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Keeping Stock

How’s that apology to people with Chinese-sounding surnames coming along Mr Twyford?

Around 82 per cent of houses in the country are being bought by New Zealand residents or citizens, Land Information NZ says.

Another 16 per cent of sales are to businesses or corporate entities, almost all of which were wholly owned by Kiwis.

The Government department released the latest data on sales to foreign tax residents today.

For the first time, it included information about buyers and sellers’ residency and citizenship status.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11867735

Labour’s xenophobic attack last year on people with Chinese-sounding names was a low point in this political cycle. Now it has been exposed for what it is; bullshit.
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June 2, 2017 8:01am
- cmm
  
  Apologise? Naah, just double down!
  
  Clearly the Chinese are changing their name to John Smith…. or trusts … or using their lawyers to front the purchase … or
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:06am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Yeah; I wonder how many secretive trusts Greg Presland has set up for people other than David Cunliffe
    
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    June 2, 2017 8:07am
    - holysheet
      
      Didn’t offer any help to Angry then? Doesn’t he like him?
      
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      June 2, 2017 8:38am
      - RF
        
        The word is that as Micky Savage was very pro Cunners during the scramble to the top, Angry took this as a personal insult.
        
        Micky Savage will always be a labour bridesmaid and never a bride.
        
        I think the expression is dog tucker.
        
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        June 2, 2017 9:24am
    - Jack5
      
      A couple of points:
      
      The housing bubble is in Auckland where 40 per cent or less of the people live so we can halve Keeping Stock’s “82 per cent”.
      
      Second the bubble is also occurring in Sydney and Vancouver, among other large Pacific rim cities. New South Wales has just doubled its stamp duty charges on foreign buyers to 8 per cent, and some blame foreign buyers for Canada’s bubble. If they are correct I doubt that Auckland is different.
      
      My thoughts are: is National for the whole country, or for the Auckland real estate industry?
      
      http://www.afr.com/real-estate/residential/nsw-doubles-foreign-home-buyers-tax-to-8pc-20170531-gwhr6w
      
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      June 2, 2017 10:50am
      - wiseowl
        
        National is for the corporate real estate agents and for China.
        
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        June 2, 2017 5:29pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  “residents ”
  
  These are where your yellow comrades are hiding.
  
  Your stats are bullshit.
  
  Do you even live in Auckland?
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:28am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Not even Winston Peters is suggesting that NZ residents should be precluded from buying houses here Jazz-Hands, so I’m not sure what your point is.
    
    And no; even though my wife and I own and manage two businesses in Auckland, we choose not to live there.
    
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    June 2, 2017 8:39am
  - VicParking
    
    Do you have to wear gumboots, a footy jersey and have a straw hanging out of your mouth before you can buy a house in NZ.
    
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    June 2, 2017 9:07am
  - Kea
    
    Once again I give Jazz-Hands Mc Feels a tick for being unpretentious and not trying to dress it up.
    
    I disagree with most of his stuff, but the rest of you could learn a thing or two from his credibility.
    
    Its NOT how you say it that matters. His views are no more extreme than many others here on KB. The extreme part is his honesty.
    
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    June 2, 2017 5:48pm
- EAD
  
  What’s the point of your story Keeping Stock?
  
  Is it another dig at “the left” in your eternal battle fought in the “left vs. right” paradigm or is that the status of “NZ resident” is very easy to get?
  
  Join the tens of thousands who get themselves a student visa, ostensibly to English, then use your “resident” status to purchase up NZ Real Estate and thus keep forcing the prices for locals higher?
  
  Our eyes don’t lie Keeping Stock –There are lies, damn lies and statistics.
  
  The facts are we have the highest house prices in the world relative to incomes + are suffering from all time record immigration. Waking up early to excitedly copy paste your pre written point scoring post as first of the day does not change a thing.
  
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  June 2, 2017 9:30am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD, take time and share your findings vsiting the Adelaide Institute ?
    
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    June 2, 2017 9:36am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    The point of the story EAD, is to embarrass Phil Twyford, who last year told us how many houses were being sold to people with “Chinese-sounding surnames”. Not only was that overt xenophobia from Labour’s housing spokesman; it’s also now proven to be bullshit.
    
    In any event, house prices in Auckland are softening as more new homes are built, as they did in Christchurch once wholesale construction came on stream. Once again, by labelling something as a “crisis”, Labour has ensured the housing problem will be solved, just as they did with manufacturing and dairying.
    
    Let’s just hope that no one from Labour ever declares Andrew Little’s leadership to be in “crisis”!
    
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    June 2, 2017 9:53am
    - EAD
      
      My point KS – is that people are getting rather tired of party politics.
      
      Shit still tastes like shit no matter who serves it up.
      
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      June 2, 2017 10:02am
- Reid
  
  Fuckin d’oh. The point is and always been HOW MANY HOUSES WERE BEING BOUGHT BY NOT JUST OVERSEAS CHINESE BUT NEWLY MINTED RESIDENTS FROM CHINA. And, duh, one of the main paths to their residency is via the student visas which they use to (a) get a job here after graduating then (b) bring in their families: e.g. their elderly parents who’ve never paid taxes here in their lives.
  
  And note that this data excluded people in that category.
  
  That’s always been the point but the media has always deliberately obfuscated it and people who don’t know any better always ignore it as well.
  
  If you don’t think immigration was the main driver between the Akld price growth between 2008-2015, then pray explain why we haven’t seen such growth in previous cycles, because we’ve never had a cycle like this, even tho Akld has had several previous, in the late 80’s and in the mid 90’s-early noughties.
  
  That’s the point, it’s always been the point, it’s not rocket science.
  
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  June 2, 2017 10:18am
  - VicParking
    
    How many years does a new resident have to be in NZ before they can buy a house Reid?
    Do they have to live in Car or the park first to qualify.
    
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    June 2, 2017 11:30am
    - Reid
      
      You obviously aren’t aware of the twenty-something Asians turning up to Epsom auctions and casually bidding up the price in $100k increments while on the phone to Dad, “somewhere in China.”
      
      Yes that really happened, a lot.
      
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      June 2, 2017 11:48am
      - Kea
        
        Yes indeed. I know because I have Chinese friends. They are the first to say it. I walked into an auction with a Chinese and they said right away who would win it. They were right. Some unpretentious young Chinese standing off to one side in the corner.
        
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        June 2, 2017 5:52pm
Paulus Gnome

The Auckland chip wrapper, as recommended and used by our Jacina in a previous business experience encoounter, tells me;

‘Nearly all houses sold to NZ citizens and residents, latest data shows’

‘Around 82 per cent of houses in the country are being bought by New Zealand residents or citizens, Land Information NZ says.

Another 16 per cent of sales are to businesses or corporate entities, almost all of which were wholly owned by Kiwis.

For the first time, it included information about buyers and sellers’ residency and citizenship status.

Until now, the statistics have been based solely on tax residency, and have consistently shown that around 3 per cent of houses were sold to offshore tax residents.’

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11867735

‘Of the houses sold to offshore tax residents, Chinese and Australians made up the biggest share of purchases.

National has ruled out restricting house sales to non-residents, while Labour wants to ban sales to people living offshore.’

Phil, Phil, calling Phil Twyford, come in twatty; not here? Stepped out for a chinky you say?

Anything but W o O
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June 2, 2017 8:01am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I beat both you and WoO Paulus 😀
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:08am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I can live with that, the ‘musing’ copy and pastes posted by WoO not quite so much
    
    It’s POETS day so I am happy, road trip to NP tomorrow in Mercedes which I just love to drive ?
    
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    June 2, 2017 8:30am
    - VicParking
      
      I’m James Shaw will be pleased. Put your foot down for all us on KB.
      
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      June 2, 2017 9:09am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I will not disappoint, I am anticipating some 30 kph on the Auckland motorway, just about the speed where all the air is sucked out of ones lungs and you die
        
        Might keep the windows closed and aircon on
        
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        June 2, 2017 11:07am
Garbageman

1st today sorry William TGIF
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June 2, 2017 8:02am
- Garbageman
  
  Damn 3rd heart broken my 15mins done & dusted sniff
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:06am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    We can share, the purported purveyor of all things evil in the world showed that a three way handshake is OK between the bro’s, a trifle awkward perhaps but achievable and acceptable all the same
    
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    June 2, 2017 8:34am
duggledog

Paula Bennett says the US backing out of the Paris Climate Accord is bad news.

Yep, because it signals the intent of a hard liner who is finally going to cut through the bullshit and forge a new destiny for the world’s most powerful nation, who we should be closely aligned with, not China.

Can’t afford to ditch China. Can’t afford to ditch the US. What to do, especially when one is in charge of a nation of dependents Paula?

On the topic of China, Keeping Stock – nonetheless, I challenge you to find any house auction in Auckland without a number of Chinese (or Indians for that matter) who are not only bidding but winning the auction. It’s been that way for years. Just because you’re born in a stable doesn’t make you a horse.

You don’t see it in Wanganui so much I guess.
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June 2, 2017 8:03am
- JIV
  
  So China, India, Russia, USA, all of South America, Africa and Asia do not have to do anything for the Paris Agreement. Its up to Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and parts of Europe to control the worlds climate. Really?? Can this really be such a crisis if most of the world can openly ignore it.
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:08am
  - waikatosinger
    
    Cost to New Zealand of Paris = 1.4 billion a year for the next ten years (14 billion dollars). The reduction in global temperatures that will result from this is however too small to measure. I wish we’d get out of Paris too. What a waste of a money.
    
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/05/new-zealand-to-spend-14-billion-to-meet-paris-agreement-targets.html
    
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    June 2, 2017 10:31am
- Chris R
  
  Paula Bennett is generally out of her depth, but on the climate change rort she is particularly ignorant. Try putting her in front of those who actually bother to ponder a topic and she sinks. Unfortunately National seems content to allow her to be a spokesman on everything which leads to the conclusion that she stands for nothing.Trump is to be applauded for being the first leader to peel back the absurdity of the Paris Accord.
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:09am
- 4077th
  
  The deafening hypocrisy from Elon Musk and Tim Cook was something to behold. Both trying to paint a very green picture about their respective companies all the while being some of the greatest contributors to environmental pollution. Trump delivering on his promises..good!
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:15am
  - Gruffydd
    
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
    Elon Musk‏Verified account @elonmusk 17m17 minutes ago
    
    Am departing presidential councils. Climate change is real. Leaving Paris is not good for America or the world.
    
