoting TV3 news now that’s marketing genius
  
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  June 30, 2017 9:43am
  - dime
    
    its all about how you plan your life.
    
    Dime has a sweet commute. I get caught in traffic about once a week for 5 mins.
    
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    June 30, 2017 10:01am
    - ross411
      
      Think of all those other suckers who slowly edge their way in and out of the city. All the years of life and health that stress is taking off their lives. Not to mention sitting in petrol fumes. So sad!
      
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      June 30, 2017 10:16am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I seem to be caught for what seems a week every five minutes . . . . .
      
      I am fine with commuting, it’s the 10,000 in front of me I have the issue with!
      
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      June 30, 2017 10:25am
- Gabby
  
  Haha
  dim’s gettin the gay on.
  
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  June 30, 2017 5:51pm
Manolo

Fake news exact a price:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/28/cnns-month-long-nightmare/

The last 30 days have been nothing short of a public relations nightmare for CNN.

The network is reeling after a brutal stretch that has seen two hosts taken off-air, one story retracted and another rewritten, accusations of staged protests, the resignations of three key employees and most recently, an ongoing series of undercover videos meant to portray CNN as misleading the public about the Trump-Russia stories that have dominated media coverage of the president so far.
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June 30, 2017 9:17am
- dime
  
  its fucking hilarious.
  
  hope trump brings down the hammer on hillary and some of the other shit heads.
  
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  June 30, 2017 9:23am
  - Ross12
    
    Paul Watson does a great summary of CNN hysterics
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxg6Xs3jQek
    
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    June 30, 2017 9:28am
    - dime
      
      that video was freaking amazing.
      
      i love the one where they are organising the pro muslim protest. jesus.
      
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      June 30, 2017 9:34am
- Scott
  
  In the interest of fairness I submitted myself to watch Anderson Cooper on CNN yesterday. 90% of the show was negative stories about Trump. For once they didn’t lead with Trump and Russia. No they lead with Trump doing another heinous thing. Apparently he hosted a fundraiser at his hotel and didn’t allow the media in!!
  
  That’s right he didn’t allow the mainstream media into his own fundraiser. Also he hosted his own fundraiser in his own hotel. As everyone knows that’s terrible!!
  
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  June 30, 2017 10:00am
  - ztev
    
    I dont watch CNN but I have to agree with you and the ‘all Trump, all the time’. It drives me crazy when they use it as a filler on news here.
    But you have to say Fox beat the anti Obama drum for the previous 8 years loud and long.
    
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    June 30, 2017 10:42am
    - KevOB
      
      Nice to be able to agree.
      
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      June 30, 2017 11:30am
Tauhei Notts

I have not down ticked anybody for about a week.
Has Stephieboy departed our shores?
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June 30, 2017 9:52am
- ross411
  
  All you needed to do was hint that there was a place somewhere, where no-one could get more outraged than him, and he’d be on his way. He’s got some hard-hitting competition here, with the environ-mentalist William, the self-appointed activist Penny, the arbitrary property article spammer Hugh, the diehard Labour astroturfing ztev/mara/…
  
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  June 30, 2017 10:14am
- holysheet
  
  Nah he has been seen in the usa
  http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/surreptitious-squirrel-causes-power-outage-in-west-michigan
  
  Liabore import slaves, we export squirrels. causes shit no matter where he goes!
  
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  June 30, 2017 11:12am
ross411

Trump is the funniest president ever:

realdonaldtrump: I heard poorly rated @Morning_Joe speaks badly of me (don’t watch anymore). Then how come low I.Q. Crazy Mika, along with Psycho Joe, came..

…to Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year’s Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!

All the people complaining what a war crime it was to comment on Mika. To objectify her. Then out roll the pictures of her (in front of the aforementioned Joe) sprawled out on a desk with her legs raised in the air. That no-one should use other people as targets. But yet they use Barron, and Melania. It’s like a man stepped into a flock of chickens and they scatter clucking haplessly.

What a train wreck for the left to have their lies and hypocrisy highlighted by Trump merely telling a true story.
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June 30, 2017 10:05am
- dime
  
  yeah funny shit.
  
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  June 30, 2017 10:26am
- howitis
  
  It was Mika Brzezinski earlier this year on her TV show saying that it is the media job to ‘control what people think’ .
  
