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William of Ockham

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/12/oil-giants-need-to-invest-heavily-in-renewables-by-2035-analysis-finds

A fifth of investment by the largest oil and gas companies could be in wind and solar power in just over a decade… Slowing demand for oil and rapid growth in renewables posed both a threat and and opportunity BP, Shell and Total …

“The momentum behind these technologies is unstoppable now,” said Valentina Kretzschmar, research group Wood Mackenzie, “They are recognising it is a megatrend; it’s not a fad, it’s not going away. There is definitely a risk to their core business.”

Norway’s Statoil is to deploy the world’s first floating offshore windfarm later this year. Shell spent several hours of its annual general meeting in May boasting of its commitment to tackling climate change and to renewable power projects…

Like BP, Wood Mackenzie predicted demand for renewables would grow faster than oil in the next two decades: the analysts forecasted annual growth rates of 6% for wind and 11% for solar, compared with 0.5% for oil demand.

“Capturing the growth opportunity in this growing market is a driver, but let’s not forget investor pressure,” said Kretzschmar, citing the 62% of shareholders who voted at Exxon’s AGM to force the company to be more transparent on climate change.
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June 13, 2017 8:04am
- William of Ockham
  
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  Climate science deniers have
  1. Lost their war on science
  2. Lost their war on scientists
  3. Lost their war on reason
  4. Lost the war on civilisation
  5. Lost their war on price
  6. Lost their marbles
  
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  June 13, 2017 8:09am
- stephieboy
  
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  50 Downtickers : the sleep of reason .
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:55am
William of Ockham

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https://www.ecowatch.com/climate-change-is-real-website-2440285898.html?utm_source=EcoWatch+List&utm_campaign=691a8b4395-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_49c7d43dc9-691a8b4395-86111021

13 U.S. Cities Defy Trump by Posting Deleted Climate Data
More than one dozen U.S. cities have banded together to post deleted climate change information and research from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) website that was notoriously scrubbed by the Trump administration.

In May, Chicago became the first city to host the deleted pages, and now other mayors are following in Rahm Emanuel’s footsteps by creating their city’s own “Climate Change is Real” website.
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June 13, 2017 8:04am
- William of Ockham
  
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  Climate science deniers have
  1. Lost their war on science
  2. Lost their war on scientists
  3. Lost their war on reason
  4. Lost the war on civilisation
  5. Lost their war on price
  6. Lost their marbles
  
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  June 13, 2017 8:09am
  - mikenmild
    
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    Unfortunately, William, the more you remind them that evidence and reason are against them the more likely they are to double down on their obstinacy. It is a straightforward psychological phenomenon.
    
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    June 13, 2017 8:13am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Bloody Hell DPF, isn’t there a way to shut this madman up?
      
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      June 13, 2017 8:15am
      - RalphT
        
        Agree, Captain. Seeing it first up is bad enough, but the first four is beyond a joke.
        
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        June 13, 2017 8:18am
      - stephieboy
        
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        CM , the true alt right spirit of the open dociety and open reasoned debate.
        
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        June 13, 2017 8:18am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Continually shouting at me does not make your argument any more valid
        
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        June 13, 2017 8:21am
      - Peter
        
        This spamming of the blog is getting ridiculous. Reported.
        
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        June 13, 2017 8:43am
      - RalphT
        
        Success! 9.09 and all postings hidden. Well done team, and thanks for the leadership, Captain.
        
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        June 13, 2017 9:10am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I don’t think I have ever seen a quadruple shut-up effort on KB below.
        
        (Impressive. Well done, gentlemen.)
        
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        June 13, 2017 9:50am
      - Nermal
        
        Try ignoring him.
        
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        June 13, 2017 1:45pm
    - Peter
      
      Achieving the total opposite of what he seeks.
      
      MM/SB, if someone came into your house, every day, relentlessly rabbiting on about the “proof” of neoliberalism, would that convert you?
      
      All he achieves is to remind everyone that the climate change is almost exclusively a tool of the activist left.
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:23am
    - mikenmild
      
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      How is it spam, Peter?
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:32am
      - Peter
        
        Those downticks may give you an indication of the value the community here places on his posts.
        
        Spam filtered.
        
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        June 13, 2017 9:35am
      - itstricky
        
        Aha – so science doesn’t rule, just community “feeling”?
        
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        June 13, 2017 2:19pm
      - Peter
        
        There is science then there is disingenuous left-wing activism masquerading as science.
        
        People voted accordingly.
        
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        June 13, 2017 3:02pm
      - itstricky
        
        Nothing like a bit of “evidence” thrown in, as well – just to make sure it’s on sound scientific footing.
        
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        June 13, 2017 3:21pm
  - holysheet
    
    Unlike you you blathering idiot, WE had marbles to lose.
    
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    June 13, 2017 8:28am
    - Doctor Who
      
      Do you want them back?
      
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      June 13, 2017 8:31am
      - holysheet
        
        Nah I always had plenty. Loosing a few over this shit has made no difference.
        
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        June 13, 2017 8:37am
      - Simon
        
        William is ok a reminder that as climate change is a political issue not scientific it follows that his biggest fans are mikenmong and creepyboy.
        
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        June 13, 2017 8:42am
      - kowtow
        
        simon
        
        As well as political , the obsessively mentally ill.
        
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        June 13, 2017 8:54am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Climate change is partly a political, partly an economic and partly a scientific issue. Whether human activities are affecting the climate and how that is likely to develop is a scientific issue. Whether we should try to do something about it is a political issue. What to do about it is an economic issue.
        
        Three potential battlegrounds. Why are you choosing to fight on the one that makes you look closed-minded, ignorant and requires you to impugn the integrity and intelligence of thousands of highly qualified and knowledgeable scientists?
        
        Anyway, which is it – are those scientists stupid or corrupt?
        
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        June 13, 2017 9:15am
      - holysheet
        
        Both!
        
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        June 13, 2017 9:40am
    - stephieboy
      
      holyturd , you’ve obviously lost yours eons ago !
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:57am
  - Ross12
    
    WoO
    Putting up a post like the one @ 8.09am is going to guarantee people will ignore you quicker than they already do , if that is possible in some cases.
    
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    June 13, 2017 10:54am
- stephieboy
  
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  50 Downtickers : the sleep of reason .
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:55am
- stephieboy
  
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  51 Downtickers : the sleep of reason .
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:56am
artemisia

Police in Wellington exceeding their remit once again.

Police accused of drumming up opposition to Wellington liquor store application

Officers doorknocked businesses around Manjula Patel’s Aro Fruit Supply in late May to inform them of her and Vinod Hira’s application……

Aro Valley resident Brent Efford said he felt “quite outraged, but also betrayed” by the store’s liquor application.

Time for a safe space in the Aro Valley for Mr Efford, eh? Looking forward to seeing him convert his outrage into setting up a fruit and vege business. After all NZ is one of the easiest countries in the world to do business in. Not holding my breath.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/93574712/police-accused-of-drumming-up-opposition-to-wellington-liquor-store-application
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June 13, 2017 8:05am
- cmm
  
  If this is true, it’s bloody outrageous!
  
  Cops have the job of looking after legal businesses, not trying to sabotage them.
  
  If cops did this in uniform, or in police time, I hope they get fired.
  
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  June 13, 2017 12:11pm
- Rich Prick
  
  What’s worse, the Police according to the article, are scaremongering with the implied “evils” of RTD’s and spirits. Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought diaries can only sell beer and wine. If they want to agitate, they should at least do so honestly, otherwise we will conclude they are just trying to be social arbiters.
  
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  June 13, 2017 1:57pm
MT_Tinman

The Aro valley is the only place in NZ I have been assaulted on the street for no reason (other than I was white and alone).

Concrete over the whole bloody valley!
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June 13, 2017 8:15am
- Happychappy
  
  So that is maybe a good reason why they should be declining Liquor Licences.
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:00am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    No, although instead of selling the bastards booze they should be giving it to them for nothing on the premis that they’ll do less damage if they’re too pissed to move at all times.
    
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    June 13, 2017 9:07am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  When one lives where the sun never shines one develops some bizarre habits.
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:01am
- MCos
  
  The days of indiscriminate retaliation are long gone. You were clearly born in the wrong place at the wrong time.
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:07am
Happychappy

You have to Laugh that Phil Goff and his saying before he became Mayor,he is there to make Auckland better and with no political tie. So why does he seem to announce Auckland Policy on the same day Labour talk their Immigration Policy and why they need to stop it and how it has effected Auckland Housing, Roading, Rail and other problems for the Super City. What a hypocrite this Mayor is and the hits he is aiming at the Government should not go unnoticed.
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June 13, 2017 8:17am
- Happychappy
  
  Can anyone confirm whether Hugh is part of Phil Goff’s think tank on Housing and how to make them affordable as Goff mentioned on TV Three News last evening he had a large team from the building and planing sector advising him.
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:31am
mikenmild

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Snowflakes want to censor Shakespeare productions now:
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/11/donald-trump-julius-caesar-stabbed-death-women-minorities-shakespeare-central-park
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June 13, 2017 8:17am
- Scott
  
  Well another piece of art involving killing the sitting president of the United States seems a bit much! Was the severed head not enough? What is the appetite of peace loving liberals for murdering the president of the United States? Perhaps the left is not as peace loving and tolerant as they like to appear?
  It shows to me the inherent badness of human nature. So called enlightened peace loving liberals are only tolerant when they win. If they so much as lose an election they become transformed into murderous egotists.
  
  Also hypocrites. You know if this was president Obama then this person would be immediately branded a racist.
  
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  June 13, 2017 8:29am
  - kowtow
    
    They call it the ‘resistance’. Even Hilary used the term. Seems it’s OK to use violent terminology when you’re on the left , see Gramsci item below.
    
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    June 13, 2017 8:34am
    - cmm
      
      “Resistance” evokes images of Gandhi’s passive resistance against the Brits.
      
      “violent extremism” just doesn’t quite have the same ring to it.
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:09am
  - mikenmild
    
    And were your sensitivities outraged by this production during the Obama years?
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/shakesblog/obamas-ides-of-march/
    Also sponsored by Delta Airlines, funnily enough.
    You snowflakes make me chortle.
    
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    June 13, 2017 9:21am
    - SGA
      
      You are a very naughty boy, mm. I didn’t see that coming – nicely played.
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:31am
      - mikenmild
        
        Hat tip to the Slate website, an incomparable resource during the time of Trump.
        
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        June 13, 2017 9:59am
  - Gabby
    
    Is the Palinator sticking gunsights over people’s heads again? What a vicious article she is.
    