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    June 2, 2017 8:20am
    - JIV
      
      Eion Musk has just realised the gravy train has stopped at the White House so has decided to walk away with his $5 billion of government donations.
      
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      June 2, 2017 8:24am
      - Gruffydd
        
        http://charged.io/tesla-model-s-outsells-s-class-7-series-a8-panamera-combined/the USA last year
        Tesla Model S outsells S-Class, 7 Series, A8 and Panamera, combined! in the USA last year .
        Make Americas great… Take more jobs from those Germans car manufacturers.
        
        Opps our Luddites hate electric cars.
        
        Griff loves cars.
        2.7 seconds to 100 kph in a full size luxury sedan that can drive itself.
        Eight year drive train warranty and runs on a dribble of hydro power.
        Awesome.
        Whats not to like.
        
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        June 2, 2017 9:12am
      - Jack5
        
        There goes Gruffydd again: “Griff loves cars.”
        
        What was the point of the name change, Griff? Is it something to do with the Lions tour?
        
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        June 2, 2017 11:58am
      - Gruffydd
        
        I am locked out of both my usual email account and KB log in after I left my laptop to close to a open window and it drowned .The hard copy’s are still scrawled on the office wall at dads old place.
        Hence I needed to create a new identity to comment.
        
        I don’t do sock puppets unlike some trolls.
        
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        June 2, 2017 2:20pm
    - CHFR
      
      So says the man whose whole fortune relies on the scam, good riddance I say.
      
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      June 2, 2017 8:27am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Yeah, let’s see how Tesla goes without the Govt. subsidy.
        
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        June 2, 2017 8:43am
    - VicParking
      
      Hes happy most of his employees are chinese.
      
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      June 2, 2017 9:12am
  - Lance
    
    So the manufacture of Tesla’s and some experimental rockets create more environmental damage than all other companies/ entities ?
    You might not like his ethics etc but FFS get a bloody grip on reality
    
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    June 2, 2017 8:26am
    - 4077th
      
      Tesla Model3 to be made in China this year. So much for caring about the environment eh!
      
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      June 2, 2017 9:05am
      - Lance
        
        That wasn’t what you said, you said Tesla’s create more environmental damage than any other industry. Which was utter BS
        
        Now you are shifting the narrative to make it look like you were correct.
        
        Answering Musk is a hypocrite to the supposition Tesla’s are the worlds biggest polluters is at best illogical debating.
        
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        June 2, 2017 9:27am
      - 4077th
        
        Boo hoo Lance, I did not say that. Perhaps you should read more carefully. I said “some of” don’t put words in my mouth. It is you and your impotent tears of rage you cannot see through that has contributed to your lies about what I said.
        
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        June 2, 2017 9:34am
  - prosper
    
    I have heard that Musk receives enormous subsidies from the U.S government as well as having his cars subsidised so he would object wouldn’t he.
    
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    June 2, 2017 12:37pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Trump has done more for the US in one day than Obama did in eight years. This is why it’s generally better to elect a Republican, even if he’s an idiot in many ways.
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:32am
  - Lance
    
    So Nigel….
    Do you think Trump is an idiot?
    Albeit a useful one?
    
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    June 2, 2017 8:41am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Withdrawal from the Paris Accord a great day for moon and fruit bats .
  
  2nd June 2017 indelibly marked, honsoured and remembered as Trumpists climate denial fruitbat day.
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:55am
  - GazzaW
    
    The withdrawal was announced 1 June stephie so I hope to hell you didn’t indelibly mark your calendar on 2 June. Remember the dateline?
    
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    June 2, 2017 9:22am
    - Kleva Kiwi
      
      Stephie probably has had all the 1st’s removed from his calender’s as him and his wingnut apologists believe nobody should come first and everybody should get a participation certificate
      
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      June 2, 2017 9:43am
- Happychappy
  
  Wow did Winston pen that for you, sounds like one of his ready made scripts with the racial features signature.
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:56am
- GazzaW
  
  How long before the Greens, anti-US lobbyists and anti-Trumpeters start calling for trade embargoes and boycotts of US goods? We have plenty of them amongst us and a willing MSM to stir them up.
  
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  June 2, 2017 9:15am
Inandout

Al Gore is sure to be dumping his environment shares, and his cash cow will run dry. Trump’s ‘renegotiation’ will trim the rorts, and the ripples will be found around the world. Perhaps the UN next?
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June 2, 2017 8:05am
- cmm
  
  Poor hypocritical Al gore.
  
  Where will he find the money to fuel up his private jet or pay the huge energy bills he needs for his 10,000 square foot house.
  
  I’m suppose he’s still raking in enough from being an Apple board member.
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:14am
mikenmild

Happy International Sex Workers Day!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Whores%27_Day
Could be a big night in Hagley Park.
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June 2, 2017 8:07am
- Keeping Stock
  
  You’re telling the story mikenmild. Are you going there?
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:09am
  - VicParking
    
    He’s customer of the year. Tonight he gets presented with the goldern condom.
    
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    June 2, 2017 9:14am
    - GazzaW
      
      Probably hoping that they will be giving free samples. He’ll need to be home in time to make mum a nice cup of cocoa.
      
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      June 2, 2017 9:25am
      - Jack5
        
        Not Hagley Park, but Manchester Street’s residential end is where the hookers are, Milky.
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11832954
        
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        June 2, 2017 12:01pm
- cmm
  
  That reminds me I must go check the ewes in the back paddock this week end.
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:16am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Keep them safe in case Johnboy goes a-wandering!
    
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    June 2, 2017 8:59am
    - cmm
      
      They all have chastity belts, but I keep the key :-).
      
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      June 2, 2017 9:29am
    - mara
      
      Johnboy counting his sheep, 1, 2, 3, hello darling, 5, 6 ………
      
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      June 2, 2017 12:02pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Happy Hookers Day Mikenmild!
  
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  June 2, 2017 10:46am
BarryB

Well the second half of the year is looking up.

Goff’s bed tax is a new concept coming from a council.
Finally we are starting to see the application of user pays instead of the usual habit of socializing the cost (and privatizing the profit)

The bed tax is simply getting those who benefit (like the hotels that are putting room rates up to $1000 a night for the Lions tour) to pay for the money spent to promote the accommodation industry in Auckland.

Now if we start to see those who mess up rivers starting to pay – then it will be very good. At the moment I pay hundreds of dollars a year to help clean up the Waikato – but I didnt put cow shit and nitrogen and various other crap into the river.
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June 2, 2017 8:08am
- waikatogirl
  
  Jacindar says the ACC should have also been trumpeting the introduction of a Living Wage to all their eligible workers also voted for yesterday.
  
  WOW, higher rates for Aucklanders!
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:49am
- Rich Prick
  
  Actually, Goff has socialised the cost of running its promotional CCO to the rest of New Zealand. That’s if you consider those of us who are domestic travellers. Day trips from now on Phil.
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:51am
  - stephieboy
    
    Rich Prick , as a matter of interest how many alt right mooobat Mayors in NZ ( like you ) hold office ?
    
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    June 2, 2017 9:05am
    - Rich Prick
      
      What’s with the abuse today? I know Ramadan is a miserable time, but really? BTW, I’m not a Mayor, nor do I aspire to such a low paid job.
      
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      June 2, 2017 9:20am
- VicParking
  
  Were do you think the crap you have every morning go’s?
  
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  June 2, 2017 9:15am
- cmm
  
  If the purpose of the tax is to increase funding for advertising as a tourist/entertainment destination then they should also be taxing all the other businesses that benefit:
  * movie houses
  * resturants/bars/cafe’s
  * maraes that make money out of cultural tourism
  * etc etc etc
  
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  June 2, 2017 9:34am
  - Kimbo
    
    Nope. The purpose of a well-implemented tax is pragmatic: to collect the funds with the least compliance and policing costs.
    
    Bed taxes are a standard feature overseas so they are not that much of deal-breaker for prospective visitors (and if they are so cheap that they are, likely better for them to stay at home),
    
    …they are easily passed on in full by hotels to their customers, so it is like charging GST,
    
    …and easily collected and policed. The myriad of other industries and businesses you mention (“etc etc etc”)…not so.
    
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    June 2, 2017 12:36pm
  - Paulus
    
    I understand that it going into the ACC coffers – not directly to fund ATT Tourism as we were led to understand.
    
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    June 2, 2017 1:34pm
- KevOB
  
  “bed tax”.
  
  Exactly. The right to tax is vested in parliament. Any QC can give an opinion showing how the law could support a client’s desires. That;s their training. A matter like this of country wide significance belongs in Parliament.
  It may also find its way to the Supreme Court too.
  
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  June 2, 2017 10:32am
- waikatosinger
  
  At the moment I pay hundreds of dollars a year to help clean up the Waikato
  
  Interesting. What do you spend those hundreds of dollars on.
  
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  June 2, 2017 10:58am
duggledog

JIV

Wait till you see what the Indians have planned. Their industrial expansion and resulting environmental carnage will dwarf China’s.

The world’s main problem is not climate change it’s over-population in the 3rd World and resulting pollution.

That will kill us all long before the high tide swamps those houses on Takapuna Beach my friend
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June 2, 2017 8:11am
- JIV
  
  I disagree. I think the worlds biggest problem is ignoring actual environmental issues. Whenever anything happens Global Warming gets blamed with Al Gore demanding all the worlds money to fix it. If we spent the money on actual problems and actual research we would improve the world little by little. Global Warming has syphoned all the green money into shysters pockets and all we’ve got are empty promises, and inefficient power generators.
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:29am
- Lance
  
  That’s true duggledog
  I have always thought polluting our atmosphere is not helping global warming, which sets me at odds with most colourful commentators here.
  BUT
  I have also said China, India et al will make any efforts by the West a complete waste of time and we will be giving our money to a rort.
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:33am
  - Gruffydd
    
    The world doesn’t need the US to lead climate change action – China will do it instead
    
    China peaked its coal use in 2013. Since then, they have become the world’s biggest solar market and have been poised to adopt America’s climate leadership role in the event of them pulling out of Paris.
    China is now home to two-thirds of the world’s solar production
    
    Similarly, India has recently announced it won’t build any new coal plants after 2022 and forecasts that renewables will generate 57% of their power by 2027, far exceeding their Paris pledge.
    
    In scaling back climate action, Trump the populist is picking an unpopular policy. A US poll has found that 71% of Americans support staying within the agreement, including 57% of Republicans.
    There is no doubt that Trump’s decision to leave the Paris Agreement is symbolic of his profoundly irresponsible attitude to his duty to protect our precious natural inheritance for future generations. But climate action has an unstoppable economic and political momentum around the world. Fortunately, Trump’s ability to cause lasting damage will be limited.
    