  45 sec clip
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opf9uUmiyQI
  
  In the same small clip she claims Trump is ‘trying to make up his own facts’
  She certainly has irony oozing out her pores.
  
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  June 30, 2017 12:38pm
- LisaGinNZ
  
  President Trump pulls their (the lamestream media’s) chain, rings their bell… whatever phrase you like …. MEANWHILE, the “dumb” president is so dumb behind the scenes he and his team are setting the USA up to be a) energy independent and b) an energy EXPORTER…
  
  From potus today “Today, I am proudly announcing six brand-new initiatives to propel this new era of American energy dominance. First, we will begin to revive and expand our nuclear energy sector — which I’m so happy about — which produces clean, renewable and emissions-free energy. A complete review of U.S. nuclear energy policy will help us find new ways to revitalize this crucial energy resource. And I know you’re very excited about that, Rick.
  
  Second, the Department of the Treasury will address barriers to the financing of highly efficient, overseas coal energy plants. Ukraine already tells us they need millions and millions of metric tons right now. There are many other places that need it, too. And we want to sell it to them, and to everyone else all over the globe who need it.
  
  Third, my administration has just approved the construction of a new petroleum pipeline to Mexico, which will further boost American energy exports, and that will go right under the wall, right? It’s going under, right? (Laughter and applause.) Have it go down a little deeper in that one section. You know, a little like this. Right under the wall.
  
  Fourth, just today, a major U.S. company, Sempra Energy, signed an agreement to begin negotiations for the sale of more American natural gas to South Korea. And, as you know, the leaders of South Korea are coming to the White House today, and we’ve got a lot of discussion to do. But we will also be talking about them buying energy from the United States of America, and I’m sure they’ll like to do it. They need it. Thank you. (Applause.)
  
  Fifth, the United States Department of Energy is announcing today that it will approve two long-term applications to export additional natural gas from the Lake Charles LNG terminal in Louisiana. It’s going to be a big deal. It’s a great announcement.
  
  Finally, in order to unlock more energy from the 94 percent of offshore land closed to development, under the previous administration, so much of our land was closed to development. We’re opening it up, the right areas, but we’re opening it up — we’re creating a new offshore oil and gas leasing program. America will be allowed to access the vast energy wealth located right off our shores. And this is all just the beginning — believe me.
  
  The golden era of American energy is now underway. And I’ll go a step further: The golden era of America is now underway. Believe me. (Applause.)”
  
  Yeah… really “dumb” huh………….. (rolls eyes)
  
  more here (at my fav pro Trump site): theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/06/29/stratospheric-in-consequence-president-trump-policy-speech-unleashing-american-energy/
  
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  June 30, 2017 12:40pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    US Coal price
    https://www.quandl.com/data/EIA/COAL-US-Coal-Prices-by-Region.png?dataset%5Bcollapse%5D=monthly&dataset%5Bgraph_title%5D=Coal+Price+in+USD&dataset%5Bheight%5D=250&dataset%5Bwidth%5D=375
    Nuclear industry
    
    Huge nuclear cost overruns push Toshiba’s Westinghouse into bankruptcy
    
    Believe me
    Flogging two dead horses is gonna be a winner for sure.
    
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    June 30, 2017 1:23pm
    - Inandout
      
      The word ‘coal’ gives Greenies heart spasms and impotence. They have nightmares about that cheap and abundant solid fuel which now can be burned cleanly. The doomsayers will find any tenuous reasons why coal shouldn’t be used, but hopefully they will be pissing into the wind on this subject.
      
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      June 30, 2017 2:11pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        The reason given is not coal should not be used.
        It is economics .
        Fraking has made gas cheap.
        If you had an idea about the difference between running on coal and running on gas you would understand why cheap gas even if more expensive to buy per BTU than coal is a better option.
        
        It always makes me crack up when people come onto a right wing blog and support marxist market interference.
        Your Luddite thinking has a cost .
        Solid energy went bust and cost NZ inc billions .
        
        Fcuking commies.
        
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        June 30, 2017 4:46pm
- jonar
  
  Even Paul Ryan thinks it’s inappropriate for the President to make comments like that…
  
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  June 30, 2017 3:09pm
  - ross411
    
    It isn’t exactly the high road, and both parties have their hands dirty. It’s not the outrage that the media wants to portray it as, though.
    
