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May 6, 2017 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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oldpark

Seems a lot of people are raging that Wellington is the best city in the world to live in. They forget, it is the quality of life that is important,not just our tropical climate.
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May 6, 2017 8:02am
- Paulus
  
  Which is still better in Wellington which has a heart rather than Auckland which is getting like any SE Asian city.
  Have lived and worked in both over 30 years and there is no comparison.
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:14am
- KevOB
  
  Who can not envy the views of Wellington harbour with the orca sporting, or from the train or Mt Vic., the latter is world beating.
  Who could not enjoy seeing the then Mayor or MP’s as we strolled around Lambton Quay. Who missed James K. in the Picasso Coffee Shop, who missed developing films in the YM basement or buying mercuric chloride over the counter at Geo Wiltons just up the road in Willis Street or singing in the rain delivering the Evening Post in Buller Street or being in and out of the factories in Te Aro and typesetting at the Trade Fair when only 11.
  The weather too ensured hardyness adapting to the southerly while walking to Mt Cook School or as a harrier racing through the seas at Moa Point in an even worse southerly.
  There is a bright spark of life in Wellington.
  
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  May 6, 2017 11:10am
David Garrett

Well, not a duck to be seen this morning…all flying at Angels 20 because of the lovely clear morning I guess…Only sporadic loud bangs to be heard out here…it’s normally like the first day of the Somme on opening morning.

Waiting now for the bleating from the wankers who wish to deny us kiwi blokes another of our traditional pleasures…sitting in a cold maimai with a flask of hot coffee exchanging whispers with one’s mates, waiting for prey that may or may not put in an appearance…
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May 6, 2017 8:09am
- Kea
  
  GoVege will be along shortly to try and convince us she is more caring and moral than ordinary people.
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:21am
  - cmm
    
    Vege can bring the peas and roast potatoes!
    
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    May 6, 2017 9:25am
    - Sponge
      
      The spuds in duck fat of course!
      
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      May 6, 2017 4:30pm
  - GoVege
    
    Sorry Kea, I sleep in on Saturdays!
    
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    May 6, 2017 8:17pm
- Pateke
  
  Same down here. Can see all the way to heaven….and so can the ducks.
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:23am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I’m on the ducks side ☺
    
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    May 6, 2017 8:42am
    - Kimbo
      
      So am I as long as it is covered in orange sauce, or, even better, turned into confit! 😉
      
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      May 6, 2017 1:34pm
- starboard
  
  …”sharing whispers with one’s mates”..eew err, thought you were battin for our side DG..
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:46am
  - David Garrett
    
    starboard: You’ve obviously never been duck shooting…Here’s a hint: not only are they a lot smarter than you would think, but their hearing is pretty acute too…
    
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    May 6, 2017 9:50am
  - Sir Leslie Bottocks
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UjzZAlWAzw
    
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    May 6, 2017 9:54am
- Chuck Bird
  
  More ducks that usual in my backyard. They are not stupid. Presumably they are not Mallards.
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:51am
  - David Garrett
    
    Chuck: Yep…they are smarter than you would think…every park with water in it will be full of the buggers by tomorrow. Man vs. mallards…pretty even contest really…
    
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    May 6, 2017 9:24am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Some of them even come to the beach.
      
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      May 6, 2017 10:11am
    - ztev
      
      Ah ..but the cunning trout . Now there’s a contest.
      
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      May 6, 2017 11:08am
    - GoVege
      
      Yes…birds are highly intelligent.
      Tomorrow I will be taking nana for her Sunday drive, with supplies of bread for duck refugees.
      
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      May 6, 2017 8:22pm
- Colville
  
  I dont shoot ducks but I do chase deer.
  Opening day is the best day of autumn go bush as most of the hunters are sitting in maimais 🙂
  
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  May 6, 2017 10:01am
- Longknives
  
  Hot Coffee DG?
  Thought you Duckshooters were usually shitfaced by morning tea?
  
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  May 6, 2017 10:56am
  - David Garrett
    
    Knives: Not responsible shooters like me mate…especially not when I am with the son and heir…setting a good safe example and all that…
    
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    May 6, 2017 4:01pm
  - Sponge
    
    That’s the reason I have never really got into duckshooting. It gives me the willies with heaps of pissed guys with shotguns.
    
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    May 6, 2017 7:50pm
- GazzaW
  
  The Auckland Domain duckpond is packed to capacity currently David if that’s of any help to you.
  
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  May 6, 2017 3:04pm
holysheet

Driving the streets of Hamilton yesterday, stopped at the lights. A window washer goes to the car in front and without asking, starts washing. Then he goes past the window expecting money. He was told to wipe the suds off properly. He does so and then goes back to the window and gets a $5 note for his efforts. Needless to say, I was flabbergasted at this dumb driver for paying that much for something she didn’t ask for. It’s self-explanatory once you learn she was driving a Holden.
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May 6, 2017 8:11am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Cripes, a Ford owner would have given the parasite $10.00!
  
  (stirring pot here)
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:15am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    A Ford owner would have given him a $20 after pushing the POS onto the side of the road because it shat itself again…
    
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    May 6, 2017 8:24am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I can see this degenerating into a Monty Python-esque skit along the lines of the “Four Yorkshiremen”.
      
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      May 6, 2017 9:39am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I would have given you an up tick if it wasn’t for the Holden comment.
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:16am
  - holysheet
    
    Why if it was in narrowahere, then it would be alright? That’s where all the holden drivers come from, don’t they?
    
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    May 6, 2017 8:19am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      We do not have window washers.
      
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      May 6, 2017 8:53am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Nah the fuckers are more like to smash them and rip you off
        
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        May 6, 2017 9:01am
      - holysheet
        
        No they all come to Hamilton, hence my comment.
        
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        May 6, 2017 9:05am
- cmm
  
  The Prius driver got out and gave him a hug.
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:16am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And got a whack in the side of his head because he was wearing the ‘wrong’ colours
    
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    May 6, 2017 9:39am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Good rate of pay
  
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  May 6, 2017 10:14am
Chuck Bird

I wonder what others think. I think it is a matter of degree. I have bought a property of a deceased estate once. However, I think the recent case of the disciple of his buying a home from a women who had terminal cancer was appalling. Likewise targeting elderly people who likely have dementia in my view is very unethical at the very least.

Auckland property investors urged to target deceased estates, ‘dummies’ and ‘divorcees’

Property investors are being encouraged in a tutorial video to exploit the ‘seven Ds’ – which include targeting ‘deceased estates’, ‘divorcees’ and ‘dummies’ who don’t know the real value of their home.

The advice has “appalled” the country’s largest bank which is now reviewing its sponsorship of the organisation that distributed the video, Auckland Property Investors Association (APIA), and its national body.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11850187
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May 6, 2017 8:13am
- kowtow
  
  The ANZ talking about values in moralistic self promotion , Pot kettle.
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:23am
- Southern Raider
  
  Herald up with current trends since …… never
  
  Any property investment forum held in the last twenty has drilled the “D’s” into attendees multiple times, it’s just that no one problem shared it in a video before
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:23am
- Awww C-mon
  
  “targeting elderly people who likely have dementia in my view is very unethical at the very least”
  
  Yet you support Winston??
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:26am
  - Happychappy
    
    That was a bit unfair on Chuck as he is probably suffering from it already.
    
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    May 6, 2017 8:43am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Your hero Key was suffering from it. He could not remember important phone calls he had a few days earlier.
      
      Winston is on form. He will hold the balance of power and Bill English will agree to manned re-entry at Pike River.
      
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      May 6, 2017 8:48am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Did you see Peters’ hands shaking as he unrolled that photograph in Parliament the other day?
        
        I have doubts he is up to the rigours of another election campaign. Father Time, late nights, fags and whisky have taken their toll.
        
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        May 6, 2017 8:59am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        The only form associated with Winston is today’s racing guide. He is a drunkard charlatan.
        
        It is disgusting how he is taking those poor buggers from Pike for a ride and using them for his own advantage.
        
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        May 6, 2017 9:00am
      - Happychappy
        
        If he wants to make a issue of this and thinks people emotions for the dead will help him why does’t he stand in the Electorate and test his popularity. The trouble with that Chuck is he is a bit like you full of bulldust as he likes to call it.
        
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        May 6, 2017 9:36am
      - Liberty
        
        How democratic is It.
        If a government is formed out of minority parties.
        who can’t even form a coalition opposition.
        That would require some honesty. With Winston involved
        that would be a bridge to far.
        
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        May 6, 2017 10:16am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        @Awww C-mon
        
        John Key used the Pike River families. Winston is not as there will be a manned re-entry. We need a proper law change so that is a country cop is not in charge of a mining disaster any more than stop firemen going into a burning building. Bill English will agree to it.
        
