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cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/93572591/pakistan-sentences-man-to-death-for-blasphemy-on-facebook

But Christians did that too… Back in the 1400’s.
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June 12, 2017 9:06am
- mandk
  
  Yes, I read about Ye Olde Fayceboke trials.
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:10am
- Lance
  
  What… for someone blaspheming on Facebook in 1400 AD?
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:11am
- MCos
  
  Some poor bugger was sentenced to seventy years in prison within the last fortnight in Thailand for Facebook posts critical of the royalty, reduced to thirty five years because of a guilty plea.
  Secret trial, no evidence put forward, no appeal.
  About hundred such trials have occurred since the coup three years, but this is the harshist penalty.
  Don’t believe me? Search Bangkok Post.
  If you go to Thailand, be careful. Foreigners get locked up occasionally & nobody will speak up.
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:55am
  - kowtow
    
    Misdirection.
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:48am
  - srylands
    
    This is not a new thing.
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:59am
    - MCos
      
      Doesn’t make it any more palatable.
      
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      June 12, 2017 2:11pm
- G152
  
  The Net was really big back then. Drums and pigeons were all the go
  
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  June 12, 2017 10:17am
  - Fletch
    
    I remember communicating with two cans and a string, back in the day…
    
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    June 12, 2017 11:22am
Longknives

*From the Sports Desk –
(Yes there is life outside of Lion’s Tour and Americas Cup- Not that you’d think so looking at NZ Media..)

Nadal is a legend! Fifteenth Grand Slam victory..
Could he challenge Federer’s record yet?
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June 12, 2017 9:13am
- dime
  
  not a huge tennis guy.. but even if he wins more slams than fed, i give fed the nod as best ever
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:19am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    No doubt in my mind that Nadal is the best clay court player of all time. But I still rate Federer as the better all-round player, and the best I have ever seen. His win at Melbourne this year was absolutely magnificent.
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:00am
    - pdm
      
      Federer has a much better personality too.
      
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      June 12, 2017 10:20am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I was really please to see Kiwi Micheal Venus win the doubles in the French open.
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:07am
- Happychappy
  
  Longknives : Isn’t it just great to see two legions of Tennis come back from their struggles of injury and age to win a Grand Slam Tennis Title each this season.
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:46am
  - Happychappy
    
    IT should read Legend.
    
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    June 12, 2017 9:57am
William of Ockham

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/18/fossil-fuel-companies-getting-10m-a-minute-in-subsidies-says-imf

Fossil fuel companies are benefiting from global subsidies of $5.3tn (£3.4tn) a year, equivalent to $10m a minute every day, according to a startling new estimate by the International Monetary Fund. http://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WP/Issues/2016/12/31/How-Large-Are-Global-Energy-Subsidies-42940

The IMF calls the revelation “shocking” and says the figure is an “extremely robust” estimate of the true cost of fossil fuels. The $5.3tn subsidy estimated for 2015 is greater than the total health spending of all the world’s governments.

The vast sum is largely due to polluters not paying the costs imposed on governments by the burning of coal, oil and gas. These include the harm caused to local populations by air pollution as well as to people across the globe affected by the floods, droughts and storms being driven by climate change.

[Lord] Nicholas Stern, an eminent climate economist at the London School of Economics, said: “This very important analysis shatters the myth that fossil fuels are cheap by showing just how huge their real costs are. There is no justification for these enormous subsidies for fossil fuels, which distort markets and damages economies, particularly in poorer countries.”
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June 12, 2017 9:13am
- stephieboy
  
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  Keep it up William of Ockham. It is only 40 or so seriously deluded alt righters .Likely ratttled and piqued by the UK election results .
  
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  June 12, 2017 10:33am
William of Ockham

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https://www.ecowatch.com/koch-brothers-paris-agreement-2430226599.html?utm_source=EcoWatch+List&utm_campaign=604f727c0b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_49c7d43dc9-604f727c0b-86111021
Paris Exit Was ‘Victory Paid and Carried Out’ by Republican Party for the Koch Brothers

“Visible donations to Republicans from those industries exceeded donations to Democrats in the 2016 election cycle by a ratio of 15-to-1, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. And that does not include so-called dark money passed from oil interests such as Koch industries to general slush funds to re-elect Republicans such as the Senate leadership fund.

“At least $90m in untraceable money has been funneled to Republican candidates from oil, gas and coal interests in the past three election cycles, according to Federal Election Commission disclosures analyzed by the Center for Responsive Politics.”

Jeffrey Sachs, professor of economics and director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University, shared recently his views on Trump’s climate walkout. “This is the victory paid and carried out for 20 years by two people, David and Charles Koch,” Sachs said. “They have bought and purchased the top of the Republican party. Trump is a tool in this.”
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June 12, 2017 9:14am
oldpark

Then there is the ruling party in UK CONS with their confidence and supply party DUP giving them a six seat majority over the also rans Liebour Party. NZs National Party has never had a six seat majority in the last three elections. To hear the doomsayers in UK bleating that it is all over for Cons Party ,makes them sound like born MSM losers.Suppose with that lot, what else is new.
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June 12, 2017 9:16am
- VicParking
  
  The problem is that they have 318 Mp’s to keep in line and not 58.
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:51am
  - RalphT
    
    I could be wrong but I think it is easier to keep 318 MPs in line when you have to rely on a coalition partner than it is when you are governing alone with a 60-100 majority. Now anyone knows that if they cause too much trouble it could bring down THEIR government and possibly end their turn at the trough.
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:40am
Peter

When the so-called “progressive” left goes…well, ever more bat shit insane than usual.

https://heatst.com/culture-wars/evergreen-professor-berated-by-student-mob-for-opposing-racist-event-told-hes-not-safe-on-campus/
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June 12, 2017 9:22am
- Peter
  
  You just could make this stuff up.
  
  “This coming fall, for example, you can take a number of classes that count as biology, but actually aren’t biology at all. They include, as the Daily Caller found, Reproduction: Gender, Race and Power, but also Dancing Molecules, Dancing Bodies, where you’ll use the art of dance to communicate with your body and understand the chemical processes within.”
  
  https://heatst.com/culture-wars/evergreen-state-college-was-nuts-even-before-it-became-lord-of-the-flies/
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:39am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That is one switched-on college…
    Here’s a great paper being offered this year and next:
    
    http://evergreen.edu/catalog/offering/aotearoa-new-zealand-native-decolonization-pacific-rim-15976
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:04am
  - stephieboy
    
    Peter , oh well take some consolation with the fact the DUP party refuse to participate in coalition talks with Theresa May on the Sabbath .
    
    Also they are for soft Brexit appreciating the considerable economic advantages of having an open border with their southern neighbours .
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:39am
    - Peter
      
      What has that got to do with this progressive “college”, Stephie?
      
      Comprehension clearly an issue for you. I hope you didn’t graduate from that school….
      
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      June 12, 2017 10:45am
      - kowtow
        
        It (stephietroll) really is a dumb fuck , he’s blathering all over the place about the DUP. But look it says the “DUP party.”
        
        Duh , the Democratic Unionist Party party ?
        
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        June 12, 2017 10:57am
Happychappy

Labour hoping to change the voters minds with their Immigration Policy. They have had to swallow one dead rat to justify their kiwi build program by admitting that they need tradesmen to get the scheme up and running so the figure that they will allow now is 30,000 per year down from the 70,000 that is allowed now. They have also said they will change the time you have to live in NZ from two years to three years before be allowed to access a welfare benefit. So Andrew Little and Labour have been gasping for air in the last couple of weeks with the UK Elections so it will be interesting to see if this helps to elevate his Party in the Polls leading into the September 23rd Election.
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June 12, 2017 9:27am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Angry and his band of losers know very well that they don’t have to do a bloody thing to sort out immigration. All they have to do is get elected, then the 70,000 net immigrants per year will immediately go into reverse.
  Problem solved.
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:32am
  - Liberty
    
    Little is only fishing in Winston’s septic pond.
    By catching some of Winston’s redneck quota.
    Will not increase the overall vote of the coalition of losers.
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:18am
- Paulus
  
  Are you saying that it’s National’s to lose – I agree.
  
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  June 12, 2017 10:00am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    No, I don’t think they’ll be that stupid.
    Anyway, I think I’d rather have 70,000 immigrants than the clusterfuck coalition of the left.
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:04am
Rodney Randall

Is Sultan Rape While on Parole, still in NZ?

I see Woodhouse’s dept are trying to deport blind Sth African girl.

Father is a farm manager i.e. contributing to society and not raping NZ womem while on bail.

“But we can’t deport poor wee Sultan. He may be killed if we send him back to Afghanistan”
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June 12, 2017 9:27am
- Colville
  
  All good with me to send the blind girl and her family back. Dad is just a farm worker and obviously here just to suck up our free medical care.
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:48am
  - VicParking
    
    Not quite that but he was less than honest with imigration.
    
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    June 12, 2017 9:53am
- Inandout
  
  Vote the bastard out at the next election..oh wait..he is a List MP.
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:50am
- 4077th
  
  That raises some interesting questions. I wouldn’t mind betting the downstream cost of his offending would probably be higher than the cost of the young South African girls needs. Add the cost of his jail time, monitoring and supervision plus the cost of the psychological effects on his victims and future victims and costs to Immigration NZ would be significantly higher.
  
  Now that immigration has become an election issue this story will get no traction whatsoever.
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:58am
  - cmm
    
    It costs about $100k/year to keep someone in prison – not to mention the social costs of the offending.
    
    The South African girl would cost far less than that to support.
    