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    June 30, 2017 6:06pm
- MCos
  
  Getting back to President Trump’s tweets. According to your comment you seem to belief this woman was out and about ‘bleeding badly from a face-lift’.
  It’s true that the Leader of the Free World doesn’t lie, but if you follow this link there is a photo of the lady on the evening in question.
  https://www.businessinsider.com.au/photo-mika-brzezinski-trump-face-lift-2017-6?r=US&IR=T
  This sorry business is nothing to do with liberal/conservative. Every political figure is lampooned to some extent, often in particularly nasty ways. That goes with the job. That’s why a thick skin is a prerequisite for the position & Trump seems to have lived a life where any insult must be repaid.
  That second tweet was just plain gross never mind the name calling which is now so commonplace to be meaningless, except to reinforce the perception that he is a goon.
  
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  June 30, 2017 3:09pm
  - cha
    
    Lard arse thought he had an in, too.
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDCvdSWXUAAR_hA.jpg
    
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    June 30, 2017 3:19pm
Longknives

This is from the front page story on the Herald-

“In troubled times, it pays to have heroes to turn to.
And the anointed Mother of the Nation, Breakfast co-host Hilary Barry, is one such person.
Her good deeds are varied and many …”

That’s as far as I got before I puked in my mouth. I actually look forward to these absolute muppets joining the Unemployed line…
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June 30, 2017 11:03am
- ross411
  
  The same kind of unthinkers that talk about how great Mother Theresa (people need to suffer) and Gandhi (sleeps with teenaged niece to test self and fails regularly) were.
  
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  June 30, 2017 11:33am
- sooty
  
  Every day she guides and looks after her grandson lame tame.
  
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  June 30, 2017 1:09pm
Notsofast

“Isaiah Neil (also known as Te Whetu) was 8 months old when he died after being left in a hot car, while his parents and grandmother smoked synthetic cannabis and passed out at Taneatua in 2015.”

They have been jailed for 3 years by Justice Graham Lang.

Ah, that’ll teach’em to not do the appropriate research on the substance strongly supported by Peter Dunne’s son’s legal business.

The community is safe now. Excellent.
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June 30, 2017 11:14am
- starboard
  
  Just spotted that myself. So, a babies life is worth 3 years..out in 18 months no doubt. As I’ve always said, the ‘justice’ system in NZ is completely and utterly rooted.
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/94228869/mother-father-and-grandma-who-got-high-and-left-baby-to-die-in-hot-car-to-be-sentenced
  
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  June 30, 2017 12:54pm
  - GoVege
    
    Believe me, many other cultures leave their babies all over the place, including cars, floors.
    I nearly trod on one once.
    You can’t convince them that the only safe place for a baby is in its cot, because then they’ll point out all the cot deaths.
    Also, they often have toddlers getting lost because of some mix-up over who is supposed to be looking after them.
    This family did not abuse the baby..they just got stoned and were temporarily incapable of caring for it.
    Probably hundreds of near-misses occur every year.
    Christianity doesn’t help either.
    “God will look after us”, “it’s God’s will”, “they’re angels now”, and best of all, “every child is a gift from God”.
    They will just think God chose to call this one back early.
    Jailing them will probably not change this mind-set.
    
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    June 30, 2017 4:44pm
- Inandout
  
  She will soon be pregnant no doubt.
  
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  June 30, 2017 2:13pm
  - Longknives
    
    Gotta keep that cashflow coming in Inandout…
    
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    June 30, 2017 2:18pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Not for three years one would think.
    
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    June 30, 2017 5:50pm
- cha
  
  So I guess they weren’t special people.
  
  /
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/no-conviction-in-infants-hot-car-death-2015060510
  
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  June 30, 2017 2:33pm
  - GoVege
    
    That poor woman was guilty of nothing more than trying to work too hard.
    It was cruel to charge her.
    
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    June 30, 2017 4:29pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Maybe, but I also think it was a right thing to be decided by the court.
      
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      June 30, 2017 5:52pm
  - itstricky
    
    Don’t worry, starboard will be here any moment to right the wrongs.
    