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    June 13, 2017 5:43pm
- kowtow
  
  Not censorship. The activists are free to interpret the Bard as they see fit, and sponsors are free to pull their sponsorship.
  
  Isn’t it great how freedom works in the west.
  
  Long may it last.
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:00am
  - MCos
    
    Nevertheless it’s interesting they should pull their sponsorship after they saw which way the wind was blowing.
    A similar production with an Obama styled lead character caused no such outcry some years ago so there was no need to review their sponsorship.
    Basically it was not a moral decision, but a bottom line consideration.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/06/12/delta-pulled-funding-from-a-trump-esque-julius-caesar-but-not-for-an-obama-like-version-in-2012/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.8a6ec96875f7#comments
    
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    June 13, 2017 12:50pm
    - kowtow
      
      “A similar production with an Obama styled lead character caused no such outcry ”
      
      Why would it, that was Othello.
      
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      June 13, 2017 1:03pm
      - MCos
        
        From the referenced article:
        “But there was no such backlash in 2012, when a collaboration between the Acting Company and the Guthrie Theater in Minneapolis — which also received financial backing from Delta — mounted a contemporary remake of “Julius Caesar” in which the title character appeared to reference President Barack Obama. Caesar’s character, of course, is brutally slain in the play.
        “Because Caesar is cast as a tall, lanky black man, the Obama inference is a bit too obvious,” wrote MSP Mag of the actor, Bjorn DuPaty.”
        
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        June 13, 2017 3:42pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  If these activists really want to associate themselves with Brutus and the other assassins, I certainly don’t see any reason to try to stop them.
  
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  June 13, 2017 10:09am
kowtow

“Labour has, quite rightly, tried to keep Karl Marx out of the election. But there is one Marxist whose work provides the key to understanding what just happened. Antonio Gramsci, the Italian communist leader who died in a fascist jail in 1937, would have had no trouble understanding Corbyn’s rise, Labour’s poll surge, or predicting what happens next. For Gramsci understood what kind of war the left is fighting in a mature democracy, and how it can be won.”

The left is waging war on our democracies.

Their leading UK rag says so.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2017/jun/12/paul-mason-jeremy-corbyn-defeat-ruling-elite-antonio-gramsci
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June 13, 2017 8:18am
- stephieboy
  
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  kowtow, but alt right drags like Katie Hopkins , Ann Coulter. Pauline Hanson and Pamela Geller are not ?
  
  Aye !
  
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  June 13, 2017 8:22am
- Peter
  
  An interesting read, KowTow
  
  I think where Labour will come unstuck is that modern Labour loathes the working man. Modern Labour is a collection of “university interests”, such as feminism, gay rights, climate change and so on. The pretence will be their undoing as the working man – on which the theory espoused in that article rests – will more likely move to populist Labour alternatives.
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:51am
- Gabby
  
  Crikey, kobknob, thank goodness for fascist gaols eh what?
  
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  June 13, 2017 5:46pm
VicParking

Well done Team NZ.
Spent 30 minutes listing to the race and one hour hearing adverts for the “Predicta” wind app.
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June 13, 2017 8:19am
- Biscuit
  
  Heh he, VicPsrking.
  
  I had Montgomery’s call on the radio, too, and heard ‘Predicta’ mentioned so often that cynical moi thought ‘I wonder who is paying Peter’s bills for him in Bermuda?’…
  
  (In similar vein, I must go check out just what line of service is provided by this ‘Ockham’ company that backs our friend William…)
  
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  June 13, 2017 11:18am
  - Biscuit
    
    Soz for the name typo, VicParking.
    
    Mee fourgott too cheque mi spelin!
    
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    June 13, 2017 11:26am
kowtow

The diversity dividend.

“The Church of England is currently working with the Metropolitan Police to formulate new detailed security advice, which is due to be published within weeks, the Telegraph can reveal. ”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/12/churches-need-better-protection-terrorists/
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June 13, 2017 8:20am
- Lance
  
  The warning signs have been there for a long time now. Christian evangelists have been regularly harassed and assaulted in Hyde Park and other places of free speech by Muslim A-holes for quite some time and the Police have done nothing. Afraid of being labeled racists.
  Emboldened and more more obnoxious than ever, the radical Muslims are ‘upping their game’ to more overt attacks on Christians.
  Of course only people throwing bacon sandwiches at Mosques are the wicked.
  
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  June 13, 2017 8:30am
  - stephieboy
    
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    WHERE SHALL WE CALL HOME
    
    A fund raising exhibition for Refugees resettlement in NZ
    
    Depot Art Space 17the June – 5th July
    
    Mon 12-5 Tues to Sat 10-5 Sun 11-3
    
    ALL WELCOME
    
    https://www.facebook.com/events/389959108070849/?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%223%22%2C%22ref_newsfeed_story_type%22%3A%22regular%22%2C%22feed_story_type%22%3A%2217%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D
    
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    June 13, 2017 8:31am
    - Lance
      
      Will they be serving bacon sandwiches?
      
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      June 13, 2017 8:33am
    - Huevon
      
      Can I submit my portrait of Mohammed to this exhibition?
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:09am
    - cmm
      
      Let me guess…. Afrikaner farmers from South Africa need not apply.
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:11am
    - Inandout
      
      What a closed little group are our ‘artists’, full of concern for refugees, but take no blame for the dire results of their imports. Yes, a mohammed caricature would go down like a cup of bacon soup, but if sombody could slip one in……
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:20am
  - kowtow
    
    Hadn’t come across any reports of that nature .
    Did a search.
    Warning , this could make you very angry. But then it appears to be more of the diversity dividend.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2EcjOHzq4A
    
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    June 13, 2017 9:17am
    - Lance
      
      Stephieboys chums…
      What scum
      
      Base fellows mocked him
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:29am
    - Lance
      
      The bold old man made an interesting point
      Jesus never killed anyone
      Mohammad cut off the heads of 900 people at one event alone.
      
      But… but… but…
      It’s the religion of peace
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:33am
      - mikenmild
        
        Are you claiming that Jesus is separate from God? Or that God never killed anyone?
        
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        June 13, 2017 10:13am
  - MCos
    
    When you say regularly, can you be more specific because I couldn’t find too much via Google, but I did see plenty of evidence of Muslims being hassled.
    From my experience going back fifty years the English have never been too keen on any foreigners unless they play sport at a high level.
    
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    June 13, 2017 9:29am
    - Lance
      
      Look at kowtow’s link (and more multiple examples on the left while playing)
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:35am
- Scott
  
  I know some Christians in NZ are keen to bring more Muslims here. That’s just crazy stuff.
  Poland and Japan have no terrorism and no attacks on churches. (now I realise Japan doesn’t have a lot of churches, but Poland sure does)
  
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  June 13, 2017 8:33am
  - stephieboy
    
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    scott , and what kind of ” Christian “are you apart from the alt right fundie kind ?
    
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    June 13, 2017 8:35am
    - Scott
      
      Baptist evangelical. What kind of Christian are you?
      
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      June 13, 2017 8:38am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Scott , and how do Baptsit evanglicals like you reconcile your Gospel of hate with the Gospel of love ? .
        Kind of Christian ? Anglican .
        
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        June 13, 2017 9:03am
    - KevOB
      
      There are many different flavours of us who call Jesus Christ, Lord. Our differences are trivial compared to the truths that unite.
      
      I am reluctant to encourage Muslim immigration to NZ in what looks like another possible attempt to re-establish the Caliphate.
      
      Compassion:yes; foolishness:no.
      
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      June 13, 2017 8:41am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Compassion : YES .
        
        Fear, hate and Paranoia : NO
        
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        June 13, 2017 9:04am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        In what way exactly does it look like an attempt to establish another Caliphate?
        
        Nobody is actively trying to encourage specifically Muslim immigration to New Zealand. Some of us think that people who meet immigration requirements or qualify as refugees should be allowed in regardless of their religion.
        
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        June 13, 2017 9:05am
      - KevOB
        
        The Caliphate reference is particularly to Turkey. Erdogan seems to wishfully remember the Ottomans.
        
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        June 13, 2017 10:17am
    - JasonJohns
      
      I believe he is an authentic Christian, is one who holds to the Biblical truth that the world is 6,000 years old, that the human race is descended from Adam and Eve, and that the dark races are sons of Ham. Most people can’t handle that sort of authenticity.
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:22am
      - stephieboy
        
        “authenticity” ? Minus the evidence and proof !
        
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        June 13, 2017 10:00am
  - Huevon
    
    Yes, the Catholic church these days has pretty much become the Green party at prayer. Nothing better than a Muslim, nothing more evil than carbon emissions.
    
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    June 13, 2017 9:12am
    - SGA
      
      Bloody progressives – they’ll be allowing women into the clergy next and removing the restrictions on contraception.
      (they’ve already largely caved on evolution and the horrendous space kablooie)
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:34am
    - MCos
      
      Impossible statement. As far as Catholics are concerned they are preeminent amongst churches.
      I don’t know what the current teaching is, but I was up with the play only Catholics could enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
      That’s pretty heavy shit, man.
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:37am
      - Kimbo
        
        I don’t know what the current teaching is, but I was up with the play only Catholics could enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
        
        Nope, maybe Don the Kiwi or Fletch can confirm but as far as I am aware that hasn’t been Catholic teaching since Vatican II in the early 1960s…
        
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        June 13, 2017 10:21am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Unfortunetly, Catholic teaching now believes that even Muslims will go to heaven. Bugger. Most modern theologians believe it is very hard to go to hell. The big difference between Christianity and Islam is that one follows a teaching of love without condition, while the other teaches blind obedience to “laws”, even if those laws are abhorrent. Very few Catholics follows the “laws ” of the Church, but they do try to love…
        
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        June 13, 2017 10:44am
      - MCos
        
        Interesting you should say that because Bernie Sanders got into some sort of fracas with fellow law makers in the last couple of days in the US because the other chap said only Christians could enter heaven.
        I have a religion contact who can give me the inside word on current Catholic thinking. I’ll make some enquiries.
        As for the Muslim angle; I’d like to hear from an adherent of the faith rather than an outsider. Having said that there’s probably multiple opinions depending who one speaks to, as with Christians
        
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        June 13, 2017 1:05pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Interesting you should say that because Bernie Sanders got into some sort of fracas with fellow law makers in the US because the other chap said only Christians could enter heaven…Having said that there’s probably multiple opinions depending who one speaks to, as with Christians
        
        Sanders’ interlocutor is an evangelical (Protestant pietist, maybe even Dispensationalist) Christian, albeit educated at Wheaton, one of the “Big Five” evangelical colleges in the US, rather than a pick-up truck driver from Texas who just reads his Bible and believes that and what his pastor of the creation science website tells him:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Vought
        
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        June 13, 2017 1:12pm
      - Fletch
        
        The Catechism of the Church addresses this –
        
        “Outside the Church there is no salvation”
        
        846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
        
        Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
        
        847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
        
        Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
        
        848 “Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men.”338
        
        Specifically concerning non-Catholic Christians, the Catechism notes:
        
        The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter. Those who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church. With the Orthodox churches, this communion is so profound that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist.
        
        http://scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm#846
        
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        June 13, 2017 7:45pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Great. Now we’ve sorted that out, can we get to the bit where the wizard chants the incantations that turn wafers and wine into flesh and blood?
        