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        May 6, 2017 11:59am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        @chuck
        
        bahahahahaha…
        
        Wait …
        
        I will respond
        
        Hahahaha
        
        When I get up off the ground from lmao
        
        Could you overtake the Stephie’s and Penny is the most clueless git on GD?
        
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        May 6, 2017 1:08pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      @Awww C-mon, when you get over laughing do you say that English will not agree to a manned re-entry?
      
      BTW – Don Brash is going to a lot of trouble to support Winston. What is your opinion of Don Brash? Do you think he is getting senile?
      
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      May 6, 2017 3:00pm
  - Liberty
    
    “Yet you support Winston??”
    The post of the week
    
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    May 6, 2017 10:23am
- peterwn
  
  Arguably the Association is doing a ‘service’ and a ‘disservice’. By increasing awareness of ‘forced sale’ situations (mortgagee sales, vendor selling before bank steps in, rating sales – yes, Penny Bright etc) there will be more interested buyers and hence will help get a better sale price.
  There are already strong protections with mortgagee sales – there needs to be an impartial valuation, the agent involved must draw up a marketing plan, give the property proper ‘exposure’ etc. However there is no obligation on a mortgagee to wait until the market ‘improves’. The borrower must cooperate by allowing intended buyers to view the property and not threatening to make life miserable for a successful buyer when trying to take possession. If a mortgagee sale is not done properly a court could rule against the mortgagee when trying to claim the shortfall against or bankrupt the borrower.
  Hopefully, and I know it is ‘hopeful’ an agent must aim for the best possible price in the circumstances and not try and take a quick commission and run, or worse still have some sympathy for the buyer. Where a house is purchased and on-sold at a much higher price the problem would generally lie with the selling agent who needs to be held to account.
  If a buyer has not got all of his or her marbles and this is apparent to the agent or buyer, a court can act. Similarly if the seller was under ‘undue influence’ from some interested party.
  There are grey areas here between legitimate buying activities and ones so immoral that a court would intervene. The two year ‘bright line’ gains tax is useful as it does provide some safeguard against buyers looking for a cheap property to flick off.
  Sellers should discuss the matter with a lawyer (or experienced legal executive) who is regularly involved with property sales before engaging a real estate agent and again before accepting any offer. OK it is going to cost perhaps a grand or two but could be well worth while – the seller also has someone to share concerns with and this helps with more rational decision making. If the property is owned by a family trust, then the ‘independent trustee’ (generally an accountant or lawyer) has to be involved – this provides a useful safeguard.
  There will always be ‘hawks’ and lazy (or worse) agents out there – sellers need to be on their guard against this. Also if an owner is under financial pressure then he or she should sell a property before lenders or creditors move so the vendor can sell without appearing to be under any pressure. A mortgagee would generally cooperate with this as long as the borrower is frank with the mortgagee and has not given the mortgagee the run-around. If there is a shortfall, though, the mortgagee must approve the sale and would generally do so if it provides the best possible outcome for the mortgagee.
  
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  May 6, 2017 10:35am
Rachael Membery

Anyone can disguise themselves in a Burka. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11849921
Probably not bad as bee suits either, the ones with lacy eye slits anyway.
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May 6, 2017 8:15am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Good spotting Rachael. That shows a hijab can be used to commit a crime and should not be allowed to be used at bank or cash flow machine.
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:22am
  - Kea
    
    Haredi burqa sect
    
    The Haredi burqa sect (Hebrew: נשות השָאלִים Nešót HaŠälím, meaning “Shal(-wearing) Women”), is a Jewish religious group, primarily concentrated in Israel, in which ultra-Orthodox Jewish (Haredi) women claim that modesty calls for a burqa-style covering of the entire body, a shal (plural shalim, English shawl), including a veil covering the face.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredi_burqa_sect
    
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    May 6, 2017 8:25am
    - wiseowl
      
      It’s world naked gardening day today.
      Can one wear a burqa for that?
      
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      May 6, 2017 8:42am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I am participating!
        
        Under my t shirt and shorts, I will be naked!
        
        I am a closet naked gardener!
        
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        May 6, 2017 8:48am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It’s world naked gardening day today
        Don’t use power tools in the nuddie.
        
        Use lots of sunscreen.
        
        Don’t bother rose-pruning today.
        
        Avoid the weedy blackberry & nettle-infested corner today.
        
        Warn the neighbours.
        
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        May 6, 2017 8:57am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Might pick some apples today
        https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a6/b2/6e/a6b26e5d60d828cb6089253f350f5275.jpg
        
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        May 6, 2017 9:05am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Is that a unicorn right in the back there Maggy or an Australian apple inspector?
        
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        May 6, 2017 9:43am
      - Biscuit
        
        Only gardeners in my street are all 80+ and with faces even worse-looking than the Duke of Edinburgh (if male) or Catherine Delascowl (if female).
        
        Methinks me will hide indoors far, far away from any windows…
        
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        May 6, 2017 10:32am
  - Longknives
    
    Can’t possibly be a problem.
    As we have learned from Sonny Bill Williams – Muslims don’t believe in and therefore wont use banks..
    
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    May 6, 2017 10:22am
- Kea
  
  The Jewish dress code has always been influenced by the Torah from both a ritual and a general perspective, but most notably with an emphasis on modesty. Modesty is of utmost important for both men and women. Indeed, wearing modest Jewish clothing is essential for orthodox Jewish women. For example, Orthodox Jewish women tend to wear clothing that is not too bright or tight-fitting, with sleeves that cover the elbows and skirts that cover the knees. In some communities, women wear socks, tights or stockings as well, but this is not universal among the Orthodox.
  
  Married Jewish women typically cover their hair as a sign that they are no longer single. ,Orthodox Jews train their girls from a very young age to dress modestly.
  
  https://unitedwithisrael.org/jewish-dress-code-based-on-torah-value-of-modesty/
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:24am
  - tf78
    
    Logically I would have thought that their way of dress arose from living in areas which would have a had a lot of sand storms and thus the clothing would protect them from that as well as from the heat.
    
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    May 6, 2017 9:01am
- Kea
  
  All about Orthodox Jewish Women
  Orthodox Jewish women have a unique dress code. If you enter any area of Orthodox Jews, the appearance and dress code of the women might strike you. You might wonder why do Jewish women wear skirts and no pants? Why do orthodox Jewish women cover their hair with a wig, hat or kerchief (called a “tichel” by orthodox Jews).
  
  Read more: http://www.orthodox-jews.com/orthodox-jewish-women.html#ixzz4gEp2DiLy
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:26am
  - Jack5
    
    Kea, wily bird, can you spell out please what you mean by this:
    
    You might wonder why do Jewish women wear skirts and no pants?
    
    Are you turning a discussion on religious modes of dress into a discussion of religious modes of undergarments?
    
    Also why are you focused on Jews, today? Is the Israeli Army experimenting with keas as suicide attackers on drones?
    
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    May 6, 2017 10:38am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Jack, you may want to try it with your kilt. Nothing needs explaining once you have tried going commando under your skirts. ?
      
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      May 6, 2017 12:54pm
      - Jack5
        
        Waikatogirl, like this? 😉
        
        https://youtu.be/MZ35SOU9HTM
        
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        May 6, 2017 2:23pm
wellygirl

A bit of a disaster for UK Labour in yesterday’s (Thursday’s) Local Elections.

Conservatives gained over 550 seats nationwide, Labour lost about 320 including in some of their traditional heartland areas.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/04/local-elections-2017-results-analysis/
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May 6, 2017 8:23am
- Southern Raider
  
  Wish we would get the same result with our local elections. May sort out some of the councils once and for all
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:25am
  - kowtow
    
    Doesn’t matter whose in power , they’re all troughers.
    
    A strong opposition is important to keep the other side “honest”. Otherwise they’ll take you for granted and screw you harder.
    
    National have been doing softly for quite a while now. Immigration , crime , health and safety , smoking , now they’re coming after the guns …….
    
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    May 6, 2017 8:30am
    - Paulus
      
      New Tauranga Mayor, in whom we all had hope, is no better than the usual.
      He wants the lower paid workers to be paid a living wage ($20 something an hour – approx $41,600 pa) and of course the Ratepayer will have to pay.
      Our answer is that over 250 staff part of 580 are paid over $100,000 a year.
      Take it from them then.
      When will we ever learn ?
      
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      May 6, 2017 2:03pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Indeed Wellygirl. The Tories have gained control of 11 councils, and Labour has lost control of seven. If this is indicative of what’s going to happen in the General Election, Labour is going to get absolutely routed.
  
  Interestingly, UKIP has lost all but one of the seats it held, and despite predictions of them doing well, the Lib Dems have lost around 10% of the seats they held. It seems to have been a two horse race, even if one of the horses looks only fit for the knacker’s yard.
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:32am
  - wellygirl
    
    It is the first time local elections have happened in such close proximity to the General Election apparently.
    