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    June 30, 2017 4:55pm
    - starboard
      
      one of your ilk sticky, you must be so proud.
      Disgusting rabble, they should be sterilised and locked up for life.
      
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      June 30, 2017 6:51pm
Fletch

~~Bern~~ Burn of the day… (OK, it’s a couple of days old, but still)

Someone has an account on twitter parodying Sean Spicer (it’s called Sean “Spicier”) which liberals frequently mistake for the real person. Hilarity often ensues. Spiciers tweet of the day though –

Now that Bernie’s under criminal investigation, he officially checks all the boxes of a legitimate Democrat candidate. Look out 2020!

https://twitter.com/sean_spicier/status/879664735410630656

😆
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June 30, 2017 11:20am
- cha
  
  ~~Bern~~ Burn of the day…
  
  The score for past 50 years – 89 Republicans to 1 Democrat
  
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  June 30, 2017 1:56pm
  - ross411
    
    That is a contrived measure to use. It’s sinking to tabloid level headline with little substance. Take the high road buddy.
    
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    June 30, 2017 6:09pm
    - cha
      
      That is a contrived measure to use.
      
      Nine to one is contrived, really?.
      
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      June 30, 2017 10:56pm
Fletch

By the way, in case you missed it, in America it is officially #HeterosexualPrideDay

I’m proud!! (And yes, all the liberals are going crazy for it trending on Twitter).
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June 30, 2017 11:23am
- MCos
  
  Good for you
  
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  June 30, 2017 1:20pm
dime

jesus christ. i refuse to click on this garbage.

4th story on the herald at this moment:

ENTERTAINMENT
Five times Hilary Barry saved the day
30 Jun, 2017 8:52am

In troubled times, it pays to have heroes to turn to. Hilary Barry is one such person.
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June 30, 2017 11:56am
- MCos
  
  Shock Horror
  
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  June 30, 2017 2:13pm
- ross411
  
  She should run for Labour party leader, that’s probably what the news unions are pushing these stories for. Lol.
  
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  June 30, 2017 6:10pm
- Gabby
  
  dim’s gettin picky.
  
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  June 30, 2017 7:32pm
Manolo

Madness unbound:
https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/morgans-donations-his-own-party-near-1m-ck-204708

Gareth Morgan has donated $900,000 to his own party, according to the latest Electoral Commission filings on donations above $30,000.
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June 30, 2017 12:09pm
- Kimbo
  
  Um, a political vanity project does cost!
  
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  June 30, 2017 12:12pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Colon spent six million or so on the conservatives.
    All gone with the result of one gooey love poem.
    Dotty was into internet mana for about 3.5 million again they are a spent force.
    So your point is?
    
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    June 30, 2017 1:10pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Sorry, you asking me or Manolo.
      
      But just for you, yes, and I thought the title “political vanity project” would have automatically prompted recollections of Colin Craig and Kim Dot Com. Donald Trump*…not so much!
      
      * Please note that my mention of Donald Trump, as well as Gareth Morgan, Colin Craig and Kim Dot Com for that matter too is not to be understood as either a criticism nor endorsement of any of them as political candidates. Instead, it is simply a statement, take it or leave it. Sadly, that disclaimer is becoming more and more necessary every day on Kiwiblog, as supposed “Trump fanbois” and “TDS sufferers” see incitements and insulting challenges to their carefully thought out and entirely logical opinions at the mere mention of the name.
      
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      June 30, 2017 1:23pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        I try not to ask you any thing kimbo.
        Your verbosity hurts my head.
        W.C. Fields
        “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”
        It was a rhetorical question aimed at Manolo.
        
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        June 30, 2017 1:47pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Gruffydd
        
        I ~~may be~~ am verbose, but at least I can post my verbosity in the right place 😉
        
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        June 30, 2017 1:52pm
      - Jack5
        
        You’re popping verbosity in your place where the sun doesn’t shine then, Kimbo? Verbal suppositories … 😯
        
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        June 30, 2017 2:42pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Indeed, ~~Jack5~~ Mr Hall Monitor 😉
        
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        June 30, 2017 2:52pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Could a proctologist cure that prolixity?
        
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        June 30, 2017 5:30pm
    - Longknives
      
      Internet Party a ‘Spent force’? Surely you jest??
      