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        June 13, 2017 8:18pm
  - calendar girl
    
    I don’t believe that the Bill English Government realises how important the immigration issue is becoming for the forthcoming general election.
    
    The Labour Party has stolen a predictable march with its early policy announcement of a substantial reduction in overall immigration. While much of it is supposedly directed at widespread ‘tertiary education’ scams (and it’s about time that they were addressed seriously), much of middle-NZ will see Little’s announcement as a meaningful step in the right direction that will also reduce worrying levels of Muslim immigration.
    
    The Government’s attempts to justify excessive immigration on economic grounds are too remote, and are not getting through to voters at large. A significant part of middle-NZ is increasingly fearful of the erosion of this country’s character and social fabric, as well as an exacerbation of excessive property costs. (Terrorist attacks in a country like England add to anxiety about low-value immigration.)
    
    Bill English and Steven Joyce are not hearing the vibes of the electorate on immigration.
    
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    June 13, 2017 9:47am
  - calendar girl
    
    I don’t believe that the Bill English Government realises how important the immigration issue is becoming for the forthcoming general election.
    
    The Labour Party has stolen a predictable march with its early policy announcement of a substantial reduction in overall immigration. While much of it is supposedly directed at widespread ‘tertiary education’ scams (and it’s about time that they were addressed seriously), much of middle-NZ will see Little’s announcement as a meaningful step in the right direction that will also reduce worrying levels of Muslim immigration.
    
    The Government’s attempts to justify excessive immigration on economic grounds are too remote, and are not getting through to voters at large. A significant part of middle-NZ is increasingly fearful of the erosion of this country’s character and social fabric, as well as an exacerbation of excessive property costs. (Terrorist attacks in a country like England add to anxiety about low-value immigration.)
    
    Bill English and Steven Joyce are not hearing the vibes of the electorate on immigration.
    
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    June 13, 2017 9:51am
    - KevOB
      
      Labour’s hidden team are pulling out issues while National is actually governing. No one except the envious would welcome jobs being cut in our international teaching sector. No one who understands the contribution to our ability to pay for imports would deny it either. That sector is well established and also assists tourism. These things pay for our petrol etc. They see to their own accommodation.
      The immigration rights attached to schooling here are nebulous and depend on the government at the time. People may come here with hope but there is no guarantee of work rights or staying. That has to be established person by person by application after qualifying. A ministerial tightening there may be all that is merited or required.
      
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      June 13, 2017 10:29am
    - Gabby
      
      Bingles knows that the kiwis who kount demand a low wage economy and unaffordable houses to strip away disposable income.
      
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      June 13, 2017 5:57pm
kowtow

More diversity dividend.

“Eight new districts in Sweden have been added to a high-profile police list of ‘especially vulnerable areas’, where crime rates and poverty levels are often high, reports Swedish newspaper DN.”

“Especially vulnerable” is Swedish for Muslim.

https://www.thelocal.se/20170612/especially-vulnerable-areas-increase-in-sweden-report
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- stephieboy
  
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  kowtow, the closing of the New Zealnd and Swedish Mind !
  
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  June 13, 2017 8:33am
- Scott
  
  Apparently Sweden was very low crime country. Now crime is in the middle range relative to other countries. Given the example of the Muslim insurgency /rebellion in the UK, it’s only a matter of time for Sweden. Malmo is already the rape capital of Scandinavia.
  
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  June 13, 2017 8:38am
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    Scott , Malmo is already the rape capital of Scandinavia ?
    
    Evidence other than ther usual e local , Daily Mail etc and other alt right rags ?
    
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39056786
    
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    June 13, 2017 8:59am
    - VicParking
      
      http://pamelageller.com/?s=Malmo
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:19am
      - stephieboy
        
        Vic Parking , Pamela Geller ? Playing some kind of sick joke ?
        
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        June 13, 2017 1:16pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        She’s rather hot. But I can’t choose between her and Ann Coulter.
        
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        June 13, 2017 2:11pm
    - Inandout
      
      So says the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation, which if things go right, will have their viewer licence income curtailed. Stiffy, you can only run a marxist TV service in the UK if someone else funds it.
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:25am
    - simpleton1
      
      Looks like the highest in Europe.
      
      http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate
      South Africa has had the highest rape rate since 2004.
      Sweden ranked first for rape rate amongst European Union in 2010.
      All of the top 3 countries by rape rate are Sub-Saharan African.
      Belgium ranked first for rape rate amongst NATO countries in 2010.
      Australia ranked second for rape rate amongst High income OECD countries in 2010.
      All of the top 6 countries by rape rate are Christian.
      United States ranked third for rape rate amongst Cold countries in 2010.
      France ranked second for rape rate amongst Eurozone in 2009.
      Iceland ranked third for rape rate amongst Europe in 2009.
      Moldova ranked first for rape rate amongst Eastern Europe in 2010.
      
      More than double of NZ.
      
      Saudi Arabia, has a perfect rate as befits its sitting on UN woman’s rights, and chairing UN human rights committees.
      Low rapes numbers from many of the Islamic countries would make it seem only good people can come from there.
      Yeah right, no slant on those statistics as some would point out 🙂 as they follow the “perfect man” to become the “perfect country”.
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:40am
- Manolo
  
  Well, well, well. The stupid Swedes asked for it, didn’t they?
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:19am
  - waikatosinger
    
    I’d like to see our entire refugee quota given over to young and good looking Swedish women.
    
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    June 13, 2017 9:45am
    - Longknives
      
      I’ve got a spare room at my place that a couple of Swedish Girls can have Waikatosinger!
      See? Turns out I do have ‘Compassion’ and ‘Tolerance’ for Refugees…
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:56am
      - VicParking
        
        And they are used to being raped
        
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        June 13, 2017 10:37am
    - simpleton1
      
      Unfortunately many of the young are part of the “welcome refugees” and expect their government to give housing, education and health benefits.
      
      http://www.lejournalinternational.fr/Sweden-refugees-should-be-able-to-start-over_a3474.html
      
      Sadly it would seem that many of the Swedish woman, escaping the bad parts of Sweden, would love to educate us to help refugees to start over.
      
      Long knives, you do not know what you are letting yourself in for. Yes some education would be needed for you, and I am sure they will teach you well. 🙂
      Will they also in prison you in Stockholm syndrome? or can you create a new syndrome. 😉
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:56am
    - stephieboy
      
      waikatosinger , a turn on factor lurking underneath ?
      
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      June 13, 2017 1:17pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo, asked for what ?
    
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    June 13, 2017 1:16pm
    - Manolo
      
      Violent attacks from sexually-repressed Muslims. Does that please you?
      
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      June 13, 2017 1:30pm
sooty

Well no muslim ban by flop little. Hes going to stop the students coming. That took some strength and leadership.
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June 13, 2017 8:32am
- Happychappy
  
  sooty:
  Is it him or TV Three Journalist making Policy I would suggest they tell him the subject and he tries to sell it.
  
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  June 13, 2017 8:42am
- mandk
  
  “Hes going to stop the students coming”
  
  I’m sure the comrades in the Tertiary Education Union will quickly correct his thinking on that one.
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:08am
  - sooty
    
    Yep. All union members, the lot of them, or soon will be. Thats going to work well for flop. May just have to flip flop again.
    
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    June 13, 2017 11:22am
JIV

Since the previously informative Kiwiblog site has been inundated with idiotic trolls, is there a similar tree hugging, climate worrying, muslim loving blog that I could start trolling? Any ideas??
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June 13, 2017 8:37am
- stephieboy
  
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  JIV , why not try and jump into bed ( so to speak ) with Whale Blubber and Comrade Redbaiter .
  
  Sure to roll out the” red” carpet ( pun intended )
  
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  June 13, 2017 8:57am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Name-calling is so pre-2008 Stephieboy. When you have to resort to low level abuse like that, it’s clear you have already lost the argument.
    
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    June 13, 2017 9:04am
    - mikenmild
      
      Don’t forget to jump on every instance of name calling, otherwise people might start thinking you are a hypocrite.
      
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      June 13, 2017 9:23am
      - itstricky
        
        There was a bit of fat shaming yesterday that KS missed. He did post on that item as well.
        
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        June 13, 2017 2:20pm
  - JIV
    
    S-Boy and Will of O must read an echo chamber every morning to cuddle up to similar simpletons who convince each other that they follow the only true belief system. I’d like to peruse that blog and start quoting Alt Left at them in every sentence and possibly throw some climate facts that dont use the word “could”.
    
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    June 13, 2017 9:23am
    - itstricky
      
      must read an echo chamber every morning
      
      He says, as 50 KBers pat each other on the backs for hiding posts. ROTFL.
      
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      June 13, 2017 2:22pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Bang goes another irony meter…
        
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        June 13, 2017 3:48pm
- VicParking
  
  The Standard……LOL
  
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  June 13, 2017 10:38am
sooty

How is flop little going to get the unemployed to go to work? Is he going run a bus service with mini vans going around town, waking them up, giving them breakfast and a packed lunch. Return them home after work. Or stop the dole. The leftys are not going to like that are they.
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June 13, 2017 8:43am
- VicParking
  
  How is he going to get them to pass the drug test
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:21am
cas

Did Angry Andy deliberately time his immigration policy announcement to coincide with the America’s Cup so he wouldn’t be questioned too hard about it?
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June 13, 2017 9:03am
- VicParking
  
  No it was because TV3 and Red Radio told him the slot they had available for him to announce their policy.
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:23am
- mikenmild
  
  Questioned quite hard of Morning Report, funnily enough. Guyon Espiner presented quite a good case for letting in thousands of waiters and low level students. Probably worried that the price of a three-course meal in Ponsonby might rise too much for him.
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:24am
  - Gabby
    
    Spinner was very keen for Andy to say whether he loved Winston as much as Winston loved him.
    
