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pdm

8.03am and all’s well.
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May 31, 2017 8:03am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  All’s well because Mad William’s not here yet.
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s because he’s busy postings on Climateconversation this morning
    http://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2017/05/lets-take-the-wind-from-their-sales/#comment-1533701
    
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    May 31, 2017 8:33am
    - RalphT
      
      No, I think it’s because if he can’t get in first he stays away to lick his wounded pride.
      
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      May 31, 2017 9:08am
- Biscuit
  
  Well done on being the first poster of the day, pdm!
  
  Sadly, heh heh, I was a bit too late seeing this .. and someone has already got my downtick on you ahead of me.
  
  Dash and damnation, eh?
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:04am
  - pdm
    
    You can be a nasty bastard sometimes Biscuit.
    
    I thought I had suffered enough humiliation with my last weekends selections.
    
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    May 31, 2017 11:34am
    - Biscuit
      
      There, there, pdm, an uptick just to make you feel better!
      
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      May 31, 2017 11:38am
duggledog

Monday on National Radio we had Tim Oughton ‘Executive Principal’ (read: Headmaster) from Auckland’s exclusive Kristin School espousing the virtues of non-gender specific toilets and uniforms for non-binary students.

He said, and I quote ‘I would never want to force a student to do anything they don’t want to do’

This is from a school’s headmaster?

The 1% of kids who don’t know which team they bat for can use the teacher’s toilets. How would the PPTA like that?

In the same programme, Counties Manukau Police Inspector Glossop was exasperated at the level of youth crime, especially aggravated robberies of dairies and the tender age of offenders.

Bring back corporal punishment.

The cane wasn’t that bad. Drew a line in the sand. And before anyone says ‘it’s brutal!’ well so is rugby and that’s drummed into our boys, many of whom sustain life-changing injuries from childhood.

The cane never gave anyone life-changing injuries.

The two stories above make me wonder about the future of this country’s children.
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May 31, 2017 8:03am
- Huevon
  
  Just as prison are no longer about punishment, schools are no longer about education. Welcome to the grace new world.
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:06am
- 4077th
  
  The level of exclusivity for attendance at Kristin School would suggest the principal has never had to deal with the same issues a principal from say a south Auckland secondary school. I would go as far to say that “gender neutrality” is probably higher on the list of PC bullshit for this school and likely the parents. I wonder if the same attitude is prevalent at Vanguard Military School or Sunderland School here in West Auckland? I bet not, the focus is on education, discipline and hard work. Gender neutrality is the hobby horse of hand wringers of the left and those who prescribe safe area’s for gazing at sky fairies and kid gloves for bullies.
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s here already
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/93142840/schools-edge-towards-genderneutral-uniforms-and-toilets
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:03am
    - 4077th
      
      It would be interesting to see if charter schools were as accepting of this rubbish. It’s common knowledge the teaching profession is infested with snowflakes hell bent on indoctrinating our young people with the same failed ideologies. I suspect charter schools are far less swayed by this PC, social engineering crap.
      
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      May 31, 2017 9:33am
      - KevOB
        
        Has this come out of teacher training? Has the Ed. Dept been corrupted? Why are taxpayers having to tolerate these affected so called teachers. It is no wonder my children have opted for alternative schooling where they are being allowed to develop.
        
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        May 31, 2017 10:51am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Flexible gendering is the new anorexia; it uses the same vulnerable children with mental health issues and supplies them with a purported way to “take back control” of their lives.
    
    For those advocating it, the best way to understand it is as an ostentatious and mendacious bit of virtue signalling. They show the “care” by helping to mess up the lives of others.
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:45am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      From: Tales of Old Dartmoor
      
      Bloodnok: Wait! How many sexes are there?
      
      Seagoon: Two.
      
      Bloodnok: It’s not enough I say, go out and order some more.
      
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      May 31, 2017 11:01am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Woody Allen: “I’d like three children; one of each.”
        
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        May 31, 2017 5:23pm
Inandout

Ya, House of Cards ready to view, and no it wasn’t based on Trump, but it was based on the Clintons. The US media of course has turned it into an anti Trump series.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/you-might-think-that-but-we-couldnt-possibly-comment?utm_term=.spAJbaeB4#.myyXaL09v
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May 31, 2017 8:03am
- sam green
  
  Based on a British TV series which was based on Thatcher’s government wasn’t it?
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:08am
  - Kleva Kiwi
    
    Isn’t the protagonist a Democrat though
    
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    May 31, 2017 8:12am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    The original HoC was certainly based around a Conservative PM sam. Given that this is season 5 of the US version, it’s well past the point where it could be based on Trump, especially when you consider that right up until November 8th, no one gave him a snowball’s chance of becoming President.
    
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    May 31, 2017 8:32am
    - sam green
      
      I didn’t mention Trump.
      
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      May 31, 2017 8:34am
    - Inandout
      
      The ‘association’ has already started,
      
      http://fortune.com/2017/05/30/house-of-cards-season-5-donald-trump/
      
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      May 31, 2017 8:55am
      - sam green
        
        I didn’t “associate”.
        
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        May 31, 2017 12:28pm
  - Inandout
    
    Well the writer was an ex Conservative MP so he would know the inner secrets of the Commons. The original series was somewhat darker than the US series, but both series are brilliantly acted.
    
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    May 31, 2017 8:52am
- 4077th
  
  It’s an excellent drama albeit based on the opposing pole of my political globe. Am only half way through season 2 and I am very much enjoying it. Kevin Spacey is a very talented actor and plays the most devious of characters exceptionally well. I would rate the show 4 out of 5 as far as Netflix originals go.
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:44am
oldpark

When Earl Hagaman a NZ Patriot donated $100,000 to the National Party.The trade union apologist Angry Andy Little from the joined at the hip Lie-bour/GreenParty potential NZ economy wreckers,said” it stunk to high heaven”.Wonder what he said when ,believe it or not, an ex court Judge ,called “Smellie”,has just donated $100,000 to the joined at the hip Liebour/Green Party ,potential economy wreckers if they get elected in Septembers General Election.
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May 31, 2017 8:08am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Well spotted Happychappy; the irony of the name of Labour’s donor, given Little’s former intemperate remarks, is rich indeed.
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:17am
  - Happychappy
    
    KS: It was old park that did the spotting but it shows how much Labour value the worth on getting a rich prick to explain why he gave Labour a Large donation. With this well known persons support they think that public opinion could alter with publishing his reasons for the donation.
    
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    May 31, 2017 8:40am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Notice how Labour’s rich donor got rich from having his snout in the taxpayers’ trough.
      There is something smelly about this.
      
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      May 31, 2017 9:19am
      - stephen2d
        
        Smellie to high heaven!
        
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        May 31, 2017 9:47am
      - Jack5
        
        I wouldn’t donate or bequeath money to the Greens or Labour, but up till now I’ve heard only good reports about High Court judge, Robert Smellie, QC.
        
        He’s entitled to give his money to whomever he pleases, as we all are.
        
        Let’s hope Kiwiblog readers are in total are at least counter-balancing the judge.
        
        Re KeepingStock at 8.17 or Stephen2nd at 9.47 making a play on the name: “Smellie” is a very old surname, which Wikipedia says is of Scottish origin and gives a list of distinguished Smellies. The most common occurrence of the name is in the United States and England.
        
        Given the viciousness of children when in mobs, I reckon it could be character building to grow up with a traditional British surname such as Smellie, or Bottom, or Balls, or Willy, or Handcock, or Nutter. Character building in the way described in the song by Johnny Cash, “A Boy Named Sue”.
        
        The rest of us can be reassured that in one of the world’s thousands of languages our surname very likely means something surprising.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smellie
        
        https://youtu.be/_Gbtm-93oqE
        
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        May 31, 2017 11:40am
      - peterwn
        
        He would have got rich before he took his vow of poverty (accepting a HC Judgeship).
        
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        May 31, 2017 1:42pm
- G152
  
  Didn’t you get the memo.
  It’s different when the left do it
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:39am
Odakyu-sen

Angela Merkel has dramatically signaled a move away from Donald Trump – saying Europe can no longer rely on America.

Gee, that plays right into Trump’s hand of getting the EU nations to pay more for their defense.

Germany to up its armed forces? (It’s deja vu all over again…)
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May 31, 2017 8:09am
- jms
  
  Germany to up its armed forces? (It’s deja vu all over again…)
  
  Their new muslim master race wants Lebensraum, but it’s more likely Merkel will get it for them by stealing it from German citizens than by invading neighbouring countries.
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:34am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    How will the Germans get their youngsters to reproduce? The birth rate is still well below replacement level?
    
    Japan is grappling with this issue (and China is watching with interest). If anyone can crack this nut, Japan can. Mind you, the methods may not be workable outside of Japanese culture, and will probably involve:
    
    – home-helper robotics
    – local community information networks
    – assisted death (doing one’s duty for Japan)
    – temporary assistance from licensed and regulated short-term Asian home-helpers
    – a modern version of “obasute-yama” (I really hope it doesn’t come to this one)
    
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    May 31, 2017 8:45am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Need higher taxes on the childless to balance their free-loading on the 10’s of thousands of hours of unpaid work that parents do to create new assets for the state (tax payers) who support them and wipe their arses in their old age.
      
      Probably the biggest help would be free creches and after-school programs to allow parents to continue working without the huge financial penalty that paying for child minding imposes.
      
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      May 31, 2017 10:10am
    - Jack5
      
      Mussolini bumped up the Italian birth rate in an attempt to get the average family size up to 12 children. In the Fascists’ “Battle of Births,” he imposed a high tax on bachelors, and declared a women’s employment quota of 10 per cent of all jobs.
      
      In communist Rumania, Ceausescu bumped up the birthrate by attacking family planning and measures such as a “celibacy tax” on women.
      
      Mussolini:
      
      https://searchinginhistory.blogspot.co.nz/2014/06/mussolinis-battles-battle-for-births.html
      
      Ceausescu:
      
      http://www.ceausescu.org/ceausescu_texts/overplanned_parenthood.htm
      
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      May 31, 2017 10:04pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Germany has been trying to conquer Europe for a century plus now and the EU was just another Trojan horse for them to achieve that goal by diplomatic/economic means.
  
  Which was a strategy that was working, until the UK broke ranks and showed that there is life after a failed political EU union. The immigrant crisis was working wonderfully, it distracted more and more from the stronger and stronger position Germany was putting itself into with:
  – huge unpayable loans to southern European countries
  – leadership among the larger mainland European countries
  – being able to bully late joiners like Hungary and Poland re their Schengen responsibilities.
  
  Now with the UK subsidy disappearing and US welfare support for NATO going it’s all looking unsustainably expensive leading to the inevitable re-militarisation of Germany (again).
  
  How long before history repeats itself and German tanks roll across the border into Poland as Germany helps Poland “fulfill” it’s Schengen obligations to welcome Islamic ~~terrorists~~ refugees?
  
  And as usual, after Europe has totally f***ed itself up at the hands of the Germans – who will be there to tidy things up (again! for the third time) – the UK and the US (oh yes, the ones that Merkel is demonising right now).
  
  It’s in the German DNA – I know why don’t we call this Krautophobia!
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:47am
  - Inandout
    
    Even German cars are over rated. How many owners of German cars can honestly say they have done over 200,000 kms trouble free?
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:00am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Dead right Inandout.
      The interesting thing about German cars is that when new they cost twice as much as Japanese cars, when 8 years old they’re worth the same, and when 15 years old they’re worth half.
      Because at 200,000kms they cost twice as much each year to keep on the road than what they’re worth.
      
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      May 31, 2017 9:20am
      - Colville
        
        My trusty Toymotor Prado (I have had from new) is sitting on 292,000kms and they most expensive thing its had done is the radiator that had a stone hole in it. Other than that brake pads and oil filters.
        Tempted toward a VW toerag but i have heard bad things about upkeep for the German lass!
        
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        May 31, 2017 9:39am
      - Ed Snack
        
        It does depend on the make & model; I have a VW that unfortunately has suffered from electrical issues (traced eventually to a chaffed cable to the electronic parking brake that shorted and scrambled parts of the ECU), the follow on model is a hell of a lot better as they re-routed the wiring – something I wish I’d known at the time but it only appears after about 5-6 years.
        
        Then again, a co-worker has a Nissan that has been almost as bad with transmission and cooling issues; and another with a Toyota that also had electrical problems. And don’t ask about the former co-worker who had a Prius and the battery decided that it had had enough.
        
        The best cars for longevity are ones from 1998 or so to around 2006. They have less electronic equipment and electrics to go wrong, and tend to have lower stressed engines and less fancy transmissions. Fewer turbo’s and the like.
        
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        May 31, 2017 9:53am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Do not buy modern ultra high pressure turbodiesels. The tiny parts of the high pressure fuel systems are a maintenance nightmare, any contamination in fuel can destroy them, and they are unreliable and hideously expensive (often >$10k) to repair, effectively writing off a vehicle that is more than 10 years old when they fail. 20 year old pre TDI diesel vehicles are now worth substantially more than TDI vehicles that are 10 years younger due to greater reliability.
        
        Direct injection petrol engines are only slightly better. Port fuel injected petrol engines with or without turbos are the cheapest vehicles to own over the longer term (turbos save a lot of fuel use but have slightly higher average maintenance costs due to occasional $1-2k replacements needed).
        
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        May 31, 2017 10:19am
    - Rich Prick
      
      I don’t keep mine long enough for the trouble to start.
      
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      May 31, 2017 9:47am
  - Paulus
    
    Merkel does not have to roll over France – her little submissive boy will let her do that.
    The French people have surrendered again to Germany without either knowing or or without a fight.
    No wonder Putin cannot stop laughing.
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:00am
    - Inandout
      
      Macron worships aged women, and Merkel sure fits the bill. I once had a momentary thought of Merkel in a Nazi uniform, carrying a lengthy whip; amazing what goes through one’s mind when mowing a lawn.
      
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      May 31, 2017 9:05am
  - jms
    
    You’re giving the German government way too much credit. They’re actually committing national suicide.
    In a few decades the country will be a backwater.
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:05am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    If war comes again, Japan will be on the side of the Allies (like in WWI).
    It’s only fair. She was on the other side last time…
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:10am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Berlin Police have just foiled a suicide-bomb attack
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40096753
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:23am
  - VicParking
    
    Once Germany is taken over and becomes a Caliphate it will over run the rest of europe in a gallop.
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:26am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Based on what piece of Isamaphobic and other nuttery ?
      
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      May 31, 2017 9:31am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        If you are not already a Muslim, why not?
        
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        May 31, 2017 9:41am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Get it right SB- the correct SJW term is Krautophobia.
        
        I know it’s hard to keep up with what the latest fads are in terms of ‘being offended’ but if you are going to play the butthurt card – you have to play the right ones!
        
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        May 31, 2017 8:51pm
    - stephieboy
      
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      Rachael Mewbery , on what rational and reasoned basis do your believe 5 % of the German popualtion will turn Germany into a Calpipahte ?
      
      If you like the same locally here in NZ , too ?
      
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      May 31, 2017 9:45am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Perhaps you should put some new words into your personal computer dictionary to help, words like Caliphate, population and Rachael Membery lol.
        Consistency dear …..boy, consistency.
        
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        May 31, 2017 10:51am
- SPC
  
  If Germany had any intention of upping its military spending it would have already done so.
  
  It prefers to spend 1% of GDP on defence, rather than 2%.
  
  It cites foreign aid at a higher level than the USA to justify this lower defence spending, but it is only at .5% of GDP less than the .7% committed to back in the 70’s (the UK is at 2% for defence and .7% for foreign aid).
  
  Sans the UK, the Germans and French will soon have to determine on behalf of the EU whether NATO continues or not. An opportunity for the EU to have a standing army (back up to German dominance of the economics and politics of the EU) and develop an independent foreign policy.
  
  All consistent with Trump’s American first agenda – to withdraw from the world and end its days as a super power.
  
  Why do you think this fool has Russian backing?
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:25am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Good work sneaking in the fake news TDS prod. You are a skilled snowflake
    
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    May 31, 2017 8:52pm
waikatogirl

878 police pursuits in the first 3 months of this year. The police are sick of contacting the owner of the dangerously driven fleeing car only to find the ‘parent’ won’t give up the details of their little darling, some as young as 11 or 12 years old, out in the family car doing whatever they like at 2am.
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May 31, 2017 8:14am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Don’t call them “police pursuits” waikatogirl. What they should be called is episodes of scumbags failing to stop, and fleeing the police.
  
  I have little sympathy for those killed or injured trying to do a runner. I have every sympathy for any innocent person they may crash into, and for the police officers who are hauled over the coals in the media and by the IPCA when one of these episodes has a sudden and tragic ending.
  
  If you run from the Police, you alone are responsible for everything that happens from that point.
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:29am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I agree KS
    ☺️
    
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    May 31, 2017 8:44am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Shouldn’t it be called “felony flight”?
  (You are considered a felon if you attempt to flee from a police pursuit.)
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Do we have felons/felonies in NZ?
    I’ve only heard these terms on Yankee TV programs.
    