      Their inspirational leader (currently in exile in Russia as John Key and the Reptilian Shapeshifters are trying to Murder her..) is talking up a ‘revolution’ on their Facebook page!
      
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      June 30, 2017 2:17pm
- MCos
  
  I’m not sure what your point in Manolo. Plenty of people have spent truck loads of money over the years in an attempt to advance their political career.
  Plenty more people have spent other peoples’ money too.
  Either way, no matter how much you may or may not abide their ideas, at least they’re willing to get out there and test them on the electrate
  
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  June 30, 2017 1:38pm
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
This conveniently ‘clocking in and out’ at will from the NZ ‘Ministerial factory’ is just more utter BILLSHIT.

Seen THIS?

How is being a New Zealand Minister, including the PRIME Minister, not a 24/7 ‘job’?

Here’s what the NZ Cabinet Manual states:

https://dpmc.govt.nz/our-business-units/cabinet-office/supporting-work-cabinet/cabinet-manual/2-ministers-crown-6

Conduct of Ministers

2.55A Minister of the Crown, while holding a ministerial warrant, acts in a number of different capacities:

in a ministerial capacity, making decisions and determining and promoting policy within particular portfolios;

in a political capacity as a member of Parliament, representing a constituency or particular community of interest; and

in a personal capacity.

2.56In all these roles and at all times, Ministers are expected to act lawfully and to behave in a way that upholds, and is seen to uphold, the highest ethical standards.

This includes exercising a professional approach and good judgement in their interactions with the public and officials, and in all their communications, personal and professional.

Ultimately, Ministers are accountable to the Prime Minister for their behaviour.

2.57Holding ministerial office is regarded as a full-time occupation and is remunerated as such. Accordingly:

accepting additional payment for doing anything that could be regarded as a ministerial function is not permissible; and
accepting payment for any other activities requires the prior approval of the Prime Minister.

_________________________

The problem?

“Ultimately, Ministers are accountable to the Prime Minister for their behaviour.”

What happens when the Prime Minister arguably does NOT act lawfully and behaves in a way that does NOT uphold and is seen to uphold, the highest ethical standards?

Is the Prime Minister going to sack himself?

Unlikely.

So – I guess that becomes the job of the voting public on 23 September 2017?

Penny Bright

2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.
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June 30, 2017 12:44pm
- starboard
  
  ” Cuckoo..Cuckoo “
  
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  June 30, 2017 12:51pm
- Nermal
  
  Have you acted lawfully and paid your rates yet?
  
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  June 30, 2017 1:43pm
- KevOB
  
  You can’t hold anyone else to a higher standard than that with which you personally comply with.
  
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  June 30, 2017 2:09pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “publicwatchdog”
  
  Public lunatic.
  
  There, fixed.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:02pm
sooty

Batshit crazy
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June 30, 2017 1:05pm
Jack5

All for nothing …

The drug Lance Armstrong took turns out to be useless: a trial shows it gives cyclists no benefit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/06/29/lance-armstrongs-drug-choice-epo-doesnt-work-scientists-claim/
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June 30, 2017 2:41pm
- mandk
  
  A couple of points:
  1) the article refers to him admitting taking a suite of drugs, not just EPO.
  2) if the EPO had only a placebo effect, it would still be cheating, i.e. the substance is banned and the placebo effect is positive.
  
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  June 30, 2017 4:05pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Hmm. I don’t dispute that a banned substance is a banned substance. So should an athlete who is given a placebo under the assumption he or she is receiving a banned substance that will give them a considerable edge
    
    …be guilty too?
    
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    June 30, 2017 4:09pm
Longknives

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11883032

I just don’t know who to give my hard-earned cash to on ‘Givealittle’-
The idiot streaker who ripped his pants off and deliberately interrupted the Lions Test?
Or that freaky Green Party Tranny ‘Activist’ who doesn’t want to get a job and wants us to finance her ‘struggle?..
*I remember when Givealittle was mainly kids with Cancer etc…Now every freakshow wants some cash!
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June 30, 2017 2:49pm
Jack5

Yuri Drozdov, KGB spy master, has died aged 91.

Said to be among his many actions was the scrubbing from KGB files before they were opened to the outside of names of uncaught Soviet spies in the Manhattan Project to develop the atomic bomb.