    But this is not a choice between the two. We don’t have to accept either in NZ.
    
    The South African girl will not get the support she needs in South Africa. The way things are heading there she’d be a candidate for being treated like a political refugee.
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:16am
    - stephieboy
      
      cmm ,you or anyone else here bothered to write to the Immigration Minister poinitng out these obvious anomalies or is it merely confined to KB ?
      
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      June 12, 2017 10:29am
    - 4077th
      
      There is a clear difference, we do have to support Akbari because we and INZ are stuck with the potato they decided to microwave. We have no choice in that regard…until he offends again..(I didn’t say if). Provided her parents are taxpayers then I have no issue with the young girl staying and having access to the health care system. Australians can come here, sit on the benefit and enjoy free medical care while we are not afforded the same so the rules are an ass as is the system.
      
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      June 12, 2017 12:48pm
    - Paulus
      
      It appears that her father lied to the immigration Authorities.
      
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      June 12, 2017 2:41pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Recently begun, if you go for any health checks such as blood tests you are now being asked whether you are a NZer, or your immigration status.
    I was told by a health worker some non-NZ’ers have shown their displeasure at being charged for health care. Tough I say, who do they think pays for their care?
    
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    June 12, 2017 12:42pm
    - 4077th
      
      Not that recent WG. My first daughter was born 20 years ago. Her mother (my wife) was asked for her passport even though she had 2 other children at that hospital many, many years earlier. A quick records check would have revealed that but because she is Asian the question was automatic and embarrassing….mostly for her as she is a proud kiwi of over 35 years.
      
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      June 12, 2017 12:57pm
      - Paulus
        
        Updated central systems, finally.
        
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        June 12, 2017 2:45pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        I am assuming asking the nationality of those giving birth will have been routine for some time. Taking of blood is a fairly cheap affair in comparison to other tests, but I was pleased health are covering all bases. I have also recently been asked my nationality when attending a local hospitial appointment.
        
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        June 12, 2017 5:40pm
    - Paulus
      
      Not entirely new, both my wife and I having been here for nearly 50 years had to prove a few years ago, by way of NZ Passports, in this instance, when we went to hospital to prove that we did not have to pay for treatment.
      
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      June 12, 2017 2:44pm
Peter

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/92965176/landlord-vetting-system-abolition-of-letting-fees-proposed-to-ease-rental-woes

“Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei said letting fees should be consigned to history.Landlords hired agents to provide services to property owners, and “the tenant should not be required to pay for that service”, she said.”

Erm, yes they do, Metiria. The agency services are a cost and are paid by the tenant in the form of rent, rent being a reflection of all costs + profit margin (although in NZ the profit is typically in the capital gain) Whether it is charged upfront or spread out weekly, it is still a cost.
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June 12, 2017 9:27am
- Swifty
  
  They just don’t get it.
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:50am
  - VicParking
    
    Because its money. If you paid your rent in brussel sprouts and pumpkins they would be right on the ball.
    
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    June 12, 2017 9:54am
- KevOB
  
  A succinct demo of why Greens should never get near Parliament.
  
  Labour also by having an agreement with the Greens also shows their lack of judgment of ability. How could Labour ever govern with such a pitiful crew.
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:58am
- Paulus
  
  My daughter’s Rental Manager takes 8% of the rental in fees whilst she and her husband are on overseas posting -Dipl business.
  
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  June 12, 2017 10:03am
- MCos
  
  The rental is determined by the market, not by what the landlord wants. If there’s twenty people after one house the rent goes up. Six months later if there’s a glut of rental properties the tenants may force a rent reduction. If the landlord incurs an additional expense, e.g. major drain repairs, he can’t just randomly increase the rent.
  
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  June 12, 2017 10:18am
  - Peter
    
    MCos, the landlord is in the business of medium term rental provision. Like the Motel business, only longer.
    
    If the market is saturated and rents fall below (total) return, then the landlord exits the market as their business is losing money. If he stays in, he’s more of a charity worker than landlord.
    
    When enough landlords do this, as they will be forced to do by opportunity cost, the rental market eventually contracts and prices rise, so long as tenant demand stays constant or rises.
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:34am
    - KevOB
      
      For many landlords the net cash flow from renting is negative. Extra costs are not taken on lightly.
      
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      June 12, 2017 11:17am
Biscuit

Shocking sporting news, Kiwibloggers:

The Who Will Be First To Post On General Debate Today Stakes
Official Results

First: cmm 9.06
Second: mandk 9.10
Third: Lance 9.11
Fourth: Longknives 9.13
Fifth: dime 9.19

Unplaced favourite: William of Ockham (Sixth)
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June 12, 2017 9:29am
- VicParking
  
  Willy only has his posts up for 10 minutes then they disappear so he does not count
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:56am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Who holds the record for the shortest post life (before being made to “disappear”)?
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:02am
- Longknives
  
  I’m happy running home for fourth- I’ll be better for the run and looking forward to the firmer Tracks in Spring…
  
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  June 12, 2017 10:10am
  - Biscuit
    
    I dunno, Longknives, I saw your trainer mention something about you seeming to be distracted by a filly or two and muttering that a quick gelding might be in order!
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:35am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    You sound like a horse trainer.
    To be a successful horse trainer you must learn how to talk underwater with a mouthful of marbles.
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:36am
- pdm
  
  Haven’t you got anything better to do?
  
  Almost gave you a downtick for that tripe – get on with the Monday diatribe – I got a -25 for picking the round!!! lol.
  
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  June 12, 2017 10:27am
  - Biscuit
    
    Patience, Grasshopper, patience!
    
    A (shortened) diatribe will hit your In Box shortly!
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:37am
Manolo

The liberal hacks ask themselves.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/is-media-coverage-of-trump-too-negative-youre-asking-the-wrong-question/2017/06/11/b0bc93aa-4d0f-11e7-a186-60c031eab644_story.html?utm_term=.276332553f97
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June 12, 2017 9:36am
Hugh Pavletich

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NEW ZEALAND HOUSING: MAJORITY DISSATISFIED – LATEST TVNZ COLMAR BRUNTON POLL …

Mental health and housing set to be two of the biggest touch points as politicians duel it out ahead of September’s election | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/mental-health-and-housing-set-two-biggest-touch-points-politicians-duel-ahead-septembers-election

… KIWIS HATE HOUSING INFLATION … MID-MARCH REPORT …

The NZ homeowners who hate high house prices are revealed in Labour polling | Stuff.co.nz

http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/90244287/The-NZ-homeowners-who-hate-high-house-prices-are-revealed-in-Labour-polling

… extract …

… One grandfather who feels that way is Hugh Pavletich, who had been campaigning for sweeping reform of housing policy for more than a decade as he’s watched house prices spiral up and up.

“People are now actually hostile to housing inflation,” he says. “It was all fun in the beginning, and for the first few years, until the kids came knocking on the door wanting $100,000 or $200,000 for the deposit on a home.”

Pavletich calls housing wealth “illusory” except for a small proportion of society including property speculators and investors, real estate agents, banks, and retirees able to sell up in Auckland and relocate to the provinces.

For everyone else, he says: “I refer to it as a poverty creation programme.”

The young are either trapped into lifelong renting, or forced to take on gigantic mortgages, and simple things like moving house become costly and difficult in a “high multiple” housing market, Pavletich says. … read more via hyperlink above …

…A DECADE OF DECEPTION – JOHN KEY …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE

… THE CURRENT BLUNDERING INCOMPETENT – NICK SMITH …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmbhzs3JcS4&feature=youtu.be
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June 12, 2017 9:41am
- Happychappy
  
  Hugh it is a sad state of affairs when you have to keep posting data that you yourself wrote a couple of years ago.
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:54am
- VicParking
  
  You had me till your said”Labour party polling”.
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:59am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    Happychappy … eyewash !
    
    It is the latest TVNZ Colmar Brunton poll … simply with associated material for some texture.
    
    I would be most interested in learning yours and others views on the deception of John Key and the gross incompetence of Nick Smith.
    
    There is considerable texture on these matters at my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … particularly within the GONE GONE GOING section.
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:06am
    - All_on_Red
      
      We would be interested in learning what reforms you propose instead of just constantly spamming us and barking ‘National bad’…
      
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      June 12, 2017 10:17am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        All On Red … I have been at this for near on 13 years … and am interested in performers … not pretenders …
        
        Laying in to Labour late 2008 … again …
        
        “Kiwis Pay Price For ‘Cullen Housing Bubble’” | Scoop News
        
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0810/S00090/kiwis-pay-price-for-cullen-housing-bubble.htm
        
        … Praising National in early 2009 … when I then believed John Key …
        
        NZ Government Housing Commitment Applauded | Scoop News
        
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0901/S00331/nz-government-housing-commitment-applauded.htm
        
        New Zealands Pragmatic Political Approach Welcome | Scoop News
        
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0903/S00467/new-zealands-pragmatic-political-approach-welcome.htm
        
        … with heaps more stuff at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
        
        When are you going to hold the pretenders / non-performers to account too ?
        
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        June 12, 2017 10:34am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        LEARNING LESSONS FROM THE IRISH HOUSING BUBBLE CRASH OF 2007 …
        
        Does anyone know what the capital base of the Irish Banks was in 2007. ?
        
        All their Banks went to the wall of course … requiring a 70 billion euro bailout ( about $NZ 109 billion ).
        
        The average unweighted median multiple of the Irish metros in 2007 was 4.7.
        
        It then collapsed t0 2.8.
        
        Austraia is currently at 5.5 … NZ 5.9.
        