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/31/world-doesnt-need-us-lead-climate-change-action-china-will/
    
    Follow the money .
    China is a bigger trading partner than the USA .
    New Zealand will not follow the USA down its isolated path our trade with Europe and China is far more compelling.
    
    The USA is isolating itself from the rest of the world
    
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    June 2, 2017 9:51am
    - prosper
      
      I wouldn’t necessarily believe the Chinese figures.
      
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      June 2, 2017 12:43pm
- stephieboy
  
  duggledog , so we can be reassured by fruitbat Trumpists like you that over population and costal erosion has nothing do with climate change and effects ?
  
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  June 2, 2017 9:09am
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    Coastal erosion has been happening for billions of years. Where do you think all the sedimentary rock came from.
    
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    June 2, 2017 9:19am
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      Perhaps a wee picture might help
      http://geologycafe.com/images/rock_cycle_big.jpg
      
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      June 2, 2017 11:54am
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    I always find it amusing when you try and throw around insults. “fruitbat” is an apt one.
    Fruitbats have excellent vision and very heightened senses.
    This is useful for sniffing out idiots like yourself and calling them out, and perceiving the world around us for what it is. Its also good for spotting obvious bad deals and general bulls*&t.
    Fruitbats also have almost no natural predators, which is why the liberal/left struggle so bad to attack or debate them.
    Fruitbats are also considered to be one of the most intelligent species of bats.
    So go and continue to call people you disagree with as fruitbats. Us fruitbats will continue to ridicule you and you wingnut mates at every turn
    
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    June 2, 2017 9:55am
    - Gruffydd
      
      Wingnut.
      
      Being a wingnut requires a particularly paranoid worldview, teetering on the edge of or falling wholesale into tinfoil hat territory, as wingnuttery causes the victim to refuse to accept any source of information that doesn’t back up their prejudices (essentially, wingnuts are almost always authoritarian as well as being politically right-wing). Constant gibbering about the “liberal media” as well as a slavish devotion to cognitive dissonance, conspiracy theories, global warming denialism, psychological projection, and crackpot theories of economics (i.e. Austrian school) are also, if not required, at the very least nearly universal symptoms. This is all usually accompanied by a side dish of a severe persecution complex. Not all wingnuts are racists, misogynists, homophobes, or transphobes, though many racists, misogynists, homophobes, and transphobes are also wingnuts.
      
      The word you are searching for is moon bat.
      
      Moonbat is a snarl word referring to anyone whom the speaker considers unreasonably far to the left, analogous to “wingnut.” The word’s definition has undergone a confusing bifurcation: conservatives use it to describe pretty much any moderates and liberals,[1] and liberals use it to refer to batshittery within their own camp — not just extreme left-wingers, but also cranks and conspiracy theorists.
      …….
      In the last few years, the term “moonbat” has also come to refer to those individuals who subscribe to conspiracy theories regardless of political affiliation. Typically, such individuals have little regard for rational discourse, lack the ability to provide credible sources to support their arguments, and fail to demonstrate an elementary understanding of the fields they make claims about.
      
      Most likely, the term has come to such an understanding due to the “screeching” such people do about a given conspiracy theory while unable to intelligently convey a legitimate reason for accepting it as fact.
      
      http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moonbat
      
      Seems that you are a wingnutted moonbat Kleva
      Just think of the funding you could blag being such a rare species.
      
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      June 2, 2017 10:28am
      - Kleva Kiwi
        
        Your contract-dict yourself in your own quotes Gruffy big tits.
        From your quotes your trying to paint me as a delusional conspiracy theorist and an extreme left moron.
        Yet you pedal out the most uneducated nonsense on these forums and essentially devalue any conversation with your irrational insights into the devolved and perpetually misinformed.
        Why don’t you wander off somewhere where somebody might care about your fantasy world view
        
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        June 2, 2017 4:21pm
      - starboard
        
        oohh massive face palm, better than mm’s recent one. A piece of steak for that bruise gwiff? Incidentally..hows the northern utopia going?
        
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        June 2, 2017 4:44pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Kleva, stephie got the same treatment from me this morning when he called me a “moonbat”. ?
      
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      June 2, 2017 10:40am
      - Kleva Kiwi
        
        If we continually redefine ever insult these mentally deficient people make, maybe they will go away. They add no value to the conversation and don’t even bring rational argument to the table.
        It would be different if they actually could piece together some logic to their authoritarian statements, but I guess that’s too much to ask.
        
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        June 2, 2017 4:25pm
- VicParking
  
  JIV: Great, Climate change does have some benifits.
  
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  June 2, 2017 9:16am
Hugh Pavletich

Should Australia’s banks worry about Auckland’s bubble? – MacroBusiness Australia
… behind paywall …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/06/australias-banks-worry-aucklands-bubble/

By Leith van Onselen

This site has frequently noted how Australia’s banking system is inextricably linked to Australia’s sovereign credit rating, and that if the Commonwealth Government is downgraded, then it will automatically result in the Big Four banks being downgraded, in turn raising their funding costs as well as mortgage rates. … read more via hyperlink above …

… Pavletich comment on MB article thread above …

Hugh Pavletich
June 2, 2017 at 5:44 am

At the bubble peak 2007 in Ireland, the average median multiple for its metros was 4.7. In subsequent years it crashed to 2.8 putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring a bailout (2015 figures) of in excess of 70 billion euros.

Australia’s average median multiple for its metros is currently about 5.5 … New Zealand 5.9.

Refer the schedule of Demographia International Housing Affordability Surveys at my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .

Following the Irish housing bubble collapse, research by the Central Bank of Ireland found high loan to income lending a far greater problem than high loan to value lending.

It then imposed a general loan to household income cap of 3.5. The Bank of England had earlier generally capped at 4.6 times.

Then there is the California experience too … which triggered the Global Financial Crisis. I touched on aspects of this March 2010 …

Housing Bubbles: Jumbo Mortgages = Jumbo Problems | Hugh Pavletich | Scoop News

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1003/S00019.htm

High multiple lending is just lethal.

It is the excessive ‘multiple stretch’ that puts them all (households and financial institutions) to the wall.

In normal markets housing should not cost more than 3.0 times annual household incomes requiring mortgage loads of about 2.5 times … refer again to the Demographia Surveys.

A recent Interest Co NZ report …

Lower house prices and static mortgage rates improved housing affordability substantially in many parts of the country in April | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/87977/lower-house-prices-and-static-mortgage-rates-improved-housing-affordability

… extracts …

… The biggest falls occurred in Auckland where the lower quartile price in the Central Auckland suburbs fell from $772,400 in March to $721,500 in April.

On the North Shore it dropped from $821,700 to $767,900, and in South Auckland it fell from $694,500 to $675,300. In West Auckland it dropped from $680,300 to $657,800.

Across the entire Auckland region the lower quartile selling price was $700,800, which means it has now fallen back to below where it was at the start of the summer selling season in October last year when it was $710,400.

On Auckland’s North Shore the lower quartile price is now the lowest it has been since April last year, and in West Auckland it is the lowest it has been since March last year. …

… In Canterbury the lower quartile price dropped from $372,500 in March to $367,100 in April, which means it has fallen for two months in a row from its peak of $389,200 set in February. … read more via hyperlink above …
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June 2, 2017 8:13am
- Keeping Stock
  
  What do you have to say about the LINZ report that was released yesterday Hugh. Do you accept the data that 98% of New Zealand houses are sold to NZ residents, citizens or corporate entities that are wholly Kiwi owned?
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:33am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Keeping Stock … thanks for drawing the LINZ report to my attention.
    
    Who buys the stuff is of no particular interest to me though.
    
    My focus is on the structural aspects of housing markets.
    
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    June 2, 2017 9:37am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Too early Hugh, in fact, it is always too early for the copy and paste ‘the world is coming to an end’ diatribe and is wearing as thin as the stephie teams shrill calls for ‘sources’
  
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  June 2, 2017 9:01am
  - RF
    
    Saw an old guy standing on the street corner holding a sign… “The end of the world is coming”.
    
    Was that Hugh ?
    
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    June 2, 2017 9:48am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      RP … Not me … Shayne Elliott at the ANZ I think you may have seen. …
      
      Offshore funders freaked by bubble … MacroBusiness Australia (behind paywall) …
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/06/offshore-funders-freaked-bubble/
      
      ANZ has some good news for us. The offshore lenders that enable the housing bubble are getting nervous:
      
      London-based investors in Australia’s banks are fretting about the risk that several small and seemingly well-intentioned changes in housing market policies combine to create a sharp property market correction.
      
      ANZ Banking Group chief executive Shayne Elliott, who has just returned from a week in London, said investors there are also worried that high levels of household debt have lifted housing market risk and that the government might seek to raise revenue from other sectors following the budget’s surprise bank tax.
      
      The Australian banks rely on foreign investors to fund the $400 billion gap between domestic deposits and overall lending to the economy. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      June 2, 2017 9:55am
      - Reid
        
        You’re on the money Hugh, keep it up.
        
        These fools don’t get it.
        
        Add a few % in interest and watch the bankruptcies.
        
        Stop the lending full stop because of an overseas credit crunch and watch Aucklander’s retirement funds disappear in a heartbeat.
        
        Key used immigration to increase the level of household debt to bring it more into line with the overseas markers because after 2008 NZ and Aus wasn’t high enough, for the big one. That was his job as NZ PM and he did his master’s bidding.
        
        It’s all ready to pull.
        
        Whenever they like.
        
        And they will, very soon indeed.
        
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        June 2, 2017 10:27am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Reid … They will ‘get it’ … hard and fast.
        
        They wont know what the hell hit them.
        
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        June 2, 2017 10:47am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        And as for the deplorable Resource Management Amendment Act … well … the sooner this Government is thrown out the better …
        
        15 things you need to know about the Resource Legislation Amendment Act & iwi participation
        (By Stephen Franks and Pam McMillan)
        http://localgovernmentmag.co.nz/lg-magazine/legal/mana-whakahono-a-rohe/
        
        I am in awe at the constant incompetence of this supposedly centre-right government.
        