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    June 13, 2017 7:11pm
- howitis
  
  Little is right on cutting back the low quality riff raff that enter the country on completely bollocks courses.
  
  Sadly he could not sell a glass of water to a thirsty man in a desert.
  His eyes are simply crazy cat-man eyes. It may be the Labour gender balancing thing. Instead of a crazy cat-lady they brought in a crazy cat-man who has never won an open and fair election.
  Perhaps Little watched too many earlier Steve Buscemi movies and tries to replicate with the tics and apparent (or real) craziness.
  It works. He looks crazy.
  If he changed his name by deed poll (A. Little does not do him a lot of favours anyway) to ‘Crazy Eyes’ people would know who he is more readily on the voting paper.
  
  Little is so insincere. This is amplified by his weird mannerisms.
  He appears to not understand a thing he talks about. He does half paragraph after half paragraph. He does not finish points.
  I was at a presentation in 2009 where he was a speaker. He was president of the Labour Party then.
  I listened to him talk. He sounded like a lawyer. He was not very high profile then and Labour had just been turfed out. I asked him in question time if he was trained as lawyer. He said NO.
  That is weird.
  It is an outright LIE. There was not even any need to lie.
  Since then I would never trust a word from his weirdly gyrating mouth.
  His mannerisms are those of someone who does not believe his own bullshit, if indeed he UNDERSTANDS any of it in the first place.
  I guess they are ‘talking points’ he has to memorise and he is not even good at that!
  
  I am akshully starting to feel sorry for members of the Labour Caucus that had this crazy critter thrust upon them by dodgy unionists. Truly I am!
  
  I am also now seriously wondering about the merits of universal suffrage.
  
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  June 13, 2017 11:02am
Manolo

Europe digs its own grave:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4597026/Terror-leader-allowed-MARRY-prison-Belgium.html

Belgium’s most notorious terror recruiter has been allowed to marry the mother of his three children from behind bars.

Fouad Belkacem, 35, wed the woman in Hasselt prison several weeks ago in a move that activists and politicians fear could stop him being deported back to Morocco.

Under the alias of Abu Imran, Belkacem ran the Islamist website Sharia4Belgium which aimed to turn the European nation into an Islamic state.
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June 13, 2017 9:18am
JasonJohns

Looks like the DUP will be making Biblical science a bottom line in its negotiations with the Tories. UK will get a truly conservative government at last.
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June 13, 2017 9:25am
- mikenmild
  
  ‘Biblical science’
  Oxymoron of the day. Are you sure you didn’t mean ‘bibulous science’?
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:27am
mikenmild

Sad news for Wellingtonians today:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/culture/93610635/john-mcintyre-childrens-bookshop-owner-dies-aged-65
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June 13, 2017 9:26am
- VicParking
  
  RIP.
  
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  June 13, 2017 10:39am
Kimbo

GODWIN’S LAW PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT : The Kiwiblog Fascist of the week

Since the disappearance of the New Zealand Taxpayers’ Union “~~Over-simplification~~ Quote of the Week” there has been a yawning gap in the Kiwiblog ensemble every Tuesday morning. I would like to recommend a replacement – the Kiwiblog fascist of the week. Yes, I know we like to rail against lefty pinkos and snowflakes, but, hey, a bit of critical self-examination does not go astray, and may assist our credibility as a responsible blog that attracts considered right wing opinion….rather than being the ideological opposite yet blood brother of…The Standard. 😉

Now, it has been noted that some of the usual suspects – take a bow Reid and EAD – have tried the David Irving holo~~caust~~hoax thing in the past seven days. However, as that is a well-worn and predictable path, I would like to nominate someone whose commitment to totalitarian dictatorship, and stamping out dissenting opinion, much less something they just don’t like is more subtle. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you…

holysheet

Nah Holysheets law is especially simpler for simpletons to understand.
#1 To get those who think they are better than the rest of us, to fuck off and leave us to make the odd mistake in peace.

#2 To get dumbarse commenters on KB to observe the wishes of the majority and fuck off…

JUNE 12, 2017 5:35PM

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/general_debate_12_june_2017.html

Let’s deconstruct that so we can get to the real message holysheet is peddling. Note the assumption that some on Kiwiblog “who think they are better than the rest of us”. A classic case of psychological projection, and who else, other than fascists think that one class of people are better than another, over-compensate because they might not be it, and solve that problem by…first excluding, then removing their perceived rivals?

And let’s not forget, fascists are populists. Note then the veneer of an appeal to democracy – “dumbarse commenters on KB to observe the wishes of the majority and fuck off”. In other words, the tyranny of the 51% which holysheet purports to represent, that is maintained by demanding the silencing and excluding of that which they do not like.

So, take a bow, hs, you’ve well and truly earned my nomination for “Kiiwblog Fascist of the Week”
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June 13, 2017 9:40am
- Rich Prick
  
  You’ve, unwittingly perhaps, just added another carriage to today’s train werck.
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:58am
  - Kimbo
    
    “unwittingly”
    
    In the past I would have bitten, but as the updated version of Kimbo’s law concerns emphatic adverbs,…
    
    …so no, nothing unwittingly about it at all. Stand by, as the obligatory Hugh Pavletich post of the day is due in a couple of minutes Don’t like it? Then maybe the crap shoot that is “General Debate” isn’t for you;)
    
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    June 13, 2017 10:07am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      dog meet bone
      
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      June 13, 2017 12:51pm
- holysheet
  
  Aw shucks Kimbo, such high praise indeed. I really really don’t need all this attention.
  I note you ignored the rest of my post yesterday. Just for you I will repost and await your answer.
  
  “By the way, since you have already being using your “laws’ in the public arena, you cannot get them trademarked, so you are talking unadulterated shit when you mentioned your IP lawyer. Did you find him in the Mt Roskill community centre. Not Stoooopidboy by any chance is it? You are good companions here on KB along with the other village idiot, little willy”
  
  What say you Kimbo?
  
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  June 13, 2017 10:24am
  - Kimbo
    
    No problem, holysheet. Anything for a friend. And no, didn’t ignore it as such. However, as it was not relevant to the matter of the award for which I have nominated you, and you deserve to win, I didn’t want to do a “Jada Pinkett Smith” and get in the faces of the judges at the Academy with distractions.
    
    The legal expenses I’ve incurred from my other good Kiwiblog friend and legal expert, David Garrett, who handled the IP registration and suggested modifications for Kimbo’s law…indicates either you are wrong…or I’m being over-billed.
    
    As DG is an honourable man, I’ll go for the first option. But if you can post a picture of an LLB on your wall, I’ll consider it a valid second opinion. 😉
    
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    June 13, 2017 10:29am
    - holysheet
      
      Experience in obtaining and owning various trademarks out trumps any bit of flaky paper on a wall.
      
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      June 13, 2017 10:39am
      - Kimbo
        
        Deserved uptick from me. Nonetheless, it sounds like you are using a bit of “I’m better than those intellectuals” reverse snobbery, there holysheet. See what I mean about that “projection” thing? Now, where do I send the invoice for my psychological consultation fees? But don’t worry, my services for researching and drafting that “Kiwiblog Fascist of the Week” nomination are pro bono.
        
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        June 13, 2017 10:43am
      - holysheet
        
        Three Kick Rule
        
        A big city lawyer went duck hunting in rural North Cowra. He shot and dropped a bird, but it fell into a farmer’s field on the other side of a fence.
        As the lawyer climbed over the fence, an elderly farmer drove up on his tractor and asked him what he was doing. The litigator responded, “I shot a duck and it fell in this field, and now I’m going to retrieve it.”
        The old farmer Peter replied, “This is my property, and you are not coming over here.”
        The indignant lawyer said, “I am one of the best trial lawyers in Australia and, if you don’t let me get that duck, I’ll sue you and take everything you own.”
        The old farmer smiled and said, “Apparently, you don’t know how we settle disputes in North Cowra . We settle small disagreements like this with the ‘Three Kick Rule.’
        The lawyer asked, “What is the ‘Three Kick Rule’?”
        The Farmer replied, “Well, because the dispute occurs on my land, I get to go first. I kick you three times and then you kick me three times and so on back and forth until someone gives up.”
        The lawyer quickly thought about the proposed contest and decided that he could easily take the old codger. He agreed to abide by the local custom.
        The old farmer slowly climbed down from the tractor and walked up to the attorney. His first kick planted the toe of his heavy steel-toed work boot into the lawyer’s groin and dropped him to his knees!
        His second kick to t he midriff sent the lawyer’s last meal gushing from his mouth. The lawyer was on all fours when the farmer’s third kick to his rear end, sent him face-first into a fresh cow pie.
        Summoning every bit of his will and remaining strength the lawyer very slowly managed to get to his feet. Wiping his face with the arm of his jacket, he said, “Okay, you old fart. Now it’s my turn.”
        The old farmer smiled and said, “Nah, I give up. You can have the duck.”
        
        When you are educated, you’ll believe only half of what you hear.
        When you’re intelligent, you know which half.
        
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        June 13, 2017 10:50am
      - Kimbo
        
        Cheers, holysheet. Well done. I bow to your superior practical legal knowledge, far more weighty than a piece of paper.
        
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        June 13, 2017 10:55am
      - holysheet
        
        Thanks kimbo, back at you.
        All bush lawyers don’t live in the bush.
        
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        June 13, 2017 10:57am
- KevOB
  
  This is WO.
  
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  June 13, 2017 10:34am
  - Kimbo
    
    Hmm. A bit like a refugee zone, isn’t it? All those whom Pete Belt banished had to go somewhere to find a home.
    
    But AgentBallSack (where is he lately, btw?) has been part of the cultural dividend that has enriched Kiwiblog.
    
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    June 13, 2017 10:52am
  - KevOB
    
    Ignore.
    I think this was meant to say “This is not WO” in response to a post which seems to have now disappeared.
    
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    June 13, 2017 5:18pm
RF

Did I miss something.

Angrys press release concerning Labours golden bullet to solve our immigration issues has turned out to be a dead duck.

I heard him trying to explain it to Larry Williams yesterday but gave up as he was burbling away and very hard to understand.

This is another one of Labours half baked policies that fails.
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June 13, 2017 10:08am
- mikenmild
  
  Perhaps you feel we should be letting in more waiters, taxi drivers and fruit pickers.
  