        Some texture …
        
        Ireland at risk of creating new property bubble, warns OECD … The Irish Independent
        
        http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/ireland-at-risk-of-creating-new-property-bubble-warns-oecd-35801568.html
        
        … extract …
        
        … A spokesperson for incoming Taoiseach Leo Varadkar last night described the Fiscal Advisory Council and OECD reports as “valuable”.
        
        “It’s important to note the Department of Finance view that price rises in the property market are due principally to high demand and limited supply, rather than the availability of credit. As house building and supply ramps up, price increases should moderate,” he said. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        This country still needs to get its houses in order ten years after the financial crisis began … Lucinda Creighton … The Irish Sun
        
        https://www.thesun.ie/news/1006506/this-country-still-needs-to-get-its-houses-in-order-ten-years-after-the-financial-crisis-began/
        
        Lucinda Creighton – Wikipedia
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucinda_Creighton
        
        … note the very bad experience the Irish had with Merrill Lynch in 2007. Kiwis were not the only ones to have had an ‘unfortunate encounter’ with those associated with Merrill Lynch …
        
        Prof Bill Black & others discuss the Irish financial system performancve … Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw
        
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        June 12, 2017 11:20am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Will the current Government deservedly get a thrashing 23 September for its deceit and gross incompetence on housing issues ?
        
        Differences between National and Labour on housing starting to show through as Adams readies ‘rest-of-NZ’ announcement and Labour works on explaining KiwiBuild & demand-side plans | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/88222/differences-between-national-and-labour-housing-starting-show-through-adams-readies
        
        Mayoral Taskforce on Auckland Housing Supply identifies increasing bank financing constraints on developers and buyers as ‘an important emerging issue’ | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88235/mayoral-taskforce-auckland-housing-supply-identifies-increasing-bank-financing
        
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        June 12, 2017 6:50pm
    - KevOB
      
      I will have a look at your site. Meanwhile I’m in standby for, in my opinion, the GFC of several lifetimes. I hope I’m wrong in my expectations but I fear the central banksters have got too greedy. Planning may resume later.
      
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      June 12, 2017 11:23am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        KevOB … in case you missed these …
        
        The Business does the coming property correction – MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/05/business-coming-property-correction/
        
        … and former Australian Liberal Party Leader (and economist) John Hewson …
        
        The risk is greater than the GFC if we can’t fix the housing crisis : John Hewson … The Melbourne Age
        
        http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-risk-is-greater-than-the-gfc-if-we-cant-fix-the-housing-crisis-20170309-guu4sf.html
        
        It was the high multiple lending (more than high loan to value lending) that did in the Irish Banks … as subsequent research by the Central Bank of Ireland found. They then imposed a general lending cap of 3.5 times annual household incomes.
        
        The Bank of England had capped earlier at 4.6 times.
        
        As the Demographia Surveys show year after year (13 to date) normal housing markets should not exceed 3,0 times annual household incomes … with sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times.
        
        Too difficult for Nick Smith to figure out though.
        
        I still cant figure out how the Irish LOST 70 billion euro (bailout) PLUS the capital base of their Banks out of the 07 event.
        
        I understand too the distressed mortgages have not been effectively dealt with due to the draconian Irish debtor laws.
        
        In other words, they dont have enough jail space to accommodate them all.
        
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        June 12, 2017 12:22pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    He had me until he said “NEW ZEALAND HOUSING”. Hugh is the epitome of a one-trick pony.
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:35am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Keeping Stock …The top post on this thread of mine is simply an extract from a General Email today, which as usual goes out around the planet to the large numbers on my email list.
      
      We produce annually the Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey ( http://www.demographia.com ) which covers all the Anglosphere and a number of other countries.
      
      Dr Oliver Hartwich, Executive Director of The New Zealand Initiative contributed he Introduction to this years Survey. You may like to read what he has to say.
      
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      June 12, 2017 10:48am
Manolo

As iff further proof wass needed that senility has settled in:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/337340-mccain-says-american-leadership-was-better-under-obama-report

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said American leadership was stronger under President Trump’s predecessor, President Barack Obama, according to a Guardian report published Sunday.

Asked if the country stood on sturdier ground under Obama’s leadership, McCain said “yes,” according to the report.
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June 12, 2017 9:55am
- Gabby
  
  You reckon the Chump’s senile? Fair enough.
  
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  June 12, 2017 5:56pm
Kimbo

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:

OK, it’s a slow day here on Kiwiblog, and as David Garrett in particular has been eagerly clamouring for this update, and having received the paperwork back from my IP lawyer, I’m now in a position to announce the final copyrighted and trademarked version of Kimbo’s law. The NZ trademark office insisted on a few changes that should remove confusion. So the new and final formulation of Kimbo’s law is as follows:

“in blogworld the validity of an argument is in inverse proportion to the use of emphatic adverbs”

So what does it mean? Despite some confusion here on Kiwiblog, including some who struggle to identify and distinguish adverbs from adjectives, nouns and other parts of speech (I recommend Maggy Wassilief’s grammatical remedial services to address the problem),

…Kimbo’s law never declared open season on adverbs. Where nuance and precision are required, they remain a good friend of Kiiwbloggers. Nonetheless, it is the emphatic adverbs such as

“absolutely”

“definitely”

“undoubtedly”

“obviously”

and “clearly”

…that, especially when used in abundance, are rhetorical shills. If your idea and/or argument are a turd, it cannot be polished. Nonetheless there are some who still try and roll it in adverb glitter in an attempt to convince the feeble-minded.

And as always, the test remains – if you can remove the emphatic adverb, but lose no meaning, then it is likely a shill. For example, as my good friend holysheet has remarked here on these pages on many occasions,

“Kimbo’s law is ~~absolutely~~ brilliant!”.

Thanks, hs, but as you can see, you didn’t need the emphatic adverb. Also, as explained before, hyperbolic and/or sarcastic use of emphatic adverbs are definitely, clearly and absolutely not breaches of Kimbo’s law.

Now, as you were, and I’ll provide another update as and when I hear back about my IP applications for “Postcards from Stars and Stripes”, and “holysheet-school-of-wilful-and-capricious-spelling”.
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June 12, 2017 9:58am
- mandk
  
  You are almost entirely correct but, disappointingly, you used “especially” unnecessarily.
  
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  June 12, 2017 10:43am
  - Kimbo
    
    Aha. A heckle from the cheap seats. No. You refer to my statement
    
    Nonetheless, it is the emphatic adverbs …that, especially when used in abundance, are rhetorical shills.
    
    In context, “especially” gave nuance and precision, for, by implication without it, all uses of emphatic adverbs would be excessive, thus declaring them in effect ~~persona~~ adverba non grata. But as words such as “absolutely” and “obviously” exist…then they can be used…occasionally for emphasis. Hence Kimbo’s law calls them out when they are used “in abundance”.
    
    Nonetheless, there is no grammatical justification for my statement:
    
    David Garrett in particular has been eagerly clamouring for this update
    
    …as, by definition, all clamouring is eager. However, as Kimbo’s law is concerned in the first instance with exposing deceitful rhetoric, not fussing over grammatical niceties, there is no direct contradiction, inconsistency or diminution of Kimbo’s law.
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:56am
    - Gabby
      
      Nonetheless, now, as always, it’s not a capital crimbo.
      
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      June 12, 2017 11:04am
- Manolo
  
  Dear Kimbo, you are disarmingly charming. Sincerely yours…
  
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  June 12, 2017 10:54am
  - Kimbo
    
    Thanks, Manolo. However, sadly, regrettably and tragically, as my fame has grown as a result of Kimbo’s law, I already have enough fanbois such as David Garrett and holysheet, so I am unable to add any more. However, as literary agent for Stars and Stripes, I ~~suggest~~ am confident you will find a meeting of the minds with him.
    
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    June 12, 2017 11:14am
    - Manolo
      
      I was hoping for a meeting the minds with stephieboy, multi-culturalist of the highest order, who seems to profess a deep love for dark-skinned people like this humble correspondent.
      
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      June 12, 2017 11:25am
- kowtow
  
  Indubitably.
  
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  June 12, 2017 11:10am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yes. to paraphrase Ernest Hemingway, just because Harvard professors use the fancy, $5,000 adverbs, doesn’t preclude them from shilling, perhaps to impress the SJW’s on campus, get a grant from the liberal Rockefeller Foundation for their research into a tautological post-modern auto-ethnography of the phallus, or get into the pants of a hot young impressionable undergraduate.
    
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    June 12, 2017 11:20am
    - SGA
      
      So it’s not all bad 🙂
      
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      June 12, 2017 11:54am
    - kowtow
      
      Incontrovertibly.
      
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      June 12, 2017 11:59am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Awww C’mons Law may have to come into effect on the back of Kimbos law, banning the use of grandiose words and phrases when the simple shall suffice.
  
  So, “I believe this item is no longer operational” simply becomes, “fucking fuckers fuckin fucked”
  
  Thoughts?
  
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  June 12, 2017 12:28pm
  - cha
    
    Thoughts?
    
    Fuck.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdfwFDZGnUk
    
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    June 12, 2017 12:31pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Fuckin A
      
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      June 12, 2017 12:35pm
  - holysheet
    
    Nah Holysheets law is especially simpler for simpletons to understand.
    #1 To get those who think they are better than the rest of us, to fuck off and leave us to make the odd mistake in peace.
    #2 To get dumbarse commenters on KB to observe the wishes of the majority and fuck off.
    