        Do check out the GONE GONE GOING section at my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
        
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        June 2, 2017 10:56am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Latest from Interest Co NZ today … as the pressures intensifies …
        
        Big banks’ net interest margins take a hit in the March quarter with cost-to-income ratios also under some pressure | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/business/88058/big-banks-net-interest-margins-take-hit-march-quarter-cost-income-ratios-also-under
        
        Shock, horror, the RBNZ concludes banks’ ability to attract household deposit funding is sensitive to the interest rates they offer savers | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/business/88069/shock-horror-rbnz-concludes-banks-ability-attract-deposit-funding-sensitive-interest
        
        Adrienne Duarte, BNZ’s chief financial officer, to leave the bank next month … Interest Co NZ
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/business/88085/adrienne-duarte-bnzs-chief-financial-officer-leave-bank-next-month
        
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        June 2, 2017 12:35pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        The number of homes available for sale in Auckland up 51% on last year. Stock also up in Waikato, Bay of Plenty, Wellington and Canterbury | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88080/number-homes-available-sale-auckland-51-last-year-stock-also-waikato-bay-plenty
        
        Buyers are increasingly gaining the upper hand in the Auckland housing market as the number of homes listed for sale in the region hit its highest level for the month of May in the last five years.
        
        Property website Realestate.co.nz said it had a total of 8622 Auckland residential properties available for sale at the end of May, compared to just 5718 at the end of May last year, a 51% increase.
        
        It was the most properties Realestate.co.nz has had listed as available for sale in the month of May for the last five years (see table below).
        
        The increase in stock available for sale in Auckland comes as the number of homes being listed in Auckland rises, but the number of homes being sold each month falls.
        
        Realestate.co.nz received 3690 new listings of homes for sale in May, compared to 3544 in April and 3422 in May last year, giving an increase of 7.8% compared to a year earlier. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        June 2, 2017 1:57pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Cool change welcome after five years of housing heat … Turi Condon … The Australian
        … google search title if blocked …
        
        http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/property/cool-change-welcome-after-five-years-of-housing-heat/news-story/d784109cebea500be6192de5feebfafa
        
        … extract …
        
        … Values in Melbourne fell 1.7 per cent last month to a median price of $665,000. Sydney’s prices dropped 1.3 per cent to $872,300 during May, the second monthly fall for the city, according to -researcher CoreLogic. Prices in Brisbane increased 0.3 per cent for the month, Adelaide was up 0.8 per cent and Perth’s house prices¬ fell 0.4 per cent.
        
        The market peaked in February after prices had surged by 75 per cent in Sydney since 2012 and by more than 55 per cent in Melbourne.
        
        AMP chief economist Shane Oliver said he believed price growth in the two capitals had topped out.
        
        “While it’s dangerous, given the volatility in monthly data and seasonal influences, to read too much into one month’s numbers, it looks like the combination of surging unit supply, bank rate hikes, tightening lending stand¬ards, reduced property investor deductions, ever tighter restrictions around foreign buyers and all the talk about a bubble bursting are driving a downturn in the Sydney and Melbourne property cycles,” Dr Oliver said. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        … Auckland housing bubble bursts …
        
        The number of homes available for sale in Auckland up 51% on last year. Stock also up in Waikato, Bay of Plenty, Wellington and Canterbury | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88080/number-homes-available-sale-auckland-51-last-year-stock-also-waikato-bay-plenty
        
        Lower house prices and static mortgage rates improved housing affordability substantially in many parts of the country in April … Interest Co NZ
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/87977/lower-house-prices-and-static-mortgage-rates-improved-housing-affordability
        
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        June 3, 2017 7:16am
- KevOB
  
  Thanks. Not everybody likes well informed economic commentary. It is easier to enjoy the present than consider how transitory that is. This is not a time to extending risk.
  
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  June 2, 2017 10:35am
oldpark

At last President Trump tells it like it is on the great climate change hoax. He has exited the present Paris so called climate change accord. Perhaps the USA will renegoiate a better type of arrangement on payments,to who gets what. Enough of their decision,at the moment. Who or what has committed NZ, to a notional amount of annually, a payment of ONE BILLION 400 MILLION DOLLARS to no one can say to who. Our great crime NZs, on the global warming stakes ,are “point two of one percent emmissions. President Trump, has revisited the Paris climate change accord ,and found a notional slush fund up to 450Billion Dollars ,yet know one seems to know,whose pockets will be lined.Maybe NZ should also revisit the accord,and explain to NZs taxpayers, who will get our hard earned ONE point 4 BILLION DOLLARS annually.
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June 2, 2017 8:18am
- stephieboy
  
  oldpark ,bring on the teaching of bible in schools and banning of evolution in the same .
  
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  June 2, 2017 9:11am
  - oldpark
    
    Sounds like you are up for a discussion. Can we start with Mohammed marrying a nine year old child ,or how about talking about the Manchester islamic terrorist.Or even the murderous Quran book of questionable quotes. Or even yourself, maybe you really are a girl.
    
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    June 2, 2017 9:23am
    - Inandout
      
      Muslim trans do exist.
      
      http://www.dailywire.com/news/5902/uk-soldier-became-first-transgender-gay-muslim-aaron-bandler#
      
      ‘Vallender eventually married a Muslim man, who didn’t know that Vallender was a transgender until after the wedding. But being a transgender gay Muslim woman hasn’t been all sunshine and unicorns for Vallender, as he faced some harsh treatment from members of his mosque.
      
      “The way they treated me was disgusting,” Vallender said. “They asked me questions about my bra cup size, asked about my Adam’s apple, about my period and asked to see my birth certificate. They said I had to pray with the men so I left and pray at home instead.”
      
      Must have been a surprise for the Muslim husband on the honeymoon bed.
      
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      June 2, 2017 12:00pm
  - Kleva Kiwi
    
    What in the hell has that got to do with anything?
    How can you possibly make the jump from withdrawing from a toothless accord that extorts billions for almost no gain to introducing random religion into our schools?
    I suppose you would want Islam taught in schools too? Will we have to swear to kill all Jews and deny the world is older than a few thousand years?
    
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    June 2, 2017 10:02am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      What in the hell has that got to do with anything?
      
      I think it is fairly clear (taking 19,057 comments into consideration) that stephieboy hasn’t discovered the meaning of debate.
      
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      June 2, 2017 11:43am
BarryB

Dear Mr Trump. CONGRATULATIONS.

The US will withdraw from the Paris accord and start to reopen discussions to form a new accord WITH THE INTERESTS OF THE USA to the fore.
Yes it could be bit crappy for some European countries but you are doing what you said you would and work to protect US citizens. And it’s a pity our government didn’t take the same approach. (eg: the MP Bennett saying that the answer to low wages was to introduce Tipping. She should be euthanized for such a stupid idea)

The climate matter has a history of so much dishonesty I am surprised anyone took it seriously. Yes climate is changing and there is now no doubt that sea levels will rise and temperature will go up. It will be messy.
But with instances like the one in the UK where scientists promoted the idea that anyone who questioned climate change should be charged with treason then it’s a wonder anyone took the claims of those scientists seriously. And then theres That Mann guy in the US who thinks suing anyone who questioned his shonky claims is the way forward.

I was with a group of people last weekend and the subject of Trump came up – and their reaction was interesting. Almost without exception the feeling was: Its not Trump that we need to worry about, its WHY he got voted in that’s the elephant in the room.
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June 2, 2017 8:21am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  “work to protect US citizens”
  
  WHITE WORKING CLASS US citizens to be specific. They are his supporters who have sent him in to demolish the Globohomos.
  
  The enemies of the white working class are the denizens of urban America – liberal single white cat ladies, Dindu Nuffins, hipsters, trannies etc.
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:36am
  - Rich Prick
    
    You’ve just described that bit between Haight-Ashbury and The Castro, which is where they all seem to live.
    
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    June 2, 2017 9:05am
    - stephieboy
      
      Rich Prick , the day you saw the light and became a fruitbat ?
      
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      June 2, 2017 9:14am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Oh look, stephie has a new term of endearment. There’s an acronym that starts with a G and ends with Y.
        
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        June 2, 2017 9:28am
      - Kleva Kiwi
        
        That’s some evolutional jump there. I know humans and fruit bats are both mammals, but last time I checked humans couldn’t even fly let alone had wings…
        
        On another note, do you think insulting anybody with whom you disagree with (and it sounds like its the vast majority of the world) is going to be productive in any manner? Do you anticipate they will just wake up one day and think, hey this guy on the interwebs calls me names all the time. Maybe I need to be more like him…
        
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        June 2, 2017 4:31pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “WHITE WORKING CLASS US citizens to be specific ” ?
    
    .Of course Jews , Blacks , Hispanics , Asians are excluded ?
    
    No surprises there from another leading moon bat !
    
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    June 2, 2017 9:13am
    - GazzaW
      
      Stephie you need to get over your fixation with bats. This is the seventh post this morning where you have mentioned bats of either the fruit or moon variety.
      
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      June 2, 2017 9:37am
    - Garbageman
      
      hey stoooopidboy if you intend on spending the day abusing KBers then at least have the good grace to find some new material SSDD (same shit different day) but then no surprises I guess limited intellect usually = limited vocabulary as is evidenced by your last 19000 comments
      
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      June 2, 2017 9:51am
  - 4077th
    
    In other words, everyone in California.
    
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    June 2, 2017 9:15am
- KevOB
  
  Tipping
  We have been pleased and proud that NZ was not a tipping nation. Keep it that way.
  
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  June 2, 2017 10:41am
- howitis
  
  http://anthro.palomar.edu/homo/homo_3.htm
  
  well worth a read
  
  There are graphs and detailed analysis
  eg
  …All later species of Homo (humans) evolved during the Pleistocene (2,600,000-11,700 years ago). This was generally a time of more extreme world cooling and recurrent glaciations (ice ages). During the coldest periods, global temperatures dropped by about 9º F. (5º C.) and long-lasting ice sheets spread out from the poles and high mountains. Between the four or more major glaciations of the Pleistocene, there were interglacial warming periods with temperatures similar to now. Both the glacials and the interglacials lasted tens of thousands of years. Very likely, we are now in an interglacial that began 10,000-12,000 years ago….
  
  …Sea levels were up to 450 feet (137 m.) lower than today during the coldest periods as a result of a substantial volume of the world’s water being locked on the continents in 1-2 mile (ca. 1.5-3 km.) thick glacial sheets covering thousands of square miles…
  
  Riiight, so let’s tax a couple of countries that got their shite together 150 years ago while the vast majority of slow-to-get-off-their-butt polluters pay nothing. duh!
  
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  June 2, 2017 11:26am
lastmanstanding

Dont get excited about Team NZ wins. Because if they beat Oracle in the Cup final the rules will be change retrospectively so the Team with the least wins wins the Cup.