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    May 31, 2017 8:52am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I use a American English in my work. (Gotta keep the clients happy…)
      
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      May 31, 2017 8:59am
    - stephieboy
      
      Maggy Wassilieff ,
      
      felony |ˈfɛləni|
      noun (pl.felonies)
      
      a crime regarded in the US and many other judicial systems as more serious than a misdemeanour: he pleaded guilty to six felonies | [ mass noun ] : an accusation of felony.
      
      In the US the distinction between felonies and misdemeanours usually depends on the penalties or consequences attaching to the crime. In English law felony originally comprised those offences (murder, wounding, arson, rape, and robbery) for which the penalty included forfeiture of land and goods. Forfeiture was abolished in 1870, and in 1967 felonies and misdemeanours were replaced by indictable and non-indictable offences.
      
      ORIGIN Middle English: from Old French felonie, from felon (see felon1) .
      
      DUH !
      
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      May 31, 2017 9:34am
      - Manolo
        
        Nobody could expect semi-literate stephieboy to give English lessons. Wow!
        
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        May 31, 2017 9:36am
      - holysheet
        
        Any dumb arse can cut and paste. The sign of a little semblance of thought is when they can put it into everyday use. Until we see that happening, they will always be stooooopid.
        
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        May 31, 2017 9:48am
      - stephieboy
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        holyturd , what piece of alt right nuttery do have in store for us today ?
        
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        May 31, 2017 9:51am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ holysheet
        
        Any dumb arse can cut and paste.
        
        Fair point. Plus cut-and-paste means one misses the opportunity to free-style with spelling as was common in William Shakespeare’s day, before Dr Johnson and his infernal dictionary.
        
        That’s a personal compliment and also plug for the “holysheet-school-of-wilful-and-capricious-spelling” (© Kimbo Enterprises, 2017), btw…
        
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        May 31, 2017 9:54am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yes, Stephieboy
        I know how to use a dictionary.
        
        I want to know if felonies are part of NZ’s Justice/Legal system.
        (That should have been obvious if you had been reading through the nested comments)
        
        Could you provide me with an answer and references in the next hour?
        Tx
        
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        May 31, 2017 10:19am
      - holysheet
        
        Holy shit a complement from kimbo.
        Wonders will never cease.?
        
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        May 31, 2017 10:21am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Holysheet
        
        a complement from kimbo.
        You are perfect as you are.
        Kimbo gave you a compliment.
        
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        May 31, 2017 10:41am
      - KevOB
        
        Felony is not in use in NZ.
        
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        May 31, 2017 11:04am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Maggy Wassilief
        
        Kimbo gave you a compliment.
        
        Indeed I did. But watch out, Maggy. it would seem that my sometime-acquaintance, holysheet does not take kindly to friendly attempts to share good-humoured information on the better expression of the Mother Tongue, that are also an attempt to make a light-hearted quip at his expense. Plus I don’t know how he would react f he knew your pacifist beliefs and practices stems from the religious source of Quakerism. I say this as your plate is very full with…stephieboy.
        
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        May 31, 2017 11:09am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @KevOB
        
        Felony is not in use in NZ.
        Tx
        
        My research showed:
        1. The distinction between felonies and misdemeanours does not exist in New Zealand.
        http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/1966/criminal-law
        
        but
        2. Georgina Beyer reported that she had been charged with “frequenting with felonious intent”
        The fact that legally she was a male meant that, on the one occasion she was arrested, she could not be charged with prostitution but was instead deemed to be ‘a rogue and a vagabond’ and was charged with ‘frequenting with felonious intent’ (Beyer, 1999)
        – https://www.justice.govt.nz/assets/Documents/Publications/sex-industry-in-nz.pdf
        
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        May 31, 2017 11:37am
  - Lance
    
    Since NZ doesn’t have ‘felonies’ as such.
    We could perhaps call felons “dickless morons”
    
    So the offense would be “dickless moronic flight”
    That would sum it up nicely
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:04am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      And dickless is a good current thinking gender neutral option because if you are a female and identify as such, you are truly dickless and thus cannot be offended
      
      If you are a male and identify as a female, your feelings are not hurt by being called dickless because that is what you aspire to.
      
      Sort of only leaves the testosterone fuelled wankers really to make a hole in my argument who will be dickless once their mum finds out what shit they have been up to.
      
      And, they sure are morons and I don’t care if they are offended by being called so.
      
      Never mind.
      
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      May 31, 2017 10:22am
- peterwn
  
  Let the Police seize the car for 28 days then. Parents will then be more careful before parting with the keys.
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:50am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  I was in Oz a few years ago and I loved how their press reported it when little darlings expired after wrapping around a tree at 180kmh when fleeing the police – they used words like “Hoons kill themselves”.
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:51am
  - Lance
    
    Here it would be “Police murder innocent youth on way to Sunday school”
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:06am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      You forgot the ‘disabled’ and ‘maori’ for maximum impact
      
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      May 31, 2017 10:23am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Transgender and lesbian wouldn’t go amiss as well; headline longer than the value of the piece.
        
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        May 31, 2017 10:25am
      - Colville
        
        and such a well respected young leader of the community….
        
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        May 31, 2017 11:11am
      - starboard
        
        …who really was such a nice fella
        
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        May 31, 2017 12:27pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        ‘turning his life around’ is a favorite as well . . .
        
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        May 31, 2017 12:58pm
      - holysheet
        
        “He was such a good boy” is the standard.
        
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        May 31, 2017 1:30pm
Odakyu-sen

I read this radical idea that the reason for allowing all these incompatible “refugees and immigrants” into Europe is to break down national identities and induce the native peoples of Europe unit as one “volk” to force the “invaders” out.
Seems like a very dangerous game that could very well play out in ways unforeseen by its architects (assuming such architects exist and this whole scenario is not simply the result of gross incompetence).
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May 31, 2017 8:17am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Almost like a Union. Of Europeans…
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:49am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Sounds more like a flower power 1960s Coke advert.
    
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    May 31, 2017 8:51am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    What’s this you say? A “united Europe” under Germany!!?
    
    (Feels sudden stomach pain and a need to dash to the smallest room in the house.)
    
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    May 31, 2017 8:55am
- stephieboy
  
  Odakyu-sen, source ?
  
  Stormfront or PJW / Infowars etc ?
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:36am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    stephieboy,
    
    What are these things “Stormfront, PJW / Infowars” of which you speak?
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:45am
    - stephieboy
      
      I believe you must know especially Infowars and PJW.
      
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      May 31, 2017 9:49am
    - Rich Prick
      
      They’re websites that leave stephie a little damp down below.
      
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      May 31, 2017 10:08am
    - 4077th
      
      I believe these are the places StiffyBoi goes first thing in the morning for his/her daily dose of self flagellation, teeth gnashing and keyboard thumping to prepare him/her self for the downtick fest.
      
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      May 31, 2017 10:20am
Keeping Stock

Twelve months from when they first went public, have the Greens fallen out of love with Labour? Barry Soper thinks so:

It was a year ago today that the Labour leadership stepped up to the podium with the Greens to mark the bond they’d formed to change the Government this year.

They did something that would have sent a shiver up Helen Clark’s spine, embracing the Greens, saying after the election if they get to form a Government everything will be up for grabs, except for one job, finance, that would go to the man who came within a hair’s breadth of beating Andrew Little to the leadership, Grant Robertson.

That was to appease those who cringe at the idea of the Greens pulling the economic purse strings. But of course finance would be there for Winston Peters’ taking if he wanted his old job back.

As a first anniversary gift, the Greens breached their Memorandum of Understanding on Budget day by voting with the Government it has pledged to replace. Little told us he only knew they were crossing sides, when they started voting.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/opinion/the-soap-box-deal-with-labour-the-greens-biggest-mistake/

Soper also describes the MOU as “the Greens’ biggest mistake”. He goes on to say “They may think their association could attract some Labour votes for them, but if that’s their thinking, they misunderstand the tribal nature of that party’s followers. ”

Unfortunately for Labour, the number of “tribal” supporters gets fewer every election cycle. They are not quite a dying demographic, as NZ First supporters literally are, but Labour has become so factionalised in the last 20 years that few people now know what they actually stand for.

It was fun while it lasted, but it seems likely that Andrew Little will be climbing into an empty political bed tonight, rather than celebrating the anniversary with organic champagne, vegan food and the stimulating company of James and Metiria.
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May 31, 2017 8:25am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I love the way that lefty Soper has been forced to swallow dead rats in order to bring us the truth about Angry.
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:27am
- Colville
  
  I believe Gareth Morgan will suck up more than a few disenfranchised Greenies this time around.
  
  About 4.9% (110,000 voters)would be perfect 🙂
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:16am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    If he also brings the Greenies down to 4.9% that would be better than perfect.
    
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    May 31, 2017 10:32am
    - KevOB
      
      Is Gareth any better? At least the Greens are predictable seat fillers and cause little harm even if they do keep going on about climate change.
      
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      May 31, 2017 11:07am
    - Colville
      
      I am a bit worried by the Greens vote being eroded too much as if Lab is say 30% and WinstonFirst is 12% with the Greens 8% I am sure Little will just do a deal with Winston and tell the Greens to go f*ck themselves like Auntie Helen did.
      
      Little is no where near man enough to deal with Winston and the country (us taxpayers!!)would suffer.
      
      Edit. Even at Lab 27 NZF 12 and Gn 8% they would be able to rule. if Little will give Winston DeputyPM he will grab those baubles with both hands.
      
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      May 31, 2017 11:17am
      - RF
        
        What a toxic combination. Surely it would not last 3 years.
        
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        May 31, 2017 1:27pm
SteveRemmington

A classic “Show Me The Money” moment.

A must watch!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/30/jeremy-corbyn-car-crash-interview-childcare-pledge/
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May 31, 2017 8:28am
- 4077th
  
  Seems to be standard issue Labour playbook. Little suffering the same fate time and again. The difference being Little just wings it without the need for a digital assistant however useful it may or may not be.
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:52am
  - Biscuit
    
    Agreed, 4077th…
    
    The timeline is eye-opening.
    
    Helen gets rolled.
    
    Labour’s solution: Replace her with an old hack ’cause it can’t have been our policies, right?
    
    Goff gets rolled.
    
    Labour’s solution: Replace him with an old hack. Our policies are fine. The people will see the light soon!
    
    Shearer gets rolled.
    
    Labour’s solution: Replace him with an old hack.
    
    Cunliffe gets rolled.
    
    Labour’s solution: Replace him with an old hack. Temporarily. Till we take our Fab Four round the country so they can gaze in awe at the talent we have. ‘Any day now, any day now, we shall be be-lieved!’
    
    That old hack runs 3rd in a four-donkey contest. Labour appoints … an old hack…
    
    Little gets…
    
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    May 31, 2017 10:17am
    - 4077th
      
      All that remains to be done is for Little to hold up 2 old Snappers… Grant Robertson and Maryan Street 🙂
      
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      May 31, 2017 10:26am
    - GoVege
      
      As my teenage med student nephew said a few years ago: if Labour could only stop the in-fighting and work together…they might get into power.
      I gave up after Cunliffe got stabbed in the back.
      
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      May 31, 2017 10:46am
      - jcuk
        
        After visiting the Standard over the past few years it has become obvious to me that they are a bunch of idealists lacking the common sense of National to hold things together. altogether too clever for their own good.
        
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        May 31, 2017 11:23am
JasonJohns

The white nationalist activist who found ancient European bones and a lost civilisation in Northland is being persecuted by the same conspiracy that keeps NZ’s history hidden
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/93122299/a-northland-man-is-under-investigation-by-heritage-new-zealand-for-tampering-with-historic-burial-sites
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May 31, 2017 8:44am
- fernglas
  
  I await Hilliam´s scientifically impeccable justification for his theories, supported by pathologists from Edinburgh University and sound DNA analysis. Only then will those who scoff at his ideas see the error of their ways.
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:37am
  - KevOB
    
    Proof the Maori were there first: the remains were leftovers in hangi pits
    
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    May 31, 2017 11:11am
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns, all Noel Hilliman nuttery and BS !
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:38am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Why do you dislike us white folks so much, have we been mean to you in real life?
    Do we make you feel inferior?
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:44am
    - stephieboy
      
      Rachael Membery , the factual and evidential basis that you support Noel Hilliam ‘s fabulist nonsense ?
      
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      May 31, 2017 9:55am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Answer the question, not ask one.
        
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        May 31, 2017 10:44am
      - stephieboy
        
        Rachael Membery ,
        
        “Why do you dislike us white folks so much, have we been mean to you in real life?
        Do we make you feel inferior?”
        
        Whom are you referring to ?
        
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        May 31, 2017 10:47am
      - itstricky
        
        Why should he? He didn’t mention skin colour. You did.
        
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        May 31, 2017 10:47am
    - itstricky
      
      For all stephie’s faults, he is actually questioning the scientific credentials of the subject – not your skin colour. It seems illogical and random to attack him for such.
      
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      May 31, 2017 10:45am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        Leftoids abandons any pretense to be “on the side of science” when it comes to race and sex.
        
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        May 31, 2017 11:31am
      - 4077th
        
        @Jazz Hands
        
        You forgot to mention the climate!
        
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        May 31, 2017 12:47pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Hardly an attack
        
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        May 31, 2017 12:59pm
- itstricky
  
  Haven’t we done this one already?
  
  Wasn’t the toss up between whether it was:
  
  (a) A national wide conspiracy, keep under wraps by hundreds of archeologists and Government officials; or
  
  (b) A single, white nationalist (you said it yourself) disobeying the law and then telling porkies about a Scottish archeologist. An archeologist whom, purely incidentally, no one can trace, and who is supposedly is now dead only moments after telling said white nationalist this sensational secret.
  
  ?
  
  I know what odds I favour.
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:40am
  - JasonJohns
    
    Communist-controlled radio steps up attacks on white patriot who discovered lost civilisation:
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/331890/man-out-to-prove-maori-not-original-settlers-under-investigation
    
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    May 31, 2017 10:49am
  - JasonJohns
    
    ‘An archeologist whom, purely incidentally, no one can trace, and who is supposedly is now dead only moments after telling said white nationalist this sensational secret’
    
    And have you considered the possibility that this brave archaeologist was ‘taken out’ by people who don’t want us to know about NZ’s true past? If they can put Allan Titford in jail…
    
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    May 31, 2017 10:51am
    - itstricky
      
      this brave archaeologist was ‘taken out’ by people who don’t want us to know
      
      Conflicted now as to whether to give you an uptick for humour, or a downtick for delusions.
      
      Hmmm…
      
      I’ve settled on an uptick because I really think you need to get those anxiety levels down, and giving you downticks isn’t going to help that.
      
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      May 31, 2017 10:56am
      - JasonJohns
        
        John Ansell has reviewed the Allan Titford case and concluded that Titford is the victim of a huge conspiracy designed to cover up NZ’s past.
        
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        May 31, 2017 11:12am
      - fernglas
        
        I find JasonJohns one of our most hilarious commentators, with his parodies of altright thinking and his none too subtle digs at Titford, Hilliam and others. His comparison of Trump to Alexander the Great was not so subtle, but equally hilarious. Good satire is hard to find these days, and this is sublime stuff. He cracks me up
        
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        May 31, 2017 1:01pm
- G152
  
  Nutters get treated as nutters.
  Why pretend to be surprised
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:18am
  - JasonJohns
    
    White cowards
    
    https://www.facebook.com/TheHuiNZ/posts/622568354618896
    
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    May 31, 2017 11:41am
    - KevinH
      
      I have been fortunate to have visited Waipoua and Manganui Bluff to observe first hand the same hangi pits and burial caves that Noel Hilliam claims contain evidence of early celtic visitors.
      None of those allegations are true and are constructs of an over active imagination.
      The iwi living around Waipoua and Kaihu are fed up with the antics of grave robbers and amateur sleuths trespassing on their land to prove their outrageous theories and lies and will continue to enforce a moratorium excluding the public from further vandalising their sacred places.
      Their is no evidence of any mysterious race of people having lived there pre maori. There are however unmarked graves of europeans spread throughout the vicinity that date from the kauri logging era that contain the bones of europeans killed in logging accidents or having died from natural causes.
      
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      May 31, 2017 1:34pm
VicParking

Tried to listern to the America Cup commentary this morning. The commentaries are full of yachting jargon, then they spend minutes explaining what it means. Meanwhile NZ has gone from 200m behind to in front and we never find out why. We hear what “Oil” and “port” mean about three times per commentary. Why dont they just say “more effort” (oil) and right and left if they wont non yachting people to listern. PJ Montgomery is a great guy and a terrific rugby man but maybe this should be his last stint behind the microphone.
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May 31, 2017 8:44am
- MCos
  
  “The commentaries are full of yachting jargon”
  What were you expecting?
  Netball jargon?
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:53am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Yes – coverage is pretty shit in terms of clear explanations to the lay person.
  
  And the graphics are awful – what’s the point on putting tiny font grey figures against a grey blue sea to show the distance between the boats. TGI really are doing an appalling job compared to the slick on screen work of Kiwi Ian Taylor’s lot in previous races.
  