    Like all stupid laws, you can expect them to be broken with impunity. Take note kimbo.
    By the way, since you have already being using your “laws’ in the public arena, you cannot get them trademarked, so you are talking unadulterated shit when you mentioned your IP lawyer. Did you find him in the Mt Roskill community centre. Not Stoooopidboy by any chance is it? You are good companions here on KB along with the other village idiot, little willy.
    
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    June 12, 2017 5:35pm
Inandout

Anyone hazard a guess where these idiots hail from?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11874372

Duh, it’s cold outside, so bring the barbie into the lounge.
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June 12, 2017 10:08am
- cha
  
  Anyone hazard a guess where these idiots hail from?
  
  South Africa?.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/618730
  
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  June 12, 2017 10:48am
  - Inandout
    
    That is a one off for sure. South African immigrants are generally not known for idiocy.
    
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    June 12, 2017 11:25am
    - Kimbo
      
      That is a one off for sure
      
      Nope. Some Saffers were killed a few years ago in New Zealand while camping via carbon monoxide poisoning from their charcoal fired burner in their hut.
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/617056/Poisoning-tragedy-survivor-remains-seriously-ill
      
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      June 12, 2017 11:29am
      - RF
        
        I know of a family of skinnies that set fire to their rental house kitchen by lighting a wood fire in their electric oven.
        
        They also neglected to flush the toilet and flooded the house by washing clothing in the shower that was left running.
        
        This was in spite of the church group who looked after them giving detailed instructions.
        
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        June 12, 2017 12:04pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @RF
        
        what are skinnies?
        
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        June 12, 2017 2:17pm
      - kowtow
        
        Mags
        
        Somalis.
        
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        June 12, 2017 3:41pm
    - cha
      
      That is a one off for sure.
      
      Five deaths and a near miss in Otago/Southland alone ain’t a one off for sure.
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/southland/coroner-warns-gas-burner-dangers
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7884914/Familys-call-sparks-demand-for-sensors
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/82183884/Canterbury-family-survive-carbon-monoxide-poisoning
      
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      June 12, 2017 12:18pm
noskire

Google Images is useless. I just used it to search for a photo of farm equipment and it showed me twenty thousand pictures of horse dicks.
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June 12, 2017 10:16am
- Gabby
  
  When you googled horse dicks, what farm equipment were you expecting to see?
  
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  June 12, 2017 11:03am
  - KevOB
    
    Tillers and sowers?
    
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    June 12, 2017 11:26am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Horse Penis is not farm equipment though,
  
  Using Awww C-mons law
  The fuck? Looking at those fuckers fuckers for fucks sake
  
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  June 12, 2017 12:32pm
- MCos
  
  Why didn’t you stop gawking at the pictures after the first dozen or so?
  
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  June 12, 2017 1:55pm
  - noskire
    
    Because I know that you haven’t had any luck on Grinder, so I thought I would help out trying to find you a partner.
    
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    June 12, 2017 2:15pm
Stars And Stripes

Community centre opens free shower facilities for the homeless
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11870344
“Homeless people in Tauranga can now take daily showers at Arataki Community Centre.
People wishing to use the shower will have to leave their car keys or something similar at the centre’s reception in exchange for the key to use the facilities”.

So if you don’t have a car you can leave items such as plastic sheets, bags of glue or cardboard as a deposit instead.
Also I believe the free showers should be extended to Pak n Save shoppers.
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June 12, 2017 10:32am
- nasska
  
  …..”Also I believe the free showers should be extended to Pak n Save shoppers”….
  
  And rates protesters. 🙂
  
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  June 12, 2017 10:36am
  - sooty
    
    Especially rates protesters, should be firehoses set up to hose the old bat down!
    
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    June 12, 2017 12:41pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Wouldn’t you have to fumigate after she has been there and who would pay the extra costs.
      
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      June 12, 2017 4:26pm
- Paulus
  
  Arataki is a long way in fact from Tauranga CBD where these people congregate.
  It is east of Mt Maunganui towards Papamoa and to get there without transport is a very long walk over the Harbour Bridge.
  As they have no money buses would be unavailable.
  Sounds great though will await the usage figures.
  
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  June 12, 2017 2:51pm
Odakyu-sen

“Community centre opens free shower facilities for the homeless”

Well that won’t work. A homeless person’s business plan requires that “an appearance of victimhood and deprivation be maintained at all times.”
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June 12, 2017 10:38am
- Inandout
  
  How true. I would hesitate donating to a homeless beggar smelling of roses.
  
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  June 12, 2017 11:23am
Fletch

Black Lives Matter stops gay pride parade in D.C because gay cops are racist or something.

http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/06/11/intersectional-af-black-lives-matter-stops-equality-march-in-d-c-because-gay-cops-are-racist-video/

https://twitter.com/DangerCW/status/873654001665015808/video/1
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June 12, 2017 11:30am
- Kimbo
  
  If only they had planned ahead with the “progressive stack”! 😉
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_stack
  
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  June 12, 2017 11:32am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  This is entirely understandable, since the fratricidal hatred that competing left-wing groups have for each other is legendary.
  Just cast your minds back to the 1930s in Europe when the National Socialists were crushing the International Socialists (the Communists) of Germany.
  
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  June 12, 2017 12:07pm
- kowtow
  
  I see at a nationalist march in the UK the opposition included some homos with placards stating “Queers Against Islamophobia”.
  
  Remind me who were throwing them off buildings or flogging them in public squares.
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4593476/Far-right-protestors-tussle-police-silent-rally.html
  
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  June 12, 2017 12:32pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    “Queers against mobile cranes” … nope, never going to see that on a placard.
    
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    June 12, 2017 12:47pm
  - sam green
    
    All of a sudden the far right give a shit about homos – yeah right – only if it suits.
    
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    June 12, 2017 2:00pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      I care very much about a human being thrown from a building or raised by his neck from a mobile crane in the name of Allah, just because of his sexuality. You, from your sneering comment, not so much it seems. Test yourself, do you abhor Islam for killing gays – it’s in the Koran after all? Or does a fuse just pop?
      
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      June 12, 2017 2:10pm
      - sam green
        
        …. and all of a sudden you decide I support nut job extremists. Fuck off – I’m not.
        
        Out campaigning for law reform in 1986 were you? Campaigning to have marital rape considered a crime in 1985? Submitting on gay marriage recently? Supporting suicidal gay teens on youth Line? Yes? Good for you.
        
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        June 12, 2017 5:32pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        No fuckwit, I merely posed a question. Jeez you guys get tichy when challenged. I was too young for law reform issues in 1986. And yes, I’m absolutely behind civil unions, in fact I was celebrating two friends’ union in January. Not at all keen on marital rape nor teen suicide. In fact I’m a regular donor to Big Buddy for the good work their volunteers do with single mothers and their sons, a lot of it in the prevention of the latter. Everyone, I present to you, a miserable leftie fuckwit. By the way, you never answered the question of Muslims executing gays. Telling, huh.
        
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        June 12, 2017 7:52pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        Sam did just pop a fuse, as I suspected he would. Lefties can’t reconcile the horror committed by one of their dearest against another group they claim to champion. This is why they they sit in the cheap seats of humanity.
        
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        June 12, 2017 8:12pm
    - kowtow
      
      Who said the “far right” gives a shit for homos?
      
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      June 12, 2017 2:20pm
      - sam green
        
        Precisely.
        
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        June 12, 2017 3:30pm
      - Gabby
        
        Self-interest says the “far right” gives a shit for homos.
        
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        June 12, 2017 5:52pm
      - double d
        
        Aaaah Sam, you care so much it must hurt.
        
        Only to care as much as a virtue signalling leftie.
        
        What an absolute idiot of the highest order.
        
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        June 12, 2017 10:14pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        double d, Sam doesn’t care about gays being hung by Muslims at all. He just enjoys signalling his virtue to his equally vacuous leftie mates and having a poke at the rest of us. We, who actually do care, do more for the causes he proclaims to be bothered by. Simple hollow leftie to the core.
        
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        June 12, 2017 11:15pm
Manolo

The Kiwi gains strength:
https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/kiwi-holds-near-3-month-high-v-pound-mays-minority-government-b-204020

The New Zealand dollar traded near a 3-month high against the British pound after elections left UK Prime Minister Theresa May without an outright majority and held above 72 US cents ahead of this week’s Federal Reserve meeting.
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June 12, 2017 11:37am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I get paid in yen. Ouch!
  
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  June 12, 2017 12:08pm
dime

wonder if the UK election results scared the shit out of National?

Cause they should!

20 bucks a week FFS
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June 12, 2017 11:50am
- howitis
  
  Note Turnbull’s performance in Australia last July and you can see a trend.
  In both UK and Australia they had generally perceived ‘unelectable’ Labour Party leaders.
  We have the same in NZ.
  Yet the Labour Party went close -very close in AU where Shorten was deemed corrupt and poor material.
  
  This has been a serious warning. As dull as Angry Andy is, he can take a positive view – if that is possible with Angry!
  
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  June 12, 2017 1:28pm
dime

Paula Bennett – im still getting my head around her “tipping should be compulsory” garbage

She is a fucking moron. some key points:

1) writes a letter to the courts and thus her daughters violent as hell bf gets to stay at her house instead of on remand. from memory he was charged with beating someone half to death with a bit of fencing

2) “i dont offend easily but this van had a comment about thick legged women on it so im using a shit ton of govt resources to fuck said company over.” something along those lines anyway

3) “im trash but now i make some money so i tip. therefor everyone should tip. it should be compulsory. cause as economic theory tells us, if we make it compulsory then waiters and bar stuff will get more money and umm the level of service will go up cause umm they are getting the tip anyway and umm they will work harder and umm even fi fthey dont they will still get the tip but umm.” thats how i took it anyway!

shes 2 on nationals list!!!

with joyce at 3!!