And that folks sums up the ethics and morals around the Americas Cup.
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June 2, 2017 8:29am
- 4077th
  
  Lest we forget Dennis Connor!
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY64VBbbgjU
  
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  June 2, 2017 9:25am
Tarquin North

The Blues are playing in Apia tonight but they won’t play in Whangarei. Not enough photo ops for SBW up this way? They really are a sad joke and higher up on the table than they deserve to be. Toll stadium will be packed when the Lions play tomorrow -can’t wait, bring it on!
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June 2, 2017 8:33am
- Keeping Stock
  
  To be fair Tarquin, who would you rather have playing at Toll Stadium this season; the Blues or the Lions?
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:35am
- MCos
  
  SBW isn’t playing in Apia
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:54am
  - holysheet
    
    The useless prick doesn’t “Play” anywhere. Its all about him, not the game of rugby.
    
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    June 2, 2017 10:47am
gump

The UK economy has officially become the worst performing economy in the G7 following Brexit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-worst-performing-advanced-economy-world-post-brexit-slump-election-pound-sterling-a7766286.html
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June 2, 2017 8:34am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Globohomo propaganda.
  
  Same Eurofags who tells us their banks are in awesome shape.
  
  #FakeNews
  
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  June 2, 2017 8:37am
  - Lance
    
    Jazz-Hands
    You seem deeply antagonistic to homosexuals, even paranoid that they are everywhere and out to get you.
    I recommend you urgently see a shrink
    
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    June 2, 2017 8:45am
    - sam green
      
      Jazz-hands is homosexual. All the posturing is merely a smokescreen.
      
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      June 2, 2017 10:30am
      - Lance
        
        Or self loathing
        
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        June 2, 2017 11:34am
  - Lance
    
    Some more advice
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMsrE-9CLFg
    
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    June 2, 2017 8:51am
- VicParking
  
  Wohoo Great Britian is the 7th best performing country out of 197.
  
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  June 2, 2017 9:22am
  - gump
    
    The British economy is ranked 19th in the world for GDP per capita, and its GDP growth rate is only 19th out if the 28 nations in the EU common market.
    
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    June 2, 2017 2:02pm
Monique Watson

Great move by Trump. By the way, Covfefe means “in the end we win”.
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June 2, 2017 8:42am
Huevon

Listening to Paula Bennett in RNZ this morning, it’s clear that our government doesn’t take the Paris Accord seriously either (they just aren’t as blatant as Trump is).

Bennett is clearly one of the thickest individuals ever to serve as a Minister of the Crown in this country (and there is some stiff competition in that category). Basically, her response was…feelings. God help us.
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June 2, 2017 8:45am
- VicParking
  
  Yes she did go down like a cup of sick this morning.
  Never mind she will look good in a hijab.
  
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  June 2, 2017 9:24am
Maggy Wassilieff

Bilderberg meeting taking place in Virginia, USA this weekend

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.html
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June 2, 2017 8:47am
- calendar girl
  
  Thanks, Maggy; very informative.
  
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  June 2, 2017 9:11am
- stephieboy
  
  Maggy Wassilieff ,
  
  Alex Jones Infowars ,
  
  EXCLUSIVE: BILDERBERG SCHEMES TO OVERTHROW TRUMP
  
  Elitists begin effort to reverse America-first revolution and Brexit
  
  https://www.infowars.com/exclusive-bilderberg-schemes-to-overthrow-trump/
  
  You appear to wonder down some very strange paths ?
  
  LOL !
  
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  June 2, 2017 9:19am
  - GazzaW
    
    What? No fruitbats stephie?
    
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    June 2, 2017 9:39am
  - Reid
    
    DPF if you read this I’ve just reported stephie because he’s trolling by posting a completely irrelevant link to an article that has nothing whatsoever to the point Maggy was making.
    
    See my further explanation below to stephie’s response to EAD, for the same offence, which I’ve also just reported.
    
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    June 2, 2017 10:56am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You appear to wonder down some very strange paths ?
    
    You may well wonder about the paths I wander…
    
    try this for a starter
    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1956/12/13/hughes-i-wonder-as-i-wander/
    
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    June 2, 2017 11:10am
Scott

If you ever wonder why many feel that the New Zealand media coverage is hopelessly biased against Trump here are just 2 headlines –

Live: US stiffs world
Barack Obama said Trump was making America join a “small handful of nations that reject the future.”

and this beauty –

“US President Donald Trump assails comic Kathy Griffin for ‘beheading’ video”
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June 2, 2017 9:21am
- Longknives
  
  When I worked on the School Newspaper in 6th Form I think I’d have been ashamed of a headline as weak as “Trump Stiffs World”
  The 19 year-old ‘Journalists’ at Stuff must just think they are so clever coming up with that.
  Enjoy unemployment kids- It’s just around the corner.
  
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  June 2, 2017 9:33am
  - Inandout
    
    ‘Stiffs’ from ‘Stuffed’..hilarious.
    
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    June 2, 2017 12:03pm
stephieboy

Scott ,

“Barack Obama said Trump was making America join a “small handful of nations that reject the future.”

But it is true ! Just take a look at Mike Pence ( let alone his boss ) and you’ll see what the former President means .
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June 2, 2017 9:25am
- holysheet
  
  Look stooooooopidboy. Trump is da boss now. Who cares bout what dat black fulla that used to live inda whiteys home is a sayin.
  
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  June 2, 2017 10:51am
  - MCos
    
    Are you one of these people that thought Obama shouldn’t have been President on account of the colour of his skin?
    
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    June 2, 2017 1:42pm
    - holysheet
      
      Not at all. But his in-actions have shown how useless he really was. His colour might reflect this?
      
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      June 2, 2017 5:11pm
- Kleva Kiwi
  
  Stephie, you think anyone who dosn’t want to join the Islamic cult and oppress woman is rejecting the future.
  
  Well, guess what, the future rejects your stone age cult. GTFO
  
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  June 2, 2017 4:35pm
Longknives

Watching the Left twist themselves inside out trying to defend Kathy Griffin’s ISIS/Trump/Whatever she was trying to prove ‘joke’ is quite something.

Take the Herald (Who only a week ago were literally shrieking for Katie Hopkins to be hung,drawn and quartered following her poor choice of words on Twitter) –
“We should forgive Kathy Griffin”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11867533

Double standards from the Left? Surely Not..
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June 2, 2017 9:30am
- Garbageman
  
  And they continue to wonder why they are rated annually at the bottom of the list with used car salesmen, politicians & real estate agents either they just don’t give a rats ass anymore or are doubling down because they have nothing left to lose and/or they take us all for complete numpties that rely solely on them for news these days
  
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  June 2, 2017 10:07am
- jonar
  
  According to that article we should consider forgiveness because
  
  But I was taken back by what I saw – a genuine apology. “I crossed the line.” “I went way too far.” “The image is too disturbing.” “I ask your forgiveness.” “I beg for your forgiveness.”
  
  Of course, it’s impossible to know Griffin’s intentions. But I feel compelled to give her the benefit of the doubt because of the gravity of the words she used. She owned up to her lapse in judgment and didn’t try to justify – even slightly – the mistake.
  
  Has Katie Hopkins apologised?
  
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  June 2, 2017 10:35am
  - rangitoto
    
    Hopkins had nothing to apologise for.
    
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    June 2, 2017 12:28pm
Stars And Stripes

A short story of a situation which might have occurred this week somewhere in a mythical country called “Kohaland”.
A farmer was digging a trench on his property when he unearthed some old bones and a couple of skulls.
After exhaustive consultation with his two helpers which lasted all of two minutes it was decided to put the artefacts in a sack and bury them in the pit where the dead animals go.
The local iwi Ngati Koha and all the troughers in Wellington never got the opportunity to get their pound of flesh and the land owner lived happily ever after.
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June 2, 2017 9:47am
- sam green
  
  Perhaps it was Mona Blades.
  
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  June 2, 2017 12:03pm
  - Kimbo
    
    In bad taste but an uptick, nonetheless. 🙂
    
    Given the age-demographic to whom that joke appeals due to their requisite knowledge, maybe “Shergar” would have got the effect you were after without the shock factor.
    
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    June 2, 2017 12:43pm
    - sam green
      
      I bow to your brain and sensibilities.
      
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      June 2, 2017 2:30pm
- sam green
  
  Perhaps it was Shergar.
  
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  June 2, 2017 2:34pm
EAD

Is this how it ends for us?

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2017/06/not-with-bang-but-whimper.html?m=0

End of the final paragraph:

Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote “Above all, don’t lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others.” I became aware of this in the old Communist countries, especially Roumania. The lies and cognitive dissonance were so outrageous it seemed to me the authorities were not trying to convince but to humiliate, to break the people’s spirit and will to resist. By forcing people to acquiesce to the lies and to remain silent, or even worse to regurgitate them rots the moral fibre, rendering them easily controllable and malleable.
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June 2, 2017 9:56am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD , your visit to the Adelaide Institute says it all.
  
  One of the many highlights from the Nuremberg Einsatzgruppen trials ,
  
  Babi Yar outside Kiev
  
  OHLENDORF: After the registration the Jews were collected at one place; and from there they were later transported to the place of execution, which was, as a rule, an antitank ditch or a natural excavation. The executions were carried out in a military manner, by firing squads under command.
  
  COL. AMEN: In what way were they transported to the place of execution?
  
  OHLENDORF: They were transported to the place of execution in trucks, always only as many as could be executed immediately. In this way it was attempted to keep the span of time from the moment in which the victims knew what was about to happen to them until the time of their actual execution as short as possible.
  
  http://www.famous-trials.com/nuremberg/1934-ohlentestimony
  
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  June 2, 2017 10:01am
  - Reid
    
    stephie I’ve just reported you because you have a habit of responding to a post by providing links and commentary to a subject completely unrelated to the post itself. This is called trolling, and you just did it above to Penny, as well. I’ll be calling you out all the time on this and suggest concerned others do so as well.
    
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    June 2, 2017 10:33am
    - Reid
      
      Sorry, I meant you just did it above to Maggy. I believe she’s complained about you doing this before, but you persist. Very naughty stephie. Very naughty indeed. Shows utter contempt for others.
      