  The boats are science fiction amazing and the racing is thrilling. It’s just the quality of the commentary detracts a little bit from it – I have to say though I don’t miss the Peter Montgomery Shortland Street quality lines and faux excitement from the old ponce. It always struck me that he would have been better placed being one of those awful latin football commentators who thinks the pinacle of professionalism is to draw out a never-ending shriek of “GOOOOAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL” everytime a team scores.
  
  Somewhere in the middle in terms of professionalism and informing would be nice. But hey, at least the Kiwis are competitive and looking good for at least a run to the challenger finals.
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:59am
  - Paulus
    
    Who cares, the USA team cannot lose – if they were behind they would change the rules retrospectively.
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:03am
    - VicParking
      
      Or Team NZ will give them a couple of days to change their boat while they fly out their sponsors from NZ remember these dicks are still running Team NZ.
      
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      May 31, 2017 9:31am
- Reid
  
  He’s probably responding to requests from the management to explain things lest the audience don’t get it.
  
  The management of the failing brand that is.
  
  The same brand that has been broadcasting the sport for over thirty years now without such constant explanations ever till now and which I bet the audience has never expressed a desire for. But which is clearly run by fools so fucking dumb they think the audience needs something they’ve never had before. And what’s the bet the only thing the sychophants show the dummies in their reports are the odd comment expressing pleasure at such wondrous explanations, and completely ignore the tens of thousands of comments expressing the opposite, lest the almighty managers get an upside down smile after they learn what most people think of their stupid “initiative.”
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:06am
  - Kimbo
    
    Explanations work better on TV, hence Richie Benaud’s advice (and often long silences) “tell the viewer what they don’t know from looking at the screen”, but not on radio, where the commentator paints the pictures with words. Having a sidekick to add in technical detail as and when it is relevant is then useful.
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:36am
- GazzaW
  
  PJ is a well and truly signed up member of the Old Boys Club and should have been signed off totally when he finished doing the aftermatch rugby interviews for Sky.
  
  Peter Lester is the man for broadcasting yachting. Concise and appreciates the fact that 95% of us know next to nothing about sailing.
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:39am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  He’s good at filling the dead air, but awful to listen to calling a race.
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:23am
holysheet

The 91st Queens birthday honors list is just around the corner.

Arise Sir John Key?
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May 31, 2017 8:46am
- Lance
  
  The mass lemon sucking pucker from the far left will be hilarious
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:09am
- VicParking
  
  Dame hellin Clark.
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:34am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Sir Helen, still got bigger balls than anything in the current offering from the left
    
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    May 31, 2017 10:29am
- GazzaW
  
  I doubt he would accept one. I suspect that he’s a closet republican given his determination and reasoning behind changing the flag.
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:40am
  - Kimbo
    
    Don’t think so. He stayed with the Queen for a week. And brought back the royal honours system. Sure, Key plays his cards close to his chest on some issues, but I think, as with his approach to all political issues, he was/is a pragmatist, who judges that Monarchy is currently still the best system for us. The flag thing was about re-branding, not a major constitutional change (the warnings of some critics to the contrary).
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:41am
    - GazzaW
      
      Being a supporter of a constitutional monarchy I agree with most of what you say but I believe that he will support the royal family only until QE2 finally departs. He is as you say a pragmatist.
      
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      May 31, 2017 12:37pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Just a heads up – the YourNZ.co.nz site claims “any political views can be expressed.”

Pete George in fact heavily censors posts that pose a real threat to his ideological beliefs, and in an EXTREMELY manipulative way.

Mr George will heavily redact posts, leaving a minor fragment that he will then smugly “rebuff” in a desperate attempt to patch up his bruised ego, and appear to be the “winner” in front of his (dwindling) groupies.

The victim is denied any right of response.

Avoid.
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May 31, 2017 8:49am
- Reid
  
  The beige badger strikes again.
  
  Pathetic, isn’t he.
  
  He can’t even win an argument on his own blog without cheating.
  
  What a loser.
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:00am
  - EAD
    
    Indeed Reid,
    
    I once posted an article with a link from the Times of Israel that highlighted the hypocrisy of Israel taking zero African Refugees and forcing blood tests on prospective immigrants yet at the same time Jews in the West being extremely vociferous in their support for mass immigration into the West.
    
    Talk about chutzpah – PG is a free speech warrior only when he agrees with your opinion.
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:42am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD , you mentioned recently your visit to the Adelaide Institute .Tell us of your experiences and maybe comparing notes with the Institute ?
      
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      May 31, 2017 10:00am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      ” Jews in the West”
      
      Not just those Joos, even Israeli government organisations actively work to get more Mohammedans into Europe.
      
      Meanwhile Israeli builds walls and fences to “keep the wild beasts out” – and no he does not mean elephants and giraffes.
      
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      May 31, 2017 10:06am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Yep, just another example of a blog serving little more than a source of narcissistic supply for its owner.
    
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    May 31, 2017 10:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Have you thought of reposting over there under a different isp & pseudonym… something foreign like svintoks or Meles?
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:15am
rightoverlabour

This woman needs to get a life.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/93145225/when-we-gender-toys-we-hold-kids-back–thats-why-i-complained-to-mcdonalds

These gender nazis need to go and see a shrink.
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May 31, 2017 8:55am
- Longknives
  
  Why didn’t ‘Imogene Louise’ simply ask McDonalds for a ‘Boy’s toy?
  The spotty kid working the Drive-Through isn’t going to give a shit..
  *It’s almost as if she is an activist-type looking for something to run shrieking and wailing to the Media about! Surely not?..
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:59am
  - RalphT
    
    “Why didn’t ‘Imogene Louise’ simply ask McDonalds for a ‘Boy’s toy?”
    
    Perhaps she was worried they might think she was asking for a toy boy?
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:13am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      And Stephen Joyce got the last girls toy on offer . . . .
      
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      May 31, 2017 10:31am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  The emperor is wearing no clothes on pretty much every important issue in society these days.
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:01am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Its toxic stuff alright, but it is only going to get worse, its penetrated the mainstream culture.
  
  Average rightwinger is a possum staring into car headlights when it comes to this Cultural Marxist agitprop.
  
  Just look at Bill English’s response to the genderless phag school uniform policy being peddled by that teachers association – he just acted all “Oh God please don’t call me sexist” bemused.
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:04am
- MCos
  
  The woman says in this opinion piece in response to a FB entry on a McDonalds page that attracted 3500 comments “To think so many people are upset about a small attempt at trying to make our society more inclusive saddens me.”
  I agree.
  Why do people get so wound up about such a minor issue?
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:03am
  - starboard
    
    Thin end of the wedge…which is getting fatter.
    
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    May 31, 2017 12:37pm
Reid

The evil Pentagram is arming Kurdish forces so that, it says, they can destroy ISIS forces in Raqqa, Syria.

Naturally, the evil ISIS supported of course by the evil Pentagram, is hastily evacuating to Palmyra using a corridor provided by the Kurds.

Sadly for the forces of darkness, the Russians have had enough and its forces are destroying ISIS along the corridor, as you read this. Hooray!

So fucking hell, who amongst us here is dumb enough to continue to believe the US isn’t supporting ISIS and who amongst us here is dumb enough to believe the Russians aren’t (as they have always been) intent on destroying this evil? (Plenty on here believe precisely that, I suspect is the answer.)

Here’s a link to some real media, not the fake news the sadly deluded lap up and regurgitate, day after day after day.

https://www.rt.com/usa/390232-us-arms-kurdish-islamic-state-raqqa/
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May 31, 2017 8:57am
- jms
  
  The Kurds are the only ones who have consistently fought ISIS.
  Assad and Russia have been playing a double game for years.
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:27am
  - Reid
    
    Bullshit. You’ve been lapping up fake news if you believe that. Why the fuck would Assad have any truck whatsoever with helping forces who are trying to destroy him? If you believe that you are fucking mental. And Russia has a lot of strategic interests at stake in not letting Syria fall, so the arguments against it helping ISIS are the same.
    
    I do realise fake news alleges both those parties have been doing so. This is because fake news has to come up with some fucking explanation because even the morons who listen to it don’t believe ISIS just suddenly appeared magically out of the shifting sands of the desert. But anyone who believes fake news when they float such palpable bollocks understands precisely zero about everything, including geopolitics.
    
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    May 31, 2017 11:20am
- VicParking
  
  The USA has a history of kicking out the bad guy and installing someone who is just as bad. Got to keep the Arms industry ticking over.
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:38am
  - Reid
    
    And got to keep Israel happy, which is the other reason why the US supports the terrorist Sunnis. It’s a proxy war using Sunni states to train, supply and command ISIS in order to destroy Iran and Syria, because that’s what the West wants, because that’s what Israel wants.
    
    And the media portray it the other way round because if the sheeple knew what their tax dollars were responsible for in the ME they’d stop it in a heartbeat.
    
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    May 31, 2017 1:34pm
- Ed Snack
  
  RT, real news ?
  
  Can I have some of what you’re smoking as it seems to be pretty good.
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:57am
  - Reid
    
    Why don’t you actually look at it Ed and compare it anything in the West. Or would that cause too much dissonance in the cognitive area?
    
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    May 31, 2017 11:21am
    - Ed Snack
      
      I’ve read RT along with most news sources. It seems to hew pretty closely to the Kremlin line, which is not surprising.
      
      If you want to believe what you are told by a government, go ahead, just not sure why you’d trust Putin and his cronies ahead of anyone else.
      
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      May 31, 2017 11:37am
- Ed Snack
  
  I wonder if we’ll ever get any news on what should be the political story and scandal of the year if not decade.
  
  The Obama administration used the NSA and other spy organisations to snoop on US citizens in direct contravention of the 4th amendment and various federal laws. It did so especially in regard to the Trump campaign (but also other republicans) and fed this information to other domestic organizations including the Democrat Party and the Clinton campaign.
  
  Search for and find the recent FISA court releases and it’s serious rebuke of the previous administration and how it and the agencies it directed deliberately mislead and lied to the FISA court to gain extra access to domestic intelligence.
  
  But I suppose as far as the media is concerned, it’s OK when “they” do it.
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:22am
  - Kimbo
    
    “When the President does it, it is not illegal”.
    
    Then-ex President Richard M Nixon in 1978 in the course of the interviews by David Frost. Although the matter to which he was referring – the proposed but not-enacted Huston Plan – concerned national security, and not in any direct way connected to Watergate and the wider-activities of the Plumbers, nor was not subject to any prosecutions, despite being the subject of Congressional investigation.
    
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    May 31, 2017 11:25am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Kimbo, I believe that the President can unilaterally declare information to be declassified and release it in general but I’m not sure if that is the case here. The issue is the illegal surveillance of US Citizens not classified information as such. Otherwise it would be legal for the president to order the CIA to spy domestically, which Nixon tried but was unable to do.
      
      That’s, BTW, why Trump can legally release what was classified information to the Russian ambassador (if he did, we have a lot of froth but nothing concrete) it is perfectly legal. Not necessarily wise or clever (and not necessarily NOT wise or clever either) and possibly may damage a third parties intelligence gathering assets, but illegal by US law, no.
      
      And as Susan Rice (and Brennan) were part of this illegality it is going to be hard to exempt Obama given that they reported directly to him and Brennan has stated publicly that he conveyed some of this information to the administration and to Obama personally.
      
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      May 31, 2017 12:00pm
      - Kimbo
        
        it is going to be hard to exempt Obama
        
        As per below, nope. Due to “plausible deniability”, you’ve to produce the “smoking gun” in the hands of the POTUS. Is what saved the Reagan Presidency with Irangate, and also the Clinton Presidency when he was impeached.
        
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        May 31, 2017 12:56pm
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    But as per the post and Breitbart link about that topic that was made yesterday (by DifferentPerspective as I recall)…you are referring to “the Obama Administration”. Yeah, ok so that includes every federal law enforcement official and clerk in the FBI, DEA, Homeland security, ATFE, etc from 2009-2017
    
    and not, as per the doctrine of “plausible deniability” the then-POTUS? Unless they can place a “smoking gun” in Barry’s hand?
    
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    May 31, 2017 11:36am
B.L.Zeebub

The capacity for self-delusion knows no bounds,
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11866294

There is a saying along the lines of ,if you are not a socialist in your 20s you have no heart, if you are still a socialist in your 40s you have no brain.

And of course there is the old tried and true, a fool and his money is soon parted.
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May 31, 2017 8:59am
- Reid
  
  Not sure if it’s still the case but it used to be that Judges not only get massive 6 figure pensions but they are also tax free. Because of judicial independance was the argument back in the 80’s, since judges have to rule against the Crown and taxing a pension is a potential coercive measure. I may be wrong but I think that was the rule back then.
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:16am
  - artemisia
    
    I’m not 100% sure either but I think back in the 90s the GSF calculation was changed to Taxed / Tax Exempt. So taxed at source (income tax) but paid tax free. Payments adjusted accordingly at the time.
    
    Since then changes to tax rates and thresholds have changed to the detriment of GSF recipients.
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:30am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Based on his opinion that Labour are in a position to win the next election, I would seriously consider the need to review all of his judicial decisions and opinions.
  Either that or dementia has finally set in. Can his family claw back the funds on the grounds that he may not have been mentally competent at the time?
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:40am
  - MCos
    
    “I would seriously consider the need to review all of his judicial decisions and opinions.”
    Go for it.
    Note that he’s been retired for twenty years.
    
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    May 31, 2017 1:56pm
artemisia

I’ve been pondering Mr Robertson’s Budget comments on last weekend’s Q+A. He said NZ has the fourth lowest productivity in the OECD but the Budget did not include anything to address that. Specifically no mention of capital, skills for the ‘future of work’ and increased R&D investment.

The way the world is moving, productivity is going to achieve huge boosts from the first and the third, particularly capital driven efficiencies from various forms of automation.

At the same time Mr Robertson said Labour would lower unemployment to 4%.

I’m having trouble reconciling increased productivity with 4% unemployment.

Can anyone help my understanding?
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May 31, 2017 9:07am
- VicParking
  
  no explaining needed when the Left do it
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:40am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Just as well you weren’t pondering Labour’s post-Budget appearance on The Nation. That’s because Labour was a no-show.
  
  I still can’t get my head around that. Labour generally gets fair treatment from Lisa Owen, so why would they turn down a free hit on the Government less than four months out from the election? Labour’s no-show has no sensible explanation.
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:27am
Happychappy

You have to laugh at Andrew Little and one of his responses on the Budget, ” National had nine months to put this Budget together and you want Labours Budget response now ” we will take as much time that is needed to produce a alternative Budget that will address the needs of the less unforunate in NZ. Little seems to forget that this is what happens when you are the elected Government of NZ and Helen Clark gave National the same predicament over intrest free student loans when they were the Government so stop whinging and get on to the job and why you are paid the largest salary in Labour.
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May 31, 2017 9:10am
- VicParking
  
  Hes admitting that Labour has no ideas and that the only policy they can think of will be something that is different/opposite to what National put up
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:43am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  It’s easy for them to do a budget:
  * Whatever National are handing out, hand out more
  * Increase tax on those that are tax positive
  * Propose the opposite of everything else that National are planning.
  
  There you go, take a couple of hours to tweak the wording and you have the new Labour budget
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:43am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Even the less unfortunate are fortunate in NZ
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:26am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Labour have already done all that Dafix within five minutes of the budget announcements.
    
    We are not seeing the results because the ‘alternative budget’ will be crap and labour want to give the impression that what they present is a considered response and not just caucus circle handjerk which is what it undoubtedly is.
    
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    May 31, 2017 1:09pm
Manolo

A White House shake-up:
https://www.axios.com/scoop-trumps-comms-director-leaving-white-house-2426616450.html
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May 31, 2017 9:14am
stephieboy

The al right Conspiracy nuttery band plays on and on ,

“ How the murder of a DNC staffer turned into a right-wing conspiracy”

The story goes through nearly everyone in right-wing media: Sean Hannity, Roger Stone, Louise Mensch and more

“ It started with a late night walk on July 10, 2016. Seth Rich was talking with his girlfriend while walking through the Bloomingdale neighborhood of Washington, D.C., when there was some sort of altercation. Rich was shot multiple times and died shortly thereafter.

Nearly a year later, his death has become a cause célèbre among right-wing media and the fringiest elements of pro-Trump media, simply because he worked as a staffer for the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

The conspiracy theories started immediately. The day after Rich was killed, a Twitter user connected the murder with a lawsuit filed by Bernie Sanders supporters against the DNC. (This lawsuit would later be the subject of right-wing conspiracy theories after the death of a process server that the coroner would later conclude was caused by accidental polypharmacy, or a combination of drugs.)
The first right-wing version of the conspiracy theory was about confirming right-wing allegations against the Clinton Foundation. On July 13, conspiracy theory website WhatDoesItMean.com (previously cited by pro-Trump media) ran a piece, sourced to the Kremlin, claiming that Rich thought he was on his way to meet with the FBI about the Clinton Foundation when a “hit team” put in place by the Clintons killed him. The article also linked the conspiracy theory with two Russian diplomats who were expelled by the United States two days before Rich’s murder, and it concluded by claiming the hit team was captured on July 12 in Washington, D.C. The actual police events of July 12 had nothing to do with any of this. On July 14, Snopes debunked this conspiracy theory…”

http://www.salon.com/2017/05/27/how-the-murder-of-a-dnc-staffer-turned-into-a-right-wing-conspiracy_partner/
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May 31, 2017 9:41am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Salon is a Globohomo agitprop rag.
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:03am
- Ed Snack
  
  Rich was shot twice, in the back, and was alive and able to communicate when he was brought into the hospital. He died later that night, a couple of hours after being shot I believe.
  