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  June 13, 2017 10:21am
  - VicParking
    
    Fruit pickers yes. They are hard working, sober, drug free and dont supliment their pay by robbing my home.
    PS. They also turn up for work.
    
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    June 13, 2017 10:42am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      They turn up for work on the second day to work with something that they had not sabotaged on the first day
      
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      June 13, 2017 1:02pm
    - Paulus
      
      And the students in the fruit packing sector, mostly young chinese, turn up on time, every shift and are very adept at their roles – could not do without them.
      Don’t talk about the local ferals sent by Winz – they turn up for a couple of days, late and stoned, then never seen again.
      
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      June 13, 2017 1:29pm
  - mandk
    
    There are waiters who put food on the table, and then there are superstar waiters.
    
    I went to a dinner at Shed 5 last Christmas, and the waiter, from France, turned a good meal into a memorable and brilliant occasion.
    
    I chatted to him at the end of the meal and found out he had trained at tertiary level for three years to get his qualification.
    
    NZ needs more people like him, if we are to develop a higher value added tourism sector.
    
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    June 13, 2017 12:36pm
    - kowtow
      
      3 years to learn plate , table , put?
      
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      June 13, 2017 1:07pm
      - mandk
        
        We’re not talking Cobb & Co here, we’re talking fine dining.
        
        There’s a huge difference between being a waiter and being a plate deliverer.
        
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        June 13, 2017 1:43pm
      - mikenmild
        
        To be fair, it is quite complicated. Just remembering the right fork, for example:
        Dinner Fork
        Fish Fork
        Luncheon Fork
        Salad Fork
        Dessert Fork
        Seafood Fork
        Lobster Fork
        Fruit Fork;
        Ice-Cream Fork
        Pastry Fork
        Strawberry Fork
        Snail Fork
        Oyster Fork
        and probably a hell of a lot more.
        Plus, this super waiter has to learn all those names in at least two languages.
        
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        June 13, 2017 3:54pm
      - kowtow
        
        Fork orf.
        
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        June 13, 2017 4:05pm
- Garbageman
  
  He is getting an absolute slamming on the news from the teachers unions how’s that for karma, a good old Union dust up will be fun to watch as the teachers will not go down without a fight, once again Andy proving his world class timing and foot in mouth skills
  
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  June 13, 2017 11:09am
DifferentPerspective

Banning the burka

Well, well, well – socialist nirvana Norway is planning on banning the muslim veil in all forms in schools!

It’s a start in making Islam’s fundamental sexism unacceptable. To all the silly billies who weep “What can you do about muslim terrorism” – this is a start!

Funny what happens in a resolutely progressive country when you inject it with the cultural carcinogen of Islam and they’ve had a few years to experience the diversity dividends of muslim rape, violence and sexism!

The party that puts this forward as a policy in our election is going to get two ticks from me!

Socialists are always sanctimoniously pointing out how progressive the Scandinavian social policy approach is – let’s see how many lefties get behind this gender equality initiative?
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June 13, 2017 10:19am
Stars And Stripes

Rotorua iwi to protest DHB cultural unit cut
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/332896/rotorua-iwi-to-protest-dhb-cultural-unit-cut.
“A Rotorua iwi is planning a protest march and is demanding an apology after Rotorua Hospital said iwi members were no longer wanted for its cultural ambassador unit.
And for the last 20 years Ngāti Whakaue and the Lakes District Health Board have recognised their special relationship through the work of a cultural team called Te Hunga Manaaki, which acts as a bridge between clinical staff and Māori patients and their whānau”.

After reading the article I still have no idea exactly what a “cultural ambassador unit” does except some vague waffle about building bridges with whanau.
Sounds like jobs for the boys to me.
I fear the only way all this can be sorted out is with generous helpings of koha.
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June 13, 2017 10:24am
- holysheet
  
  I thought whanau ora was to cover all this kind of racist shit. Don’t tell me there is more going on.
  
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  June 13, 2017 10:29am
- VicParking
  
  They are upset because their faces have been pulled from the trough.
  
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  June 13, 2017 10:44am
cmm

Rogue car hits children…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/93316950/two-children-hit-by-car-in-waiuku-rural-south-auckland

Nothing to do with the driver. The car just got decided to go “rogue”.

Good thing there are no self driving cars then.
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June 13, 2017 10:32am
Jack5

“Counselling is being provided”. “Christchurch schoolchildren still need counselling” [six years after the big quakes]. You hear these comments repeatedly in the media.

They could be the diametrically wrong reaction to traumatic events.

Britain’s top psychiatrist, Sir Simon Wesseley, in a Telegraph interview, says survivors of the terrorist attacks should not be encouraged to have counselling because reliving their trauma could simply make it worse.

Sir Simon, president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, said research since Britain’s 2005 “7/7” bombings suggested that routine counselling could traumatise those who would otherwise have recovered from their experiences.

“All the research we have done, going right back to the blitz, then to the London bombs, all the big traumas we have had – show that most of the time most of the way people get better is by talking to their own social networks,” he said.

“They talk to their friends and family, their colleagues. That’s what 90 per cent of people do and that’s the most helpful thing. They don’t need us,” said the psychiatrist.

“Counselling is being provided” – time to reassess this now standard reaction?
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June 13, 2017 10:43am
- mikenmild
  
  The need for counselling is very much dependent on the circumstance of an individual’s case. Often helpful; sometimes not.
  
  BTW, have you learned how to count those comments yet, Jack?
  
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  June 13, 2017 10:49am
  - Jack5
    
    Milky, I suspect what you know about psychiatry could be written on the back of a postage stamp with a carpenter’s pencil.
    
    As for the Milky comments total, I know your down ticks must be approaching at least 300,000! The likely diagnosis for Milky: blog posting masochism.
    
    Forty of your posts in one thread the night before last, Milky, and yet your post total is still under 29,960! You’ve stunned the counting algorithm into malfunction.
    
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    June 13, 2017 11:10am
    - mikenmild
      
      I guess that’s as close as we’ll get to hearing that you have figured it out. No need to thank me – I’m always happy to help you out.
      
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      June 13, 2017 11:18am
      - Manolo
        
        I bow to your superior speed, mikenmild.
        I think I had already clocked 14,000 posts when you started.
        
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        June 13, 2017 11:23am
  - Lance
    
    But MM
    Your postings “Hidden due to low comment rating” doesn’t really count does it?
    
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    June 13, 2017 1:23pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Lance , why ?
      
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      June 13, 2017 2:25pm
      - Lance
        
        Irony alert
        
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        June 13, 2017 3:00pm
Ross Nixon

I thought this was an interesting amd reasonably valid comment:

“The Right to Vote Should Attach to Only Those Who Pay Taxes”.

Given that 60% of Kiwis pay no net tax (does that include GST?), then I imagine the 40% of higher income earners would see the end of leftist parties and even the socialist policies of National.

BRING IT ON!

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/the-right-to-vote-should-attach-to-only-those-who-pay-taxes
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June 13, 2017 10:46am
- Gabby
  
  That bullshit number includes the richpricks who organise it so they have no taxable income, right?
  
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  June 13, 2017 6:21pm
Stars And Stripes

So much talk at the moment about reducing immigration numbers as the country is over burdened and cannot cope.
Refugees are some of the most expensive and least useful arrivals but their numbers have been increased and the pressure is on to increase it further.
Go figure.
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June 13, 2017 10:48am
- mikenmild
  
  Not really a contradiction. Refugee numbers are not such as would place much pressure on infrastructure or employment opportunities.
  We can have a more intelligent immigration policy without excluding refugees.
  
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  June 13, 2017 10:51am
  - Jack5
    
    Slow down on the donkey posts, Milky. You’ll get to 30,000 posts soon enough. No need for a mad rush.
    
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    June 13, 2017 11:12am
  - Paulus
    
    Refugee number are enlarged by the ability to bring families afterwards.
    Ahmed Zaoui is reported to have brought in 18 family members.
    I think I read recently that one family has brought in over 40 family members from Afghanistan I think.
    I think that recent new policy is to limit this – should have been done many years ago.
    
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    June 13, 2017 1:34pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Paulus , which will lead to White Genocide ?
      
      Right ?
      
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      June 13, 2017 2:26pm
- kowtow
  
  Our politicians are imposing a huge burden on tax payers when they bring in these Syrians.
  
  We’re told on the one hand that we get the cream of the crop (bullshit) and yet on the other we’re told they’re traumatised and need help.
  
  All so our pollies can virtue signal on the domestic and international front.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/health/refugee-counselling-big-unmet-need
  
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  June 13, 2017 11:28am
- artemisia
  
  Follow the money.
  
  And there is a lot of it available for refugees, now and future.
  
  And not a little will be for culturally appropriate initiatives, thus people. No prizes for guessing who.
  
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  June 13, 2017 1:23pm
rightoverlabour

Concerning the election and Labours surprise result in England. I think we need to stop comparing the two situations. Brexit had a strong undertone in that election, and many of the youth that voted Labour were probably anti Brexit. We don’t have that polarising situation here, and our economy is sound. The biggest issue is housing, and most homeowners are not going to vote for idiots that are going to crash that market. Everything else is a sideshow.
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June 13, 2017 10:54am
Keeping Stock

The Pot; Meet Kettle Award for the day goes to Rt Hon Winston Peters for this gem:

Winston Peters‏ @winstonpeters · 19 hours ago

Replying to @winstonpeters @nzlabour @NZNationalParty

Labour’s immigration policy. A touch too xenophobic?

If anyone knows what it is to be xenophobic, it is Peters.
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June 13, 2017 10:55am
Manolo

Living on borrowed time:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/12/theresa-may-apologies-backbenchers-election-mess
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June 13, 2017 11:05am
dime

lol god i hate the left.

look at this turd out of chicago

http://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/news/2017/06/06/disney-interactive-nintendo-challenge-chicago-tax.html?ana=yahoo&yptr=yahoo

This murderous dump of a city has an “amusement tax” of 9%.

“Los Angeles-based Disney Interactive and Electronic Arts are among the companies challenging Chicago’s 9 percent tax on electronic entertainment.

The Windy City reinterpreted its 2015 Amusement Tax to include video games and audio and video streaming services — including Spotify and Netflix.”

“This discriminatory tax makes Chicagoans’ lives more expensive just because they live in the 21st century and choose to play video games online,” ESA CEO Michael Gallagher said in a statement. “As one of the most innovative and rapidly growing industries in Illinois, we are proud to take this fight to court and stand up for consumers. Chicago’s tax bureaucrats are out of line in extending their reach beyond legal limits imposed by federal law.”
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June 13, 2017 11:23am
Manolo

Didn’t Chicago produce some politician named Obama? 😀
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June 13, 2017 11:24am
- kowtow
  
  That was Kenya. Same thing though.
  