National have fucked up.
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June 12, 2017 11:55am
- brett68
  
  Paula Bennett strikes me as one of those people who’s only skills are the ability to grease and fluff the right individual.
  
  She’s now operating miles above her pay grade and it shows.
  
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  June 12, 2017 12:17pm
  - Reid
    
    Thing about Bennett is she’s a bitch, plus she’s incompetent.
    
    Just look how she treats her staff, that’s always a tell, and she acts towards them like a complete bitch.
    
    Who the fuck does she think she is?
    
    You’d think with a Westie working class background she’d have empathy but no, evidently not. What seems to have happened is her exceedingly moderate intellect has told her she’s special, capable, a mover and shaker, could be PM one day, etc etc.
    
    And she’s let that go to her rather empty head.
    
    She’d be an appalling PM, she’s already pretty appalling as a Minister, bullies never succeed in that role unless they have ability, and she doesn’t. But she’d make everyone around her suffer before she crashed and burned.
    
    She should never have been elected, should never be re-elected and quite frankly deserves nothing from the pension because she’s achieved nothing.
    
    As I said, she’s a complete bitch, period.
    
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    June 12, 2017 12:53pm
    - GoVege
      
      She’s only there because she’s the Nats’ token Maori/ westie/ woman.
      
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      June 12, 2017 1:04pm
    - GoVege
      
      Just hope putting motormouth at #2 has the same result for National as McCain choosing that moron Palin did for the Republicans.
      
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      June 12, 2017 1:14pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Reid: I got a lecture from one or two for calling the Green Leader a Obese Telly Tubby and you call Paula Bennett names worse than that and not a peep. Is that telling me that they are scared to repeat the practice against you or are they hypocrites.
      
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      June 12, 2017 1:26pm
      - Gabby
        
        They prolly skip straight past the goatle, crappy. Any consolation, I reckon Jeery Browneye’s a bigger bitch.
        
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        June 12, 2017 5:50pm
    - Harriet
      
      “….. bullies never succeed in that role unless they have ability, and she doesn’t. But she’d make everyone around her suffer before she crashed and burned…..”
      
      True. Sums up Shipley.
      
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      June 12, 2017 4:09pm
- GoVege
  
  What do you expect from someone who ate her own PETS?!
  
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  June 12, 2017 1:01pm
  - dime
    
    the trick is not to name them!
    
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    June 12, 2017 1:05pm
    - GoVege
      
      I’m sure that helps somewhat, dime!
      
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      June 12, 2017 1:15pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Or name them Mohammad kike my goat.
      
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      June 12, 2017 1:34pm
- howitis
  
  Spot on Dime.
  The Taupo waitress/17 yo solo mother is now well above her pay grade.
  It is like an FU to NZ.
  The Gnat party list top ten is pretty sad.
  Bennett; Joyce; Bridges; and Woodhouse leave so much to be desired.
  Goldsmith at #17 has to be some sort of joke.
  
  I’m sure as Minister of Climate Change, Bennett will make her mark as she did with Local Government. sarc/
  Perhaps she is a ‘Dan Quayle’ security blanket for Bill!
  
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  June 12, 2017 1:47pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  How about “Paula Bennett tipping”?
  
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  June 12, 2017 4:20pm
  - holysheet
    
    Did you mean “tupping” Paula Bennet?
    
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    June 12, 2017 5:50pm
Odakyu-sen

Can Postmodernism have an ending?
What happens when the oppressor no longer oppresses the oppressed? Does the postmodernist declare victory and go home? Or does the postmodernist have a vested interest to keep the “oppression” going so that they will not find themselves out of a job, so to speak?
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June 12, 2017 12:31pm
- Kimbo
  
  Can Postmodernism have an ending?
  What happens when the oppressor no longer oppresses the oppressed?
  
  Do you mean postmodernism, which, as per my flawed understanding challenge the alleged quest for meaning or those who use critical social theory, such as Marxists, feminists, SJW’s, and those engaging in ethnic and/or LGBT studies and consciousness-raising, whose concern is the exercise of power?
  
  According to the Hegelian dialectics on which Marx built, the clash of a thesis and antithesis produce a synthesis,, which in turn becomes the new thesis, to be challenged by yet another new antithesis. So once someone declares the “just classless/genderless/raceless etc., society”, likely a new group will emerge labelling the new order an “oppressive hegemony”. Hence the propensity of radical left revolutions to devour their own young…
  
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  June 12, 2017 12:40pm
JasonJohns

Anyone else sickened by the apology and tears for Maori terrorism in Parihaka? The government of the day destroyed the terrorist settlement and deported its male members without trial – that’s how you defeat terror. UK today could learn a lot from the way NZ dealt with the Parihaka outbreak.
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June 12, 2017 12:35pm
- rangitoto
  
  The glory days of the British empire.
  
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  June 12, 2017 1:47pm
JasonJohns

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11873273

Parihaka was a terror cult not peaceful. Read John Ansell and Kerry Bolton’s The Cult of Parihaka for proof.
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June 12, 2017 12:36pm
- Brigitte
  
  Why don’t you catch some Herbs and enjoy Parihaka?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn7a7xMeRkw
  
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  June 12, 2017 12:47pm
JasonJohns

I know that Kiwiblog readers will enjoy this. Uptick if you agree with it.

“The ‘colonial invasion’ of Parihaka in 1881 and the arrest of its self-styled ‘prophets’ Te Whiti and Tohu, have become a major part of the New Zealand narrative that has been revised to inculcate a guilt complex into European, especially British-descended, New Zealanders in the interests of tribal agendas. As such, the Parihaka legend ranks alongside America’s ‘Wounded Knee’ and South Africa’s ‘Sharpeville’ as part of a world-wide offensive against the past, present and future of European-descended peoples. Dr Kerry Bolton delves deeply into the huge body of extant historical documentation, contemporary to Parihaka’s founding prophet, and lays the entire, lame-fantasy bare for all to see.”
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June 12, 2017 12:37pm
JasonJohns

Deportation without trial…leg irons…held in caves…

this is how NZ dealt with terror before we got all PC

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/opinion/9873056/Leg-irons-reflection-of-sad-Maori-history
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June 12, 2017 12:40pm
- kowtow
  
  Sorry but that was bollocks . What it did show was what a dick the mayor was to step in ,all PC and concerned and blow ratepayer money proving how virtuous he is.
  
  “Instead, the leg irons were believed to be of Middle Eastern origin, most likely forged in the early 20th century, and were suspected to be camel hobbles.”
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/no-regrets-over-buying-leg-irons-cull
  
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  June 12, 2017 4:03pm
Scott Hamilton

‘Can Postmodernism have an ending? What happens when the oppressor no longer oppresses the oppressed?’

Are you mixing postmodernism up with identity politics? Identity politics doesn’t normally sit on a postmodern foundation…
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June 12, 2017 12:46pm
- Kimbo
  
  I think you are right. Once saw an interesting conversation between a feminist and a post-modernist. The latter was making the point that while may one may pragmatically accept the need for radical-critical methods to restrain oppression, nonetheless, “Who watches the watchmen?/Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? The response from the feminist, while not addressing the problem as perceived by a post-modernist (or logical-positivist for that matter) nonetheless made perfect sense if one practices identity politics – where there is oppression we must oppose it.
  
  Oh, yes, and there is an inherent contradiction in the foundation of post-modernism, that post-modernists usually readily acknowledge – there are no statements of objective truth, other than…there are no statements of objective truth.
  
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  June 12, 2017 12:56pm
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    But in fairness to the likes of Derrida, getting to grips with ‘objective truth’ isn’t a new problem in the Western philosophical tradition. You can’t call Immanuel Kant a postmodernist, but he was convinced that humans lack access to what he call things in themselves, because of the barriers imposed by our senses and minds.
    
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    June 12, 2017 1:24pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Hmmm.
  
  The problem with the fractionation of group identity is that it is endless.
  If you you want equal outcomes for women, does that mean white women? black women? What about their social class? Rich women? Poor women?
  
  “The ultimate diverse population is a population of individuals.” (Not my quote)
  
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  June 12, 2017 1:03pm
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    The term postmodernism covers such a range of ideas that it’s almost meaningless – like modernism, for that matter. But two things that it certainly isn’t are identity politics and Marxism.
    
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    June 12, 2017 1:17pm
Scott Hamilton

‘According to the Hegelian dialectics on which Marx built, the clash of a thesis and antithesis produce a synthesis,, which in turn becomes the new thesis, to be challenged by yet another new antithesis.’

With respect, Kimbo, that’s not what Hegel said and it’s certainly not what Marx got out of Hegel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis,_antithesis,_synthesis
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June 12, 2017 12:47pm
- Kimbo
  
  , which in turn becomes the new thesis, to be challenged by yet another new antithesis.’
  
  Sorry, the above was sloppy and it is an extrapolation by me…but I think it applied to Marx’s social/political application, hence his reading of history.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_history
  
  But he also anticipated that the classless society would be the “end”. In practice, however, it didn’t work out that way with left wing revolutions which required, in the case of Mao’s Cultural Revolution, an on-going quest for ever-greater purity.
  