  Botched robbery is the official explanation, no suspects named or apprehended, and no progress at all on the case was made. Rich did have some minor physical injuries (scrapes etc) that suggest a struggle. He was not robbed and his phone was not taken.
  
  Correct explanation a botched robbery ? Maybe, there were a lot of armed robberies at the time, few actual shootings and the robberies were basically successful (things were taken); but maybe if Rich resisted and was shot as a result the assailant(s) thought it best to scarper immediately and not to take anything as that could provide a link.
  
  But really, who knows, the penchant for secrecy just generates conspiracies. Be useful to have an independent look at the available information including Rich’s laptop, phone, and what his girlfriend’s facebook post really said.
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:05am
  - stephieboy
    
    Ed Snack , another Clinton body notched up and a variation on the Pizzagate fantasy ?
    
    ” And Snopes is no longer a reliable and impartial myth buster”
    
    Why ?
    
    BTW my link was from Salon .com
    
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    May 31, 2017 10:43am
    - Ed Snack
      
      I suggest you read the post first stephieboy. I make no claim on whether Rich was murdered to order or just killed in a robbery that “went wrong”.
      
      My point is that one thing that makes these sort of conspiracies fester is that quite a lot of information is withheld allowing people to readily speculate on what and why.
      
      I do think it unlikely that Wikileaks (or the thoroughly unreliable KDC for that matter) have any direct evidence of contact with Seth Rich ; if there was any it would have been released by now. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t in contact, just that if he was it was via a cut-out, which would be the serious way to do it.
      
      Unlike some, I don’t think the lack of anything being taken is strong evidence for it being an assassination. Murder is a different class of offending from robbery and if your robbery goes wrong and you do shoot the intended victim, apparently fatally, a robber might well decide that discretion is the better part of valour as they say, and get the hell out – there’s always new marks to rob.
      
      The only interesting newish development is that his then girlfriend appears to have put up a post on facebook strongly suggesting that Rich was onto a voting scam to promote Clinton and that he planned to reveal it. She now denies that post but screen caps and other information exist of it. Doesn’t mean she is/was right, but interesting, and if Rich *was* murdered for political reasons, a very unsafe opinion to have.
      
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      May 31, 2017 11:12am
      - stephieboy
        
        Ed Snack , this new development with fb post by Seth Rich’s girl friend ?
        
        Tell us more ?
        
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        May 31, 2017 11:32am
- Inandout
  
  Amazing that nothing was robbed after Seth was shot, like someone just shot him for no reason, ‘after some sort of altercation’.
  
  And Snopes is no longer a reliable and impartial myth buster.
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:12am
Dave_1924

Something for Phil Twyford to amuse himself with this morning… enjoy Phil, I am sure you will rip through this one….

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/puzzles-games/wordsearch.cfm?c_id=1500944
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May 31, 2017 9:42am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Great find Dave!
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:55am
  - Dave_1924
    
    I thought it would make you chuckle over your morning coffee KS….
    
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    May 31, 2017 10:04am
- 4077th
  
  I can’t usually be bothered with Twitter but thought this was more than worthy of a Tweet to the Twit of Twatford.
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:43am
Happychappy

Wasn’t it two weeks ago Winston First was calling out National for the slowness and the plan on Kaikoura infrastructure. Now that rail is now about to reopen not one word of his vote catching lies has been exposed by our not so facial media. this passed his use by date politician should be made to face up to his lies and opoligise to the workers in Kaikoura.
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May 31, 2017 9:53am
- Paulus
  
  As the Media cannot really back Angry and his children they will use the promotion of Winston to the electorate.
  Same tactics as before but different people.
  
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  May 31, 2017 1:28pm
Keeping Stock

Herr Schmitz (aka Dotcom) has graciously offered to travel to the USA, on his terms, of course:

Alleged criminal Kim Dotcom has offered to travel to the United States – if his conditions are met.

His solicitors in New Zealand have sent a letter to Robert Mueller – the Special Counsel appointed to investigate interference with the 2016 United States presidential election – offering Dotcom’s aid in the investigation.

However, as the US is seeking Dotcom’s extradition to face trial, they want to make sure he is allowed to return.

“Mr Dotcom has evidence that he considers relevant to the Investigation,” the letter reads.

“He is concerned that, should he travel to the United States voluntarily, he would be arrested and detained in custody on the current counts on which he has been indicted.”

His solicitors offer the following deal to Mr Mueller:

“Accordingly, for Mr Dotcom to attend in person in the United States to make a statement, and/or give oral evidence at any subsequent hearing, special arrangements would need to be discussed and agreed between all relevant parties,” the letter reads.

“Such arrangements would need to include arrangements for his safe passage from New Zealand and return.”

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2017/05/kim-dotcom-offers-to-travel-to-united-states.html

I say let him go, then whilst he is airborne the US authorities can have a change of heart and arrest him on arrival.

Not only would the fallout here be hilarious, but then he could spend years fighting against the American legal system instead of ours!
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May 31, 2017 9:53am
- waikatogirl
  
  Let dotcom fly to the States and try to pull one over the FBI investigators. I’d love to be a fly on the wall watching them take his narcissistic driven argument apart. ?
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:11am
cas

It would be great to get through a morning on National Radio without another survey of the bleeding obvious or a report that it’s the Government’s fault and the Government has to do something about ……….. Fill in the gaps
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May 31, 2017 10:03am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  If that was the case, there would be an awful lot of musical interludes and 30 minutes of afb (another fucking bird) before the news rather than 30 seconds
  
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  May 31, 2017 1:13pm
Biscuit

What planet is Angry Andy living on?

After the Budget, he was on about ‘dollar bills’…

Dollar bills are l-o-n-g extinct…

Today, AA can’t promise there’ll be no tax hikes because his party ‘won’t bank cheques we can’t cash’.

Wtf is one of them cheque things when it’s at home?
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May 31, 2017 10:27am
- G152
  
  He was desperately trying to make a phrase that involved Bill English’s name as some sort of electoral point score
  Dollar (self explanatory) Bill.
  Trouble with it is that we’ve had no dollar bills for so long they’re almost forgotten
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:32am
- Paulus
  
  Why has the decision by the jury in the Hagaman case where Angry was found Guilty of Defamation not been before the Court for a penalty.
  Who is delaying this – the Justice Department ?- it is irrespective of the death of Hagaman which is irrelevant.
  Justice has not been seen to be done.
  
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  May 31, 2017 1:32pm
Dafixeruppa

For the first time in my life, I received a call last night from the Roy Morgan polls, with an offer to participate…
At first I thought it was a scam, but then they started asking political and social questions…
I was impressed at the breadth of their questions, just not with the fact that “only a few minutes of your time” became more than half an hour.
Now I understand why the results are skewed towards the responses of old people and unemployed/unemployable people with a smattering of academics that don’t actually do any work anyway
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May 31, 2017 10:47am
- Biscuit
  
  Congrats, Dafixeruppa…
  
  My ‘Bucket List’ is the predictable mix 0f exotic travel and massive Lotto wins but ‘Being Polled By An NZ Polling Outfit’ is up there, too!
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:55am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Umm, this call came from Australia, they hire Aussies to do the calling.
    I guess that is because they are behind us (Time not ability…. oh umm) and they can pay daytime rates for them to call us at night
    
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    May 31, 2017 3:31pm
- Kimbo
  
  Did they call you around dinner time, just as you were attempting to deglaze your Dutch Oven while cooking boeuf bourguignon? Maybe it is just me but it’s always at the worst possible time! 😉
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:05am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Admit it Kimbo, what really happened was that you burnt the snags and boiled the spuds to a mush !
    
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    May 31, 2017 11:14am
    - Kimbo
      
      Admit it Kimbo, what really happened was that you ~~burnt~~ caramelised the ~~snags~~ pork and fennel sausages and boiled the ~~spuds~~ Peruvian sweet potatoes to a ~~mush~~ mash !
      
      Fixed that for ya, with appropriate Foodie slut snobbery 😉
      
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      May 31, 2017 11:21am
  - Biscuit
    
    ‘Dutch oven’, to me, has connotations that Kimbo, bless him, might not be aware of!
    
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    May 31, 2017 11:44am
    - Kimbo
      
      http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dutch%20oven&page=5
      
      Thank you, Biscuit. I learned something today…
      
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      May 31, 2017 11:51am
      - Biscuit
        
        Happy to oblige, Kimbo.
        
        I try to learn something new every day!
        
        Off to lunch!
        
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        May 31, 2017 11:58am
    - starboard
      
      yes, I also was intrigued about ‘ deglazing’ dutch overns..
      
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      May 31, 2017 1:09pm
- MCos
  
  Which one are you?
  
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  May 31, 2017 1:03pm
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    At that time of night, I’m going with the unemployable.
    After 5pm my brain ceases to function…
    That’s why I do all my posting on here during the day…
    Oh wait, that probably implies that my brain doesn’t function any time…
    Oh well at least I can make fun of myself with a smile
    
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    May 31, 2017 3:34pm
SPC

You.gov poll of constituency voting in the UK indicates Tories might lose seats and Labour gain some – with the possibility the Tories will need a coalition partner to govern.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11866622
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May 31, 2017 11:09am
SPC

Pressure on Trump to release his tax returns grows.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11866608
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May 31, 2017 11:10am
- Ed Snack
  
  Funnily enough, when one was released (a crime, btw), it showed that not only did he a lot that year ($100M +) but also paid a load of tax. I doubt that there’s any really startling revelations in his returns.
  
  I wonder if we’ll ever get to see Obama’s school, college, and University records now, they’re sealed by executive order, something Trump can undo just as easily.
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:17am
  - MCos
    
    Trump wouldn’t dare, for the blatantly obviously reasons. First of all there’s probably nothing to see, but more obviously the pressure to release his own tax records would only crank up.
    Why doesn’t Obama release his academic records?
    I don’t know, but if he did where would it end? Next minute someone would want him to release his grundies to see if there were any skid marks.
    
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    May 31, 2017 1:17pm
calendar girl

In the week following Manchester’s terrorist bombing, many of us may have hoped that our Police and armed forces are honing their intelligence and enforcement processes to foil (or contain) a similar atrocity in this country. Such an attack one day is almost inevitable, even if the timing is unpredictable.

So what is the New Zealand Defence Force up to? http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE1705/S00195/nz-defence-force-to-be-the-worlds-first-smokefree-military.htm

The New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) announced today that they will go smokefree by 2020.

The announcement call was made at an event in Parliament hosted by ASH New Zealand to mark World Smokefree Day. Commander Karen Ward said; “By undertaking a conscious drive to create a smokefree force, the NZDF will also be setting a benchmark for other defence forces by becoming the first military to become smokefree.’’

Isn’t it wonderful that Commander Karen Ward doesn’t have any real military challenges to deal with?
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May 31, 2017 11:13am
- stephieboy
  
  I would of thought that our Security servives and NZDF would not be waving around and making obvious their state of prepardness !
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:35am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Don’t worry, the immigration service is on the case!
  
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  May 31, 2017 12:07pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  The rise of females up the congenitally diseased technocratic managerial structures of Western Civilisation is to be expected.
  
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  May 31, 2017 12:08pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Keep women under house arrest ?
    
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    May 31, 2017 1:18pm
    - holysheet
      
      Why the question?
      I thought it was standard practice for you weirdo mussies to keep your wives locked away from public view. Are you now saying you don’t?
      
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      May 31, 2017 1:42pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Lets hope our defense forces are not required for anything major while all those cranky ex-smokers are going through withdrawal, or will they be stood down until the worst of their symptoms have passed.
  
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  May 31, 2017 1:11pm
JasonJohns

Snowflake alert: some people can’t stand it that victorious Trump ally has a balanced view of slavery
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/greg-gianforte-douglas-wilson-montana_us_57d19d76e4b03d2d45991adc
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May 31, 2017 11:16am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Next time you need to shut a phag up trying to white shame you by whining about negro slavery:
  
  1. Islam enslaved over a million white people when they invaded and occupied parts of Europe, trading our white women as sex slaves. This would have been a lot worse if White Nationalists didn’t successfully beat back the brown barbarians from the gates of their ethno-religious states.
  
  2. Negroes were sold off by their own leaders on the global markets.
  
  3. Whites abolished slavery.
  
  4. Negroes/Mohammedans continue the practice of slavery in some parts of the interior of their tribal homelands.
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:47am
Fletch

An aging TV personality has a photo of herself taken with the severed head of Trump – blood pouring down it.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/16998/disgusting-kathy-griffin-holds-trumps-bloody-hank-berrien

If this were a conservative holding Obama’s head there’d be hell to pay, but because it’s Trump a CNN panel brushes it off because “there are bigger issues to focus on”.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/05/30/cnn-panel-think-weve-got-much-bigger-issues-focus-kathy-griffin/

There’s no disguising the hate these people have for Trump now. Total derangement.
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May 31, 2017 11:29am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Its all good mate, we WANT the Progressive media whores to do heaps more of that, it only wakes up more white people to the Globohomos antiwhite hatred.
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:34am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  LOL, looks as if that Democreep whore had one more face lift she would be wearing a beard.
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:37am
- cha
  
  Total derangement.
  
  Of course there were never any mock lynchings and Teddy ‘jailbait’ Nugent didn’t publicly express his desire to kill.
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  May 31, 2017 11:41am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    You got nothing there. We are talking gaystream media celebrity types.
    
    And these are the ones mincing around blathering on about Luvvv vs Haaaate.
    
    The pic of that dehydrated polyfilled media whore’s face illustrates perfectly how hollow and degenerate a civilsation becomes suffering decades of Progressivism.
    
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    May 31, 2017 11:57am
    - cha
      
      We are talking gaystream media celebrity types.
      
      Who is Kathy Griffin?.
      
      Did Peter divorce Lois or is she Peter’s mad cat lady sister?.
      
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      May 31, 2017 12:04pm
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        “Who is Kathy Griffin?. ”
        
        Someone with 2+ million Twitter followers.
        
        She is doing some fast talking right now, lots of apologies and grovelling.
        
        I’m getting sick of that sh1t on the Right or Left, they crumple with the first sign of online outrage.
        
        You will get more respect from everyone if you stand by what you said (and obviously meant) and demonstrate you aren’t scared of some screeching dildo media mob.
        
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        May 31, 2017 1:36pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        She was once an American comedian.
        
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        May 31, 2017 2:26pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I feel in Griffin’s case, I have permission to snigger at mental illness.
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:44am
  - stephieboy
    
    Rich Prick , as a disciple of Donald Trump you’ve come a long , long way .
    
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    May 31, 2017 1:29pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Oh I have so much further to go before I can claim to be even close to His Greatness.
      
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      May 31, 2017 2:02pm
Manolo

Imagine the outrage if this were done to the messiah:
http://www.nbcwashington.com/entertainment/entertainment-news/Kathy-Griffin-Under-Fire-for-Bloody-Decapitated-Trump-Image-425364714.html
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May 31, 2017 11:32am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  American Civil War 2.0
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:39am
  - Kea
    
    The war has started. Obama openly supported groups who’s members demanded the killing of whites. He appointed someone as a race ambassador after he was filmed demanding crackers and cops be killed.
    
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/08/us/philando-castile-alton-sterling-protests/
    
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    May 31, 2017 12:24pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Kea , typically you missed out the evidence and facts. Another try !
      
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      May 31, 2017 1:19pm
- Dany
  
  I personally thank Kathy for her contribution to derangement awareness.
  
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  May 31, 2017 1:33pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Caliphate Kathy has just learned that actions have consequences.
  
  http://www.altwavemedia.com/breaking-route-66-casino-cancels-kathy-griffin-performance/
  
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  May 31, 2017 3:36pm
Captain Mainwaring

More news from the lovely place that is Pakistan:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11866690

When Stephie’s hunger pangs wake him up he will no doubt be here defending this barbarism.
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May 31, 2017 11:58am
- Kea
  
  Disgusting. Must have been Christians no doubt.
  
  (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
  
  If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
  
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  May 31, 2017 12:21pm
  - mandk
    
    Poor attempt at besmirching, Kea.
    
    This is the Christian response:
    
    “So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” (John 8:7, KJV)
    
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    May 31, 2017 1:44pm
    - Kea
      
      No Jesus said the old laws still apply. There is a special place in Hell for those represent the word.
      
      The Christian bible is the most murderous, dark and revolting piece of fiction ever written.
      
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      May 31, 2017 5:43pm
krazykiwi

“Coming up on mid-day report … and we’ll hear about a new initiative to help young Maori to get their drivers’ licences and passports”

Perhaps the geniuses behind this initiative could add some material on why Maori are special, different, and incapable of doing these basic tasks themselves. Because that’s the message that’s being subtly pushed.
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May 31, 2017 12:08pm
- Reid
  
  It’s standard cultural marxism kk.
  