He played a part in the Soviet takeover of Afghanistan, and, according to the New York Times:

In 1962, he took part in the exchange of Soviet undercover agent Rudolf Abel, convicted in the U.S., for downed American spy plane pilot Francis Gary Powers.

The story was made into Steven Spielberg’s blockbuster “Bridge of Spies” in 2015.
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June 30, 2017 3:08pm
- Inandout
  
  He couldn’t scrub the Mitrokhin files though, they were spirited out of Soviet Russia. The KGB were into everything from western labour unions, ‘peace’ movements right through to the churches. They were experts at disinformation (fake news), and spread many tales about their US adversary, J Edgar Hoover.
  
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  June 30, 2017 3:37pm
- Gabby
  
  And under a pseudonym he wrote stories about a Peruvian bear.
  
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  June 30, 2017 7:31pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: BASIC ‘NUTS & BOLTS’
HOUSING PERFORMANCE INFORMATION REQUIRED

The selected residential consent numbers May for the following territorial areas were …

Building Consents Issued

http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/industry_sectors/Construction/BuildingConsentsIssued_HOTPMay17.aspx

New Zealand … 2794
Auckland … 885
Wellington … 67
Christchurch … 225
Waimakariri … 56
Selwyn … 138

The finance focused website Interest Co NZ rather surprisingly still just repeats these raw numbers …

New dwelling consents are increasing but still lag well behind growing demand in Auckland where housing shortage continues to worsen | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88558/new-dwelling-consents-are-increasing-still-lag-well-behind-growing-demand-auckland

The raw numbers on their own however don’t tell us much … unless they relate to the specific areas and population bases being discussed.

Internationally, the accepted standard industry measure are the ‘consent / start / completion rates per 1000 population per annum.’

So to get a real sense of the residential consenting activity each month, the raw Statistics NZ monthly numbers should be multiplied by 12 (annualized) and divided by the number of thousands of people within the areas being discussed.

http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/population/estimates_and_projections/SubnationalPopulationEstimates_HOTPAtJun16.aspx

For example (using Statistics NZ June 2016 population figures above) , let’s take Christchurch City with its population of 375,000 and its 225 consents for the month of May. Simply multiple the 225 by 12 to annualize it, which gives us 2700. Divide 2700 by 375 (the number of 1000 people living in Christchurch) which gives us a consent rate of 7.2 per 1000 population per annum. Hardly remarkable.

Therefore …

Pop (1000s) May consents / annualized Rate 1000 pop

New Zealand 4700 2794 33528 7.13
Auckland 1614 885 10620 6.57
Tauranga 110 145 1740 15.80
Wellington 208 67 804 3.86
Christchurch 375 225 2700 7.20
Waimakariri 58 56 672 11.58
Selwyn 57 138 1656 29.05

So … appropriately … based on the respective populations, the ‘star performers’ are Selwyn (as usual … by a country mile), Tauranga and Waimakariri.

Not surprisingly, Wellington at about 3.86 per 1000 population per annum is the worst within the above table.

What is the Wellington Council learning from the Selwyn Council ?

What the wider public also need to know is the comparative detailed costs breakout of fringe new housing in middle North America, and the detailed pricing on the fringes of New Zealands metros … as Andrew Atkins explained early 2013 … with THE REAL DEAL …

http://andrewatkin.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/the-real-deal-housing-in-new-zealand.html
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June 30, 2017 7:22pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  I provided access to the Pulte Homes example in Phoenix, Arizoina recently … noting that when building areas in North America are discussed, they only include the ‘heated area’ (garaging is excluded).
  
  In comparing apples with apples with building area methodology in the Antipode (Australia and New Zealand), garaging needs to be added … about 6 x 6 metres or 36 square metres / 387.5 square feet …
  
  https://pulte.com/homes/arizona/phoenix/florence/parkside-at-anthem-at-merrill-ranch-7739#CommunityDetailsView
  
  The Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey’s (13 to date) provide a useful guide on where to research true market pricing for housing …
  
  http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
  
  http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
  
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  June 30, 2017 7:25pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Seriously DPF, this clown continues to use your blog aggressively and daily to promote his one-sided ‘expertise’ in the world of property.
    We have had enough of him.
    Isn’t it time to tell him to do it on his own blog instead of abusing your hospitality?
    