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      June 2, 2017 10:52am
      - Garbageman
        
        Reid his stalking of the females on KB is almost as creepy as his mall habits and extremely disruptive of people engaged in intelligent debate surprisingly enough I come here not to just make wittyish observations but to learn something as well which is often hard to do with trollboy attempting to derail every post with his mind numbing repetitive insults and deflection so keep up the good work
        
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        June 2, 2017 11:45am
  - Reid
    
    The other thing is you probably thought you were making a tremendous point against a “denier” but while I’m not aware of EAD having ever denied anything about it as opposed to raising reasonable questions about the surrounding facts which have been accepted without question by historians who haven’t done their homework, I’m not aware of any of the major holocaust so-called deniers ever denying the Ensatzgruppen operations happened.
    
    Irving doesn’t for example, as you’d be aware if you’d actually read any of his work or listened to any of his talks. Lots of people of course simply take the fake news on this matter alleging that he has, as read.
    
    But that of course is a terribly foolish and indeed, stupid way to behave, isn’t it.
    
    Especially with a radio-active accusation such as accusing someone of being a Holocaust denier. If you’re going to do that, you’d better make damn sure you’ve got your facts straight, unless of course you’re just throwing casual libel out there. I don’t imagine DPF would appreciate that, at all.
    
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    June 2, 2017 10:45am
    - stephieboy
      
      “..as opposed to raising reasonable questions about the surrounding facts which have been accepted without question by historians who haven’t done their homework, I’m not aware of any of the major holocaust so-called deniers ever denying the Ensatzgruppen operations happened.”
      
      What reasoable questions . Which historians who have not done their homwork ?
      
      But it is progress that you accept the Einsatzgruppen mudered at least 1 .5 million Jews inoccupied Russia .
      
      Why did Maggy W feel the need to mention Bilderberg for ?
      
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      June 2, 2017 10:58am
      - waikatogirl
        
        It’s called General Debate Stephie where anyone can post any topic. You really are spiraling around the drain this morning.
        
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        June 2, 2017 11:17am
      - Reid
        
        What reasoable questions . Which historians who have not done their homwork ?
        
        I told you stephie, educate yourself on what Irving said, which is not the same thing as what people say he said, in case that distinction is too difficult for you to work out and you re-appear below triumphantly with a link from an article from say, the ADL, as if that would mean anything at all.
        
        And I suggest if at all possible, don’t continue to ask utterly stupid questions the answer to which lies in the original post since it just makes you look like a complete moron, and you wouldn’t want that, would you.
        
        Why did Maggy W feel the need to mention Bilderberg for ?
        
        Who knows and who cares? The point is, why did YOU feel the need to respond to it with some link which was completely irrelevant to what she was saying about it?
        
        I mean surely you’re not dumb enough to think that just because someone mentions an organisation, that therefore the subject of anything at all mentioning that organisation is suddenly germane and you’re free to say anything at all you like about it no matter what the poster is saying about it? Surely you’re not that fucking dumb?
        
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        June 2, 2017 11:53am
      - holysheet
        
        You answered your own question there, Reid.
        He is so fucking dumb that he cannot notice it, even when we point it out daily.
        
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        June 2, 2017 12:55pm
      - Reid
        
        He pretends not to hs, but how can anyone possibly be so fucking dumb as to not really realise what he does, despite, as you say, the fact it’s been continually pointed out to him day in day out for going on several years now?
        
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        June 2, 2017 1:10pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        Why did Maggy W feel the need to mention Bilderberg for ?
        
        1. Because this is a political blog site.
        
        2. Because the Bilderberg meetings are annual conferences that bring the political elite of N.America and Europe together.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group
        
        3. Because the POTUS had just dropped a bomb-shell that might be of some interest to the political elite of N.America and Europe.
        
        Can I join up any more dots for you?
        
        P.s. Why have you asked Reid a question about what I write here?
        How the dickens would Reid know anything about what I think or write?
        
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        June 2, 2017 2:07pm
Happychappy

Does any one know who is paying for all the activist that Labour have employed from the USA and Britain to help Labour win the up coming Election on September 23rd 2017. These people are staying on Marae around the country and some one has to foot the bill so it would be interesting to know who.
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June 2, 2017 10:04am
- KevOB
  
  I deduced months ago the Labour had gotten outside help. They have been too slick and focussed. Issues were appearing. Not their natural selves.
  This is serious. Thankfully they may raise issues but that only exposes Little to the public where he is a disaster. Are we to see more of him reading from his (live feed?) tablet. That should be jumped on: how can spontaneous questions have outside assistance? We are testing the man directly not his advisor’s policy feed.
  The leaflet that arrived in our Aranui Christchurch letterbox post budget was a surprise. But it was aimed at a 5 yr old intellect with repeated cliches and darn right lies presented as truth. A reduction from Labour’s calculated expectations is not a loss.
  The campaign has been underway for months and the press are getting heated up too.
  Election costs may be an issue too.
  
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  June 2, 2017 11:07am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    KevOB – election costs will become an issue on 23rd June, the start of the regulated period. From that date, every dollar spent is part of a budget, and must be accounted for in post-election returns. Perhaps Labour is pre-loading, i.e. spending up large before the start of the regulated period.
    
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    June 2, 2017 12:28pm
    - KevOB
      
      We will have to be diligent to hold them to account for any proven expenditure or costs outside the limits. I sense the possibility of a rort here and they have done those in the past.
      
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      June 2, 2017 5:48pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I’ve certainly noticed that locally the campaign began some time ago, with both Labour and National candidates putting up large placards to promote their meetings, etc.
      Is there no restriction at all on what they can do to promote themselves before the official campaign period?
      
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      June 2, 2017 8:19pm
  - holysheet
    
    If the gweeens can ask ‘Hey Clint”, then Angry can ask “Hey You”.
    The left are incapable of thinking for themselves.
    
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    June 2, 2017 12:59pm
  - sam green
    
    Maybe they’ve contracted CrosbyTextor. No?
    
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    June 2, 2017 2:43pm
  - Gabby
    
    Too hard for you was it? But not hard enough for your mum?
    
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    June 2, 2017 7:55pm
- Reid
  
  It’s like the old Comintern, isn’t it.
  
  If lefties aren’t commies then why the hell do they have an international leftist network which behaves precisely the same as the Comintern did?
  
  The other things is, do all these people have working visas? Or are they all here under the overseas travel scheme which lets young people get part time jobs while travelling?
  
  Let’s do an OIA and see precisely what’s going on here.
  
  This is our democracy, it doesn’t belong to lefty activists from the US and the UK, in any way.
  
  And wouldn’t it be scandalous if Liarbore was taking advantage of a loophole to rort the voters and destroy our democratic framework.
  
  Wouldn’t that be a massive story for some political blogger to break, on the assumption we don’t have any political journalists left to do it.
  
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  June 2, 2017 12:09pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid , great time trying to connect all the dots in another of your fabulist conpiracy theories .
    
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    June 2, 2017 1:18pm
    - Reid
      
      What conspiracy theory?
      
      These activists are all here doing political work. Who let them all in? If they have work visas, then this means Immigration has to have determined that they are doing work that cannot be done by locals. Has that happened? And if they don’t have work visas, then they are working illegally and that needs to be exposed since the main Opposition party is the one who is receiving the benefit and that stephie, is called a rort, not a conspiracy theory.
      
      This is just what any investigative journalist would do stephie, don’t you know that?
      
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      June 2, 2017 1:53pm
      - sam green
        
        They might be volunteers in Jucy vans having an extended holiday. Who knows?
        
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        June 2, 2017 5:42pm
- sam green
  
  Have you got a link for that Happychappy?
  
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  June 2, 2017 2:38pm
  - sam green
    
    Oh come on downtickers – I would like to read about all these “activists” coming in to the country. It sounds verrrrrrry intriguing. Are you sure it’s not CT?
    
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    June 2, 2017 5:26pm
    - sam green
      
      Maybe it is CT. Are they pan political? I know Hone’s a bit upset.
      
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      June 2, 2017 5:38pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Sam: As always ask a question and I will find a answer, Bryce Edwards NZ Herald Tuesday June 1st 2017. Political Roundup: Wealthy Donors Influencing Politics In 2017.
    Just past the paragraph that he has a say on DPF.
    
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    June 2, 2017 6:57pm
    - sam green
      
      Thanks Happychappy- you are very obliging.
      
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      June 2, 2017 7:27pm
- Gabby
  
  You sure they’re not here to give your carers a break, crappy?
  
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  June 2, 2017 7:58pm
Manolo

What? The invaders are not youngsters, after all.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4563200/75-suspicious-child-migrants-Sweden-adults.html

Three quarters of child migrants in Sweden who had to be tested to prove their age have turned out to be adults after having their teeth and knees analysed.

The Swedish Migration Board were skeptical of 4,200 asylum cases of migrants without papers claiming to be children, so sent the names to forensic experts to determine how old they were.

The company, Rättsmedicinalverket, is now sifting through the files and having tested 581 people, 447 of them have been medically proven to be 18 years old or older.
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June 2, 2017 10:13am
- Longknives
  
  It was the full beard, four wives and thirteen children that gave ‘Twelve year-old’ Mohommad away!
  
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  June 2, 2017 10:17am
- Reid
  
  That’s not news Manolo, same as where are all the families how come most of them are fit, fighting-age males? Amazingly high percent isn’t it.
  
  There’d be a real story there for the media over there to cover on an ongoing basis, if it weren’t considered wacist so to do.
  
  Funny that, ain’t it.
  
  Shows the danger of being sheeple tho.
  
  Imagine say if they allowed unannounced immigration here which seriously distorted our social fabric like for instance our housing market. Imagine how vivorous and onto it our media and our sheeple would be if that were done to them…
  
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  June 2, 2017 10:38am
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid ,
    
    ” Shows the danger of being sheeple tho.”
    
    Another irony alert goes out !
    
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    June 2, 2017 1:19pm
    - Reid
      
      Why.
      
      I mean, how is that ironic stephie?
      
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      June 2, 2017 1:58pm
Manolo

The incompetent refuses to go away:
https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/obama-goes-full-jackass-in-desperate-attempt-to-stay-relevant

“The nations that remain in the Paris Agreement will be the nations that reap the benefits in jobs and industries created,” Obama said. “But even in the absence of American leadership; even as this Administration joins a small handful of nations that reject the future; I’m confident that our states, cities, and businesses will step up and do even more to lead the way …”
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June 2, 2017 10:21am
Reid

So the founder of the Silk Road just had his life sentence confirmed.

Personally I think that’s pretty harsh.