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  June 13, 2017 11:30am
  - mikenmild
    
    Birther alert. I guess there had to be some of those cranks still holding out.
    
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    June 13, 2017 11:32am
    - dime
      
      shit head alert. i guess its not a busy day at the council
      
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      June 13, 2017 11:45am
mikenmild

Nice move: – the COVFEFE Act:
http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/337416-covefe-act-would-make-social-media-a-presidential-record
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June 13, 2017 11:27am
Manolo

The religion of peace lives up to its principles:
https://apnews.com/45da20b998174508ae256e238f909911/Ramadan-toll-shows-Islamic-State-in-pitched-recruiting-race

Its strongholds in Iraq and Syria slipping from its grasp, the Islamic State group threatened to make this year’s Ramadan a bloody one at home and abroad.

With attacks in Egypt, Britain and Iran among others and a land-grab in the Philippines, the group is trying to divert attention from its losses and win over supporters around the world in the twisted competition for jihadi recruits during the Muslim holy month.
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June 13, 2017 11:37am
- Reid
  
  Yes. You’d think their doing ops (e.g. in Iran) during Ramadan might give the few sheeple who still hallucinate they just coalesced like majik out of the desert sand a clue they’re not who they claim to be, wouldn’t ya. But any sheeple dumb enough not yet to have worked that out doesn’t have much hope of grasping yet another even more obvious clue like that. Do they.
  
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  June 13, 2017 11:53am
  - Gabby
    
    So what’s the goatles’ next move with their muslipawns o dark one?
    
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    June 13, 2017 6:35pm
- Inandout
  
  It will never happen here, it will never happen here.
  
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  June 13, 2017 1:05pm
Reid

mm of course thinks the COVVEFE act would be a bad thing. This is because mm understands nothing about everything.

Trumped!: How Tweets, Trolls, and Memes Won the Presidency for Donald Trump

received a copy of the color version from the author and totally recommend the color version over the black and white version. Amazon has really got the color production line perfected, and color in this book adds a third dimension that is missing from the less expensive but much blander black and white version. I cannot over-state this: the color as planned by the author and executed by Amazon jumps off the page and grabs you by the throat. This is a phenomenal multi-dimensional book, a deep study in cultural linquistics and symbology, and I suspect it will become a classroom and presidential campaign planning staple.

The substance matches the form. This is a brilliant chronology with many sidebars that documents the 2016 campaign as it happened online. Perhaps not the intention of the author but certainly my take from all this: Donald Trump is a genius, a master magician, conductor, tuba voice, he manipulated both the mainstream media and the social media as if her were the high priest of modern communications, which he may well be.

History is included, showing how FDR won on radio, JFK on TV, Trump on Twitter.

The author nails the fake news media for bias and inaccuracy time and time again, and each time does so with utterly brilliant actual color examples from the timelines of each media source. This book is packed with quotes, facts, photos, graphics, statistics, memes illustrated and discussed, and much much more.

When all is said and done this book is a celebration of the Alternative Media, citizen journalists, and Twitter’s most powerful persistent user, Donald Trump, today the legitimately-elected President of the United States of America.

I totally recommend this book for citizens, students, and campaign managers. This is a work of genius at multiple levels.

http://phibetaiota.net/2017/06/125902/
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June 13, 2017 11:48am
Reid

The swamp is being drained, one small step after the other…

FOX NEWS VIDEO: Media Blackout: FBI, CIA, NSA, Obama’s Ambassador all hit with subpoenas!

http://investmentwatchblog.com/fox-news-video-media-blackout-fbi-cia-nsa-obamas-ambassador-all-hit-with-subpoenas/

and

Feinstein: “Congress Should Investigate If Lynch Pressured Comey To Cover For Hillary Clinton”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-11/feinstein-congress-should-investigate-if-lynch-pressured-comey-cover-hillary-clinton
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June 13, 2017 12:03pm
Fletch

New, restored footage of Bruce Lee in an actual fight is doing the rounds on youtube. This is sort of pre-MMA where each combatant had to wear protective gear and helmets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L89X-NC9b6A

Also new, restored footage of martial artist Vic Moore not able to block Lee’s punch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm7uLgLdk-E
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June 13, 2017 12:11pm
- dime
  
  Kung Fu – not something you see in MMA. bit of a garbage martial art tbh.
  
  Bruce a legend of course.
  
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  June 13, 2017 12:27pm
Reid

And more in the: ‘don’tcha just hate the left’ dept:

Former CIA Director under Bill Clinton, James Woolsey, is ‘stunned’ that former FBI Directors, James Comey leaked notes of private conversations with the President of the United States to his friend and then the press.

The CNN host, Fareed Zakaria, attempted to advocate on Comey’s behalf, suggesting that since Comey was a ‘private citizen’ he had the right to leak his notes. Woolsey was having none of that horseshit and said it was ‘stunning’ that ‘he would give up the secrecy of a conversation with the President of the United States.’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFb30ku3IeE
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June 13, 2017 12:52pm
- mikenmild
  
  It’s outrageous, really. Trump should be able to tell his version of conversations without meddlesome corrections from people who were there.
  
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  June 13, 2017 1:13pm
  - Reid
    
    It’s going to be so funny when Comey is indicted and eventually, imprisoned for what he’s done.
    
    Because you’ll still be making snide remarks backing up your political bedmate, won’t you.
    
    Even as he’s led offstage in handcuffs wearing an orange jumpsuit.
    
    Such is your immense hubris mm.
    
    That’s going to be a great day.
    
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    June 13, 2017 1:16pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , again bet Zero Hedge etc and you weren’t saying this in 2016 .
      
      What’s changed ?
      
      Illuminati sign language ?
      
      LOL
      
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      June 13, 2017 2:31pm
    - Gabby
      
      Are the goatles organising it as we sleep?
      
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      June 13, 2017 7:07pm
- waripori
  
  Woolsey was on the Trump transition team. He may not have clean hands in this either. Trump surrogates starting to lay the ground for sacking the Special Counsel. They must be worried about something. Maybe Jeff Sessions will explain a few things.
  
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  June 13, 2017 2:51pm
- Gabby
  
  Society will break down irrevocably if you can’t tell someone they’ll never work in this town again without them running off and blabbing, won’t it.
  
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  June 13, 2017 6:39pm
Reid

It’s Confirmed: Without Government Subsidies, Tesla Sales Implode

Denmark’s infatuation with green cars is well-known: the country’s bicycle-loving people bought 5,298 of them in 2015, more than double the amount sold that year in Italy, which has a population more than 10 times the size of Denmark’s. However, those phenomenal sales figures had as much to do with price and convenience as with environmental concerns: electric car dealers were for a long time spared the jaw-dropping import tax of 180 percent that Denmark applies on vehicles fueled by a traditional combustion engine.

Then, in the fall of 2015, everything changed: that’s when the government of Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen announced the progressive phasing out of tax breaks on electric cars…

…Nobody was hurt more than Tesla: the company, whose sales were skyrocketing at the time… in 2015 Tesla sold a total of 2,738 cars in Denmark. In 2016 the number dropped by 94% to just 176 units.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-11/its-confirmed-without-government-subsidies-tesla-sales-implode
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June 13, 2017 12:57pm
- stephieboy
  
  Zerohedge and yourself of course would like to see similar subsidies removed from all of the US car manufacturing industry ?
  
  Right ?
  
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  June 13, 2017 2:35pm
Odakyu-sen

Here’s a thought.
If a transgender man (who claims to be a woman) can compete with women in sports events (and win), then what is to stop a 25-year-old from competing with children and winning?
After all, if the 25-year-old says they are a child, who is to question it?
What is the difference between this and an XY-sex-chromosome-endowed individual wanting to compete with females?
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June 13, 2017 1:43pm
- Fletch
  
  Heh. Some woman is the subject of an SJW witch hunt because she made the mistake, in an article, of comparing transgenderism with transracialism.
  
  In late March, Hypatia, a feminist-philosophy journal, published an article titled “In Defense of Transracialism” by Rebecca Tuvel, an assistant professor of philosophy at Rhodes College in Memphis, as part of its spring 2017 issue. The point of the article, as the title suggests, is to toy around with the question of what it would mean if some people really were — as Rachel Dolezal claimed — “transracial,” meaning they identified as a race that didn’t line up with how society viewed them in light of their ancestry.
  
  http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/transracialism-article-controversy.html
  
  See, even if she didn’t mean to, you can’t draw attention to it like that. It only makes clear that if there is such a thing as transgenderism then an argument can’t also be made against transracialism. They are either both authentic “orientations”, or neither of them is. If a man can claim to be a woman when he isn’t really, then what is to stop a woman claiming to be black when she isn’t? I would say it’s even more outlandish for a man to claim to be a woman than someone to claim being of another race. It just draws attention to how absurd the whole thing is.
  
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  June 13, 2017 2:11pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Fletch,
    “If a man can claim to be a woman when he isn’t really, then what is to stop a woman claiming to be black when she isn’t?”
    
    Gender (ignoring the tiny rate of mutations naturally present in the population) will be either XX (female) or XY (male).
    
    Race, on the other hand, is a cline. This is similar to the issue of “what is Maori.” Presumably there are genetic tests that can pick up the presence of “African” genes or “Polynesian” genes in an individual.
    If a woman (with blonde hair and blue eyes) claimed to be “black,” and if “African” factors were present in her genes, then she could argue her case. Often, one’s phenotype suggests one race, when one’s genotype suggests another.
    
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    June 13, 2017 2:40pm
Odakyu-sen

I was shopping at Sylvia Park last week and there was a pop-up stall staffed by Indians who wanted to talk to me about how I could get a tax refund from the IRD.
Has anyone encountered this kind of pitch before, and is it a scam?

This article prompted me. Ref: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-finance/news/article.cfm?c_id=12&objectid=11875246
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June 13, 2017 1:49pm
- Fletch
  
  The only thing they are doing at the pop-up stall is doing the work that you can do yourself and probably taking a cut of your refund. Just ring up the IRD, or create an account at http://www.ird.govt.nz and it is easy to go through the online tax calculation thing to see if you are owed any money. Then you just fill out the PTS (personal tax summary) online (if you are owed money) and they send the money to your account.
  
  The tax calculator doesn’t send results to the IRD in the first place, so if you aren’t owed money (or if, in fact, you owe the IRD tax money) you don’t need to take it any further.
  