  In classical marxism it was the working class against the owners of capital. In cultural marxism the working class has been replaced by “minorities.”
  
  Because marxism is essentially about changing social constructs (i.e. social engineering), this means the “oppressors” of the “minorities” must be challenged and beaten at every turn.
  
  It doesn’t matter what institution it is, it must be challenged and destroyed. Institutions include gender, sexual orientation, religion, the family unit and culture.
  
  So where ever there is a minority amongst any of those institutions, there is an oppressing force that must be destroyed.
  
  This is why we get all of the bollocks we do, from taking down statues to genderless toilets to the above.
  
  And notice that the govt isn’t challenging it. Any of it. Anywhere.
  
  It’s not just a left thing, in other words. Although leftists are its proponents, the so called conservatives in positions of authority and with a voice in the media, who could challenge it, don’t. Do they.
  
  Ever.
  
  Interesting, isn’t it.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg3T_H2LZ54
  
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  May 31, 2017 12:30pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid , I think this sums up the consensus about the Video,
    
    Underground906
    Underground906 5 months ago
    The sad thing is, there is no cohesive, rational, influencial, unified movement to reverse its highly successful ‘long march through the institutions’. Which is only getting stronger.
    
    “Subversive Jewish ideology of self-survival. Willing to destroy all that was great about Western society to acheive their aims and makes things right for them. The greatest and most powerful act of cultural desecration ever.
    
    I think it’s irreversible. Victimhood is power. And those who claim they are victims aren’t going to give that and just get real. The opposite...”
    
    You see its all the Jooz fault !
    
    Agree ?
    
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    May 31, 2017 1:34pm
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Joos are certainly center and front in the Leftoid camp.
      
      Agree?
      
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      May 31, 2017 1:44pm
      - stephieboy
        
        No !
        
        Note 4 Jews are members of Trump’s inner circle ( Cabinet )
        
        Ok by you ?
        
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        May 31, 2017 1:53pm
- Kea
  
  Maori are smart and resourceful people who are very capable of doing it themselves.
  
  What is holding Maori back are smug white pricks patronising Maori and instilling a victim culture. They are using Maori to advance their marxist agenda of class revolution, in the same
  
  In short – this has nothing to do with improving outcomes for Maori. They want them on the bottom and angry. Its the marxist way.
  
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  May 31, 2017 12:32pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Take a look around the South Pacific, anywhere that doesn’t have white people is a Third World dump.
    
    I say give Maori their own state – then sit back with a bowl of popcorn and watch the tribes genocide each other.
    
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    May 31, 2017 1:17pm
    - MCos
      
      The Maoris did have their own country once, as you should know.
      They didn’t kill each other off, but numbers did decline after Europeans arrived.
      Much the same story all round the South Pacific.
      The poor buggers in Australia seem to have gained very little since the British Invasion.
      
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      May 31, 2017 2:14pm
      - Jack5
        
        MCos – you say Maori “didn’t kill each other off”.
        
        Tribal warfare was rampant.
        
        Do you have any figures on the decline of Maori after contact with the outside world? It would be surprising if the population didn’t fall given the arrival of diseases to which local immunity was low or absent, and given the adoption of firearms for tribal conflict.
        
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        May 31, 2017 2:23pm
      - MCos
        
        http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/taupori-maori-maori-population-change/page-1
        
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        May 31, 2017 4:38pm
      - Kea
        
        MCos, Maori numbers are higher now than at any time in history. When the Europeans arrived Maori were on the decline and had hunted some food sources to total extinction.
        
        Europeans saved Maori and the fauna of NZ. Maori should thank them, just as their ancestors did. Unlike the uppity shits today. A situation I blame people like you, not the average Maori in the street.
        
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        May 31, 2017 5:48pm
      - MCos
        
        Chap above was suggesting that left to themselves Maori would ‘genocide each other’. I took that to mean they would kill each other to extinction. Clearly an absurd statement.
        Prior to the arrival of Tasman & Cook they may well have fought among each other & life expectancy was very short. However the population increased.
        Left to themselves live would have continued. The introduction of desease & guns clearly didn’t do much good.
        
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        May 31, 2017 5:58pm
      - MCos
        
        What exactly are you blaming me for?
        
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        May 31, 2017 6:23pm
      - Kea
        
        Channeling Jared Diamond I see.
        
        Interesting book, but do you know he was caught faking his findings, in other work, to support his anti white narrative ?
        
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        May 31, 2017 6:25pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    They could take master-classes in victimology with their experience
    
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    May 31, 2017 1:19pm
  - Reid
    
    That’s the bastard thing about it. The pricks don’t even understand all humans are tremendously capable creatures and what you should be doing is unleashing that potential by education and confidence building and giving them incentives to get things done themselves. If you do everything for them with this fucking stupid wrap-around concept idiot Bennet promotes then learned helplessness is the order of the day and things just head south even more, not just for us who have to pay for the bollocks but for those on the receiving end as well. It’s so simple – human nature 101 – a child could work it out, yet none of the adults who work in the social service industries or in the relevant bureacracies evidently can.
    
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    May 31, 2017 1:27pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    I call the ‘milky bars’ Kea. Some are 20000000000bytes away from their original Moari.
    Just as I am from my Northern hemisphere ancestry, some African black, and some Sth Africa Afrikaan.
    They choose who is giving out the most
    
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    May 31, 2017 6:44pm
    - Kea
      
      Yes indeed. I overlooked that detail for arguments sake 😉
      
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      May 31, 2017 7:55pm
Jack5

More inaction from the inept Minister of Immigration, Michael Woodhouse.

A woman pleads from help to guard her from a refugee, and nothing happens.

She also appealed to the Refugee Council of NZ. It wouldn’t be of any use to an NZ citizen seeking protection from a refugee. This is the organisation whose late secretary, Kailesh Thanabalasingham, may or may not have been the Kailesh Thanabalasingham deported from Canada for his alleged part in ethnic gang violence.

The council, the Government in general, Woodhouse in particular, and the Immigration Department have never revealed what they knew about the council’s Kailesh Thanabalasingham .

Auckland woman hounded by refugee:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11866718
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May 31, 2017 12:22pm
- calendar girl
  
  The Immigration Department under its present Minister, Michael Woodhouse, is a serious worry.
  
  This woman had taken out a formal protection order against a refugee who proceeded to abuse her. What divine right did Immigration have to deny her wish to withdraw her personal immigration sponsorship of the abusive applicant?
  
  Does Immigration NZ choose to take no notice of Police protection orders in its efforts to get more people into the country, regardless of their character? Does it not want to know about the criminal or anti-social behaviour of potential NZ visa or passport applicants?
  
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  May 31, 2017 1:09pm
  - starboard
    
    :: Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari must go ::
    
    Convicted kiddy fiddler and sexual deviant imported from some shithole ending in ‘stan, must go NOW.
    NZ doesn’t need him nor want him or his sort.
    
    ” Woodhouse ” !!!!!!
    
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    May 31, 2017 1:19pm
    - simpleton1
      
      Finally meeting his staff.
      
      10:58 am today
      In reinstating INZ’s powers, Mr Woodhouse ordered staff to advise him if they intended to let someone stay in the country after being convicted of a serious or sexual assault.
      
      “In order to strengthen the integrity of the process and ensure that the Minister of Immigration is adequately informed about cases with certain risk factors, the Minister has decided to make an adjustment to the process,” a spokeswoman said.
      
      Mr Woodhouse would now also meet with officials every three months to discuss their approach to such cases.
      
      In a letter to Immigration New Zealand, Mr Woodhouse asked for a formal briefing on whether the Akbari deportation decision could be reviewed.
      
      A spokeswoman today said there was no legal ability for the deportation case to be reopened. http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/331979/immigration-nz-will-not-review-sex-offender-decision
      
      The next decision will be on his fully on Minister Woodhouse’s head.
      
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      May 31, 2017 1:32pm
      - calendar girl
        
        “….. Mr Woodhouse ordered staff to advise him if they intended to let someone stay in the country after being convicted of a serious or sexual assault.”
        
        Why only after conviction of “a serious or sexual assault”, Mr Woodhouse? How about any criminal offence for which the offender could be sentenced to a prison term?
        
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        May 31, 2017 3:47pm
    - starboard
      
      On my last night in Bangkok before heading down to Phuket, I was out having a beer in a quiet side lane just off the main drag in Nana, Sukhumvit when all hell broke loose about 50 metres away. Long story short, a muslim guy ( long beard, white robe, nasty looking prick ) thought it was his right to drag’ his’ Thai lady along the footpath by the arm and hair, obviously after a dispute about something. She was a ‘freelancer’..or prostitute as we call them.Then from outa nowhere 6 thai blokes appeared and were on this guy, beating the living shite out of him..knuckle dusters, batons, a stun gun lol you name it. After around 3 minutes of a continual attitude adjustment, the raghead was left munted in the gutter, allowing for the Thai ladys quick exit. The lady I was with explained to me that the Thai men involved probably didn’t know the woman who was with the muslim, however, they will always step up if “one of theirs is in strife”. Nice, I thought. Would that happen in NZ ?
      
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      May 31, 2017 1:39pm
      - starboard
        
        Not good enough. Bucks stops at Woodhouse. He is the Minister of Immigration. English will be getting an email from me reminding him he is our employee and job review is coming up September. Change the law, I don’t care how, just fucking do it, seems to happen whenever you want a pay rise. Ignore at your peril.
        
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        May 31, 2017 1:49pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        The lady I was with …
        
        Jolly good of you to shout milky’s mum a holiday.
        
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        May 31, 2017 4:21pm
      - stigie
        
        89 and she can take her teeth out Davinci..?
        
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        May 31, 2017 5:08pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        stigie, puhleeze. What happens on tour stays on tour. We don’t need (or indeed want) to know.
        
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        May 31, 2017 5:14pm
  - Paulus
    
    Whoever gets Immigration is on a hiding to nothing – but that the way it is.
    No Immigration Minister has ever had a smooth ride there are too many soft touches.
    No Minister can win this.
    
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    May 31, 2017 1:38pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  That’s hilarious, I can see feminist heads exploding with the cognitive dissonance this one will induce – jammed between defending a Mohammedan or defending a domestic abuse victim.
  
  By the way the woman is ME too, even went to Syria to hook up with another kebab. Not a Kiwi.
  
  They both need to be given exit orders. No more of our tax payer dollars should be wasted on these Vibrants.
  
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  May 31, 2017 1:12pm
- Kimbo
  
  @ Jack5
  
  More inaction from the inept Minister of Immigration, Michael Woodhouse.
  
  Nope. From the Herald story to which you linked:
  
  A woman who fulfilled her dead mother’s wish of finding a husband fears she might lose everything to her now ex-spouse.
  
  The Auckland homeowner found love online with a man in Syria who she thought would be a suitable partner.
  
  “My mother’s only wish was for me to get married, I’m from a Middle Eastern background and people care about that,” said the woman, who Te Waha Nui has chosen not to identify.
  
  She moved to Syria to marry him and after months of living together, which she described as “hell”, she left him and came home.
  
  OK, so we all make choices that turn out to be bad, some of them only clear with hindsight, some not… but in her case that should have been the end of it..
  
  In 2014, during the Syrian crisis, her ex-spouse reached out to her, pleading she sponsor him to come to New Zealand.
  
  The woman agreed…
  
  Uh oh. Bad choice…and not even in hindsight.
  
  …and allowed him to live with her for two weeks…
  
  More uh oh. Another bad choice, and yet again, not even in hindsight.
  
  …, during which time she says he was physically abusive and controlling.
  
  After receiving a protection order against him and attempting to withdraw her immigration sponsorship, she thought they could move on with their separate lives.
  
  But the man continued to live near her, and has been granted refugee status.
  
  …because he fitted the criteria. But then someone did sponsor him here in the first place.
  
  The situation became worse when the protection order did little to prevent her from being harassed and stalked by him regularly, the woman said.
  
  So why not? It is the police’s job to uphold the thing. Or, are the rules now different from the regular complaints here on Kiwiblog about the “I’m living in a car but I’m not going to tell you about my previous rent-non-payment and damage /P lab history” stories, and instead this is the Minister of Immigration’s mistake…somehow? Back to the link:
  
  Women’s Refuge New Zealand said abusers control their victims through coercion and fear, in order to get their own way.
  
  Indeed. Which she knew before sponsoring him into the country.
  
  Out of the blue, the woman received a “devastating” letter, informing her her ex would be going for half of everything she owns….
  
  Which is what happens when a marriage/partnership splits up…a relationship, btw, that was almost certainly specified on her sponsorship application. So as she is facing a financial loss and the emotional “pay-back” issued issues involved in a marriage break-up, there no incentive for her to be selective and/or dishonest in her account of events, nor ulterior motive to get him out of the country?
  
  “I pleaded with the Refugee Council of New Zealand, my local MP and the Immigration Minister to not let this man stay in New Zealand and I got no answers,” said the woman.
  
  According to Immigration New Zealand, sponsors cannot withdraw their sponsorship even if the sponsored person stays in New Zealand unlawfully after their visa expires.
  
  Indeed, they don’t. And with good reason. If not, then with a simple disassi=ociation you could avoid the cost of Immigration Department legal and other deportation if it comes to that.
  
  I’m not unsympathetic to the allegation of on-going abuse (but I repeat, that is a matter for the police, not Immigration in the first instance), but all of it was very avoidable, and is not to be laid at the feet of the Minister of Immigration. The policies are clear, and if and when you sponsor an immigrant those policies and potential risks are explained.
  
  Unless, you also want the Immigration department to adopt a policy – that would no doubt also be applied to the Family and other Courts of NZ, that in all cases a woman’s complaint against a male abuser and/or male partner are to be believed in their entirety, and he is to be punished with no recourse to natural justice? Hmm. You are getting more and more of a Social Justice Warrior by the day, Jack5. 😉
  
  But I still want you on my pub quiz team. 😉
  
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  May 31, 2017 1:50pm
  - Jack5
    
    You defend Woodhouse and the Immigration Department bureaucrats and accusing someone of being a social justice warrior, Kimbo?
    
    Transparently the “no I’m not, you are” playground-style argument.
    
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    May 31, 2017 2:13pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Seemed the natural inference and logical extrapolation from the facts, albeit made tongue-in-cheek. But unlike stephieboy, I gave extensive details – in context – to back it up. But if you want to run from that, far be it from me to hold you to a conservation about the Minister of Immigration’s alleged ineptitude…that you initiated.
      
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      May 31, 2017 2:26pm
      - Jack5
        
        I would answer, Kimbo, but I hear the school bell ringing, and I must rush back to my desk in the classroom – playtime’s over.
        
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        May 31, 2017 2:29pm
      - Kimbo
        
        By Jack5. Disappointed as I thought you were made of sterner and..better stuff. But for what it is worth, I yet again clarify my labelling of you as an SJW was tongue-in-cheek, but if it offends, I nonetheless apologise and withdraw.
        
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        May 31, 2017 2:31pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        “She moved to Syria to marry him and after months of living together, which she described as “hell”, she left him and came home.”
        
        On this I agree with you Kimbo, stupid woman agreeing to sponsor him to come to NZ when she had left him after he proved to be a prick of a husband.
        Leopards don’t change their spots, nor do husbands.
        
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        May 31, 2017 2:42pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @kimbo 2:26
        http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/3530822107858868491/
        
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        May 31, 2017 4:00pm
- Inandout
  
  Perhaps Woodhouse can set up ‘sanctuary cities’ to protect violent immigrants. Works in the US.
  
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  May 31, 2017 1:54pm
- stephieboy
  
  jack 5 , a bit if a cracked record this . Does is dismay you that Kailesh Thanabalasingham is more than likely to be non Muslim ?
  
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  May 31, 2017 1:57pm
  - Jack5
    
    Stephie X, you are the least entertaining of the trolls who have infested Kiwiblog in recent years.
    
    To lift the Stephieboy Troll Team, could you please as them in Stephiestan to send out a comedian. There will be absolutely no problem getting a visa under the student entry rort.
    
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    May 31, 2017 2:16pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Every citizen in NZ has the right to know whether a violent criminal has slipped into our country.
    It may be a coincidence that the late Mr Thanabalasingham shared the same name, age and a similar background to the Tamil deported back to Sri Lanka from Toronto.
    
    At present, all we know is that Mr Thanabalasingham and 3 other members of his family died in a house fire of undetermined cause.
    http://tamilculture.com/breaking-down-the-90s-a-look-back-at-tamil-gangs/
    
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    May 31, 2017 2:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It is a pity the NZ Herald didn’t attach the contact phone number for Shakti Women’s Refuge at the end of the article.
  
  Shakti offer services, safety and advice for Asian, African and Middle-eastern Women in NZ facing domestic violence.
  
  If you need someone to talk to, call 0800SHAKTI (0800742584).
  http://shakti-international.org/about-us-nz/
  
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  May 31, 2017 2:08pm
  - Jack5
    
    I hope this works, Maggy. Taxpayer and ratepayer money is going into Shakti.
    