The prosecution didn’t ask for it and the appeal was declined on the grounds that while the appellate court also thought it was harsh is was nevertheless within the sentencing Judge’s purview so they let it stand. But it’s a sentence rarely used for non-violent offenders, which he isn’t.

https://www.rt.com/usa/390358-silk-road-life-sentence-upheld/

Here’s an excellent backgrounder on the guy.
https://www.wired.com/2015/04/silk-road-1/
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June 2, 2017 11:03am
- gump
  
  He paid for people who threatened his business to be murdered.
  
  It’s s stretch to call him a “non-violent offender”.
  
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  June 2, 2017 11:10am
  - Reid
    
    Yeah maybe, but does he deserve life considering all the scum who get less?
    
    Wouldn’t around twenty years be a more reasonable tarrif?
    
    Where I’m coming from is they are clearing exemplifying him and they’re ~~going~~ trying to do the same thing to Dotcom.
    
    I don’t think in the Justice arena exemplifying is a legitimate sentencing practice. I think it violates the whole scales thing. Not to mention judicial impartiality because who amongst us is so incredibly naive to imagine someone didn’t have a quiet word in that judge’s ear, just as they will when KDC goes to trial.
    
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    June 2, 2017 11:41am
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid, nothing of course wrong how the Kremlin mets out justice now is there ?
      
      https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/russia
      
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      June 2, 2017 1:21pm
      - Reid
        
        DPF if you read this I’ve just reported stephie for trolling, since I wasn’t talking about the Kremlin in any way, as you can see.
        
        If anyone else reads this then I suggest you also report stephie, since he does this all the time, as we all know, we all object to it, and this is probably the only way we can stop him from doing it.
        
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        June 2, 2017 1:59pm
Longknives

I’m still laughing my tits off at Dunedin City Councillor /Green Party activist Aaron Hawkins’ attack on the Otago Farming Community over their ‘Gypsy Day’.
Now Michael Laws in in their sights as well- As he won’t play their silly games
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11868033

Can anyone tell me if Aaron Hawkins is planning on banning Fleetwood Mac from our Radios? Surely it’s for our own good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glStPHUErJU
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June 2, 2017 11:04am
- Longknives
  
  It just dawned upon me that The Greens should also contact Tyson Fury and tell him to cease calling himself ‘The Gypsy King’ immediately!
  
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  June 2, 2017 11:17am
- RalphT
  
  What, you don’t like the song? Fleetwood Mac’s “Cow moover” was one of my favourites.
  
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  June 2, 2017 11:37am
- Kimbo
  
  I’ve always considered that Malcolm X’s insightful description and application of “House Niggers” and “Field Niggers” is a powerful demonstration of why it belongs in usage. Not everyday, but nonetheless used to make the point, or subvert the original meaning, or even reflect what the world was once like (e.g., the Dam Busters dog), rather than denigrate
  
  …it is a valid word. And it is always context that gives precise meaning to a word, including shutting the door on any pejorative possibilities.
  
  Hence I was rightly (justified adverb!) called Penny Bright a c&%$, as it was deliberately intended to insult…and the one week ban was worth it.
  
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  June 2, 2017 12:52pm
  - 4077th
    
    Seems Ms Bright is frying fish elsewhere? Not seen her inane rantings here for a while now..not that I miss them at all.
    
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    June 2, 2017 1:16pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Luckily for you, you are not a close observer 😉 . She has posted on the previous two days’ General Debate I think…
      
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      June 2, 2017 1:39pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Lies, 4077th, you are OFTEN to be heard whimpering in your living room ‘Come back, Penny, come BACK!’
      
      (Sometimes there just isn’t enough vomit in the world, eh?)
      
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      June 2, 2017 2:26pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I don’t think we should call Penny a C$%^. It seems the word has only recently (towards the end of the 18th C) become a taboo word, and its earliest origins date to around 1230 to a certain Gropecunt Lane in London. Its also a bit disingenuous to call her something that is actually very useful and admired by most men. I think we need far more descriptive terms that describe her more accurately. I leave Kiwibloggers to make suggestions. So really DPF, calling someone a C^&* is only offensive if you mean it in the post 18C context. I prefer a more historical one where it was part of normal parlance.
    
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    June 2, 2017 5:25pm
Jack5

Ahoy Prof Maggy!

Behind the paywall on the Telegraph is a report quoting a biology Professor, Dave Goulson, from the University of Sussex, on the danger of many garden flower species to bees.

“So one might go out, buy some lovely flowers, bring it home, plant it in your pesticide garden thinking you’re helping nature, the bees, or the butterflies or whatever. But actually sadly you might be doing more harm than good.”

As a layman I take it means that the plants sold are coaked in pesticide rather than generate pesticide.

The biology professor revealed he had conducted a survey of large garden store chains and found a significant number of their supposedly bee-friendly flowers were packed with pesticides …

…From Prof Goulson’s sample of flowers sold with the promise of being good for wildlife and bees, only two out of 29 did not have any pesticides in them.

and

“Some flowers are fantastic for bees, because that what they involved to do … but some modern plant varieties have no interest at all to insects, because the plant breeder thought they might look pretty to people.
“They no longer attract insects because they’ve lost their original function … you might think they’re rather pretty, you might be happy if someone bought it for you on Valentine’s Day, but if you’re a bee that is absolute rubbish.

Rather than buying pesticide-laden plants, he advised growing plants from seeds or doing plant swaps with neighbours.

Goulson added: “People think that gardening is a very green activity, and it can be a very green activity. But if your idea of gardening is driving to a big garden centre to buy a bunch of pesticide-soaked plants sold in disposable plastic pots and grown in peat, then actually it’s not a very green activity at all.”
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June 2, 2017 11:12am
- Jack5
  
  I bet some are blaming the decline of bees on climate change.
  
  Could this flower-breed craze also be the cause of the decline of some small birds?
  
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  June 2, 2017 11:15am
  - Lance
    
    More likely bees declining due to pesticides and exposure to international bee-killing parasites, viruses etc
    
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    June 2, 2017 11:39am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @Jack5
  
  The NZ ornamental plant industry is well aware of this problem
  http://www.epa.govt.nz/hazardous-substances/pop_hs_topics/Neonicotinoids_bees/Pages/default.aspx
  
  The production of ornamentals in Britain, Europe (Netherlands,esp) and the USA takes place on a massive scale – billions of plants sold each year. The use of pesticides in some nurseries and outlet stores is probably way too high.
  
  But any decent nursery that wants to stay in business and produce quality plants will be employing IPM(Integrated pest Management) best practice strategies.
  
  One thing I’ve noticed since living in Gizzy, is that if you provide bee habitat and food sources, the bees will come.
  I dug up a quarter acre of Agapanthus on my frontage/ council land a couple of years ago and filled up all the space with any old flowering plant and surplus shrub I had on hand…… It’s not a design winner, but its chokka full of bees, year round.
  
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  June 2, 2017 4:34pm
Captain Mainwaring

Apparently a new law is coming in compelling freedom campers’ vans to have toilets.
Does this mean that Jucy are going to go out of business or are they going to supply each van with a bucket?
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June 2, 2017 11:23am
- Jack5
  
  A lot of the campers are travelling in vans and cars. How would a law affect them?
  
  Around just about every park in Christchurch you can find them early in the morning, sometimes cooking up breakfast beside the car.
  
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  June 2, 2017 11:54am
Jack5

Corbyn’s Labour is launching big Twitter campaign against British media, says the leftist Independent.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-donald-trump-media-strategy-twitter-attack-secret-to-success-labour-party-wrong-a7517626.html
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June 2, 2017 11:52am
Colville

Sofar today I have dealt with three customer service people.
Bank of America. They phoned me at pre arranged time, very helpful and polite. perfect and friendly. My money is on the way via post (in 5 days). Awesome.
I phoned NZTA to see if my truck was still registered , very helpful young lady. Nothing was a problem. She emailed me a confirmation and for $4 is posting me a new label. Great.
I emailed a council about a parking ticket. I get an response saying they will try and respond within TEN WORKING DAYS !!!!! what the fuck?? !!
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June 2, 2017 12:03pm
- rangitoto
  
  Just bad luck old chap. It just that it is ten days away from their designated work day of the month.
  
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  June 2, 2017 12:34pm
Happychappy

What is wrong with the Education system and Unions that run it when a Father of a 9year old girl being bullied at school was ignored. Further more it is disgusting when the father of this girl has to errect a anti bullying sign outside the school for any one to take notice. In a interview the father said he had met six times with the school to address the repeated assaults on his nine year old daughter that had been ongoing for 18 months. The apparent lack of action shows how much work there is still left to do to make sure bullying is taken seriously and dealt with properly especially when young children are involved. So the Unions, Schools,Principals and Teaches are about them selves not the vaunerable student in their care.
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June 2, 2017 12:31pm
CharlieBrown

I see there is another example of how pathetic our government is with its deal with Amazon. They didn’t even tender out the contract for an all of government deal. How the fuck do we let such incompetence occur… That’s right we have a career politician and former Muldoon like local radio manager run this country.

The fact that people still defend national astounds me.
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June 2, 2017 1:04pm
- Happychappy
  
  We have heard all this before so put up your proof to back up the story that supposeble says the Government are doing wrong.
  
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  June 2, 2017 1:58pm
  - CharlieBrown
    
    https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/governments-amazon-deal-blows-locals-supplier-panel-out-water-nz-rise-says-ck-p-203699
    
    Here you go. “He’s also upset it wasn’t put out to tender”.
    
    We have amateurs in charge of some of the biggest deals in our country.
    
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    June 2, 2017 4:10pm
Michael

Dunno about Auckland but in Wellington people are paying over $500000 for houses that don’t even have a garage. The vendors would be lucky to get half that if they were selling a similar house in this neck of the woods.
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June 2, 2017 1:41pm
- mandk
  
  You might pity us Wellingtonians, struggling through life without even a garage.
  
  But we’ve got the wind, the rain and the Phoenix!
  
  Sing along, now: “Oh, Wellington, is wonderful …”
  
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  June 2, 2017 2:17pm
Michael

Cap’n M.
I am all for freedom campers vans having toilets. The fewer of those campers shitting in the locals back yards the better, I reckon.
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June 2, 2017 1:48pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  No argument there Michael, but what kind of a toilet can you fit in an old Jucy Previa/Estima?
  Apart from a bucket.
  
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  June 2, 2017 4:35pm
  - nasska
    
    It wouldn’t be too difficult to get self containment certification Captain. This would suffice: http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/camping-outdoors/camping-toilets-showers/toilets/auction-1338345325.htm
    
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    June 2, 2017 4:42pm
Stars And Stripes

US transgender man reveals he’s pregnant with boy
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/health/2017/06/us-transgender-man-reveals-he-s-pregnant-with-boy.html
“A US man and his gay husband have announced they will be welcoming a baby boy into the world next month after one of them, who is transgender, fell pregnant”.