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  June 13, 2017 2:19pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: WHILE PM BILL ENGLISH BLATHERS … AUCKLAND HOUSING CONFIDENCE EVAPORATES …

… While PM Bill English blathers … watch and weep …

PM English says govt would look at shaking up anything to get Auckland housing supply moving; Says getting WaterCare around the table on land servicing a good idea | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88247/pm-english-says-govt-would-look-shaking-anything-get-auckland-housing-supply-moving

… Auckland housing confidence evaporates …

Barfoot and Thompson sold 17% at latest Manukau auction, 34% on the North Shore | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88257/barfoot-and-thompson-sold-17-latest-manukau-auction-34-north-shore

… because … no longer are people prepared to pay a million bucks for what should be $250 – $300,000 … refer …

2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

… Bill … what past of ‘3.0’ don’t you understand ? …

… Auckland is currently 10.0 Median Multiple … it should be at or below 3.0 …
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June 13, 2017 1:57pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I’ve long thought that to a large extent, Aucklanders have talked themselves into their house prices. Just sit in on any group having a dinner conversation, it’s all they talk about. Immigration just gives the illusion some currency. When they stop believing their own story, of course it will slow and probably reverse. Compare properties for sale at $1m in Auckland with any city in the US with a population of one million and a buoyant local economy and see what you get respectively. It’s a fascinating exercise.
  
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  June 13, 2017 3:08pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Rich Prick … Canada’s Garth Turner put it rather well late May in discussing Toronto …
    
    Garth Turners Greater Fool Blog … ‘MAYDAY ?’
    … h/t PH …
    
    http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/05/01/mayday-2/
    
    … extract …
    
    … That’s the funny thing about bubbles. Everybody’s horny to get their hands on rising assets – until they’re not. It always happens fast, whatever the asset and no matter the trigger. Greed is a powerful emotion, but it wilts before the dominance of fear. If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline), they’ll cease making the Herculean sacrifice required to buy one. And down she goes. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    About Garth Turner … Greater Fool Blog
    
    http://www.greaterfool.ca/about-garth-turner/
    
    … with this recent follow-up …
    
    Book and Weblog – Authored by Garth Turner — Greater Fool – Authored by Garth Turner – The Troubled Future of Real Estate
    
    http://www.greaterfool.ca/
    
    … extract …
    
    WARNING: What follows is based upon Toronto Real Estate statistics. Be advised it may contain misleading Frankenumbers, unhealthy assumptions, coarse calculations and adult situations. Reader discretion is advised.
    
    Average price drop during May: – 6.2%
    Total sales drop in GTA during May: – 12%
    Drop in sales year/year: – 20.3%
    Average price: $863,910
    Average detached house one-month price drop: –$64,221
    Decline year/year in detached sales: –26%
    Average price reduction (all properties) over one month: –$56,881
    One-month increase in new listings: 19.4%
    Increase in active listings year/year: 43%
    
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    June 13, 2017 5:16pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Harcourts says the house prices that were being achieved at the height of the market are no longer realistic | interest.co.nz
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88264/harcourts-says-house-prices-were-being-achieved-height-market-are-no-longer-realistic
      
      The country’s largest real estate agency says average house prices are starting to fall, and the inflated prices that were achievable last year are no longer realistic.
      
      Harcourts chief executive Chris Kennedy said the agency sold almost 15% fewer homes in May than it did in May last year, and average prices are being affected by declining sales.
      
      That is particularly noticeable in Auckland where the average price in May was below the average in May 2016, for the first time since sales started declining late last year.
      
      The average price of Auckland homes sold by Harcourts in May was $947,809 which was well below the $1,024,317 benchmark set in April this year, and down 0.7% compared to May last year.
      
      In Christchurch the slide in price has been even more severe, with May’s average sale price of $498,370 down 10% compared to the average price of $553,114 in May last year.
      
      “Vendors are starting to adjust their expectations when it comes to prices,” Kennedy said.
      
      “The inflated prices that were achievable at the very height of the market are no longer realistic.” … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      June 13, 2017 5:46pm
Longknives

Jesus Hugh- You could kill any Party with that boring drivel mate…
Get out More!
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June 13, 2017 2:15pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Longknives … It appears the Auckland bubble is bursting.
  
  Hardly boring.
  
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  June 13, 2017 2:38pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Huge Paveetich, a reminder that Longknives as an alt righer is not sharpest knife in the draw !
    
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    June 13, 2017 2:42pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Stephieboy … I’m getting numerous reports here in Christchurch about the housing market slowing up dramatically.
      
      Its best described really as a ‘buyers strike’.
      
      They are no longer willing to pay nonsense bubble prices … with grossly inflated mortgages.
      
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      June 13, 2017 2:52pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Its best described really as a ‘buyers strike’.
        They are no longer willing to pay nonsense bubble prices …’
        
        Yeah? Wheres your evidence that sentiment is driving the slow down in sales?
        Your comment smacks more of wishful thinking to support your narrative.
        Perhaps it’s over supply.
        
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        June 13, 2017 3:40pm
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      Are you trying to fat shame “Huge Paveetich” Stephieboy?.
      
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      June 13, 2017 2:59pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        I thought “Longknives … is not the sharpest knife in the draw” was hilarious – like being called “retarded” by the class spastic!
        
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        June 13, 2017 3:15pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Nostradamus
        
        If you don’t explain the obvious, I’m afraid your gem is going to be lost….
        I’m drawn to conclude that it is difficult for some folk to draw a distinction between draw, drawer and drawers.
        
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        June 13, 2017 3:54pm
      - Longknives
        
        Okay so I eat my Crayons every now and then- But I still get Higher Grades than Stephieboy!
        And at least I’m not as boring as Hugh…..
        
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        June 13, 2017 4:52pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Longknives … Do the calcs on the bubble value to be wiped out of the NZ housing market.
        
        I can assure you t wont be boring.
        
        Some reading …
        
        The Elites Have Destroyed The Status Quo’s Ability To Self-Correct | Zero Hedge
        
        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-03/elites-have-destroyed-status-quos-ability-self-correct
        
        http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.co.nz/2017/05/the-elites-have-destroyed-status-quos.html
        
        You may have seen these charts before, but they tell the story of a middle class in decline.
        
        For any system to endure, it must maintain a built-in capacity to self-correct: that is, it must generate accurate informational feedback about dangerous asymmetries and auto-correct with behavioral feedback.
        
        This is true of ecosystems and enterprises as well as political/social systems.
        
        Human systems can lose the ability to self-correct in three basic ways.
        
        1. The information feedback is no longer accurate because self-serving interests manipulate the data to maintain whatever narrative/data-flow supports their power, wealth and income.
        
        2. Self-serving interests limit any behavioral feedback that threatens their power, wealth and income.
        
        3. Those in positions of responsibility who are tasked with managing behavioral feedback are no longer accountable, so the needed behavioral feedback fails. … read more via hyperlinks above
        .
        .
        … Following on from the above, these earlier articles may be helpful as well …
        
        The risk is greater than the GFC if we can’t fix the housing crisis : John Hewson … The Melbourne Age
        
        http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-risk-is-greater-than-the-gfc-if-we-cant-fix-the-housing-crisis-20170309-guu4sf.html
        
        Inequality & Housing: Through the roof … The Economist
        
        http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21647349-rising-house-prices-may-be-chiefly-responsible-rising-inequality-through
        
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        June 13, 2017 8:29pm
      - sooty
        
        Hughs up late.
        
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Manolo

Hones and lovely natives:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/dominos-stops-deliveries-in-rotorua-suburb-after-vehicle-stolen/ar-BBCAbqU?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

Domino’s pizza will be pick-up only in one Rotorua suburb with the franchise suspending deliveries after a work vehicle was stolen.

It comes after a Domino’s delivery vehicle was stolen while a worker was dropping off pizza to a house in Fordlands at the start of June.

“Domino’s Koutu have recently ceased deliveries to the suburb of Fordlands at the request from local police, until further notice,” a Domino’s NZ spokesperson said in a statement.
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- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, how do you take precautions tby not being mixed up with the” lovely natives ” ?
  
  Sandwich board ? ”
  
  Im an Honouary White ” ?
  
  Corn starch paste ?
  
  LOL
  
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  June 13, 2017 2:38pm
  - Manolo
    
    All of the above, mate.
    
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    June 13, 2017 3:02pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, so you use cornpaste and flour to diguise the dark colour of your skin ?
      
      WOW!
      
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      June 13, 2017 3:23pm
      - Manolo
        
        They called me Marcel Marceau. Now google that.
        
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        June 13, 2017 3:37pm
- Rich Prick
  
  The book version of Once Were Warriors was set in the fictional Pine Block, but based on Rotorua’s actual Ford Block (as Fordlands is known locally). The book should have been classified as non-fiction. And that should tell you all you need to know about the place.
  
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  June 13, 2017 3:15pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Is it called Fordlands because everyone there drives a beaten-up 25 year old Falcon?
    
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    June 13, 2017 3:28pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Heh, except they can’t drive them, they’re all up on blocks outside burned-out state houses.
      
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      June 13, 2017 3:44pm
      - stigie
        
        I think you will find they are Holdens Rich Prick..?
        
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        June 13, 2017 4:37pm
Fletch

*Shakes head* Now the left have gone mental claiming that Jeff Sessions met with the Russians. You can’t make this stuff up. They’re all saying he should quit or be fired. At least one of these “meetings”, Sessions gave a speech and shook hands with officials, including a Russian official – that was extent of their “meeting”. Tucker Carlson interviews some crazy lady about it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAP7dTQRBr0

They have just lost the plot entirely. It’s all ‘Reds under the bed’ stuff.
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- itstricky
  
  It’s all ‘Reds under the bed’ stuff.
  
  He says, on KB, where calling your opponent a ‘commie’ without sarcasm is the ultimate, and oft used, put down.
  
  There have been some classics today. Is it self parody week?
  
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  June 13, 2017 3:26pm
- stephieboy
  
  ‘Tucker Carlson Tonight’ Takes Over Bill O’Reilly’s Timeslot — and Delivers the Same Bombast “(Column)
  
  “
  With characteristic, disingenuous smarm, Tucker Carlson debuted “Tucker Carlson Tonight” at the 8 p.m. hour on Fox News, taking over from disgraced anchor Bill O’Reilly. Carlson began the hour with a statement about O’Reilly that lionized the former Fox News host: “I watched Bill O’Reilly at this hour for years and I always marveled at how well-prepared he was, how tough he was, and how crisply and directly he expressed his views. What O’Reilly did was not easy — he set a high bar — and I’m going to do my best to meet it. Thanks for sticking with us.”
  