  But as your knowledge of both Marx and Hegel is undoubtedly far superior to mine, I have maybe got that wrong too 😉
  
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  June 12, 2017 1:06pm
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    I don’t mean to lecture you. And it could be argued that your training in theology is pertinent here, because, as Cedric Robinson argued in his excellent book The Anthropology of Marxism, certain eschatological and teleological features of Marx’s thought – the notion of history as having a purpose and a goal, the notion of an apocalypse followed by the good life – go right back to the Old and New Testaments.
    
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    June 12, 2017 1:10pm
    - Kimbo
      
      I don’t mean to lecture you.
      
      Not at all, not that you were anyway. Always good to be corrected by someone with more knowledge. 😉
      
      And it could be argued that your training in theology is pertinent here, because, as Cedric Robinson argued in his excellent book The Anthropology of Marxism, certain eschatological and teleological features of Marx’s thought – the notion of history as having a purpose and a goal, the notion of an apocalypse followed by the good life – go right back to the Old and New Testaments.
      
      Yes, as distinct from the cyclical view that prevailed in the Ancient Near East. And why Marxism has been labelled by some “a Christian heresy”. Marxists may not like to hear that, but it is not hard to find the quasi-religious features in both theory and practice. And a bit like Christians when challenged about the flaws in practice…the ideology/faith has never been implemented as prescribed. At least I get to cry “total depravity/original sin” to justify my get-out-of-jail card! 😉
      
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      June 12, 2017 1:22pm
      - Scott Hamilton
        
        I am more interested in getting to grips with these non-linear, non-teleological views of time, like the cyclical Near Eastern view you mention. I used to assume, lazily, that the Pacific cultures all had a non-linear, essentially cyclical vision of time, but it turns out that certain societies, like the Sepik societies of New Guinea, conceive of time as aimed forward, and as punctuated by apocalypses. And even in Polynesia the importance of genealogy gives many reckonings of time a linear quality. The great Pacific scholar Niel Gunson, who began as a missionary and then got obsessed with pagan Polynesian religions, reckons that there are two layers of time-cognition in Polynesian culture – a linear, genealogical layer and a ‘shamanic’, or cyclical layer…
        
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        June 12, 2017 1:30pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Ok. Not sure if it is in the same ballpark, but the Ancient Hebrew world also operated in and incorporated both. Their religious/social/political feasts – Pesach, Shavouth, Succoth, and also new Moon celebrations, reflect cyclical reality, and, most likely, many Ancient Near Eastern antecedents. Passover – in springtime, anticipating the harvest, is fused with teleological redemption from Egypt.
        
        And the two versions of the Decalogue give different motives for observing Sabbath – in Exodus 20 as it is in keeping with the natural order as it was made (“God rested on the Seventh Day”), whereas in Deuteronomy 5 with redemption and progress to a new order (“you too were a slave in Egypt”).
        
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        June 12, 2017 1:42pm
    - KevOB
      
      History can never exist in the present. It only exists as observation and by inference.
      
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      June 12, 2017 5:26pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Hmm, I think there may be a number of tacit philosophical assumptions in that statement that you have assumed, rather than formally examined, including the definition(s) of the term, “history”.
        
        Put it this way, for Ancient Israel her “holy history” was being directed somewhere by Yahweh, and that is the conception in which all other interactions, indeed creation itself operated.
        
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        June 12, 2017 8:00pm
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    ‘there are no statements of objective truth, other than…there are no statements of objective truth’
    
    I remember Robert Wicks, who taught an excellent and very popular paper on French philosophy of the U of A back in the ’90s, pointing out this paradox when he discussed Derrida.
    
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    June 12, 2017 1:19pm
    - Scott Hamilton
      
      I think it is in the same ballpark, Kimbo. A lot of the early observers of Polynesia looked at rituals and feasts and perceived similarities with ancient Israel (of course, some of them then went on to construct barmy theories about lost tribes of Israel – theories that are still taken seriously by more than a few people in places like Tonga and Fiji!).
      
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      June 12, 2017 1:48pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Indeed. Coincidence, but with many affinities, including with Maori – a collection of tribes built on the history of a great migration, with concepts of charisma/mana, ritual holiness and uncleanness/tapu, and belonging to a particular land. Hence Maori Christian expressions of Christianity such as Ringatu and the Ratana Church found much instruction in the institutions of the Old Testament.
        
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        June 12, 2017 2:01pm
      - Scott Hamilton
        
        And just as the Maori identified with Jews in the 19th C, so Pakeha often equated themselves with the Roman colonists of Israel. At our Ghost South Road event on Saturday Vincent O’Malley talked about some articles that appeared in Te Karere in 1857, in which government propagandists told Maori that British had once been uncivilised like them, but had raised up by the Romans, who had built roads across Britain and taken land from the locals. Now the British were the new Romans, come to civilise Maori with road building and the acquisitions of land!
        
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        June 12, 2017 2:09pm
Scott Hamilton

There are as many versions of Marxist dialectics as there are Marxists, but Trotsky’s 1939 text is a short and extremely readable treatment of the subject:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1939/12/abc.htm

Where many Marxists would disagree with Trotsky is over his claim that dialectics applies to the natural as well as the human world.
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June 12, 2017 12:50pm
KevOB

Nigel Latta, John Campbell and a bunch of aggressive futurists would have us all retired while robots did our feeding, cleaning, transporting, business, entertaining etc.

Who’s going to be able to have a job in that enlightened new world? No one under IQ>=120 need apply.

What is to be done with the other 91% of the population playing tiddly winks on benefits?

If robots do everything then are we fated to have a world ultimately with only two robots providing for each other and their sole owners?

Did God make humans to be supplanted by robots?
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June 12, 2017 12:51pm
- Inandout
  
  I wish Nigel and John were replaced by robots.
  
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  June 12, 2017 12:58pm
  - Colville
    
    Inandout.
    
    Would you notice any difference?
    
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    June 12, 2017 1:23pm
  - Jack5
    
    I didn’t watch the show, but I’m sure Latta and Campbell would not be well informed about robotics. Robots have been in use for decades.
    
    One of the most interesting robotics companies in the world is based in Dunedin – Scott Technology. Did the pair talk to Scott staff? This company is active in robots in NZ, China, and the United States, and supplies automation equipment up to the scale of whiteware production lines, to a big number of countries.
    
    Robotics is becoming more sophisticated. For example Scott synchronises some of its robots with X-ray technology, and others with time-of-flight technology to synchronise tasks with moving objects.
    
    Robotics, with some other technologies, such as 3D printing, will create new products, create new demand by bringing down prices for others, open new markets, and of course create new employment as well as eliminate some boringly repetitive or dangerous jobs.
    
    Inandout might get his/her wish (12.58 post). Avatars could already replace Latta and Campbell, and save taxpayers cash in subsidies for their TV shows.
    
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    June 12, 2017 3:14pm
- Reid
  
  Didn’t see it since I never watch TV but assume they were discussing AI etc?
  
  It’s coming.
  
  That’s what the universal wage is about.
  
  Everyone earns the same in the brave new world.
  
  Only the elite don’t have to suffer the thin gruel.
  
  Question is: what is one going to do about it?
  
  Easy answer is we rise up against the system and build a society that provides creative outlets for everyone independant of having to work in an office or factory or whatever.
  
  But sheeple don’t do that. Sheeple wait for shit to fall on them then stand round bleating about how no-one saw that coming. Before obediently marching onto the cattle truck taking them to the works.
  
  Glad I’m not a sheeple.
  
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  June 12, 2017 1:03pm
  - SPC
    
    UI comes in two types.
    
    A new form whereby it is a base income for all citizens – and they earn on top of that through employment or self employment. The difficulty in implementation is ability to afford a rate equal to the pension. Introducing it at a lower level than the pension would cause poverty to some of the oldies.
    
    An income payment to those without employment – beneficiaries, pensioners (as now) and also students (universal allowance) and non working partners (to take account of the need for two income families to afford accommodation) and chance of scarcity of employment with new technology. But this need not be at the same rate for all (not as high as that paid to pensioners)
    
    Neither promotes the same income for all as such, given it is unrelated to earnings from work, paid services, or investments.
    
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    June 12, 2017 1:23pm
    - Reid
      
      I’m not really talking about the UI which exists now where we have 4% unemployment. I’m talking about what it will be when we have 99.5% unemployment and there are absolutely no prospects of any of that 99.5% ever getting off it.
      
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      June 12, 2017 1:49pm
      - Peter
        
        Indeed. It’s a very interesting topic.
        
        The economy will change and reward things distinctly human. For example, comedians. Providing company. People might earn credits by doing good deeds for others, and undertaking healthy activity, like walking.
        
        The “non-creative” stuff will all be done by machines and be “worthless” in a making-money sense. It provides all the needs.
        
        In other words, we may choose to reward very different forms of activity than we do now.
        
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        June 12, 2017 2:48pm
  - KevOB
    
    taxpayers may be required to pay extra torovide for the displaced.
    
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    June 12, 2017 1:37pm
  - KevOB
    
    The lite are going to have to pay for the gruel for the others unless they eliminate them.
    
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    June 12, 2017 5:30pm
  - Gabby
    
    You’re a goatle, o dark lord.
    
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    June 12, 2017 5:41pm
- SPC
  
  Once agriculture dominated employment, then production in the factory (“global marketed”) – yet jobs continued.
  
  Sure there will be driverless cars and forklifts and some trucks, and drones in distribution of the internet purchased and paid for product. More IT in processing business accountability to taxation liability – but still layers of management and governance.
  
  Still personnel jobs in employment, advertising and marketing for business.
  
  Still courts (lawyers) and prisons, social workers, educators and health professionals.
  
  And government.
  