    UKIP were a one issue party, and have failed in the last 10 months to convincingly re-invent themselves. They had no plan for party direction n the event of a Leave win in the EU, it seems they thought Remain would win keeping them relevant as the anti EU party. Much of their support in previous years has come from eurosceptic Conservatives who were disenchanted with the failure of Conservatives to hold a referendum on the EU, who are now flocking back to the Conservatives. Conservatives appear to be also picking up Leave voters from Labour, which is not helpful to Labour who’s heartland areas were predominantly Leave, and view the Metropolitan Elites in London with suspicion.
    
    As for the Lib Dems, they have positioned themselves as the pro EU party, expecting to pick up votes of those that voted Remain in the Referendum and therefore increase their seats in the GE, however, to many they just look anti-British, and more interested in the interests of Europe and not the UK, something that hasn’t been helped with Tim Farron supporting the EU side this week over a number of leaks and comments from the EU designed to make Theresa May look bad. Also, many who voted Remain have accepted the result and are looking for the best deal for the UK, and those that haven’t aren’t changing their preference in large numbers. The Lib Dems are mainly picking up pro EU votes from Labour, not from the Conservatives.
    
    The other interesting result is Scotland. The Conservatives have more than doubled their local council seats in Scotland, and in some areas got their first Councillor ever. Conservatives did well in poorer areas in Scotland which were areas the SNP were targeting, though the SNP did gain 31 seats.
    
    The loss of support for Labour is down to Corbyn more than it is to a shift towards another party. For many who have talked in the media, and on social media, and to candidates campaigning, they are saying they just cannot vote for Corbyn, making their votes more a vote against Labour than a vote for a new party.
    
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    May 6, 2017 5:31pm
Kea

Jewish ‘modesty patrols’ sow fear in Israel
Some terrified that mere perception of impropriety could ruin their lives

JERUSALEM – In Israel’s ultra-Orthodox Jewish community, where the rule of law sometimes takes a back seat to the rule of God, zealots are on a campaign to stamp out behavior they consider unchaste. They hurl stones at women for such “sins” as wearing a red blouse and attack stores selling devices that can access the Internet.

http://www.violenceisnotourculture.org/content/jewish-%E2%80%98modesty-patrols%E2%80%99-sow-fear-israel
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May 6, 2017 8:27am
Nostradamus

Brian Edwards: Thoughts on Andrew Little

Little is a rather strange looking bloke. He reminds me somewhat of an Easter Island statue. But it is not a requirement of the job he is seeking to look handsome or pretty. Cast your mind back to some previous aspirants. [Nostradamus comment: Who? The mind boggles!]

‘Coming across’, particularly on television, is a different matter. And Little does not come across either in interviews or straight to camera.

It can be argued that John Key did Little and Labour a favour by stepping down. Bill English is no orator. But he has a dry, no-nonsense, Southern man quality about him that is endearing. And a wry sense of humour. More importantly, he looks and sounds honest. It would be very foolish indeed to discount his [English’s] chances of winning the September election. If Little is to reduce the chances of that happening he must learn to engage with his interviewers and with the hugely important viewer at home.

My goodness – I can’t wait to hear what Zt(r)ev has to say about this!
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May 6, 2017 8:28am
- Inandout
  
  Of course Edwards is correct on Little’s lack of charisma, but calling him a ‘rather strange looking bloke’ is a bit rich coming from a leprechaun.
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:56am
- Reid
  
  Coming across’, particularly on television, is a different matter. And Little does not come across either in interviews or straight to camera.
  
  …there seems to be a lack of engagement between him and his interviewer, him and his television audience.
  
  …my impression is that he tends to talk at rather than to his interviewers and, through them, to us. This may reflect his trade union background where rah rah declaiming to one’s audience is the expected norm.
  
  Thanks for the link Nosty. The above bits from Edwards, to me nails it. You are what you’ve done as your lifelong occupation. You absorb through osmosis whatever qualities your occupation requires you to absorb in order to become good at it. Key’s occupation was not as a trader but a manager and he reflected those qualities, English’s occupation is a politician/public speaker and he reflects that, Little’s reflects his.
  
  The extent to which media training will help is the extent to which Little can be taught to hide those qualities he’s absorbed, which are basically the qualities you need if you have a career trying to make life as difficult as possible for people whom you hold in contempt. That’s what a Trade Unionist is and does, right?
  
  This is why he talks at, not to, everybody.
  
  I’m not sure how well Little’s personality will take to acting however, which is basically what that media training will try to teach him. For he seems terrifically arrogant, and arrogant people always have trouble permanently hiding that quality, it normally slips out now and then, for in truly arrogant people, it’s ever present, it’s in their DNA, they were born with it and they’ll die with it.
  
  What a shame.
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:11am
  - mikenmild
    
    That’s quite empathetic of you Reid, about the arrogance.
    
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    May 6, 2017 9:14am
    - Reid
      
      I’m an empathetic person mm, I see all sorts of qualities in people, even ones they themselves don’t know they have.
      
      If I really was arrogant then I wouldn’t be able to do that, would I. Because to be empathetic you require non-judgementalism in the extreme, and this is the opposite quality to that practised by truly arrogant people, because arrogance is the very act of placing yourselves above others: i.e. exercising judgement against them.
      
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      May 6, 2017 9:28am
      - mikenmild
        
        Do you think God endowed you with such terrific gifts for s special purpose?
        
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        May 6, 2017 9:35am
      - Reid
        
        Yes of course He has mm, He’s done the same for you, too, and for the same reason. It’s just you have to stop sneering at everything and everyone before He’ll tell you what yours are, and you haven’t yet managed to do that.
        
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        May 6, 2017 9:40am
      - mikenmild
        
        Which gifts would you describe as your greatest, and have you discerned how God wants you to use them?
        
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        May 6, 2017 9:45am
      - Reid
        
        This is not about me mm it’s about you and how can we stop you from sneering at everything so God can enter your life?
        
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        May 6, 2017 9:49am
      - mikenmild
        
        Sorry, I’m not in need of an imaginary friend.
        If I want to be struck by the mysterious wonder of the universe, I can watch Beauden Barrett play rugby. I judge him, of course, extremely favourably.
        
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        May 6, 2017 9:51am
      - SGA
        
        @Reid
        
        If I really was arrogant then I wouldn’t be able to do that, would I. Because to be empathetic you require non-judgementalism in the extreme, and this is the opposite quality to that practised by truly arrogant people, because arrogance is the very act of placing yourselves above others: i.e. exercising judgement against them.
        
        On behalf on all the “sheeple”, “morons” and others that lack your gift of discernment, I thank you for that explanation of why you aren’t arrogant. It’s good to know that you are out there to “see all sorts of qualities in people, even ones they themselves don’t know they have.”
        
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        May 6, 2017 10:34am
  - Ceejay
    
    I remember those stories about Cunliffe being unable to find anyone to talk to at those post-session drinky dos in Parliament.
    
    Anyone know how Little gets on?
    
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    May 6, 2017 9:37am
  - Paulus
    
    I thought Andy had had media training.
    Grunter has.
    Jacinderella would scorn such, as she is perfect and a woman.
    
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    May 6, 2017 2:05pm
- KevOB
  
  Don’t under rate PM Bill English. He is a fluent speaker and can deal with any audience. He presents as gentleman, knowledgeable and in control: sufficient for a statesman. He proved his ability as Deputy, loyal and capable.
  
  I don’t know if the wannabe PM has improved, has just had a light polish or his colleagues have dropped even further behind. Perhaps they have gotten a bit green about about their hopes.
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:19am
- jims_whare
  
  A bit harsh on the Easter Island statutes, I mean what harm have they ever caused to want to be compared to Little?
  
  From a cultural view point and in their natural Island setting, the statutes exude much more of a timeless persona than the hapless Mr Little does on his best day.
  
  Dour and grumpy has a fairly limited appeal amongst the voting public I would have thought.
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:29am
Kea

Women Fight Back Against Jerusalem Modesty Signs

Modesty signs in the ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods of Jerusalem are a common sight.

The forbidding black headlines generally read, “Please do not pass through our neighborhood in immodest clothes” – with a detailed description of the dress code to be obeyed by women lest they risk “offending” or “violating the sanctity” of their surroundings.

Read more: http://forward.com/sisterhood/214501/women-fight-back-against-jerusalem-modesty-signs/
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May 6, 2017 8:29am
- simpleton1
  
  The fight back
  
  In 2014, Israeli police shot a member of the sect after she walked into the Western Wall area without stopping at a security checkpoint.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredi_burqa_sect
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:04am
stephieboy

Kea ,Jerusalem authorities denying you perv rights ?
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May 6, 2017 8:31am
- holysheet
  
  I’d keep away from mentioning anything about perving, you little creep. Bit early for the mall opening, is it?
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:36am
  - stephieboy
    
    holyturd , the female form makes you want to throw up ?
    