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    May 31, 2017 2:18pm
Captain Mainwaring

From the sad but true file, there are obviously one or two used car salesmen still out there who fit the old stereotype:

http://autotalk.co.nz/news/seriously-defective-vehicle-unloaded-elderly-christchurch-couple
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May 31, 2017 12:26pm
- Reid
  
  Bastards who take advantage of old people and other helpless categories need a special category of crime and a special category of punishment to match.
  
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  May 31, 2017 12:31pm
- Inandout
  
  ‘She is a good little runner Sir, why even my wife has her eye on it’. ‘I’ll tell you what…..’
  
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  May 31, 2017 1:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

For the anonymous amongst us

Anonymity also has a dark side. In that same Carnegie Mellon study, 53% of interviewees admitted to malicious activities, like hacking or harassing other internet users, or engaging in “socially undesirable activities”, like visiting sites that depicted violence or pornography, or downloading files illegally.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170529-the-reasons-you-can-never-be-anonymous-again
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May 31, 2017 12:58pm
Manolo

Take her to the retirement home. Now.
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/confusion-pelosi-calls-george-w-bush-president/
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May 31, 2017 1:00pm
- Jack5
  
  Manolo, this post calling for someone to be taken to a retirement home comes immediately after a post from the intelligent, learned, and revered Maggy.
  
  You’re not …. you’re not … surely you’re not talking about Mrs Wassilieff?
  
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  May 31, 2017 2:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @ Jack5
    I’m in my retirement home..
    it’s fab… sun shining in, birdies tweeting outside.
    Must go and prune the 40 bloody roses… then off to see the new piglets across the road.
    …bliss.
    
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    May 31, 2017 2:32pm
Fletch

The idea of the plastic shopping bag ban. Are resuables any better for the environment? Turns out, not really.

Despite the litter impact of plastic carryout bags, plastic bags produce fewer greenhouse gases than paper or cotton bags. Plastic bags require 70% less energy to manufacture than paper bags. Plastic bags take less than 4% of the water needed to manufacture paper bags. Plastic bags generate up to 80% less waste than paper bags. It takes 7 trucks to deliver paper bags and only 1 truck for the same number of plastic bags. (Frank, 2013) Furthermore, it takes 91% less energy to recycle a pound of plastic than a pound of paper. (The ULS Report, 2008)

The claims that Plastic Carryout Bags are an environmental villain are simply not true. In fact, comparing the environmental metrics during the production, transportation, use, and disposal of carryout bags shows that Plastic Carryout Bags are better for the environment than paper or reusable bags made from Polypropylene or Cotton.

https://fighttheplasticbagban.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/plastic-bags-greener-than-alternatives.pdf
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May 31, 2017 1:12pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , your contributor Anthony van Leeuwen appears to be in cahoots with the Tea party and associated nuttery,
  
  http://venturacountyteaparty.ning.com/profile/AnthonyvanLeeuwen?xg_source=activity
  
  Sigh !
  
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  May 31, 2017 1:25pm
  - simpleton1
    
    Loose tea used to come in big wooden reusable boxes.
    Tea bags hold tea in a mini paper bag.
    
    Tea drinkers would not appreciate the tea in little plastic bags, at a tea party.
    
    Often nuts do come in plastic bag/wrappings. Sigh
    
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    May 31, 2017 1:41pm
Brigitte

Todays QT showing superb co-ordination from Labour:

1. ANDREW LITTLE to the Prime Minister: Did the Minister of Finance tell him that Budget 2017 invests less in new initiatives for health, education, housing, and police combined than it spends on tax cuts?

4. GRANT ROBERTSON to the Minister of Finance: Why does Budget 2017 invest less in new initiatives for health, education, housing, and police combined than it spends on tax cuts?
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May 31, 2017 1:22pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You wouldn’t read about it!
  
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  May 31, 2017 2:11pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  And Steven Joyce shot both questions down in very short order.
  
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  May 31, 2017 2:32pm
  - Gabby
    
    Wee Toddy Baccy asked a tough one and Nikki nearly made him cry.
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:43pm
waikatogirl

There is a very serious shortage of truck drivers in NZ. The trucking industry is hoping to attract young drivers by targeting school leavers to replace their aging pool of current drivers. The number of trucks on the road has risen by 60% since the year 2000 and is expected to keep rising. ?
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May 31, 2017 1:28pm
Longknives

What’s really grinding my gears today is the movement (it’s picking up momentum on Facebook etc) to rename Margaret Court Arena.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-4552258/Hogenkamp-calls-renaming-Margaret-Court-arena.html

The Arena is named after one of the Greatest players of all time- Margaret Court.
Margaret herself is pushing 80 now and is a Christian Minister. Her crime that has incurred the wrath of Social Justice Warriors around the globe? – Shock/Horror she doesn’t support Gay Marriage!
So in the minds of the Loony Left Margaret must now be erased from the record books?

Okay- So what do we do about the Muhummad Ali legacy? Possibly the most famous Sportsperson of the last 100 years- Ali taunted and mocked Gay people for years.
Should we erase Ali from History? (That’s a lot of Stadiums/Centres etc to be renamed)
Jesus- What about our sport’s heroes closer to home? Has anyone asked Colin Meads his thoughts on Gay Marriage? Michael Jones? (That statue at Eden Park will come down if he doesn’t answer correctly)
And dare I even mention Sonny Bill Williams??
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May 31, 2017 1:39pm
- holysheet
  
  You lost all credibility when you mentioned sunni bill.
  
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  May 31, 2017 1:54pm
  - stephieboy
    
    holyturd ,
    
    Lost credibilty ?
    
    Why ?
    
    Do you have credible sources that SB is going to set up a Caliphate in NZ ?
    
    LOL
    
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    May 31, 2017 2:15pm
    - Longknives
      
      Sonny Bill is closely linked to an Islamic Hate Preacher- He has actively ‘Tweeted’ support for him (along with photos giving the ISIS hand-signal etc)
      It is therefore rather unlikely Sonny Bill supports Gay Marriage.
      *But you already knew that Stephieboy- Why the fuck do I even engage?…
      
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      May 31, 2017 2:20pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Longknive , given you limited cranial capacities why indeed do you engage ?
        
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        May 31, 2017 2:35pm
      - Longknives
        
        Love your work Stephieboy!
        Your sharp reply just made my day…
        
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        May 31, 2017 2:37pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Longknives , an astonishing admission on your part !
        
        WOW !
        
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        May 31, 2017 2:40pm
      - holysheet
        
        Give it up longknives. They are too stoooooopid to even know when you are taking the piss.
        
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        May 31, 2017 2:51pm
      - stephieboy
        
        holyturd , seek admission as a voluntary patient at your local forensic Psych unit !
        
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        May 31, 2017 3:37pm
      - holysheet
        
        I tried once but they had too many of your rellies taking up all the beds.
        
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        May 31, 2017 5:17pm
      - BeeSting
        
        Is that his name I thought it was
        
        S o n n y B i ll J i h a d
        
        Thanks for the heads up
        (sorry excuse me no pun intended
        heads up heads down heads off?
        
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        May 31, 2017 11:18pm
- MCos
  
  Some more background.
  M Court said she was boycotting Qantas because the gay head honcho said the company supported gay marriage.
  Consequently some big name gay tennis players had their noses put out of joint and wanted the tennis court renamed.
  Nothing to do with any ‘loony left’.
  Nobody asked her opinion on gay marriage!
  
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  May 31, 2017 3:11pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Can you only have an opinion if asked? I don’t think anyone here knows of any such rule lol.
    
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    May 31, 2017 7:05pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WkEz7l3ppI
      
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      May 31, 2017 7:21pm
Manolo

Comrade Corbyn at work:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4556844/Labour-s-secret-plan-open-doors-Britain-wider.html

Labour has drawn up secret plans to throw open Britain’s doors to thousands of unskilled migrants after Brexit.

A leaked internal policy document reveals the party is considering introducing a visa for migrants seeking ‘low-skilled, unskilled or seasonal work’.
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May 31, 2017 1:48pm
holysheet

You can now get a Diploma in christian music.
http://visioncollege.ac.nz/study/music/

I would have thought you would get this happy clappy music anytime you went to talk about the sky fairy of your choice.
The mussies will be demanding funding for their screeching, wailing and headbanging next.
What would you do with such a diploma and how would it get you a job?
It’s this kind of waste of taxpayers money that needs to stop.
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May 31, 2017 1:51pm
- Longknives
  
  The Devil always had cooler tunes-
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l482T0yNkeo
  
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  May 31, 2017 1:57pm
Reid

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has recently taken a political chainsaw and started to cut warmongers who created chaos in the Middle East to pieces. He unapologetically declared:

“Libya was bombed and its government was violently overthrown. It was turned into a backyard for terrorists and criminals. The regime was changed with the help of those [militants], who came from Europe.

“They were free to leave their countries because everybody knew where they were going and what they were going to do there. And then they were welcomed back. Now, we just see the consequences of these irresponsible policies.”

Warmongers in the West—obviously the Neoconservatives in England and America—must bear some responsibility for the chaos in the Middle East, said Lavrov. In fact, warmongers have screwed up just about anything they touch in the Middle East. Listen to retired career officer in the Armor Branch of the United States Army and academic Andrew J. Bacevich:

“Apart from a handful of deluded neoconservatives, no one believes that the United States accomplished its objectives in Iraq, unless the main objective was to commit mayhem, apply a tourniquet to staunch the bleeding, and then declare the patient stable while hastily leaving the scene of the crime…

“The fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq has exacted a huge price from the U.S. military—especially the army and the Marines.

“More than 6,700 soldiers have been killed so far in those two conflicts, and over fifty thousand have been wounded in action, about 22 percent with traumatic brain injuries.

“Furthermore, as always happens in war, many of the combatants are psychological casualties, as they return home with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) or depression.

“The Department of Veterans Affairs reported in the fall of 2012 that more than 247,000 veterans of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars have been diagnosed with PTSD. Many of those soldiers have served multiple combat tours.

“It is hardly surprising that the suicide rate in the U.S. military increased by 80 percent from 2002 to 2009, while the civilian rate increased only 15 percent. And in 2009, veterans of Iraq were twice as likely to be unemployed as the typical American.

“On top of all that, returning war veterans are roughly four times more likely to face family-related problems like divorce, domestic violence and child abuse than those who stayed out of harm’s way.

“In 2011, the year the Iraq War ended, one out of every five active duty soldiers was on antidepressants, sedatives, or other prescription drugs.

“The incidence of spousal abuse spiked, as did the divorce rate among military couples. Debilitating combat stress reached epidemic proportions. So did brain injuries. Soldier suicides skyrocketed.”

This is the freedom that Satanists have brought to Iraq; this is the sort of heaven these intellectual and political geniuses are seeking in the Middle East and elsewhere. And the ideological agenda of the Neoconservative movement progressively attacks Christian families and neighborhoods in the Middle East.

Evil aren’t they, the Neocons. Evil evil evil evil evil bastards.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/30/satanists-are-responsible-for-chaos-in-the-middle-east/
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May 31, 2017 1:59pm
- Kea
  
  Pearls before swine Reid, just watch them squeal.
  
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  May 31, 2017 6:36pm
Inandout

Why would school kids pick on dairy farmers’ children? Is the sick Green philosophy even seeping into childrens’ minds?
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May 31, 2017 2:01pm
holysheet

Can someone who knows tell me which sect all these “muslim refugees” are? Sunni or shia?
If they cannot coexist in the shitholes they come from, does our immigration dept take their sect into consideration or do they not ask.
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May 31, 2017 2:05pm
- stephieboy
  
  holyturd , my good neighbours are fomerly from Iran are Shia , but like a a great many of them don’t practice it .
  
  Keep wearing that tin foil hat !
  
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  May 31, 2017 2:17pm
  - starboard
    
    How can they afford to live in Mt Eden ?
    
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    May 31, 2017 2:23pm
    - stephieboy
      
      starboard , unlike you they work hard and Dad is an Accountant .Their three daughters all University graduates in Optometry and Bio Chemesitry .
      
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      May 31, 2017 2:38pm
      - rangitoto
        
        How much do you charge them for the tent.
        
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        May 31, 2017 2:54pm
      - holysheet
        
        How the fuck would you know if they work hard?
        It’s not a concept you would know about. Your 19021 comments here on KB are a testament to that.
        
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        May 31, 2017 2:56pm
      - dirty harry
        
        somebody had better tell the father theres a disgusting pervert named stupidboy living nextdoor. He frequents Starbucks..well, you know the rest
        
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        May 31, 2017 6:22pm
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/93169028/fatally-shot-hamilton-man-called-for-help

The shotgun shell was in a pipe making an improvised firearm…. “We just know that one of the flatmates put a shotgun shell in a pipe and hit it and it went off accidentally maybe.”

Yup accidents like that just happen to normal people all the time…

Need feral control, not gun control!
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May 31, 2017 2:15pm
- waikatogirl
  
  cmm, don’t you know all us Hamiltonians’ keep a supply of shotgun shells under the sink.
  //
  Crikey, I see what you mean about ferals!
  
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  May 31, 2017 3:09pm
- holysheet
  
  Ferals do what ferals gotta do.
  I suppose they play dueling banjo music all day.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE
  
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  May 31, 2017 3:26pm
Reid

It’s well reported that Seal Team 6 was training for a de-capitation mission in NK back in March-April. Now we have this report:

South Korean news had previously reported that the USS Michigan, a submarine that moves special forces like US Navy SEALs, had joined the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier strike group off of North Korea’s coast after a secret mission.

The USS Michigan, a guided-missile, nuclear-powered submarine, appeared in Busan, South Korea. But even earlier, Chinese intelligence reported that SEAL Team 6 was training alongside South Korea’s version of the SEALs for “incapacitating” North Korea’s leader Kim Jong-Un.

…Signals intelligence recieved by Russian Far Eastern command, seemed to indicate a patrol had been inserted on a ground recon mission inside North Korean territory and that a chance encounter with a dog patrol had led to casualties among the American forces who broke radio silence to ask for help…

…The USS Michigan adds a stealth element and an extra set of eyes and ears to the already potent carrier strike group in operation on North Korea’s coast, but it doesn’t add much firepower. The US Navy destroyers accompanying the Vinson already have the kind of Tomahawk missiles the Michigan has. This is what originally set off the alert Americans were on the ground, as there was no need for the submarine there, except to insert special forces.

http://novorossia.today/breaking-news-seal-team-6-possibly-liquidated-north-korea-assassination-attempt-dear-leader-kim-jong-un/
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May 31, 2017 2:52pm
Nostradamus

Yesterday D4J gave me homework:

Hey Nostra you should investigate how many alternative identities exist on this blog .

Stigie raised the stakes:

Take your time Nostra, there’s only 13 so we are led to believe, tomorrow night will be fine !~
Edit:- 14 with sam !!

So, after investigation and methodical analysis, I can inform Kiwiblog readers that:

– Big Bruv, thedavincimode and Stigie are the same person.
– Mikenmild and Starboard are husband and wife – which explains the ongoing lovers’ tiff and the affectionate references to “mum”.
– Kimbo was head boy and dux at his high school. Chuck Bird was the hall monitor at Kimbo’s school – small world!
– Odakyu-sen and Stephieboy are next door neighbours Stephieboy thinks Odakyu-sen is Iranian, for some strange reason, but I’m not sure why – Padriv Ustoev moved out 2 years ago.
– Johnboy and Penny are penpals, but Penny insists that all letters must be platonic.
– Redbaiter was an apprentice at Nasska’s farmstead some years ago, but moved on to better things – global blog domination.
– Hugh Pavletich and Penny have joined forces to knit Odakyu-sen a Doctor Who black-and-blue text scrolling scarf. Johnboy is miffed that his barbed wire (long-promised by Penny) has been pushed down the priority list. Hugh is working on a long-term affordable housing solution for Penny.
– Maggy, in her younger mad scientist days, asked Griff to help out with a scientific experiment. Griff agreed, but things went badly wrong, and his favourite teddy bear turned into green slime. Griff, even after all these years, wants revenge. Unfortunately, Griff is concerned that global warming is interfering with his “revenge is a dish best served cold” plans.
– And, for long-time Kiwiblog readers, RogerNome finally got his PhD (in political science) and started a public relations consultancy with James Sleep, Tom Barker and Pete George.

Phew – please don’t give me any homework tonight!
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May 31, 2017 2:58pm
- dad4justice
  
  Well done Nostra you can have a homework free night, because of the brilliant work working out the alternative identity mystery 🙂
  
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  May 31, 2017 4:23pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Thanks Dad. I thought we could all do with a bit of harmless banter. The funny thing about Kiwiblog is we’re all a bunch of odd misfits, but put us in the same room, and strange chemistry happens!
    
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    May 31, 2017 4:44pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Speaking of which, Nostra, I’ve left a new homework assignment for you on the following thread:
      
      http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/05/great_service-2.html
      
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      May 31, 2017 4:48pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Kimbo:
        
        Heh – Hugh’s comment has been duly filed and noted!
        