Yeah and she is still trying to kid herself that she is a man.
Keep banging that drum then and maybe the circus will call you one day.
I have seen more intelligent lifeforms stuck to the bowl in public toilets than these freaks.
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June 2, 2017 2:07pm
- Reid
  
  What pisses me off is bringing children into such a warped twisted environment and making everyone pretend it’s completely normal and the kids won’t be fucked up for life and then persecuting anyone who points out yes they will as if the people who do that are not simply pointing out what used to be called simple common sense a mere few decades ago, a state of common sense which persisted for literally thousands of years across thousands of generations until, as I say, the last few decades.
  
  I mean, what. Do the proponents of advocating this is just completely fucking normal seriously think the entire history of cvilisation across all cultures since the beginning of time has been wrong, and it’s just now in the last twenty to thirty years that a wrong which has existed everywhere until now has finally been corrected?
  
  Who’se more likely to be right? Every human being who has ever lived, or the SJWs who are telling us we’ve all been wrong?
  
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  June 2, 2017 2:55pm
- mandk
  
  I’m confused.
  
  When they say “transgender man” are they talking about a man pretending to be a woman, or a woman pretending to be a man?
  
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  June 2, 2017 4:05pm
  - Reid
    
    Apparently these days gender isn’t a biological matter it’s how you feel.
    
    Apparently it’s oppresive if you think that silly old biology has anything whatsoever to do with the breeding cycle, ovulation, and all of that.
    
    Apparently if you feel like a woman, you are. And vice versa. And sometimes you don’t feel like being either and that’s perfectly OK as well.
    
    Apparently if anyone objects to these feelings and expression thereof they’re terrible people and in the near future will almost certainly face the full wrath of ths state for committing a hate crime.
    
    I’m perfectly serious. This is how the SJWs really do expect us to behave in future and this really is what the SJWs and the state in full cooperation with them (lest it itself commits a hate crime), really will be doing the above in the near future.
    
    This is simply how we are living today, in this progressive age mandk. And if you don’t like it much and frankly neither do I, apparently we can both go to hell and they’ll just do ahead and do all of that anyway.
    
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    June 2, 2017 4:21pm
    - Longknives
      
      “Apparently if you feel like a woman, you are. And vice versa..”
      
      Why can’t Rachel Dolezal be a Black Woman then?
      
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      June 2, 2017 4:40pm
      - Reid
        
        Perhaps you should ask stephie, mm or maybe Sam. Sometimes you need really advanced thinkers to truly understand the subtle nuances of progressivism.
        
        Or maybe they just make it up as they go along.
        
        One of the two.
        
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        June 2, 2017 4:45pm
      - sam green
        
        Why ask me? I’m not a tranny.
        
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        June 2, 2017 5:06pm
      - Reid
        
        Sorry Sam aren’t you a progressive or have I got you wrong?
        
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        June 2, 2017 5:22pm
      - sam green
        
        I don’t know – are you using the term descriptively or perjoritively?
        
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        June 2, 2017 5:47pm
      - Reid
        
        Don’t worry, you just answered. No progressive would answer like you just did.
        
        Sorry about that.
        
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        June 2, 2017 6:14pm
      - sam green
        
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kdOPBP9vuZA
        
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        June 2, 2017 6:51pm
    - stigie
      
      “Apparently if you feel like a woman, you are. And vice versa. And sometimes you don’t feel like being either and that’s perfectly OK as well.”
      
      Now, im really fucking confused, this is far too much for us hetrosexuals….Don’t know about all you homo’s though..?
      
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      June 2, 2017 4:57pm
      - nasska
        
        Imagine the grief this is going to cause the nation’s farmers. Up until now docking was simple……rings on the boys & tails off both.
        
        We’re probably going to have to get a panel of animal behaviour psychiatrists to sign off on our decisions. 🙂
        
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        June 2, 2017 5:02pm
      - stigie
        
        I think they have this problem in Hagley Park Nasska, things are not just that simple anymore !~
        
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        June 2, 2017 5:05pm
      - sam green
        
        Shania Twain feels like a woman stigie – do you think she’s a lezzer?
        
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        June 2, 2017 5:53pm
      - sam green
        
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A0WvXpyufT8
        
        For you stigie.
        
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        June 2, 2017 5:59pm
      - stigie
        
        Nah, still confused sam, one wouldn’t know what gender is using the glory holes in Hagley Park and the dunny’s in the south west corner after the sun goes down ole chap..?
        
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        June 2, 2017 6:44pm
      - sam green
        
        A schlong is a schlong i guess.
        
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        June 2, 2017 6:54pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    It has to be a woman who believes she is a man. How else would pregnancy be possible?
    
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    June 2, 2017 5:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    This might help
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_man
    
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    June 2, 2017 6:34pm
- sam green
  
  Stars and Stripes. Jeffery Eugenides has a book called Middlesex. A great family saga that may be of interest to you.
  
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  June 2, 2017 4:13pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Such a tempting offer but maybe another day when I’m feeling suicidal.
    
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    June 2, 2017 4:23pm
    - sam green
      
      Ok. Let me know when. It’s actually a good read – even if some of the subject matter is perplexing to you. ?
      
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      June 2, 2017 4:34pm
Reid

A VERY powerful message from PJW about the African “refugees”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfG1myglfhY

and…

MIGRANTS CAUGHT STEALING FLOWERS & SOFT TOYS FROM MANCHESTER BOMBING MEMORIAL

Man speaking broken English seen holding Smurf toy stolen from tribute to victims

https://www.infowars.com/video-migrants-caught-stealing-flowers-soft-toys-from-manchester-bombing-memorial/

The diversity dividend strikes again. Is it just me or does it appear the dd ROI isn’t working out very well…
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June 2, 2017 4:04pm
Monique Watson

Ohio AG sues Big Pharma for their role in opioid epidemic:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/31/ohio-ag-sues-pharma-companies-over-their-role-in-the-opioid-epidemic.html
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June 2, 2017 4:52pm
- Reid
  
  Why don’t they sue the CIA and the Pentagram and the Pakistani govt for their respective roles in letting the poppy crop which the Taliban had eliminated become the biggest ever, processing it and organising the shipments of it to the continental US of A.
  
  All they had to do is use their satellites and defoliantes to keep it wiped out completely, but no, they didn’t do that at all.
  
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  June 2, 2017 5:49pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    http://www.mintpressnews.com/afghan-opium-production-40-times-higher-since-us-nato-invasion/219974/
    
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    June 2, 2017 5:55pm
    - Jack5
      
      So much for the teams of advisers from the UK and America, with almost a small army of bodyguards, who tried to talk Afghan land owners into growing more pomegranate, almonds, and wheat instead of poppies.
      
      Forty times as much! If Mexico supplies America, where does this stuff go to?
      
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      June 2, 2017 10:08pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        f Mexico supplies America, where does this stuff go to
        Goes to making heroin
        1Kg Opium ===100g heroin
        
        Thence
        Pakistan, S.E. Asia; Pacific; Europe; UK.
        
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        June 2, 2017 10:28pm
Fletch

More leftist lunacy. Remember yesterday’s story about the washed-up comedienne holding up a bloody severed Trump head, and the criticism she got for it? Time to play the victim card. Now she has hired a lawyer and will hold a press conference around the idea that she has been “bullied” by Trump and his family.

Kathy Griffin has hired high-powered attorney Lisa Bloom and will hold a press conference Friday to address the firestorm surrounding the viral image of herself holding the bloody, decapitated head of President Donald Trump and the “bullying” she claims she has endured at the hands of the Trump family as a result.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/06/01/kathy-griffin-hold-press-conference-address-bullying-trump-family/

Some lefties just don’t know when it let it go. They just dig themselves in deeper and deeper.
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June 2, 2017 5:20pm
- KevOB
  
  She should have been arrested at the first instance. I’m sure there’s some law that can be applied. Where are the limits to inciting violence against heads of state? Examples need to be made. Perhaps she should be deported to Turkey.
  
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  June 2, 2017 5:52pm
- Reid
  
  Some lefties just don’t know when it let it go. They just dig themselves in deeper and deeper.
  
  Some?
  
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  June 2, 2017 6:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

At least 36 dead in Manila casino… “lone wolf?”
http://www.bbc.com/news/0
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June 2, 2017 5:39pm
- Kea
  
  No just some folks who can not have the USA do their killing for them, as another religious group does. I am not really worried about a few homemade bombs after Obama dropped 27,000 real ones on Muslims last year alone.
  
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  June 2, 2017 5:58pm
  - Reid
    
    You realise the CIA is behind the recent ISIS advances in the Phillipines? This doesn’t seem related – report it was a white guy and it was a fire, not a bomb.
    
    But they don’t like Duterte’s attitudes, hence they use their mercenaries to slaughter innocents.
    
    De rigeur, to the CIA.
    
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    June 2, 2017 6:39pm
DifferentPerspective

Boo hoo Kathy Griffen – snowflake

So it really all was a yuge attention-seeking gambit by a D-list celebrity – she’s calling a press conference to discuss how she was (boo hoo) bullied.

I mean I know her hair colour comes out of a bottle – but crazy (hard ‘G’) ginga that she is – she’s made this all about herself. When I thought it was all about her ‘art’. I thought her non-apology apology was the worst part, but no she’s going full retard!
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June 2, 2017 5:49pm
Happychappy

Sam Green: I have posted the details of the question you asked about the Labour activists from the USA and Britain that you asked for.
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June 2, 2017 7:03pm
- sam green
  
  Thanks Happychappy. Can you also check if labour have contracted Crosby Textor this year. Ta.
  
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  June 2, 2017 7:30pm
nasska

Feminism is the belief that both sexes may become equal by focusing solely on one of them.
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June 2, 2017 8:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Nagoya to get a Studio Ghibli Theme Park
http://asia.nikkei.com/Japan-Update/Theme-park-to-recreate-Studio-Ghibli-s-world-of-anime
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June 2, 2017 8:54pm
Jack5

The Stephieboys troll team may be fooling us by posting and acting as though they are only aged 13!

https://heatst.com/world/tests-show-76-of-suspicious-child-refugees-in-sweden-are-actually-over-18/
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June 2, 2017 9:46pm
Manolo

The poor beast sobs and complains:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4566964/Kathy-Griffin-claims-Trump-family-ruined-life.html
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