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    June 30, 2017 8:08pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Auckland first-home buyers facing ‘increasingly more difficult’ hurdles … Stuff NZ
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/94256129/Auckland-first-home-buyers-facing-increasingly-more-difficult-hurdles?cid=app-iPad
      
      A major developer is threatening to pull out of Auckland’s ‘affordable’ housing scheme as a result of tighter lending and restrictions.
      
      GJ Gardner Franklin and Papakura managing director Mike O’Meeghan says around 60 potential first home buyers have walked away in the last month because they couldn’t get loans.
      
      The company is building 36 ‘affordable’ homes on sites in Papakura and Pukekohe as part of the Special Housing Area legislation, however they are becoming increasingly difficult to sell, O’Meeghan says. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      June 30, 2017 9:01pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Good news Hugh. The Nats are doing their job!!!!
        ‘Local councils across New Zealand approved 7 per cent more residential building consents in May, with house consents at a 13-year high as the trend for new dwellings continues to increase.’
        ‘Today’s figures show 10,379 homes were consented in the year through May, up 10 per cent from the previous year. However, the trend is showing signs of decreasing in Auckland, Stats NZ said.
        Including alterations, $1.8 billion of building work was consented in May. That included $1.3 billion worth of residential buildings and $605 million for non-residential buildings.
        On an annual basis, the value of consents rose 12 per cent to $19.3 billion. Residential consents increased 12 per cent to $12.8 billion while non-residential consents advanced 11 per cent to $6.5 billion.’
        
        How’s that!
        Bwahhahahahaha
        
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        June 30, 2017 9:15pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … No wonder Banks are as nervous as hell … constantly tightening lending criteria. They know full well current pricing is a fiction.
        
        In normal markets housing doesn’t exceed 3.0 times annual household incomes requiring mortgage loads of about 2.5 times … refer Demographia Surveys http://www.demographia.com .
        
        The above consent rates per 1000 population per annum highlight the flight by people and businesses out of the dysfunctional Christchurch Council Area to the adjoining properly functioning smaller local government units of Waimakariri and Selwyn …
        
        Christchurch office glut leaves nearly 1 in 4 vacant | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/93929231/christchurch-office-hangover-as-most-developments-completed
        
        … and too … this recent report with respect to the flight from Auckland …
        
        The new wave of Pacific migration: Thousands leave Auckland housing crisis behind for life in the provinces | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/93730362/the-new-wave-of-pacific-migration-thousands-leave-behind-the-auckland-housing-crisis-for-life-in-the-provinces
        
        The days of screwing people with overpriced housing appear to be coming to a close … as this March Fairfax article explained …
        
        The NZ homeowners who hate high house prices are revealed in Labour polling | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/90244287/The-NZ-homeowners-who-hate-high-house-prices-are-revealed-in-Labour-polling
        
        … extract …
        
        ‘ … One grandfather who feels that way is Hugh Pavletich, who had been campaigning for sweeping reform of housing policy for more than a decade as he’s watched house prices spiral up and up.
        
        “People are now actually hostile to housing inflation,” he says. “It was all fun in the beginning, and for the first few years, until the kids came knocking on the door wanting $100,000 or $200,000 for the deposit on a home.”
        
        Pavletich calls housing wealth “illusory” except for a small proportion of society including property speculators and investors, real estate agents, banks, and retirees able to sell up in Auckland and relocate to the provinces.
        
        For everyone else, he says: “I refer to it as a poverty creation programme.”
        
        The young are either trapped into lifelong renting, or forced to take on gigantic mortgages, and simple things like moving house become costly and difficult in a “high multiple” housing market, Pavletich says. …’
        
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      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Two key home loan lenders change rates, one hiking its one year rate, the other cutting its one year rate. Background wholesale rates rise today | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/news/88570/two%C2%A0key-home-loan-lenders-change-rates-one-hiking-its-one-year-rate-other-cutting-its-one
        
        Effective Saturday, July 1, 2017, New Zealand’s largest home loan lender is raising its one year fixed mortgage rate.
        
        Their one year ‘special’ will rise by +6 bps to 4.55%.
        
        It’s standard one year fixed rate will rise by the same amount to 5.05%.
        