  Still academia, new science, R and D, IT/3D printing/animators/virtual reality, entertainment – creative arts, sports
  
  Still property and construction, niche production.
  
  Tourism, fitness, personal services.
  
  The problem will be dislocation for the workforce during transition periods, change of income while on-going liability for mortgages etc.
  
  Unemployment Insurance on the scale of ACC may be required. A year would work now, but in the future might/would require time for re-training.
  
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  June 12, 2017 1:41pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If humans can be supplanted by robots, then we shall all live like trust-fund babies.
  
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  June 12, 2017 1:45pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Don’t panic KOB. diane little said we’re all going to have degrees because they are more profitable to tertiary institutions. So everyone will be clever.
  
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  June 12, 2017 2:29pm
  - KevOB
    
    I’ve watched degrees diminish, some to papers a notch above school C.
    
    What’s the point in feeding intellectual porridge just to keep the masses occupied who don’t want it anyway? More economical methods of dealing with unused people may be in the offing.
    
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    June 12, 2017 5:38pm
- ex-golfer
  
  The delicious irony that the show replied on people using an “App” or “Online voting” instead of “employing people to answer phones”.
  The dumb-arse SJW’s can’t seem to find their arse from their elbows and recognise that they are the main contributors to the worlds so-called demise.
  
  Irony = anti-TPP, anti-globalist protestor lined up using the self-serve kiosk at McDonalds for lunch, whislt browsing Twitter on their i-phone !!!
  
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  June 12, 2017 7:56pm
cha

Losing Ari……

Advice 4 POTUS: You have not been vindicated. U won't be unless Bob Mueller says so. Stop talking. You're heading into a giant perjury trap.— Ari Fleischer (@AriFleischer) June 11, 2017
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June 12, 2017 12:55pm
Inandout

Someone with time on their hands,

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/93584057/reports-of-three-unconscious-people-at-auckland-carpark

Or a trial run?
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June 12, 2017 12:57pm
Reid

Interesting correlation here from google trends, comparing the fake news meme with pizzagate.

The evil ones implemented the meme to prevent pizzagate from penetrating the consciousness of the sheeple. You can see it quite clearly here. Or perhaps if you’re a sheeple, you’d prefer to think it’s just a coincidence, but then, that’s why you’re a sheeple, if you think that, isn’t it.

https://trends.google.co.nz/trends/explore?q=pizzagate,fake%20news
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June 12, 2017 1:06pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid,
  
  “The evil ones implemented the meme to prevent pizzagate from penetrating the consciousness of the sheeple…”
  
  You’re joking . Like that gun slinging idiot ( Edgar Welch ) at Comet Ping Pong who recklessly fired shots hoping to find a non existent Pedophile child slave Dungeon ?
  
  http://wtop.com/dc/2017/03/plea-expected-comet-ping-pong-shooting-case/
  
  LOL
  
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  June 12, 2017 1:41pm
  - Reid
    
    Yes we know you’ve been rather hot on this pizzagate thing, you seem to insist on commenting on it even when no-one’s been discussing it, let alone the rare occasions it is discussed such as this one.
    
    The thing is stephie, you’re an idiot. You’re unintelligent, ignorant, dense, brainless, mindless, foolish, dull-witted even perhaps completely witless, slow, dunce-like, simple-minded, empty-headed, vacuous, vapid, half-witted, moronic, imbecilic, obtuse and doltish.
    
    It’s possible they’re putting the pizzagate story out to discredit people who take it up. That’s possible. However peodophilia is rife amongst the elite, look at Saville, who was a procurer (why else would the Royals so closely associate with such a man, how did he get his security clearances, why did the BBC tolerate him for so long). Look at the enquiry they’ve got going in the UK, look at the Franklin case in the US, look at Epstein and his black book – all those famous people, going to pedo island. There are many more examples.
    
    They use it as a control mechanism, and they introduce targets to it gradually, but if you’re a judge, a policeman, a politician, a diplomat, an intell specialist, a businessman or woman, and they have that on you, you’ll do whatever they want.
    
    It’s been done this way for decades, it’s an SOP, for them.
    
    But yes, it may be a ruse, to discredit people who take it up. Although the timing of that fake news trend with it is interesting, isn’t it.
    
    I haven’t made up my mind on it yet, I’m waiting for more to come out before I decide. Meantime I’m keeping an open mind on it. This isn’t possible for you, because you don’t have one.
    
    If people are curious, look through the archives of this blog, for starters.
    
    http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.nz
    
    [DPF: Unacceptable level of personal abuse. that is Strike 6 and two months off]
    
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    June 12, 2017 2:03pm
    - holysheet
      
      However peodophilia is rife amongst the elite,
      
      Since when have the followers of mohammid been classed as elite? Ferals more like it.
      
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      June 12, 2017 2:52pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , you’re suffeing ( like holyturd ) from persistent pockets of ignornace and stupidity otherwise known as thre Dunning Kruger effect ,
      
      http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons/audio/201847210/the-dunning-kruger-effect
      
      Also known as the Trump disease .
      
      LMAO
      
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      June 12, 2017 3:31pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Reid:
      
      The thing is stephie, you’re an idiot. You’re unintelligent, ignorant, dense, brainless, mindless, foolish, dull-witted even perhaps completely witless, slow, dunce-like, simple-minded, empty-headed, vacuous, vapid, half-witted, moronic, imbecilic, obtuse and doltish.
      
      Just checking you didn’t leave anything out?
      
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      June 12, 2017 5:11pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Possibly a few, This site could be fun
        
        http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/stupid%20person
        
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        June 12, 2017 9:01pm
    - Gabby
      
      What’s the next load of tosh the goatles are working on?
      
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      June 12, 2017 5:42pm
    - RichardX
      
      Reid
      
      Yes we know you’ve been rather hot on this pizzagate thing, you seem to insist on commenting on it even when no-one’s been discussing it, let alone the rare occasions it is discussed such as this one.
      …
      It’s possible they’re putting the pizzagate story out to discredit people who take it up. That’s possible.
      …
      But yes, it may be a ruse, to discredit people who take it up. Although the timing of that fake news trend with it is interesting, isn’t it.
      
      I haven’t made up my mind on it yet, I’m waiting for more to come out before I decide. Meantime I’m keeping an open mind on it. This isn’t possible for you, because you don’t have one.
      
      JUNE 12, 2017 2:03PM
      
      Really?
      You haven’t made up your mind yet?
      
      Reid
      
      Very good explanation of pizza gate and what it represents.
      
      I know you guys don’t believe it when I’ve told you the intel services use child sex slaves to blackmail politicians because this lets you control them 100%. Well pizza gate is deeply linked to a CIA black op.
      
      From a close analysis of all the evidence regarding James Alefantis, which is posted on the Internet, it’s now crystal clear that he WAS running a full-blown CIA black op. As previously mentioned, anyone who can command front page articles in The New York Times, The Washington Post and the BBC News must be very powerful indeed…as in CIA-directed and financed, for it is only The Company that could have effectuated such a highly coordinated defense executed by the major MSM organs of propaganda. And for a guy who should be investigated like there’s no tomorrow—because there isn’t for many of the children who get caught up in these pedo-rings.
      
      http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=60679
      
      This does go on. Look at the UK investigation and how it somehow manages to fuck it up time after time, never getting any traction. For instance.
      
      This blog has a lot of data on the UK side:
      http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.nz
      
      and this one gives an outline of Hollyweird goings on…
      https://intheknow7.wordpress.com
      
      This is what they do, and pizza gate is a crack into that world, worthy of them launching the fake news meme, it’s that significant, as the article explains.
      DECEMBER 29, 2016 5:07PM
      
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      June 12, 2017 8:49pm
      - mikenmild
        
        It is a bit worrying when someone tells so many lies on Kiwiblog that he loses track of them. It’s almost as if he is so stupid that he just doesn’t remember much of his previous bullshit.
        
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        June 12, 2017 9:02pm
Manolo

Deport the scum:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4594598/Apex-thugs-kicked-government-crackdown.html

African Apex gang members could be booted out of the country as soon as they turn 18 under new federal crackdown.
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June 12, 2017 1:44pm
- Inandout
  
  ‘African Apex’. Don’t the knuckle draggers see the irony in that name?
  
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  June 12, 2017 2:20pm
  - Harriet
    
    Apex gang has members where their first crime is armed robbery – mainly due to them coming to aussie as ‘teenagers’ – that’s what you get with immigrants.
    What you instead get with those ‘born’ in Australia is crimes like theft etc. where they come to the attention of police and courts before they get to armed robbery.
    
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    June 12, 2017 3:58pm
Jack5

Is Radio Labour (Radio NZ) launching a pro-Labour run-up to the general election with the Brighter Future series on its web site?

Serves National right for increasing taxpayer funds for State radio.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/programmes/brighter-future
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June 12, 2017 2:58pm
- Kimbo
  
  Time to adopt the “don’t bite the hand that feeds you?” Ministerial approach of Alfred Ngaro? 😉
  
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  June 12, 2017 3:08pm
  - Gabby
    
    True, Alfred Aggro needs to remember who pays his salary.
    
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    June 12, 2017 5:37pm
Peter

Clash of the social justice warriors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb11yLgDKic

Or why the left always eats itself and ends in fascist dictatorships, before imploding.
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June 12, 2017 3:09pm
- Reid
  
  It’d be a comedy if only they didn’t drag the rest of us down with them and make us spend precious taxpayer money on things like burly police, batons and prisons.
  