    Tsk, tsk, tsk pity you .
    
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    May 6, 2017 9:04am
    - holysheet
      
      What?
      
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      May 6, 2017 9:07am
    - Jack5
      
      Holy Turd ! It ‘ s going to be a big day on General Debate .
      
      The Stephieboys are sailing in diversion patterns today . Pro Jewish . Pro AIDs victim . Next it will be pro dolphins .
      
      At the same time , the Kea has begun play soon after dawn , meaning this could wily parrot ‘ s flame – out day .
      
      [ Bugger , this Stephiestani punctuation takes some getting used to . Maybe that ‘ s why multiplication was invented in Stephiestan – they had to working out the spaces between last letters of a sentence and commas , full stops , and exclamation marks ! ! ! ! ! ! One space for a comma, three for a shriek mark , and so on . Because of the influence of British colonial education and of Peter Sellers , Stephiestanis sometimes may also call exclamation marks ‘ plings ‘ . By Golly ! and Holy Turd ! They have a lovely way of talking , writing . and posting . ]
      
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      May 6, 2017 9:23am
- Nostradamus
  
  Stephieboy on 3 December 2015:
  
  Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts .
  
  *Cough*
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:36am
  - nasska
    
    ….”two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses”….
    
    What sort of pond slime gets his rocks off perving over them?
    
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    May 6, 2017 8:41am
    - holysheet
      
      The kind of pond slime who will not come out and say he thinks the sultin bin fuckwit afghani is a pervert. The kind of pond slime who thinks he should be allowed to stay here and continue molesting young girls.
      Stooooooopid is as stooooooopid does
      
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      May 6, 2017 8:51am
    - KevOB
      
      Many young women like to show off their blossoming desirability. I know, I have daughters. Look at the TV footage of Courtenay Place after dark and the pub scene.
      
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      May 6, 2017 9:23am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Mate – most women I’m really glad they’ve got lots of clothes on – talk about five or less out of ten – hahahaha
        
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        May 6, 2017 11:02pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I hope Stephieboy wasn’t wearing a raincoat…
    
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    May 6, 2017 8:45am
    - nasska
      
      Probably was……gaberdine & dirty with the pockets cut out of it! 🙂
      
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      May 6, 2017 8:47am
      - Jack5
        
        By coincidence, I was in Auckland that day, and not far from the mall so popped in.
        
        No sign of any Stephiestanis, but there was a bloke in fancy dress lying on the floor photographing the ceiling of the mall. Very unusual, but he didn’t seem to be pointing his camera at any breasts.
        
        What would you want to photograph ceilings, for?
        
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        May 6, 2017 9:39am
  - stephieboy
    
    Nostradumus, the female form nauseates you ?
    
    Urgh .. !
    
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    May 6, 2017 9:01am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stephieboy:
      
      I quoted your exact words.
      
      Thanks for confirming that you think it’s ok to perve at young girls, particularly their breasts and private parts. I prefer to appreciate them in a more respectful way.
      
      Oh – and kindly use my proper alias – as I do for you.
      
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      May 6, 2017 9:24am
      - stephieboy
        
        Nostradumus , there is a distinction between admiring the female form than salaciously perving over them as you seem to do .
        
        Get over your collection of Penthouse centerfolds.
        
        Also you conveniently miss the point I was orginally trying to make and that is most Muslims ( women included ) integrate well into our society and values.
        
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        May 6, 2017 10:00am
      - Jack5
        
        Are we understanding you correctly , Stephie X ?
        
        Horny young Stephiestanis collect pictures of young Stephiestani girls with faces covered but breasts in full open view ? The Stephiestani boys dream of touching them ?
        
        By Golly! Holly Turd! That’s what Stephiestani mums mean when they shout to teenage sons:
        
        “Enough tit – tering ! Put those magazines away and do your homework! Tit – ter, tit – ter , tit – ter all the time. You will surely go cross-eyed ! Don ‘ t you realise firm little tit – ties soon balloon and sag and drag ! Enough tit – tering . Do your jolly homework ! By Golly, golly !
        
        And don’t forget the spaces before fullstops .
        
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        May 6, 2017 10:31am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        there is a distinction between admiring the female form than salaciously perving over them as you seem to do
        
        I note your inflammatory tone and will respond in kind. No – the “as you seem to do” applies in your case. Your comment clearly demonstrates a particular focus on young girls and their breasts and private parts. At a coffee shop. Goodness knows what you get up to in other locations – hopefully nothing perverted! But, seeing as you posted a porn link on a popular blog, I’m inclined to think you live, eat, drink and breathe sex – you perverted person.
        
        Nostradumus
        
        I was inclined to be charitable and assume that your repeated misspelling of my alias was related to your generalised spelling problem.
        
        But now that I’ve drawn it to your attention and you’ve persisted, the next time you do so, I’ll from that point forward call you something like “Pervyboy” or the local favourite “Stupidboy”.
        
        Your turn to move.
        
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        May 6, 2017 3:19pm
- Swifty
  
  Didn’t you post link to porn here?
  
  Ewwww.
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:48am
- Kea
  
  No stupidboy. Just pointing out the double standard. Which is effectively no standard at all.
  
  I don’t have much time for those who claim to have concern about how women dress… except when Jews do it. Really its just an attack on Muslims, which is fine, but lets be honest about it.
  
  Personally I do not care how religious nuts dress.
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:05am
  - stephieboy
    
    Only if they happen to be Jewish ?
    
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    May 6, 2017 9:07am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Think that it is only fair that the men dress similarly to save themselves from all of the lustful women and dust.
    
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    May 6, 2017 12:15pm
doggone7

Will there be uproar about the school not being identified? If it was not a “top Auckland school” would it have been different? The Weekend Herald decided not to name the school “to protect the boy” but if it were another school would it have been published “in the public interest”?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11850920
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May 6, 2017 8:48am
mandk

Sorry, Kea, but you’ve got it completely wrong about how Jewish women dress.

This is how they really look:
https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=israeli+female+soldiers&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjlxMjZz9nTAhUFi5QKHXmhBpMQsAQIIw&biw=1242&bih=580
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May 6, 2017 8:53am
- Inandout
  
  Hot!
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:59am
- holysheet
  
  This is what female muslim soldiers look like
  
  http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4890668.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Al-Khansaa-brigade.jpg
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:01am
  - stephieboy
    
    holyturd , this is what a real Muslim women soldiers look like ,
    
    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/22/1413981456632_wps_66_FEMALE_KURDISH_SOLDIERS_B.jpg
    
    From one who couldn’t distinguish a real assault rifle from a plastic toy one .
    
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    May 6, 2017 9:09am
  - holysheet
    
    No its a fake news photo. Where is the burqa and brothers to keep them pure? these women cannot be true muslims.
    
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    May 6, 2017 9:16am
    - stephieboy
      
      holysheet , then try this,
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3777518/Angelina-Jolie-Kurdistan-dies-battling-ISIS-Woman-fighter-resembling-Hollywood-superstar-killed-clash-jihadists-Syria.html
      
      Your source ?
      
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      May 6, 2017 9:23am
      - holysheet
        
        Watties tomato does the trick
        
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        May 6, 2017 9:30am
- Kea
  
  I prefer these ones 🙂
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=israeli+female+soldiers+nude&rlz=1C1JZAP_enNZ696NZ696&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwis1oXX1tnTAhXkqFQKHScbD7AQ_AUICigB&biw=875&bih=388
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:17am
starboard

**Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari must go**

Sexual deviant and imported convicted filthy kiddy fiddler must be deported NOW.

“His indecent assaults were on an eight year old girl, 10 year old girl and 18 year old girl and a female shop assistant
Akbari has made no progress with rehabilitation and denies any wrongdoing”.

Woodhouse, National.. we are waiting.
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May 6, 2017 8:55am
- calendar girl
  
  National are in hiding on anything to do with immigration, and anything to do with crime by immigrants.
  
  They are just not prepared to debate or rectify the appalling decision to shield Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari from the consequences of his criminal behaviour. His immediate victims were young girls, including pre-teen children. But the whole of New Zealand loses part of its integrity and self-respect when its Government acts in this way.
  
  Time to fix it, Mr English.
  
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  May 6, 2017 10:49am
stephieboy

A moment to remember and honour : Breaking down the walls of ignorance and prejudice .