        Don’t get too complacent though. Hugh managed to turn a discussion on this thread – Why do socialists no longer talk about Venezuela? – into a housing discussion. His explanation about the connection that everyone else had missed: “The problem we have in NZ is that there are way more socialists in the National Party … with for example Nick Smith being way Left of the Greens … as the Hickey / Newsroom post above clearly illustrates”. So, with Hugh’s creativity, no thread is immune from a housing discussion!
        
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        May 31, 2017 5:00pm
  - stigie
    
    Yep, you’ve really answered Dad’s question to the satisfaction of all those suspect identities Nostra..?
    
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    May 31, 2017 5:18pm
Longknives

This is disgusting-

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/93140560/wouldbe-car-jacker-sentenced-to-home-detention-after-grandmothers-letter-to-judge

Read what the piece of Human Excrement did- Then ask yourself why the fuck he isn’t in Prison?
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May 31, 2017 3:02pm
- GoVege
  
  It sounds like the judge decided that home detention with his Christian granny might avoid him learning more crime in prison.
  Plus it would save the tax payers about $50,000.
  P.s. Is there ever any good news about Stratford?
  
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  May 31, 2017 6:03pm
Reid

More dot-connecting for those who don’t yet understand ISIS and the West are joined at the hip.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-28/isis-apologized-israel-attacking-idf-soldiers

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/hillary-confirms-saudi-arabia-qatar-are-funding-isis-leaked-email

And this is why the Western-created, sponsored and led ISIS forces have been trying to destroy Syria and which has in the process displaced 3 million innocent civilians, killed who knows how many but probably at least half a million, sentenced hundred of thousands of women, girls and young boys to a life of sexual slavery and destroyed an entire country – Syrian cities now look like post-WWII Europe. All its infrastructure has been ripped up and shipped off to Turkey, while the US watched it go with its satellites and did nothing. This is what the West has done, and this is the utterly venal reason behind it.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-24/oil-gas-war-over-syria-4-maps

Wake the fuck up sheeple. You are directly responsible for this shit because YOU have stood by and let it happen saying nothing whatsoever.

All that is necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to stand aside and do nothing.

Shoe fits, so wear it.
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May 31, 2017 3:25pm
JasonJohns

The red Herald has joined the hate campaign against white patriot Noel Hilliam
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11866097&ref=NZH_fb
I thought we would want to honour a homegrown indiana Jones who has discovered a series of lost civilisations here, but no…
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May 31, 2017 3:32pm
- stephieboy
  
  jasonJohns , Hilliam like you a deluded buffoon !
  
  OK !
  
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  May 31, 2017 3:38pm
  - Reid
    
    It’s so funny when you call other people idiots stephie.
    
    Also tragic.
    
    Tragically tragic.
    
    A terrifically tragic tragical tragedy.
    
    It’s the ironing, silly.
    
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    May 31, 2017 4:06pm
- Kea
  
  Its a thankless job dredging through rubbish dumps finding the remains of your peaceful enlightened ancestors who were so coldly murdered by savage brutal Maori colonists.
  
  They will probably make the study of history an imprisonable offence like they have done with world war two history in much of Europe.
  
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  May 31, 2017 6:08pm
Manolo

Maybe devout and pious stephieboy can enlighten us: why are there so many sexually-repressed Muslims?
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/05/28/manchester-bomber-mob-gang-rape-victim/

The mother of a schoolgirl rape victim has said Manchester bomber Salman Abedi was part of a group who waged a two-month campaign of intimidation against her daughter and family.

Salman Abedi was an associate and childhood friend of Bilal Ahmed, who was jailed with two others for a total of 29 years in 2016 for taking part in the brutal gang rape of the 16-year-old.
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May 31, 2017 4:38pm
- holysheet
  
  Why do you think the burka is used so often. If you actually saw what it was hiding, you would be sexually repressed as well.
  Plus living in these ghettos, they don’t have easy access to goats.
  
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  May 31, 2017 5:25pm
Nostradamus

Yesterday Pete George linked to this tweet by “History In Pictures”. The tweet provides a list of reasons for admission to a lunatic asylum in the late 1800s.

If you click on the image to see the full list of reasons for admission to the asylum, you’ll notice that one of them was “deranged masturbation”. The mind boggles at the implied distinction between normal and deranged masturbation. In fact, several reasons mention masturbation: “masturbation and syphilis”, “masturbation for 30 years”, “tobacco and masturbation” and “suppressed masturbation”. They had all bases covered!

Other odd reasons for admission to the asylum were “kicked in the head by a horse”, “imaginary female trouble”, “over study of religion”, and “shooting of daughter”.

By comparison, some 130 years later, we live in enlightened times!
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May 31, 2017 4:50pm
- Kimbo
  
  Hmm. I am likely fortunate I was not living then.
  
  EDIT: Was thinking of the ““over study of religion”, not “deranged masturbation” thing 😉
  
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  May 31, 2017 4:54pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Kimbo:
    
    The honest truth: you were the first person who came to mind when I read “over study of religion”. Watch out Scott – you have serious competition!
    
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    May 31, 2017 5:02pm
  - Kimbo
    
    …but I may be in trouble if someone takes my “deglazing the Dutch Oven” comment earlier today out of context. Trust starboard to imply it was a euphemism…
    
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    May 31, 2017 5:02pm
  - nasska
    
    Let’s not quibble…..you’d still qualify. 🙂
    
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    May 31, 2017 5:03pm
- Reid
  
  They missed: “sexual emergency.”
  
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  May 31, 2017 5:44pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  politics
  bad company
  novel reading
  laziness
  hard study
  time of life
  
  I’m doomed…..
  
  but at least I haven’t succumbed to
  Salvation Army, vicious vices and bad whiskey
  
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  May 31, 2017 5:45pm
  - Kea
    
    Maggy and you have a strong and independent mind. Unlike some of your tormentors/stalkers here on KB who simply repeat PC garbage in an attempt to fake compassion and intelligence in order to gain social approval for themselves.
    
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    May 31, 2017 6:00pm
- Kea
  
  “over study of religion”
  
  That one should still be a ticket to the nut house.
  
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  May 31, 2017 6:02pm
SPC

Trump family profiting from exploitation of workers making shoes in China.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11866852
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May 31, 2017 5:31pm
- Reid
  
  Kushner family profiting from exploitation of poor goy.
  
  Just google “kushner slum landlord” – I can’t be arsed posting 29,100 links.
  
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  May 31, 2017 5:48pm
  - Kea
    
    Reid how dare you !!!!!!!!!
    
    Making legitimate criticism of the [self declared] master race is: Anti Semitic [only Jewish Semites not the Arabs who are also Semitic] Racist [its a religion/culture but facts don’t matter] Nazi [extinct in 1945]
    
    I am so filled with fake outrage over those facts I could vomit 🙂
    
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    May 31, 2017 5:56pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Reid:
    
    I can’t be arsed posting 29,100 links
    
    You’re sitting on 23,450 comments (give or take) so 6,000-odd links will do. We shouldn’t let Mikenmild sleepwalk his way to 30,000 comments. Some competition rivalry for the “30,000 comments bragging rights” will have him looking over his shoulder, instead of doing his day job (designing new ways of imposing red-tape regulations on us), which could be a good thing!
    
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    May 31, 2017 6:07pm
    - Reid
      
      Nosty I got terribly excited at my 10k and made a gushing idiot of myself but I’ve since realised not too many of us keep count of the amount of sentences we speak in a lifetime nor regard this as any kind of achievement so why would we do this on a silly hobby forum that at the end of the day is trivial, notwithstanding when Jews are mentioned it turns instantly deadly serious, for no apparent reason as far as I can see, anyway.
      
      Love your family, try not to hurt yourself and others, make peace where possible, if that doesn’t work, call them sheeple and other names because it’s not fair and they didn’t listen properly.
      
      That’s my current KB philosophy and it works for me. If the sheeple don’t appreciate it it’s their fault.
      
      See what a virtuous circle it all is.
      
      If I wanted to compete, what I’d probably do is make a separate post out of every letter I typed and I’m pretty sure DPF couldn’t ban me for that under the current rules, although happy to be corrected there with your acknowledged expertise.
      
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      May 31, 2017 7:27pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Reid:
        
        I’m pretty sure DPF couldn’t ban me for that under the current rules, although happy to be corrected there with your acknowledged expertise
        
        I think DPF has enough wiggle room to classify that as trolling under the “attempt to deliberately disrupt a conversation by being grossly offensive” part of the Kiwiblog comments policy.
        
        Applying that approach, I thought this super-long comment from Penny yesterday was way out of line. I can’t recall seeing any comment like it (for the sheer “look at me and fuck you” factor) in all the time I’ve been reading Kiwiblog.
        
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        May 31, 2017 7:54pm
      - Reid
        
        Thanks for that Nosty, it appears I may need to come up with another way to legally fuck everyone off. Maybe I should actually examine the rules.
        
        Luckily I have a month off.
        
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        May 31, 2017 9:11pm
- Kea
  
  While Obama & Hillary profited from the war trade killing people in developing economies.
  
  You want to go and sort your priorities out SPC.
  
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  May 31, 2017 5:52pm
  - SPC
    
    Stop making stuff up.
    
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    May 31, 2017 6:40pm
    - Kea
      
      I guess they dropped them on the developed world. Australia, Italy and shit ?
      ————————————–
      
      America dropped 26,171 bombs in 2016. What a bloody end to Obama’s reign
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy
      
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      May 31, 2017 9:48pm
      - SPC
        
        You provide no evidence that Clinton or Obama profited.
        
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        June 1, 2017 7:02am
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

From 2017, Lorde and Green Light: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMK_npDG12Q

And as it’s the end of the month, it is time to say goodnight to NZ music month: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H2BOGGUbm4
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May 31, 2017 6:01pm
nasska

Nostra

I’m not sure that Kimbo appreciates the risks his hobby present:

https://www.unbelievable-facts.com/2016/12/le-livre-sans-titre.html
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May 31, 2017 6:12pm
- stigie
  
  Christ, we don’t know how lucky we are mate !~
  
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  May 31, 2017 6:17pm
- Nostradamus
  
  From your link Nasska:
  
  Another medical book published in 1760 called L’Onanisme by Samuel-Auguste Tissot claimed that semen is an essential body oil and that wasting it through masturbation would result in “reduction of strength, memory and even reason, blurred vision, all nervous disorders, all types of gout and rheumatism”, etc., and the list goes on.
  
  Do you think the Catholic Church (which disapproves of masturbation as I understand it) might be on to something?
  
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  May 31, 2017 6:20pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”Do you think the Catholic Church (which disapproves of masturbation as I understand it) might be on to something?”….
    
    Hard to say Nostra. After all they’re a bit anti on male/male couplings too but relax the standards if one of the participants is under 16.
    
    Fortunately we have a few dedicated theists on this forum who may be able to give us the good oil. 🙂
    
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    May 31, 2017 6:31pm
  - stigie
    
    From the Catholic Church on masturbation Nostra:- They are on to something alright ..?
    
    Masturbation is:
    
    “Focused on yourself
    A withholding from your spouse
    A statement that sex is only about pleasure — your own pleasure
    Inherently sterile
    Often accompanied by “adultery in your heart” through pornography and fantasy”
    
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    May 31, 2017 6:31pm
    - SPC
      
      But then they constrain relationship sex to the purpose of procreation, rather than mere mutual pleasure.
      
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      May 31, 2017 6:46pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        SPC:
        
        I gather there’s a lot of mutual pleasure, and no procreation, at Hagley Park!
        
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        May 31, 2017 6:54pm
  - Kea
    
    .”Do you think the Catholic Church (which disapproves of masturbation as I understand it) might be on to something?”
    
    Yes. Little boys.
    
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    May 31, 2017 6:38pm
- thedavincimode
  
  OMG, is this what happened? I would never have wished that upon the redbladder.
  
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  May 31, 2017 6:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The only building I’ve seen designed by Zaha Hadid is the Dongdaemum Design Plaza
https://www.failedarchitecture.com/on-zaha-hadids-dongdaemun-design-plaza/
Love to see some of her other buildings
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/zaha-hadid-woman-reshaped-modern-architecture-170530200456379.html
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May 31, 2017 6:15pm
Kea

“I once posted an article with a link from the Times of Israel that highlighted the hypocrisy of Israel taking zero African Refugees…”

It is worse than that. They are throwing out black Jews [yes there is such a thing]. Bloody cheeky when you consider the Jews themselves admit to coming from Africa and exterminating the people living in what is now Israel. People who had lived there for thousands of years with a developed sophisticated civilisation. Nothing has changed by the looks of it.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/ethiopian-jews-racist-israel-orthodox-mizrahi-ashkenazi-colonialism-409877638
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May 31, 2017 6:21pm
Reid

I said the other day I’ll be connecting some dots during the 9-5 shift over the next month or so, just cos I can.

Here’s a taster.

Unless you’re plugged in to the independent media, there’s a good chance that you’ve not yet heard of one of the largest and arguably most important cases of government infiltration in recent history.

On February 2, 2017, three Pakistani brothers with top access to the computer systems inside the U.S. House of Representatives containing some of the nation’s most sensitive information were removed from their positions by U.S. Capitol Police.

The three brothers who are the target of a criminal probe, deliberately understated as a “procurement scam” include Imran Awan, Abid Awan and Jamal Moiz Awan, each who were the “shared employees” of at least 31 Democratic Congressional Representatives. But the case itself and potential damage is much, much worse than is being reported, if it’s being reported at all.

While the corporate media is obviously more intent to prove some nebulous cyber connection between President Donald Trump and the Russians, they have yet to pay even the most basic lip service to this case of apparent espionage that has taken place at the highest levels of our government.

The Awan brothers had complete and direct access to information of three extremely sensitive committees: The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the Homeland Security Committee and the House Foreign Affairs Committee. The access to the information they had, along with their known or suspected affiliations to such groups as Hezbollah and the Muslim Brotherhood, has “shaken” government insiders with knowledge about the case.

http://www.shiftfrequency.com/awan-brothers-natl-sec-breach-congress/

That was back in March.

Then just the other day we see…

Congressional Aides Fear Suspects In IT Breach Are Blackmailing Members With Their Own Data…

The baffled aides wonder if the suspects are blackmailing representatives based on the contents of their emails and files, to which they had full access.

“I don’t know what they have, but they have something on someone. It’s been months at this point” with no arrests, said Pat Sowers, who has managed IT for several House offices for 12 years. “Something is rotten in Denmark.”

A manager at a tech-services company that works with Democratic House offices said he approached congressional offices, offering their services at one-fourth the price of Awan and his Pakistani brothers, but the members declined. At the time, he couldn’t understand why his offers were rejected but now he suspects the Awans exerted some type of leverage over members.

“There’s no question about it: If I was accused of a tenth of what these guys are accused of, they’d take me out in handcuffs that same day, and I’d never work again,” he said.

And today, The Daily Caller’s Luke Rosiak reports Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz threatened the chief of the U.S. Capitol Police with “consequences” for holding equipment that she says belongs to her in order to build a criminal case against a Pakistani staffer suspected of massive cybersecurity breaches involving funneling sensitive congressional data offsite.

The Florida lawmaker used her position on the committee that sets the police force’s budget to press its chief to relinquish the piece of evidence Thursday, in what could be considered using her authority to attempt to interfere with a criminal investigation.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-24/caught-tape-wasserman-schultz-threatens-police-chief-investigating-her-it-staffs-cri

Sadly, most of you are crippled because the only source you use, not have, but use, is the MSM. I infer this from the comments you make on here. If I’m wrong, I apologise, but then, why the fuck do you make the comments you do, being as how intelligent you all are, with one or two exceptions. Anyway I assume this is the very first time you’ve heard of the Awan brothers. You may want to ask yourselves incidentally if your MSM in the conservative arena is oh so reliable astute and trustworthy why the fuck THEY haven’t told you about the Awan bros either, once you read what’s in those links and you realise how critical it is.

Watch this space, maybe tomorrow, if I feel like it, or maybe not. But soon.

You’re all intelligent people. It’s just you don’t look at the right things, so you naturally don’t see what’s going on right alongside all the bread and circus distractions. Which are deliberate.

At the end of the day you may not buy the dots. That’s fine. I’m not selling anything, and I’m not making it up, either. The kinds of angles that people like Kea, EAD, UT, I and various others here take, are the collective view of literally billions of people round the world – most of the non-Western world in fact. We’re not alone. We don’t say what we say to create a distraction, either.

But what we do say, in these GD comments, are tiny vignettes of a much bigger picture, a different world view, and when you, with a worldview which differs from ours read them, why naturally, it doesn’t make any sense.

What I’m going to try to do over the next month or so is build a circumstantial case. It has to be circumstantial it can’t be otherwise. Because naturally, the documents, the evidence, while some of it is there, is possessed only by intel agencies, and how can any of us even if we worked in one possibly publish such on here?

But as any of the lawyers will tell you, circumstantial evidence is acceptable in a Court. It’s like a rope. One thread is inconsequential. A couple begins to build a strand. A bunch of strands form a rope. Sometimes you even have enough to build many ropes into a cable. And when you can do that, because the actual source evidence is unavailable, that’s acceptable, in a Court.

Watch this space, or just scroll past and downtick everything I post in the next month or so. I don’t really care. Just know that none of us tell you the things we do just to stir. We do it because we believe it really is how the world works. And if we and the several billion others of us are right, then isn’t that important?