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  June 12, 2017 4:40pm
  - Peter
    
    I suspect the activist mindset – for many – springs from a childish impulse of “I’m not getting my way, so I’m going to stomp and shout!”.
    
    Which is why these groups on the left eat themselves. If they were functioning as reasonable adults they would surely collude for the “greater good” rather than fixating on minor differences.
    
    Basically, a bunch of infants
    
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    June 12, 2017 6:13pm
    - Reid
      
      Basically, a bunch of infants.
      
      Carried away on a sea of hubris fueled by an overweening smugness that their cause and only their cause is the only path, the only truth and the only truly worthwhile life.
      
      Topped off with a firm, unshakeable sense of certainty they are not doing this for them, for that would be selfish and would make them like the hated enemy, whom they despise. No! This is not for them! It’s for the victims! The poor, the dispossessed, those with no voice, no future, no hope…
      
      You’d think wouldn’t ya these people would be straight off to Syria, on the first plane, to help all the people currently being actually slaughtered over there, but apparently not. Apparently, that’s just too, you know…
      
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      June 12, 2017 7:17pm
Captain Mainwaring

This is pretty interesting. Tells you what you already knew about where the various categories of crime are happening.

http://insights.nzherald.co.nz/article/counting-crime
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June 12, 2017 4:24pm
Jack5

Good article on the Hooerald site about the appalling bail of Akshay Chand that led to the death of Christie Marceau, who he was stalking.

I presume Chand, diagnosed as insane, will stay in secure mental hospital in NZ for the rest of his life, at a seven or eight-figure cost to taxpayers.

Anyone know if he is declared sane at some stage he can be deported, or is he then regarded as innocent?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11874851
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June 12, 2017 5:52pm
- Gabby
  
  I’m guessing the judge’s delicate sensibilities will be protected from the ordeal of explaining the decision.
  
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  June 12, 2017 6:02pm
  - fernglas
    
    The reasons for his decision would have been given at the time.
    
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    June 12, 2017 9:34pm
- mikenmild
  
  How many comments today to get to 12,632, Jack?
  
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  June 12, 2017 6:03pm
  - dad4justice
    
    How many downticks you had son of Norma ? 500 or 600 hundred thousand? Go away you obnoxious troll.
    
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    June 12, 2017 6:21pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Make me go away. Bet you can’t.
      
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      June 12, 2017 6:27pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What obligations do his family have in this matter?
  They must have agreed to look after Chand if they consented to having him bailed back to his home address.
  
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  June 12, 2017 6:15pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Maggy : It is so easy for some to blame the Judge without looking at corrections roll.
    
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    June 12, 2017 7:14pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Everybody’s fault but the perpetrator, he just wasn’t handled correctly. What responsibility has Chand taken?
      
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      June 12, 2017 9:24pm
  - KevOB
    
    One has to be in Court to know how the bail was granted and the terms. The Police default position in my experience has to been to oppose bail in any partly serious matter but not oppose the Bench strongly without good reason. The prosecutor normally deals with bail applications and these are often agreed with the defendant’s counsel before trial. Bonds may be required and enforced.
    Being bailed to a home address only means that a person has an established address of reference and can be expected to be found there if, and only if, required to be there at a particular time. A curfew is frequently a condition and Police may check, sometimes in the middle of the night. The Police usually have a set of conditions to put before the judge for consideration in any particular case.
    
    It is not easy to pull the wool over the eys of the Police or the Court; they have heard all the stories before.
    
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    June 12, 2017 7:40pm
    - fernglas
      
      He was on a 24hr curfew, ie not allowed to leave the house. His family should have contacted Police the instant he did
      
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      June 12, 2017 9:38pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He can be released as soon as it is decided that he is sane. Though he probably can be recalled .
  
  Stephen Anderson, Raurimu killer of 6, was released after 12 years in psychiatric care.
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4975744/Gun-spree-killer-Andersons-first-interview
  
  He was recalled a couple of years later
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5259161/Raurimu-killer-back-in-custody
  
  But must have been released again
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/63455419/raurimu-killers-job-shocks-art-school
  
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  June 12, 2017 7:26pm
Stars And Stripes

MSD plans to buy Blenheim motel for housing
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/332848/msd-plans-to-buy-blenheim-motel-for-housing
“The Ministry of Social Development is planning to buy a 17-unit motel near Blenheim and convert it for emergency housing.
Brydan Accommodation in Springlands, which has a swimming pool and hydrotherapy spa pool, is currently advertised as premium accommodation.
The ministry wants to use it to help homeless people move on to permanent, affordable housing”.

Anyway who owns a house near this motel probably just saw their property value collapse with this announcement.
If this deal goes ahead within a couple of months of MSD moving the first bunch of scum in this place will become the biggest dump in town.
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June 12, 2017 5:53pm
- mikenmild
  
  I’m sure we’d all prefer it if MSD purchased your neighbour’s property, but it’s an imperfect world.
  
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  June 12, 2017 6:23pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Doubt it will ever happen MM as the front lawn of the neighbours place is only big enough to accommodate one abandoned vehicle plus the nearest TAB and bottle store is not within walking distance.
    
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    June 12, 2017 6:38pm
  - big bruv
    
    I would prefer that they purchased a whole bunch of tents and put the scum in paddocks away from good neighbourhoods.
    
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    June 13, 2017 6:38am
mikenmild

Loving Day in the US of A.
Celebrating 50 years since the judgement in Loving v Virginia, when Supreme Court struck down the laws in 16 states barring inter-racial marriage.
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June 12, 2017 6:26pm
- Harriet
  
  You might be into black cock but we aren’t! 😎
  
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  June 12, 2017 6:44pm
  - Gabby
    
    Sure.
    
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    June 12, 2017 7:50pm
sooty

Anyone heard anything about flop littles muslim ban today. What did he say he would introduce if he was elected?
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June 12, 2017 6:32pm
- mikenmild
  
  What Muslim ban?
  
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  June 12, 2017 6:33pm
- Happychappy
  
  sooty: Paddy Gower was having orgasms over Andrew Little’s policy and you would have thought he helped the Labour Leader formulate there Immigration Policy.
  
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  June 12, 2017 6:56pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    please don’t use the words “orgasm” and “Paddy Gower” in the same sentence. Some of us are sensitive to these kinds of mental images….
    
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    June 12, 2017 7:32pm
Stars And Stripes

High school teacher charged over sexual relations with students
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2017/06/high-school-teacher-charged-over-sexual-relations-with-students.html.
“A female US high school math teacher has been charged over alleged sexual relationships with three male students.
Police say two of the alleged victims are 17, while the other is 16”.

She looks like a pretty hot bit of ass so I would say the only real victims are the boys at the school who didn’t get a turn at rooting her?.
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June 12, 2017 7:06pm
- Fletch
  
  It seems to be a trend in the U.S at the moment. At one point it was male teachers who were marginalized just because they were male, to the point of the teaching profession almost becoming female-only. Now it’s women who are doing the offending. WND is attempting to keep a running tally. It’s up to 13 pages of offenders so far. I think they are a few months behind.
  
  http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/39783/2/
  
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  June 12, 2017 7:34pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I saw that and thought of 7 & 49 then 8 & 64.
  That Maths teacher could have made learning about square roots really good.
  
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  June 12, 2017 9:49pm
rightoverlabour

16 and 17 year old students are hardly victims here. The teacher is silly to do this, but in Europe this would hardly raise an eyebrow.
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June 12, 2017 7:31pm
- mikenmild
  
  And you’d feel the same way if it were a male teacher having sex with 16 or 17 year old girls, or boys?
  
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  June 12, 2017 8:49pm
nasska

Does anyone know on which page in the Bible it explains how to turn water into wine?
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June 12, 2017 8:28pm
- mikenmild
  
  http://www.jesusandmo.net/comic/spose/
  
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  June 12, 2017 8:54pm
  - fernglas
    
    I think it was in Paul’s third letter to the Croatians.
    
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    June 12, 2017 9:41pm
    - mikenmild
      
      You mean the Crustaceans.
      
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      June 12, 2017 9:47pm
- mandk
  
  Depends which translation you are reading and what size the font is.
  But, if you really want to find out how it was done, I suggest you get down onto your knees and invite Jesus into your life.
  Regardless of whether you find out, the praying will do you good 🙂
  
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  June 12, 2017 10:17pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Reminds me of the rather dry quip my Greek tutor made back in my theology undergraduate days, when we were first encountering the Gospel of John chapter 2 (I should say, that, if you want to help a beginner with translation, you pitch them into that New Testament book as the language is very simple, like the Old Testament Hebrew of Deuteronomy).
    
    Anyway, he introduced the text that expounds the miracle that Jesus performed at the wedding at Cana in Galilee with the words: “There are two miracles you will encounter here – first Jesus turns water into wine, and then the Baptists turn wine into non-alcoholic grape juice”.
    
    Also, my apologies, mandk, for not clearly (justified adverb) signalling that my “an objection from the cheap seats” comment earlier today was…ironic. Must remember, Kiwibloggers are challenged in that regard. 😉
    
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    June 12, 2017 10:27pm
waikatosinger

I see according to Maori television that Labour is going to “cut immigration” and “buy 30,000 people a year”. Apparently slavery is a thing with them now. Who knew.
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June 13, 2017 12:31am
cha

Dershowitz is going to argue mutilation is a benign religious procedure, because religious freedom!.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2017/06/01/dershowitz-genital-mutilation-case/102378354/
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June 13, 2017 1:39am
Manolo

Imagine if it were Obama:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/17414/cnns-fareed-zakaria-hails-trump-assassination-play-john-nolte
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