Princess Diana’s Handshake with Aids Patient
Witness

“In the mid-80s, the world was terrified by HIV Aids caused by a lack of understanding and misinformation. In April 1987, Princess Diana opened the UK’s first purpose built HIV Aids unit at London Middlesex Hospital that exclusively cared for patients infected with the virus. In front of the world’s media, without wearing gloves, Princess Diana shook the hand of a man suffering with the illness. This gesture publicly challenged the notion that HIV Aids was passed from person to person by touch. John O’Reilly was a nurse on the ward at the time of the Princess of Wales’ visit. He spoke to Farhana Haider about the landmark moment in the fight against HIV Aids.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04yc2kr
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May 6, 2017 8:58am
- Inandout
  
  What has Diana got to do with Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari; classic diversion.
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:01am
- Kea
  
  The whore of Windsor cared for no one but herself.
  
  A few photo shoots was a small price to pay for her life of luxury and privilege. Yet she still portrayed herself as a victim.
  
  A vile manipulative gold digger.
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:20am
  - KevinH
    
    So she turned down your offer of a cup of cocoa and a night in watching Coro St.
    
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    May 6, 2017 9:34am
starboard

Love the last sentence..gold

“How did a smiley 5-year-old become an axe-wielding, drug-addicted robber who is now New Zealand’s youngest prisoner? SAM SHERWOOD reports.

John Burrowes looks at two photos of his son Liam. One shows a happy, smiling 5-year-old, the other is an image taken from CCTV footage. It shows a drug-addicted 16-year-old robbing a dairy armed with an axe.

Burrowes, a painter, shakes his head.

“Look what’s happened to him . . . Other than doing crime he’s actually a nice boy.”

The Woolston Night and Day armed robber.
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May 6, 2017 8:58am
- mikenmild
  
  Must be getting a bit dangerous for you to shuffle down to the Woolston Club with your walking frame.
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:01am
  - starboard
    
    Its ok mm, ya Mum helps me, unless she is absolutely shitfaced on sherry again, whereas I take advantage of her over the small fence next to the clubs driveway.
    
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    May 6, 2017 9:08am
    - mikenmild
      
      At least you’re not pretending to be in Thailand any more.
      
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      May 6, 2017 9:23am
- stephieboy
  
  starboard , a difficult problem for you to wrestle with ?
  
  Sam Sherwood happens to be white ?
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:12am
  - starboard
    
    Doesn’t bother me what colour he is stupidboy, just so long as the facts are portrayed honestly. You will note I have highlighted a white offender which poo poo’s your notion that I am racist. Now, Starbucks is open..run along and take that sap mm with ya, he needs a day out by the looks of things.
    
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    May 6, 2017 10:01am
- VicParking
  
  Blamed on him mixing with boys who’s parents let them go out late. DAA. They let him got out late??
  
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  May 6, 2017 11:28am
DifferentPerspective

More Alinsky Facism from NRT

Apparently, according to NRT it’s almost desirable now to have homeless tramps sleeping in your business’s doorway (you know littering, shitting, obstructing, abusing passers by, making it difficult for your early start staff to get in etc).

He drops a hint that he wants to go Alinsky and name and shame those businesses that seek to deter deadbeats from blocking their access to their business by installing sprinklers to dampen the enthusiasm of deadbeats sleeping in their doorways.

Of course, if for instance there was a plan to dox Labour party donors – then it’d be a “massive breach of privacy” and a “further sign of how NZ is slipping into far-right fascism”.

Cos, you know, it’s only OK for the Left to do evil shit!
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May 6, 2017 9:03am
- Callum
  
  I expect a lot of these business would get more customers if they knew they were keeping their access ways safe and clean.
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:11am
Huevon

So, according to his ex girlfriend, Obama really wanted to bat for the other side and got married for political purposes…where have we seen that before?
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May 6, 2017 9:17am
- stephieboy
  
  Huevon , source ?
  
  More of the usual fake Fox, Breitbart , WND, Infowars etc ?
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:18am
- mikenmild
  
  Frankly, I find the birther and secret Muslim stuff more credible…
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:21am
- redqueen
  
  He wanted to join the Republicans? 😉
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:26am
- cmm
  
  I thought it was that Obama’s boyfriend Michael trannied to Michelle so they could be together.
  
  Bloody hard keeping up with the latest theories.
  
  But that’s all a side show. Who cares what’s in their pants?
  
  Far more important is how he good a president he was, and even that doesn’t matter any more because he’s gone.
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:30am
Happychappy

Biscuit / Does Liverpool have to travel to West Ham before the end of this season.
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May 6, 2017 9:25am
- Biscuit
  
  Yep, HC.
  
  Pool’s final three games are:
  
  H Southampton (this weekend)
  A West Ham (May 13)
  H Middlesbro (May 21)
  
  Did you know that after that last game Pool fly to Sydney for a game at the Olympic Stadium against Sydney FC?
  
  And did you know who has tickets for that?
  
  I was at the MCG the night they played there a year or two back, too.
  
  Life is good!
  
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  May 6, 2017 10:38am
  - Happychappy
    
    Well done I hope you have great trip but West Ham disrupted the Party of another of the Premier League Wannabees this morning.
    
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    May 6, 2017 11:21am
lastmanstanding

Best thing we can do is start moving our exports away from Oz to other markets. They have a 500 Billion dollar deficit up from $230 Billion 4 years ago.

The deficit will continue to climb as spending programmes out strip revenue.

We cant afford to be dealing with a lame duck economy.

IMHO their deficit will be One Trillion Dolllars by 2022 or earlier given the current trajectory.

The Lucky Country is lucky no more.
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May 6, 2017 9:35am
- cmm
  
  Nope, keep exporting to them as much as they will take, but also expand into other markets too…. That’s the best approach.
  
  It is also the approach that NZ has been taking for the last decade or two.
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:42am
- srylands
  
  Um bullshit.
  
  The Australian budget deficit is about $38 billion. Sure they have a fiscal problem but it is still manageable.
  
  There has been no recession in Australia for 26 years. There is no sign of one any time soon.
  
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  May 6, 2017 10:56am
  - Sponge
    
    There has been no recession in Australia for 26 years
    
    And they still running big deficits? Christ, they really are in the shit.
    
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    May 6, 2017 3:41pm
  - cmm
    
    $38 bn is the DEFICIT.
    
    Their debt is some $250bn or so. That’s not huge, but it is still large and if they are running a deficit, they’re going in the wrong direction at the tune of $2500 per person per year.
    
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    May 7, 2017 7:00pm
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/drinks/92164958/kiwis-drink-less-coffee-than-you-might-think

There’s a classic case of MSM out-of-touchness.

They drink a whole lot of $5 coffees themselves and so automatically think everyone does and thinks as they do.

No wonder they end up being completely astounded when election results come out – their mates and colleagues are to a true reflection of society at large.
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May 6, 2017 9:41am
- mikenmild
  
  In other news, rural folk are much more likely to have sex with animals…
  
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  May 6, 2017 9:47am
  - holysheet
    
    and in even more important news, public servants are much more likely to be seen drinking more coffee and commenting on Kiwibog than any other employee category…………
    
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    May 6, 2017 10:08am
  - Biscuit
    
    To be fair, mikenmild, it is rare for a cute cow or sheep to be seen strolling down our avenue…
    
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    May 6, 2017 10:41am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    I’ll try to keep nasska off you
    Boom
    
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    May 6, 2017 11:09pm
starboard

At least they are having some sort of sex mm..being 40 plus and living at home with ya mum ( god bless ‘er ) is not a good look, especially with ya rubber bum and oil on your bedside table. Does mum still think it’s a ( small ) candle holder ?
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May 6, 2017 10:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Usually I am a fan of crisp descriptive writing, but you have a facility for placing disturbing visions in my mind’s eye.
  Could you tone down the graphic visuals a bit?
  
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  May 6, 2017 10:15am
  - starboard
    
    “In other news, rural folk are much more likely to have sex with animals…”
    
    “especially with ya rubber bum and oil on your bedside table.”
    
    I would have thought the first comment more mind burning than the latter Maggy. ( oh, and I didn’t down tick ya )
    
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    May 6, 2017 10:25am
Southern Raider

It’s not just the Queen St unknown “education” companies providing qualifications for cash and then potential visas in the international student scam

Unitec has now been caught giving electrical qualifications to 6 Saudi students who cheated and copied the same answers. Investigation was down including Saudi officials and no action was taken. The students couldn’t answer one verbal question correctly, but we gave them a NZ qualification anyway

Good on the Unitec lecturer for resigning in protest
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May 6, 2017 10:16am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Wasn’t that funny that they had copied down the markers notes and had still made mistakes even though copying.
  
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  May 6, 2017 2:18pm
Reid

Heard an interesting observation the other day I thought I’d share.

Science tells us the Sun is super hot. That it’s millions of degrees at the surface and that this heat travels through space and warms the Earth.

But we are also told space is super cold, aren’t we.