And the last point is, if you do choose to read and comment on my upcomings, please drop your present conceptions of what you think I believe. I frequently see comments proclaiming Reid thinks this or that when actually, I think nothing of the kind. Listen to what I am saying, please don’t be thinking when you’re reading it: “Reid thinks that therefore he’s saying this because…” The only reason I’m suggesting you do that, is because it’s irrelevant. Focus on the message, not the messenger.
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May 31, 2017 7:04pm
- mikenmild
  
  people like Kea, EAD, UT, I
  
  A troll, a Nazi, a simpleton and a nutter walked into a bar…
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:35pm
  - Reid
    
    Can’t help yourself can you Sneery.
    
    Have you ever been happy?
    
    What did you think of the data in those links BTW?
    
    Oh don’t tell us.
    
    You haven’t even read them.
    
    Have you.
    
    Most of the time, despite what I say, I get a great balance of upticks vs down.
    
    How are you doing on that front?
    
    Any lessons there?
    
    Not really?
    
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    May 31, 2017 8:43pm
    - Kea
      
      Reid, I once got banned for calling a nazi apologist a nazi apologist. I gave specific reasons based on holocaust research and “approved” history.
      
      Yet those with a pro zionist stance find it impossible to even get a strike with their daily screams of “nazi !!!”
      
      I also note us nazi never call for anyone to be banned, invaded, bombed, or in any way harmed. Unlike the zionists who demand such things daily.
      
      Funny that eh ? 🙂
      
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      May 31, 2017 8:50pm
  - Kea
    
    milky, there have been no nazi since 1945. They were a thing for a brief time in Germany in response to the terrible deprivation following world war one.
    
    There are however – socialists – like yourself around who still want to restrict freedom of speech and marginalise anyone who disagrees with them. In modern history your kind of socialism has done more harm than the nazi ever did and you still pose a threat today.
    
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    May 31, 2017 8:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How would you characterize yourself, mikenmild?
    
    You call Kea a troll, but I’ve picked up more information (always referenced) from her brief forays here than I have from your daily side swipes against commenters.
    
    You got well and truly called out for your trolling yesterday.
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/05/labours_lies_on_health_spending.html#comment-1939619
    
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    May 31, 2017 8:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Over 80 dead, 350 injured… massive truck bombing in Kabul
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40102903
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May 31, 2017 7:07pm
Monique Watson

The Westies rubbish dump is on fire.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11866914
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May 31, 2017 7:29pm
- Reid
  
  Is Paula’s leopard wardrobe at risk?
  
  Just she’ll need that for the upcoming campaign.
  
  Can’t have a westie rally with leopard.
  
  This could be serious.
  
  The damn ~~taxpayer funded~~ ~~slaves~~ staff in charge of the wardrobe at her electoral office may have hell to pay. If reports on how she treats her ~~slaves~~ staff in Wgtn are anything to go by.
  
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  May 31, 2017 7:52pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Remember the married teacher who seduced her 13 year-old pupil, got preggers to him, went to jail for 7 years, then married him?

Looks like their love has died
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/30/us/husband-files-for-separation-from-former-teacher-mary-kay-fualaau/index.html
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May 31, 2017 7:42pm
- Reid
  
  Whole lotta sad there.
  
  What will the child think as s/he gets old enough to understand.
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:06pm
- Kea
  
  Crazy bitch but I’d smash it bro 🙂
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:42pm
Happychappy

I hope Winston is not feeding on his own spew after being given a lesson Steven Joyce on the Economy in Parliament Question time today. Between Grant Robertson, James Shaw and Winston Peters trying to make out they are qualified and knowledgeble enough to hold the pursestrings of the Treasury Benches is hilarious when listening to their inept questions of the Finance Minister on a regular basis in Parliaments Question time. How can this political bunch of misfits be elected to become the Government come September 23rd 2017.
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May 31, 2017 7:54pm
- Brigitte
  
  Well it wasn’t a great start by Labour – directing essentially the same question to English and Joyce when they knew English was away and Joyce would answer both.
  
  On a more serious note, we really do need an opposition. They must have a lot of intelligence in them – since very little seems to be coming out!
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:02pm
  - Happychappy
    
    It would help if they wern’t so lazy in asking the same questions several times a month.
    
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    May 31, 2017 8:16pm
    - Brigitte
      
      I prefer to read the Hansard later rather than inflict the live feed on myself.
      
      It seems like many of them write not just their primary question in advance but also their supplementary question(s) too. Might help if they listened to the reply to the first question before asking a supplementary (and tailoring the question in response to the answer given).
      
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      May 31, 2017 8:24pm
- Reid
  
  By the MSM not covering it of course.
  
  Propaganda 101.
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone recall all that outrage 4 days ago
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/05/hopkins_should_be_sacked.html?

That posting garnered 204 comments.

But today there is only a dozen or so comments about this image of a “comedian” holding up the bloody head of the POTUS.

http://www.wnd.com/files/2017/05/kathy-griffin-bloody-donald-trump-beheaded-tmz-600.png
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May 31, 2017 8:04pm
- Kea
  
  Trump haters are terrorist. Why are you surprised ?
  
  They have called for the killing of white people and carried out those threats. They have regular violent riots. They captured a little disabled kid and tortured him.
  
  They are a far bigger threat to us that Muslim radicals and we need to deal with that threat accordingly.
  
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  May 31, 2017 8:17pm
EAD

Following the theme of “sunlight is the best disinfectant”, I plan to do a detailed analysis of the power of the Jewish lobby via Jewish owned media with the aim of hoisting them by their own petard (by using Jewish media as sources, I can’t be called a ‘Nazi” which is the usual tactic for shutting down the debate)

This week has been one when “normies” have been able to witness the unbelievable amount of power and influence and the ridiculous double standards when it comes to Jewish influence and how they exercise that power.

The most well know example is that of Katie Hopkins, despite being a voice of sanity of the silent masses, being sacked after kvetching from the Jewish lobby for a word crime over a “crime” 85 years ago that in 20 countries any facet is not even allowed to be questioned.

Reading Israeli newspaper Haaretz this evening, I’ve also come across this less publicised example of a Fox TV presenter who tweeted an inconvenient truth – that the greatest mass murderers in history – the Bolsheviks, were overwhelmingly Jewish, which, you guessed it, is being labelled “Anti-Semitic” with the presenter being subjected nasty and vicious attacks and threats.

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.792825?v=065FEF6BCA34FFDAABCABABABB38F20B

The dam is now breaking – We are now at a stage where even normies are realising just who rules over them by seeing who they are not only not allowed to criticse, but now even mention in all but the most gushing terms.
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May 31, 2017 8:59pm
- Kea
  
  Haaretz are liberal lefties by the standards of Israel. You want to slap your goy eyes on the Times of Israel. If you want to see extreme check out the comments from the chosen ones on their facebook page !
  
  To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if they knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly.” – Libbre David 37.
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:07pm
- mikenmild
  
  What do you mean ‘I can’t be called a ‘Nazi”’? That’s how you have described yourself.
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:16pm
  - EAD
    
    Look!
    
    A Milkmaid slithered out from under his rock
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:20pm
    - mikenmild
      
      If you want to abandon your previous position in favour of national socialism, I’m sure we would all understand.
      
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      May 31, 2017 9:28pm
      - Kea
        
        milky If you want to abandon your previous position in favour of ~~national~~ global socialism, I’m sure we would all understand.
        
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        May 31, 2017 9:35pm
    - Kea
      
      EAD shhhhh the hordes of nazi/trolls will hear you ! 🙂
      
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      May 31, 2017 9:29pm
Kea

Having read KB for some time I feel qualified to identify the two biggest threats facing the world today.

1. Trolls
2. Nazi’s

I had always thought Trolls were imaginary creatures invented to entertain little children. However with this many reported sightings I am forced to conclude we are over run with millions of them.

I must also conclude that we have been lied to about the events of world war two and that the war rages on with the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei [National Socialist German Worker’s Party] stronger than ever. It appears, that they have now invaded Aotearoa and are rushing about (among the Troll hordes) committing atrocities such as; treating Jews like everyone else.

This is the only reasonable conclusion available based on the testimony of milky and stupidboy.
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May 31, 2017 9:01pm
- Jack5
  
  Perhaps prison psychologists are using trolling as an experiment to see that, by frenetic posting, psychopaths can work the angst out, and open their minds for empathy.
  
  Neither is working. The three boys from Stephiestan who are nearing release still thing empathy is a brand of camel food.
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:24pm
EAD

that they have now invaded Aotearoa and are rushing about (among the Troll hordes) committing atrocities such as; treating Jews like everyone else

One of the best passages I’ve ever read on GD.??
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May 31, 2017 9:17pm
Captain Mainwaring

That’s not a bad number of posts on KB for one day so far.
Now all we need is the late evening shift to come in and rabbit away with all manner of vile and pointless shit between now and about midnight and we’ll have an all-time record.
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May 31, 2017 9:17pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  We need our handler Johnboy to move all us sheeples onto greener pastures of 500 comments.
  
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  May 31, 2017 9:23pm
  - Kea
    
    How can you people joke around while hordes of trolls run through our fair land ?
    
    I did not realise Lord of the Rings was a doco 🙂
    
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    May 31, 2017 9:33pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @Kea
      
      Don’t go there!!!!!!
      http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Racism_in_Tolkien's_Works
      
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      May 31, 2017 9:41pm
      - Kea
        
        Oh Christ Maggy the nazi got to him too ?
        
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        May 31, 2017 9:43pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh Christ Maggy the nazi got to him too
        
        Difficult to say…
        Tolkein may have been referring to a more refined era of noble people and common folk than Hitler imagined.
        
        Still it would be good to have a Jewish, African and Asian perspective of Tolkein’s Orcs, Southrons, and Dwarves.
        
        Makes Mr Golly look pretty tame.
        
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        May 31, 2017 10:00pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Wasn’t he a white (albeit English, not Afrikaaner) South African?
        
        Put it this way – if he was Michael Woodhouse, that is enough evidence to convict! 😉
        
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        May 31, 2017 10:03pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        He was born in Bloemfontein, but only lived there for 2 years… taken back to England where his parents came from.
        http://www.sahistory.org.za/dated-event/jrr-tolkien-born-bloemfontein
        
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        May 31, 2017 10:19pm
Jack5

In the link below someone sees racism in Star Wars characters.

It’s ludicrous (and fit only for pushing General Debate towards 450 posts). Pirates are usually depicted as Englishmen, and Mafia members need to be Sicilian or southern Italian but most of us correctly see this as irrelevant.

I find it more interesting that Hans Solo is apparently an erratic pilot rather than the ace he depicted in Star Wars.

http://www.weirdworm.com/the-five-most-racist-star-wars-characters/

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/14/harrison-ford-nearly-flies-into-bigger-airplane/
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May 31, 2017 10:16pm
Inandout

Finished watching House of Cards and then came across Back Benchers. Shit, the audience is stacked with strange lefties, and then there were the Labour leaders Little and Adern standing in the back. I could see Jacindas teeth gleeming on my 55″ UHD TV from the far end of our spacious lounge. All the MPs on the bench thought Mouldies should have a say ($$$) in selling water to overseas buyers. Back to Netflix.
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May 31, 2017 10:17pm
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  Inandout, could it be true that Jacinda has had tiny LEDs inserted inside her teeth?
  
  If Kiwiblog’s crazed dentist, Dennis the Global Warming Menace, got his mind off the climate for a few minutes, he could tell us.
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:27pm
Jack5

When Global Warming mania abates, it might be time to ramp up fears about magnetic pole switch. Could the recent strong displays of Aurora australis be a sign?

One thing, though, Invercargill and Bluff will be at the top of the world, and Santa Claus could move the toy factories and the reindeer stud there.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/617587/Defenceless-Earth-200-YEARS-solar-radiation-blasts-magnetic-poles-shift
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May 31, 2017 10:37pm
- Jack5
  
  What will the Greens do about pole switch?
  
  Will they demand a reversal of + and – terminal indicators ( + to be negative and – to be positive)?
  
  Will they call for a world effort to pump the good conductor carbon in the atmosphere to provide a path between the fickle poles?
  
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  May 31, 2017 10:44pm
BeeSting

ALL TERRORISTS OUT

NOW
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May 31, 2017 11:12pm
Reid

OK so it’s up to me then.
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May 31, 2017 11:15pm
Reid

All righty.
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May 31, 2017 11:16pm
Reid

All righty then.
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May 31, 2017 11:16pm
Reid

So…
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May 31, 2017 11:19pm
Reid

Tolkein was a satanist, BTW. In reference to some above discussion.
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May 31, 2017 11:24pm
Jack5

As a matter of interest, Reid, I suppose you can’t be both an atheist and a satanist.

If you were an agnostic, you wouldn’t believe in Satan, but you wouldn’t rule him/her/them out, either.

Perhaps Kimbo, the resident theologian, can tell us whether Christians believe in Satan as well as in God, or if that’s heresy.

This Satanist web site claims Liberace, Marilyn Manson, Lady Gaga, and Jayne Mansfield were or are followers of the “Satanist Church”:

http://www.rebelcircus.com/blog/famous-people-didnt-know-satanists/14
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May 31, 2017 11:34pm
- Jack5
  
  A George Burns joke:
  
  God said: ‘Let there be Satan, so people don’t blame everything on me. And let there be lawyers, so people don’t blame everything on Satan.’
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:38pm
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  You heard of Anton Lavey?
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_LaVey
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:38pm
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    That link to Wikipedia was interesting, thanks Reid.
    
    I notice that is says one of the influences on Lavey was Ayn Rand. Crazy woman.
    
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    May 31, 2017 11:47pm
    - Reid
      
      Yeah I’ve never read Atlas Shrugged but it was recommended to me a decade or two ago.
      
      Bit before my time really.
      
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      May 31, 2017 11:57pm
- Reid
  
  If you’re a Christian Jack you have to (i.e. should) believe in the reality that Satan exists because if you believe in God then Satan is a part of that realm, but a lot of Christians don’t seem to be able to acknowledge his presence. Which I find quite peculiar.
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:43pm
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    The other extreme is the heresy of dualism – good and evil, God and the Devil are equals. The great and influential theologian Augustine at one stage followed a form of it known as Manicheaism, and the Zoroastrianism that originated in Persia, practised by the Parsees of India is a more recent example. Freddie Mercury of Queen came from a Parsee family. Oh yes, and Anton Levay was a money making shyster, no more interested in the Devil than Ozzy Osborne and Black Sabbath. However as horror movies were all the rage in the late 1960s it was a good business angle, and conservative Christians unwittingly gave them both lots of free publicity.
    
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    June 1, 2017 12:20am
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  Do you want to know why?
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:46pm
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    Yes, that might take us to 450 posts.
    
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    May 31, 2017 11:47pm
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  Is problematic, Jack5, but as the school bell rang and called you away in a display of faux outrage in the middle of that discussion you initiated just when it looked like your mendacity was going to be revealed, you don’t get to pick and choose when you call upon the resident theologian’s services. Call me picky but as the devil is presented in Scripture as the father of deceit, I pass on indulging him…in all his various forms. Like I said, I thought you were made of better stuff.
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:47pm
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    I didn’t know you were a Christian Kimbo it’d be good to discuss theology one day.
    
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    May 31, 2017 11:55pm
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    Kimbo, I suppose there is significance in your giving the D- a lower case d – “the devil”.
    
    As you are miffed, I will have to be satisfied with that.
    
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    May 31, 2017 11:56pm
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      Nope. Difference is in the meaning of the word belief. In English it includes the idea of mental assent to an idea, fact or concept. So “I believe Bill English is the PM”, or “the devil exists”. But in Biblical Hebrew, which also sets the parameters of meaning for the Greek of the New Testament, it means “to put your faith in/trust”. Which Scriptute commands us to to with God alone. Check out foolish King Ahaz in Isaiah chapter 7 as an example. As English has no verb for “faith” the clarity is lost. Now kindly don’t jerk me and others around with deceitful posts as you did today, there’s a good chap.
      
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      June 1, 2017 12:05am
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  I think it’s because many Christians want to focus on the good therefore thinking about the evil which is also part of this fallen world disturbs and distracts them from their focus.
  
  Personally I think this is a mistake since there is a lot of knowledge about God and His wisdom to be gained through observing the evil of Satan.
  
  But there we are.
  
  Are you still here Jack?
  
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  May 31, 2017 11:52pm
Reid

He was a member, along with C.S. Lewis, of an Oxford reading group known as “The Inklings.”

This is a bit like Ben Franklin, who was a member of the Hellfire Club.

Maybe I’ll cover that in more detail sometime this month.
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May 31, 2017 11:35pm
Reid

Well guys we’re almost there and we didn’t even need to spin any bollocks it’s been quality stuff 24/7/365 all day today, so there.
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May 31, 2017 11:54pm
Jack5

Well done folk. See you tomorrow.
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May 31, 2017 11:57pm
Manolo

Chelsea cops it:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4558362/Philippines-president-Duterte-hits-Chelsea-Clinton.html
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  What a king hit to poor, poor Chelseaflake.
  
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