  Carlson’s program then proceeded to follow a template of the exact same demonizing, disingenuous rhetoric that has characterized his style for years and Fox News’ strategy for decades. When O’Reilly was let go from the network, the Murdoch family stated that they were prioritizing a culture shift at the network, which has been rocked by ongoing sexual harassment and racial discrimination scandals. Carlson, who has said that Democrats “made up the concept of sexual harassment,” did not seem like the most promising replacement….”
  
  http://variety.com/2017/tv/columns/tucker-carlson-tonight-review-bill-oreilly-caitlyn-jenner-1202394436/
  
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  June 13, 2017 3:29pm
  - Manolo
    
    Nobody forces anyone to watch, dear stephieboy. Tucker Carlson will continue succeeding, even if you do not like him.
    
    On the other hand, I believe you would make an excellent MSNBC viewer.
    
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    June 13, 2017 3:35pm
  - Fletch
    
    On the contrary, Carlson is a breath of fresh air. If he asks a question, he doesn’t let his interviewee pivot, or revert to talking points but comes back to the question he wants to be answered. He is clear, cuts through the bullshit and gets right to the heart of the matter. He has saved me a lot of yelling at the TV at liberals who deflect or come out with the most ludicrous of arguments. He asks the questions that *I* would ask of a liberal. He is a national treasure. Only brave lefties who are confident with lying dare go on his show.
    
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    June 13, 2017 3:59pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo , as you repeated ad nauseum with the “disgraced Bill O’Reilly. “
      
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      June 13, 2017 5:36pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Fletch , a definitive guide to examples of Carslon’s ” breath of fresh air ?
      
      Err is it Halatosis ?
      
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      June 13, 2017 5:39pm
rightoverlabour

Taking bets that this is P related.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/manukau-courier/93641849/four-burned-in-house-explosion-in-otara-auckland
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June 13, 2017 3:42pm
- mikenmild
  
  Not more Saffers trying to barbecue indoors?
  
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  June 13, 2017 3:58pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  This doesn’t make sense.
  
  “A fire fighter on the scene said the fire was not thought to be suspicious instead it was thought that a cigarette may have been lit in the upstairs bedroom, igniting another fuel source.”
  
  What highly explosive fuel sources are normally stored in bedrooms?
  
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  June 13, 2017 4:21pm
  - holysheet
    
    KY jelly maybe? mistaken for gelignite jellly?
    
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    June 13, 2017 4:28pm
    - stigie
      
      Explosive stuff that KY jelly, they hand it out with gay abandon on the fringes of Hagley Park so im led to believe..?
      
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      June 13, 2017 4:41pm
    - stephieboy
      
      holyturd . I think it must be KY ? You know the stuff you yourself personally take when you go cottaging .
      
      Correct ?
      
      [DPF:Unacceptable. That is Strike 5 and a month’s holiday]
      
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      June 13, 2017 5:41pm
Stars And Stripes

Charity assistance to get rid of household rubbish
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11875170
“Families that allow rubbish to pile up because they could not afford to have it taken away will get $4800 of assistance from Tauranga ratepayers.
Todd Rowling of Good Neighbour says one common request we get is to help people get rid of rubbish (both household and garden) that has accumulated as they often can’t afford rubbish bags”.

So not dumping your rubbish is now a “poverty” problem as well.
I personally thought that it would be more likely caused by filthy savages who were just too lazy to clean up after themselves but seems I am mistaken.
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June 13, 2017 4:58pm
- Longknives
  
  How much do Rubbish Bags cost???
  
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  June 13, 2017 6:52pm
  - Longknives
    
    More than Smokes? A bag of Weed??
    
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    June 13, 2017 6:53pm
virtualmark

So Trump won’t go to Britain until the British public supports him coming.

Trump is a snowflake!

Sad!
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June 13, 2017 5:38pm
- stephieboy
  
  vm , I think Donald at last knows when he’s not wanted
  
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  June 13, 2017 5:44pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    So what’s it going to take for you to come to the same conclusion?.
    
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    June 13, 2017 5:50pm
- cha
  
  Sad!
  
  Sad!
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCJwfifU0AAYB0m.jpg
  
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  June 13, 2017 6:24pm
- virtualmark
  
  My prediction is Trump will only go to Britain once all the British public commit to all line up and tell the Don what a blessing and an honour and a privilege it is to serve him.
  
  Kind of like a North Korean cabinet meeting. Or is that an American cabinet meeting?
  
  All hail Kim Jong Trump!
  
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  June 13, 2017 6:58pm
  - Fletch
    
    Under Obama, it was the press who were doing the sycophantic praising.
    
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    June 13, 2017 7:07pm
- Gabby
  
  He’s got no time what with all the testifarn he’s 100% up for.
  
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  June 13, 2017 7:02pm
mikenmild

I was happy to hear the other day that the Highlanders were not planning to confront the Lions with a haka. Such aggressively warlike ritual obviously have no place in modern sport.

But now I hear that they are planning to present some kind of Scottish sword. Outrageous!
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June 13, 2017 6:49pm
- Kimbo
  
  Am off to the rugby club in a few minutes to watch it a soon as Mrs Kimbo quits faffing. Would love to see the Highlanders do it. A reminder of the proud record of wins by the representative teams from south of the Waitaki River against combined British teams:
  
  Otago
  1908 (against the Anglo-Welsh)
  1950
  1959
  1966
  1993
  
  Southland
  1950
  1966
  
  Plus North Otago’s two test All Blacks Ian “Spooky” Smith (1st, 2nd and 3rd tests of 1966), and Phil Gard (4th test 1971) never lost a game in the black jersey to the Lions! Nor did Richie McCaw (all 3 tests in 2005), originally of the Kurow club 😉
  
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  June 13, 2017 7:01pm
  - Longknives
    
    Kimbo- I think Phil Gard and ‘Spooky’ Smith were 1st Five and Centre for the ‘Old Golds’ back in their day?
    *I’m from down that way- Had a relative who played in that North Otago team…
    
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    June 13, 2017 7:10pm
  - sam green
    
    Mrs Kimbo may very well smite you for being slightly rude about her.
    
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    June 13, 2017 8:38pm
Manolo

How many lardos in South Auckland?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/3781301/two-billion-people-across-the-world-are-obese-with-one-in-four-battling-fat-related-diseases-experts-warn/
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June 13, 2017 7:06pm
mikenmild

TAB still offering $2.60 for a Highlanders win. Tasty. And a cool $16 for the Lions to lose the rest of their games.
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June 13, 2017 7:10pm
- stigie
  
  A draw at $21 is inviting Milky..?
  
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  June 13, 2017 7:31pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I recommend you invest heavily on that option, stigie. Do let us know how you get one.
    
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    June 13, 2017 7:39pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      “Do let us know how you get one” – yes tell us everything Stigie! 🙂
      
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      June 13, 2017 7:44pm
    - stigie
      
      Draw at halftime Milky, im halfway there !~
      
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      June 13, 2017 8:25pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Just about a sure thing. Odds on a draw have collapsed to a mere $15.
        
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        June 13, 2017 8:35pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stigie:
    
    If Mikenmild gets the jackpot, then he’ll immediately retire from the public service, hang up his worn cardigan, and set about chalking up 75.000 Kiwiblog comments in retirement.
    
    Think carefully before you tempt him old chap!
    
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    June 13, 2017 7:39pm
    - stigie
      
      Will Kiwiblog survive with another 45000 comments from Milky Nostra..?
      
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      June 13, 2017 8:14pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I think I’ve propped the racket up long enough, stigie.
        Nearly time to say goodbye.
        
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        June 13, 2017 8:36pm
      - sooty
        
        By MM. Dont let the door hit you in the arse!
        (could not post after mm as only the report button was up)
        
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        June 13, 2017 9:34pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky will take a short break then be back under a new pseudonym.
        
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        June 13, 2017 9:53pm
Harriet

The scam in Aussie goes like this.

The man goes to a restaurant and eats and drinks whatever he wants. He then tells the staff he has forgotten his wallet, gives his (real) personal details and promises to come back the next day to settle up. As a kicker, he even lets them take a photo of him. The balls on this guy.
The next day, the man doesn’t come back. Or the day after that. He is probably at a different restaurant, duping those poor schmucks out of more free stuff. How?

It isn’t a crime because it falls under contractual law.
ABC News reports that Chloe Debono, the head of operations at The Local Shack, one of the man’s victims contacted the police but was told that the man had committed no crime.
“It’s not theft because we have taken his details as surety and we have arranged for him to come the following day to pay for his meal and he has not turned up,” Debono said.
“It falls under contractual law; it is no longer criminal because it’s a contractual agreement where we have taken an assurance.”
After The Local Shack posted a warning and picture of the man on its Facebook page, other businesses soon chimed in to say they had been scammed.
According to the post, the man is currently on parole in Perth for robbery, theft and other crimes.
Although businesses could take the man to court and try to recover the money, legal expenses will almost definitely outweigh whatever he spent in their restaurants.

I didn’t know that, I suppose it’s the same in NZ.

I bet the prick learnt that in jail.
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June 13, 2017 7:40pm
- fernglas
  
  If he does it repeatedly then it is quite clear that he had no intention of paying, and was therefore acting dishonestly, so it’s theft.
  
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  June 13, 2017 10:01pm
Ross12

This looks to be a great idea

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11870479
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June 13, 2017 8:53pm
cha

Them Crusaders will be filthy.
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June 13, 2017 9:22pm
- mikenmild
  
  Stigie wasn’t too far off scoring, if he did indeed bet on the draw.
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:24pm
Aliog

WOOOHOOO Highlanders!!! And up yours, bigbruv and Longknives!!
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June 13, 2017 9:37pm
- Longknives
  
  Eh?
  What has that got to do with me?
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:42pm
Aliog

PS How much must Stephen Jones hate this. The Lions played great running rugby, they cheated at the breakdown, they cheated at scrums, they were off-side all night…and they still couldn’t win! Rarely enjoyed a game as much…and I’d have said the same if the Lions won, because I can’t stand the Highlanders either!!
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June 13, 2017 9:40pm
- cha
  
  My resident Port Chalmers native is going to be unbearable for weeks….
  
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  June 13, 2017 9:44pm
Jack5

What Radio Labour and its mild media commentator think should happen to news coverage of jihadi terrorist attacks to “stop the tendency to vilify Islam”.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=201847324
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