So how can heat and cold co-exist on the journey to the Earth then when it hits us suddenly re-generate? That makes no sense, does it.

So how about if the Sun actually emits light. And it’s the light hitting the atmosphere which we feel as heat. Doesn’t that make more sense?

How else can one explain that obvious physical paradox?
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May 6, 2017 10:34am
- srylands
  
  No that is not interesting. You are assuming that heat from the sun reaches us by convection, like standing in front of a fire.
  
  Heat from the sun reaches Earth via radiation.
  
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  May 6, 2017 10:42am
- mikenmild
  
  And you call other people morons?
  
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  May 6, 2017 10:42am
- holysheet
  
  It’s all that pesky Co2 that’s stopping the heat being generated by human activity, ( never mind what nature produces), from escaping and saving us from the ravages of a freezing space.
  
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  May 6, 2017 10:49am
- rangitoto
  
  The Sun’s surface temperature ~5,780 K (a bit over 6,000 C) is calculated from the Stefan-Boltzmann black body radiation law. Total radiative power (that’s all radiation from long radio waves through to gamma rays) = Sigma * T^4. Sigma is a known quantity which depends on surface area and some physical constants. You measure the Sun’s output power per square meter on Earth and use that to calculate the total power. Then solve for T.
  
  The problem is you are confusing temperature and heat.
  
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  May 6, 2017 11:15am
  - mikenmild
    
    No, the problem is that Reid is basing his scientific knowledge on biblical nonsense.
    
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    May 6, 2017 12:32pm
- ztev
  
  Hold your hand near the light bulb
  You see the light but feel the heat.
  
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  May 6, 2017 11:18am
Happychappy

So all you Winston fans the NZ First Leader is calling Bill English and John Key disgraceful over the Pike River Mine and there behaviour suggesting there is a cover up but when it is suggested that a law concerning the health and safety legislation be changed to allow attempt to recover the bodies of those inside be made in his name and if the attempt turns tragic and people lose their lives he is held responsible. Well your brave leader immediately cried wolf and would have nothing more said on the subject. I have just watched this on the Three Website if other want to look.
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May 6, 2017 11:15am
- ztev
  
  Where was the H&S when the miners were working ?
  Its a red herring, we were told recently that the mine had to be sealed- no ifs no buts- because Worksafe decreed it.
  That turned out to be… -another bluff
  
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  May 6, 2017 11:21am
  - rangitoto
    
    I’ve no problem if Angry and Winnie go down the mine. Send them in.
    
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    May 6, 2017 11:31am
    - Reid
      
      There’s safety in numbers so perhaps we should send in both caucuses as well.
      
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      May 6, 2017 5:10pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      What if mine explodes ? Andy would not know what had hit him – Winnie would just shrug ‘I’ve seen bigger blow jobs’.
      
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      May 6, 2017 11:14pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Who was in charge of the union which represented miners when it blew up?
    
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    May 6, 2017 11:31am
  - Happychappy
    
    ztev / Why was Andrew Little saying nothing before the disaster wasn’t he in charge of that Union before the disaster or was your head that far up his arse you couldn’t comprehend.
    
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    May 6, 2017 11:34am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      He did say something after the first explosion…….
      read all about it here
      http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/epmu_and_pike_river.html
      
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      May 6, 2017 1:37pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Having read that I’m now reminded of what a despicable bastard he is.
        Thanks Maggy.
        
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        May 6, 2017 2:27pm
  - Callum
    
    Were are the workers shouldering blame for covering gas sensors so they could keep working? What about the ones crying about how unsafe it was yet still choosing to send their kids into that environment?
    
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    May 6, 2017 12:03pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      They are beyond question having lost loved ones.
      Apparently.
      
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      May 6, 2017 11:16pm
Fletch

Stupid, but true –

Trayvon Martin Will Be Awarded a Posthumous Aeronautical Science Degree

http://time.com/4769587/trayvon-martin-posthumous-degree-florida-memorial-university/

Yeh, because the kid was a real rocket scientist…
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May 6, 2017 12:02pm
- Longknives
  
  Jesus they are STILL using the photo of Trayvon Martin taken when he was 12..
  Google what he looked and dressed like at the time of his death- This Wannabe ‘Gangsta’ was going to end up in jail not working for freaking NASA!
  
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  May 6, 2017 4:21pm
Jack5

Auckland property investors tell how to fleece suckers:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11851029
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May 6, 2017 1:39pm
publicwatchdog

Progressing the ongoing fight for transparency in the spending of public monies on private consultants and contractors in Auckland…. FYI

“6 May 2017

Auckland Council
Strategic Procurement Committee

Chair Mike Lee,

Request for Speaking Rights at the Auckland Council Strategic Procurement Committee meeting to be held on Wed. 10 May 2017:

My intended subject matter is:

1) To request that the Strategic Procurement Committee please adopt the same transparency regarding awarded contracts, as does Auckland Transport, which has recently started making details of ALL awarded contracts, including those worth less than $50,000, now available for public scrutiny:

https://at.govt.nz/media/1972623/nzta-awarded-contracts.pdf

2) To request that the Auckland Council Strategic Procurement Committee also include details of all contracts which have been sub-contracted, to be made available for public scrutiny.

3) There is a proven risk of corrupt ‘conflicts of interest’ in the awarding of contracts, as was recently revealed in the unprecedented bribery and corruption case, concerning Auckland Council Controlled Organisation (CCO) AucklandTransport:

https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/r-v-borlase-reasons/@@images/fileDecision

In the ‘Reasons for the Verdict of Fitzgerald J’, the role of senior Auckland Transport ‘public official’ Murray John Noone, in developing, and promoting the ‘collaborative’ model for contracting, (from which he personally received $1.2 million in bribes from corrupt contractor Stephen Borlase), and the role of the former Chief Operating Officer, then, and current CEO, and the Board of Auckland Transport in approving this ‘collaborative’ contracting model in May 2011, was clearly outlined in para [301]

” [301] In this context, Mr Gammie referred to a procurement plan for Road Corridor Maintenance released in May 2011. The document recorded the “document owner” as “Manager Road Corridor Maintenance”, namely Mr Noone.

“Mr Gammie explained that the documents set out the basis for the procuring the new road maintenance and TSS contracts, and that he thought of it as “Mr Noone’s plan”, given that he had developed it.

The document recorded its author and various sign offs, namely that it was written by Mr Noone, recommended by Mr Gammie and approved for submission to the Auckland Transport Board by Dr David Warburton, the then CEO for Auckland Transport.

It was approved by the Auckland Transport Board in May 2011. ”

a) I thus recommend that the ‘collaborative model’ for contracting cease forthwith.

b) That ALL Auckland Council ‘public officials’, particularly those responsible for procurement, be prohibited from having business interests, (shareholdings / directorships) in private companies.

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption campaigner’. “
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May 6, 2017 3:13pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Penny:
  
  2016 Auckland Council mayoral election results
  
  Phil Goff 187,622 (1)
  Penny Bright 7,022 (6)
  Informal 1,427
  Blank 5,815
  
  So you came 6th (a massive 180,000 votes behind the winner) and – my goodness – you just managed to edge out “Blank”! Do you know if “Informal” and “Blank” will be standing against you in the general election? Better watch out: they could beat you!
  
  But, looking at these results, Auckland ratepayers have voted and sent a strong signal that they don’t want you representing their interests.
  
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  May 6, 2017 3:34pm
stigie

Jeez, can you imagine Penny with the Mayoral chains around her neck, it would be like one of those hairy chested open shirt blokes from the 80s with a large medallion hanging to the navel !~
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May 6, 2017 3:51pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  one of those hairy chested open shirt blokes from the 80s with a large medallion hanging to the navel
  
  It could be worth a try Stigie. Penny hasn’t had any success in previous elections (I think we’re up to about 8 failed election campaigns now?). As is often said, insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting different results. So perhaps it’s time for Penny to think big – and to update her billboards with an image like the one you’ve suggested?
  
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  May 6, 2017 4:01pm
  - stigie
    
    Can you kindly put up an image to test the good people here with your vote of confidence Nostra..?
    No photoshopped versions please !~
    
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    May 6, 2017 4:06pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stigie:
      
      If Penny says she’s happy to be photoshopped in that way (to see if it’s likely to pull in votes for her) then I’m sure the Kiwiblog community could arrange something!
      
      Personally, I’d like to see her campaign in the Shon-Key persona. Take a look at the video in my link – it’s hilarious!
      
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      May 6, 2017 4:13pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’d like to see her campaign in the Shon-Key persona.
        Penny has been very reluctant to accept any electoral campaign advice from KBers.
        I was more than willing to run her last campaign, but she assured us that she had lots of young, switched-on helpers.
        
        I think the day of the pant-suit is over… didn’t do much for Hillary or Helen (at the UN).
        