        ANZ’s ‘specials’ are available to customers with at least 20% equity, an ANZ transactional account with salary direct credited, plus any ANZ credit card or insurance. ‘Specials’ are not available with any package discount plans.
        
        At the same time, Kiwibank has advised that it will be decreasing its one year ‘special’ rate by -24 bps to 4.45%.
        
        This Kiwibank move will be effective on Monday, July 3, 2017.
        
        These shifts mean that the Kiwibank rate will be directly rate competitive with ASB who have the same one year rate. 4.45% is a market-leading level (apart from the HSBC Premier rate). … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 1, 2017 2:12am
    - All_on_Red
      
      DPF seldom reads GD.
      If you want to complain, email him. comments@kiwiblog.co.nz
      Or, if enough people push Report, the comment should disappear into moderation for review.
      Iirc, it’s 10 reports. Much quicker than 31 downticks….
      
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      June 30, 2017 9:11pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        All On Red … How many more homes would they have developed / built at the Pulte Homes Phoenix Arizona pricing ?
        
        Check out the link I have provided above. … then do the calcs … and tell us all on Kiwiblog.
        
        We used to have comparable pricing to the affordable North American markets 20 and 30 years ago.
        
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        June 30, 2017 9:26pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        What were our incomes 20-30 years ago?
        We’re still waiting for you to share your solutions Hugh…
        Besides it’s a specious comparison due to the differences in economies of scale, particularly in material cost.
        (Sotto voce, ‘ what an idiot’)
        
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        July 1, 2017 9:27am
noskire

Mongrel black bitch: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/90683573/woman-jailed-after-attacking-pensioner-over-dog-droppings
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- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The poor bastard didn’t think fast enough. He should have picked up the dog crap and smeared it in her face before saying anything.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:11pm
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    At 73 you probably wouldn’t imagine you’re going to be king-hit. If he was 20 years’ younger he probably would have taken the bitch down. At least she doesn’t have the opportunity to breed for a year or so.
    
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    June 30, 2017 8:21pm
- starboard
  
  She looks like a cheap whore
  
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  June 30, 2017 11:50pm
nasska

Heard about the new shampoo for rates protesters?

It’s called Go and Wash.
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June 30, 2017 8:37pm
- noskire
  
  Probably what Penny Blight’s home will need.
  
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  June 30, 2017 8:43pm
- stigie
  
  That’s the one for dogs !~
  
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  June 30, 2017 9:13pm
big bruv

It seems that some low life are being kicked out of their tax payer funded free accommodation to make way for paying guests.
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/lions-fans-force-beneficiaries-out-of-akl-motels/ar-BBDtuiB?li=AAaUOAg&ocid=ientp
I’ve tried, I really have, but I simply cannot muster up one single fuck to give.
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June 30, 2017 10:06pm
Manolo

Socialist Bernie Sanders and the love of money:
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2017/06/30/sanders-calls-burlington-college-claims-absolute-lie/441648001/
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July 1, 2017 7:40am
Viking2

Looks like another fuck up by the Reserve Bank.

A major developer is threatening to pull out of Auckland’s ‘affordable’ housing scheme as a result of tighter lending and restrictions.

GJ Gardner Franklin and Papakura managing director Mike O’Meeghan says around 60 potential first home buyers have walked away in the last month because they couldn’t get loans.

The company is building 36 ‘affordable’ homes on sites in Papakura and Pukekohe as part of the Special Housing Area legislation, however they are becoming increasingly difficult to sell, O’Meeghan says.
Loan-to-value ratios (LVRs) put in place last September by the Reserve Bank and the Responsible Lending Code put in place in 2015 have had big impacts, Tatterson says.

Banks are permitted to make no more than 10 per cent of their residential owner occupier mortgage lending to borrowers with less than 20 per cent deposit and “many who may have qualified are missing out”.

It is “especially hard” for first-home buyers who are just over the income salary caps, she says.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/94256129/auckland-firsthome-buyers-facing-increasingly-more-difficult-hurdles

Recent data from property information and analytics provider CoreLogic shows in Auckland, investors are 43 per cent of the market while first-home buyers are just above 20 per cent.

The firm’s head of research Jonno Ingerson says the number of sales to first-home buyers was the lowest in 20 years.
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