        I’d put Penny into a pair of Manolo’s heels and a plunging neckline…. works wonders for Theresa May.
        https://www.ft.com/content/0f4ca38e-4815-11e6-8d68-72e9211e86ab
        
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        May 6, 2017 5:45pm
    - nasska
      
      Something like this stigie? We could always draw the chain & medallion later. 🙂
      
      https://images.clipartof.com/small/1048573-Cartoon-Black-And-White-Outline-Design-Of-A-Crazy-Woman-In-A-Straight-Jacket-Poster-Art-Print.jpg
      
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      May 6, 2017 4:19pm
      - stigie
        
        Once she’s out of the strait jacket, i vote Nasska to draw the chains and medallion on her chest..?
        BTW, take meds first !~
        
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        May 6, 2017 4:36pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        You almost seem a bit too keen to see an image of Penny looking like “one of those hairy chested open shirt blokes from the 80s with a large medallion hanging to the navel”. Do you need help with anything old chap? Just say the word and we’ll see what we can do!
        
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        May 6, 2017 4:54pm
      - stigie
        
        We all need some help here from time to time Nostra, just not as much as the Stephie’s or sometimes your good mate Dad..?
        
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        May 6, 2017 5:02pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Hey stigfly can you take some form of medication to help with your deranged fixation with me? Is your life that boring in the rest home you find it necessary to start a war of words with me every fucking day. Get some professional help you psychotic creep. Cowards like you make me sick.
        
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        May 6, 2017 5:08pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        You sure that’s not a photo of her nasska?
        
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        May 6, 2017 5:12pm
Nostradamus

Mike Williams: All must come to aid of party

In order to win in September, Labour will have to encourage its local campaign organisations to mount a “two ticks” campaign and to underline the primacy of the party vote.

The make-up of the Labour Party’s list will help in this regard. Many of its best and brightest candidates will rely on getting elected from the list and are therefore dependent on Labour doing a lot better in the party vote than the 25 per cent it scored in 2014. These include not just Willie Jackson but party leader Andrew Little, the wily and seasoned Trevor Mallard, David Parker, who is one of the party’s best brains, and an awful lot of really valuable and attractive new blood.
…
If I was running Labour’s party-vote push, I’d be turning a group of the list hopefuls into a travelling party-vote task force and look at including Jacinda Ardern in all advertising.
If Labour manages to narrow the gap between its party vote and candidate vote by half, the party will be competitive in September.

There’s a defensive tone in Mike William’s comments.
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May 6, 2017 3:56pm
- Reid
  
  look at including Jacinda Ardern in all advertising.
  
  If they examine the promo material used for that 70’s telly program Ed the Talking Horse they could save a lot on creatives having to come up with an entirely new idea.
  
  Maybe I should write to them.
  
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  May 6, 2017 5:06pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Reid:
    
    I looked up this video and laughed my ass off. Thanks for the tip!
    
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    May 6, 2017 5:19pm
Nostradamus

‘Dangerous’ prisoner fakes illness to escape court next door to police station, goes on the run

A man escaped from a court next door to a police station on Saturday morning after faking illness. Police say Rikihana Tawhai, known as Ricky, escaped custody around 10am at Porirua District Court when an ambulance was called. “Tawhai presented ill and an ambulance was called. While being assessed, he ran off and left the courthouse,” police said.

Wow – the most sophisticated prison break ever – not!

Tawhai, 27, is 170cm tall (5’7″), of solid build, and police described him as dangerous

How delightful. So they decided to treat a dangerous prisoner in the street and let him run off.
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May 6, 2017 4:07pm
- Inandout
  
  Health and safety come first in cotton wool land. For Christ’s sake, somewhere in the dark reaches of our political system there must lurk a party that will put an end to soft cock law enforcement.
  
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  May 6, 2017 6:22pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Well that’s what happens when you have Parties going all out to change laws and your mate Winston wants a rule to suit him. If you listen he wants to allow the Families into the mine but when ask if it was allowed would he take responsibility if it creates another disaster he cries wolf. If It is fine for him to score political points as long as he gets a exemption then why highlight your braveness in wanting to lead the rescue into the mine.
    
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    May 6, 2017 6:56pm
BeeSting

https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/scandal-in-sweden-when-ingrid-questions-the-unquestionable
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May 6, 2017 7:29pm
- EAD
  
  What a very informative interview – thanks for sharing Beesting.
  
  To summarise for those who won’t take the time to watch it, Henrik Palmgren talks with a well known Swedish journalist/activist Ingrid Carlqvist. We learn how Ingrid has recently woken up to the central role of organised jewry in destroying Sweden through the pushing of the Third World invasion of Sweden.
  
  Prior to this awakening, like many on Kiwiblog, she focused her attention on Muslims, i.e., the “effect” rather than the root cause. Since her awakening she has even begun to question aspects of the “holy of hollies“, the “Holocaust” (or “Holohoax” as many of us like to call it). As a result, many people who have been supportive of her work have suddenly shown another face and have turned strongly against her.
  
  Very brave and courageous women.
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:33pm
  - dad4justice
    
    ” To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
    
    ―Voltaire
    
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    May 6, 2017 8:40pm
Happychappy

Winston Peter’s wants to go into bat for NZ’s living in Australia over what they now have to pay in University fees. The funny thing about this is he was part of the nanny state Policies of the Clark Labour Government that people left in droves because of these policies. These people did not care one cyotte about leaving this Country and have not paid tax or worried about our society in the last decade so why the fuck are we sucking up to people that did not care a shit when they left to make a better life for themselves in Australia.
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May 6, 2017 7:48pm
- BeeSting
  
  ACTUALLY RETARD MANY OF THEM
  PAY TAXES IN BOTH COUNTRIES?
  
  IF YOU WORKED A BIT HARDER
  USED YOUR BRAIN A LITTLE MORE
  BEFORE OPENING YOUR BIG IGNORANT MOUTH
  
  YOU MIGHT STAND A CHANCE
  OF PAYING YOUR HOUSE IF YOU OWN ONE
  A BIT EARLIER AND WORKING IN MORE
  THAN ONE COUNTRY OTHER THAN NZ
  
  IF YOU DO NOT WORK IN BOTH NZ AND AUS
  YOU ARE NOT THAT GOOD
  
  NOT VERY SKILLED AND NOT VERY
  SUCCESSFUL ARE YOU
  
  BUT WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM PEOPLE
  WHO ARE GOIGN TO VOTE FOR A PERSON
  
  BASED ON HIS ABILITY TO SHEAR A SHEEP
  
  ARE YOU SKILLS NOT UP TO IT
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:04pm
pentwig

beesting
do you frequent mt roskill cafes and perv on young girls too?
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May 6, 2017 7:48pm
- BeeSting
  
  ROSKILL WAS AN ANTI WHITE CRAP HOLE
  WHEN I LAST SPENT TIME IN IT
  
  REMEMBER THOSE SCENES IN ROMPER
  STOMPER WITH RUSSELL CROWE
  picking in ASIANS what a crock that movie is
  boo hoo
  
  That never happened in AUS
  It happened in NZ
  
  IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND
  IN MOUNT ROSKILL HIS HOME TOWN
  BROWN AGAINST WHITE
  
  Good ole Gangs
  FROM MOUNT ROSKILL GRAMMAR
  or brown against brown I remember GANGS
  heading to ONEHUNGA TO RUMBLE
  
  and on the WAY SOME ANTI WHITE VIOLENCE
  as a WARM UP
  
  HEY SCUM BAG
  
  GET A LIFE AND GROW A BRAIN CELL
  
  I HEAR MOUNT ROSKILL HAS GOT A LOT WORSE NOW
  
  I CAN REMEMBER WHEN ALL THAT AREA
  WAS CLEAN AND TIDY THOUGH
  
  AND SAFE?
  
  WHAT HAPPENED WE ALL KNOW
  WHAT HAPPENED
  
  PLEASE DO NOT TALK TO ME
  
  DOG POO
  
  STEW IN YOU OWN POO with the
  PEOPLE YOU VOTE FOR
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:11pm
  - stephieboy
    
    ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz…
    
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    May 6, 2017 8:36pm
  - nasska
    
    You left a bit of wriggle room there BeeSting & someone less charitable than me might interpret your answer as meaning “possible” or “undecided”.
    
    Try to be more emphatic & don’t be afraid to speak your mind! 🙂
    
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    May 6, 2017 8:49pm
    - BeeSting
      
      Sorry the internet controlled by
      Communist China had a sling out
      
      I would just like to add
      
      THEY DO IT BECAUSE
      THEY CAN VOTE
      
      BUT HEY I HEAR BOTH PARTIES
      OF NZ JUST IMPORT PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR THEM (it is called democrapsie)
      
      ISN’T THAT THE ART OF THE DEAL
      IN GOOD OLE NZ NOWADAYZ
      
      BETTER BRUSH UP ON YOUR MANDARIN
      MATE BEFORE YOUR MORTGAGE
      GETS ANY BIGGER – YOU D HEAD
      
      YEP EVERY ONE SHOULD HAVE STUCK AROUND FOR JOHN KEYS TAX REFORMS
      JESUS
      THAT LEFT THE AVERAGE HOUSE HOLD
      THE PRICE OF ONE COFFEE BETTER OFF
      Wow what an Economic Genius?
      
      HOW IS THE GOOD OLE SURPLUS BEING
      DISTRIBUTED?
      
      STRANGE HOW NOW THAT A W**KER
      IS GONE PEOPLE ARE COMING BACK?
      
      CALLED VOTING WITH YOUR FEET
      
      Hey But MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
      JOHN BOY
      
      ASIAN BIRTH RATE OVER TOOK THE
      EURO ONE IN NZ
      
      SO MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
      TICK THAT BOX AND RUN
      
      SO HE CAN GO PLAY GOLF IN HAWAII
      WITH OBAMA SCUM
      
      NEVER GOT TO DE BRAND THE COUNTRY
      FOR SALE TO CHINA BUT THAT IS GOING
      TO HAPPEN ANYWAY
      
      GAVE A BIG DONATION OF YOUR MONEY
      TO BLOW JOB BILL AND HIS
      BITCH HILLARY SO IT IS ALL GOING TO PLAN
      
      BETTER PUT A SHEEP SHEARER IN CHARGE
      
      That will fool the Sheeple
      
      SO YOU CAN ALL
      SHAG THE COUNTRY ONCE
      AND FOR ALL
      
      The Country Changed from
      SOCIALISM Under Clark to
      NATIONAL SOCIALISM under Key
      
      BOTH PUPPETS FOR THE SAME
      OFF SHORE PEOPLE
      
      Strings appear to go in different Directions
      but they do not
      
      CHINA NEEDS YOU MATE
      CHINA LOVES YOU
      
      When you have paid your Mortgage off
      Don’t work in AUS
      
      Go Buy a house in China
      
      They will give you a good deal
      
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      May 6, 2017 10:09pm
  - dirty harry
    
    Back in the early 80’s, Mt Roskill was pure blue collar working class. Grafters 7.30-5.oopm plus sat mornings..Mum, Dad and 3 kids. Now look at the shithole. Fuck me, anyone could mistake it for Somalia. What a damn shame. The horse has bolted on that one.
    
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    May 6, 2017 9:45pm
nasska

I was watching a scene today where the Incredible Hulk smashes up a supermarket, terrorising the customers, leaving cans spinning all over the floor & then breaks through the doors into the car park.

For those of you at Pak n Save in Masterton at 9.30am this morning, my wife has PMT, couldn’t find the “right” chocolate & all I can do is apologise…
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May 6, 2017 7:56pm
Fletch

Lorde’s parents get married.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/92299673/lordes-parents-get-married-in-auckland

A bit backward isn’t it?
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May 6, 2017 8:21pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , like I suppose Catholic Church based annulments for the well heeled are progressive ? ,
  
  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/08/annulments-celebrities-catholic-church/71874694/
  
  LOL !
  
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  May 6, 2017 8:35pm
  - BeeSting
    
    HEY SCUM BAG BOY
    THEY WERE QUOTING THE ZEALOT
    SAINT PAUL AND TRYING TO INFER
    HE WAS ANTI LGBT
    ON THE KIWIBOG
    
    AT LEAST YOU SEMI_ LITERATE
    CORRUPT PACK OF RETARDS ARE ACTUALLY
    MAKING A DECENT ATTEMPT TO REFERENCE
    THE NEW TESTAMENT
    
    MUST BE TIME FOR YOU AND SOME OF YOU
    SCUM TO TRY CRUCIFIXION AGAIN
    
    BUT I HEAR YOU GET OFF ON OTHER THINGS NOW
    
    KIWI BOG
    WE ARE THE PROPAGANDA ARM
    OF THE NATIONALS SOCIALISTS OF NZ
    PARTY FORUM THIS WEEK
    
    When Saint Paul is referring to people
    who like SEX WITH ANIMALS
    Sheep Goats (Do you have them on Holy
    Mount Roskill to RIDE YET)
    
    He was referring to the kinds of people
    
    LIKE THE ONES FROM NZ AND AUS
    in THIS DOCUMENTARY
    
    YOU WOULD LIKE IT IT IS CALLED
    
    SODOM
    
    THIS KIWI OZZIE COUPLE
    They Ordered a Child FROM RUSSIA
    and LIKE THE GOOD PARENTS THEY
    WERE TOOK IT ON A SEX TOUR OF THE WORD
    
    RUSSIA HAS SHUT ITS BORDERS
    TO STOP NEW ZEALANDER AND
    AUSTRALIANS USING WOMAN AS SURROGATE WHORES FOR ADOPTION
    MAINLY BECAUSE OF THESE TYPES OF CASES
    
    GO TO MINUTE 29:58
    
    THE AUSTRALIAN POLICE SAY IT WAS THE
    WORST CASE OF CHILD ABUSE
    THEY HAVE EVER SEEN
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m8-_QlwYV8
    
    They SOLD THEIR CHILD
    
    ANY WAY GO TO MINUTE
    
    29:58
    
    GREAT C U NTRY YOU HAVE THERE
    
    Was that NZ and AUSTRALIAS
    
    FIRST MARRIAGE
    
    MAYBE YOU AND JOHN KEY AND KIWI BOG
    
    CAN DO AN ANNULMENT ON THAT ONE
    
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    May 6, 2017 10:22pm
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      WHO THE FARK IS THIS ASSHOLE ?
      
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      May 6, 2017 11:23pm
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        The Documentary Covers
        an important Case in NZ and AUS that is true
        
        It is JUST THERE For you Reference A R S E HOLE
        IS IT TRUE OR NOT?
        
        I will let you be THE EXPERT JUDGE ON THAT as you
        NO DOUBT ARE
        
        LIKE ALL
        
        A R S E HOLE S
        
        FROM NZ ARE
        
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        May 6, 2017 11:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I have an addiction to food and a flat white/day.

Since I have moved to Gizzy , I have eaten out most days and no-one has stopped me or addressed my debilitating affliction.

At a rough estimate, I think the eating parlours and greasy spoons owe me $30,000.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/92295383/australian-professor-poured-230k-into-pokie-machines-while-club-staff-stood-by
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May 6, 2017 8:22pm
Jack5

An example of the astonishingly fast growth of China as an industrial power.

A few decades ago, Chinese police were buying radio equipment made by Tait Electronics in Christchurch NZ.

Now a Chinese radio firm is taking over the British company which makes radios for the British police. It’s interesting that the Chinese Government has a stake in the company making the takeover move.

If Angus Tait hadn’t left his company tied up in a trust to ensure continued NZ ownership, it would likely have been taken over by Chinese firms and all Tait manufacturing would have moved to China.

On Kiwiblog, you often read posts saying that China’s rapid industrial growth is the result of adopting free-market principles and practice. However, the Chinese State, and local bodies, even the People’s Liberation Army, are big players in Chinese industry, typically as partners with small investors.

China also keeps a protective shell over what it sees as its core industries, one of them steel. Try buying into that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4478890/Chinese-takeover-radios-firm-prompts-security-fears.html
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Left Right and Centre

KBers joke or whatever about telly news being infotainment etc . . . I’ve got it on and the weather bitch on mediawonks news says something like ‘I’ll have the weather for you later on in the show’. . .

Are you farking shiting me or what ? Later on in the **show** ? It’s the farking news mate – it’s not a show. The blood, it is real, yah ? If I wanted to watch a show about weather – it wouldn’t be called ‘good times during May in NZ’ – I’d want to see blue skies and sun and shapely tanned women who can’t bear to wear more than skimpy bikinis.

That’s what the news is now – it’s not news – it’s just another ‘show’. If it was a newspaper – it might be something like . . . let’s quickly get through these unfortunate first few pages of depressing shit chop chop and get onto that wanky lifestyle bollocks and soft feel good human interest lovey cutesy pukearama asafp.

Another one – I saw some woman who is a ‘Pacific reporter’ – and the story was – er – just about people in NZ. Who had set up some kind of app for helping learner drivers prepare for licence tests. Happened to be brown skinned. Whoop de do dah. They’ve got their own ‘Pacifica reporter’. Good one. Farking stupid – no – that’s just ‘reporting about something going on in NZ’. Do you need a TV reporter for each ‘ethnic group’ living in NZ ? Here’s our ‘Asian correspondent’ discussing a new app to help some of our more ‘recent kiwis’ parallel park better than a blind person. Really ??
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